INDISC 2020 finals coverage from Museum of Pinball with expert commentary on tournament play and game strategy.
Summary
Live tournament coverage from INDISC 2020 (Stern Pro Circuit event) at the Museum of Pinball in Banning, California. Commentators Ian Harrower, Ryan Wenger, and Colin (with producer Carl D'Angelo) provide detailed play-by-play analysis of finals matches in card format tournament play. Highlights include discussion of game modifications (auto-plunge on Soprano), tournament logistics, player experiences across multiple events (Classics 1&2, Maine, Women's division), and in-depth rules explanations for Class of 1812.
Key Claims
This is probably almost certainly the largest IFPA opportunity in North America this year
high confidence · Ryan Wenger on broadcast, discussing INDISC 2020 multi-tournament weekend with four major IFPA-ranked events
Classics 1 set a record for most participants, then Classics 2 broke that record
high confidence · Ryan Wenger stating tournament records achieved during INDISC 2020
The Swedish championships Classics in Borås gets way more people than the INDISC Classics
medium confidence · Ian Harrower referencing conversation with Adam Levkov about comparative tournament sizes
Jordan Duchesne has only been playing competitive pinball for a little over a year and was top 20 in IFPA rating
medium confidence · Ian Harrower providing player background during Class of 1812 gameplay commentary
There is a $50 bounty at Ace Gogi (Korean BBQ in Los Angeles) for the first person to score 60 million on Class of 1812, and nobody has achieved it yet
medium confidence · Ryan Wenger explaining location-based game variant and bounty conditions
Ryan Wenger won the Intergalactic Pinball Championship (secondary to Pinburgh) in August
high confidence · Ryan Wenger discussing personal tournament achievement and format (strikes format)
The games at INDISC 2020 were set up very difficult (e.g., highest Theater of Magic score in women's tournament was just over 1 billion)
high confidence · Ryan Wenger describing qualifying round difficulty and game setup modifications
Ryan Wenger finished 5th in the women's division with 65 competitors
high confidence · Ryan Wenger providing personal tournament results from INDISC 2020
Notable Quotes
“we remove the plunger rod completely you press both flippers and it auto plunges which you'll see here because a lot of people abuse this game by short plunging over and over again and doing some switch validation tricks”
Ryan Wenger@ 1:45 — Explains tournament rule modification to Soprano and reasoning for it
“i one time i'd like to feel what it's like to not feel disappointed and you got that at the uh second biggest pinball tournament in the world maybe at least in north america at the intergalactic pinball championship”
Ian Harrower@ 10:50 — References Ryan Wenger's major tournament win and discusses emotional investment in competition
“this is probably almost certainly going to be the largest whopper opportunity in north america this year”
Ryan Wenger@ 7:19 — Establishes INDISC 2020 significance as major tournament event
“the nerves when you start to get into the finals you will almost always see no one misses a shot late everyone misses their shots early because when those nerves start coming you get anxious”
Ian Harrower@ 25:57 — Provides insight into competitive pinball psychology and observation of player behavior
“it's chickens doing the 1812 overture”
Ryan Wenger@ 21:14 — Describes Class of 1812 multiball audio feature (unable to hear during broadcast)
event_signal: INDISC 2020 positioned as largest IFPA tournament opportunity in North America with four major-ranked events (Classics 1&2, Target Match Play, High Stakes, Open) occurring simultaneously
high · Ryan Wenger: 'this is probably almost certainly going to be the largest whopper opportunity in north america this year you've seen europe has been starting to take off with these'
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competitive_signal: Classics 1 achieved record participation for North American Classics tournament, then Classics 2 immediately broke that record
high · Ryan Wenger: 'the two classics tournaments classics one was a record for the most participants and then broke it classics two broke the record'
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gameplay_signal: Tournament games set up significantly more difficult than typical location play; Theater of Magic highest qualifying score just over 1 billion; Class of 1812 ramp narrowed with wider rubber posts
high · Ryan Wenger and Ian Harrower discussing setup difficulty; physical modifications to Class of 1812 confirmed by commentators
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design_innovation: Soprano modified for tournament play by removing plunger rod and implementing auto-plunge via flipper buttons to prevent abuse of short-plunge switch validation tricks and reduce game time
high · Ryan Wenger explaining modification: 'one of the modifications is there's no plunger they remove the plunger rod completely you press both flippers and it auto plunges'
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content_signal: Professional broadcast coverage with live scoring integration, multiple camera angles, teleprompter support, real-time player commentary, and Color DMD sponsorship/display integration
Topics
Tournament format and structure (card format, PAPA scoring, finals rounds)primaryINDISC 2020 event scope and significance (largest IFPA opportunity in North America)primaryClass of 1812 game strategy and mechanics (multiball, skill shots, ramp shots, flipper control)primarySoprano game modifications (auto-plunge, rule changes for tournament)primaryCompetitive player performance and psychology (nerve effects, shot selection, strategic thinking)primaryTournament results and personal experiences (Ryan Wenger, Ian Harrower, other players)primaryGame difficulty and setup modifications at tournament venuesecondaryPinball broadcast technology and production (Color DMD sponsor, scoring integration, live display)secondary
Sentiment
positive(0.8)— Commentators are enthusiastic about the event, players, and game quality. Positive tone discussing tournament organization, player achievements, and game design. Some disappointment expressed regarding personal tournament results but framed constructively. Celebration of record-breaking attendance and quality competition.
Transcript
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[Music] we are here live at the museum of pinball in banning california it's in this the ifa open the first event of the stern pro circuit top 40 are going to make the playoffs here in last year's winner colin urban he showed up today did he make the top 40. some people get a buy some people get two buys we're gonna see groups of four in action four two one zero scoring the top two from every group will advance here in the playoffs at the ifba open at indisc so welcome to uh it never drains in southern california we are here in banning at the museum of pinball for the finals of the open we are going to be joining a tiebreaker game on diner against jordan with jordan duchesne again against nyx to stefano except we're not because they're done um [Music] but we should probably introduce ourselves again because we introduce ourselves because we couldn't be heard before um i'm ian harrower with me here is ryan wenger colin pinball and yes my deal all right so we may be joining a tiebreaker on sopranos we are joining a tie breaker on soprano perfect who's in a tiebreaker so this is don john del zappo and john john kramer battle of the johns perfect all right so uh we're joining this game in progress there's a couple modifications to this game that uh make it interesting here so ryan you want to walk through what they've done to this sure one of the modifications is there's no plunger they remove the plunger rod completely you press both flippers and it it auto plunges which you'll see here because a lot of people abuse this game uh by short plunging over and over again and uh doing some switch validation tricks which i think is very skillful to do so i agree i'm not a fan of the removing of the plunger because i tried doing that trick and i'm terrible at it so it's not something that i think any player can properly do but i understand why they've done it here because otherwise it will take forever for the tournament so we're on ball three here so like this is it he needs four million points so what's a quick way to try to score well since he just locked a ball i'm assuming what he's gonna go for is this uh this stuttgart's uh i lost my teleprompter here but we'll get it back so there's a boat there's a flashing green and yellow next to each other in the center of the play field with a drop target um the drop target is dangerous and can drain you but behind it will be a multiball that's pretty much gonna guarantee him the win here yeah so in normal default rules that would be one one shot to the drop target to drop it but they put this on hard right i think that yellow light oh yeah so he is he's gonna avoid that uh decided it's too dangerous right now so yeah a lot of people in this game they go that the purple shot's there uh to build up to this bang multiball but that's uh that's a strategy for a lot more points than than he needs so he's got one of the modes going now how much are those shots again so they'll be worth like a few hundred thousand i think so this is actually a good way for him to progress and build here um it's worth making the move here he could also go up the middle and try to finish his safe because that's like 1.25 i think for the first safe but again it's a pretty dangerous shot it's just like that drop target right it's flashing right now and it's over there it is for safe 1.2.25 this is going to be he's very close he's got double shake down which is the pop bumpers you also notice we have the scores displaying live below the player's name so if you're wondering how close it is oh that's really nice oh he's he probably got it on bonus courtesy yeah he's got it i mean this isn't a very bonus heavy game but now yeah he's got it yeah so congratulations to john cramer from vancouver bc advancing into the second round at it never drains in southern california and now he's just going to play multiball to show off well so he doesn't need to stop right that's right he has the right to continue to play out this game he may have to play this game in a later round we don't know if this was on his card um if i hadn't i'd play this out just to get the feel for it get some practice in yeah because even if you played it yesterday on your card it's still nice to be able to play it today if you need to play it later in one of the other rounds absolutely there's been i mean certain for me if there's other games still going on i'll just keep playing if i was the last game going i might be a little more tempted to uh you know to just let it drain after yeah after a minute or two i think there's some b still going on they probably had to wait for a to finish with some of their choices yeah that's true so so and then a would be waiting for b to finish to choose their games for the next round they may already like choose their games but probably wait until they start when b is finished that's what i think yeah all right so we're we're going to wait for the next round to be starting up here so let's pop back here and talk a little bit about our experiences this weekend uh at the museum um so yes man what was your what was your weekend like a lot of pinball a lot of sitting very cold the first few days i've got a blanket under here like i'm cold there's no heat in there there's no heat in this building and you're in california um yeah like i tried playing in maine didn't do so well unfortunately um i did do very well in women's and that was super fun there was 65 women in the women tournament wow yeah that's one of the biggest ones i've played in whipped is definitely the biggest one the women's in pinball tournament during pinburg but this is one of the other biggest ones that i've played in and i got fifth that's amazing congratulations uh qualifying was pretty tough because the the games were set up really difficult um like for example the highest score on theater of magic during the women's tournament was just a little bit over a billion and that's what they're also getting setting up in the high stakes tournament it's just like the games are set up really rough but it makes it very satisfying when you can set up a nice score like that so yeah it was super fun to to play that play against all the other women um i think stephanie from washington won louise got second and now i'm kind of forgetting who got third and fourth i think tracy got third and i think anna from new york at fourth if i'm correct um all really good women and it was super fun to play with them oh look at that there we are yes we can we can see this i was correct that's that's carl our producer helping us out so that we look much more knowledgeable than we actually are yeah it's in the chat right now neverdrains.com 2020. there's a drop down you can select all the different uh finals and qualifications if you want to let's look through any stats i decided to not play classics because there's just so many tournaments going on here in this weekend that you kind of have to decide like what are you gonna play in like my focus was women's and maine and because i didn't do well enough in maine i didn't get time to even play classics i know some people who managed to qualify on thursday for maine so they could focus on classics because they knew that their entry was going to be good enough to stay up there and yeah they didn't even have to try again yeah this is probably almost certainly going to be the largest whopper opportunity in north america this year you've seen europe has been starting to take off with these let's run 10 pinball tournaments in a weekend i know right when i moved terrible so like germany's been doing a lot of this you saw the um australian um brisbane masters but this is probably going to be the biggest one in north america we have four whopper points you have classics one and two you have the target match play you have open which is a major so it's got the 1.5 multiplier on the whopper values and the high stakes um all going on this weekend yeah the two classics tournaments classics one was a record for the most participants and then broke it classics two broke the record yeah so um good payouts in those tournaments those were really really valuable really well done so this is a big weekend this is becoming a destination this is definitely worthy of being a major and being a world championship yeah you did a lot of playing yourself ian you weren't just here for commentary yeah i didn't just spend my entire time in the booth but um yeah so i did really well on uh friday to qualify for classics one on my first ticket which um gave me the comfort to then actually go play maine this is the first time i've actually put significant time into trying to qualify for main division um i i played well i never got anything that got me close to qualifying but i'm i was happy with how i played and the games were playing great and i was really enjoying that uh a little disappointed to not qualify for classics 2. i ended up 40th oh that's really close yeah it was 32 made the cut yeah 32 made the cut um and it really just came down to a blown game of oxo where i put up 43 000 and i think like in retrospect i walked up to that game saying i just need a safe mediocre score and i think that put my mindset a little somebody's talking about the swedish championships classics with over 300 but they were talking here about this is the highest classics attendance in north america because we've we've we know about the the swedish one was it for us i didn't know but i didn't know oh sorry yesterday i was talking to adam levkov about those things and they were i was talking about i think that the uh the classics tournament in boras in sweden gets way more people uh showing up than they did over here well thank you uh so sorry to be so uh north american center exactly um brian how was your weekend um man it was a roller coaster of emotions um i i did really well in classics and i qualified both days and um ended up uh 7th and 12th so those are great finishes for me oh wow i was really proud to uh to pull that off and then i put in a ticket at the last second in maine and i i came up uh 100 000 short of qualifying for for finals so uh some some great successes and a lot of painful exits i mean i don't know i guess that's how it feels in a lot of pinball if you don't win right like if you don't take first you have some story of like that thing that one more shot you could have made yeah everyone's got everyone's got a story a beat i remember in the parking lot jim came up to me and he's like congratulations like you did really well coming tenth and classics one i'm like yeah but i still feel disappointed one at one time i'd like to feel what it's like to not feel disappointed and you got that you got that at the uh second biggest pinball tournament in the world maybe at least in north america at the intergalactic pinball championship reigning intergalactic championship that was back in august the sort of the secondary tournament to pinburg and i just had a day where it was good format for me just don't you know get first or second and not third or fourth and um i was able to outlast everyone and that that's probably going to be a pinball memory that it's hard for me to top um that's a pretty rough one to win there's so many players yeah and i mean just you know you gotta call you got to be in the top uh whatever 50 or 60 out of 500 that played in qualifying and then uh and then the people who made it on stage is it was a really tough group of players and um it you know didn't feel although you know that's a strikes format i didn't feel as much like i was playing against those players as i was just like playing against the machine sort of like oh yeah avoid disastrous games i played some of those machines that you played in the finals later during the the women's finals and they were not nice i played i remember playing willy wonka and it was not nice to me it was not nice to a lot of people but yeah that definitely yeah i mean for sure to um all right we're gonna we're gonna go to an ad here for uh color dmd for thanks for your sponsorship so color dmd displays produce multi-colored displays for pinball games since 2012 they've added support for 95 games with many new titles in progress color dmd displays all share the same easy to install hardware platform multi-color operation can be changed at any time for use with any supported title find out more at colordmd.com and thanks for your sponsorship yes wonderful very much um it's great it's great to actually have uh the companies in the community supporting these events um like you you're one of our sponsors what's the what's the thought process for you what brings you here as a sponsor yeah am i putting you on the spot too much yeah yeah well i um i mean i like i do kind of feel like part of my job is is to go around and meet people and you know like meet customers to help support um pinball because it's i mean we all know it's it's a very niche kind of a thing and um being able to you know be able to contribute to events like this help make them better especially from a production standpoint carl does an amazing job i mean this booth here like all the technology is incredible that that gets employed to pull this off um hopefully it comes across as as seamless and and easy but it's a it's a ton of work and um so it's it's something to help pinball grow so we're going to be diving into the class of 1812 here ryan you want to give us a quick rundown uh maybe in a second once we get my control of the uh teleprompter sure yeah so i'm by no means an expert on this game but uh it's very multiball heavy uh you got uh every ball starts with lock lit on the right ramp here um which i don't have a teleprompter for yet and we win it so