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87: Times Be Changin'

Pinball Party Podcast·podcast_episode·29m 56s·analyzed·Jul 25, 2025
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TL;DR

Pinball market facing depreciation; hobby requires smarter buying, lower prices, and fewer casual investors to survive.

Summary

Jason from Pinball Party Podcast discusses the changing economics of pinball collecting and the market pressures facing the hobby. He critiques unsustainable pricing and business models in the industry, advocates for AI-driven market analysis to avoid depreciation losses, and expresses frustration with collectors' irrational selling behavior. He also shares a negative experience attempting to purchase an Iron Man Pro Vault Edition, where the seller demanded additional payment for perceived tax liability.

Key Claims

  • Jurassic Park Premium machines are currently selling for around $7,200, significantly down from launch prices near $10,000

    high confidence · Jason used AI analysis on Pinball Prices data to determine current market value for JP Premium

  • Pinball is a luxury item for collectors in their age range and the younger generation is not adopting the hobby at comparable rates

    medium confidence · Jason's observation about demographic trends and hobby growth limitations

  • New pinball machines purchased in-box and resold within weeks typically lose $2,000 in value

    medium confidence · Jason's commentary on new game depreciation and market conditions

  • Stern's current pricing strategy (maintaining high MSRPs) combined with lower limited edition runs is unsustainable for long-term growth

    medium confidence · Jason's hypothetical business analysis contrasting price reductions with designer/licensing investment

  • The pinball market is experiencing sustained depreciation that will not stabilize without significant changes to production volume and pricing

    medium confidence · Jason's use of AI market projection tools to analyze 6-month and 1-year price trajectories

Notable Quotes

  • “I would like to get back into more of that and it's just tough because of work and the more I get into work the less creative juice I have to do things like this”

    Jason @ ~5:00 — Reflects broader community struggle balancing work and hobby engagement; also explains Jason's reduced podcast production quality

  • “Go into the page where they are for sale Command or control a copy all paste that into ChatGPT... look at the prices... Then you get yourself some information.”

    Jason @ ~8:30 — Concrete advice for using AI to analyze pinball market data; represents emerging practice in collector community for data-driven purchasing

  • “It just keeps going down and then ask it to project into 10 years. Don't, don't, don't do 10 years. That'll scare the shit out of you.”

    Jason @ ~14:00 — Darkly humorous acknowledgment that long-term market projections suggest serious industry contraction

  • “I don't want to lose a month's worth of living expenses. I'm going to fucking play this up. I'm over it.”

    Jason @ ~16:00 — Signals shift toward risk-averse behavior among collectors; financial pressure constraining purchases

  • “If Star Wars comes out and it's code 1.0... The Stern Pro is going to be $200 less... Those LEs would sell out ASAP.”

    Jason @ ~22:00 — Speculation about hypothetical Stern Star Wars release; implies unmet demand for premium IP titles at lower price points

  • “We don't need those fucks. Make a little less games... We'll keep the hobby afloat.”

    Jason @ ~38:00 — Advocates for market consolidation around 'serious' collectors; suggests casual investors should exit the market

  • “You got someone who will just give you the money you want... I don't know what's happening. Especially like in this market.”

    Jason @ ~65:00 — Frustration with seller irrationality; exposes disconnect between buyer expectations and seller behavior in secondary market

Entities

JasonpersonKalepersonKeith ElwinpersonGeorge LucaspersonStern PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyFlippin' Out PinballcompanyPinball PricesproductPinball Party Podcastorganization

Signals

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    market_signal: Jurassic Park Premium machines have depreciated from ~$10k launch to ~$7.2k current market value, representing 28% loss

    high · Jason used AI analysis on Pinball Prices data comparing current for-sale listings to historical market archive

  • $

    market_signal: New-in-box machines from retailers like Flippin' Out Pinball lose approximately $2,000 when resold within weeks

    medium · Jason's commentary on new game value retention and resale losses

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    product_strategy: Current Stern pricing model (high MSRPs + limited LE production) is unsustainable; hypothetical price reduction of $200 per tier with premium IP would drive LE sellouts but compress margins

    medium · Jason's analysis of hypothetical Star Wars release with lower pricing tier strategy

  • ?

    collector_signal: High-value collectors shifting toward 'safe' investments (established Stern/Spooky titles) rather than taking depreciation risk on experimental titles

    high · Jason explicitly states preference for 'safe' purchases and use of AI to identify non-appreciating assets

