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Episode 45 - Don't Let The Door Hit You

Special When Lit·podcast_episode·36m 35s·held·Apr 1, 2019
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TL;DR

Jason Fowler joins Special When Lit as new co-host; Black Knight: Sword of Rage details and collection philosophy discussed.

Summary

Special When Lit 45 announces Jason Fowler as the new co-host replacing Ken, who departed to host This Week in Pinball. The episode features detailed discussion of Stern's upcoming Black Knight: Sword of Rage (Steve Ritchie design with motorized flail, upper playfield, and original IP), a Drain It or Save It segment covering pinball etiquette, and extended discussion of collection management philosophy. The hosts emphasize excitement for non-licensed pinball themes and debate optimal collection sizes.

Key Claims

  • Ken departed from Special When Lit to host This Week in Pinball, replacing Zach Meny who obtained a distributorship

    high confidence · Jason Fowler explaining recent podcast personnel changes at episode start

  • Black Knight: Sword of Rage features a motorized Black Knight in the center of the playfield with a flail and shield

    high confidence · Host describing confirmed machine features based on official reveals

  • Black Knight: Sword of Rage Pro lacks an upper playfield, while Premium and LE versions have a clear Lexan upper playfield

    high confidence · Hosts discussing tier differences in machine specifications

  • Scott Ian (Anthrax guitarist) composed music for Black Knight: Sword of Rage and Ed Robertson (Bare Naked Ladies) does call-outs

    high confidence · Jason Fowler detailing confirmed game credits

  • Black Knight: Sword of Rage is Stern's first non-licensed IP in a long time

    high confidence · Bill Webb discussing significance of original theme selection

  • Tim Sexton did the programming on Black Knight: Sword of Rage

    high confidence · Jason Fowler crediting programmer

  • Jason Fowler formerly hosted Slap Safe Pinball Podcast with Chris Hyper based in St. Louis, Missouri

    high confidence · Jason introducing himself and his prior podcast role

  • Zach Meny may work with Chris Hyper at Slap Safe Pinball when schedule allows after obtaining a distributorship

    medium confidence · Jason Fowler speculating on future podcast collaborations

  • Hosts believe optimal personal pinball collection size is between 2-6 machines, with 6 being the threshold where machines aren't played enough to justify ownership

    high confidence · Jason Fowler and Bill Webb discussing collection management philosophy

Notable Quotes

  • “I'm a fan of non-licensed IPs, non-licensed pins. I think if you look in the history of pinball, some of the titles that kind of stand head and shoulders above are the Black Knight, the Getaways, the High Speed, the Medieval Madness, the Attack from Mars.”

    Bill Webb @ mid-episode — Articulates the hosts' philosophy that unlicensed original themes produce better games historically and should be encouraged

  • “This is Stern's first game in a long time that's not an intellectual property, so I'm really curious to see what happens as far as sales go.”

    Bill Webb @ mid-episode — Highlights strategic importance of Black Knight: Sword of Rage as potential market signal for non-licensed games

  • “Steve Ritchie has such a way of making a game flow that it's almost hard to hate it, even if you don't like the theme or you might not like the premise of the game.”

    Jason Fowler @ mid-episode — Expresses confidence in designer's proven track record and design philosophy

  • “I think a license, while it can draw in people that maybe aren't hardcore pinball players, I think sometimes a game can be good or even better on its own accord when it's not limited by those restrictions that come with licensing.”

    Bill Webb @ mid-episode — Critiques how licensing constraints can handcuff creative design decisions

  • “I think the maximum amount that serves the owner is probably between two and six. I think six is where you start anything above that, you start not being able to play titles as much as maybe you should.”

    Jason Fowler @ collection discussion segment — Establishes philosophy that collection size should match play frequency to justify ownership

  • “I don't stay with a girl because you don't want anybody else to have her. Stay with her because you want her.”