you're gonna be locking ball locking a ball on the right ramp and uh no no okay sorry against the teleprompter issues well great ramp that green flashing light right so uh the right ramp is gonna um you can see it right now it's blinking it's probably gonna just see it right off the bat dave's gonna shoot for it and he's missing and so you just lock a ball and then you plunge the next ball and you're in multiball during multiball the left ramp is a million per shot as long as you have two balls and still in play and uh you're gonna that lock on the right ramp is gonna be re you know pre-qualified for you at the beginning of everybody one important thing that i think a lot of people don't know is when you get out of multiball and you don't hit a major shot right away your left ramp will stay lit for millions and you can keep shooting millions until you hit a major shot like either another ramp or a loop or a scoop or a drop target so dave started his multiball but drained really quickly didn't manage to get any jackpots there it looks like there is grace period so he's out of note it's not the grace period it will just stay stays and yeah he just hit a drop target and that made it that the ramp wasn't lit anymore but it will just stay low so you could just keep shooting and keep shooting it yeah you can shoot it for minutes if if you don't hit anything else and now that he's played the multiball then getting back into multiball involves dropping down this set of drops on the left where there's the flashing red arrow there there's four four drop targets oh there we go he's out of it but sometimes the door price also awards uh multiball yes that's the scoot that is lit right now next to that flashing uh yellow yeah so dave finishes off ball one with 1.6 million um that is gonna be a little disappointing for that multiball to only take away the million from it the other kind of important feature in this game uh is the skill shot which is gonna be worth a million and you can get it on your locks as well um you can sort of see the red flashing light um there's three lanes at the top you want to punch just past the lanes into a little saucer and that'll give you a million points in qualifying i was having decent luck uh power plunging so pull the plunger all the way back and then grab it with your thumb your left thumb and like throw it forward as you plunge and um is ending up in the uh thing a lot so the uh the somebody asked in chat uh what ace gogi is i believe that's how you pronounce it and uh there's a that's a korean barbecue in los angeles that has an amazing collection of pinball machines they have a bounty on this game of 50 which gets awarded to the first person to score 60 million and nobody's done it yet it's a it's a difficult thing on this game because sometimes on god leaps you've got what i call the insta trap whenever it comes from a ramp you can just hold the flipper flipper up and it will trap it's it's the case on a lot of god leaps but not on this one so how you would get a lot of points on this one is get into multiball and just trap with the left flipper and backhand the ram but that's just not possible in this game so during qualifying i would have thought a a decent score on this game was around 15 million um that that was sort of when i was stepping up to it i wanted 15 and to count on my card um great scores of course were going a lot higher than that if you play this game on location um this one is much harder oh god look at that oh my goodness that was an amazing save um that is one of the features of this tournament is that the games are fair you can move them so that that was uh jordan duchesne he is uh somebody from colorado that you've probably never heard of because he's only been playing um competitive pinball for a little over a year and last time he checked he was top 20 in um ifpa rating uh his ranking isn't quite there yet because you got to travel to a lot of tournaments together but he he had an incredible nudge there to bring it back into the field of play and then that insane you know rattled it out out lane and he's playing some good players here right now android masenkov uh won papa one time right dave stewart is a great player who's been around for years uh only mikko jamies is a player from finland uh who's been playing for ever since i've been playing pinball at least i think that's like over 15 years right traveling out for tournaments as well let's see what andre can do on this ball stepping up to ball one um you can see the scores for all the players on the screen but we've also got scorpion integration on this game so they're also displayed in text below each of the players locations let's see what so andre andre plays on the fly he is known for being very much an on-the-fly player you know it's not to say he won't trap up but he's not going to take a lot of time while he's trapped up i think right now he's trying to shoot the right targets because he dropped down out of all the targets there's some targets behind it that can give you pointer you're basically locked out of anything else while that's happening so you cannot start your multiball you cannot get the door price so he was available if he could have hit all three of those stand up targets he was getting two million points each time he completed those with scores in the 10 million range 2 million is valuable it really is valuable but also i mean there's there's also a hurry up on the left uh stand ups that's uh i believe starts at five maybe millions counts down yeah that one's definitely a little more valuable and but this game's up oh there we go dave stewart hits the skill shot so you'll see he gets a million points from that which is if you can do that on every ball like having a three million base is really nice um and on your locks if you can tried it but i don't think it rewarded me millions maybe it did maybe i just didn't notice it when i played this game so dave's going for that lock shot he's trying to get the ball controlled on the left flipper um you can see he's using some what we think of as fairly normal skill uh flipper skills here post pass just to flick the ball over and there we go we've got a lot that's it it's unfortunate that we don't have sound right now because i just love the song that this game has when you're in in multiball it's it's chickens doing the 1812 overture it is so there you go she got his skill shot got his million points for it now can you get the balls under control see it's really difficult to backhand that ram so you definitely want it on the right flipper this is perfect this is the perfect position i didn't quite get it stopped in qualifying i was able to backhand that left ramp actually it it had to be perfect yeah um so it it's possible uh so you see there is a post there but it does not have a rubber on no so that ball does not come up with very much he did not get many millions this round at least not in his multiball so this ramp is also harder than a typical ramp you'd see on the low on location i believe that the yellow tapered uh post rubbers that they have put on it in front of the ramp are wider than you would typically have on this game to make that shot narrower and harder so that people can't just repeat it over and over again forever i see carl put a little clip of the awesome outlane save which you saw a few minutes ago so people can re-watch it if they want that thanks actually that was pinball nerds podcast and hipsters both clips thank you guys that's how great of a save it was so this is only mikko uh stepping up for ball two he didn't really get anything going on ball one but at least he's starting his multiball now yep so let's see if we can get this skill shot but what's most important is to get control so that you can start trying to capitalize on those millions yes taking this time i like how the the little um the lights show you that you have to punch your ball there's an arrow there yeah there's some really cool uh lighting effects that they've done this does this one spell tilt when you talk dead i don't know because i know they do that on space shuttle they might do that on this as well if they're uh using the grid for texas so it's just like dave he's trying to get control of both balls before oh he's better he's got the first million and can he post catch oh nice very nice so you can see that you could repeat that indefinitely if you can pull it off and it's still lit for millions right now so he's definitely still trying to make that ramp ah so even though he did he got one million it's still you're gonna get one million on the way out yeah and then keep going until you can keep going like if you can if you don't hit anything else like it's still going right now it's out so as soon as he hit that orbit that's when the lights went out so it's not it's not a grace period because god lives often don't really have a grace period it's really just it will just stay lit until you hit anything else all right so now he's out of multiball um door price could award it again i don't think anyone's going to shoot door prize on purpose but there it bounced in and what does it give him it gives him small points what are the other awards so there's light extra ball there's 500 000 there's instant multiball um those are the ones i can think of right now yeah maybe like half a million is in there too right like 50 000. half a million like multiball or get multiball so um okay so yeah what what do what do we think he's doing here is the so there's some that light that green light on the right ramp i don't believe it's lit right now uh okay no it's not yeah he's probably going for those targets on the left which he was delight the next lock which just killed him so i think the light is blinking when the multiball is ready okay and it's probably just ghosting um when it's uh not active he may have also felt that he he may have also not felt secure with the postcast and trying to get the ball to the right flipper that way that's true that's a good it's a good way to pass on something i said postcast and then post pass that's unfortunate for jordan yeah there's no ball safe on this game and there's no there's no way to short plunge right i mean you have to go through the lanes up top into the pockets yes and even if you hit the skill shot it feeds it back into the pop it does yeah very very much just getting the ball in control is this step one on this game yeah like you get that skill shot but you're in danger every time which is high variability on these scores andre hits a skill shot for a million points up to 3.5 million passing player two uh which is only miko this is ball two there's still more to come here but let's see if andre can get a multiball going oh they've been struggling with hitting that multiball start it ends up being one of these things uh we were talking about this the other day the nerves when you start to get into the finals you will almost always see no one misses a shot late everyone misses their shots early um because when those nerves start coming you get anxious and you just you're just a little fast because you're amped up more than you normally would be and you'll you'll notice that almost everyone misses these shots early are you able to take advantage of that ever by you know thinking to yourself okay you know late as you're warming up for that shot that you have to take i know some people will be able to do things like that to settle themselves or to think through i i my personal opinion after reading inner game of tennis is to uh let my intuitive focus do it but um dave's in multiball right now yeah so let's see if we can get control and start taking ramps that's one of all traps yeah so i wondered there if maybe he was going to take an early shot with the first one because it's such a close game and a million is you know worthy there's one and he did but it um it collided with the other ball and he was out of control and he only had one million million shot not late anymore he thought it was gonna bounce so dave uh finishes up this game after bonus with 6.7 million that is certainly a score that any one of these players can chase down it doesn't take much of a multiball to get past that yeah do you think he might have played that differently there if he was say had you know jordan score with 200 000 there's not a ton of strategic choice here like with the rules being set up so that the multiball is always lit at the beginning of the ball the safest thing to do is to shoot that ramp right i don't think you change your mind and go multiple that's true but but i felt like maybe he rushed that a little bit he could have waited for the second ball to come down but he yeah because he had he had the ball on the right flipper so even if that second ball would have drained he could have still had a shot at that million that's all right so early mikko has hit his lock shot see if he can get his skill shot and uh he just needs to hit the ramp uh three times roughly four times to pass player one dave stewart right now and probably he wants a few more to make sure that nobody else is gonna pass him but really on game one in this format so we're playing um in what's typically called a papa style form uh finals here um the winner of the game will get four points uh second place will get two points third place one point and fourth place zero yes the most important thing in game one is don't take a zero um so i like to step up and be very much my first goal is make sure i pass dave um before i even start worrying about uh yeah crushing so his million shot is still lit as you can see even now and now yeah okay and now it's not lit anymore because you shoot the orbit okay so we were saying before it's uh you know a switch will turn it off but not the inland switch on the turn and there he goes he got instant multiball so he's right back in from the mystery award in the door um so yeah door prizes can be very valuable at a party with a whole bunch of non-descript monsters thank you for the subscription buffalo pinball all right can he get the balls under control no but again million is still there millions still lit so maybe if you can get like because it's not going to timeout so he should just like take his time to catch his ball and shoot that million shots there you go millions and it's still going to be lit so he can still do this so like you said you can't just lift it up and have it come to rest but you could tip it over like that yeah beautiful half a million from that door prize much better than the 50 000. yeah so he's on 10 million he's definitely oh oh look at that that post helping him out but even more impressive on the on the gottlieb game like this with the pointy flippers because it's just these they feel different than other games you know everything is a little bit different so being able to do those same little subtle flipper skills is really impressive yeah so he's got his the little mode on the right uh ready which will time out in 10 seconds got a another 2 million from that up to 14 million still has his grover millions going if he can hit all three targets he can cash out another two million that's got nine seconds left it looks like it reset the timer when he yeah when he cashed it out it resets the timer so this is the thing where it's i'm i don't know in my own play it's like when you're ahead you know what kind of things do you do and you know like that so that's a dangerous 2 million to collect but it's 2 million it's a dangerous 2 million to collect but your alternative is to be shooting dangerous drop targets to try to re-qualify your locks true it is yeah and when i was playing this in qualifying my mind went like no i should not shoot those shots because it's gonna drain my ball but if you see the scores if you can actually manage that those two millions are like really worth it because the scores are not that high in qualifying so jordan really hasn't got anything going yet we'd like to see him actually try to get a multiball here um he just doesn't seem to be comfortable thi s is not his game but he's not right now it's it's game one it's game one yep totally you know you can win win and own your own destiny but if in this game if you don't cash in your multiball on each ball that's a big miss because that's that's like opportunities for points that you're not that you're not getting and then you have to do the same what everybody else did only in one ball at the last thing yeah class of 1812 is a polarizing game i i've probably said in the past that i that i hate it but uh playing it a little bit this weekend i just changed my mind a little bit i mean the audio is so ridiculous and the theme and the artwork's just all over the place but like we said in the chat there it's a simple game but uh it's it's fun to do the to do the thing i've got very fond memories of this game i went to papa 7 in 2004 and i didn't have a lot of money i was 16 and this game was on free play so i basically played the class of 1812 for four days in a row and it was great all right so andre has uh started his multiball um as the big arrow in the middle of the screen shows the ball is sitting in the shooter lane and as we said andre's a very on-the-fly player so we're gonna see some some furious flipping here yeah i'm interested to see whether he will or maybe not okay no he flipped away he's still kind of on the fly like he did catch his ball but he didn't wait for the other ball to settle and to go for his millions there's one million he needs a that was a really second million really big shot here oh no there's not gonna be enough bonus to do that that was that was a point so it seems like only mikko is getting the four points dave to andre yeah andre one point and jordan zero points going into game two dave probably has choice so one of our sponsors is scorbit which is a insane device that you stick inside of your pinball machine it uh reads the scores on the fly we have those uh showing the scores during the finals here live and then these so here's the games that are all going on right now um some of these are a some of these are b and uh the little uh circles when you see the circle there with a number in it that's what ball number it is so for example scared no okay now we're moving over to scared stiff right now okay in progress scared stiff uh this is colin mcalpine it looks like they are so i think they're on ball two um and they uh we can see the scores colin is player one he's got ten million and he's got scared stiflet he's going uh actually i think he's in uh create multiball right oh he's incredible oh yeah he's multiple i was like he's got all the things two balls in play and the only thing to do here is shoot the crate which is straight up the middle uh with the the red flashing lights up there and you starts out at 250k per shot and then it increases the more you make uh now that's interesting that he's going for the left ramp there uh you kind of lost the playfield cam here for a second but uh there is i i hear about this increasingly that uh the left ramp uh if you make consecutive shots the value starts at what's 50 or 100k and it can get up to 450k yeah so it will be worth more than your jackpots in the crate multiball that's true so bony bc combos is safer and uh the really strong players can keep uh keep shooting that over and over again it's similar to the metallica uh ramp piston approach that a lot of the players will take yes and so while the camera's being reset here i'm in this game we're gonna see uh everybody's pretty much gonna be playing multiball uh the uh the coffin multiball which is uh you qualify locks on the left ramp and then you shoot the left orbit to light locks and then uh less popular but we'll probably see as we did you see will be the crate multiball which is right up the middle and you can see there's a two little blinking lights on top of the crate there the third set that shows your crate progress so he's about he's a little past halfway on uh progress for crait um another thing that so he could let the ball go there which he's gonna do so uh there's this trick here for play field validation he's getting