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053: Get Out of Your Head

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·35m 12s·analyzed·Jun 24, 2026
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TL;DR

Competitive pinball psychology discussion covering nervousness, self-talk, venue adaptation, and tournament mentality.

Summary

Hosts of Punk Rock Pinball Podcast discuss the psychology of competitive pinball, sharing personal experiences with nervousness, self-doubt, and mental performance during tournaments. They analyze how negative self-talk and comparing scores to opponents affects gameplay, offer practical strategies like having a game plan and focusing on objectives rather than opponent performance, and mention upcoming tournaments including a major competition at Pinball Capital in Chicago.

Key Claims

  • The host DQ'd themselves in league finals by playing their opponent's ball while in a habit from playing a single-player EM game, losing the match 4-1.

    high confidence · Host describes disqualifying themselves in head-to-head match on Close Encounters after playing Jacks Open, a one-player EM where balls came quick.

  • Negative self-talk and doubting ability directly correlates with worse competitive performance in pinball.

    high confidence · Hosts discuss multiple examples of players getting in 'mental funk' and playing worse when self-doubt creeps in, comparing it to golf psychology.

  • Players who travel to many different pinball locations adapt better to game setup variations and play more consistently across different venues.

    high confidence · Hosts mention observing players like Lily and Dory consistently performing well due to playing at many different locations, adapting to setup differences.

  • Games at different locations play significantly differently due to variations in pitch angle, wax, playfield wear, and leveling.

    high confidence · Hosts explain that their local games all pitch around 7 degrees while Champaign locations are much flatter; Retro Ralph story about owning a game but struggling on tournament version.

  • Owning a pinball machine helps primarily with learning rules but does not guarantee better tournament performance on that machine at other locations.

    high confidence · Hosts discuss how Retro Ralph was frustrated playing his own James Bond at tournament, realizing it plays differently than his home version.

Notable Quotes

  • “I walk up to the game and I just say, like, just do the best you can do. Yeah. And that's what I do. And sometimes it's good and sometimes it isn't, but that's the best I could do on that ball.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ mid-episode — Articulates a practical mental strategy to manage pressure by focusing on process over outcome.

  • “One ball can change it all. Like, how do you get over that? ... You never know. They might just shit the bed on their next two balls and you just have some average balls to beat them.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ mid-episode — Core insight about not giving up mentally after opponent scores well; emphasizes comeback potential in pinball.

  • “I play my best when I'm relaxed. ... I play my best when I don't care.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ mid-episode — Personal insight about performance peaking when mental pressure is removed.

  • “If you can trick yourself into being confident. But not overly confident. No, just confident that you can do it. You can do it. You trick yourself into being confident and you play so much better.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ mid-episode — Practical psychological technique for managing doubt and self-belief in competition.

  • “Because I feel like on the modern Stearns, like this total score is at the bottom, but if you hit big jackpots, it'll put that number up... I want an option in Stern's thing that you can set it up to blind mode and it just you don't see the scores until the end.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ mid-episode — Suggests novel tournament format idea to eliminate score-based psychological pressure.

Entities

Punk Rock Pinball PodcastorganizationPinball CapitalvenueDumb RecordsvenueVault 66venueJoeypersonRosiepersonChris O'BrienpersonJoe SharppersonCJpersonLilyperson

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts and competitive players openly discuss anxiety, nervousness, negative self-talk, and mental performance issues in tournament pinball, normalizing psychological challenges.

    high · Multiple players mentioned getting nervous in finals, experiencing mental funk, and self-doubt affecting performance; hosts offer peer support and pep talks.

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Travel and venue diversity directly impacts competitive consistency; players who play many different locations develop adaptability advantage.

    high · Hosts identify Lily and Dory as consistently strong because they travel; discuss how local players' familiarity with home machines' setups creates blind spots.