    Bill Webb @ late-episode — Uses personal anecdote to illustrate problematic collecting psychology he recognizes in himself

  • “blank canvas is a great way to put it”

    Bill Webb — Endorses Jason's framing that non-licensed games offer complete creative freedom

Entities

Jason FowlerpersonBill WebbpersonKenpersonZach Menyperson[name withheld pending review]personSteve RitchiepersonTim SextonpersonScott Ianperson

Signals

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Ken departed from Special When Lit as co-host to become host of This Week in Pinball; Jason Fowler replaces him. This represents a shift in the pinball podcast ecosystem with hosts moving between shows.

    high · Jason Fowler introduction: 'Ken has departed to bigger and better things' and explanation of Ken moving to This Week in Pinball to replace Zach Meny

  • ?

    content_signal: Multiple podcast transitions and potential consolidations: Zach Meny obtained distributorship and left This Week in Pinball; Ken moved from Special When Lit to This Week in Pinball; Slap Safe Pinball Podcast may continue with Zach working when schedule allows; suggests podcast ecosystem volatility.

    high · Jason Fowler's explanation of podcast transitions and his mention of Slap Safe Pinball continuing 'when his schedule allows'

  • ?

    product_launch: Black Knight: Sword of Rage confirmed as upcoming Stern machine with detailed specifications now publicly discussed; hosts have seen promotional materials and can discuss features with confidence.

    high · Detailed technical discussion of machine features including motorized flail, Lexan upper playfield, MagnaSave mechanics, drop targets, music credit (Scott Ian), call-outs credit (Ed Robertson)

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts express strong preference for and belief in non-licensed original IP pinball games; argue historical classics (Black Knight, Getaway, High Speed, Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars) prove unlicensed games can be superior; position Black Knight: Sword of Rage as potential market signal for Stern to invest more in non-licensed games.

    high · Bill Webb: 'I'm a fan of non-licensed IPs... some of the titles that stand head and shoulders above are the Black Knights, the Getaways, the High Speeds, the Medieval Madness, the Attack from Mars' and extended discussion of licensing as creative constraint