the skill shot and he's gonna uh likely pick one of the multiball extends probably the crate or the uh double trouble that's that could be a smart choice yeah it depends over so if if his multiball is ready okay this is great so uh oh that was ball two uh there's been a modification from the standard settings here that normally double trouble is 20 seconds but they've extended to 40 seconds which i think is a good idea because the 20 seconds you can't get very much done by the time you start the thing and so he's he's really well this the scores are doubled he really wants a left ramp and then a left orbit two left left ramps oh you're right okay now lock is lit and when you've got the double trouble going and you know you have to shoot that ramp it's difficult it is and unfortunately i wonder if he's now regretting starting double trouble because i i mean i personally i love to get that third lock lit so that it's just one shot before starting the double trouble because the jackpots are 500 000 each and doubled is a million and as you can see you know million per shot is significant in this game me as a not an american where is he from cantonsville md i don't know all the all the all the maryland is that maryland yep they if they choose they got the first letter in the last letter and it was like that works yeah makes sense we're just taking letters out until so this is ball three so um elliott did not manage to pass colin and he is to guarantee to take a zero on this because maybe that's why he chose double trouble by the way so because he knew it was ball three and he needed to do it to be able to pass colin so let's see what raymond uh does with his we don't have a camera on the spinning thing uh so he extended his coffin multiball that's going to start it so he had to lock and it was ready so it's gonna start um so does that consume the extender or do you start it and get your no you get your extender yeah it will it will award you one step of getting closer to multiball so if that is locking your last ball then it will start your multiple same with crate you can start crate the same way yes so he okay so here we're going to do alternating jackpots our alternating ramps is where the jackpots are so right now uh you can see that the right ramp is lit for jackpot and there it is 500k and now it's gonna move to the left ramp so he's gonna try and get that done um and you can see there's like these orange lightning bolts right above the flippers those are glowing that means his extender which he chose as a spider award is still on so if he loses one of these balls it's gonna re it's going to launch a new ball into play and restart the multiball so he's got a nice safety net going on and if he's doing the bonus he's doing the thing so so 250 300 350 and he's just gonna it goes like this until you miss right and then it resets back and so what is a um what does a multiball jackpot work 500 500 but you have to alternate ramps oh yeah so that's like i've seen people do it like just shoot one ramp and shoot the other and like keep that going so satisfying it really is but this allows him to keep one ball completely safe and then do this repeated shot and if he can keep it going for seven in a row he's getting more value per shot but as you can see every time he misses it goes even even if he doesn't hit another major switch it seems like it kind of times out and it goes back to 50k so you really got it now this is like a nice wide ramp um so it's it's in terms of pinball ramps it's rather repeatable um and he's one of the best players in the world in a row and it's safe he's definitely like like even when he this is even when he wouldn't make it up to loop nine where he is right now like it's still a safe shot with one ball trapped so it stays at loop nine at that point so it doesn't let you go any higher than the 450. that's right and now he's got his extender now he's gonna probably pass it over yep perfect and i mean this is this is a great example of like high level play that's sort of subverting the rules of the game right it wants you to shoot alternating ramps for jackpots like no thanks high level play and high level knowledge of the game oh this is great so now he's got two on the left he can repeat his bony beast yes and if he drains out he's got a ball stuck no he's got two left no he's got a ball stuck on the ramp he does you are correct did he shoot it into a plastic christmas tree i will not do that i would i would get somebody yeah so a td will come over and resolve this i think he's concerned about the repercussions here now okay so normally with a stuck ball um you have i guess that's what's gonna happen here you you're gonna they're gonna open up the glass they're gonna take it and put it on the flipper and you put it on whichever side of the field the ball is on you put it on that flipper so they're going to put three balls on them they're gonna put three balls on the left which is why i think he did the shake he probably did yeah but still like he got like two dangers really quickly uh so would you rather have three balls on one flipper or all balls in the drain because you've tilted that's true i mean i'm sure he regrets that and yeah just while we have a second in the booth here uh my name is ryan wenger and we with me is jasmine dion and are never drains in southern california at the open uh here at the museum of pinball this is uh the second round this is uh game one uh this is ball three player three you can see all this information in the lower left here uh it doesn't have the title of the game which is scared stiff we're playing right now a nice little cradle separation managed to get right back to where he was that was perfect and guess what we're gonna see here what do you think he's gonna do guys here we go he's probably going to shoot a ram yeah and he misses oh use the jackpot to cause this cradle separation and now he's back to bony b that was a nice mix of luck and skill there three in a row display's taking it's time to catch up four and he's right back to it yeah and we do you know with this scorebit uh integration sometimes uh you with the display animations you can't always see the score so if you look down below his name you'll uh you'll see the score there although it's a little behind and you can see other people's scores which is nice person the person from the black lagoon is asking about the women's playoffs you'll be able to probably watch the stream from yesterday on the ie pinball page i think if you go to like videos or something you can watch past streams so you'll be able to uh to get updated on that if you want to watch that again yeah i just noticed that it is actually his scoreboard is updating colin's score right now at the moment it'll update it every time it displays the score yeah but it's it's giving the points to collins oh it's giving the points okay so um they're probably on the fly working this out um ryan is jay is here i i think jay probably knows they've also um they were having some problems with the ball count on this game as well so do not look at those scores just look at the score 26 million is a very good score on this game yeah did you guys play this game in qualifying i did not i did and i my highest was 11 million okay what colin has i i felt it was very fair playing game um okay so here he's got scared stiff lead which means it completed the six objectives of this game if you guys are him right now are you trying to be playing okay i'm not i like you can complete what does completing stair stiff worth 20 no i think it gives you 5 million and the monster multiball okay and i think the monster multiple can be quite worth quite a lot i think the shots are like a million or something i believe every shot is a million but i haven't got it a lot so i'm not sure right so one of the things so here's what's going to happen he needs 10 shots he's got these two of them you you do ramps and then crates so he's got to hit either ramp uh they're both flashing with the red jackpot right now that's all there's nothing else to do and nothing else can wear points and now he needs to go in the crate uh which is right up the middle and but the problem is every time you hit the crate we're gonna see here the kick out yeah can can kill you it might not come to the flipper at all there it is that was a little bit of a pilot a little bit of a blunder but yeah everybody i mean as a competitive player you you're freaking out when that kick out comes a lot of times it's just going to bounce off the side and go out straight to the left out lane probably in turn in the tournament you kind of want to avoid getting too scared stiff like my strategy is just shooting rams just going for coffin and keep doing that and the rest is probably gonna follow but i'm definitely not trying to finish my monster's lap and i'm definitely not trying to finish the skulls because you want to get your opportunity to be able to get your multiball going that's absolutely high so interesting uh chose to actually do the proper skill shot instead of plunging the web oh he did okay i wonder why um it did we don't know the thing like we can't see what he already got on the web yes he may already have his extenders he may but then there's still like other stuff on there that could be worth going for yeah it's true and the points uh for that are kind of meaningless for him because he needs you know seven million to catch the next exclusive score yeah so he's got the spider lit again uh is he gonna or it's still lit i guess is he gonna go for it this time or is he gonna go for a skill shot again it now if you take the skill shot he took before with the yellow arrow um so he can let this drain here yeah i think he was definitely trying to get the spider steel shot i mean this is this is good awareness and and nerves right here you know because you don't want to just like you don't want to screw this up let the ball drain and walk away yeah as long as the score is still flashing you can let it drain but but you may not have time to look at oh this is okay double trouble so oh he was saving his double trouble right so he passed up the skill shot to ready his lock to start double trouble because he just locked he just locked ball two and he was trying to get his third ball ready for block ready that was really smart play unfortunately yeah it's really good play i i still wouldn't risk that top uh skill shot i would have just sacrificed the points yeah controlled to the he could have he could have um short plunged and got on the flipper so this was the last game uh that was being played uh in round one of round two for game one game one of round two so we're gonna move on to a new game now this is incredible to have two uh two rigs so we can watch one game and when it's over um get in on a second one yeah so in our in group one we had uh ollie miko with the game we watched only mikko took four points uh dave stewart with two points andre mastenkopf with one point and jordan de shane with zero we just saw our group two game where colin will take uh or where raymond will take that game with four points colin with two um uh levante will take one and elliott will take zero uh group three jim uh we had colin urban winning that game with four points second place chris warren third place lewis bevins and fourth place winners from group 4 looked like it was joe lemire uh group 5 taking the first game was jonathan stepp and group 6 david real taking the win there so we've got a lot of action still to go here we're going to go to game selection top seed we'll choose first so interesting in this format one of the things i really like that they do in this tournament is that each player may only select a game once in the entire finals ah so that's the same for it is the same for the open as it is for classes um so in early rounds actually the people who are the top seeds in these rounds are probably using all their choices because people with buys haven't come in yet and they're going to be driving the buses later so it doesn't have quite as much impact as it did in classics but it's still an interesting thing you know you have some of the top players who didn't necessarily see it as high as their rating or ranking would put them and so the decision as to whether to pull out that that game that you're super confident with or save it for the next round yeah is really tough there was one group in um in the first round where the highest siege chose two games got six points so then for his third game chose a game that he normally wouldn't have picked but because he knew kind of knew with his six points that he was pretty safe for moving on he could save maybe a future pick that he likes way more for one of the future rounds so you kind of have to be creative with the games that you're picking if you get the choice do you want to pick your best game right away or do you want to maybe save it if somebody like defers their choice to you then you can still pick a game that you really want to play yeah i think it led to an interesting mix of choices and decisions and classics so i had situations where i was playing with eric stone and he deferred the first game and then took a third so then he chose the second game you know he felt he felt confident about beating me and the rest of my group mates and then he said wait wait a minute i gotta get back in this and then i know by the time he reached the finals he'd sort of run out of picks and was uh deferring and we had a situation even where it got deferred twice and so the third uh third highest he'd get the pick so the other interesting rule here at the open is that the top qualifier um gets to optionally eliminate one game from the finals bank and put a new one and put a game from classics into the finals bank i don't think that so viking yes viking was eliminated and wizard was brought in oh wizard is in okay at least i'm assuming it was this rule still exists and that's what happened as opposed to yeah no yeah we were talking about it yesterday and it does still exist yeah so uh i think keith was our top seed right i don't know yeah i think it was so i was like around the 40s most of the time um the other decision that was made is rescue911 did not make it into the finals which is just sad it would have been so much fun to stream a 30-minute game of rescue 9-1-1 per player per player yeah totally i think it would have been interesting to see one one good ball of it and then just that's it we'll move to a different game after that there were some long long multi-balls played on rescue 9-1-1 you'd look at the queue and everything would be 30 minutes and rescue 911 was an hour and 20 minutes it was interesting i think we're gonna watch sopranos again because we're following dave's group no we're not gonna watch sopranos thank you for the compliment strategy jojo and anybody else in chat if you have any questions about uh rules or strategy or uh you know the tournament the format anything for us we're gonna go to group two and we're gonna be following alice cooper i don't know anything about this game i i know a little i've played it a few times i've played it a few times and should know the rules better than i do so i i can walk us through a little bit of this i don't think we have teleprompter yet question mark no it's dead okay it's dead we will not be teleprompting but that's fine um so that was my half my job that was halfway down here for the drawing uh so stepping up to this game most of your points are coming from modes modes are huge um the big thing you want to do here is if you complete a mode then it starts a frenzy a timed frenzy where you have unlimited ball play if you drain it's going to come back hit as many switches as you can and when that time expires there's a little stand up target on the left uh that if you hit that you cash in the entire value of that and you can be getting 30 40 million out of those hurry up modes okay so the key is get modes going where do you start those modes so to start the modes you uh there's two ways you can be doing it so you're shooting orbits um so if you shoot either the left or right orbit um that will qualify towards locking in your mode once you're ready to start your mode you can either start it on those orbits again or if you hit the center three bank targets which are kind of hidden by the upper play field there's three stand-up targets there then that will light the hidden passage which is that shot just right there to left and that will start your mode okay so those are those are your key focuses now these modes are all uh incredibly different in how they play some of them are much there's good arguments as to which ones are safer and which ones are better i think highest point value and reasonably safe is probably creature from the pit which is sort of my preference for mode to be going to insects and werewolf i think are okay i don't like any of the modes that involve the upper place does this have a ball save like in goldeneye yes it has a magnetic ball save um if you you spell save by going through the inlanes um and if you spell save it will qualify uh okay kind of like what they did on tna yeah as well okay all right so um [Music] this is this so this is elliot and uh he there's a lock um sort of i don't know my teleprompter but it's uh just to the left of the right ramp he locked a ball in there and then uh freed it to start a two ball multiball that's available at any time and it's not particularly valuable but you know in a situation like this you don't want to end up with a you know a nothing score and so with within that multiball can you can you start modes or you can unlock the modes while you're in the multiball but you can start a mode and then bring the multi-volume oh so that could be very nice like if you manage to start a mode first then get that multiball going all right so elliot is in werewolf so werewolf i like the thematic integration to this you'll see there's a bunch of green shots flashing and there are red shots uh if he hits a green shot he will load his crossbow and then he has to hit the three bank of stand-ups to fire the crossbow at the werewolf oh it's not a crossbow anymore it's a gun the gun was silver bullets yes maybe i was arguing maybe they changed the animations um so uh if you hit a red shot the monster does damage to you and if you hit the monster you do damage to it what is the damage that it does to you like does it steal points from you no there's two health bars okay and what happens when you get low is that just the end of the movement yeah okay um if if the monster beats you and if you beat the monster you go into the front okay it's fun to see a mode where you're like physically like trying to avoid shots because yep and so because this is on uh competition settings a competition install uh the werewolf will always be the first mode if no one changes it you can change what mode you're on by hitting that three bank of standups okay but that sounds like a dangerous shot to do so you might as well just start the mode that you're on so you see he hit the three bank and it says two more to light secret passage um inferno squad is talking about champion stop i think there also you can like you get damage and it will like finish your mode if you don't defeat the guy so he has hit the the target three times so the speaker passage is now lit to start the mode and he will start his mode that way instead of using the orbits yeah sounds like his dangerous shots now would you ever consider uh chatzing on this game to light your save so i i don't remember what i think that what they've done with the rules on this game it is not the same as um on alice cooper or not that scooper on um tna uh no rob's on me so on rob zombie you get it and then it's you're safe but on this one you get it and then it times out after a few seconds so you might want to like hit three of them and make sure you're left with the last one um but i don't i wouldn't do that but i did i yeah i don't know i haven't played this game enough to know if that's a valuable strategy can you you know you want to build that safety net before you get going