  • ?

    venue_signal: Springfield, Illinois pinball scene expanding with new dedicated pinball venue (Vault 66) opening near existing arcade venue (Dumb Records); partnership model with cross-venue access.

    high · Vault 66 opened in downtown Springfield with 14 machines; offering $10 wristband for access to both venues; monthly tournaments at Dumb Records continuing.

  • ?

    event_signal: Major multi-day pinball competition at Pinball Capital in Chicagoland happening this weekend (Friday-Sunday); attracts many elite players.

    high · Hosts planning to attend; describe it as venue with 100+ machines; expect Joe Sharp and CJ to place in top third; acknowledge they likely won't place in top 50%.

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Game setup and maintenance variations (pitch angle, wax, playfield wear, leveling) significantly affect shot placement and gameplay feel across venues.

Transcript

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0:00
Hi. Welcome to the Punk Rock Pinball Podcast Episode 53. 53. Where we're going to talk about, oh shit, dropping our phones. And we're going to talk about the punkey. I'm talking about the psychology of pinball competition. And I have like a brain fart I can share that I did this weekend. It probably plays into this. It definitely plays into this. We had our league finals on Saturday. A finals and B finals. Yeah. You played them. I played in them. I had a prior engagement. Stephanie had a prior engagement, couldn't make it. Rosie won the B finals. That is so awesome. And Joey won the A finals. I would have won it if I was there, probably. Possibly. But, and then we're going to a big pinball competition this week. Yeah, it starts on Friday. It starts on Friday up at the Pinball Capital. We haven't been there yet. We've not been there yet. They have well over a hundred pinball machines. Yeah. So that's going to be real cool. I'm so excited. I'm like so excited. It's like Friday, Saturday, Sunday we'll be there. Mm-hmm. And I'm also excited to be there. And we'll get into that. And I also wanted to just mention one thing I saw today on the Facebook. Is it about Springfield? Yeah. I was going to bring that up. Okay, you can bring it up. So this is pretty cool. So our friends at Dumb Records, they have this a nice little arcade in the back of the record shop. It's really actually cool if you're ever driving through Illinois and you're in Springfield, stop at Dumb Records. It's a great record store. It's also a music venue. And then it's kind of feels like a little hidden gem in the back is this cool setup that they have with games and they host tournaments. Well, there's another fella named Chris who owns some properties in downtown Springfield and he just opened up the- Vault 66. Pinball place. And it's like a block away from Dumb Records. Yeah. Like you kind of walk through this like alleyway cutway. It's like a block away. Mm-hmm. And they're doing a thing that maybe it's just for the summertime, I'm not sure, where you can buy for 10 bucks a wristband that gets you into both venues. Yeah. For the day. And Dumb Records, their arcade in the back I think has seven or eight machines. I think Vault 66 has like 14 right now. Oh my gosh. I think that's what the post said. So you could, I think, and I could be wrong on this, I think you could go to Dumb Records and get the wristband or you could go to Vault 66 and get the wristband. But that would get you entry, it's only $10. It's so cool. They can play. They've got their open hours. I just shared the post. I shared the Dumb Records post in our Facebook group if you want to look at that. I shared that today, Monday, June 22nd at 4.45 p.m. That's pretty cool. I shared about an hour ago. This will be coming out Wednesday. But if you're hearing this Wednesday and you're around Springfield, check that post, check their hours. They're open like a few different days a week. That's cool. Get in there and play some pinball. I want to do a progressive pinball tournament between the two.
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Retro Ralphperson
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Rich Scafidiperson
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Joe (and Shelly)person
8-Bit Arcadevenue
Champaignvenue
Stern Pinballcompany

high · Hosts explain local games pitch ~7 degrees vs. Champaign's flatter machines; Retro Ralph story about owning game but struggling on tournament version due to setup differences.

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts discuss novel tournament format idea: 'blind mode' where scores are hidden until end of games to eliminate psychological pressure from opponent comparison.

    medium · Hosts propose covering DMD scores, having spotter confirm player order; recognize this would require elite players to estimate final scores without feedback.