Transcript

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The special When Lit Pinball Podcast starts now. I can see clearly now the rain is gone. Good afternoon Pinball Land. How is everybody doing? This week in Special When Lit we have our new co-host as Ken has departed to bigger and better things. And I would like to introduce to you our new co-host of the show. Jason Fowler
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It really worked out. Yeah, it has. I think you and I have always kind of clicked. We've always gotten along great. I was really thankful that you reached out to me when all this happened a couple days ago. I guess maybe I'll introduce myself and kind of explain what I know that's happened and feel free to kind of give your two cents whenever you have something that I don't know more about or whatever. My name is Jason Fowler. I am formerly the host of the Slap Safe Pinball Podcast. We are based in St. Louis, Missouri. My co-host was Chris Haper. I guess everybody knows Zach Meny and basically Zach got a distributorship and that's where things started kind of going a different way for him. Zach, who runs the This Week in Pinball Podcast and worked with Jeff Patterson, they decided I know Zach had a lot of stuff on his plate, and I think Jeff had maybe a little different idea of how much time was going to be spent on the podcast. So Jeff reached out to Ken, who used to be Bill's partner here and asked him to do the This Week in Pinball Podcast. And I think Dennis is also sliding over to help him out. Is that correct? Yeah, that is. The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WILLY WANKA. I agree and and I don't want to start slinging mud I have a ton of respect for Ken I'm sorry to see him go and I'm honored really to take over his position I I have big shoes to fill but I will say this I Chris as my former co-host Chris has a very strong personality and I think I do too and Chris and I were having some trouble getting along I think that might have popped up a couple times in episodes that some of the listeners maybe could hear All of these are great podcasts that are going to be available to you, and I think we decided that it's just better to move on in separate directions. And from what I understand, Zach might possibly work with Chris at Slapsave when his schedule allows, sort of as a whenever he can get to it type thing. So, the only thing I'm not real sure about is Tony at Eclectic Gamers Podcast. Have you heard what's going to happen with him? What is he doing? I don't, but you know what, in all honesty, I hate to say this, but I don't mind throwing a little bit of mud here and there and seeing what sticks on the wall. I almost think that this was Ken's plan all along to make the transition from Special Inlet to This Week in Pinball. I'm happy for Jeff that, you know, that worked out for him. And more importantly, I'm happy for you and I that we actually get to do this on a regular basis together because you and I can have two-hour conversations and typically it's Hope For Life, she's your host, Jay Polis, Chris Doug, and like everybodyyo know I'm outежit 2022 Yeah, and you know what? I mean, you and Chris did have some interesting moments on your podcast. So it wasn't too far-fetched to see everything kind of play out the way that it has. I will say that I'm excited about editing this podcast because I actually have a blister on my right pointer finger from hitting the bleep button on our podcast because we try to keep it somewhat family-friendly. I'd say more PG-13. The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH. I have to say thank you for not even batting an eyelash saying I'd love to make the transition and try and have a different format than what I'm usually doing right now on your show. The stars just aligned. It was perfect. Absolutely. Yep. So let's start talking some pinball. Let's act like I guess we're going to continue this as we are. And Black Knight, Sword of Rage, have you got a chance to see anything about that? I did. I was, you know, I wasn't really sure knowing going into this that this was probably going to be Stern's next title, what to expect. You know, you think of like Black Knight and Black Knight 2000 with the artwork on the play field and the iconic sounds and everything. How can you really take something like that and bring it current? So when I did see it, it really did look a lot better than I had anticipated because I was just kind of unsure. I'm a fan of the playfields. I was pleasantly surprised with the playfields and the artwork. What were your thoughts on that? Maybe we should give some background on it. It's a Steve Ritchie design, for those of you that haven't seen much about it. All of the games in the series are going to be a pro, a premium and an LE. All the games are going to have a black knight in the center of the playfield that has a motorized flail and a shield. There is drop targets, which is a good thing because it's not always given nowadays. There is going to be a MagnaSave on the right side, controlled by the button on the lock down bar, so that's going to be like the old school one. It's a... Except the... Yeah. Except the... On the older ones, the flipper was on the right hand side. Oh, the button for the MagnaSave. Yeah. That's one thing I wish would come back, but we'll get to maybe what we don't agree with here in a minute. Yep. It features music from Scott Ian. He's a guitarist from Anthrax and I believe Ed Robertson from Bare Naked Ladies is doing the call outs. The differences between the Premium LE and the Pro, the Pro is actually not going to have an upper play field and the Premium LE has a clear one. So that being said, what are you most excited about with what you've seen so far? So in all honesty, I'm really excited to see that upper play field. I think that was a great idea to make it out of Lexan so you can see the bottom of it so you're not burning up a third of your playfield on your upper playfield. So I really like that and I thought that was creative. I do like the MagnaSave. I'm curious to see how well it works and functions. The shield on the Black Knight I think is a cool feature. It kind of reminds me, not in a literal sense, but it's reminding to me of like a Medieval The Flail looks pretty cool.

  • Bill Webb currently has 9 machines in basement plus 20 additional machines in use in his game area

    high confidence · Bill Webb disclosing his current collection size during collection discussion segment

    • @ mid-episode

  • “I am super excited. And I think you and I have always kind of clicked. I've always gotten along great.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ episode opening — Establishes rapport between new co-hosts and positive transition tone

  • “I do this for enjoyment. I do it for fun. For me to only see one tenth of a game, because maybe my talent level isn't where it's supposed to be, I don't think that that is what the designer is going for.”

    Jason Fowler @ Drain It or Save It segment — Defends adjusting lane posts to increase playability for casual players rather than competitive defaults

  • “I've actually come to figuring out the best way to move a pinball machine while the wife is at work just so she doesn't realize what's going on because literally, you know, it seemed like every couple months we're wheeling in a new machine through the kitchen.”