so there is also a second multiball in the game oh right and you've got a fan in the chat um thanks chris so there's the feed your frankenstein multiball which has shared locks between all of the players but they're fairly at least the first lock is shared it's fairly easy to get so you lock you lock a ball up the ramp uh that locked one ball in the backbox the second location is to go into the upper play field shoot that little drop target and then put it up the ramp behind that okay um okay so so while we were trying to get to know the game i think they are on ball two now yes colin mcalpine so because colin's going first is that can we sort of imply that he was the one who chose i'm pretty sure yeah i don't think anybody of this group on this game would pick to go first or maybe they would but i would say you would probably want to get four so you can like see what the other people are doing so i think it means we can expect that colin knows this game best or he knows this game quite well and this is if you don't know this is a rather new game it's manufactured out of wisconsin kind of the mom and pop manufacturer spooky pinball i don't say that to the derogatory their their every game of theirs gets better and better and more sort of competition worthy uh you know good good for location and uh so yeah i i think you know this is a game probably that he thought he had an advantage over everybody else that's why i chose it yeah it is very much a it's a challenging layout you know uh there's a lot of shots tight shots they're very tight shots that i know a lot of pinball enthusiasts kind of feel like it's got one too many shots if you just open them all up a little but i like it i think it's really great for this level of competition uh because it is hard it's a hard game to play and there's a lot of bowen's done a great job with the rules balancing this out so that there's a lot of decisions the players are making i wonder how well raymond knows the game because it is on location in seattle at quite a few bars so he's definitely had the chance to to practice the game all right so colin is uh he's in his uh two ball multiball looks like you can reveal the secret passage while you were in this uh you're collecting these ghost jackpots uh which are lit through like probably that green shot now um but they're not huge relative to what you could score and actually doing well in a mode um so you think he is making mode progress here yeah he's at least making progress towards lighting the secret passage okay so the right orbit is the one that's flashing now is i mean this is kind of small but on the display on the on the uh lcd backlash there that's above the players names there's a little uh sort of pyramid-y looking thing with x's in it um at the very bottom between the scores and so there's a red x in there and that shows where you are on the map and you you start at the bottom and you progress to the top and so left orbits take you to the left and right over stay to the right so you can see he's like kind of in the top left corner which means there's nowhere to go left the final uh you know to light the mode is to the right so that's why the right orbit is lit and that's what he has to do next so i guess i was wrong because he did start insects so you can make mode progress you can start the mode from the two ball so i was wrong that seems like the way to go that was careful then i would probably get into that multiball as soon as i can and just try getting a moat going all right so this is um insects insects is a mode where there are green shots they squish the insects you need to squish starship troopers so yeah there's a splat nice uh they're smaller insects but the shots are not very valuable in this mode and there's a lot of them um this game so what happens when you're in a mode in this game uh like if he drains here what will happen if he drains it we'll end the mode okay but he's the mode does not time out is that correct so i thought they added the ability to mode to timeout but i guess i'm wrong because i don't see a timer okay yeah a lot of games you know the mode you start a mode and um it times out this game you are in this mode until you finish it so if you start a mode like insects with a lot of shots he's in this for the rest of the ball until he finishes and now he's out that's unfortunate because he's when he drains his ball it will not come back in the next ball no because that's what like on black knight for example when you start a mode and you haven't finished it or it hasn't timed out and the next ball it will still be on so on the old code it continued your mode but people really like they'd start vampire which requires you to hit the guillotine in the upper play field and if you were locked into that for the remainder of the game and everything else was blocked out it was really not an enjoyable aspect there was just no progress you could make yeah so um shadow till you you're asking for a clarification on the period mr mr roboto is talking about the guillotine [Laughter] the so i i call it a pyramid i guess it's sort of a diamond so there's a tiny little diamond like the you know look at the lcd very bottom in the center yep there's a diamond right there it's okay so that's showing that he's um sort of in the upper left there you're trying you start at the bottom you try and get to the top so all that's left here is a shot to the right side all right we got werewolf uh so he spotted it som ehow there to be he went through the secret passage okay um wait so the the little pyramid map thing is is that for modes or that's for that's for most that's how you do it through the orbits okay but if you qualify the secret passage you can bypass the uh walking through the mansion okay and you do that with the hitting the dangerous sender targets and then shooting through the narrow uh but it's backhandable but there's a narrow hidden shot oh that came back again all right so you can see on the display on the left is the monster's health and on the right is the player's health so if whenever he successfully fires his gun he will bring down the monster's health and if he hits a red shot the monster will hurt him what do you mean by successfully fires his gun so to fire the gun you must do that so step one it's two stage process step one you hit a green shot to load the gun okay that's a single shot shotgun uh so you load it with a silver bullet or maybe it's a rifle um and now you must hit the then you hit the three bank to hurt the monster um the shots that you and that's a missed shot so he hit one of the red um so now his health has gone down slightly this is pretty involved how many how many do you know how many shots you need to i think you're all the werewolf go through i it may be the full six shots uh like each of those uh green targets each time he hits one the shot goes away so the next time he has to hit a different shot and he's here looks like he's one away maybe two away is he right now like really trying to go for those shots yes he very much is so now he needs the right ramp would it would it would it be like can you like within his mode like he could also start that two ball multiball right like would that be worth going try to put it in here or uh he was in the two ball multiball i'm not sure he can he must be able to go back because it's always available yeah um no right now i think in single ball play he has a better chance of finishing off this mode so he all he needs here is the right ramp and then the three bank so yes mine do you think that ray is the kind of player who you said there were a bunch of these on location do you think he's the kind of player who would go out knowing that this is going to be in the bank and practice on it a little bit um he might be able to do that yeah he might do that um there's also we have in seattle we've got the monday night pinball league where you have to play in other locations against other teams so you would sometimes go practice before so i can imagine that he went to one of the locations before and actually played this game and practiced this game so he might through other tournaments that are in seattle might already know this game so raymond finished out that ball he had one one shot to the three center bank to start his frenzy when that ball drained that was incredibly frustrating and disappointing finishes at that ball with 11 million um the mode's been loaned so he has to restart his modes uh to get anywhere he's going to be very frustrated from that to not be able to close the gap to colin now in europe these games are probably extremely rare so i i don't know because when spooky kind of came out with their games i moved to seattle so i don't really know how rare or not rare these games are what i do know and i hope it's changing in europe i know that it's changing in some cities is that there's just not a lot of location play not a lot of like pinballs in bars all americans here should feel really spoiled when they've got pinballs in bars and they can just go somewhere and hopefully the new stern is going to be there because in most places in europe that's just not the case so in the netherlands where i lived my hometown had one game in a bar was the lebowski bar and they had the big lebowski and they had on another bar game of thrones and batman 66 and i lived in a big city and just started a two-ball multiball there a lot of people this might not be clear but when you lock a ball um in that where that one just went and then you get up on the upper play field you can drop it underneath that upper flipper and that will start the multiball it's kind of like this sneaky backdoor way of uh it's and and sort of safer you know than going for that drop down yeah so he's got eight bugs to go any of the green shots will squish the bug this did not stop his insect mode his multiball's over but he can still progress towards this and try to uh try to get to that frenzy i want to see someone get the franchise i want to say by the way did i don't entirely agree with puppymen 42 because i think european food is better so maybe on pinball you guys are winning but not on food yeah i know that the one of the reasons the german uh tournaments are kind of set up the way they are is that they're just they can't have coin op machines on location now a lot of what i think the big difference is is that a lot of bars in europe are allowed to have gambling machines in bars they take way less space they're they break down less like on the place of one pinball machine you can put two of those gambling machines so you just don't see them as much unfortunately amsterdam's got a few games on location mostly in coffee shops that's where you can can smoke weed because you're not allowed to have gambling machines in those places but yeah i don't know about switzerland where lavente is from i don't know how location pimble is over there i do know that levent is probably going to those german tournaments and they may have one over there i don't know i've never been there so this is colin stepping up to the final ball of this game he's got i mean what looks sort of like a big lead as you know it's 24 to 10 to 11 to nine uh it's that it's not that sizable in this game you know one well played mode uh can easily uh win this game for anybody yeah and uh so colin is going to be trying to make progress here towards uh starting his next mode or will he just sort of play it safe and try to get that multiball now with lock stealing enabled you don't necessarily want to throw that uh lock in there for some other player to take it's a nice strategic that's true i mean i would say the main multiball uh the one from the upper play field that uh it's the second lock that's really difficult the first one is just a ramp that's not i wouldn't worry personally too much about that and interesting with the other uh multiball behind the drop target uh by the right ramp is that if you lock a ball and you don't start the multiball because he's got a lot got it here he's got it locked if he doesn't start this multiball and then another player does colin gets a million points uh no that's turned off no it's turned off oh come on so that's turned off because we're playing four player groups okay and so you could collude or you're helping another player oh so you could like when normally you would be able to steal somebody's lock but then you would give that other player points even if their game's already over oh it's i think that's a cool rule i don't i mean i understand you're an illusion ryan you're welcome to go post on tilt forums and start this argument yeah i mean i'm not the biggest fan of things like that just like the plundering and um jersey jack i feel like like you'd need to play your best game and yeah but this is like you get compensated so you know if some people are very against lock stealing this is a compensation for for lock stealing right like he he gets uh he's either gonna get a multiball out of it or a million points from somebody else you know so colin started his uh multiball and he seems to have started a mystery which advanced monster uh progressing through the castle castle this is the castle this game does have a lot of like ball saves that start in the middle of the ball like right here we got the flashing uh uh light above the flippers so if you don't know that is the ball save light so right now he okay so it's awesome so yeah so colin has started creature so this is a throwback to creature from the black lagoon um oh he's talking in the hiding phase he must have found it on his first shot so there's two phases to this the first phase colin is not happy with that but he is in the lead right now so i don't get to talk through it first stage is like creature from the black lagoon there's three shots the creature is hiding in one of them so it's a throwback to that okay and then the second phase is one of the coolest modes i've seen in pinball in a long time you have to hide you have to put the ball in a place where it can't be seen in a scoop or around the orbit where it's blocked by the upper play field then you have to hide for 10 seconds and it counts down to like the 0.1 of a second how long you are hidden um to finish the mode that's awesome i didn't know that all right so this is elliott stepping up um he's got uh you know he's got some work to do to catch colin uh but it's very tight between him and the rest of the players so he's i mean you know you're gonna be trying to start modes uh which he just did so he's one shot away from lighting a secret passage but he pulled a orbit there which uh let's see what his mystery tilt next player no advanced monster and he's going to start zombie uh so zombie has a whole bunch of lit it has a moving shot moving around the play field there's a few are maybe multiple movie shots around the play field uh which you just have to hit and hit some number of them um so you can see right now if he drops it but yeah there we go yeah that was great uh so head shot on the zombie four more to go uh in the count the value for the zombie this is a hurry up um you get more value the faster you shoot the zombie so four to go and how much roughly how much you get from each shot here well he's three thousand three hundred thousand right now okay uh there's another shot in the zombie oh and it's doubled as a combo and that's tripled as a triple combo so now so now it's a million uh because the timer reset but it goes down pretty fast uh so it's in that secret passage shot up the middle which is backhandable there we go headshot two to go i want to see someone finish a mode we've got a bunch of viewers from europe germany that's fun yeah thanks everyone for tuning in uh hope you're enjoying the coverage of the open here at never drains in southern california we are in the second round is that what this is called second round game two and we're following group two here uh two shots to go still so this is we had some players with um buys single buys and players with double buys so for this round the players with the single buys came in and next round the players with the double buys will complete the field yeah so i think here uh colin was the one with the uh with the single buy elliot just needs one more shot to finish this mode out where do you see that oh up on the display it says countdown 600 one to go to go one ah there it is i thought maybe that was an exclamation point i buy pinball black knight will be up when somebody picks it so now we have a frenzy mode um so you can see that he has a timer of 22 seconds left that ball's coming back 22 seconds to hit as many of the lit shots as possible again it's counting down it's still coming back unlimited oh yeah that flat you'll see that flashing light between the flippers so so now like if he hits it fast this is 1.5 million there we go now these aren't being awarded to his score these are being banked into the wave two uh into the time when it times out so three seconds left he's gotta get cradled up now perfect no oh he went for one more i would have waited and tried to hit that hurry up that just got circled so you can see 13 counting down eight it looks like he knows he knows to hit it and now it's not worth much so that's when he cast that last jackpot he was cradled on the right i would have waited for the timer to expire uh you would have cost yourself a million on the hurry up that value but you had a controlled shot right when it expires five seconds left get cradled so he passed colin there yeah that was great um up to 39. that is crucial and he's really excited to be in that position because if he hadn't passed colin we could have been in the situation where colin and raymond could have locked locked it up uh their advancement before the third game so now we're now everybody still has life yep all right let's see what uh raymond davidson stepping up for ball three let's see what he can get going used a ball save um but he is progressing through the oh that is not coming back right now that is not coming back so he is 14 million 14 million so he just wants to get that one point now she's hoping that lavender is not going to pass him but levent of course wants to pass everybody because he really needs those four points yeah so this is and none of those scores as we've seen are uh out of reach there's certainly uh points available got that multiball the two ball multiball did he steal that ball from somebody else yes he definitely stole that ball from somebody else who will not get a million that's what you guys really need that's what you get for leaving a ball out there when you drain but like imagine that put call in the head that's that's true that would be weird right right yeah so i'm glad they turn it off here i can imagine it can be fun when you're just in a bar playing with friends and like annoying each other by stealing balls but so i don't know how to play this game for safety like if you just need four million points i don't know if there's something else you can do like combos seem to be a few hundred thousand um but that doesn't sound safe uh yeah because all the shots that you've been talking about shooting the drop targets or shooting that orbit that doesn't always come to the flipper nicely there's a combo and those those a hard left orbit shot i do not like the way that comes around you know it comes around to the tip of the right flipper you gotta just you gotta hit another shot oh that was an unfortunate drain for him and that's it you go halfway up that ramp i just wanted to ask you guys how much is bonus on this game but not enough for lavente to pass raymond so we've got overextracted asks if someone has a triple buy are they in sync that's a terrible and wonderful pun [Laughter] buy all right so if you're just tuning in we are here at uh the open at it never drains in southern california at the museum of pinball i am ian harrower and to my right ryan wagner and yasmine dion hello thank you everyone for tuning in and joining us here we've got a lot of pinball today uh we are in the second round uh we will be covering the finals for the open as well as after the open concludes there