  • ?

    operational_signal: Local competitive league structure: 11-week regular season followed by finals (head-to-head best-of-7); players act as tournament directors; community knows each other well.

    high · Host describes league finals structure; mentions being tournament director and running both A and B finals; references 11 weeks of regular season play.

  • ?

    community_signal: Local pinball community emphasizes peer support, pep talks, and shared mental challenges; hosts offer publicly to provide encouragement to struggling players.

    high · Hosts offer pep talks to community members struggling with competition; discuss giving Joey mental pep talk that helped his game; encourage reaching out for support.

  • ?

    product_strategy: Host requests Stern Pinball add 'blind mode' tournament setting to disable score display until end of games.

    medium · Host states: 'I want an option in Stern's thing that you can set it up to blind mode and it just you don't see the scores until the end.'

  • 3:51
    Yeah, there's got to be like a cool way or like have like a, where the qualifying is in one space and the finals are in the other or some kind of deal. It'd be cool. Yeah. And they've been running the monthly tournament for Dumb Records is coming up this weekend. And we won't be able to make it because we'll be up by Chicagoland.
    4:13
    But the Dumb Records Monthly is this weekend, too. That's cool. So if you're... I think it's a Saturday. If you're centrally located in Illinois, you should go down to Dumb Records. Yeah, if you're not going up to the pinball capital. See Jeff and Brian? Nice guys. Yeah, maybe KJ takes a trip down there. He played in the last one. Maybe Cat will go down there.
    4:34
    Yeah, so that's going on down there. Cool. But the psychology of pinball competition. I don't really know what we're going to talk about in regards to this, but it is a weird thing. Well, I feel like we're going to maybe, are we going to give some of our secret strategies away before the big competition? I don't know if I have any functional secret strategies. I only have one. Okay. I can tell my story about a mistake you might not want to do that I did Saturday in our league finals. And then you psyched yourself out. And I was just all screwed up the whole rest of the match. Our league finals, it's head to head. It's like you versus one other player for a best of seven. First person to win four wins the match. And I was the higher seed. And I was also the tournament director in this tournament. Solo. But Shelly was there. Shelly really helped. She pretty much ran the B. But each guy or gal, they pick their games. And then the higher seed for game one can either pick the game that you play or you could defer, Let the other person pick the game and then you be player two if you want. So I did that game one. I was playing Spicy Rich. What'd you pick? So I let Rich pick game one. Oh. So I said, you pick which game we're gonna play and I'll be player two and he picks Jax Open. Which is like, I suck on the EMs, but it's an old EM, it's a one player game. Five balls. Don't tilt. So I win this game. I win on Jack's Open, so I'm feeling real good because that's one I would expect to lose. What was your score? Not very good. 40,000. Good enough. 40,000. Rich had like 32,000. But mind you, it's a one-player game and I've just played five balls in a row. Just me. So next arena is my choice and I say let's stay right here and let's go to Close Encounters. Okay. Because they're right next to each other and that was my classic pick. So we are allowed to warm up there so I asked Rich, I says, do you want to warm up? He's like, nah. And I says, nah. I says. I says to him. So we don't warm up. I hit two players. I play my ball one. It's not very good. It goes pretty quick. There's no ball saved. Then what I go ahead and do is the next ball comes in the trough. I play that ball. I've done it. And then Rich from behind says to me, aren't we supposed to take turns? And I said, yeah, we are. I'm disqualified. You win the match because I played his ball. So now the match was one to one because I just was like out of it. It was just in the habit of playing because none of my balls on Jack's open took very long either. So ball one drain. I'm like, this plunge ball two. Well, that's Rich's ball one. I DQ myself. I lost the match four games to one. I think it's, I've done that same exact thing, but I played not only the second, I was player one, and then I played player two's ball and player three's ball. Oh, you just played all three? Yeah, it was at league in Champaign, and it's because I was chatting with the person next to me just casually, and I was just plunging, and then it hit me what I did. I think if you're player one in that situation, you're more likely to do that than if you're player two. Yeah, especially coming off a game that is a single player, five ball game, and they're all quick and then Close Encounters is quick player. But I was like real nervous. And I don't know what this is, but maybe if you're watching, if you play tournaments, maybe you get nervous. I was talking with Joey in between some rounds like I do not get nervous during our league regular league sessions Do you No No Or even in regular tournaments anymore