    Jason Fowler @ late-episode — Humorous admission revealing compulsive collecting behavior and spousal management strategies

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    market_signal: Black Knight: Sword of Rage positions itself as test case for Stern's strategy on non-licensed IPs; hosts explicitly state this is 'Stern's first game in a long time that's not an intellectual property' and indicate they're monitoring sales performance as signal for future games.

    high · Bill Webb: 'This is Stern's first game in a long time that's not an intellectual property, so I'm really curious to see what happens as far as sales go... if this takes off, I could see them redoing other themes'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Hosts debate and establish philosophy that 2-6 machines is optimal collection size; both acknowledge owning collections beyond this (9-29 machines); recognize tension between desire to own and financial/space constraints; this reflects broader collector community discussion about sustainable collection management.

    high · Jason: 'maximum amount that serves the owner is probably between two and six'; Bill: 'nine in the basement... it almost gets a little much'; extended discussion of space and financial trade-offs

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts openly discuss compulsive collecting behaviors including machines purchased for FOMO rather than play frequency; Bill admits he doesn't play Gorgar enough to justify ownership but keeps it; Jason sneaks machines in while wife is at work. Suggests awareness of problematic collection dynamics within community.

    high · Bill: 'I don't want the machine as much as I don't want to not have it... I may not be playing that Gorgar enough to justify its existence, but I just don't want to lose it'; Jason: 'come to figuring out the best way to move a pinball machine while the wife is at work'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Hosts express high confidence in Steve Ritchie's design quality on Black Knight: Sword of Rage based on his historical track record; Jason notes 'Steve Ritchie has such a way of making a game flow that it's almost hard to hate it, even if you don't like the theme'; this reflects designer reputation as reliable quality signal.

    high · Jason: 'Steve Ritchie has such a way of making a game flow that it's almost hard to hate it... I don't see how it's not a great game'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Black Knight: Sword of Rage introduces motorized flail and shield on central Black Knight playfield figure; hosts note as cool/interesting feature; clear Lexan upper playfield described as creative solution to avoid 'burning up a third of your playfield on your upper playfield'.

    high · Jason: 'I'm really excited to see that upper play field... you can see the bottom of it so you're not burning up a third of your playfield'; discussion of motorized flail and shield as notable features

  • ?

    industry_signal: Hosts discuss how licensing agreements constrain creative design freedom; example given: Pirates of the Caribbean couldn't use Johnny Depp image. This reflects broader industry tension between IP appeal and creative limitations.

    high · Bill: 'you know, like pirates, they couldn't use Johnny Depp and whatever. So, you know, as much as I like the non-licensed themes, I really think that it adds even more to it because then it's every single aspect of the game... Everything is just a blank canvas'

  • ?

    content_signal: Special When Lit transitioning co-hosts while maintaining format; hosts announce plans for YouTube channel featuring collector machine restoration project and new merchandise strategy to replace previous Ken-era t-shirts; represents content expansion and format evolution.

    medium · Plans to feature machine restoration on YouTube channel; mention of new t-shirt strategy with more attention-grabbing designs to replace Ken-era merchandise

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jason Fowler and Chris Hyper (Slap Safe Pinball co-hosts) had on-air personality conflicts contributing to their podcast transition; Jason acknowledges 'Chris and I were having some trouble getting along' and notes listeners 'maybe could hear' tensions in episodes.

    high · Jason: 'Chris has a very strong personality and I think I do too and Chris and I were having some trouble getting along I think that might have popped up a couple times in episodes'