will also be high stakes finals where qualifying is still going on right now uh the prize money for high stakes is looking really it was really big surprisingly big yeah um i think you're getting more points from you're getting more money uh cash out of uh high stakes than you are out of um that's why it's called high stakes four thousand one hundred and ninety two dollars for first place in high stakes and the open uh the the top prize is a pinball pinball machine and uh second place is going to be 3000 and then uh 2015. is it going to be a stern new inbox i believe it is a stern or is it going to be that viking i believe it's a monsters monsters premium black and white or color girl color oh i want uh that's why i didn't try that hard and you're like i want the color um no that's a great prize uh all right so we are joining in progress in the under boss this is the wizard mode we are joining in the wizard mode if he gets to boss he gets the ball he gets the the bounty if somebody already didn't get it i think he's getting too under boss isn't the wizard yeah i think you have to collect all the red lights that are around under boss to qualify boss yeah so under boss but i'm not entirely sure i've never got that so before we explain that i think so this is ball two player four andre has 120 million and no one else has more than 20. so i mean he's feeling really good right now um and i actually don't know i mean i've probably been here once so i don't know that i could say anything you just hit a bunch of stuff and it's worth a ton of points he is very close to getting uh over the top score in qualifying the top score is 138. wow it's incredible when that happens right there was this game how many hours of qualification three whole days of qualifying top players in the world hundreds maybe even a thou i mean how many attempts at hundreds of attempts and then in you know in the finals here to put up the top score of them all is unbelievable now there are like i i know like great i saw andre play a game of meteor where he like rolled it on ball two um but that was on avoid that ended up being unavoided tickets oh so the top scorers don't necessarily always make it so that's true good point uh tater salad a wizard got put in from the classics bank so viking is out because of that and rescue one 9-1-1 they took it out because it just took forever for people to finish all their multi boxes it wasn't a technical issue no it was not a technical issue no it works last night perfectly fine yeah it was the last game being played when people finished yeah so i believe the general idea in underboss is to continue hitting all of the jackpots until you spell under boss and that gives you a big jackpot and then you just do it again so you're just hitting all the shots and it's interesting this is a game which you you can play very controlled uh to set things up but it also works as a game to play on the fly and i don't know it's like a lot of the shots they sort of take a while you know that when multiple balls are out there shots are sort of gone for a while and they come back and that probably suits i mean i think that suits andre's style pretty well to be it does slinging balls around so when you go when you guys are in this position like you you've got underballs you've got like need a few red lights you've got 100 and over 160 million points would you try and get boss you know just to show off in the finals like maybe or would you just get back into multiple and just continue with the strategy that you've been doing well if it was me personally since i've never played boss you would probably go for it i guess that's funny i was going to say the opposite that is a reason to go for it but it's also a reason not to go forward because i won't know what i'm doing when i get there so i have been in finals where like maybe i was um overconfident but i've been in a situation like this where i did switch to trying to make the wizard mode because i'd never done it in my life and i was like i may not get another chance you're like i want to do this yeah yeah and if you could get it on stream that's all the better um you know it's tough to be in like keeping that mindset that says if i got here someone else can get here that's totally knowing that even grinding out five million more points could be the difference between taking a foreign totally true but you should also think that he is on 170 million right now which is higher than the top qualifier score so all these people have been trying for three days and have not got this so what is the chance of those other plays players actually getting to that so we got stu godz here two ball multiball gotta apologize sorry i want to go ahead let's say your thing it's gonna apologize to the chat uh it seems to be blocking the word flashers as it potentially root you know sexual word it means something different and totally normal to us and pinball uh yeah this game has really bright flashers and uh maybe we will let those pose our producer will allow those to come through um yes so um right we're in a two ball multiball here um the general general value that you're getting out of here you hit the stand up to cash in jackpot hit this stand up a few times and then it will stay down you then can put a ball in the boat for a single jackpot and then put the sec a timer to put the second ball back in the boat for a super jacket yeah now is there an outer ball yes if you spell fish and then on the left side you've got the fish the first award there will be an edible okay so it's really nice to get that i think you can also progress get progress to betta bing into uh your students multiball if you [Music] started the 100 if you started the counter towards the 100 switches yeah before you started this mode but i don't know that you can make progress towards qualifying bing during this mode i believe that's true unbelievable what a and that's yeah his bonus basically puts him in first place uh unfortunately uh andre is player four so we will not we may not get to see him play that out um although he does have the right he does he does this is actually the highest score i've ever seen not sopranos that i've seen anyone play all right it's just here but ever if you are just joining us this sopranos is not stock um this has been modified and there is no prosciutto plunger no so you must you must fire using the flippers um this is a common papa does this as well on this game uh this game has three switch validations actually the the drop target doesn't qualify the play field um as they often don't because they can malfunction and so you can get into multiball without ever qualifying the play field uh if you allow players to short plunge so they have taken out the shooter yeah so basically getting into multiball without technically starting your ball yeah and it's yeah i think the only other modification we have here really is just uh to make the locks more difficult on stuttgart multiball which and bing and bing okay yeah oh yes this is normally 75 switch hits so this one's 100. dave had no problem getting right into it despite needing more of those dangerous um drop targets so we're going to see this multiball a lot this is kind of like the go-to it definitely is yeah did he already get his fish um i'm gonna say no so yeah fish is the inlanes and outlanes they're blue uh lights that are kind of flickering a little bit right now so that he just oh that could have been a grace i period there's a fairly long grace period yeah so he went out through to completed fish on the way out with that second ball and he took a shot for the fish to get a ball and revive it but didn't make it so dave stewart took uh two uh in the first game and so here he's probably thinking about going towards bing yeah yeah i think i think he's getting his better being ready that's the left ramp there that's with the purple inserts and uh after a couple shots it's gonna hold the ball and then give him a countdown to a certain number of switches and when he reaches that that'll just multiple start amusing so let's see if he's played one before because progress does carry over he does yeah but it looks like he hasn't so we have to hit 100. there is a spinner which is that shot that he just hit so yeah what you kind of want to go for is you want to go to the spinner and the pop bumpers because it can stay in the pot bumpers for a really long time and each hit will get you closer to starting your multiball this time it did not stay in the pop-up for very long i was actually giving it a nudge to make sure it hit that bottom pop like just to pop it up to try to get some force because it didn't seem to activate very often i've seen people in multiball when they uh when they've got their their bata being switch count uh started start their other multiball and then let their balls drain so that the balls go to the top and get into the pop bumpers and hopefully get into better bank multiball faster another way to get into the pops right there is what he did which is to feed the safe i mean the safe you wouldn't want to bang on it to open it to get into the bumpers but he had it open shoot it in there get the safe value which is pretty decent and then you're in the pops yeah and the further you are um it goes up like he's pretty high in the ranking that came through much faster than he was expecting it looked like le in chat says that you get 10 switch hits out of hitting the bing ramp oh i didn't know that um so that's certainly uh 10 ramps is still a lot but mm-hmm right but you know if you're you're 90 or something you need 10 left and you're on the right flipper it might be that that's tempting rather than the spinner it's also may have been the sh if it's the shot you've been taking all game um you may not know where the spinner is you may be much more comfortable hitting the ramp if that's how you got to that nice nudge and this is the final ball this is um this ball three this is dave's final ball he's he's just getting catching up to jordan's score here um he's gonna you know he wants more you know not going to be comfortable with 21 or 22. he wants to catch andre no okay okay if you're in this situation he's one stat one step at a time but you don't think that right i mean if this is you no you i'm not playing to beat on yeah no probably not but the thing is dave stewart is a player that can do it not saying i mean the chance that he's going to is pretty low but he's definitely a player that's got the stamina to do it and he's got the skills to do it too probably i mean probably anybody he's not doing it because his ball is ending but i mean jordan one of the places he plays most often has the sopranos there he's a super controlled player he's capable of playing long balls but i mean despite that i still think you're gonna ignore andre's score completely until you're in the clear yeah ahead of the rest of the thing and then then you might change your strategy and and like realize okay i gotta go for under boss and boss so you you say jordan has access to one of these so what are your thoughts on playing games that you play a lot uh well so i um i guess my opinion is if you have the game at home and you play it a ton at home that that might be bad the whole the home disadvantage right so then then you play it on locat you play it somewhere else in a tournament and it plays differently um i'm less i'm less worried about a game than i play on location because i'm not i'm i'm playing it regularly enough to know the rules but you know not uh it still could be a disadvantage right to you you're used to certain feeds coming this way but um i know uh jordan i'm not sure if he has any games at home but um and i don't i don't know about uh ole either but i mean both both of these guys i think play in a lot of different uh in a lot of competitions and a lot of different locations yeah i know ollie miko has um there's that they've got a clubhouse in helsinki oh balls there is a little bit of a ball save and he missed it yeah holy miko they've got a clubhouse in helsinki finland with over 70 i think over 70 games if i'm correct i've been there twice for a pinball tournament so they definitely have access to a lot of different games i'm not sure if sopranos is there don't remember for dave there's a lot of there's not a lot there's like two sopranos on location in seattle so i think you've got an advantage if you have access to her to two or more or more than two because you get used to a few different ones that play a little bit a little bit different all right jordan needs that chest or the safe so and he oh yeah that's gonna yeah he just needs a little bit is this bonus gonna be enough no that is a lucky one for dave that safe was worth 1.25 million which would have passed yeah what is uh andre gonna do well okay so we're looking here so andre's gonna move to um five points dave stewart is gonna move to four points uh oh he's gonna be at four and jordan is gonna be at one so um [Music] does that mean is jordan out then no uh five four uh yeah jordan that one five four one he can get to five um the five takes last place one of the forest takes the you know the five takes second place one of the forest takes third place and there's a tie break so he has an out okay he has two outs it's very nice of andre to uh to plunge the ball because they were the last game going in game too this is i mean this could have been a situation we didn't we came in late here but uh i mean i remember last year there was uh robert gagno had a ball on taxi that one ball that outlasted almost the entire round for everybody else and so that may have been the case there with andre his ball his game of sopranos outlasted all other games all right so uh hey look we're up on the screen hello hello everyone look is it's like down yeah the camera is down but like do we look at the camera do we look at each other we're not very good at this uh broadcasting in the booth thing there's no coaching no makeup no green room yeah um but we are faster we are here are we gonna see how everybody did in all the rounds yeah we'll bring up the stats here and uh or the um results here in a second and also it's in the chat you can go anytime nevergrains.com 2020. uh you can look at uh it'd probably be called uh open the open a playoffs open a playoffs and uh there's um so up across the top of there there's a couple different links that you can click you know first round second round and so on to see people as they progress on the way through we are we just finished the second game of the second round and we'll be moving to game three here in a second he's doing just fine peppers thanks for asking we're also in the semi-finals for ryan no he said rave yeah i don't know no actually raymond um raymond's got five points going into uh the last game of round two so raymond controls his destiny let's put it that way he does but he's on on the good side i mean yeah that's right so they're also uh moving on to game three in the semi-finals of b division so they're down to e ight players right now trying to win their way into the finals there okay gerald kirschner carrie wing raymond ashby corey dunn our group one and sean lind johann bern bernhardstun bernhardson bernhardson okay from sweden uh jerry garvey and augustus ustis is um our second group there and their prize pool is really nice as well first price get thirteen hundred dollars that's excellent i don't recognize a lot of those names um i know uh carrie wang is a very strong player i'd uh can i put some money on her corey done as well actually has had some great uh performances i heard that corey got lucky he was 17th in b and somebody didn't show up so he's one of those lucky players that showed up on time and therefore got to play nice you i think i believe he won b two years ago oh did he yeah okay so if you're just joining us we are at in disc it never drains in southern california we are um streaming the a finals of the open uh this is a new major event this year teaming up with the ifpa to offer an open world championships since the since papa well pop papa may come back but they may come back so so it's the fifth major now but it may become the fourth if papa doesn't return yeah but since the other world the world championships will be held in florida this year or by invitation only uh ifpa wanted to have a world championship that anyone could come to i'm probably going to be there to uh to support them since my husband is playing so i might as well go enjoy some california florida sun florida san yeah the california sun has been kind of disappointing i know eric stone was very upset to be traveling from florida to sunny california and have this extremely cold weather that we've had but it was the same last year we're here in january we're in the desert it can get pretty cold in the desert it's not as cold as seattle so i guess i'm still improving on weather weather-wise but yeah we have snow on the ground so i'm happy i think they're expecting snow in seattle so we'll see when we get back what the weather is going to be like nice and thanks chad mr uh babaro says that augustus is a very very strong player from boston doesn't travel a lot thank you for the color there and some other things in the chat uh but you know the the wizard is very playable and 87k for last place is pretty unlucky but uh it's a it's not as brutal as a lot of leaders so we're following group two again with colin elliot raymond and levintay and they're playing jurassic park did he just take two dangers in that section that was just one so jurassic park um we are on newly dropped code yeah but i don't think it's going to impact too much of the strategy right well so super tranq okay is a new feature which so there's a few things you may not have uh no snow yet michael well in seattle sorry i want to know i mean i think what we're going to see a lot um on this game with these from these players probably is uh control room modes uh is one thing uh t-rex modes perhaps maybe we're on tournament settings so in tournament settings you don't get feed t-rex by default as your first uh mode collin actually just started um his first paddock which means there's a dinosaur on loose it's that green arrow and he's chasing after and trying to eat or stomp on those uh orange flashing diamonds so i've played i've played a few of games of jurassic park and i know that you like have to shoot the orange ones to rescue people yeah and then hit a target and then hit a certain shot but what happens when you shoot that green arrow i just i never ever asked anybody so i don't know here i can explain that so well i'll try and do real quick here before we start so um there's uh so the paddocks are there's a map in the middle here with these with it there's a green flashing arrow down at the bottom and there's a map and you can progress through different dinosaurs of different they become progressively more difficult with those paddocks uh light shooting white shots spells map and that lights paddock and then you can start a paddock and then once you do that there's a dinosaur on the loose and uh employees that need to be saved before they're eaten and when he when he starts that so he's hit enough map shots right now where uh the there's only one white shot remaining and it's on the left ramp and by the trx head there in the back and he would have started a paddock there if he'd stop that additionally one of the main features is a chaos multiball which is there's uh five letters c-h-a-o-s from going on main shots from the left to the right kind of a throwback to the ultra recipe yeah there's a lot of throwbacks yeah in this game and when you spell those uh that lights a multiball uh shooting directly into the pops from the left flipper we'll probably see that in this game i imagine and um so some so they see the c flash and you have to do that in order which means none of those other shots give you any credit progress towards chaos it is an award to complete chaos uh for the smart missile right that is true yeah there's there's some shortcuts to doing all the shortcuts to chaos there's a shortcut to raptor try a ball which