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#104 Allentown Pinfest 2023 - The Classic Pinball Podcast

The Classic Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·2h 21m·analyzed·May 25, 2023
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TL;DR

Dave reports from Allentown Pinfest 2023 with game impressions and Pascal board repair details.

Summary

George and Dave discuss their experiences at Allentown Pinfest 2023. Dave attended the event, bringing a restored Pinball Pool for tournament play and conducting extensive pre-show repairs to fix a tilt sensitivity issue on the Pascal board. The show experienced high attendance with lines forming early Friday morning. Dave played several new games including Pulp Fiction (which generated long wait times), Godfather, and Foo Fighters, and observed gameplay on others like Scooby-Doo and Galactic Tank Force. George shares personal news about relocating to Virginia and discusses broader industry observations about single-level game revivals.

Key Claims

  • Pinball Pool required 20 hours of repair work in 2 days before the tournament due to tilt sensitivity issues on the Pascal board

    high confidence · Dave describing his pre-show repair sprint for the Pinball Pool machine

  • The Pascal board's tilt handling differs from original System 1 boards, requiring a Schottky diode and capacitor modification to function properly in tournament settings

    high confidence · Dave explaining the technical solution to tilt sensitivity based on Pinside research and engineering community (Quench) suggestions

  • Allentown Pinfest opened early on Friday (around 11am instead of noon) due to large crowds gathering outside the venue

    high confidence · Dave describing the floodgates opening with lines around the building

  • Pulp Fiction had 10+ minute wait lines at Allentown, consistent with reports from Texas Pinball Festival where someone reportedly played for 40 minutes

    high confidence · Dave's observation and comparison to Jeff Teolis's account from Texas Pinball Festival

  • No more Rush pinball machines will be made after current inventory exhausts

    medium confidence · Ray Davidson telling Dave at the show; Dave had previously sold his Rush unit

  • Godzilla is currently one of the best-selling Stern games

    medium confidence · George's assessment based on market observation

  • Keith Elwin designed a single-level pinball game priced at $18,000, distinct from his recent modern multi-level designs

    medium confidence · George referencing a previous podcast episode with Keith Elwin; described as 'super money' and shown at Pinball Fest

  • George finished dead last (25 players) in a Foo Fighters tournament at Mustang Sally's brewery in Virginia, competing against multiple top-500 ranked players

    high confidence · George's personal account of playing in Virginia before moving

Notable Quotes

  • “I brought Pinball Pool, but before I was getting it all tested out because Levi said, you know, be sure he's telling everybody, he said 18 games being brought, be sure to test them all ahead of time, don't do it the day of the show, make sure it's good to go, make sure your tilts work, set your settings this kind of way.”

    Dave @ early in content — Explains the preparation standards for Allentown Pinfest tournament and why Dave's repair work was necessary

  • “The only thing that was not working fine was the tilt. The tilt, you could dance with the game. You could, like, bang it around and hear the tilt bulb go ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding and finally with tilts. Like, that's not going to work for a tournament.”

    Dave @ mid-content — Details the specific tilt malfunction that triggered emergency repairs

  • “They're ramping up big time. Ramp mania. They were saying, you know, I really like the modern games with all the ramps and all that kind of stuff and lights and all these things. I said, you know what? I really like this game. I don't know why. It's something different. I really like the feel.”

    Dave @ late-content discussing Pulp Fiction players — Indicates emerging market interest in single-level games from traditional ramp-game players

  • “They threw me on the floor and used my head as a mop. You're way out of your element, Johnny.”

    George @ Foo Fighters tournament story — Humorously describes competitive disadvantage against experienced players at Virginia tournament

  • “It's combination luck. Left, right, this, this, this. The one game, I don't remember which one it was. The skill shot was worth 50 million points. And they got it all the time.”

    George @ late-content — Illustrates skill gap between experienced modern game players and casual players

  • “The Keith version of that, the $18,000 game, that plays, like I heard, like a classic Stern, and this Pulp Fiction plays like a classic Bally.”

    Dave @ mid-content discussing Keith Elwin's design — Compares design philosophy between expensive limited edition and new production single-level game

Entities

DavepersonGeorgepersonEric StonepersonRay DavidsonpersonLevipersonQuenchpersonJeff Teolisperson

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: Allentown Pinfest 2023 experienced unexpectedly large crowd on Friday, forcing early opening (11am vs noon) with lines around building

    high · Dave's firsthand account of line formation and vendor unpreparedness; early opening announcement by organizers

  • ?

    product_concern: Pascal board retrofits for System 1 games exhibit tilt sensitivity issues in tournament settings, requiring capacitor and diode modifications

    high · Dave's extensive troubleshooting revealing MPU scan timing issue; Pinside community reports of similar problems; successful Quench solution implementation

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Players accustomed to modern multi-level ramp games are expressing interest in single-level classic-style machines like Pulp Fiction for their mechanical simplicity and feel

    medium · Dave's interviews with players in line at Allentown; players self-reporting preference shift despite modern game background

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    market_signal: Pulp Fiction generating significant wait lines comparable to major festival releases; demand outpacing supply

    high · 10+ minute lines at Allentown; comparison to 40-minute wait at Texas Pinball Festival; universal identification as best new game

  • ?

    product_strategy: Rush pinball machine production ending after current inventory sold; no future production planned

    medium · Ray Davidson statement to Dave at Allentown; specific language 'no more,' 'zero,' 'zip'

Transcript

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0:00
🎵 Hello and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George, and I'm joined by Dr. Dave. Hello, Dave. Hello, George. Folks, Dave's just gotten back from Allentown, and you're going to hear an interview Dave did with Eric Stone in a little bit. But at the beginning of that episode, I'm going to point this out, Dave, right away. It sounded like something happened in my life. And I know you were stepping gingerly saying, I don't know if George wants me talking about this or not. So you kind of held back. I did hold back, yes. Well, the cat's out of the bag, folks. I'm moving. You heard me talk relentlessly about breweries and pinball in Virginia. And I have a story about that that Dave's already heard. Oh, boy. That was quite an event. George is buying a brewery in Virginia? No, I'm not, but I have brewer friends. All right. I have brewer friends. So that means you're going to have a nice, I don't know, brew pub with pinball machines. No, no. I'm going on a one-month hiatus. I have to again. It'll be deadly down there. Yeah. It's summertime in Virginia. It's going to probably be hot. You'll have such a good time it's going to kill you. So we've sold our house. We're moving to Virginia. If you're a realtor and you're in Virginia and you have a house to sell, look at the notes and you'll see our email, theclassicpinballpodcast1 at gmail.com. So I'm officially homeless. Or will be. Do you want to go to San Francisco? No. I'm not living in a tent. I'm not living on the street.
2:35
I'm not pushing a shopping cart. No, I'm not doing any of that. Under a bridge somewhere? No, I'm not getting a bucket with a toilet seat on it. No, I'm not getting any of those.
2:46
All right, so you can stay here, George. I've been offered by many, thank you, but no, I will not do that to anybody. You can stay under my pinball machine. We will, yeah, great, terrific. We'll talk about that in a bit anyway. So, Dave, enough of that. Let's talk about Allentown. I did not go because I was busy selling a house. You actually went, and I'm guessing the experience was close to what it's been in the past, but you did some different things. Yes, we did some different things. So we decided to bring a game this time around for the tournament.

  • “I would say, is one of the best-selling Sterns right now to date. Everybody wants that game. Don't be making that game forever.”

    George @ discussing Godzilla — Reflects on Godzilla's market dominance and production prospects

  • “You know what? It's kind of like Star Wars Episode I. If you're a Scooby fan, I get it. I'm not.”

    Dave @ Scooby-Doo critique — Criticizes shot visibility and design philosophy on newer release

    • Keith Elwin
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    Stephanie Traubperson
    Jose Chongperson
    Kevin Stoneperson
    Stephen Mayfairperson
    Martyperson
    Allentown Pinfestevent
    Texas Pinball Festivalevent
    Pinball Poolgame
    Pulp Fictiongame
    Scooby-Doogame
    Godfathergame
    Foo Fightersgame
    Galactic Tank Forcegame
    Rushgame
    Godzillagame
    Stern Pinballcompany
    American Pinballcompany
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    sentiment_shift: Community skepticism about Scooby-Doo design due to hidden shot visibility and fan layout, despite collector anticipation

    medium · Dave's personal observation and critique; comparison to Star Wars Episode I visibility problems; lack of player interest in lines

  • ?

    design_innovation: Community engineers (Quench) developing post-manufacture modifications to improve Pascal board tilt detection using Schottky diode and capacitor values

    high · Dave's detailed technical explanation of solution based on Pinside engineering community research; successful implementation

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Tournament organizers (Levi at Allentown) implementing strict pre-event testing protocols requiring 18 games to be tested before show day

    high · Levi's explicit instructions to Dave; rationale to prevent on-site failures

  • ?

    venue_signal: Foo Fighters machine at Mustang Sally's (Virginia) had center target bank and pop bumper malfunction, affecting tournament fairness

    high · George's account of hitting targets with no response; game playing 'nothing like' his own unit; TD acknowledgment of issue

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Modern pinball games feature complex skill shots and rule depth (50 million point skill shots) that create significant competitive advantage for experienced players

    medium · George's tournament loss; observation that competitive players know 'combination luck' sequences; skill shot mastery separating winners from casual players

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Keith Elwin designed expensive single-level machine ($18,000) shown at Pinball Fest, potentially signaling designer interest in classic-style games

    medium · George referencing previous Keith Elwin podcast interview; characterization as 'super money' game; comparison to Pulp Fiction design philosophy

  • ?

    community_signal: Tournament operator (Kevin Stone) at Mustang Sally's maintained Foo Fighters with modified/unresponsive targets, potentially affecting competitive integrity

    medium · George's complaint about center targets and pop bumper responsiveness; acknowledgment from both Dave and George of equipment-caused losses