    • 8:36
    You know, really, I think now it's just, you know, kind of jumping in and actually getting a chance to play this thing. So, you know, one thing I do, you know, I'm curious to see is I would love to take that feather out of the guy's skull cap or whatever, the hood. It's pretty big, isn't it? Yeah, dude, I would love to get him like a pimp hat that he could wear. Ooh, I like it. You know, that would be a cool mod, just because, you know, it'd be tasteless and, you know, doesn't really fit the pinball thing, but I think that would be cool. I don't know your thoughts on it, but... Tasteless and mods usually go together hand right Absolutely Absolutely Yeah yeah And Tim just for reference Tim Sexton did the programming on this game too So it be very interesting to see how this one came out Yeah Some fresh blood right Yeah Well that what you need to keep it all fresh What are your takes on the game itself So Black Knight the original one I 43 years old So that gives you kind of a time reference But Black Knight was one of the games that I remember Rapid Simon T sack' I'm really excited about the art. I love the art on it, how it's kind of a touch of old school. I love the music that I've heard in the trailers. I love the fact that it has that upper playfield that's very reminiscent of the first two designs without maybe being a copycat. And the shots look good. Unless I play it and something just doesn't add up after I do, I'm in. Steve Ritchie has such a way of making a game flow that it's almost hard to hate it, even if you don't like the theme or you might not like the premise of the game. But just with how his machines flow real well, I don't see how it's not a great game. I know a couple months ago we played Black Knight 2000 for the first time, and that was just a real fun game. I mean, it's not deep by today's standards, you know, the Black Knight 2000, not the Sword of Rage that's coming out. The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WILLY WANKA. www.mYou inconsistent Nakosa Dialogues www.n BereichPinballKernstein.com &Brese estrg Funá This is Stern's first game in a long time that's not an intellectual property, so I'm really curious to see what happens as far as sales go. Not that we'll ever be able to tell, but if this takes off, I could see them redoing other themes. And if there was a game that I would love to see Steve Ritchie redo again, it would be Getaway. But we can hope and pray on that one. I agree. So I may give a little bit of a different take here of why I'm rooting for this game. I'm a fan of non-licensed IPs, non-licensed pins. I think if you look in the history of pinball, some of the titles that kind of stand head and shoulders above are the Black Knights, the Getaways, the High Speeds, the Medieval Madness, the Attack from Mars. There's a theme there of games that used to be really good without needing the leverage of a license. I think a license, while it can draw in people that maybe aren't hardcore pinball players, I think sometimes a game can be good or even better on its own accord when it's not limited by those restrictions that come with licensing. And I really hope that Black Knight does well, because if it does, it will set a precedent for Stern to maybe consider more titles in the future that aren't licensed and realize that they I'm seeing how this game can be a sales hit and you mentioned one of my favorites would be high speed if they did a high speed 3 I think that kind of it's depending on what happens with this title and I hope it does well for that reason Absolutely, yeah. You think about, you know, with licensing and how handcuffed some of these guys are creatively as far as the game goes, let alone art. And then, you know, and then animations and stuff like that and what stuff you have, you know, what property you have rights to use and what stuff is off the table. You know, like pirates, they couldn't use Johnny Depp and whatever. So, you know, as much as I like the non-licensed themes, I really think that it adds even more to it because then it's, you know, every single aspect of the game creates, you know, the creativity on the playfield to the artwork to the animations on the display. Everything is just a blank canvas that you can do whatever you want and it's really refreshing to see what their intake is now versus 30 years ago when Steve did this game. I agree. Yeah, blank canvas is a great way to put it. Yep. So you want to do some drain it or save it? We shall do some drain it or save it. It's time for this week's edition of Drain It or Save It. Drain It or Save It is brought to you by our friends at learmods.com. Visit learmods.com for custom quality mods and play field lighting for your pinball machine. That's L-E-R-M-O-D-S. LearMods.com today. And a special shout out to Rob and Kim, great seeing you in Texas and hope you guys are doing well after Texas. Alright Bill, so starting with the first category or first question, restarting a game early after a bad ball or house ball, what do you think? Is that something that you find yourself