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    sentiment_shift: Market sentiment deteriorating; collectors increasingly cautious about large purchases due to observed depreciation and economic uncertainty

    high · Jason's repeated emphasis on needing to 'be safe' with money and avoid losing 'a month's worth of living expenses'

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Transcript

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And I actually started watching Jaws again last night just to, you know what it is? What it's like? I'm not sure if anyone else here, maybe it's just me, gets fucking obsessed with a theme or license when you're into that pinball. Hence why I've bought in Lord of the Rings so many times because that's always a theme that I'm thinking about and then I have this pull to, oh I like the theme, identify with it. Well if I have that machine then that just makes sense to me. Like you're explaining something to yourself that you're like narrating your own biography or something to like line up the justification that I'm about to spend $10,000 on a fucking baby's toy. And I don't know, maybe it's that. I like to think that it's just the genuine pull, the curiosity that we all have towards pinball that makes time slow down and you don't want it to speed up. And I think with that enjoyment that we get from it, the dopamine hits, the attention, the love of the sounds, the visuals, the game, the strategy, the achievement, you get all that in a box. And the fact that you actually have to earn some money to get there is just another piece of it that makes it awesome. I would like to get back into more of that and it's just tough because of work and the more I get into work the less creative juice I have to do things like this and if anyone's noticed I've done less and less you know sound effects with mef or just music overall it's not because I don't care about the quality of this it's usually like I don't have something to say or time to do it well I don't and I'm inconsistent not because I don't like it because that's just I'm pulled in a lot of different directions loral Del allegiance FIFA, primarily configuration, Darvin's character, N Occupations, Battle, Hey, man. He's always doing some crazy shit. Maybe look at Nudge Magazine. Maybe check out Retro Ralph, Triple Drain Podcast, The Pinball Show, Don's Pinball Podcast. We all know all these things but the hobby remains fun and it gets tougher the all of you I mean it doesn feel safe to buy a lot of games for a lot of reasons And I don know if all of you have taken advantage of AI and well here something that I would recommend you do Pick a game you thinking of buying or selling or getting into or getting stupid and doing that Go into the page where they are for sale Command or control a copy all paste that into chat GPT I'm going to give you some information, analyze it and wait. Tell it to wait. Cool. Now go into the market archive of that game. Same thing. Command A, control A. Who cares about copying? It will be able to parse all the data you give it. Look at the prices. So Command A, control A, all that shit. Put that in chat. GPT, say the same thing. Hey, wait. I'm going to paste you a bunch of data. Take it, analyze it, wait. It's like, cool. Now I got this data. Cool. Now you got the for sale games. Now you got the market archive, which again, take it with a grain of salt. Then you get yourself Kin freshman Institute for Computer entrada NSA, Videolegacy of Philosophy the bestimmtinons. seus下次 üzerpendelviveholicunیا This gave you what is the current games for sale and then the second set of data which is the archived games for sale and tell it note games that had for sale versus not sold and then take a look at the current games for sale, make sure to delineate between pending and ones that aren't pending and then tell it the date so it knows how long it's looked at it and then tell them this is where I live, how much should I pay for one and how much should I sell. And that's roughly an accurate price of where these games are. So for example, I did that earlier with the Jurassic Park Premium as a lot of us do. And the current price of a Jurassic Park Premium is, and all of you thinking, well, you know, nine grand. I spent almost 10 grand on it, it's probably nine grand. Nope. It's Jurassic Park, it's probably eight grand. It's not eight grand. Oh, it's probably seven and a half grand. On the high end, if you want to get something solid, let's look at 7.2. 7.2 thousand is kind of where we're at. We have these market quote, I'll say analysis out there that are kind of fluffy like here's some kind of trends, here's kind of where they're going. Pinball market trends, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I love it, nothing against pinball market trends. But if you want to get real honest and dirty with it, go do that with games and don't just look back a year or two. Again, use AI to your advantage as a tool and keep yourself safe with money out there. But you'll notice something, it just keeps going down and then ask it to project into 10 years. Don't, don't, don't do 10 years. That'll scare the shit out of you. Do six months and then do a year. And also pinball or sorry, AI knows about pinball in general, but the more you feed it on what it is, is a luxury item for people in our age range, which you know it is. And it is a hobby that is growing per se. I won't give you all the tricks of the trade, but essentially fill AI with as much data as you can with pinball and ask where it's going and how it's doing and look at the market of 2352 samo Finger two posted information on s Falls punctuate and Charlie's lesbiansanderas usaryersntelos allat caramel p�ë virginie jessica I'm going to be a little bit more safe right now. Or, uh... Well, nothing. Nothing's safe. But while we wait for the safe things, which are probably the next two releases from Stern and the next game from Spooky, all of those are going to be safe. And when I mean safe, before you get your pitchforks out and like, this is not a game, we're always losing money, this is not an appreciating asset, I know that. 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That's not what's happening. That's part of it, but if suddenly, let's see, I mean we're going to come out with Star Wars. If Star Wars comes out and it's, let's say it's code 1.0, it comes out, it's just nothing against the creator of Star Wars, the upcoming Star Wars, which may or may not be happening, quote unquote. Let's say for the sake of argument, it's coming out Keith Elwyn is the designer. He's not. Keith Elwyn is designing Star Wars. It's going to come out with code 1.0. The Stern, the pro is going to be $200 less. The premium is going to be $200 less and there's only going to be 300 LEs. Would that change the hobby? It would definitely be a move in the right direction. Those LEs would sell out ASAP. Star Wars is Star Wars. So, you know what I mean? Keith Allen definitely helps but only to the people who play pinball. And lowering the price, like okay, I won't lose as much. I'm probably going to buy a pro anyways because fuck, it's crazy out there. But you can't do that. If you're going to grow, just start lowering prices, lowering supply. Here's the way my business plan was. We're going to lower the prices on our goods. All right, now with me. And we're going to I'm going to make less and we're going to sell less. And we're going to put our most experienced, not our most experienced, our most popular designer on it. I don't know if he gets paid the most. Let's just assume he does. I don't know. Let's put the most amount of money into the license and the designer. We'll make less and we'll sell them for less. Okay, get fucked. That company is going to the ground. Now that's not a good option. Okay, our second plan. We increase our amount of customers So we sell more Okay what are you going to do You going to put a big marketing campaign behind it and be like hey all of you go look under your couch find your extra 10 grand sitting there and you going to lose two grand after you do it But go find that and tell your kids