    • 3:22
    And I wanted to bring a classic game, of course, because, you know, I'm a classic kind of guy. And so I brought a pinball pool, a nice restored pinball pool for it. But the last time I did this, maybe, I don't know, six, seven years ago, before Levy was running a tournament, someone else was running the tournament, and it was smaller. There you go. The Pinball Wizards Convention. Is that the one? 10th Annual? This was the old one. Yeah, it's the old one. No, I think it was still. I bought this t-shirt in the location it's in. Right. It was the old owner of the show. Yeah, it wasn't that. No, it wasn't. It was never called. Well, it was called that. I was there for that. Right. It was called the Pinball Wizards. Right. But I brought the game later than that. The game was probably brought 10 years ago, 2013, 15, something like that. And I brought a Joker poker, a System 1, and that was well-received. In fact, people wanted to buy it off me. So I told them what it was going to cost them, and they said, oh, I can get one of those for $500. I said, well, go ahead. You're not getting this one. I'm keeping this one. So I brought Pinball Pool. but before I was getting it all tested out because Levi said, you know, be sure he's telling everybody, he said 18 games being brought be sure to test them all ahead of time don't do it the day of the show, make sure it's good to go, make sure your tilts work set your settings this kind of way I'm laughing because I got the text basically OS the game is not looking right and is not operating properly before you left, so you went on a mad spree. Mad spree. 11th hour. Two days, 20 hours of getting the game in shape. Right. What were you thinking? Well, you weren't. Well, no, I was, well, I don't know. Good thing you checked. Well, yeah, of course. I definitely want to do a dry run, do, you know, do before we, you know, go live. So it was working fine. The only thing that was not working fine was the tilt. The tilt, you could dance with the game. You could, like, bang it around and hear the tilt bulb go ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding and finally with tilts. Like, that's not going to work for a tournament. And they don't want that. Did we talk about this before? I don't know if we did.
    5:28
    I'm not sure either because we have, I guess I've got to come clean here. We have a show in the can. No jokes. We have a show that has not been published yet. And I think we talked, did we talk about the tilt and the, maybe not, and the solid state that you have to go through to put that thing and make it work right?
    5:49
    I have a bad memory and so do you. So explain it. If you're hearing it again, tough. Yeah, let me talk about this. No, we can talk about this. Because this just came up recently. So I was doing some research. Because why doesn't this game tilt? I mean, if I hold the tilt bar by hand, it'll tilt. If I bang it around, it'll tilt. But it doesn't, like a Bally or Stern or any other game, it tilts right away like it's supposed to. So it's very sensitive. This game was not sensitive. Did some research on it. I found out through a lot of people having a problem with the knee-wump board, which is also like a Pascal board. It's an upgraded board in your System 1 games you can use because the original boards are crap.
    6:28
    And they were having problems, too. It was something to do with the way that the MPU scans and it can't see the tilt button. See, the other switch is fine, but the way the tilt is handled and the slam tilt is handled, it's different. So it can't quite see unless it sees it for a long time. and then it will say, okay, you're tilted. So a little quick hit is not going to do it. So I saw a couple great engineering minds on Pinside. One guy's name is Quench, really good guy, knows his stuff. And he suggested that one guy will put a Schottky diode on it and a 10-farad capacitor on it and see if that works. And some guy said, oh, that worked on my knee one. It tilts all the time now. Great. He's like, okay, well, I'm going to try that on this game. Because I was saying no one had a solution for Pascal. Everybody had, some people had problems with it, with the tilting. Some people said, oh, no, a tilt's fine for me. So I know what the deal is. But a lot of people had problems with it. Now, the Pascal board is not going to be a problem in home use typically with tilting because people don't really care in home use if it's that sensitive. But in a tournament, you do.
    7:31
    This is a System 1 game, right? System 1 game. Okay. And the Pascal board is an awesome board. No, we've talked about it numerous times. I've just, again, we've got to do kind of the preview of the game because I don't know how many people are familiar with Pinball Pool. Yeah, well, it's a System 1, so it's just like Joker Poker and Incredible Hulk and Genie and all those System 1 games, Solar Ride and so forth, Countdown, that they have crappy board sets, and the Pascal board is an all-in-one board. You just take all the boards out, put this one board in, the game is like a brand-new game. And most of the games are brand-new because that board set sucks. Exactly, so the board set died early on, so the games are like brand-new. they were throwing these games out, you could get them 50 bucks a piece 20 years ago, because you couldn't get them running, so they were, and they were like, they failed early on on site, so these games are pristine, so now they get a whole new life with a new board, and the games are like brand new, just clean them up, and they're like brand new games, they play well, the Pascal board adds certain wizard modes, it adds, you can stack extra balls, you can do all kinds of cool things, or go, including a track mode, it goes in there, a skill shot it throws in there, so all kinds of cool stuff it does, so, but the only thing is, it's a stupid tilt, and I decided, okay, I'm going to do Quench's fix and do that. I posted a picture of what to do. I got all the parts. I ordered the parts. I'm two days ahead of bringing it. I need to get this done. We can talk about this. Maybe it was you and me. You were going to go for a ride. I did. You went to that place? I did.
    9:04
    You do electronics. You're going to pay up, but it's convenient. Do they have a lot of stuff? They'll honestly have everything you need, but you're going to pay. Versus going to Amazon, you're not going to pay. You're going to wait, and maybe they might be delayed. I couldn't wait for them. How many vendors do you have where it's like, okay, the part costs X, but the shipping costs $10? Right. When it's all said and done. Yeah, exactly. You know, push, close to. And they have it. Right, and they have it. They have it. And RadioShack doesn't exist anymore, so this is it. This is all you've got for. Well, you're lucky. It's right nearby. Other parts of the world, I'm guessing they're like, you actually have an electronics store nearby. That has everything? Yeah, Massachusetts. It's amazing, you know. And I go in there. There's like maybe two people shopping. I don't know how they keep the doors open in this place. Like no one's in there. They're all ordering on Amazon or whatever. Thank God they're still around. And I ordered the stuff on Amazon anyway for one day shipping. And I said, you know, just ahead of my bet, in case something goes wrong, I need this thing right now. I want to get this thing put to bed now ahead of time. So I took a ride, and they had the parts I needed. I bought extra, a couple extras in case, you know, something went wrong. put them in there and with the 10 microfarad cap and whatever, turned the game on, came up pressed the button, start the game and it immediately tilted all, it did like a tilt right away, it's like okay the cap is too strong it worked on that other game for the knee one board but not on the pass it's not playing well, it's like alright let's see what other, I'm going to keep the shock key diode on there I'm going to put a different cap on it so I put instead of a 10, I reduced it by 1 fifth and put a 2 microfarad cap I had on there. Put that in there. Great. It played. I gave a little bit of a tilt a little bit, and it tilted right away when I gave a little bit of a shove. So now I knew we were onto something. So now I had a perfect game for this tournament. I was good to go. Well, I don't want you to give it away because you and Eric talk about this and the other games there. So stay tuned. It was interesting listening to Eric and what happened to him in playing several games. Oh, yeah. Things that you might not expect. Right.
    11:13
    I've already heard it, obviously. So, you know, clarity. Eric does a really good job talking about the tournament. So stay tuned for that. Yeah, it's coming up. So you're at the show, and all the vendors are there. Obviously, tons of pinball. But I understand on Friday it was mayhem. there were, and tell us, there was a line? There was a line around the building. Now, they opened at, they're going to be open at noon, and they decided to open up early because there's so many people outside, they said let them in. Right, well, pay people's money if they're willing to give it to you. Oh, yeah, but they didn't want to piss people off. And some of the vendors were kind of like, hey, we're not quite ready yet. We've already had until noon because they're just coming in at like 9 o'clock and they need all the time they can to get ready. But they said, well, I think at 11 o'clock they said, okay, we're going to open up in T-minus 50 minutes, 5-0 minutes. And then about 10 minutes later, okay, we're opening up now. It's like, okay, so ready or not, here we go. So the floodgates opened. The floodgates opened. Everybody started coming in. There were, like, lines to play. And I didn't get it. I was there Thursday setting up, but I was spending so much time setting up and talking to Levy and everybody else there and getting the games good to go. I didn't really go out, and I should have probably gone out and tried to play, like, all the new games. I want to play Pulp Fiction. Oh, come on. You didn't play any. We'll go there now. You didn't play any of the new games? No, I did finally. But the time I could go do it was like on Friday morning before the hordes came in. But even then, the lines were already, like for the Play Pulp Fiction, I was in like a 10-minute line to play Pulp Fiction. Well, that's nothing. Well, I know. Obviously, you don't listen to other podcasts, but the Texas Pinball Festival. Oh, Scooby-Doo was insane, right? Every game that was there was long lines. Like, some games, did you get to talk to Jeff Teolis when you were at the show? A little bit, yeah. Because he was there. He was the one who was talking about it and said, I didn't get to play Pulp Fiction because the line was so long. And he said, somebody, who was it, a California guy, it'll come to me later, it doesn't matter, rolled the game, played the game for 40 minutes. Wow. So think about that. You're standing in line. And he was standing in line with him. It'll come to me later. Yeah.
    13:38
    And I'm like, 40 minutes? This was where? At Texas. Okay, okay. But 40 minutes. Yeah. And he's waiting in line with that person. Wow. And he didn't get a chance. Wow. He said I had to walk away. I didn't have time. Yep. But there are people behind him, and they've waited at least 40 minutes. Yeah. That's nuts. I'm glad the players are probably being more than good. That's why Allen's not really good. I mean, you're willing, and we've talked about it before. I mean, we waited a half an hour to play Guns N' Roses that one time. Right, right. Because it was a four-player game, and it was a long-playing game.
    14:08
    Did you play any? So you got to play it. Got to play it. Yeah, I liked it. Would I buy it? I don't know if I'd buy it. I mean, I... You might not get a chance to buy it. No, you can buy it. It's going to wait. You're going to wait a year. Oh, really? Yeah, they put the Cactus Canyon people are waiting for years, so that's supposed to come out soon. So you can... They're going to take orders all day long for this game, but you're not going to get it anytime soon. That's what I hear.
    14:30
    I like the game. The price point is good. But I already got kind of, when I bought the brand-new Stern game, I was kind of like, it was good for a while, but then I just feel like I'm going to, like, tire of it again. And it's just like. Do you want to go there? Yeah. Did you talk to Ray Davidson? I did, but I saw him. He was playing my pinball pool. Did he say anything about me? No, I didn't want to go there. Did you hear the news? No, it's the news. I missed the news. It's going to be Rush 2? No. Oh. No, the opposite.
    14:59
    What do you mean? What happened? They're not going to make any more. No more rushes? None. Zero. They've got... Why? Zip. Zero. Well, they made enough of them, I would think.
    15:10
    My question to you is, did you sell too soon? No, I don't think so. You wanted it gone. I wanted it gone. Okay, okay. It was an albatross. Sorry, Ray. It was sitting here. Hey, a lot of people love the game. I'm an outlier. Yeah. And the thing is, you know what? It could be... No, but he was like, he was waiting for us to do a review on it, and we just kicked the can down the road and never did it. And I don't think that's our audience anyway. It's not our audience. Do you really want me commenting on that game? I don't. I did not play enough of the game and all the wizard mode. I didn't get deep enough into it. Did you play anything else other than that? I played. Did you play Scooby?
    15:49
    No. I looked at people playing Scooby. It's like, well, who wants to play this game? It doesn't look good to me at all. I heard somebody say this, and I agree.
    15:56
    that the seven shots, you know, because it's a fan layout, are all covered. That big upper play field thing. Yeah, you can't see it. I couldn't articulate it. When I played it, you know, I didn't even know that the flipper was the bookcase or whatever. But regardless of that, I just, you can't see the shot. You know what? It's kind of like Star Wars Episode I. Right. If you're a Scooby fan, I get it. I'm not. You know what Episode I is? You know what that is? Episode I. Star Wars Episode I pinball machine.
    16:25
    Which one is that? That's the one. The first one they ever did? No, that's the one. Is that the one with the big round thing in the corner? No, that's the one. That's the last game that Williams made, Bradley Williams made in 1999, which is the miniature cabinet with a big TV screen on it. They had virtual spinners in the game. You couldn't see anything. It was blacked out, so you shot the game down here. It was an experiment. I'll be really careful. It was a crap fest. It was crap. Okay. It had a prison card in it and some other crap. But anyway, that was a little bit like Scooby-Doo because everything's hidden, and that's hidden in that game too. I always watch people play that game. Plus, I'm not a big Scooby-Doo fan. So it's Strike 1. I didn't really like when I saw the game being played online. It's like, yeah, it's okay. And then watching people play it, and it's like, I don't need to wait in line to play this game. So it's like, no, I didn't need to. I did play the, what's the mafia game? Godfather. I played Godfather. I was really surprised. In this day and age when we have, you know, so many are seeing the news, all the bang-bang devices and all that kind of stuff. people are all like, oh, the guns. Oh, just say guns. I'm like, bang, bang, bang. Is that a new mech?
    17:35
    Sorry. And I get no problem with that. I'm more like a Texas guy when it comes to that kind of stuff. But, you know, but they have... The guy, the mafia guy at the top of the game, you shoot the thing right in the middle there, almost like the attack from Mars Saucer. He has a Gatling gun and goes, you know, right action. I heard the first time that that happens, it scares the hell out of you. Yeah. Does it? No. No? It's kind of freaky, but it's kind of, you know.
    18:06
    The funny thing is, speaking of that, I talked to my niece, who watches a lot of TV and NPR and so forth, and I said, do you know what AR stands for, right? She goes, yeah, it's an automatic rifle. No, that's not true. But see, this is what they're saying out there. No, I know what they say. That's not true. But this is how they get brainwashed. I said, no, it's Armalite. It doesn't mean automatic. There are no automatic weapons. It was the name of the company. Yeah. So I tried to correct her on that. And I helped her. This is a little, what's it called, a PSA for everybody else out there.
    18:36
    So anyway, so that was that. I played that game, that game. What else did we play, Maureen, for new games? Did you play the tank game? Was that there? Galactic Tank Force? I saw that. I didn't play it, but I saw it. It looked interesting. Everybody says it's a really pretty-looking game. Pretty-looking game. They have different actors on the screen acting out the different roles. It's all made up. I mean, some of those actors, I guess, have been in other things, from what I understand. It's funny. I'm sitting here listening to you after having listened to other people who've gone to, like, Texas or other shows. Yeah. And your thoughts aren't far off from others. Really? you know there's no bad pinball game but you know you're well I'll just ask the question because we've already done this but I don't think that's been published either when I asked you about this but I'll ask you, it doesn't matter, you guys will hear it if you don't like it, shut it off would you, what would you say was the best game, new game that you played it's hit Pulp Fiction right, that's what everybody says and my question to you is, I wanted to ask this of Marty and Jeff because they were talking about it. They recorded this after like two months ago.
    19:56
    Do you think we have a revival in single level games? God, I hope so. I swear, people... Do you think people are interested in it because they can buy a new one versus what we collect, which are 40 years old? Yes, because... Because they have familiarity with the mechs and the gameplay and the feel of those games? Right, and on top of that, it's hard for people to buy, unless you know someone like me or someone that can really restore a game nicely, an old school game that plays like new.
    20:23
    You know, when you go to play, you know, an old school game at even some of these tournaments and even some of these shows, they play tired, you know. So when you play an old school kind of game that has a feel like Pulp Fiction, everything's new and snappy and everything works well, yeah, now they get a really good feel for it. And the people who were in line, I was talking to people in line, a lot of them were ramp game people, you know, like the ramps and wizard modes and the rest of the stuff.
    20:49
    Over ramp parts we march? Over ramp parts we march, yes. They're ramping up big time. Ramp mania. They were saying, you know, I really like the modern games with all the ramps and all that kind of stuff and lights and all these things. I said, you know what? I really like this game. I don't know why. It's something different. I really like the feel. It's well implemented. They actually were warming up to an old school game like that. So I think it's definitely remarkable. I think these guys have paved the way. I think there's going to be another one like this. Well, you've had, you know, we haven't even talked about this, and we've been recording for how long? About 20 minutes.
    21:22