    8:55
    Not really. But I get way nervous in the finals. I guess I take it back. I don't know. I'm probably going to be nervous this weekend because I've never played at this place. I'm probably going to be a little nervous. Yeah, like new surroundings. Yeah. You know, different sounds. The games are all going to play way differently. Where are the games? Who are these people I'm playing with? I don't know them. You'll be playing Modern Sterns with no ball saves. I mean, I know, but I'll probably, maybe, I don't know. But yes, I don't know. I might get a little nervous this weekend. I might have a little nervous diarrhea and tell everyone about it. That's part of my strategy. Oh, that's your strategy. Yeah. I walk up and say, hi, I'm Stephanie. And they say, hi, I'm so-and-so. And then I'll, just before I plunge, I'll look at them and say, They say, do you have nervous diarrhea too? And then they're going to be like, what the fuck is wrong with this person? Maybe I should say it just before they plunge. I don't know. But nervous diarrhea will be discussed. I thought before the strategy was to tell them before you play, like, I hope I don't shit my pants. It goes along with that too. Which is maybe better because nervous diarrhea is not like contagious. So it leaves them, it doesn't get their mind wandering as much as if you just tell them that you hope you don't shit your pants. Or maybe I just say, do you know they're out of, I just went to the bathroom, do you know that they're out of towels in there? And then I touch the things. That might be part of my strategy. So your strategy is to get into the mind in a dark way of your opponent. Maybe. But it's weird for the finals, like I get very nervous for the league finals. It's intense. And then Joey who won it was super nervous all day because I would see him in between rounds like he smokes and I smoke. So he came out between one game and he's like, I'm gonna puke. This is so intense. Because typically in regular tournaments now I don't get nervous unless I make the finals and then I'm nervous in the final. And I play worse when I'm nervous. Everybody does. So how about if you're watching, let us know in the comments below. Like if you're nervous or kind of amped up, do you play worse or do you play better? Do you do breathing exercises? How do you try to get back in the zone? Because I feel like although Joey gets nervous in the finals, like he wins a lot. So maybe he plays better when he's like cheered up like that. And I play my best when I'm relaxed. Well, I feel like, yeah, I play my best when I don't care. Although when we did like the strikes tournament at the end of the day, Everybody had been playing all day long and drinking, so I won. But I also didn't care. Yeah. I didn't care that much in that, and I did better.
    12:03
    And, like, Joey, I think, was one of the first out because he, like, blew it all in the finals. Shot his load. Mm-hmm. But I also saw Joey actively participating with some, like, negative self-talk. Do you do that in tournaments? I do this in tournaments. Don't do that. Because it was a game, the same thing I did the same. He may have ended up winning his game, but this happened to me. I was playing Rich on Fall of the Empire. I had an okay ball one. And then Rich puts up, it was ball one or two. And then Rich puts up like a really big ball. So now I'm like way behind and I'm like, I'm going to lose this one. And I think it was when Joey was then playing Rich and he's like, well, I'm going to, it was after ball one. He's like, I'm going to lose this game. Did you both lose that game? I think Joey won his, but I lost mine. Yeah, you can't. But a lot of times if you have like a bad ball one, if you see your opponent put up a big number, do you just chalk that up as a loss? No, because one ball can change it all. I know. One ball can change it all.
    13:12