we didn't talk about which is a the shot that he kind of grazed right there where the green arrow is pointing now um so okay so here at paddock starts um the green arrow represents the dinosaur the um and the orange ones represent people on this first paddock you've got to say you've got to rescue one person uh which no i guess maybe this is uh yeah okay so that lit the traps behind the truck which you shot and now um once you've trapped the dinosaur then some shots will be yellow and shooting one of those will capture the dinosaur so the yellow shots are on the right ramp in the uh the a and the o right now so he's probably gonna take a shot over there and he went right between him um if you you asked um about the green arrow so if you shoot the green arrow that's the dinosaur it slows the dinosaur down so it prevents them from moving for a certain period of time okay there is a dinosaur or two that you can't slow later on and in the new code as you were mentioning the lockdown bar button actually does something which is there's this you can transport tranquilizer to tranquilize the diamonds okay and the reason you would do that is because the the green arrow depending on whether it's a omnivore or a carnivore it moves differently towards the uh towards the rescue so the raptor might be faster than i don't know all the other names of all the other dinosaurs pursues a little more aggressively than some of the other dinosaurs and um so you uh and and completing streaks of rescues so uh is it ends up becoming very valuable shots increase in value and um if a dinosaur eats one your streak resets and so it's kind of difficult to see what their scores are at least from my angle to the screen nobody's done very much so far um it seemed like they were kind of quick drains yeah we don't have a scorebit integration going right now but i think everybody's probably under 10 million yeah yeah it looks like uh sorry i'm seeing a friend from the netherlands in the stream hello mark yeah so we're at uh collins at 4.9 um elliot is at four uh raymond is at 11 and levante is at one point there's a three-part skill shot it was the left ramp okay and then and then right ramp and then side ramp uh we just got the first part of it there have you guys ever done it i've done it once uh yeah maybe once or twice and actually what i do a lot is is a short plunge and someone's asking in the chat there's a reason why you would short plunge in the game there is their secret skill shots uh that award uh you know some amount of points and also ball save but um i mean for me i like to sometimes short plunge and hit the c because the c is a shot i'm sort of not gonna make in my normal you know progress of shots so if i take that first then as i go through modes and other things i'm gonna make a lot better progress towards chaos yeah you probably like wanna shoot that c shot when you got the command centers that's what it called when that one is lit right because those modes can be pretty valuable yeah and i mentioned that earlier so a lot of people will be trying for uh control center uh modes which is on the uh the c that far left yellow shot there but they're they're difficult to qualify so one is capturing your first dinosaur which uh isn't too difficult but so we'll probably see that one uh another common one is starting raptor tribal that qualifies it oh okay uh and and uh 15 tower shots is one okay and which is going to be very difficult that's from the upper flipper straight across and then um i never really knew i did they just appeared whenever i played the game spelling chaos twice is actually another way okay so there's there's three modes there and there's like four ways yeah to getting to those modes possible there's even a fifth wave there might be more yeah so there's also secret skill shots on this game i assume yeah so we just saw a short plunge there and if you hit the uh the c i think it's you know 6 million 10 million something like that um so it's not uh it's not more valuable than being able to hit you know two stages of the the first two parts of the triple i also feel when you do the normal skill shot you get your first progress towards the t-rex towards that mode on the ramp right to the paddock yeah to the pedestal you're making math letters yeah of course with the other one you get progress to chaos so and so raymond right there he locked a ball uh for a raptor there's a in the premium in le version which is what this is the le there's a little captive ball or i don't know what you call that it's a little visor that comes up and you can pin a ball in there so there's a ball bouncing around and this he's going to start it right oh does he have a uh okay so center um so he has a trip raptor ready that's why all this flashing is going on and um yeah he's gonna start a control room mode which can be really nice um if you do that in multiball because especially the one that he's picking right now is the blue shots on the play field i think uh but if you get combos going like i think that makes the points a lot more and so in this mode uh so like we were saying this uh he's in system boot the control room mode really valuable blue lots all these blue shots uh and then additionally he's in raptor tribal and he's got a smart missile going here which is going to try and complete chaos oh he got it off the pops no oh no not secure damn raymond those dinos are coming wow that is a difficult sequence to commentate and play but uh oh that's he's not gonna be happy with how that turned out that was very quick there's a second phase to raptor where um you can get six balls into play and he wasn't able to make that happen he's still he is on 61 million right now so he's got his points from somewhere um probably some of those blue shots yeah i think that's actually 81 81 oh yeah it's difficult to see from this angle and also sometimes the font that stern uses is not always as easy to see on screen and an 81 but we have scorpion integration going oh it's gorgeous this one is with scorpion perfect oh here we go no you're right you're right thank you sorry about that um yeah and uh so you know 90 million looks great when everybody else has uh five but that was a big uh stack opportunity with the multiball and then that ball got saved how do you spell escape so on the left side how he how he drains and then got the ball back and then dragging again yeah there's a um so there's a lane which without uh teleprompters can be difficult to describe but through the spinner up the middle if the ball slows there and curls down comes into the pops through the top which you could also do the position of the truck might also can can impact that uh feeding that lane also so going through that starts a hurry up on the far left shot which actually just got shot right there that's to the left of the sea right above uh uh nedry's head and which just got hit again there so when that's flashing uh it's a hurry up when you hit it it lights the left outlane first okay and i i think on some games like on easier settings it's often already lit right yeah it may actually be lit uh by default on the first ball here too is that yeah i didn't play it so i'm not exactly i think i played it once and i don't think i drained on the left side because my balls were shorter yeah no i believe it starts lit the beginning of the game and you get one freebie and then you gotta do the hard way after that in the chat they're talking about the fonts right now that aerosmith is one of the hardest ones to read i think aerosmith was the first one of stern that had a screen like this and i feel like they just didn't really think about the font like when you're playing the game you can totally read it but when you're see it you see it like this it's very difficult to actually see what people's scores are man well there is a bad breaks here there there is a rumor promise that stern is putting out an adapter yeah jack has been saying because jack was working with them to get the direct feed stuff working and so they may be putting out a card that you can use to to broadcast to get the score to a splitter a splitter to get uh hdmi output oh okay well okay hdmi foot's great but we still got to be able to read this course yeah yeah well it would help to not be on an angle that's true that's true they're still there let's make this take up six percent of the height of the screen here somebody says go for times new roman did they modify the screen text on the star wars to be all comic sans as well on the comics so okay this is we're on ball three already um we got uh we saw raymond get some some stuff done everybody else uh kind of waiting to to get some points going here this is colin up right now hoping to pass raymond he's going for raptor multiball a lot of people don't know this you can change the award with the button on the lockdown bar what are what are the options because i don't know and therefore i feel like scared to change and not be quick enough to get it back to chaos yeah um so i don't know them all and they're they're sort of tiered i think like as you go through them but um extra ball is in there 20 million is in there it's complete chaos start raptor try ball plus five rescues so in this situation you want raptor i think so yeah and that's what he was going for now because even with completing chaos you still have to start chaos on that same shot which is a difficult one and if you start raptor that's a lot safer to go for probably right and with a smart missile the only time you get the smart missile is when the truck is partially blocking the shot to narrow it uh even to make it even harder than normally is interestingly i mean he he didn't get the raptor but that gave him the ability to start a control room mode right now so he's in uh system boot which is uh the same thing we saw raymond play so really i think yeah it's time for he and this is what he's doing just shooting blue shots right now is kind of all he cares about doesn't need to worry about bringing in other things stacking in other things um he is bringing in another thing though he yeah he started he did start a paddock uh and i i imagine this is somewhat incidental and he's really just going to be focused on these blue shots yeah because they are a word so he has a combo right there 15. yeah it's like when you combo those shots they just go up and up and and it's also like a lot of them are ram so they feed really nicely back to the flippers god is fossil which i don't understand the fossil rules i know if you complete sets it gives you bonuses yeah i don't i don't know them well enough and i don't think it's going to come into play very much that's sort of like a wizard mode kind of hunting sort of uh strategy so you'll get some nice bonus points for that but so is colin approaching so he's he's moved out of the herbivores and started into the omnivores howdy dangerous ones the ones that gave me nightmare as a kid on the map here you'll see uh that the first dinosaur he played was uh green and then this one is orange there's kind of some up the middle the ones up the middle are more difficult and they award you ongoing bonuses for the rest of the game when you complete them so kong got an extra ball extra balls are turned off so they're awarding points but that was 15 million which is uh pretty valuable considering where we are in this game yeah a lot of those turns when you uh when you play them the extra ball is really worth going for when it's in the in in competition mode so the extra balls are turned off like i think like on some games it can be like 5 million sopranos is the one right where i think it's a pretty valuable uh yeah they're just pretty valuable they're like often even more than a jackpot sometimes is so yeah i have my list of games that i'm like uh who cares about the extra ball and other games where i'm like you must get the extra ball ah so you don't even necessarily i don't even know what the value is aerosmith you must get the extra ball yeah so for me uh for me i used to play in in europe a lot a lot of tournaments all the games would always be on tournament mode and now that i move to seattle i play more in bars and i play smaller tournaments in bars and i actually have to get used to that the extra ball is often giving you an extra ball that you need to plunge so it doesn't give you points yeah so it's like a different mindset that you have to go for so colin finishes that ball out with 216 million you saw him give a little fist pump yeah nobody's really happy to drain but he he's yeah he's fired up over here he feels great about that score given the situation like everybody catch him ellie did the long plunge and oh almost tilted and he was getting a late ball save there that can be that can kind of throw me off my game i don't know about you it's like that that happens you know you you lose some dangers when you were gonna get the ball back for free yeah or maybe it frees you up like he's playing chaos here he's got the first three letters this is the tough one though it's a difficult shot yeah the o is the unquestionably the hardest shot in the game it's that flashing yellow light over on the right side well i mean maybe it's not harder than a smart missile but yeah but it feels like very difficult it's kind of weird like how often you hit the little post in front of the upper flipper like that's so tiny the shot is way bigger but for some reason that's what you end up hitting you'll hit the shot when you don't mean to hit it but when you need to hit it so elliot finished this ball on 14 15 million yeah so does this lock things in um so elliott can only get a point at most colin has uh uh actually yeah yeah we get i guess lavonte still has no he doesn't have any outside so levante is out yeah i think this kind of locks it in because what raymond wanted raymond had five points uh colin four and elliott four and levent only one so i think like colin wanted to do better than elia elliot and uh and or raymond um so with him beating eliot it means that colin is probably gonna move on if raymond comes second and levante comes first there can still be a tie break because colin's only guaranteed one point and raymond here is in um control remote here yeah jared is talking about the tiebreaker that's possible yeah so again thanks rooting for raymond here and raymond is rooting for blue shots here desperately i mean a good control room mode can be over 100 million so that might be enough to to catch colin if he can hit his shots here uh these are timed um i don't know that it actually shows the time um and this mode actually this is a difficult one uh so you're seeing pass it over you shoot a blue shot then you have to hit the c then so if you if you can't hit that c on command it can be real difficult to get through this mode uh without running out of time there you go uh so now it's going to light several blue shots he's got four options but it timed out on him and he didn't have the rescue oh no no it was just an escape it wasn't a full escape it puts up the animation yeah i guess on ball three if you drain out the left out lane it does this like the truck falling over the edge of the cliff it's but that's the only time you you get it so levent is up and he's got some work to do if he wants to force it the tiebreaker the tiebreaker needed raymond to pass colin oh it did so no tiebreaker uh my i believe that is colin and raymond are going to be going through yeah but this still matters for his finish it's true yeah it does the points are valuable and money and i think the money is probably going to be the same but the whopper points this is a major so it is yeah if you don't know about whopper points you're missing out wppr it's the abbreviation pinball player ranking points or something like that that's right every every event that gets is held here and uh held by anybody who submits their event to the ipa awards points based on the number of players based on the format uh and the strength of the players and uh with how many players do we have in the main event here over 200 probably yeah i didn't look at the numbers i think there's over 300 over 300 okay wow so i mean that's going to be that's me valuable and most of the best players in the world most a lot many whatever any of those words are here not all of the best players from europe came over but a few from europe did come over many yeah is one of the good players only mikko is one of the good players unfortunately i think they may not move on i don't know how olimiko is doing kind of forgot what point he has uh there's some good guys from the netherlands there are some swedish guys some british guys that i saw there's there's there's definitely some european players here all right so here we're checking out the second round of progress so uh all the games uh we just saw jurassic park come to a conclusion there's still other games going on yeah none of the other games are decided or settled yet um i think we're going to be seeing if stream two the rig two is on anything but we may not be able to join that in progress um so we'll see what we have al william looks like we'll be going back to alice cooper yeah this is where uh the first group with dave stewart is uh is playing right now so let's see where they are at uh so this is player one well two ball two seems like player three uh jordan is in the lead right now at 49 million and two doesn't really have a lot and the other guys are on seven million so this is the same uh point distribution we saw last time right five four four one so that means jordan has an out he hasn't heard him has an out yeah yeah and it kind of depends on like what the other players are gonna do so dave just got caught there uh the ball say the magnet ball save activated and failed that should come back i thought so is it is that what happened so i'm not sure if that's what happened or if the natural ball save uh turned off while it was uh going down i was trying to catch up with the action here look he looked upset he did look upset uh michael ullman you can see the life standings on www.neverdrains.com 2020 um and you just have to go to uh a playoffs or b playoffs whichever one you want to see and you can also see how people are that people are trying to qualify in the high stakes standings that's all still happening so when i was watching the first round on this game b was playing it um i was watching the game beside it and the right flipper button actually fell out of the machine while one of the players was playing it was a humorous panic moment i've had it happen on a pinball machine once yeah it was actually like stuck to my finger and if that ever happens to you in a crucial situation you can just stick your finger in there and activate no not it not this came out as opposed to breaking so the there was nothing to activate oh yeah well if the whole thing no it depends if you enter the whole office if the whole thing comes out you can stick your finger in there you won't get electrocuted you can cradle the ball get a tournament director all right so not happen to me is uh he dropped a ball in the lock from above we're talking about that earlier kind of a little secret and he freed it right away so he's gonna be in the two ball multiball here which has a very short ball save it which is gone yes the advice on the chat is don't necessarily on a high voltage em type game stick your finger into the yeah yes or just when you give advice like that or when you talk about steph don't try this at home and you're safe i'm not an electrician but yeah i guess i've never really uh hurt myself i think i got a little buzz from touching a coil accidentally but uh it's not like working on monitors where you want to really be careful no all right so let's see what only mikko can get going here no as soon as i way to jensen i know commentator's curse right there he's made 50 goals in a row but he's still got one more ball to go first we're gonna watch jordan's second ball it seems like what we saw of the previous game that he's had some good action on ball one if he's at 49 million yeah compared to what the other guys were doing in the other