    Our last episode with Keith Ellin. His game. Single-level game. Yeah. Was that there? No. No, because that was like super, super money. Big money. No, I understand that. But I'm saying it's been at a, it was at Pimbroof Fest. They have it. I'm just wondering if we're ever going to have the opportunity to play it. Well, from what I've heard, I don't know if I said this. People said it was a pretty good game. Plain game. Yeah, the Keith version of that, the $18,000 game, that plays, like I heard, like a classic Stern, and this Pulp Fiction plays like a classic Valley. Well, if you remember from, you know, I'm going to do some Pulp Ficking here. If you remember, he said he would like to do another one. Yeah. And probably a lot less price point, too. It wouldn't have a big price tag on it.
    22:15
    Hey, I found it fascinating to talk to him. I'm very grateful. Thank you. That was fun. But you folks aren't doing your jobs, you regular listeners. Tell people. I expected a lot more listens, I'll be honest.
    22:30
    Like, share, subscribe. And we tried to do something that nobody has done before, which is just talk classics. We talked very little about all his new games. I don't even think we talked about Godzilla. Maybe a casual mention. Like a casual mention. Because, you know, Keith wanted to get it back to square one. He's like, well, you know, I did do Godzilla. I don't want to say, no, no, you did a great job on Godzilla. The rest of the games were great. But, you know, we're not going to do it here. Now, I will say that Godzilla, I would say, is one of the best-selling sterns right now to date. Everybody wants that game. Don't be making that game forever. Yeah, that game is well-implemented. A lot of people love it, so they're going to keep making a lot of that game, I think. So let's get back on track. Yeah. So is there any other game that you played other than Godfather and Pulp? You didn't play Galactic. You didn't play Scooby. I watched Galactic, and I wouldn't have mind playing that one if I wasn't torn away. If you weren't willing forever. Yeah. Scooby, I had no desire. The only reason why I played the Godfather, because there's no line for it, I stepped right up and played it. That's why. Yep. Well, that's good. Yeah, nobody, you know, because they're all playing the good stuff. Somebody bring an alien? Yeah, yeah. That was there last year. I saw that. I played that last year. I didn't buy, that one, I said I have no desire to play the game. It's okay, it's okay. It's okay. I saw the Queen game there when I saw it. Oh, that's right. Did you play that? No, because it was unplugged at the time. It was too early. So I didn't get to play that one. Hopefully it was unplugged for a reason. I mean, it was early. I don't know. Oh, I played Foo Fighters. 007. I played Foo Fighters. What do you mean 007? I didn't play, did we play 007?
    24:06
    No, you didn't like it. I didn't play it, though. Right. I didn't play it. So, I saw the 007. No, no, no. You went Foo Fighters. I went Foo Fighters. You want to complete your thought on... Yeah, yeah, Foo Fighters. So, I played Foo Fighters, and it was okay. I don't really see a big deal with that game. I didn't really... It didn't do anything for me. Don't care for the music. Don't care for the play. Would you like to hear my Foo Fighters story right now, which you've already heard? Some people call it Poo Fighters. Go ahead. I call it poo biters. Poo biters.
    24:38
    You know, they're actually making, they're making, speaking of poo biters, they're making special muffins now. Looks like a dog's rear end with a paw and so forth. And you press on the two buns and it's like chocolate stuff comes out. Chocolate pastry comes out the rear end of it. You know that? You're kidding. No, no, I can show you.
    24:59
    It's all the rage right now. Did you know that I used to have a polar bear, like a little mechanical polar bear, that would extricate sugar babies? You know those little brown candies? Yeah, yeah. If you pop the head or the body move, it would...
    25:22
    Oh, it's a nice poop. Yeah. Poop. Great. Okay, I have a poop idea. I'm done with coming this far in society. We haven't even gotten through the door yet.
    25:33
    We haven't gotten through the door, have we? No, well, that's what happens here. But if I don't introduce the Foo Fighters store, we'll completely forget about it. That's true. So I went to Virginia last month, and I saw a brewery that I had not been to called Mustang Sally's. And they were having an event for Foo Fighters. You know, what do they call them? The announcement. reveal and I'm like okay that should be fun and they're going to have a tournament I'm like okay that'll be a mix there should be some people who want to see the Foo Fighters game you know okay nothing like that Dave they threw me on the floor and used my head as a mop. You're way out of your element, Johnny. You're way out of your element. There were 25 people that played at Mustang Sally's that night. I came in dead last. Dead last. I gave up after seven games. I just couldn't take it anymore. I played two top 500 players, and they've got quite a few top 500 players. A gal named Stephanie Traub, and this guy named Jose Chong. They do a YouTube channel. Don't ask me what it is, but if you watch, you probably know who these people are. They just annihilated me. And it was mostly moderns. So I got to play Foo Fighters, and I thought it was a good game. I mean, but I just got, I got spiked. And a couple times I'm playing these modern games, and I've got a great ball one and a great ball two, and I'm going into ball three, and I'm winning, right? Yeah. No, you're not. No. Because everybody else knows how to play the game. Exactly. And Georgie's just shooting the same shot over and over again, hoping that it doesn't drain. Right. They know the game. I think I told you. It's combination luck. Left, right, this, this, this. The one game, I don't remember which one it was. The skill shot was worth 50 million points. And they got it all the time. No, they got it on the last ball. Okay. It's like, they're playing with me. It's like a cat playing with a piece of, you know, a ball of yarn. I was like, oh, this is horrible. Then I got annihilated on my own game. a skateboard oh no excuse so I want to give a shout out to the person who runs the tournaments but I'm also going to reprimand um Kevin Stone no relation to Eric he's the TD he also is the opt for the games there and they played great all the moderns played great but that skateboard now you yelled at me you're like well why did you do that the center target bank. I told Dave it was if somebody put a rubber band around all three targets or wired them so they wouldn't go down. I hit that thing errantly a couple of times and nothing went down. Nothing. The pop bumpers didn't do much either. So the game played nothing like my game. And I got eliminated, lost the game to somebody who was first playing in a tournament because they had no ranking. that's really sad it is sad what happened? so the moral of the story is never go into thinking that you might have a fighting chance and that all the people that played for the most part were tournament players and they were all really good and GC's got some great players so I'm looking forward to moving there I'm going to be able to play more rap games yeah but that's ok maybe you'll find your niche so let's get back to Allentown so what else did you do at Allentown I went to go see Stephen Mayfair and bought about I don't know $250 worth of metal from him like what kind of metal like locks the kind of locks you don't need keys for but a crap load of that but the pointy valley shooter rods the old school ones not the one with the rounded tip but a nice sharp tip so you can't really hit your hand on it bought a bunch of those from him the tea, what's it called the tea mounting things for when you mount the legs to the game usually they're broken on a Gottlieb or whatever or they're missing, I got a bunch of those So you bought benefits of buying games? I did buy some games so yeah, so that kind of goes with Well before you answer that, hang on everybody always talks about Thursday Yes I do The day before the show, I know you were and that's why I'm asking because everybody's probably like why aren't you talking about Thursday? You know, that's the day to get in there. Well, Dave got in there. Did you buy stuff on Thursday?
    30:29
    I don't think we, no, we didn't buy it on Thursday. Wasn't there anything really good for sale on Thursday? Well, I'll tell you what, on Thursday, I spent, again, most of my time with the tournament row setting up my game. Right. Besides that, we did a little bit of a walk around. We got a free apron. Oh, we got a free 8-ball-to-lux apron that someone had. that was a pretty nice shape. A little bit banged up, but very usable. Better than nothing. I've got a little pinball wizard light-up sign that I'm going to give to my friend Jeff in Maine because he always calls himself the Pin Whiz. Okay. I'll give him that.
    31:07
    What else did we find? I think I went around to a couple things different. I found a bunch of games for sale. Captain Fantastic. There were other... There was a Stars for Sale. There were a bunch of games available there. Prices were decent. The restored stuff, actually, there's one guy, Al's Pinball, or Al's Pinball, something like that, out of Pennsylvania.
    31:35
    He does really nice. He's an automotive guy originally, and he does really nice. Some cabinet repaints he's done. He does hard tops. so he brought some nice games he did a Xenon hardtop a Gorgar Is that the game I saw online?
    31:54
    Was that the only Xenon that was for sale? No, a couple of them. There's another one so that Xenon went pretty quick Were you looking for one? I was looking for one but the guy who was buying my Flash Gordon he wanted to get a Xenon but I touched base with him and said hey I need to know if you want a Xenon right now or not, no pressure because I know you probably want your – you've got money on – He wants his first game first. Don't get ahead of him. Exactly. But I want to give him the option. Right. So he said, no, I want the first game first. And I said, great. Okay, so I didn't have to buy that. But my other guy, who I'll get into later, my Captain Fantastic Nantucket guy, after he got his game I did for him, he said, I love your work, and now that we've kind of established, I want you to find me a Valley of Rolling Stones, a Gorgar, and a Kiss. So before Allentown, before it started, I put the word out there, hey, looking for a Rolling Stones, and someone from Canada, who I don't think was going to go to the show, but he said, if you give me X amount of dollars for this game, and it's a player's game, it's a player's condition. It works, but definitely needs some love. And I was definitely paying up for it. I wasn't getting it cheap. I will bring it to the show, money down, and I'm using it to get in the show for free early, so it's going to stay on the floor, and it's going to be his to get in, not mine. Right. And then, you know, so I did that. I did the deal with him. I said, again, I know the guy wanted it, and I can make my two cents on it. And then the guy with the hard top, with the Gorgar, he had that game that's a beautiful Gorgar. So I'm going to either, and I have two Gorgars now. I've got one guy from Channel 5 in Boston who I'm doing a Gorgar for, and now I've got this guy in Tuckett. I'm going to do a Gorgar for. I can't believe how many people want that. They love, you know. That was a really popular game back in the day. I can't believe how many people want a Gorgar. I've done about ten of them so far. No, I know. You talked. Again.
    33:51
    Wow. You bought last year when we were at Pimbrew Fest from Steven, right? I don't remember. Yeah, another Gorgar. I buy a Gorgar every year. Was he at Allentown? Did you see him? No, I didn't see him. Okay. No, there's no Lemur. Lemur wasn't there. No? No Lemur. Oh, wow. No. No Bowen? Nope.
    34:12
    No. There were some good contenders there. Ray Day was there, of course. Right. What about, what's his name, David Diehl, Eric's friend from Pittsburgh? Was he there? He was there. He's a good player. Yeah, he's a good player. Yeah, he was there. DJ, right? DJ. Right, yeah. He was there. Okay. I'm trying to think of the cast of characters because I always watch them on Twitch. Huh.
    34:37
    Interesting. so those were the games, so basically I picked up the Gorgar, I got that, because I saw that the Xenon sold really quick, I know that Gorgar was going to sell, the price was right on it for what it was, and it was such a good job that when I looked at the playfield, I was like, this looks like a new playfield in here, so I'm looking at it really closely, and I have a good eye, and like, it's like so I looked at it really closely and I said, oh this is a hardtop, I finally could tell it was a hardtop by the little edge I saw to the shooter lane, and I don't know what that is. Hold on a second. It's a dishwasher.
    35:11
    Where are you? That's okay. What is going on? That okay I don know What that noise That you or something else It sounds like the dish was What? What's the matter?
    35:30
    Okay. Another mouse in the house. Uh-oh. Oh, boy. I just don't know what that noise was. Okay. Was that you, Maureen? I fell in the watering can. Oh, okay. She's watering the plants and the vegetables. Okay. Yes. Okay. Got it. Got to water the peonies. The peonies. And we got to do the chickens, too. We've got to feed the chickens. The peas. Yes, peas grow there. Okay, we got it. All right, so we found the source of the noise. That's good. We nailed that down. Perfect. So where were we? We were talking about hard tops. So you're buying hard tops. You're buying hard tops. The Gorgon, I thought it was a new play field in there. It fooled me, but it was so nice. So I did notice the guy, he didn't put in the upgraded flipper mix like I did, though. That's why I played. The flippers were okay, but they're a little bit tired. So I'm going to go and optimize the brain to the next level. but this guy's done a lot of the work for me. Right, right.
    36:20
    Brand new back glasses in it as well. Paint job is perfect on it. That's his CPR? No, that was Mayfair.
    36:27
    Oh, he had one. Oh, he has them. He has those. No, no, no. He's got a lot of stuff. If you're in... He's not unreasonable. No, he's got... If you need something... He's got new... He's the first guy to go to. Oh, yeah. He's got nice stuff. We don't really talk... The only time we ever talk about him is these shows. Yeah.
    36:45
    He's got nice backlash. He's a backlash guy. No, I know. And I used to go to Steve Young to buy all these parts, but he doesn't go to shows anymore. He doesn't have to. He wants to hang back, and he doesn't need to. Doesn't need to. So I think Steve Engel sells most of his stuff at these shows. People know him to buy parts. So he's like a parts guy. He does tons of business for buying parts. So I gave him some good money this year. So there was that. So those two games there, I actually played the Rolling Stones at the show just to make sure it was good, and it played well. Definitely needed me to go through that one as well to make it perfect, but it played good enough to buy it.
    37:21
    So then I needed to find – first I needed to find a ride home for the Rolling Stones first. Oh, that's right. You didn't bring a vehicle. Yeah, I only have room for one. I had the pinball pool. So now this happens every year. I get a freaking – I keep calling in favors. And the good thing is, though, you know – Barter is good. Mark and Sandra, they're at Pennovators, and they, you know, last year they brought something home for me.
    37:50
    I didn't figure out what that game was. Tell people again what they make. So Mark and Sandra, they're Pennovators. They make the headphone jack for all the modern sterns. And so if you've got a – And then you have that desk thing that we both – Yeah, that bass desk thing so that – That vibrates. You've got a quiet house. you've got little kids at home and they're asleep and you want to crank up your game and you want to have all the full effect without disturbing the household, Pinner Baiters is your thing. That's what you go do. So they were selling, they're doing gangbusters. They do a good job every year there. So last time around they brought a game back for me and I really appreciated it, but got to hang out with them, had a little cookout at their place. And I didn't really want to bug them again with that. It's like, well, I basically just said, listen, if you guys do have room, I'm going to ask my friend Stu who's going, but I want to use you guys for a plan B in case my plan A doesn't work or even a plan C. I'm just kind of putting feelers out there if you're open to it. And if you can, if you don't want to, just say no. Say, oh, I think we might have room. We might, you know. So they were a maybe. I said, well, I need to find more of a definite. So I asked Stu, who brought two games. Well, he's got a big van, right? He wasn't going to bring his van, but he brought his van. He brought his restaurant van. Whatever that giant van is. Yeah, big van. Right. Yeah. So he brought that. He brought two games. He brought a Captain Fantastic to sell at the show on the floor. but he didn't pay very much money for it did he sell it? he sold it so I'll tell you the story there so he sold that and I think one other game he had but he sold the other game really quickly the captain wasn't selling as quick so he was getting desperate he said he really wants to move it so he basically said I can just take one game home for you but if you want to go buy the Gorgar I said I've got to go buy that Gorgar because I knew someone was going to buy it so what did you broker the deal for the captain fantastic? get somebody to buy it? No, but I did say, it's like, well, Stu originally had a price of, like, I think $2,000 on it. I said, why don't you put our best offer? He's like, oh, it's like, if you put it OBO, it's going to sell. He's like, well, I don't want to come home with it. It's like, well, just do OBO. So he's just about to go over there and mark it down to $1,800 or best offer. Just when he was going to go do it, a guy came up and said, oh, is this your game? He said, yeah. It's like, oh, I'm interested in buying it. He's like, okay. So he didn't touch the price. Oh, it's perfect.
    40:05
    So timing. Yeah, zip. Okay. Hands over mouth. Yep. Shut up. So he got 18 for it. He did anything about 15, he's happy. Let me let you know, everybody wants to feel good and have a story. Yeah. So I'm not paying less price. Right. Just give me something to make me walk away and feel like I got a deal. Exactly. That seems to be the way. I did the same thing with Gorgar. Gorgar talked down. Now, the Rolling Stones guy, he wasn't getting talked down. He said, nope, that's what I have to do. Well, he brought you the game. He brought me the game. Right. Right, that's different. But I gave him American dollars. I gave him, you know, that'd be worth more money up there. He made a payday. He got a 30% raise. Yeah, he got a really nice payday in that one. I paid up for that. Good for him. Because I can't really find one anywhere. You don't find them rolling stones everywhere. I'm surprised. When I saw the picture, I was like, wow, I'm surprised he bought that. And then I said, oh, he must have somebody who wants it. Oh, yeah, Mr. Nantucket. He wants it. But Mr. Nantucket, does Mr. Nantucket listen to us? I don't think so. Good. I think so he'd get better things to do he's what we call deep pockets yes he's got some deep pockets he's deep pockets he's very busy, he's having a huge shindig with Chef Antoine and a wine tasting and he really wanted this game done by a certain time and I got it done for him and his friend, his kid came over he's like 20 years old a friend of the guy who takes care of his property He picked up the game, I fixed it, finished it, showed him how to take it apart, brought it down to Nantucket, and I said, be very careful with the game, don't bounce it around, don't drop it. I picked things up, I put them down. Well, no, this wasn't a big muscle guy. This was just a little, he's a kid. He's like a surfer dude, you know.