“But why is it in pinball there's so many weird fucks? So many weird... I guess I might be a weird fuck to a lot of you, which is cool, I guess.”

Jason @ ~75:00 — Self-aware commentary on pinball community culture; acknowledges eccentricity as defining trait of collector base

Pinball Market Trends
product
Nudge Magazineproduct
Retro Ralphperson/media
Triple Drain Podcastproduct
The Super Awesome Pinball Showproduct
Don's Pinball Podcastproduct
Jurassic Park Premiumgame
Jawsgame
Lord of the Ringsgame
Iron Man Pro Vault Editiongame
Total Nuclear Annihilationgame
Black Knight Sword of Rage Progame
Ghostbusters Progame
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Progame
Walking Dead Pro remakegame
Fantastic Fourgame

operational_signal: Significant inefficiencies and irrational behavior in secondary market transactions; sellers unreasonably increase prices mid-negotiation or add unexpected fees

high · Jason's detailed account of Iron Man Pro seller demanding $500 additional payment for tax liability, then increasing price by $1k when deal fell through

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball adoption among younger generations significantly lower than current collector base; hobby growth limited by demographic constraints

    medium · Jason's observation that 'the generation below us is not into pinball as much as we are' and 'that's just the way of things'

  • ?

    business_signal: Industry faces contraction scenario if pricing/production strategy doesn't change; current trajectory unsustainable long-term

    medium · Jason's AI-assisted market projections showing continued depreciation; advice to avoid 10-year forecasts as too dire

  • ?

    content_signal: Content creators (like Jason) experiencing burnout and reduced output quality due to work pressures, impacting media ecosystem quality

    high · Jason's meta-commentary about reduced sound design, music, and inconsistent production due to time constraints and creative exhaustion

  • ?

    machine_intel: Star Wars pinball rumored for future Stern release; hypothetical discussion suggests designer involvement (Keith Elwin mentioned) and pricing strategy under consideration

    low · Jason's repeated qualifier 'which may or may not be happening, quote unquote' regarding Star Wars; framed as hypothetical business scenario

  • ?

    product_concern: Secondary market transactions increasingly fraught with seller education issues, tax confusion, and irrational pricing behavior creating friction

    high · Jason's transaction with Iron Man Pro seller lacking Pinside feedback; seller confused about business tax treatment of personal sales

  • ?

    regulatory_signal: Sellers uncertain about tax implications of private sales; some demanding buyers cover perceived tax liability (inappropriate treatment)

    medium · Iron Man Pro seller claiming CPA advised tax hit for business transaction on personal sale; seller demanded additional $500 from buyer to cover liability