    Like, how do you get over that? You tell your opponent, I see you shot your load there. And it'll even be scores on a game that you've beaten that score many times. I mean, it does mess with your mind. Especially if player one plays a ball and it is like a monster ball. It is like, ugh, I'm never going to do that. But you never know. You never know. They might just shit the bed on their next two balls and you just have some average balls to beat them. You don't know. And any one ball can change the whole thing. You just don't know which ball that would beat. Right. Maybe for them it was number one. Yeah, because usually most players I think don't have three great balls in a game like average players. You know what my dad would say? Keep on pushing. Here's what happens in my mind, and maybe this happens in your mind as a listener.
    14:14
    Let's say you're playing someone on Jaws or John Wick. Let's say you're pretty good at Jaws, capable of 500 million to a billion points, but player one shoots like 350 on ball one. And my brain instantly goes into this process of thinking of all the things I need to do to get to 350 million. And then I am tired thinking about that or it's like, I don't know if I have the energy and focus to do everything I need to do to get that far. You know what I do? Huh? I walk up to the game and I think, what are like the three things I need to do so I don't just plunge the ball without any kind of plan? Because Joe Sharp has told me you got to have a plan. So just a couple of things. And then sometimes when I do those couple of things, like on Deadpool, I've got my things that I do. Once I do those, I'm like, I don't even know what I'm supposed to do now. But I walk up to the game and I just say, like, just do the best you can do.
    15:14
    Yeah. And that's what I do. And sometimes it's good and sometimes it isn't, but that's the best I could do on that ball. Yeah, I think for me, I would do better if I just couldn't see what the score was that my opponent shot. Don't look at him. If it was like just blanked. Unless it's like kind of low and I know like if I only need to do a certain thing to beat it. That can screw you though. That would be a really fun tournament actually. Or not like a tournament but just maybe fun play to cover the scores. I'll cover the spot. I think you might have to just cover the whole DMD. You might have to cover. And maybe you just have someone who looks like there's a spotter to say like yes it's player twos. But that would be really fun to see what the scores end up, wouldn't it? It would be funny. We should do it sometime. Maybe we can do it tonight. Or like, I feel like I'm doing a good score and don't even know. And you don't even know. Because I feel like on the modern Stearns, like this total score is at the bottom, but if you hit big jackpots, it'll put that number up. Maybe you could leave that if you don't know the total. I want an option in Stern's thing that you can set it up to blind mode and it just you don't see the scores until the end. You don't see anything. It would be interesting to be like, who do you think won? Mm hmm. Yeah, because only a super elite player would have an idea real close ballpark to how many points they have. I mean, I would know if I had a lot or a little, but I couldn't tell you on Jaws if I just shot like 300 million or 800 million. No. I mean, maybe, probably. I couldn't tell you between like three and 550. No. Because that feels to me like a good amount. But yeah, there's like the negative self-talk. What are some good strategies to get out of the negative mental funk?
    17:14
    What are some good ways around that to mentally prepare better for these moments? I don't know the answer to that. I don't get in that funk. You don't? Not really.
    17:26
    I'm either feeling it or I'm not. Like sometimes I just like just it not that I just kind of like not super into it in the moments if I tired Yeah But I just try to do my best Okay So I guess I need some tips on how to get out of the mental funk when it starts. Well, you're... And I think our friend Chris O'Brien was in a little bit of that funk on the finals day too. He won his first match, but then I think got swept by CJ in the second round. And I was talking to him and he's like, every outlane, you know, and then you feel like the pinball gods are just against you that day.
    18:11
    And then when I'm playing, I'm just like expecting the ball to drain the whole time when I get in the funk. I'm just looking at it, waiting for the bad bounce to the outlane. I mean, I guess sometimes I get in a mental funk like that. I don't know. Because I feel like if you can trick yourself into being confident. But not overly confident. No, just confident that you can do it. You can do it. You trick yourself into being confident and you play so much better. And then when the self-doubt creeps in, that's when you start playing like shit and you flip when you shouldn't flip. And like over nudging. It's very much like if you've ever played golf, it's very much like golf. Like when the doubts about your ability start to creep in, you start to suck. Well, you know what, honey? You earned a gold pin. Did earn a gold pin on Sunday, the previous Sunday. So maybe just touch the pin. Maybe just touch the pin. Rub the pin. Rub the pin and be like, you know what, I can do this. Mm-hmm. Only winners get the pin. Only winners get the pin. And I won the qualifying and the finals. And that's going to be intimidating to people. Only people around here that know what it is. I know. But still, you have that pin. People here are psyched about the gold pin, I'll tell you. Yeah, the gold pin rules. Mm-hmm. CJ has two. He's got the most. I think Joe doesn't have one yet. No. Shelly has one.