    41:53
    Gnarly man, that's a really bitching game. Well, he's on Nantucket, so he's, you know, he's got some. Oh, he's a blue blood. Yeah. We go surfing in the mall. That's a little better, yeah. Yeah, right.
    42:04
    And he shows up. What car did he show up here with to pick the game up? A Range Rover. George, you're a mind reader. Yes, he did. Get away, cigar. You're not driving. Never mind.
    42:20
    So he's mechanically inclined. Okay. And guess what car he's restoring for himself. Is it a muscle car? No. Oh, don't say a Honda. No, you were right. Keep going. What was the first time around? A Range Rover? A Range Rover, yes. Thanks. For a 2008 Range Rover. Now, I would think Range Rovers you'd throw it at for a couple of years because they're made kind of junky, but I guess Range Rovers are all the Range over there. What's the...
    42:47
    Is it the one that looks like a Jeep and it's got the soft top? I don't know if that's a Range Rover. That's not a Range Rover. No. What's the other one from England? This isn't for me. This is made in India now by Tata. Tata makes these games. Games. They're actually called... Cars, not games. Right. Yeah, cars. They're getting all excited. Calm down. And the first thing is, they're actually called... They're trying to do Bodacious Tatas, but it's not working out. So they just changed the name of the game. That's a new game? Is that Rattling Lone Alley? It's a car. It's a car and it's a game. Depending. It's a game and a car. I'm really confused. Okay. Well, you never know. Okay, so... You ever see Sandic Fever? Yeah. It was in that. Anyway. Hold on. Inappropriate, though. Okay. I have no idea where that went.
    43:29
    I'll listen to it in post and stream it constantly. Just follow that one, folks. See if you can follow the breadcrumbs in that one. Okay. So where were we in the last question? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so here we go. So this is some gripping drama. We're going to take a little break from Allentown for a second just to go, because this kind of ties into the games I bought. We were supposed to talk about Allentown first. We're talking about everything else. Well, this is part of Allentown because I bought the Rolling Stones and the Gorgar. Oh, so that's the thread. That's the thread. Okay. So it's still there. We've got one foot in Allentown. We have one foot in Nantucket. The threat is about to be cut. So we'll go back downtown in a second. So, you know, so he gets the game there. He said, let me know how it goes. And he sent me a quick picture of him when he's, oh, we set the game up and it's working great. It's like, oh, thank God it's working great. You know, it survived. He set it up. I showed him how to set it up, plug the thing in the right way. So he knows what he's doing. He restored his car. So I showed him how to set the game up for the, you know, the ballet game there, the old school EM. Kevin, fantastic. So Monday we're back from Allentown, I guess, or Sunday night or whatever it was, Monday night. I get a call from him. That's right. We're on the way home Monday. I get a call from my Nantucket guy. He said, I don't know what's going on, dude, but, you know, the game isn't working. I press the button. I have Chef Antoine. I got some wine people coming here.
    44:52
    I got a house full of people coming. Isn't Chef Antoine the little French chef in Bugs Bunny? Oh, we do the Bugs Bunny bouillabaisse. You know the guy I'm talking about? I'm thinking from a different thing. From Feierstein Theater, it's Chef Antoine's southern fried glimpse, toast perfection on the outside. Now, just a only cologne minute, Doc. What's cooking? You, Monsieur.
    45:19
    You're going to cook me? Ah, oui, Monsieur. I am not a delicious rabbit, François. Oh. Uh-huh. Okay. Of course, if you want something really good, you can't beat a good old Louisiana back bay bayou bunny borderlay, a la Antoine. A la Antoine? You mean C. Antoine of New Orleans? I don't mean Antoine of Flatbush. You know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do. Okay. Yeah, there's two of them. They're twin chefs, and they run bunnies in the pond. I'm going to have to find that. Find that one. Chef Antoine times two. Chef Antoine. So he said, I know what's going on. I said, it's a simple problem. It's going to be something simple. It's like, I'm going to work on it tonight, I'm going to lay you home, I'm driving home. Well, we'll get it done for you. I'm coming down the Cape anyway. Worst case scenario, I will ferry over to Nantucket and I will take care of this for you. Don't worry about it. Why do you have people calling for a week? I got you covered. Don't worry about it. Then I said, well, could Aiden, Aiden's this young boy guy there, the guy who works at his yard and so forth and helps him. He's a friend. He's whatever. Management guy. Caretaker's son.
    46:28
    Said, oh, he's just a photographer. No, he restores his own car. He knows what he's doing. Believe me. I'm just going to stop with him. I'll get it done for you. Either way, don't worry about it. Go do your thing. I will take care of things. So I reached out to Aiden, the kid, and I said, listen, here's what I need you to do. I'm going to take a video of what I think this is on my EM, and I'm going to show you. I'm going to put it on the pinball pool. Not the pinball pool. No, on the blackjack. The blackjack is the same year, Bally, as a captain. And I went through the bottom of that, and I took a video of that and how its startup sequence is and all these things. I sent it to him that night at 11 o'clock at night. He says, oh, wow, that was super helpful. Thank you. That's going to really help me fix it. So he's gung-ho to fix it for me, which is great. he said then I got a text from the Nantucket guy and he said I want to do a Zoom call with you first thing at 8.30 in the morning tomorrow morning, I said okay, so we did it 8.30 in the morning, did a Zoom call, we showed him how to do it and we actually got it running, after about 20 minutes I said okay, I'll try a four player game keep playing, playing, playing, and the game is bulletproof so I can avoid going to Nantucket and taking a ferry over there Pretty good. Yeah. I'm so glad he could follow directions. Okay, so now let's get back to Allentown. Back to Allentown. All right. That was a gripping drama part of the show. Back to Allentown. So, T-shirts were selling like hotcakes there. I guess they ran out of T-shirts at one point. Whose T-shirt? French? Ivan. I don't know, but who did the T-shirt?
    48:05
    Brian. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, I got a T-shirt by him. Yeah. Brian Eddy? Brian Eddy. Yeah. Yeah, so he did all that. So that was a big seller.
    48:15
    He did the most business. This is like the biggest show in years, probably because the weather was so nice. I think that the whole Cooties thing was kind of behind us now. People were bringing so many games to the show. There's a line around the building to get in. Well, you said that people were bringing games and they couldn't get in because they didn't have any room.
    48:37
    Yeah, so I was talking to Ivan on Friday. and he said, I have guys that are at the door right now and want to bring games in and I said, are you pre-registered? No, you can't come in yet then. I'm saving them the spots I have for pre-registered games. They pre-registered, played the rules the right way. You guys are just showing up here. You're in the holding pen. If somebody doesn't show up, I'll let you in. There might only be one of you. I said, come back Saturday, I'll see if there's room. Or I didn't say it. I'm not letting you in.
    49:04
    So it's that kind of thing. He might have pissed some people off. But, you know, and some people later on saw some armchair quarterbacks after the show was done, and they, oh, I think we've outgrown the venue of this show. You know, he needs to expand. It's like, he does not need to expand. He just, the show is a charming show the way it is. It definitely was, like, packed with people and games. But this was the only show that has the farmer's market across the street, which is, like, a big draw for the show. I missed it. I bummed. And that's the best part. Even my wife bummed. She goes, I don't care about the pinball show. And my friend Jack, same thing. I don't care about the pinball show. I want to go to the farmer's market. It's a two-for-one. It is. And it's only open the day of the show. The only thing that would make that show better is if there was a hotel right there. Oh, my God. Yeah. Hold on.
    49:53
    There's a car. Okay, folks. You can tell we're in a parking garage. We are. That's a jet ready to take off. All right.
    50:05
    Okay. Okay, so the Allentown Fairgrounds, the Farmer's Market is a great thing, the swap meet, all the parts you can get, all the big, you know, people were buying and selling. So our friend Junkie Jeff was there, huh? Junkie Jeff selling all kinds of stuff. Anybody else that had anything good? Any, you know, stand-alone people? Oh, you got my friend Dave and Jerry. They did the first time. Jerry Bulbs. Yeah, Jerry Bulbs. They sold, he sold all the Jerry Bulbs. No, they sold a bunch. He'd been collecting things for years, and he wanted to kind of lighten the load, So all this crap, they just brought all their crap, like a big yard sale. I don't even know what. They had some play fields and some other stuff they had. And they were just selling all that stuff. I guess they did pretty well. They sold a lot of their stuff.
    50:46
    The thing about, and I see. They're in the outside flea market too? No, they don't do outside yet. No, no outside. That side part of the building, that's no longer. Nope. Oh, that's too bad. Because what happened last year was the deluge of rain killed it. So people are gun-shy about doing outside flea market. Yeah, but on a nice day, he should just open that up and make it free and have the yard sale like you normally do. Yeah, but that takes planning. People aren't going to bring it for that. You know what I'm saying? It takes planning. So then someone said, okay, why don't you get a huge tent and put it out there? It's $10,000 for that tent. Costly. So that's no good. But in years past. No, I understand. I used to just love the outside. You did too. Well, I know. I did. You used to love that outside thing. The early one, not the one that... Yeah, way back. Right. When it was free and it was like... Wait, but what did they do back then when it rained? What happened in those days? It must have rained. There was some... The smart people would come in a 20-foot box truck with their stuff, and that was their showroom.
    51:47
    Okay. So you just walk in the truck. Right, because if it was either that or you just didn't come. Or your own tent. But a lot of years, I remember a lot of years, it was really nice. Well, you know what you do, actually, when you get to the Big E or that big thing out west here, what's it called?
    52:06
    Brimfield Township. Oh, yeah. Endless. Endless, endless. Endless yard sales down some road, whatever that road is. Right, but they have their own tent they bring, right?
    52:19
    That's like world-known, that garage sale, yard sale, whatever. I know, but I'm saying those people bring their own tents. Yeah, but there was no selling. What, shop keys?
    52:33
    Ivan wants to contain it in a building and make money. That's the bottom line. But he can make money outside, too. He just has to cordon it off. It was cheap enough. I'd take the risk, but it's never cheap enough. I just need a six-foot table. I don't want to spend $100 because I'm giving you $100. I think it's more than that. I think it's $175. If I'm giving you my first $175. You've got to make it. Right. I'm giving away most of it. Right. It doesn't pay for a hobbyist. That's the kind of stuff that people want to see. It doesn't work at Pintastic either. It's the same thing. That usually is because it's 9 billion degrees out. No, but Pintastic doesn't want to be Allentown. Pintastic wants to be mini-expo. Their show is more like speakers and a big tournament or multiple tournaments, but lots of seminars, seminars, all that kind of stuff, and free play. Not a lot of buy-in and selling going on to some, but there's definitely more horse trading going on at Allentown, a lot of things changing hands, a lot of buy-in and selling. Well, it's known for that. It's been known for that for 20-something years. But I think that sets Allentown's show apart because they have that niche. And also, he's very old school. There's no QR code stuff going on really for that show. It doesn't even sell tickets ahead of time. It's cash. It's all good things in life. It's all good things. It's old school. It's like stepping back in time. People want it. That's why it's so popular. They're not really embracing it. I agree. I'm sorry I missed it. They're not embracing the modern stuff. Trust me, I had no fun. Selling a house is no fun. Thank God my neighbors were away and let us sit on their porch and use their home.
    54:21
    You get to watch from afar, watch people parade in and out of the house? Yeah, I was spying on people.
    54:27
    And I misread everybody. With a ring camera? If you can't hear people and you're just going off of body language, every time they would leave, I would go up to the realtor and say, oh, so they weren't really interested. Oh, no, they were really interested. They're making an offer. Wow. I'm like, and then another one. Wow, they looked really interested. They spent a lot of time. No, husband hated it. I'm like, okay, I'm done. That's why you hire a realtor.
    54:56
    She sold the house. The person who we hired sold the house, jackpot. She gets it all. Right, but she put the time in to do it, right? She was awesome. I would hire her in a second. See, that's what I want to do eventually, too, is someone like that. The last realtor I had to try to sell this house, he didn't do anything. He didn't even take the pictures. He wanted the listing, and that's it. No, it's crap. She did a sizzle reel. You know what a sizzle reel is? I don't know what a sizzle reel is. It's like, chop, chop, chop, chop. You know, picture, image, picture, image. You know, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom of the house. Yeah. It was awesome. And she puts it out on social media. So it's like a small commercial. And it shows all the rooms and the property and the aerial thing. Oh, a drone too? Oh, we had drone pictures. Oh, nice. Yeah, you go look at the, go look at the picture. So that was all, the commission covers all that? That's all. Oh, nice. Right. How did you find her?
    55:51
    she worked with somebody else we knew. Did she come down this way? I don't think so. Okay. Anyway. Anyway, down the road. Okay, so I got some business that I got to attend to or I'll forget. All right. So we did all this up front because you're going to listen to an interview that Dave did with Eric. But I want to point out a couple of things. If you want to hear our last year's episode on Our Own Town, it's episode number 84.
    56:19
    They're going to talk about fun spots. So for you people who don't know what Fun Spot is, Fun Spot is an arcade in the central northern part of New Hampshire. Laconia. It's been there forever.
    56:33
    It's number nine episode. It's the sixth most played episode. If you want to hear our exploits, it's old. Obviously, it's almost four years old or almost five years old. Wow. That long? Four years. Okay. 2019. Right? Four years.
    56:50
    That's with Eric. So that's pretty good. And you did an interview, number 22, with Eric after, I think, InDisc out in California. I interviewed him in the one before. But just to give some perspective, because we do get new listeners, old ones. You've probably listened to it. If not, go back and listen to them. Those are some decent episodes. I would say the quantity is good in the old ones, but we have definitely improved our sound on the later ones. Yeah, we've got to work on that in the future. Yeah. We're going to be back to square one again. Yes, a little bit. We'll figure it out. Hey, I've got something else I've got to talk about. I've still got some Allentown 2 stuff. Okay, so you first. Okay, so in the Allentown Farmer's Market, I want to go back to that. Oh, we're going to talk food again. Yeah, talk some food again. I have something to talk about food. Okay. On your mind? Go ahead.
    57:42
    All right, what do you got? Jeff and Marty are talking about Texas barbecue for about 10 minutes. maybe 20 minutes before they even talked about pinball on their podcast. Wow. And basically Jeff said, Jeff Teola said, you know, F you. If you don't like what you're hearing, tune out. So, Jeff, we're in the same boat with you. We're going to talk about food. We're going to talk about beer. We're going to talk about whatever the hell we want to talk about. So, continue. So, like, as you know, you got me into this guy years ago. Yeah, the pho. The pho. Or the pha. The pha. Fa, Fa-Fo, P-Fi-Fo-Fum. The little hole in the wall, 8x8 kitchen with the, you know. Stall. Stall, which I thought was actually the grandfather and the granddaughter, but actually, no, that's husband and wife, those two. Talk about robbing the crazy. Yeah, no kidding, right?
    58:37
    So, yeah, so there were a couple. But I will say the foe was great every year, but I will say the first year I had it with you, it was awesome. But last year and this year, the quantity has gone down, the price has gone up, and now instead of a plastic bowl, it's this cardboard bowl, which kind of things get absorbed in it. Cardboard bowl? Yeah, cardboard bowl instead of plastic bowl. I don't know what that's about. Yeah, you do. It's cheaper? No. It's more green? Of course. Well, that's annoying.
    59:10
    What else would it be? Mr. Schwab. It's Pennsylvania, remember? Oh, yeah. Yeah, what's that? Yeah, Fetterman Smash.
    59:21