game yeah this would have won the last game so i think i think we can assume that jordan knows what he's doing jordan completed werewolf on his first ball and that's a great mode to pick um because it's solid uh green yeah alright that was the default mode but yeah can be a valuable one and so jordan is trying to get mode started here um i think he is trying to hit those uh now he's in um so again we're gonna do this little map thing and you look at the bottom of the display you can see this little gritty triangle diamond thing with x's and stuff where the red x is where he is in the dungeon uh so he needs to go right right orbit is gonna make progress there now but he's entirely going for the lock right now yeah but now changing modes it's too late for him to change a mode right now i believe is that right like you get to you get to a point where you get to a point where you can't change it okay okay i think when you're one shot away or maybe maybe two but um i know we like talked about this game recently but there's just so much new info how again do you change your mode when you still can uh so there is a three bank of stand-ups right there that is being illustrated and that will change your mode that like that circular light will be lit okay so you can change and it will just like like loop around so if there's a specific one that you want you need to maybe hit it four times yeah that is the order as telestrated by our great dangerous work to be changing uh something significant changing all right so now that flashing the flashing green thing is telling us that this mode is ready yeah soccer passage oh no this mode is active we are in the mode so this is a moving shot that moves around the play field um so you can wait until the shot you're comfortable with comes up um but it's a countdown so the value you're getting will go from about 1.5 million down to 300 000 so waiting now he has there's no reason not to wait pick your favorite shot on the play field and it looks like taking the time yes it looks like he knows um i think he's trying to postpass it over because he wants to be shooting a shot from the other flipper uh that was interesting it gave him credit there there we go oh the green ones are headshots and there's probably there may also be red shots that i we can't see because of the PinStadium Lights uh that's possibility again i'm not expert on this yeah and actually the display is kind of telling uh uh some stuff here you know it's hard to play and read that but you hit roaming shots to keep the zombie you see the countdown going down very quickly right now um and he has two shots to go to complete this mode again mo points are good but the real points come in the frenzy if you complete it and that would that do it yeah one more to go uh PinStadium Lights wi-fi controlled patent-pending design brightens the entire play field for your pinball machines they provide seamless integration for your brand new and classic pinball machines while maintaining that factory look see better play better and this game is very dark um without the PinStadium Lights so uh we actually had them turned off a little earlier because while they were fixing that flipper button i think these are the hovers is that what they're called no these are the carl's gonna tell me what they are so that i don't make physique mistakes um they're the extremes so they actually like uh turn up on the sides so that you can lift the playfield without um needing to remove them completely which is pretty cool you can see them there on the player cam i actually think carl just needs to adjust his exposure on the camera for this specific game so that we can get a little better clarity on the inserts but unfortunately he doesn't have wireless control yet he's not looking at us he didn't like that no he turned his back to you oh i i could mess with the lights right now on my phone because they're wi-fi enabled right but but not the exposure on the camera right it's like being on a radio show it's fun anyways so let's uh focus here on um andre's ball here oh that was nice somebody clipped that i that was i was gonna just explain how he had died [Laughter] all right this could be another game i don't know i'm thinking about that that suits andre's style somewhat because a lot of the shots they come back hard to come back fast if it you know rewards combos yep um you can't uh bring the ball t o a cradle as often on this game as you can with some others oh what up the ramp and little flipper right back down the ramp the other side why didn't he get credit for that lock was it too fast um that's interesting all right so here okay he's got that drop target now that is very tough up there there's a you know there's a drop target that you gotta hit with a little flipper get the ball back under control and and throw it back up that same shot and it has to be hit very hard he's got the ball save here from the outlanes magnet should throw it back up and beautiful that was a great throw that was on such a delay i thought it was just thinking about dropping it i just group five just finished that's the group of justin campbell adam lefkov donovan stepp and lonnie langford and donovan steph got a 12. wow he won every game in there and who else advanced lonnie langford from seattle with five points wow donovan uh won the jim belcido challenge coin oh did he i was wondering who did who who was the one he got in with about five minutes left and uh yeah well done diamond so for people who aren't familiar uh jim bell cedaw is well known for qualifying last minute very last minute um they call it balsitoin yes i think that a pinball machine should have the feature that if you get the grand champion uh it will like in the animation show that jim delcito got like one point more than you did so he will always be grand champion and always last minute get one thing more than you did thank you for the clip peter then oh oh this so this is once this shot this flashing shot for the lock there it is it's just too like it's just two or three shots for this multiball but it's so difficult so this is the uh feed my frankenstein mode uh i've never played this in my life because i've never made that second shot i'm not i think you're shooting the ramps which are the left zaps and the right zaps anyone in the chat wants to tell us how this multiball works we are all ears those are certainly lit um and they seem to do something i don't know if there's a second phase to this i've started this a couple times but never scored too many points in it so either it's not particularly valuable or i'm doing it wrong and it's likely [Laughter] how hard it is to start i'd hope it was actually some points um it will also of course be part of what you need to get to uh billion dollar babies um but and we've seen some wizard mode attempts by andre tonight already so i should when i get back home to seattle probably uh go find one of these and actually get to know it it's a beautiful looking game shoots crazy next time i'll be commentating i will know exactly what i'm talking about with uh this alice cooper game ah we're gonna hold you to that yeah for the vents two rooms thanks for the host all anonymous i should host let's all host see flip flip ding ding is location like five minutes from my house i'll just go there and play ellis cooper oh thanks uh lodging dolphin three ramps lights the upper play field uh right ramp for a super yeah looks like the guillotine was the super in that mode all right uh the secret passage is lit to start his mode takes a warning again andre does not slow the ball down and give us much time to talk and we got his ball saved do not walk away from this game oh is it coming back it should be coming back no nope i guess that's what happened to um dave as well so what so what what's going to happen here what are the tournament directors thinking equivalent to a failed kickback okay there is nothing to do do not let your ball drain you had control to not drain it's equivalent to a failed case but i believe in the code like in the default code that will it'll give you your ball back so presumably there's a setting somewhere that they could perhaps fiddle with in between rounds they could turn off the save maybe and then no one would know that they could get bowen on the phone and get phosma to modify the code right now between rounds um or just not drain and then you welcome that's the thing like don't drain well yeah but but i mean you lit you know you like updated save and then you thought it was supposed to work so i mean i get that you know so i saw some failures on the kickback of um bonsai yesterday but uh and that one just starts on by default so that's another thing but then you know it failed a couple times it's like well you should look at it you know right i can i can see when something fails all the time like when it sometimes when you have a malfunction when it's a small malfunction it happens to one player one time um they're not going to do anything about it it's just part of pinball but when that certain male function happens all the time then it might be worth looking for something we just thought we've seen it twice yeah i had a ramp on high roller casino yesterday that didn't register my lock so i told the other players and i was like we need to keep an eye on this because if it happens again then there might be some might be something wrong with the lock so i actually think the game has multiple pulse patterns that you can switch through for the magnet unless that's only in their uh diagnostic code because i remember when i saw bowen streaming at once charlie was telling him to change the magnet pulse but we saw it work perfectly for andre so well and not working yeah and then and then not work uh okay so dave stewart this is uh this is ball three here and that's the end of his ball as we're catching back up so dave puts up a 12.2 which uh at best he can come third place here uh this is game three so this means dave is not going to be advancing this means dave is uh maybe some if only comes last no only cannot come last the only can come last so if only comes last dave still has now okay so dave but dave's on life support here yeah he's he's praying for he needs totally to not pass him and he needs andre to pass jordan so you guys have been in this situation are you are you watching and rooting against this player so i made a resolution to myself a couple years ago to not do that anymore i don't have fun when i'm doing it so i i actually cheer i try to cheer for my opponents oh i look at my phone and don't pay attention until it's all over i think you guys are better people than me [Laughter] sometimes i do when i know somebody's going to pass me and i don't need them to pass me i might like chance drain in my head drain doesn't work i can tell you that well he just started uh werewolf um he is playing with fire in that right out lane so he has loaded his gun oh he has already fired his gun uh so the shot is up the middle there no we were wondering whether we were frozen he is just being very deliberate um looks like he's gonna go for that lock behind the uh drop target oh that was a werewolf hit yeah so he had loaded his gun um so now he has oh several shots to reload it was almost a flipper mistake i mean this he's out if he drains this ball right now he's done so this is a high pressure situation yeah i think for david nice i think for dave and ole mikko uh it's both that they want to get higher than one of the other players that's got four or five points to be able to make a chance yes that's true all right so he's now got in his crypt uh multiball is that like cold apple is that what that is um i don't know the song exactly there is or that might be one of the other mode called that might be one of the other modes this might just be multiball uh hits another werewolf uh so now he's down to three green targets left to load that gun the two difficult ramps and uh that sort of inner orbit shot trying to get the ball separated so it's what we call a cradle separation um just trying to get one around that way we got it picked off a ghost jackpot there from the two ball multiball nice live catch so where's he going ramp uh what's the safest thing i mean yeah i got a ramp you can drop into a oh but from here he can flip with the other flipper and hit the jackpot now do we know what happens what if he drops it just down into the lock below here and what do the x's do when you get two x's like that do you know i don't know okay maybe bonus or is there no bonus x on this game it may be bonus that's what that's what i would assume when i see those x's it's like either going for somewhere that you can like uh multiply your shots oh go to the last minute where we'll hit there it's the two x's okay so just relax here we do two field multipliers you just need one or two shots uh to at least pass dave so you play either like a bonus multiplier or a playfield multiplier that's what i was going for all right he's i think he's going to pass with dave but he's not feeling great here yes he just kids just passed dave so actually no actually this is a fine position uh for him because the only the only way that he doesn't get through here is if jordan wins oh well jordan is going to win this game out right oh well you never know no and ray is a good player you know never know what enray's going to do that's that's true but i mean he's got a chance to win this game yeah they're not feeling confident and that magnet but even even is if if jordan wins this game he will get five points and then only mikko will have five points as well so there'll be a tiebreaker so only mikko will not be entirely out if jordan does not get pass magnet time and beautiful all the way up the play field made it to the tip of the flipper what if the magnet like makes it all the way up and then drops it straight down the middle that sucks it for a moment i thought that was what was gonna happen definitely had that happen to me in golden eye oh because it it doesn't throw it as far on golden eye at least the ones i've played and so you can just do a little i do know when it when it fails i like the the freeze the i am invincible and it will like come back on the side it was one of the games that my my parents had that i grew up with oh nice mystery till next player advanced tune next round i do enjoy it a thing till next player so they put joke uh joke once oh in between yeah okay um all right so here we are this is pit he found the creature uh and he has a ball locked behind that drop target that he just dropped in from the upper platform so so now he's only hitting that drop target to release it right or dropping it in from above so he must now hide the ball for 15 seconds so you'll see he just took about 1.3 seconds off as he went around that shot that was all you get for that yeah because it was a fast shot um if if you actually hit it slower you kind of loop it around nice and slow it will oh that was a time a little bit so if you would have shoot it into the scoop like yeah the scoop how long will it like stay a little bit longer than normally or will it just kick it out as soon as it would normally no it kicks it out normally okay um but it's a really fun unique uh game feature yeah so in the orbit which is mostly out of sight would that give you a lot of seconds that's a lot of seconds that's good and if you hit it nice and clean it's short if you rattle it it can stay there for a really long time somebody is asking if we're going to stream b finals that are coming up um i don't know carl i don't check with our producer on that i don't think uh well we'll see what's happening with things in progress carl will figure this out um so the situation here guessing that we're probably gonna follow a but you never know what's gonna happen sure the situation right now here is last player last ball andre andre is um andre is through and if he passes jordan then uh only nico is safe is gonna go through cleanly if he passes if he if andre passes jordan only mikko is safe if andre doesn't only mikko and jordan will have a tiebreaker yep right yeah so if this is you and your andre i play to win yeah i always play to win okay um you there's discussions as to when um is it sportsmail is the sportsman i don't think so because then um you're like he's like kind of like rigging the game like if jordan is his best friend he's like i'm giving jordan a chance because of this so the rules would state that he is not allowed to do it in collusion with jordan yeah but if he feels that having jordan advance versus only mikko advance gives him a better chance of winning the tournament than he is doing it for his own advantage and that's allowed okay that is how josh has uh explained the rules okay in his view um [Laughter] but i think that that me as a player i would want to win the game if i was in andre's position i would be like nope i'm going to try my best and play my best game but it's the same as the players who have like forfeited a game because their opponent like they just didn't want to spend that much energy playing the game yeah it's like you know i'm just going to blend off because i want to conserve my energy for the next round a few weeks ago that happened to me for the first time ever somebody i was playing ball 2 on lord of the rings and somebody decided that they were not going to do what i did so they forfeited the game good feeling when it happens to you you are so good at pinball that i quit yeah all right so to stake the vampire uh you need to shoot the guillotine i think oh no you need to shoot the center shoot scoops it said oh oh that one yeah that's that shot sticks this is difficult you gotta get into the play field yeah cradle it three times you gotta hit there's a target in the back and it's a real awkward shot for some reason like it just it takes a while to find it and uh particularly in multiball it's gonna be very difficult to pull off yeah this is the mode really impossible this is one of the two modes i do not want to be playing ah so okay that's right the guillotine mode that people were talking about it's not quite the g18 it's similar to the guillotine oh okay it requires three shots from the upper play field which require you to hit a ramp get the ball on your flipper and then make the shot so andre's uh making a game over here uh he's about halfway to jordan's score uh but you know the points in this game kind of can be all over the place depending on what mode you're in he's got three stakes to go still to get to the frenzy he's scoring oh right and so he's in no point he's trapped in this mode yeah this is ball three like he's trapped his only way out is this is just playing this mode is what he needs to do he does know he looks like he knows what he's doing he's flipping a little bit late and he's going to drop target and then the other option is he can still go back to the crypt but going back to the screen like the two months but then it will be even more difficult to actually control the ball up there i mean you get some may get some lucky shots but yeah so this is kind of it's like i wish there was a please abort my mode button yeah he i mean you can see oh that one counted he hit the switch one stake down so what is he doing there so he did that again he came through the left in lane and he hit real early on the fly i'm not sure what he's i think he was trying to post catch okay that makes sense so a post catch is where you flip really early and actually backhand the ball into the bottom of the slingshot and the ball can come to settle yeah we're just we're still in the second round here we're on the last game of the second round some other groups are already finished in group two colin mcalpine and raymond davidson moved on in group three colin urban i think it's the winner from last year right yes and chris warren moved on group four is they've got a tiebreaker between joe lemire and jeff teolas so they are still going uh group five donovan stepped with 12 points and lonnie langford move on and group six david real and eric stone move on so there's only this group gosh and group four that are