    19:50
    You have one. Rosie has one. Cat needs one. I have one. Joey. Mm-hmm. That's all. Kev got one, too. Kevin. Kevin and I split it. Yeah, it's like your best friends. I should have a half a pin. And then when they go together, you guys are like BFFs. Yeah, but how can you find confidence in the midst of a bad slump? Your pin, I'm telling you. It's rub the pin. Rub the pin. What if you don't have a pin? What are you going to do? Give yourself a pin. Give yourself some kind of a reminder of like the best game, like best tournament you've ever done on pinball. Treat yourself to something special. And I know we watch the Retro Ralph videos sometimes and he talks about this where he gets kind of overly amped up and then will struggle in tournaments where you don't play up to your ability.
    20:49
    And where we're going this weekend, I mean, there's going to be many, many elite players. So we're not expecting to win. No. I would be ecstatic if I was in the top 50%. Totally, but I'm not going to be. And that's not negative self-taught. No. I think that's just reality. Yeah, realistic. I'm not expecting to be in the top 50% either. No, I want to see some of my friends up there. I expect that from you people. I expect Joe Sharp to be in the top half. Mm-hmm. I expect CJ to be in the top half. Mm-hmm. And maybe the top third. I think either one of those guys could be top third up there. Okay. Do it boys. Yeah. I don't think we have the skills to be the top third on our best day. Everyone's going to have to have nervous diarrhea for that to happen. Yeah. So we'll probably be nervous playing in that and in a situation like that doesn't really matter because you can't win. No, you just have fun. I can't win. Just have fun. Hang out with your friends. Talk pinball. It fires me up for our league finals because if I got hot or if you had a hot day, you could win. Well, the thing is that we know everybody. League is after 11 weeks of playing with the same group, you have this. And at some point, you've probably beat everybody. Yeah. In one night, but you've beat the individual. On a game. On a game, you've beat them. They're beatable. You know this. You've beaten all of them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Even if some of them beat you way more often than you beat them, you have beaten them. And in the head-to-head, you just got to beat them on four. Yeah. It's possible. Yeah. Telling me there's a chance. There's a chance. So I don't know if it really probably helped anybody with this, but just to, I guess, if you're the type of person that struggles, So, because with the competitive pinball kind of mindset, you're not alone. No. Because I'm here, I do it. I guess with Stephanie, it's just you just try to care a little bit less? Well, I think I'm just naturally half glass, half full. Okay. Okay, so be naturally glass half full. I'm not really... No, you're just like neutral. Naturally neutral. I think. Yeah. You're not negative. But you're just kind of neutral. I'm most negative internally. I know. Like towards myself. I know. You shouldn't be. Where I'd be like, I'm the worst player that ever tried to play this game. Why do I even play this game? Especially when I play Knight Rider. I'm like, I'm the worst Knight Rider EM pinball player that ever lived. Oh wait, no, I beat you. No, I did not beat you. I only won like one game on Knight Rider. In your life? Yeah. Oh, you should play it more. I don't like it. I do. It should just break more. No, it's great. It's fun. Well, you know what? Just have fun. The number one goal should be to have fun. That's what it should be. And if you're not having fun, then go home. Yeah, I think you were saying like plunge with the plan and that is correct. And I think a lot of times if I see somebody put up a huge score, then I'm going in there plunging, trying to make that up also fast. And like you don't get there fast. So you still just have to know your plan and stick to it regardless of what anyone else did in your match. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I know on every game there's multiple strategies you can take, but like the strategy that you usually play on whatever game, I guess just do that and just focus on completing your objectives within the game and not worry about what someone else did. Marshall says, don't be negative. And he said, yeah, that's the right strategy. Then also, like for this weekend, for us, just know that these games that we play every week here, and when we see them up there, they are not the same games. Yeah, that's the wild thing. Like it's almost, if you own pinball machines, you might know this, like if you own a Jaws or whatever, the games at different locations don't play the same way that yours does at home. So it can almost be a disadvantage playing on one that you own.