    I'm not going there, but I don't know what you people are watching. Or smoking. Right. Why don't you smoke? Or drinking. Or both. So the pho, or the pha, it was smaller. There wasn't a lot of broth in it. It was good. very flavorful but the price was like I don't know I think 10 bucks tell me it was 10 bucks for this little bowl it was 13 bucks yeah it was smaller it used to be like 5 bucks I know I was planning 9 bucks a couple years and it was 13 so I was like I said to Maureen this is good but it's not that good we came back home we go to a place called Fodaku downtown Framingham there's three sizes large X-large and XXL size of pho, and I get the XXL, this huge freaking bowl. Is it a cauldron? It's a cauldron. It's like they come over, and they're kind of like, it's waddling around, and it's freaking sloshing all the freaking things, and they're wanting to bring it to the table, you know. They put it down there, and this thing can serve both Maureen and I, and I think it's like 13 bucks, and it tastes 99% as good as the one in Allentown. So that's our place now. We go to that place all the time. so that was that the other thing that I tried for the first time and I definitely highly recommend people try this is unpasteurized milk I bought a bottle of unpasteurized milk and because I usually drink it it's awesome compared to my mother when I go to her place down the Cape she buys milk all the time she buys it from you know Stop and Shop or Shaw's whatever and she buys it fresh you know but it's You know, it's pasteurized stuff. Right. Open the top up. It always smells like poo. It always smells like just kind of, it just smells. It smells like poo. There should be no smell to it at all. Okay. But there's a smell to it. This smells off. You know, this smells like not appetizing. Open the top of the unpasteurized. I don't smell anything. It smells totally clean. You know you're getting laughed at, right? I'm sure they are. By all our farmer friends in the Midwest. What do they say? Damn Yankee, what the hell? I thought you laughed. No, that's what Southern Ice is. Well, no, I thought I'd be getting laughed at by the people that, you know, watch NPR and CNN or whatever, saying, oh, why are you drinking on a pasture as milk? That's dangerous. Drink oat milk or some other crap. It's not even milk. What is that? It's juice. Oats. It's oat juice. But the thing is, though, the common knowledge, you know, the point he has to make. How many more people are we going to insult today? I'm trying to get, it's a PSA. Okay. It's a PSA. on pasteurized milk, it's a live milk. It's live cultures in there. It's good for you because it's like yogurt almost because you get the active thing. People actually can't drink milk. You actually, from what I heard now, there's no medical show. From what I've heard, they can drink on pasteurized milk. You are a doctor, though. I am a doctor, you know, an official. Or am I sanctioned? I don't know. I got an honorary doctorate.
    62:24
    There is so much hate right now. I love it. I know, George. You're a little instigator. Not me. No, never. Not me set the fuse and walk away. But I am definitely going to buy more unpasteurized milk, and I am having it in my repertoire because it was really, it was tasty, and I felt energized to do it for me all day.
    62:43
    What else was there? Oh, here's another thing for the show. So I am going to, you know, I'm going to actually do a little wardrobe change for you, George. I'm going to show you something. So hold on one second so you can entertain yourself for a second. I'll be right back. I'm going to show you something. I'm going to entertain myself. Okay. upcoming on the classic pinball podcast Dave and Eric Stone will have a conversation about the tournament that took place at Allentown in early May so oh you got your new t-shirts well this is the old shirt So right before Allentown, we got these shirts done. Again, 11th hour, it's like pinball pool. We picked them up like the morning of leaving here. They finally were freaking done. You know I'm not surprised. I know. I was on them so hard to get this thing done. It's embroidered, right? That's the old one. It's like from 20 years ago. Right. Go ahead. Let's see the new one. There's a new one. Oh, it looks much better. Right? It's got the flippers and the ball and a nice script. Yeah. It says Restoration's on there. Nothing on the back? Oh, in the American flag. Look at you there, Mr. Patriot. Okay, where's mine? Yours is coming. Yours is yours. Yours is cost, George.
    64:10
    Wow! Wow, okay. We'll get even with that in a few minutes. Okay, so I get nothing. I get nothing and like it.
    64:28
    Okay, what else do you have to talk about at Allentown? Because you're going to talk about the tournament with Eric.
    64:41
    Yes. So anything else we missed, you kind of did pretty good. Did you play any games? Let's know. Oh, we played games. Did you play any games that you had on your list? Like, I really want to play. Oh, there it is. No?
    64:58
    No. Okay. So this is why I have to go to the shows, folks. You get him, Mr. Socialite. All he's doing is hanging out with all the tournament players and, you know. I'm just talking, talking, talking. Right, right, right. Sell, sell, sell. It's your business. The only time I got to play is with Eric. Well, I got the request from Grant. Grant's like, George, will you walk around and do a play-by-play like you've done at other venues? And I'm like, okay, Grant, that's a great idea. I'll do it. And then I don't go. So, sorry, Grant. And you can't rely on Dave. No, you can't rely on me. Forget it. That's George's thing. Right. Yeah, I just, I mean, I barely could even get the microphone on. I had to get bugged by Eric multiple times. Like, let's do the interview. Let's do the interview. Eric Stone came. It's like, all right. And I finally did it, like, at the end of the thing when it's all done. I just didn't feel like, you know, breaking it out in the middle of the whole show and doing it. I don't know. I just, I don't know. We're guilty of it many times. Of what? of going in with good intentions and saying, oh, we'll record. Then we get caught up and we're doing it. We've done it. Yeah. It takes you out of the moment. That's the problem. Well, we usually try to do it, but it's hard. It's hard to break away and just do it. And round up the cats, as I call it. Yeah, round up the cat. It's akin to going to a concert and having the stupid smartphone recording the whole freaking concert and you're looking at your smartphone the whole freaking time, not enjoying the show, and then you're never going to watch the freaking thing in the concert. It's never going to sound the same. But on the screen. And let me just run a little bit about concerts these days. I don't even want to even go to one of these multi-venue concerts. Oh, you're not going to see the Journey concert? I'm going to see that. Oh, of course you are. I'll see it. That's going to be smaller. But I like the days. It's a thing called Voyage. I like the days of just, I watch these old concert footage. No, you talked about this. With lighters. You already talked about this. I know. But, no, I mean, are you going to see the original band with whomever is. The little Chinese kid? No, no, he's not in it. anymore. They're going on tour again. We talked about this. I don't care. It doesn't matter. George, you can be the lead singer. Oh, terrible. How dare you, George. You done? I think I'm done.
    67:09
    T-shirt. Oh, wait a minute. One more thing. I got a shout-out to Backhand Pinball, Mark Patnode. Yes, he did the pinball play-by-play. He did the video. he did the audio, he did all the multimedia for the tourney, so he did a very good job, in fact I actually talked to him after the show and I talked about our little idea of having a little classic tournament down the road at some point, and he said he was all over it you know, so I told him what I wanted to do, in fact I told him the venue I wanted to do it it's like, when you want to do it, let me know I'll come up with you, and I'll help sell this with you, help sell it to the venue Okay.
    67:54
    Sorry I'm not going to be around. I am coming to town, though. I'm going to be here for all three nights. I'm going to be here for like four days. Okay.
    68:03
    I'm going to do my New England world tour in September. Oh, good. So we'll see what happens. Hopefully I won't be homeless. I'm going to try to line that up and figure it out, but I have buy-in from him. He'll help me do a lot of stuff. Mike Salpatro is also offering to do a little thing with me as well as Stu said he'd help out as well so I've got some people that are willing to awesome, look forward to it stay tuned see if we can pull this off oh yeah, so was I going to play oh you know what, this is a little bit of that thing a little bit from the journey you're going to tell people where to find it? yeah, so this is the backhand pinball on Twitch so you just go to the Twitch channel Backhand Pinball and it's the Allentown Pinfest show 2023. If you go to time mark 6 hours and 46 minutes in you will hear 6 hours and 46 minutes in? Yeah it's a 7 hour show. Oh so it's right at the end Right at the end. Good. So this part here is when Levy and I, so I've been trying to get behind, so here's the story. I was trying to get on the freaking mic in this three mics there for like most of the tournament. Every time that someone, that Eric or someone was playing on Pinball Pool, I wanted to get in on that and say what I did to the game. I want to do commentary because I know the game really well. I want to do commentary on the game. And, but see what I found out is they kept having people that brought multiple games. They had the guy from Common Pinball. So did Bruce Nightingale do? He wasn't. No? Didn't do any commentary? No. I think he just likes repairing and being part of it. He didn't even play in the tournament. No. He likes repairing and being part of it. That's weird. And he's working for Ivan all the time. He works for Ivan during the show. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, he's the heavy. He basically, if you don't have a wristband on, you don't belong here. Oh, no, that I know. Oh, he loves that. Oh, yeah? He likes being the enforcer. I didn't know that. That's his gig. So he was doing all that stuff.
    70:06
    But so I was like, you can actually see me on this backhand broadcast when I'm actually behind the three guys, behind the pinball guy and these other guys that are commenting. I'm like behind. I'm in shot. I'm actually commenting over them.
    70:22
    I'm the fourth commentator that doesn't really belong there. I'm going to make it happen. I don't care. You guys won't let me in. Did they finally let you in? I'm like Dave Chappelle knocking on the fricking glass. They didn't let you in. They didn't let you sit. They let me sit with you last year. I know. I even told them. Don be so quick Who that dog in the window That show I even told these guys guys hey guys as they talking hey guys if you guys want anyone to take a break that my game My friend Eric is playing the game enough. I'd like to be in that. I saw he was very forward. And even then they were saying, well, that's nice. But anyway, they kept going. I ain't getting in. They just were not going to let me in. so I finally they finally left and I saw a seat open you jumped on it Libby sat down I sat down I said hey do you mind if I go in there she said oh come on in and I saw the rig was being going over to the camera rig was being moved from Attack from Mars over to my pinball pool and Eric and I forget who else is playing against him I'll remember well you'll know who it is in a second for a tiebreaker for third and fourth I know there's so many things in my head I know No, I listened to it, too. I don't remember. Okay. So, third and fourth playoff, who's going to be the tiebreaker? And Eric picked pinball pool. And I actually told Eric, I thought you didn't want to play pinball pool. He's like, no, no, you brought the game. I'm going to play your pinball pool. I'm going to be good at it. He's like, you didn't want to play it before. That was too hard. He's like, well, I know, but I'm feeling good about it now. He's like, okay. Well, don't give it all away because he talks about it. Right. So, yeah, you'll hear about that part later. So here's the part here where I actually sit down and show people on the way and enforce my will here. All right, let me welcome Dr. Dave to the booth here. He's going to help us call this final match on his own game. Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. His awesome pinball pool. You know, the only complaint was that we made the tilt tight. And it's so hard to get the tilt exactly right. Because we're not, you know, we're playing in the tournament. We're not playing round up a round of games on these in practice to test them out. We just really try to get them right. This one maybe was a little tight. It's an all-tool game.
    72:38
    But regardless, the tilt is a little tight. I'm guessing the rappers were upset. They were. Ray Day was like, what the hell? He just walked away. Oh, yeah. Go up.
    72:50
    Sure. There's a lot of disappointment going on. hour and a half tiebreaker on adventures with Alec and somebody else. That's the epic. It was epic, but... That's Eric starting the game right now. So right now, that's Greg. Greg's saying, hey, we're going to bring Brian in and I'll be there for your presentation. It's his game.
    73:13
    Levy, sorry, Levy. Thanks, David, and we're bringing Brian back in. Dr. Dave, there he is. right? Oh yeah. So this is going to decide our third place factor here at the Alistair Hounsfield Test Run for the final. We'll get the special it too. That possibly gets 50,000 points for that.
    73:37
    How do you like the special on this? That is uh, the first ABC extra ball hit that and made the special. It's called one, but I think I changed the setting on it, so I think it's a little different now. Well, he's lit it very quick. Do it very quick, whatever he did. He had 150,000 points, we can get it.
    73:57
    I mean, that eight ball is very dangerous. So you set the stuff. Oh, yeah. We're going to play like this. So you're going to talk about it? I will. I'm going to talk about it. Big points for that. So you can go out and watch it. So watch that. It's six hours, 45 minutes in, backhand pinball Twitch channel. Watch that. It's awesome. Watch Eric play that game and freaking rock it. He actually took down my high score with a five-ball high score, easier settings. I had like 626,000. In a clutch move, he got like 750,000 points on it. And on ball two. No, he was talking about it. It's amazing. And he was crushing it. That's what I'm saying. Don't give it all away because it is... Knowing Eric and knowing how he plays, but listening to the interview this time, it's not what you would expect. Okay. It's not. Yeah. It's a little different. It's totally different. But we're going to actually get to play. You and I are going to play pinball. Yeah. I set it up. I left it exactly the same way because I jacked up the back to the hilt. I want you to explain the game to me and to the audience because... What we're playing. I've never played it. I know we've talked about it in other... It's a great system, Warren. Whatever.
    75:18
    Anything else? I think that's good for... Because I've got a couple of housekeeping items I want to talk about. Yeah, sure. That's the Allentown part of the show. I also have a... You're probably going to think of something when we're downstairs. You always do. I will. Well, it's actually upstairs. We're in the upstairs. Oh, it's up here. Oh, even better. Okay, good. Good. Okay. I have a couple of stories. Go ahead. Okay.
    75:39
    First things first. Grant, thank you. You satisfied the animal story for this episode. I've been watching Australian rules football. Don't ask me to explain it. All the Australians are like, really? Do they wear meat helmets? No, they don't wear anything.
    75:58
    They wear shorts and a t-shirt and their cleats. It's great. I love watching it. It's on Saturday nights. If you have cable, it's on Fox Sports 1 or Fox Sports 2. It's like rugby. It's kind of like that. Kind of. I explain it, and people are going to cringe in Australia. It's rugby, soccer, football, wrestling, basketball, all in one. Okay.
    76:24
    Volleyball, too, maybe. Wow. Yeah. It's the Swiss Army Night of Sports. It combines all kinds of things. I love watching it. So, anyway, the kangaroo story. He sends me a picture of this Australian rules football game going on, and a herd of kangaroos just hop on through while the game's going on. But that's not the story. So I text or email him back, and I say, do kangaroos bite?
    76:56
    And he left a laugh. They box. He said, he goes, no, they kick and scratch. I think that's worse. Yeah, they kick you. Yeah, they're strong, too. They get big legs. So they don't bite. They go back on their tail. They go back on their tail and they kick. Yeah, it'd be like a horse kicking you or worse. The reason why I saw it, I saw it on a Bugs Bunny cartoon once. That's how I know. That's where we get all our information. Exactly. So that's one. Two, I actually got an email. No way. I did. Oh, how come? Come on. How come you didn't access the page? Damn it.
    77:31
    Stupid iPad. Yeah, stupid iPad. Hang on. I got to look at it. I'll talk about something else while I'm looking it up.
    77:40
    I can just say it. Okay. I was contacted by the owner of Ocelot Brewery in Virginia. And he said, hey, somebody tipped me off and told me that you talked about my brewery. All right. So he's like, hey, you know, next time you're in town, come by. And I said, well, the next time I'm in town, it's going to be permanent. I'm going to stop moving. So, you know, I'm hoping that, you know, you'd like to talk about your brewery, beer, and pinball and like to be interviewed. So, Matt at Ocelot. All right. An upcomer. Cool. That was a fun place to play.
    78:19
    All new school pins? Are there any old school pins? There was some old school stuff I talked about in one of our recent episodes. Don't ask me. I don't remember. But I remember playing Bond there and Scooby-Doo. Those are the ones I remember. Um, did you, did I tell you that, oh, I don't have that either.
    78:40
    Okay. I'll show it to you later. Do you know what a pin mover is? There's a couple different pin movers. Right. But this one's called the pin mover. It's the. Oh, you were talking about this. It's the least expensive one. Okay. It's like 1600 bucks. Okay.
    78:55
    It's got tank treads on it. It's good for home use. I mean, you know, an XLR would be nice, but I'm not paying three or four grand. I don't need that. There's one even above that that's really better. I don't need that. I just need something that's not going to break my back. Hauls up to 600 pounds. So I'm going to buy one. And when I move, I'm going to move all my pinballs with this thing. I think it's going to make my life a lot easier. Sounds like it. So that's another housekeeping thing. Let's talk about something that's upcoming. Okay. So you're going away for two weeks, staying at your mom's down in Cape Cod. Yes. But after that, you're going to host an event.
    79:34
    Yes. Memorial Day. Right. Yeah. My going away party, right? Yes. Maybe. What do you mean maybe? It's supposed to be a surprise, George.
    79:46
    You're a good liar. Anyway. No, it's not my going away party. But I will see everybody that I'm probably not going to see unless they come visit me. Yeah. Or they go to Pintastic. So, that's all I got. I think I got everything off my list. I get to show you some, well, I get some other Allentown stuff to show you as well. I just looked at my pictures and I'm like, oh, yeah, that too. I played an awesome Old Chicago while I was there. My buddy couldn't give away that back glass. Jack was trying to sell that two years ago. Look at the repaint on that. He did a custom repaint. That's not the real graphic. He also chromed everything. Nice looking game.
    80:31
    Somebody just brought that to play? They brought that to play. Not sale. Yeah, sale. They wanted $3,500 for that one. With stupid black rubber on it. Why would you put black rubber on an EM? I don't get people. Why would you do that? What did I play recently?
    80:47
    Oh, the Foo Fighters. I had all black rubber on it. Well, yeah, because it's Stern. No, I know. Stern does that. Jersey Jack does not. They use clear like you're supposed to.