    • 15:04
    Okay. Everyone I know got laid off or looking for a job or AI is displacing their job. Okay, we'll just make okay. All right. Now we can do both, which let's make more customers out of nothing. I'm going to be doing a little bit of free marketing that we don't have for customers that don't want it. And then we'll make less, we'll lower the prices, and it'll cost more. All right. Well, if you can't get more buyers, because the generation below us is not into pinball as much as we are, and that's just the way of things. We don't have infinite space. We don't have infinite money. It's just, yeah, all the, it's not a doom and gloom. I'm going to be a little more careful and like me. Shit. It doesn't feel as good. So getting into those times where you can just make the time slow down is getting tougher. Sucks. Fucking sucks. Like, you know, you don't realize the good times until you're out of them. So even like not COVID COVID sucked with pinball. Fuck that. That was that was nonsense. But at least right before that, you could feel it. You're growing steadily and like organically healthy and I'm optimistic that this correction, uh, I shouldn't be opti- I mean I was about to say I'm optimistic just to be that person who's optimistic about it. He's optimistic that it'll slow down, the slowing down of it will slow down the market depreciation. I can't help but use AI or other tools like my brain and math to just see where does this level off? So I guess we have to kill all the people in the hobby who don't really give that much shit about it. Okay, maybe not kill them. Close. We could rob them. We could we could we could hurt their family. Hmm. Okay, we need the clowns that aren't really into it as obsessed as the rest of us. We'll get the real pros back in here and keep the obsessors doing this. We'll keep this ship afloat. All those guys out there who aren't super serious, just list your Stern pros for $4,000. It's fine. We'll get a lot of people giving you $3,800 for it. We'll clean you up. Clean you out. Clean you up. http://www.youtube.com.twitter.com.twitter Thank you so much for coming.
    18:39
    Thanks a lot. Yeah, the business and the reports and the QBRs and the MBRs. Oh, what does the outlook look like? What is the pace rate? What's the churn? Fuck you. Go do that. We all do that during the day. We don't want to hear you jack off about it. So you go jack off about your numbers. Sell your Stern Pearls for $3,900. You got a buyer right here. Okay? Stern Premium. You got a buyer right here. Dress perfectly. Liquidate it. Then we get us obsessors back. We will keep the hobby afloat. We don't need those fucks. Make a little less games. Subtitles by the Amara.org community
    19:40
    I'm out there liquid liquid against for thirty nine hundred off fifty nine hundred I take a couple steps there I'll start doing more podcasts get weird with it instead of having all this bullshit out there that's like all pinball is always good and great and here's the dishonest shit now we don't we don't have time for that we don't have time for the dishonest bullshit you know that's something that costs as much let's do that and it was bringing this fucking hobby back everyone speaking of bringing something back I would like to bring ✍ invasion Selbst invade, Costume Additional 생각? V1.5, ✍Bureau gimái teilassha Lou,ages Hospice Vala, document mating ◌ nouründ comentarios devoid of hereisenglish tongoChipizag dimension vaya perché I'm not finding any of that shit. You're finding the prices you'd think. However, I've met the old, my old friend, the fucking, I don't fucking, fuckwads, I don't, the idiot, the idiots, the idiots on the internet. Idiot? I have a few games I'm looking for publicly. I'll state it. One of them I might actually buy sooner rather than later, but here they are. A Total Nuclear Annihilation, preferably a collector's edition. I just like that sparkly black shit. So a TNA, a Black Knight Sword of Rage Pro, a Ghostbusters Pro, a possible, I'm not like, hey, I'm going to buy all five of these at once. These are just ones I'm looking at. Iron Man Pro, Vault Edition only, and possibly a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Pro or Premium, kind of either one. If you see a trend here, I like difficult games or like fast start, get into it. If the pending Walking Dead remake was not happening, that would be I'm going to be the first one I would get to be honest. Walking DeadPro back. So I'm on the lookout and a Ironman Pro Vault Edition gets listed just a couple days ago. Probably any of you out there that are doing it probably saw it. I don't know, maybe it didn't. It wasn't super cheap. It was the right price. $5,500. Yep, great. Out of Texas. I wanted to buy it. Shipping. Why not? Eat the $600, $700. Worth it. Fuck it. It's close enough to where I'm not going to suddenly lose like I would a brand new box I messaged the guy, hey, would you be open to shipping? Would you be open to shipping? And he's kind of like, oh, I've never done it before, but yeah, I think if it's really just the shipper comes out and you just have to pick up the game and you take care of everything. And he summarized it accurately I explained a little more with a little more detail Yeah I pay for it I see you and then take the head down or wrap the head down with cardboard leave the legs on because they take it They come in schedule time with you Now