    25:35
    Yeah. And I know Retro Ralph had his, he told his story about his like tournament fail on James Bond. He was mad. He was yelling, I own this game. And it's like, that's probably why you sucked on it. Yeah. Because yours doesn't play like that one.
    25:51
    Yeah. You know, because every game is set up a little bit different. Playfields may be a little bit cleaner, a little dirtier. Maybe it was waxed. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it's not dead level or maybe yours isn't. Maybe it's a little steeper or a little bit less steep. Lots of variables. So many variables. So owning it really just helps you learn the rules. Mm-hmm. But it like not going to the shots are not going to be exactly on the flipper where they are like on your game at home versus when we go play their Jaws up at the Pinball Capitol it going to play different than this Totally. And different than Joe's. Yep. Different than CJ's. Yep. All different. So just know that. Yeah. So don't be hard on yourself when you're like, oh, I had a shit game on whatever. I think that's where a lot of the really consistently good players, like I feel like our friend Lily is pretty consistently good. I follow Dory on Facebook and it seems like she's consistently really good. And those two, from what I can tell of their Facebook travelings, like they go and they play a lot of different places all the time. Yeah. And if you're looking to become like a real seasoned competitive player, it's probably best to go around and play as many different locations as you can. I think you're right. Because you get accustomed to adapting to different setups on the games. Yeah, and that's the only way to do it. Yeah.
    27:34
    Is to go and play different ones. So now when you think about Jaws, if it's Dory or Lily thinking about Jaws, like they've probably played 20 different ones. And so they're just going to think about the rules and then just play that one how it is. Mm hmm. Whereas, you know, we've played this one a thousand times and I'm expecting things to be where it is. Play how this one does, because we don't we go get around, but we mostly play at our HQ and at the house. Yep. And then, you know, once a month over 8-Bit and then we'll go in Joe and Shelly's.
    28:09
    But between Joe and Shelly's in our house and 8-Bit Arcade, they're set up pretty similarly. Because we pitch them all, we all pitch them about the same, like right around 7 degrees.
    28:24
    So like our setups are all pretty similar down here. And then you go around to like Champaign and like no one's games are that steep. No. All floaty, and then you're like, well, what the hell am I doing here? Yep. Yeah, we do need to get out and play more. Yeah, like just some different, because every location around here, it's going to be our games or CJ's games or Joe and Shelly's, and we all set ours up kind of about the same. Yeah. We should go play somewhere else. I mean, we are this weekend. Yeah. But like, we should go somewhere we've never been again. Once a month. Okay. Only problem is it's kind of far to do that. Well, we are going to go to Philly next month. Yeah, we'll have to look at the pinball map, find a nice pinball location in Philadelphia, or maybe on the way out, we stop and play someplace. Mm-hmm. Yeah, what's the date? I'll talk about that date next time. I'm going to Philadelphia. Smoking Pops will be on tour. I'm only going to do the Philadelphia shows. Because they've got a really good sandwich there. Because we're going for the Dinnick's roast pork sandwich.
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    That's why I'm doing the Philly show. No, why I'm doing the Philadelphia show is because my friend John, who's filling in for me, can't do those two. So it just worked out great because Philly has the best sandwich in the world. It's really good. Name a better sandwich. Yeah, it's among the best sandwiches in the world. Johnny's Beef. And that's a good sandwich too. How about that good? Different sandwich.