    80:57
    Anyway. So that's the Rolling Stones I got there. Not bad. Well, maybe not. Maybe I won't see it eventually. We did a show on it.
    81:08
    We've done that one before. There's my pinball pool in the lineup right there. Okay. Chicago Corners. Oh, here's a horrible centaur with all red light everywhere. Instead of like white light for everything, thing, he put red lights everywhere. It looked like bloody red centaur, like centaur with blood all over it. Just god-awful. So whoever made that one, I don't know, I'm not a fan, obviously. It looks horrible. I'm not holding back. The backlash looks horrible. And he had a price thing on it that said $1 million.
    81:41
    No, wait, wait, wait. What is that? $1 billion? That's a billion. Yeah, $1 billion. Yeah, that's a billion. $1 billion, yeah. So he didn't want to sell it, but he wasn't going to sell it. No more $1 billion. I was buying that thing.
    81:53
    Let's see what else we had here. Oh, there's the Pulp Fiction being played. We get that there. Okay. That's Maureen playing that.
    81:59
    Let's see. We had, oh, here's the Gorgar heart. Here's the Gorgar I bought. Look how nice that Gorgar is.
    82:06
    When's that going away? After you get done doing the flippers? It's going to stay for a while. You actually can, I should actually, well, I could put this up for a little party. Maybe. I don't know if it's Gorgar, though. I know, really? Yeah, exactly. What are your better games? I could have bought this game. Do you even know what you're going to have set up for the party? Anything that we haven't played in a long time?
    82:27
    Like an old Stern? I could do like a, I could do a Stars. Yeah, but we played that at Mike's house. Yeah, but it's not my Stars. No, I understand. I like mine better. Sorry, Mike. I like yours like mine. Since I, you know, a dad is very proud of his child. You know what I'm saying? So that's how that goes. Yeah, but we talked about, what game did we, When we were talking with Keith Elwin, we kept saying, oh, yeah, you've got to set that game back up. Nine ball? Oh, nine ball, yeah. Nine ball? What was the other one? Nine ball, you've got to set up. He was jonesing on the nine ball. He liked the nine ball. Who was? Elwin. Oh, yeah. See, but I need the time, though. Right now, Elwin. Well, here's the thing. You're not setting it up. If I stay the full time at Mother's house, I'm going to have two days to get ready for the party. Not enough time. What set up is set up? Yeah, but I've got the pinball pool set up as you get to play. That's in tournament mode, so that'll be fun.
    83:22
    I'll probably have, what else do I have down there? What are you going to do for a tournament? Because I have a suggestion.
    83:28
    All right, I can, go ahead, what do you got? What do you think? Well, it's the tournament I played in, and I had never played in the head-to-head.
    83:35
    Basically, you establish the number of rounds, so you make it odd. Five, seven, nine, whatever, right? You play head-to-head, match. Okay. Winner gets a point, loser gets zero. and I don't know how they randomly pick or assign the people but you could do a card you could do anything that's easy if you're the TD you can make it so but it's easy you play against somebody you know right away you either get one or zero it's no complicated formula three five four none of that you either get one or zero how many games did you play with that person? I made it to seven and then gave up because after I lost on skateball I just put the tail between my legs So you're saying best two out of three or best seven out of one? Just one. One game. Match. And then what happens to you? You go back and everybody plays their one game. You go back. And then everybody goes back and you have another match against somebody else. Oh, so you don't get a chance to, like, dial into a game. No, but what you get to do is if you have, say you have ten players. Yeah. You're only using five games at a time. So five are open. So when they're done, everybody goes back in the pool again and you play each other. Match play. so I played like all the best players in DC that's why I got my head to me except the person who just registered and annihilated me on skateboard I was done and they have good beer there too Sticky Fingers was the one that I was drinking an IPA that's a good sorry I didn't bring any because I drank it all hold on a second yeah really where's mine No, no, no. Here's what I tried to do. No, I really did make an effort. Bartender, bartender. No, no, no. I made an effort at all these places.
    85:22
    There was a West Coast on tap, but they didn't can it. So every time I go in, I'm like, oh, he likes the West Coast. Let me see if they have one in the can. Speaking of West Coast, when I went to the different restaurants around Pennsylvania, which, I don't know. I'm sorry, Pennsylvania, but your restaurants are kind of crappy. I cannot find a good restaurant there. it's just like, it's crap compared to here I can throw a stick and throw a rock and hit any good restaurant, around there you're paying good money, it's just okay and I'm looking for trogues on tap only one place had it I found one place that had trogues or petrol on tap it's like, alright, get to have it fresh and that was great, in one little place we went to but I went to go have some I figured, you know what, let's try to eat healthy we ate some crappy stuff, you know, some barbecue crap and this and that, outside this restaurant It's not that good. Some barbecue. It's just, I don't know, GMO crap.
    86:19
    Try to eat healthy. You know, I know. What's healthy? Pho is healthy. Some pho pho, some soup. I'll just Google that. I found a bunch of different Vietnamese places that serve it. Okay, let's go to one place called, I want to say it's Pho-licious or Pho something. Something, you know, and it looked like it was a good rating of 4.4 out of 5. It's like, all right, we'll try that. I had that was like just not that good and then we had the rice they did no we even left it we didn't even we said we want to take home it's like no we didn't like it so I think they took it off the boat we didn't like it we didn't we saw people sitting down they're going to have we've been here yesterday we're going to have some more it's like you guys have no taste you guys don't know what a real restaurant is this is junk so I don't know sorry Pennsylvania but I'm not really sorry at all sorry not sorry you know up your game you know Get some good restaurants. Once you come out here, it's a different story over in Massachusetts.
    87:21
    This is the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is Dave, Dr. Dave. And George would like to be here, but he was called away. So I am at the Allentown Pin Fest 2023. and had an awesome tournament that Eric Stone did pretty well at. I brought my pinball pool here that I restored as part of the lineup. I think a lineup of 18 games, I believe. You play 12 on a ticket.
    87:54
    And I got Eric Stone right here. Say hello, Eric. Hey, hello. What a fun weekend it was. I finished exactly in the same spot as I did last year, third place. Pretty cool. So how did it all, how it all shook out? Well, I played the qualifying games. I played the older ones first, and I finished with the modern sterns.
    88:20
    I qualified third place out of 131 people. So that gave me a first-round buy, and then I had, so that put me in the top 16. And the first game of Rush I won. Then I started to have some bad luck with house balls in the next game of Flash Gordon. And then I had to come back to get over 200,000 points on ball five on Dragon, a very hard-playing Dragon. And we're talking the Interflip Dragon. Interflip Dragon, not the Godly Dragon. Right, the EM Dragon. Yep. So the next round I started out, and we played Attack from Mars, and I ruled the universe on a three-ball game on the Attack from Mars. With some tight tilts, right? Oh, my gosh, very tight. So I had like $39 billion. And then I play whirlwind, and I get two house balls. So once again, I go four and zero. So the next game was pinball pool because we picked banks. So we don't pick individual games. New game, an older game, and kind of in the middle. So I thought, geez, Dave, I'm really going to kick your butt if your game knocks me out. Well, Chris Stevens put up 400-something thousand the first ball, and I needed to pretty much win the game. But then I put up $450,000 the first ball, and after two balls I had $715,000. And you want to talk about a tight tilt. Some people, Dave, as you saw, were flipping hard, and the game was tilting. Yep. Some people were actually plunging, just plunging the ball and tilting, right? On the Avengers they did, yes. And they actually got danger, danger tilt on plunging Avengers. But on pinball pool, yes, it was a very, very tight tilt. The first game of the finals, the top 16 that everybody played, everybody tilted, all four players. And Raymond Davidson was in there and some other people. But anyway, I managed to win pinball pool, so I blew it up. So I went 4-0-4 and then 4-0-4. So then in the final four, two balls of Led Zeppelin, I plunged and they went in the out lane without being able to flip. So that game was over. And then we played stars, and the same thing happened. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, you've got to be kidding me. The first ball, I plunge, and it goes out the out lane. The second ball, I think I got one flip. What is that? Oh, it's a B. Yeah, well, that's a big B. That's a big B. I think it's a nice, you like Bs? I'm not crazy about bigs. That looks like a hornet, dude. Is it? Is it a white face on it? Oh, well, let's go this way. Let's get the heck out of here.
    90:53
    There's always something. I know. I see that. Let's go. Oh, no, it's following us. Look, it's right there. You're kidding me. You must love pinball. I think so. I don't know what's going on here.
    91:06
    There's always something with you and me. Throughout the years, it's been, what, 24 years, I believe, that I've known you now. I think that's some kind of bee hater or something. I don't know. Gosh, I don't believe it. Anyway, so, stars, first ball, no flip. Second ball, one flip. and that was pretty much it because everybody was really playing that game well. I didn't really get a chance to play it. So basically it was 5-5-4-0, and we played Surf and Safari.
    91:37
    And the only way that I could force a tiebreaker was to win Surf and Safari, and Jeff Teola's coming in dead last to force a tiebreaker. And Raymond Davidson put up about $72 million on Surf and Safari, which is a ridiculous score. And I was player four, and somehow I wound up beating him. And so I forced a tiebreaker. And guess what the tiebreaker was on? It was on your pinball pool. Which was awesome because I was trying to get on the mic. I was trying to get on the broadcast with Mark's setup, you know. And, you know, the thing was full. It said, oh, well, no, people want to be on here. They're already set up. And they're like, well, can I just get in here? I want to do it for Eric and broadcast on my game, this and that. So finally, Levi said, you know what, jump in. You can jump in. Go ahead. It's your game. It's cool. Go ahead. I'll just go and do something else. So it was great. So I got to comment on it while you were playing. It was fantastic. So I brought this game, so I wanted people to enjoy this game. It's even better that Eric is actually going to play on it and play on it on a pivotal moment as well. So all the stars were aligned, and truly God blessed us on the whole thing. So that was really cool. Yeah, and speaking of that, I mean, there was a lot of praying going on, I tell you. When I was playing pinball pool, actually when I was playing Dragon, and I was on ball five and I needed a little over $200,000 on ball five, I'm like, oh, God, this is so hard. Please give me the strength, somehow, luck, anything. And I did. And then when I was playing pinball pool, see, I don't know if I've ever played that game my whole life. So I'm not really sure if I've ever, you know, I mean, I knew the rules. We went over the rules the other day. But I didn't really know where the shots were, and I didn't know this and that. And next thing you know, I cleared the pool balls down, what, two or three times. Yeah. It was crazy. Yep. You get in the saucer, you get the multipliers, too, right? And the clag bonus. Yep. And the special, too, $50,000. Well, the special didn't come until after the $400,000 first ball, $450,000. And so here we go to pinball pool again, and I thought, okay, you know, I got to choose, by the way. I don't know if you know that. Yeah. I got to choose a tiebreaker game. And it was, you had to pick an older game. It was either Stars, I think Dragon Fist, Pinball Pool. No, no, no, Stars, Dragon, Pinball Pool, and Mini Pool. Yeah, the old games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, well, obviously I'm going to pick Pinball Pool because I blew it up. And my first ball was over $300,000. And he didn't even get $300,000. He wasn't even, I don't even think he got $200,000. So either way, I came from the dead on Servant Safari to force a tiebreaker for fourth for third. And it was like, okay, well, that's why I always say if you're mathematically not out of it, you never give up because you never know what might happen. And Ray putting up $44 million on the first ball on Servant Safari, and then I come up right after, and it was like, all right, I know what to do to get that, and I put up $46 million. and then he puts up 50-something, 53, and I put up 57. And then he puts up 72, and then I put up 73 in the ball because I was player four. And it's like you never give up because that one spot, it earns you $100, but it earns you points. You know, my rating is still number one in the world. Oh, yeah. Praise God. So, you know, God really blessed me with this. And so that's why I do a lot of praying because I know it works. And, you know, I didn't win, but at least I made the top four, and I wanted to make the top four so I could take home some sort of hardware that I could, you know, go back on TV as I do the weather down in Tampa and, you know, put a story together. The spiritual person always told me years ago, and it's so true, it's like when the praises go up, the blessings come down. Right, right. And that's what happened to you, I think. Right, and the thing is, you know, it doesn't always happen, and it doesn't always happen right away. And God isn't Santa Claus. Right, exactly, exactly. But, you know, when it does happen, I'm thankful for it, and I continue to praise God for it. And, you know, you look at all the blessings and world championships and all sorts of stuff that God blessed me with in pinball at a late age, really. Even though I played since I was four, I didn't really start playing hardcore competitively until 40. And this is when I kept bugging you for years, like, dude, you've got to play with, you know, I saw Keith Owen, Bo and Neil Schatz, All these guys are doing really well out there. And I said, you're at least as good as these guys. Well, and the whole thing is, I didn't even know that they had these organized tournaments back then. All I knew is Walter Day came along in 1999 and came to Fun Spot. And he said, oh, yeah, all these pit balls have world records. And I would go down the line, okay, what's the world record on this? Okay, get it. Now, what's the world record on this? Okay. And then I'd just go down the line. And I think I met you in the middle of playing my two. I played Grand Lizard for four hours, or three and a half hours, and High Speed for four hours.
    96:29
    Grand Lizard was 69 million. High Speed was like 44 million. And those were official world records. They still are today. And I think that's when we met. And I don't know if you remember, all my figures were twitching. We played 12 hours straight. Yeah, yeah. And my hands were going, you guys can't see it. But my figures were all moving, all ten of them at the same time. And I wasn't even doing a thing. It was like, oh, boy, I think I played too much pinball today. But I sent a lot of world records. Nice. Is there such a thing as playing too much pinball? I guess there is. No.
    96:56
    My problem is I work the weekends. No. So it's really hard for me to get out to these tournaments. So it's like I feel that I have to pretty much come to the top four to make it worth it because I need the points for the circuit event. I need the points to keep my ranking at least on the front page in the top 25. But if I could play as much as a lot of other people do, if I could go to District 82 and play seven tournaments in four days, Oh, man, I'd be right back up there just like I was when I was ranked number one during COVID. That was kind of cool. Yeah, yeah. It was only for a few weeks, but hey. But my rating, which is based on consistency, I try to keep that at number one. And if I can do that, then I know I'm doing something. And you've always told me I was the best. The way I look at it, I'm definitely one of the best. I don't know if there is the best. Keith, that was very good. You're at least a contender. Let's say that. You're at least a contender. Okay. In your opinion, yeah. Maybe others too. There's a bunch of people in that realm of people that are really good at this game. You're in there. Yes, yes. I mean, definitely elite players that can rule the universe on three balls on a remake in the finals of a tournament. I never thought I'd even be able to do that. And even on the pinball pool I had, you actually got the highest score to date on that last game. On a five-ball game. It was a three-ball game. Right, right. But the highest score to date on a five-ball game, I got that in two balls because I plunged the last ball. And you wanted me to play the third ball because I was playing four. I was getting over a million points. You wanted me to roll it, and I thought that would probably not be the best move because they want the tournament to move along. They were waiting for us because of my attack from Mars 30-minute game or whatever we played. Okay. So it was like, well, that kind of would have been a, you know, not the best move. Gotcha. But, you know. With that pinball pool, I mean, I made the tilt really tight because they said when, you know, setting up, well, have all these, like, you know, hard settings, which I did, and make the tilt really tight, which I did. But on this pinball pool, when you put either a Pascal board or a Neon board in it, the tilt doesn't play well with it, and you can actually tilt the crap out of the game. You can dance with the game, and it won't tilt. So I wanted to make sure this thing was going to do it, So I had to do a lot of research on pin side. Some engineers commented on there. So I did what they did, and I modified a little Schottky diode and a capacitor in there, and things were good to go, and it made a nice tilt, but it was so tight a tilt that he would actually touch the button the wrong way and tilt, you know? Yeah, I mean, you know, if this was the IFPA World Championship, Josh Schott probably would have loosened it just a little bit because we don't want – I mean, I actually never tilted the gauge, and that says a lot. But the one thing that people don't know about me is that I can adjust, and I'm hard on the games. Ever since I was a kid, I would push my mom as much as I could until I knew she was on the edge of really getting mad, and then I'd shut up. Well, it's the same thing with pinball. I know how to play it to where I can get away with just enough, but if it's a real tight tilt, So I just play it very, very, I don't know how to say it, but softly. But I was still making some really good saves on the tip of the flipper. Right. And not doing slap saves, but just kind of doing the push-two-button saves. And so I never tilled it out, but just about everyone else that I saw did. And, you know, that made me very weary of even trying to flip hard, which I usually don't do anyway. It was very controlled, as you saw. Yeah, I saw. A lot of catches, drop catches, live catches, a lot of accuracy hitting the drop targets.