I just can wait or personally can wait to hear if Katie Michael there is any idea needed about McL instruct2 or one lens technology Thanks I take that actually You know, anyone else who is curious trivia or trivia related, we don't have time to discuss, but you can put it on theinging arrival so takingative you remember my ENV video még eternal Hi, I'm ready. Joe Did the same tip. Yeah, dizzy. So, if we're going to talk about no, teams of same kind that we couldn't do other thaninski. I'm not gonna just rag on this guy. Dude was polite, mind you. He wasn't fucking, I know, figured out. It was like, let's pile on this guy. Fuck you. I mean, yes, that's what we're doing. But again, no offense, but offense. Hey, I don't really want, this is him. I don't really want any sort of I'm like, okay. I don't want to take a tax hit at the end of the year. My CPA says I might take a tax hit. I'm like, what? Okay. Because it would show up as a business. I'm like, all right, well. Again, so me who's done this, a whole shitload with tons of feedback on Pinside versus someone who has, as you guessed, zero, you know, Pinside feedback. You know how that goes, how this happens. You have to kind of school them into what's happening. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to go with this. ·
    24:07
    I'm going to have to pay the extra $500 to take the tax hit. You fucking what mate? Holy shit! Okay, you want me to pay your potential tax liability on this thing that is not a business or that you would have to pay for profit? That's how you're going to make the sale? I'm just someone who's saying, can I give you full asking price for your game so I can buy the game that you listed for sale and you literally don't have to do anything? We haven't even gotten to the point where as the buyer I'd want like more information of, can you please make sure the playfield doesn't have any chips in it because I've been burned before. And usually the buyer is the one who's more at risk here than the seller. I'm just saying, I'm going to just dump $5,500 US dollars into your bank account basically and that's it. You just have to be there.
    24:58
    So I replied kind of like, nah, I mean, when with the shipping of 700 bucks and then you want me to pay your additional tax liability of $500? What's this? It doesn't make sense anymore. What are we talking about? Figure it out, man. He ghosts me after that. I'm like, okay, it's fine. You know, whatever. And then he increases the game by a thousand dollars. Just changes the listing to increase it by a thousand dollars. I don't know what's happening on planet earth when you list something for a good price, not like, oh my god, I priced it too low. No, the price that you'd probably sell it in the average amount of time. Iron Man Vault Edition $5,500? Yes. You'd sell it in a good amount of time. Now, it's not like $4,000 where you'd fire sale it. It's like, okay, yeah, good. People who are interested are going to buy it. Now, you got to take into consideration that you have a mile radius you're working with if you want cash, which let's say it's a 300-mile radius if you're lucky, if you're very lucky, and then they have to want something that is, what is it, 2011? Well, it's the Vault Edition, so it could have been all the way up to 2019 to be honest, But an older Stern Sam game and a game that is notoriously a little difficult and it's a quick game that often people get bored with fast, myself included, but I also love it and I want to take it and I want to have it. You're listing a game and then someone comes along within seven hours and says, I would like to not only not deal with cash because that's its own bitch. I would like to just drop a 5500 number into your bank account. It'll suddenly read plus 5500 after I click a button. I'd like to do that for you. Would you mind? Fuck me. I don't know what's happening. Especially like in this market. What are you doing? You got someone who will just give you the money you want. Oh my god. I can't with these people. I'm gonna fucking lose my shit. And this is what I'm getting back into? I'm not a fan of pinball, fuck me. So he can figure it out. Figure it out. Kindly, kindly figure it out, kindly fuck off. But why is it in pinball there's so many weird fucks? So many weird... I guess I might be a weird fuck to a lot of you, which is cool, I guess. But maybe that's what pinball is, just a bunch of weird fucks who happen to have money and want time to speed up. Well, they want it to slow down, but pinball makes it speed up. This hobby is fun. We got to keep it going. Speaking of, I got to go to Fantastic Four in just a few minutes. I wanted to drop by, say hello, talk about the clock, tell that guy to figure it the fuck out, give Flappy Bird Pinball, it's Flippin' Out Pinball by the way, and I'm like, oh, there's no Flappy Bird Pinball. It's Flippin' Out Pinball. Awesome sponsors of the show, go check them out. They'll give you new games in the box. It's cardboard. You gotta cut it. You gotta cut the cardboard out and then within there you got a bunch of foam. More fucking cardboard. Have we talked about how much work it is to deal with a new in box pinball? After you've done it like once the penalty of a Entrepreneño uh... express for mad complain What a first world problem to have. Have a good evening everyone. We'll see you later.
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