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    We could get that delivered probably while we're at the Pinball Catwalk. Johnny's, it's not that far. But I also want to get an Alpine Sub, also Elmwood Park. It's a great sub place on North Avenue right down the road from Johnny's.
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    We can eat all these things. We'll be there for three days. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so, because that Pope's tour I'm not gonna do because mostly because my body doesn't like it anymore. So that's why if you're a Pope's fan and you're wondering. You got to listen to your body. Yeah. My ankle and my knee and my shoulder do weird things if I play multiple days in a row. So we're gonna give it a break. Give it a rest. I'll just go rock Philly and eat that sandwich and maybe play pinball on the way to or fro Philadelphia. Definitely. Will we drive there? Yeah, remember I told you let's drive there so that we can then maybe go to like Past Times Arcade. Okay, we'll be driving to Philly. It's not that far. End of July, right? It's like the end of July. I think so. Yeah. I took the days off. I didn't take them off yet, I will.
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    But yeah, what, do we have anything else to add to this topic? I don't really feel like we gave anybody any help, but it's just kind of a random discussion about this topic. We're also not mental health experts. No, the psychology of pinball competition. I mean, we talked through some of it. I hope we helped somebody. Or maybe we just, if you're somebody that struggles like me, you've found somebody who also struggles in the same way. You're not alone. Mike's here. Just reach out to him. Yeah. If you also typically play below your skill level when you're in competition, I'm right there with you. If you need a pep talk, you can reach out to me. I'm happy to give you a pep talk. Stuff will give you a pep talk. Yeah. I've given some pretty good pep talks and turned people's games around. The funny thing is I gave Joey the pep talk that I should have gave myself when he was watching Rich blow up a game. He's like, I'm gonna lose this. This game is a loss. And I'm like, I'm like, don't worry about what he's doing. Just do what you can do. See, that's do the best you can do. And I almost I did that I did give myself that talk on our fall of the empire match, and I almost caught him. See, it the score was like, ball three. He had about 380 million, which on our fall of the empire is not not a bad I had like 380 million and going into ball three I only had like 20 million. It was sucking.
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    And then I got up to almost 300 million. Like I got the Death Star multiball and the Hoth multiball both in that one ball. That's a good ball. I just failed to cash the super jackpots. So I didn't catch them but it was like it was a better ball three than I typically would have in that situation.
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    In, you know, the finals of yesteryear or yesterday. So you can do it. You can do it. And you can do it. Yes, you can. Uh-huh. Yeah. So don't give up. Yeah. One ball can change it all. It sucks when your first ball is like just a might as well just tossed it right in the toilet. Yeah. But that's okay. That's pinball. Yeah. That's why you get three balls. It's true. You get three. It's not a one ball game.
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    And a lot of people listened to and watched the last episode about our pinball club, our experience running a pinball collective.
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    One of our most watched YouTube videos since the Transformers one. Really? Yeah. It's the most watched one since the Transformers one. Did really well on the audio side too. That's cool. So thank you for watching that. Yeah, thanks. And if you're ever going to be in central Illinois, definitely reach out and come play with us. Yeah, we like it. We like when people come. We got a couple new members. Yeah. Very cool. I think that'll do it. We're going to keep it short because it's 515 and I got to go open the club up. Yeah, I got to pack. I got to go out of town. Stuff's going out of town. So we got to wrap it up. I'm tired. Yeah. I don't even know what clothes I'm going to pack. Well. I'm going to figure that out. Figure it out. I can do it. Okay. I think that's it. Okay. Marshall. Oh, Marshall has something to say? Do you have something to say? He said, don't have negative self-talk is what Marshall's saying. Yeah. If you need Marshall Pub Talk, we're here. Thank you for watching. Have an awesome week and looking forward to seeing a bunch of people at the Pinball Capitol this weekend. Mm-hmm. Toodaloo. Thank you.