doing? Drain it or save it? Which one? I have to drain that just because you never get better by draining the by dropping the first you know the game after a first ball you know it doesn't write you to actually persevere and still try and make the game into something and some of the best games I've ever had are on ball two and three how long ago was it that you that you restarted one you know what's it been like two years with Adams family because I love had a goal of making it through the entire house on This is a production of WGBH. How about you? You're draining it. So I'm gonna drain it, but I have a little bit of a confession. So my resolution at the beginning of this year was to stop doing this. And I guess my, I'm, I get frustrated, right? That first ball comes down and I'll tell you the one that I'm most guilty of, and probably the one I can thank for solving me of this is TNA, right? So total nuclear annihilation, when that ball starts in that lower area down there and you've got your flippers amped up and standard power it can find the dream really quick and I found myself like wanting to restart but the problem is the restart in TNA and anybody that owns it will know is super slow it takes forever for it to reset and finally after that resolution I was like you know what some of my biggest ball blow ups have been are my biggest That did not sound right. Some of my biggest blow-ups in a game took place after a bad first ball. And since stopping doing that, I've had a lot more success, so I will definitely drain it. But I'm also admitting that I am not perfect at doing that every time. If we were, we'd be playing competitively. Yes, yes, that's true. That's true. I have high expectations of myself and I think that's part of the problem. So, well, moving on to the second one. Waiting in line to play pinball at a show. Drain it or save it. What do you think? So this is a special one for you and I since we just literally went through this a week ago today. Well, you know, nine days or ten days from whenever you listen. I have to drain that. I'm not a big fan of waiting in line to play a machine. I cannot imagine that anybody would say they are. This is kind of a trick question because I always try to look at both sides of things so I'm looking at it like there is pros to waiting in line but I still have to dream it. You can watch people mess up and see what not to do but I would rather learn that myself I will definitely dream it but I will tell you this even at Texas when I was waiting in those lines and I would get frustrated some of the best conversations and some of the coolest people I met randomly happened while I was waiting in line to play a machine And I think that one thing that happens that you get some social interaction that you wouldn otherwise Makes sense. Makes complete sense. Yep. All right. We'll move, moving on to the third one. Moving out lane posts to make a game easier. Drain it or save it. What do you think? I'm not a professional player. So honestly, mine are moved down to keep the game play a little longer. Yeah, I appreciate your honesty. I think I, that's perfectly acceptable. And what about you? So I do it based on the game. I always look at them when I get like a game, you know, and especially new in box games So you know that the factory is sending the game as the designer wants it to play. So I try to maintain that, but I am going to save it because I have been known to do it. If there is a game that I feel like maybe isn't playing as long as it should or I'm not getting deep enough in the game and yeah, I'm not the world's best pinball player. I'm not a super talented competitive player. I do this for enjoyment. I do it for fun. For me to only see one tenth of a game, because maybe my talent level isn't where it's supposed to be, I don't think that that is what the designer is going for. I think those things are adjustable for a reason. It's not some major faux pas that's, you know, you should have a scarlet letter on you because you moved posts. Yeah, it's not a liver or kidney, who cares? Right, right. I mean, it's meant to be, it's meant to have fun, and if that's how you enjoy it, that's how you enjoy it. Absolutely. Alright, so a recap on our drain it or save it here. So I think we both drained the restarting a game, even though we've had some prior experiences where we didn't do that. Waiting in line, we both drained it, but you know, there are some pros, but generally we frown upon that and drain that. And the final is moving out lane posts and we both saved that to enhance gameplay. We agreed on everything, didn't we? We did. We're all in this together, we're all in this together, we're all in this together. and i and we were we are doing this because you have a uh... a of fairly large collection i have a decent size collection and uh... you know we we know some other people that have uh... larger collections that run into problems so what's your idea of a good sized collection so i am uh... i'm gonna I think the maximum amount that serves the owner is probably between two and