still going that is a difficult i'm just like trying to look in this shot here it's a difficult shot but we've seen him miss i don't know 15 times up there it's it's tough yeah again locked into this mode this may be i mean this may be the worst thing to be locked into right now right possibly the guillotine mode is also pretty bad that's true i i think he would have i think he'd be hitting the guild yeah the guitar is a little easier to shop probably but is there a feed to the upper player that will give it to you nicely at the upper flipper no no okay there it is i mean i guess otherwise they probably would have gone for it but maybe there's like a secret secret pathway up there do any of the other things at least like score some points combos still score points okay um so you can be getting 300 600 900 yeah does it does it cap at 900 or i'm not can you keep going oh boy is there a loopable shot here 40 triple combos for the win i know players who who would totally try and do that yes you do i may be married to one of those i didn't want to say it yeah we sometimes play tournaments at home it's not always fun i'm gonna go have dinner i remember hearing him on a commentary once being like why don't you just shoot the left orbit uh 12 times to get 3x bonus multiplier oh totally yeah that's but you know what it's easier oh he's got to save here it is here it is come on ball yay we just saw it on scared stiff with raymond like if you get the same shot and you're accurate enough to just keep shooting it why not do it it's to say it's a safe thing to do especially if you know that you have to just beat a certain person and you know what you need to get it may not just be as much fun on a stream for people to look at but i think it's very skillful this is like i i am so nervous just watching this i i really want him to complete this but it's nerve-wracking uh seeing so many shots there it is holy so now he's in his frenzy 30 seconds like 20 20 million yeah um that is pretty big well he's on it so he's in this frenzy now uh he's got 20 more so if he's not missing a lot of shots then he's got it he's at 60 replay 72. he's got it or john hey jordan jordan can still be in you're not gonna know jordan needed the four oh wait you're right he needed to form very nicely done by andre massenkov to take the win there completing that mode um 77 million andre will be moving on to the next round um along with uh olimiko from this group yeah i think um so are we going to watch the tiebreaker yes we have a tiebreaker coming up yeah so in group four seven points so he will definitely move on and we have joe lemire and jeff thiolis with five points so they are in a tiebreaker to move on unfortunately sean irby from seattle with four points uh did not get enough points to uh to move on to the next round so we're gonna watch joe and jeff and i wonder what the game is gonna be yeah so i assume uh is joe the top seed there joe is top seat yes and this would count towards uh this counts towards your selection but i guess yes you're dead people are coming in and driving the bus i think over here there's so many games so there may be so many games that you don't really want to play so you might as well pick the one you really want to play yesterday in women's there was only seven games in the bank so in the first round um in the first round louise wagon sauna picked her games and then in the second round she divert choice because there was just so many games that can be picked so the chance that her game that she really liked would be picked was way bigger but i think over here it's very different because there are so many games and a lot of people prefer different games that's a great point you're really exposing yourself if you definitely really you really are because unless you know like if you're like in the last match and you know exactly what your opponent already chose you can be like i like all his options so i might go for that yeah like you might defer to someone who's like i want to play meteor because i love classics yes yes and you're like i really hate classics or what are what are you guys rooting for right now for the tiebreak yeah cactus canyon i love cactus cactus canyon okay i don't know i don't know i i would actually i would like to see starlight i love starlight i think it's a great game i do not think joe is going to pick starlight no almost certainly not there's there's only a hundred of them made he did well in classics he got third yeah in classics one but against jeff uh you can get absolutely housed on that game oh that's not the flipper is it the three ball game yeah yeah uh i mean whizzer it's gonna be alice cooper again maybe that's why they were waiting we're gonna we're gonna get more bonus alice cooper we step up to the stream we're like you know we're pretty confident about most of the games here um i think we're we're holding their own right now yeah no um otherwise we'll just ask the chats and they can help us out so we are here at uh it never drains in southern california at the museum of pinball in banning uh we are on the open the open world championships here the a division a division and here we are jeff and joe so this is joe player one up on the machine so if you were just tuning in and you haven't heard our quick rundown through this we'll just do very briefly your primary goal is to start modes the way you progress through modes is by hitting those orbs just like that which will progress you through the towards the mansion is this a mansion alice cooper's nightmare castle sure it's a castle um so it progresses you through the castle uh you can also qualify the secret passage by hitting the stand-up targets that you cannot see modes are huge points but mostly completing the modes will give you uh hurry up which will frenzy mode followed by a hurry up which is where you cash out giant points for this game you have two multi-balls frankenstein multiball which you can lock one ball on the ramp and then a second ball on the upper play field to start that multiball and a crypt lock which you get by locking the ball behind the drop target or dropping it in from the upper plate field that sounded like a quick little run that was perfect um playing right now joe lemire uh newish co-host of the head-to-head pinball podcast and jeff teolis host of the pinball profile podcast so not only can you watch this battle right now on stream but you'll be able to uh hear recap on one or more podcasts in the near future uh jeff teolis is also the official podcaster of endeavor drains in southern california he's actually been running around um a lot this weekend doing a lot of uh live interviews on like during the women's final during the classics final interviewing the winners um he's been doing a really good job i know jeff will continue that role i think as soon as he's um no longer playing so if he wins is he gonna interview himself and if he loses is he gonna interview the guy who just beat him i think yesterday i saw him doing the award ceremony for classics too and then running to the main bank to play his uh his next game so joe is in uh werewolf now uh so as we've said before there's a bunch of green shots across the play field hitting any one of those green shots will load your gun and then you will shoot the werewolf there his gun is loaded uh shoot the werewolf by hitting the three stand-up targets near the middle which you can't quite see because they're blocked by the upper plate there it is that's the shot so he uh he has a ball locked which is what he's going for right there and he got it he tried for a backhand i didn't know that was backhandable got got an in lane and now he's in multiple it's a real quick ball saver but now he's just two balls in this mode so he has two ball multiball so he can get ghost jackpots as well as continuing to make progress towards uh the werewolf still got the two balls there's the gun load trying to slow it down get some control there it is another werewolf shot uh three green targets left the two ramps and the right orbit is what he has available to him now is this the mode where um you end up uh sort of getting a big payoff for beating for finishing it sort of like the points are sort of weak in the beginning and then they become large at the end oh that's a unfortunate double drain there for him yeah like there's not very many points for what he did there you got to complete most of these modes nine million on ball one yeah yeah uh scribble says this in the chat yeah the games there's definitely been some modifications uh out lane posts removed or made wider this game um i didn't play it but i would i don't know dude this game felt pretty stuck to me i think i mean it looks like a rubber to me on at least on the right side there for the inline outline divider so uh the games have been made more difficult but not it's not necessarily true that they're just gone everywhere um so jeff has played this game we have one of the hosts in our league owns one but he hasn't spent a lot of time on this i know uh i was helping jeff before the tournament before the finals started he wanted me to coach him on the games as he played and then he was really upset when i went into the booth and he could no longer ask me questions and this is one of the games we spent some time talking about right now he is he is ah so okay so uh tournament director jim valcito reduced the post size on the outlanes for this game so uh there are um you know there's there's kind of with the small rubbers there's two different sizes and there's bigger ones the smaller ones so we went down to the smaller ones so jeff didn't really get much going there on ball one he did make a little bit of progress towards getting to his mode start but clearly playing a mode uh put to a little bit ahead does it uh does it get more difficult to start a new mode like do you need more shots or is it the same for every mode that you that you uh i think it reduces in the first time through you can go left or right each time okay um like alternate or something so see how he's at the bottom here with the x uh well okay now it's gone but um so he went left and then went left again so now he's in the far left he's on the far left the red x over there so now he has to go right twice but i believe it's the same yeah it's obvious every time so maybe it's not harder okay uh it could it could be a software thing where maybe the first maybe on default settings the first one it only takes you two shots because it steps you twice or something but i believe it's similar i usually go for the secret passage anyway it seems like a oh okay ball saying that was a little scary there was a ball save and it went out as he just let go all right so where is joe going thanks lodging dolphin confirmed that it is uh same difficulty every time you want to start a new mode um so in this case that's uh five shots so one two three four four shots four shots and it may change depending on which order you make them in what's available that was unfortunate left out lane drain there joe is not going to be happy with 11 million after two balls no but i you know i have played this game in league once or twice and four player game there's plenty of times where people don't get to 10 million so in in just a two in a four player game that's a score that you're less happy with in a two-player game that might be enough somebody's saying that uh kaylee and i would probably uh could see he could see us getting this game but i don't think kaylee would ever buy this game i know he's not a fan he thinks the shots are too tight he uh thinks they try to put way too much into the game so he's not a fan he wants something that he can shoot 15 times in a row yes he does yeah so that's why we got batman i tried to get that uh phone hurry up up to a billion that's that's that's fun stuff jeff nice bounce pass there to get control again i think he's shooting for that orbit once again right flipper it's where he wants it just can't quite get that shot and this is a high pressure situation and uh he seems like pretty calm with uh the ball by the flippers and bounce passing and he those shots were you know 95 on on target so i i think he's nice orbit shot there so he started his werewolf doesn't seem like he's bothered right now by the the situation and again this is uh on tournament settings they're always going to be starting with the same mode if you don't change it which is werewolf um shooting the green shot followed by the three stand-up targets in the middle gun is loaded and he may get it back he did get it back and he's not getting that one back nope so what are the points right now going into ball three uh he's got about two million three million so 11 million into a million so he's got a long a lot of orbit shots to start another mode right and then does he want to you know pick a i mean it sounds like maybe he doesn't know this game well enough and i don't know this game well enough is there a particular mode you would that's yeah situation pick creature is what i like because you know you you've got you could just get one shot and get to that second phase that's my favorite mode in the game zombies not bad as we've seen because you can wait for your shot that you want um and we know that those upper playfield modes are really struggled to uh score points in them and joe has started the pit creature so let's see if he manages to find the creature nice and fast here there it is there's the creature so everybody's been finding it early is it possible that in tournament settings it could be fixed i know i know that so that shot was a seven second shot that one up the middle that he just did and then the scoop looked like uh it was about three seconds you said you needed 10 seconds right 15 seconds oh 15 seconds okay yeah he's on 4.9 okay see that shot look at that thing 2.6 seconds to go so one more of those would do it thank you and then here we go come on ball upwards yes i think a s coop would do this i love it but he liked that shot up the middle 1.3 ball locked oh i wonder if he could soft plunge there and uh so now he has to shoot just to defeat the pit creature he had it lit that was a huge shot if he finished the ball so he's on 39 million so jeff really has some work to do right now with only two million going into this last ball apparently we're getting background sounds we fixed that no we're just getting background sounds got it we're working on it our producer is aware all right let's see what jeff can get going here oh we have to yell now come on we can eat the mic more and i think the chat has to yell louder all right we're aware of the audio issues thanks everybody all right jeff has the ball on his left flipper under control here let's see where he can uh move things there we go we made some progress towards the mansion and one more to reveal the secret passes really what he needs to be doing okay there we go one more orbit we'll do it or one more secret passage and there it is there it is joe lemire will be advancing out of the second round into the quarterfinals is that what is that i think we are at the quarterfinals yes like it's not we're not numbering the rounds anymore so um we're going to switch back here uh so we're going to be swapping in our commentators so thank you everyone who joined us uh for coming in here i don't think the chat can even hear us right now at all actually you don't think jack can hear no it's not they're saying so we're talking anyway all right um so thanks everyone for uh tuning in for joining us for the uh second round here thank you uh ryan and jasmine for joining me i'm ian harrower and we're going to uh swap ourselves out as soon as carl puts us to a place where the camera's not on us um so this looks more professional the future of pinball is connected with scorbit jay adelson joins us right now how are you doing jay it's a pleasure to be here today well i saw you i think the first time we met probably was in this two years ago and that's the first time i noticed okay wait a second there's the scores on the streams are being updated as they're happening it's also on the tablets too for score keeping it's all scorebit explain what scorbit is for those who don't know well we're a device that you put inside a pinball machine that allows it to connect to the internet and stream all the score and game data in real time and that unlocks all sorts of crazy things uh gaming achievements and of course tournaments like this become automated well it's a absolute godsend to the scorekeepers because a lot of the games as players know you have to wait for it to go through the menu and it's difficult not with score but it's right there yes it's in real time and then eventually imagine a tournament that never ends that's sort of a asynchronous experience where people can walk up to games anywhere and their their games are their scores are in the cloud and another thing too this isn't just for tournaments if you're an operator scorebit can help there that's right yeah you can have a list of machines that you're operating it tells you their health and how much you've earned and everything that you might want to have if you're an operator imagine you have a hundred machines in the city and the game goes down and if you don't know about it will tell you that's right that's money you've lost exactly or gained in the case of scorebit all right i know you do this along with along with brian o'neill and ron richards my co-founders who are fantastic shout out to ron who's in new york right now wishes he could be here well i saw brian he's doing well too thanks very much jay this scorebit's wonderful it was my pleasure thanks for having us
high · Production elements visible throughout: live scoreboards, Scorpion integration, multiple angles, Carl D'Angelo production credits, Color DMD sponsor segment
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personnel_signal: Jordan Duchesne identified as emerging elite player: only ~1 year of competitive play but already top 20 IFPA rating; demonstrating advanced save techniques
medium · Ian Harrower: 'he's only been playing um competitive pinball for a little over a year and last time he checked he was top 20 in um ifpa rating' and description of outlane save as 'incredible'
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competitive_signal: Observation that competitive pinball players miss shots significantly more often early in games due to nerves/anxiety, creating strategic implications for match play
medium · Ian Harrower: 'when those nerves start coming you get anxious and you just you're just a little fast because you're amped up more than you normally would be'
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market_signal: INDISC 2020 explicitly described as becoming a 'destination' tournament event worthy of World Championship status; draws international competitors
high · Ryan Wenger: 'this is definitely becoming a destination this is definitely worthy of being a major and being a world championship'
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venue_signal: Museum of Pinball in Banning, California hosting successful major tournament despite facility lacking heating
high · Ryan Wenger commenting on cold conditions: 'a lot of sitting very cold the first few days' and 'there's no heat in this building and you're in california'
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community_signal: Women's division at INDISC 2020 drew 65 competitors, described as 'one of the biggest' women's tournaments Ryan Wenger has played in (second to WHIPPED at Pinburgh)
high · Ryan Wenger: 'there was 65 women in the women tournament wow yeah that's one of the biggest ones i've played in whipped is definitely the biggest one'
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rumor_hype: Ace Gogi (Korean BBQ in Los Angeles) running $50 bounty for first person to score 60 million on Class of 1812; challenge uncompleted as of broadcast
medium · Ryan Wenger: 'they have a bounty on this game of 50 which gets awarded to the first person to score 60 million and nobody's done it yet it's a it's a difficult thing on this game'