    100:44
    And then whenever I could get the saucers up there for the multipliers, you know, that was nice, too. That was great. I saw a lot of good play on that game towards the end. When the chips were down, you and a couple other players actually really came alive and actually got, you know, 304 or 500. And then you were for the 762, I think you got finally, right? Something like that? Well, it was 715 after two balls. Yeah, who knows what the final score would have been. But, you know, when Chris Stevens got 425 on the first ball, and then I put up 450, it turns out player one, which was David... The local guy, right? Yeah, yeah. He got up to 402 on the third ball, but then he tilted. Third place. Yeah, thanks. It was tough. I had a lot of games where I didn't get to flip, but the games I did get to flip, I just demolished. You were very vocal. I'm always vocal.
    101:42
    I'm always vocal. I'm very passionate. Me too. I just don't have the skills anymore, but I still enjoy playing. Well, congratulations, Randy. Well, thanks very much. I appreciate it.
    101:53
    I hung around a little behind you. Oh, that's okay. Yeah. I like it. And so, you know, I don't know if I ever told you on your podcast that we stream at a place called Bat Cave Pinball down in Lakeland, Florida. Okay. So if you go to twitch.tv slash Bat Cave Pinball, and it's spelled just like Bat Cave Pinball. The Bat Cave, like Batman and Robin. Yep. Yeah. And we, you know, I try to stream every Monday if there's no tournament or if the guy, sometimes the guy goes out of town. But we're starting to put some of the videos on YouTube. This guy has got a good 115 games in his collection. All the Sterns are LEs, pretty much. Jersey Jacks are CEs. Just about all the American pinball machines. And so he's got Big Lebowski, Alien LE, Wheat Queens coming, Cactus Canyon LE. He's got a lot of the really great games. Old school, too, or just all new school? He's got some old school. He's got Countdown is the game that started his collection when he was a kid. He remember playing System 1. Yeah, the game. And then he bought, and then he went from that to Munsters. Then he went to Funhaus. Wow. And then all of a sudden, he's got this warehouse full of all these games. And the thing is, I playtest every one of the games.
    103:15
    Every time there's a flipper hop, I tell him, and he gets rid of it. And he fixes it. Yeah. If there's a scoop like Led Zeppelin where you hit it and it pops out, he fixes it. So he does it or Tech does it? No, he has taken it around long enough to be able to just do these little fixes. Oh, good. Cool. Like on the Kiss pinball, the new one, the head kept, the ball wasn't staying in the head. The kicker wouldn't kick it up. And he took that head apart and he says, I worked 30 hours on this and blah, blah, until I got it right. The house on Elvira, he got the 40th edition anniversary. It would reject every four or five times when you hit it in the house. And he took that thing apart. He said, 20 hours I worked on this. And I'm telling you, Eric, I got it going right now. And his name's Dave, too. But this guy really cares. He really cares about it. He likes the old school games, too. But the problem is, you know, he got a Centaur. And there's been so many things wrong with it. Yeah, can be. There's a lot of nuances with fixing the game the right way. You know, he's like, all the old games caused me problems. Yep. You know, and he says it's just easier buying the new games. If I haven't paid for a flight to come down, I'll have him come up. I know. I'll fix him up nice. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he would. I'll tweak him out. But, you know, you've got to come down there anyway just to check it out. And like I said, you know, it's in Lakeland, Florida. Free play Florida this year is going to be a seven-minute drive. It's going to be a seven-minute drive away from this guy. So I'm hoping that I can introduce a lot of people to this amazing, I mean, it might be 120 games. I don't even know what he's up to now. It's crazy. That'd be cool. And you walk in, you're like, oh, my God, this place is amazing. So I don't know how we got on that subject. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, yeah.
    105:02
    Back to some of the old school games playing, because it's a classic pinball podcast, of course. Yeah. When I had the pinball pool and the mini pool was in there. And what other old school? There was the Stargazer in there. Dragon and Dragon Fist. Dragon and Dragon Fist were in there. I played all of them. I did not play Mini Pool, and I did not play Dragon Fist. Mini Pool was very tilty, too. I was watching people flip on Mini Pool and tilt. And you would lose two balls. You'd lose that ball plus one more. And it was like, no, no way. And Dragon Fist, I just don't know the rules that well. I know the rules, maybe I just don't know the strategy. and I got beat by Brian O'Deal in Pintastic, which he reminded me this year. He was commenting on the, he was like one of the commentary guys, right, today? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's from New Hampshire. Yeah. Portsmouth. Yep. In fact, he invited me over. I went over there last summer, me and Craig. Yeah, I was watching it. You did the live stream for me, I think, right? Cactus Canyon, I think we did. Yeah I pretty sure But anyway so yeah so I not too keen or I don really know Dragon Fist like the nuances and all So I didn want to play that game And like I said, Mini-Pool, I just watched people tilt just from flipping. It was like, this is, no. Who are the two guys? So it's Levy and who else runs this? Greg. Greg Pavarelli. So I was really happy at the end of it when they were paying me by a little, you know, you get paid a little bit of dough for bringing a game. They said, you know, here's your money and thanks for bringing, you know, a crowd favorite game. Your game was a crowd favorite. I was really happy to hear that. Well, you know why? I mean, because of how well it plays, too. Yeah. I don't think anybody had any maintenance issues on that game. No, there was nothing. Throughout the whole weekend. Yeah. And, I mean, going to your house way back in 1999, I was like, wow, these games are amazing.
    106:53
    And through the years. So, I didn't have any doubt that the game wouldn't be able to hold up. Yeah. I knew it would hold up. And hopefully you'll bring it next year. Yeah, they actually said they'll bring it again next year. So I'm thinking I'll either bring that one or I might bring something else that's equally as all tweaked out. You know what you could do? You could bring two games and then say that one was a game that I brought. And that way I could get it. Isn't that amazing?
    107:20
    I thought I'd try to get my wife Maureen in first. I think she kind of, you know. I'm teasing you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But you know what? I do have this new sponsor here called Taz Pinball. Oh, yeah. And if you go to Taz Pinball, T-A-Z, Pinball on Instagram and all the social media, he does interviews with pinball players. He runs a Flip Frenzy in Orlando just outside, and he does it for free.
    107:50
    It's free to enter. It's only a one-hour tournament. It's not IFPA. Okay. But he wants to get people that are not that good, amateur players, kids. and bring people in and not have it worth points so that he can, you know, promote the sport of pinball. And, you know, he came up to me several months ago and he said, hey, you know, you know a lot of people in the pinball world and, you know, I want to sponsor you and, you know, he paid my way to come here and he's paid my way to go to Germany for the world championship. Nice. Yeah. And so, you know, it's really cool. And then my friend Norma, which passed away of cancer, We talked about it earlier. Yeah, yeah. Her family wanted to pay the tournament fees, which was, you know, quite a bit, several hundred dollars. Sure. So, you know, God really blessed me with a lot of different people. And it's pretty cool, the pinball family, including you. Yeah, yeah. Same here. It's all good. You know, a lot of good people here. You're definitely a top-notch man. And this was like a really good, this was one of the best pin fest I've had in years with the amount of attendance, the amount of games, the quality games, and actually the amount. And I got to play Pulp Fiction, got to play Foo Fighters, and I played Tank Force 1 as for new stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I bought a really nice Gorgar with a hardtop, and I bought a Valley Rolling Stones while I was here. Had to find a ride for both homes. I was bringing it home to the pinball pool. But there's tons of good... You know, my wife and I, we come down here every year, and we stay a day ahead of time to chill out, do the whole tournament and do the whole show, and then stay a day afterwards and kind of chill out. It's just a nice time here in Allentown. Well, what was nice is I was able to fly up to New Hampshire on Wednesday and see my parents.
    109:45
    And then Craig, you know, my buddy that owns that taxi company that I drive the taxi for every now and then, that I grew up with, really. Him and I drove down here Wednesday night after blowing up some games at Fun Spot. Yep. Nice. Oh, that's another thing. You know, Fun Spot. Fun Spot's starting to. Yeah, they got a new tech, I think. That's really good. Yeah. They're starting to like the Black Knight, the old game.
    110:08
    It's got a new play field. Cyclone looks like it has a new play field. And new ramp, plastics. Wow. Changing the game up. Good. I think Xenon was another one. Yep. There's a lot of. And they finally bought new pinballs for the first time in 20-something years. No, I think they've actually found that pinball is back and it keeps going. People keep hearing about it. It's on TV. It's in movies. And it's hot right now, so they've got to grab the trend. It's small. Well, it's good. I try to get the owners of the arcades at Wears Beach. And they want to, but, you know, it just hasn't happened. But Fuzzbot got a Mandalorian and a James Bond, which is crazy considering the newest game they have. And the only third they have is a Monopoly. Isn't that crazy? From early 2000s. That's a while ago. And they bought premiums. So they got a Mandalorian and a James Bond premium. It's like, whoa, you went from nothing. And they told me they're going to get two new games every single year combined with the 35 or 40 classic machines they have there. Yeah, great. And you can tell that they're starting to really put a lot of effort and care about pinball, which is great. You know what I mean? Because you and I have been there so many times, and there was a lot of things that were broke and all. Yeah. But give them another chance if people listening haven't gone for a little while. Yeah, we've got to go up there again. And, yeah, I get a few tokens if you need, Jake. Yeah, I heard you have a few tokens there. Yeah. I heard you coined the market on tokens, actually. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, maybe around 100,000. Right.
    111:47
    If all of those were gold, you'd be a multimillionaire at this point. Well, if they do, I had all those tokens. Anyway. Yeah, that's another story. Well, George, we miss you here at this pin fest this time around, and hopefully you're going to make next time around. I know you had a lot of house issues going on this time around. And Grant from Australia, you've got to make a flight sometime here. I think you'd enjoy yourself as well. But this was a great pin fest, 2023. And it was awesome talking to Eric Stone here. Yeah. He was so close to placing first, but he got top four, so it was good. The high score on Led Zeppelin, to give you an idea of how hard it was playing, no rubbers, no ball save. It was only six million. That's nothing. Yeah. But I only got to play one ball, and it was very brief, and I had one million. Yeah, wow. And I'm very good at Led Zeppelin. Yeah. So if I just, let's put it this way. Not one of the four players started a multi-ball in Led Zeppelin, all game.
    112:50
    And that is hard when you're considering a, you know, stern new, right? So had I started a multi-ball and took a four on that, it would have been like every other round. It could have been 4-0-4, and I could have won the tournament. But instead, I had two games where I had multiple house balls instead of just one to where it was like, darn, you know, what bad luck. But at least, you know, don't let it bother you. At least you can still come in third. All right, try to do it. Even though it looks like the chips are down and, you know, the tiebreaker and here and there and your pinball pool, and there it was. So Pintastic will be the next time that you'll see me. Yeah. And a shout-out, too, to Mark Pattenoad. Oh, yeah. Who did an awesome job back in pinball on Twitch. And he does all these streaming events, does a real nice job, has a lot of nice equipment. And he's been doing a lot more of these, and he's really making a good name for himself. He has attention to detail and a super nice guy. Yeah. So good working with him again. He's going to also be at Pintastic coming up. Yeah, he was up in Portland, Maine. Yeah. I think running for Arcadia or something like that. When you say running, he actually is running. He runs around to make things right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really nice guy. He does a really good job.
    114:01
    It's cool. I think he'll be doing more Stern Circuit events in the future. Yeah, I think so. But yeah, twitch.tv slash Backhand Pinball.
    114:10
    Definitely for Pintastic and who knows what else. I can't wait to watch the replay of all this stuff. I did some color commentary for the last game on Pinball Pool. I want to see that and see how that came out and made some little snappy comments. So, stay on that ghost. Well, good. Yeah. I always like to watch, especially when Levy's in there because he's a character. Oh, yeah. He was actually like, when he was doing his little emceeing, he was almost like WrestleMania 57 or something. I know. Yeah. They're funny characters, him and Greg, but I love them. Yeah. You know, they run good tournaments. You know, they're real smooth. So, I still haven't made it to New York City Pinball Championships yet. But just, again, working on the weekends, I have to pick and choose what I can do. And this is an easy tournament because it ends Saturday evening. Yeah. So I can get back to work Sunday. So right now you're hearing all the background noise. That's all the games being loaded up and trucks being loaded up with all these games now. It's like fall here. We came here with spring with games coming in, and now it's like the fall. All the games are leaving. Although the weather's starting to feel more like spring. It is like spring, so that's a good thing. But when I get to Florida, it'll be 87 degrees and nice and sunny. There you go. So definitely looking forward to that. Yeah. Well, cool. This is Dr. Dave and Eric Stone, EJS. The initials you see in the pinball machines, many on mine, which I need to take down at some point. But, see, I'll keep trying. Well, I was disappointed because Pinball Pool didn't let me put my initials in. It would have, but I kind of... Oh, did you turn it off? I turned it off. Oh, man. Well, you're just like anybody else. Oh, Eric's got too many high scores. We're not going to let him put his initials in. That sucks. Oh, you know, I've got to keep that thing going like that. Next time I play it, we'll have to set the score to 715,000, and then I'll play ball three. Yeah. And then whatever I finish with, we'll do, you know, I'll just put my initials on it. Because my pinball pool does have a million-point scoring, so you actually see a million points on it. Yeah, there's a genie in Fort Myers that I almost rolled it twice. I think I got a million eight somewhere around there.
    116:10
    I like the Pascal board, definitely. Yeah, Pascal's a great board. Yeah. He's in an all-mic system once. So, yeah, so that's it. Dr. Dave, another pin fest is in the books.
    116:23
    Take it easy, guys. God bless. So we're standing in front of Dave's pinball pool. It is upstairs, room with the other games you've heard about. Room with a view, yeah. We've got blackjack next to this and a flash court and a fathom and an inkball deluxe all in a row here. I just set this pinball pool up fresh from the Allentown tournament, and I kept all the settings the same way. Hard tournament settings, hard tilt. Look how high the thing is jacked up in the back. That's the extra long stem.
    116:54
    I just noticed that. This is the same like six degree tilt that a ramp game would have. So it flies. Who was the designer? Do you know any of the background? Yeah, it is that Krinsky fella. Ed Krinsky? Yeah. Yeah, Ed Krinsky. And who else is on here? There it is. I've got it over here somewhere. We have Ed Krenschke and Gordon Morrison. That's why. That's the dynamic duo right there. So 7,200 units?
    117:25
    Yep. Can you click on that right there? Yeah, sure. Let's see. The flyer. The flyer front. Let's see what it says. Player appeal. Reliability. One above reliability. I think they kind of went a little too far with that. Let me read off the flyer. features terrific new remote trip. Oh, that's true. They have remote trip drop targets. That's really cool. It's almost like on 8-Ball Deluxe where they have automatically targets for the dog on themselves. It flips the target down. So if you get a target down on the right, it takes the target down on the left. It's a posing one. So you don't have to get all the targets down until you get down this side. Is that how you have this set up? Yeah. So you don't have to hit all 15 targets? You only have to hit half of them? Half of them, yep. But you might get to make it a couple down here. Can you make that setting if you want to hit them all then? Probably not. You probably can. There's a setting in here. I actually found out the hard way when I was setting this game up. Eric Stone found this. This has an EM holdover from the EM days. It has a little Jones plug thing in the play field that usually a solid state would not have. You've got to move it from the three ball to five ball to get that. This thing has software in it. You set it for three ball, five ball. But you have to match it, because I didn't have it matched. I had this game on five ball, five ball, and I put the three ball in the software, left the five ball setting here, and was doing some weird things. Like, Eric knows, like, this isn't playing right before we were going to play, when we were setting the game up, because I would only get the odd number targets would take on the odd number over here, but it would leave some targets up. Like, some targets wouldn't remotely fire, because I think on five ball setting, it makes it harder to do. On three-ball setting, it makes it remote trip, so you don't have to work as hard to get these targets down because you only have three levels. That's what I'm asking. On five-balls, it makes it so that you've got to do more things.