six. I think six is where you start anything above that, you start not being able to play titles as much as maybe you should to justify their existence, to justify what they cost and to justify the space they take up. How about you? You know what, honestly, I'm at, let me think here, I got nine in the basement now, and it almost gets a little much. You know what, I figure you throw in two dream themes or, you know, grill pins that aren't leaving, bolted to the ground, and then figure two more just visiting sections, I'd say between four and seven, you know, just depending. I think that's fair. How many do you have now? What did you say? Well, there's nine in the basement. You know, a couple aren't mine, though. But, you know, I'm fostering some and then, you know, I got a game out that's being fostered. So, and those are, you know, the one that's being fostered right now is a Terminator 2 and it's just, I've done everything you can, but I'm not getting rid of it. So, right, right.
    22:41
    Well, I have 20 that are in use that are in my game area. I have a Trident that I actually received from a guy up northeast STI, which is my last shipping experience. The back box was a parallelogram when I got it off the pallet. It was completely trashed, so I'm still working on getting that back to where it should be. The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH. All of this is on our website at www.infinityincon.com. Thanks for watching. And I'll see you next time. Bye! The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH. Yeah, that's, uh, we need to let that lie. I'm telling you, man, that's getting legs. You know what? All right, so anyone that's listening that hasn't listened to that last episode that Chris and Jason will ever do, you need to go back and listen to that, their final episode. I would listen to it, but I would get sentimental because I was comfortable at my own digs back there. I appreciate the new opportunity, but I don't want to get sentimental. Hey, we're pushing boundaries though, right? Yeah, as far as, you know, this space consideration thing, you know, everybody has a vice. What is the saying? Never trust a man without a vice. Well, I have two. One is scotch and the other is pinball. And I figure in the realm of addictions, in the realm of things that you have too many of, pinball is pretty mild. Yeah, you know what, I mean, between money and space, it's always a toss up on, you know, John Popadiuk, Automated Amusements, Jerry Klyce, Zach Meny, Wally Williams, I have to figure out, A, if I have the space. Usually I'm trying to unload something and it's not for monetary reasons as much as it is just simply space. And, yeah, you know, I've got to make sure now I'm at the point where I have to make sure that I really, really like the game because it's taken up precious space and it's taking up precious funds for pinball, you know, and what about you? What about you? Honestly, it's a big, I agree with you. I think it's more of a space issue than anything else. You know, I mean, obviously it's always a money issue too. Well, you know, I always get nervous about having too much money into something that I'm not sure about. So I have to love the game in order to justify spending the money. So yeah, I mean, that's kind of where I'm at with it. And then, you know, I mean, at what point do you say, hey man, maybe I have a problem? Right. I there The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH I don't want the machine as much as I don't want to not have it. It's hard to describe. I remember my dad used to say when I was younger and I was dating when I first started out, he was like, don't stay with a girl because you don't want anybody else to have her. Stay with her because you want her. And I was like, that's great advice because I kind of find myself doing that with pinball. I may not be playing that Gorgar enough to justify its existence, but I just don't want to lose it, and that doesn't make sense. So I know I have a problem. I know. With pinball, though, I mean, here, like, I have Baywatch. Now, it's not the greatest game, you know, on pin side or whatever else, but I really like it. And it does need a vault. I think it would be awesome as a vault. And I'd be in on one. So, you know, Stern, pay attention. The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH. We're sickin'! Your wife, awesome lady, love her to death. Thank you. She seems so patient that I'm sure you could get away with the murder of doing all this. So, that's also another problem. You know me all too well, and you know Cindy all too well. She is tolerant of all bullshit that I do, and maybe to a fault. And she is very supportive of anything I do, including pinball and this podcast, I'm a fan of your podcast and the podcast I did before this one and I'm lucky. I really am and that's part of the problem is I know I don't have that person barking at me like a lot of people do to stop, you know. Oh yeah, honestly it's not that way at my house. I've actually come to figuring out the best way to move a pinball machine while the wife is at work just so she doesn't realize what's going on because literally, you know, it seemed like every couple months we're wheeling in a new machine through the kitchen and she'd be like, really? Another one? John Popadiuk, Automated Amusements, Jerry Klyce, Zach Meny, multiball, backglass, Dennis Kriesel, Danny Klyce, Jerry Klyce, Zach Meny, You know, just all these creative things that, you know, she likes to do to slow me down from pinball. So you are very fortunate. Do you notice that once you get to a certain number of machines, that if you can somehow get them in your basement, that your significant other doesn't notice that it's a different machine? Because I'm there. I can get a new machine as long as I get it moved in when she's not home. She doesn't even realize it. Yes, yes, that is absolutely true. The only difference is, is she doesn't notice anything other than the Jersey Jack stuff. You know, like she saw Wizard of Oz and she knew, you know. Yeah, it's a little flashier, right? Yeah. Right, yeah. Other than that, we've moved T2 out and she didn't even realize that it was gone.
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    You know, I forgot what we even replaced it with. Yeah. You know, Fishtails left and I got, you know, something, World, well, she kind of noticed, why she didn't notice one was missing? Because something else came in at this place. But I still had World 1 in the garage. So, yeah, she kind of notices, but not really. I could be like, oh, no, that's been there. That was in the pinball repair room, you know, for the last six months. She's none the wiser, which is fine. But, you know, it's worth it because whenever I do something, she gets something out of it normally. So it's, you know, making a deal with the devil every time you get a new machine, it seems like. Sure, sure. Well, to segue into the next, I guess, segment, I would like to just take this opportunity to say I'm super excited The Out Pinball Podcast is brought to you by the Out Pinball Podcast Network. All these other projects because the wife had time to figure out, oh, I'd like shelves here and whatever. Between doing that kind of stuff, I was actually able to work on all the habit trails, getting them sanded and polished, ordered the new ramps for the machine, started diagnosing some of the little gremlins that are going on with it. And I'm hoping this weekend, providing nothing crazy happens, I'll be able to start populating the playfield with plastics and posts. The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH. I'm four and a half hours south of you, thereabouts, right? But once you get that sucker done, I'm going to come up and we're going to do a podcast right in front of that. We're going to take some video of the machine and we're going to put it up on a YouTube channel that if we don't have one, we're going to start. And we're going to, we're going to feature it like it deserves to be featured because I know a lot of folks that listen and follow the podcast are super excited about it and me included. The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH. The way this thing in the I am looking forward to it. Well, and don't forget to mention that we're going to have, you know, Ken and I since we've since parted ways, we're going to cease the t-shirt sales and you and I are going to come up with the t-shirt and this is something I wanted to do for a long time is the do you have a pinball
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    Because I think you need something like that to kind of spark sales a little bit. You need like a middle finger or just a mooning or something like that that will just kind of grab people's attention and make it a little bit shocking to where people are compelled to buy it. That's my opinion. I hope you feel the same. Absolutely. And talk about it because, you know, it's not that we want, you know, bad press, but any press is still good press. I love bad press. I think it's great press. Yeah, it works for a lot of other podcasts. So I don't see why not. Well, you know what, here's the way that I kind of equate this. You've seen the movie Batman the Dark Knight? Absolutely. All right, everyone is always going to love Batman, right? Sure. But who doesn't love Heath Ledger just a little more in that movie? Oh, yeah. He's, well, it's like the anti-hero. It's like the guy that you're rooting for that's completely evil. And I hope to live up to those standards at some point. I think we're already there, man. I think we're already there. Yes. All right. So, and on that note, we also want to conclude with thank you to our sponsor, Lear Mods. Don't forget to use your coupon code SWL10 at checkout for 10% off and make sure you do that. Make sure you polish and shine your balls to the best of your ability. Keep those nice and clean and... And for Jason Fowler, I am Bill Webb. Everybody have a good morning, good afternoon, good evening and take some time out of your day to play some pinball. See you.
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