    119:21
    Okay, two kick-out holes and two rollovers advance bonus up to 5X. Bonus raised by each ball hit. Making ABC, we did this, ABC lights captive ball feature for extra ball. Hitting ABC in 8-ball lights holes for special scores. Right. And the kick-out holes score a bonus when all pool balls are hit. Okay, we've got to play. This is good. It's a great little game. It's a great tournament game. Yeah, and I'm not usually a big Gottlieb System 1 fan, but this looks like a fun game. Well, you know why, George? Because you cut your teeth early on a system one before you actually knew about these Pascal boards. That's a long time ago. So you were like swearing at the thing. These things suck. And they did. The board set sucked from Godley. But now that the Pascal's in there, these are great games.
    120:10
    So, here we go. We're at the Allentown Tournament, George. Everybody else has gone home, and we're still here at the tournament. Let's see what we can do. Let me take down Eric's coach. As I said to Stephanie Traub when I played her, I said, just be gentle. Be gentle. And then she just said, I know what she said, nope. Nope. Don't think so. And she drilled me. Speaking of drill, notice the robot there, what he's doing. Yeah, he's drilling. He's drilling.
    120:40
    And it's not for oil. No, not for oil. I put those blinkers just right. The cool thing is, though, instead of having the ability to change the lanes up top with a flipper, you actually have to roll over a rollover to do that, which I think is pretty cool. Yeah, it is pretty cool. Oh, I got up there. Wow, cool. That's a hard shot. Yeah, it is hard to get up there like that. Now if I can get that... So you really need... I want that rollover. I want that green rollover. Okay, I'm going to watch you hit... ooh, floppa! Um...
    121:16
    I want to see you hit one of the targets so we both go... Oh, the rear! Wow. Okay. The most carry there. Yeah. Okay. Oh, I'm so... look at it. See that? The hardest. See, it's really... it's... Oh, you're doing pretty well so far, but yeah, because of the steepness, that is a hard bumper shot to get back up to those lanes. It is. Oh, there you go. Nice nudge. Now we get an extra ball shot. Okay, so now we've got the center. Do you call that a boop ball? I think that could be a boop ball. The eighth ball in the center is a boop. A boop. Not a foop. A boop. Oh, so close. Almost. So if you do that, then you're going to light the poles for $5,000. Yes. No, $50,000.
    122:08
    Ten money, ten money. Oh, there you go. Okay, $50,000. Oh, and it goes down. Oh, you're trading. Good ball, though. It's not like I'm at the tournament right now.
    122:17
    So did anybody roll this during the tournament? No, Eric could have. He had $750. Oh, Eric. We're going to give it away. Oh, you're going to give it away. Well, listen in. Okay, here we go. I plunged, and I hit, and I got knocked. You want the B. Give us a skill shot.
    122:34
    Ooh, that was pretty good. It's a tight tilt. You can get away with a little bit of a throw mistake, but Uncle Tilt-y might kill you. Let's see if he does.
    122:44
    Ooh, nice. There you go. There's the multiplier in the hole there. Look how fast that ball comes down when it goes down. See how it comes down fast like that?
    122:54
    Oh, I think you flipped and you should have flopped. Not bad, don't he? He almost got 100,000. Getting there.
    123:01
    83. 161 to 83. Ball two. Okay, so the skill shot. Skill shot, yes. Oh, there you go. That was worth 10,000. Well, actually 15. 10 plus the five for the left.
    123:16
    Oh. Does this... What? Does this game have electronic sounds? It came with electronic sounds, I put chimes in. No, I like it with the chimes. I'm just saying. Yeah, came with that CP. Boop, boop, boop. Yeah. You don't like the BP. No, no. Chimes is the way to go with this game. Okay.
    123:36
    Yeah, I heard from the tournament directors. They said this game was a crowd favorite. I can believe it. It's a beautiful looking game. Oh, Rimmer.
    123:49
    No. Oh, nice. You got the sea lane. You got all the pool balls down. No, no, no. Oh, down the middle it goes.
    123:59
    Okay. Not far behind. I could do qualifying in this game. You know, I'd qualify people in pinball pool. Your score would be something like a qualification would be.
    124:12
    Doctor, who, uh, who's going to, who of the people won't come here? Uh. I'm guessing the regular cast of characters will be here.
    124:26
    Let's see. Chris is going to be here. Mark and Sandra from... Oh, they're coming? Yeah, they're coming. Okay.
    124:36
    From... What's the name of the company again? Okay. Hey, Dave's doing real well. All right. So now do I want the eight ball shot? I think I want the hole first. I need a multiplier. Because you don't have no multiplier. Yeah. Or I could go the eight ball shot and then... Well, no. I'm going to get the hole. I need the ABC. That was a full shot. No way.
    125:01
    It plays nice, though. Oh, thanks. Even with the steepness, I mean, it does play nice. Yeah, it plays fair. Yeah.
    125:10
    Oh. Benny got a sad mojo from this one. Yeah. He got killed on this one. There we go. We only got to play one. Oh, that's... Ooh, tilt-a-rama. That happened to Ray Day. It's like that. He's like, what happened?
    125:33
    That wasn't that bad, though. Okay, so I get to go. So you got 262. I'm just giving you a question. That was actually pretty good in the tournament. You got that.
    125:53
    No! Oh. Come. That's a bad. No, for the first time. Yeah. Okay. One more. It's a good one. Good game. Yeah. Fun little game, huh?
    126:10
    That's a full punch right there. You know what's good about this game? You can explain it to somebody very quickly. Yeah. It's not very complicated. Here's what you gotta do.
    126:20
    That's the one thing people were saying. Bring it full circle. That's one thing people were saying about two fighters. For a modern game, very intuitive. Okay. Which I think needs to be done. Yeah. That was my undoing. Not knowing rule sets. You're trying to undo a combination lock. I can shoot. Right.
    126:47
    It's more like it's a video game set up with like a left, right, left, right, up, down, up, down kind of thing to get the secret code. Yeah, not my speed. No, no. And it's out.
    127:01
    I should put the clock on here and wait 30 seconds before I go again, because it's probably still shaking around. You and me.
    127:09
    I'm used to losing. I like it with the chimes. Yeah, it's way better with the chimes. Here we go. Almost, almost. I'm afraid of shaking it, though. No, don't. I don't think he's seen it. And you can't... You can't shot it either. I can't say what I want to say because I'd give it away, but... When people... Maybe they've already listened to the Eric portion, but... Sounds like there were some very tight tilts at that tournament. Oh, yeah. There were.
    127:50
    Oh, no! Oh, I shouldn't have done that. That's all right. You didn't tell me. No, I know, but. Oh, come on. Oh, wow. Come on. Now you're feeling the pain. Two for two. Yeah. Now I'm experiencing Allentown. Now you're experiencing Allentown. Oh, that must have. Oh, yeah. That must have got a few people. It did. They were pissed off.
    128:20
    Billy. You were there. Yeah. I get it. So, I'm guessing you could make that joke a little more generous. Yeah, oh, yeah. I'd probably roll for the little, for a shindig. That's a. That's pretty brutal. Yeah, it is. I mean, I hardly shook that thing. Right. I'm notorious for it. I just wanted you to feel the action. No, you're right. No, this is how you get it. This is what these guys had to do. It's a steep rate. I mean, what was it, 100 bucks? 125 bucks? 125. And you get one play in each game. That's it. Yeah, that's cutthroat. It's very cutthroat. But he had to do it for time, uh, for time-wise, I guess. Right, but they must have gotten a lot of whopper points, because there was a lot of good people. They got 120 people to play. No, but I'm saying you had ranked players there. Yeah, oh yeah, they did. They got some, they got some points out. I'm afraid to tell this man.
    129:17
    See, normally I would bop it. I'm not going to. No. Okay. He's going to put a little color change behind his head and change his color.
    129:38
    It goes from blue to red to purple. So let's end on this note. All right. Have you had any meetings on Pintastic any time recently? Any updates? No. Any new news? Not recently. No? Okay. Nothing recent. nope well fun game look forward to our next show which will probably be the tournament here so I was watching so a little bit back to Allentown here I was watching on Pinside the Pinfest thread it's always like buy sell no hotel talk it's like one of the most active threads around because it's all about horse trading you know gang trading and all the different deals and people were trying to buy and sell, buy and sell. Very active. One guy on there, his name is Nick, and he said, hey, any people on, any pinsiders, I'm going to open my house up for an open house for my gangs and just, here's my, or PM me, I'll give you my address, my phone number and definitely let me know for sure if you're coming so I can know what to expect from people.
    130:49
    So I wrote back to him and said, yeah, I'm definitely a gem. Now, I don't know who this was, who he is, but the chance to see a private collection while you're at a show, great, because you just know the private collection is going to beat most anything at a show, because the show is going to have, you know, just okay games, maybe a couple of nice gems, but mostly just – So you don't know this guy? Don't know this guy. So I decided – he's like 35 minutes away from the show.
    131:12
    It was on – I think it was Saturday night or Friday night. I forget. Was it Friday or Saturday night? Maybe it was Friday night. No, Friday night. so I said, okay, Friday night we'll do this and so I went there, and so I took a video so check out oh, you already went to this? we went to this, at the Ping Fest, yeah, Allentown we went to it so, I didn't know what to expect when I went down there, these games he's an EM guy he's like Dave Matrando stuff, but even better, and when I saw this, that's not going to be happy No, but Dave knows this guy. Oh, okay. And Dave knows he does work. This guy is fanatic. I looked at, compared my stuff, I do a fairly nice job myself. I don't say so myself, pat myself on the back too much. But when I look at his stuff, it's like my stuff pales in comparison to how nice his stuff is. I mean, attention to detail, I could not find a flaw in any of this stuff. Anything, it's like pristine. It was fun to go to? Check these games out.
    132:16
    So, Central Park, I know that game with the monkey and the bell. Domino. Okay. I know the name, but I don't know the game. Everything is just like... How many games do you have? Probably 20. Beat the Clock. I haven't seen one of those in like forever. Look at that. Look how nice it is. Those games are beautiful. It's like Christine. Wow. The rubbers aren't even dirty. Do you even play these things? I mean, it's just... How many people are in it? Museum. Probably eight people total. Oh, that's all? Yeah. Well, that's nice. 7, 8, 37. That was a fun play. I played that game before. I actually wouldn't mind having it. I found the game easy. Okay, that's cool. But look how... Look at that. Where did... Wow. Right? Where do you find games like that? Or how do you restore them? He's an older guy. He's actually an automotive guy by trade. Oh, he's the painter. So, yeah. That's why. Never mind. But a lot of this stuff is actually... What leaves? What the hell is that? And the way he buffs metal is even better than what I... I buffed that really well, but he actually told me some tricks that he does. His metal comes out like it's just brilliant. It almost looks like it's... Spinnacard 2001. That was hard to play. Yeah, I've played a lot of these games. These are all great games. These all play this pristine... So no solid state, no modern? No, only one solid state. He had a Joker poker. Okay. And he had an original board set in it, which I found... I said, don't you want to pass Gallatin the original board set? I saw he was doing some weird stuff with the score display. We played that. That draw. We have one of these. I haven't done mine yet, but I have a quick draw. It was a two-player version. I thought we played... You and I played this game. that. Fantastic. We did? Maybe we did. Maybe not. Maybe I'm thinking of it.
    133:54
    Gunslinger, is that a game? We played some game like that. Okay, wow. These are nice. Look how nice this is. Okay, what's the one next to the one with the Oh, Atlantis. I recognize the cabinet. Okay. Nice. These are all just so gorgeous. So much fun to play.
    134:11
    I mean, I'd say Dave's stuff is right there too. I'd say 1 and 1A. Yeah, 1 and 1A, you know. Right, well, it's hard to find people that even do this stuff. Yeah. I mean, you've got Stu, you're lucky. This guy here, Nick, he sells to high-end collectors around the world. He's been selling games to. I didn't even know about this guy. Really? There's a market worldwide? For pristine games like this? Oh, yeah.
    134:39
    Yeah, he does phenomenal games. It's just amazing. Here's the Grand Slam he got. That's pretty cool. You've got a lot of nice games. That's a Grand Slam. Oh, that's from the show. What was that? That's a girl that's actually playing our game. No, I like that sign. I know, me too.
    135:01
    Because it wasn't for sale. Or if it was, it was expensive. This was a cool game. What's this called? This is called... Not Rocket. Universe.
    135:10
    We played this. Does that thing go around? It goes around. Yeah. I've never seen that game before. How? Wow. Look at that. And it's like, oh, another thing. This guy found, these are all new Osloff playfields. Wait a second.
    135:23
    That spaceman stopped. Yeah. When we're done, go pull your pentastic Franchi glass and look at the spaceman. You're like the same guy. It looks like the same guy. The head. Yeah. He changed it a little bit, but all right. I mean, no call out on, although I do have to call him out. I'm calling Franchi out on this show. Okay. Chris. That was fun too. Jungle Queen. Chris is on. Who the hell was he talking to? Whoever he was talking to, right? He was critiquing this other podcaster. And sorry, I don't remember who it is, and I'll remember for the next time if I can find it. And he says, well, if I'm going to give you any advice to how you should change your podcast, I would tell you to do the following. you should pick a game and then talk about the game and talk about your experiences with the game and play the game and I'm looking at my phone and I'm going son of a bitch that's our show what are you doing so he was like critiquing our show no he was critiquing this other person the person said well how could I improve my show and Chris is like well let me think for a second and then he starts and I'm sitting and I'm going check box one check box two I'm like Franchi when I see you I'm calling you out because he doesn't listen to the podcast so I get it because you haven't heard that either he gave up podcasting because he lost again to Canada there's a whole drama I don't even care. I don't care. But the long and short of it is, he basically said, I'm not putting up with this anymore. I'm through. I'm done. I'm not going on it. Oh, I know who it was with Orby. You ever listen to him out of Canada? No. You wouldn't know him. Some of you know who that is. Anyway, he's a goat farmer who smokes dope. Anyway. Okay.
    137:31
    Goat weed. Yeah. Well, no. He doesn't sell goat weed. But anyway. So he was on with him. And, you know, they were going back and forth. And he basically said, I'm out. I'm not doing it anymore. So he said, that's what you should be doing, Orby. And Orby, he records like five times. He's like on episode 500 and stuff. I just kept yelling at the podcast saying, that's us. That's our show. That's what we do. Stop it. And then that guy in Australia, he's doing the same thing. I'm like, whatever. You know what it is, though? They're going to take what we do well, and they're going to put it on all the stupid social media crap on our website and get it all good to go. And it came from home. Hey, we've been doing it already since 2019. You know what you've got to do? You've got to legalize Shemp. See?
    138:24
    That was part of the guy's game room. Look at his sense of humor, Nick. Okay. I'm done. I actually did a rant. I haven't listened to it. Okay. I was having a few beers, and when I listened to it, I said, okay, whip out the phone and let's record this. So if it's clean, I'll include it. But I don't think it is. I think I really went off. So you had a couple beers and you kind of – No, I was really pissed. No filter? I was really pissed. Pissed at what? What was your – Pissed at, like, we do that show. Oh, oh, oh. Come up with your own idea. You should actually be – You know, I don't have it copyrighted, but, you know, have a little bit of pride. Figure it out.
    139:04
    Anyway. Oh, so here's my, so by bringing the pinball pole to Allentown. Yeah, you get $100. All in one.
    139:12
    Strip club. What? Strip club. You know what? Other levies say, when am I going to a strip club? What is that? I haven't. Well, money's money. A dollar gets you nothing at a strip club. I know. You need two or five. Excuse me? Five? Really, do you think? Fives and tens. Wow. They don't even look at it. A dollar, they crumple it up and throw it back at you. It's been a while. Yeah, I haven't been either in a long time. His, after the tournament, is Eric on my pinball pole going to sleep. Somebody suggested that we use that as the graphic. Yeah, I was. I was kind of thinking that would be kind of cool.
    139:42
    I could do that. I don't really. Anyway, if they ever do a Pintastic or a Pinfest or one of these shows at Tennessee, be careful staying in a hotel there because Tennessee hotel guest wakes up to night manager sucking on his toes, police say. Imagine that. You're in bed. You feel like your toe is being sucked up. I know the connection you just made. You were thinking Eric stays in some hovels. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You and I wouldn't even look at it. No way.
    140:13
    I'm having Eric. Well, what was that, the OYO out in California? Remember me talking about the slime green pool? Yeah, yeah. That's how nice it is. I go by it every day. I wouldn't stay in that. In all the night? I think it was $60, but whatever it was, it was like one-third the price of what I paid. I wouldn't stay there if you gave me the room. I wouldn't stay there if you gave me the room and a gun to protect myself. It was that bad. I'd say so. Wait, didn't we talk about this? The county courthouse is right across the state. That sounds familiar, yeah. Yeah. Oh, no wonder. That in California is not one of the more desirable locations in California. And they're not doing a show there anymore, or are they doing a show there anymore? No, they sold it. They sold it, right. They sold it. They grow weed there now. Well, that's appropriate. Yeah. That's appropriate. Who do you call when you want your pinball machine restored? Dr. Dave!
    141:04
    Dave! Who? Dave! D-A-V-E! Yeah, Dave! Right. But George, you don't know what you're saying. You're under their control. George!
    141:18
    George! Hasta la vista, baby.