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It's a Pinball Christmas Miracle with Triple Drain Pinball Podcast

LoserKid YouTube·video·1h 56m·held·Dec 17, 2025
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TL;DR

Loser Kid hosts Triple Drain in holiday special discussing Harry Potter design depth, manufacturer sales trends, and market distribution dynamics.

Summary

Josh Roop hosts a Christmas-themed episode of the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast featuring guests from Triple Drain (Joel, Tom, Travis) and Scott Larson. The group discusses recent game purchases, Harry Potter design philosophy and appeal as a complex, theme-immersive title, production capacity and sales trends across manufacturers (particularly Stern's Godzilla outselling record and Spooky's Beetlejuice selling out pre-release), and broader market dynamics suggesting saturation in dealer networks despite strong individual game sales.

Key Claims

  • Godzilla is approaching or will become the best-selling pinball machine of all time, surpassing Addams Family's ~20,000 units

    high confidence · Josh citing Gomez (Stern) statement on Carrie Hardy's show about Godzilla sales trajectory

  • Harry Potter (JJP) is not beginner-friendly and requires mid-level or higher player skill to fully appreciate due to complex rule set and shot patterns

    high confidence · Multiple speakers (Scott, Josh, Tom) discussing Harry Potter's design philosophy and difficulty curve relative to casual entry-level games

  • Tom Graph is the only one of the five main podcast personalities to own Harry Potter, acquired early through Kingpin Games affiliation

    high confidence · Josh and Tom directly discussing Tom's ownership and acquisition method

  • Spooky's Beetlejuice sold out before official release (2026 game) despite not being revealed yet

    high confidence · Joel and Josh discussing pre-release sellout status of Beetlejuice

  • Stern's production capacity is significantly higher than Jersey Jack's, enabling rapid Godzilla restocks while JJP manages single-game focus over extended periods

    medium confidence · Comparison discussion between Godzilla (Stern) distribution capabilities and JJP's projected 7-10 year Harry Potter production window

  • Jaws 50th (Stern) has been a strong seller in 2025, contributing to high production volumes

    medium confidence · Josh stating Jaws 50th 'has crushed' and contributes to Stern production data

  • The pinball market may be experiencing distribution saturation rather than genuine contraction—many dealers and distributors exist, spreading finite demand

    medium confidence · Travis proposing theory that perception of downturn stems from diluted distribution network rather than actual declining sales

  • Harry Potter's complexity and heavy reliance on shot patterns and modes make it unsuitable for casual/family players like Joel's wife

Notable Quotes

  • “It shoots like butter. He told us.”

    Josh Roop (describing Star Wars fix feedback from John Borg)@ 2:03 — Running joke about Star Wars Death Star shot issue and upcoming mechanical fix

  • “Harry Potter is your game of the year in your collection. And that was my game of the year... TikTok 50,000 baby. It doesn't lie.”

    Josh Roop@ 14:00 — Confirmation of Tom's personal game-of-year ranking and audience engagement metrics

  • “Theme immersion. I like how they took all the movies and made sure they did the best with what they could with that. I like the spinning staircase.”

    Tom Graph@ 15:24 — Tom's rationale for why Harry Potter ranks highest in his collection

  • “If you're going to experience the game, you're gonna have to immerse yourself a little bit into flipper skills, into knowing the rule set because that is what is required for you to experience the game.”

    Scott Larson@ 20:03 — Articulates the intentional design philosophy behind Harry Potter's complexity

  • “The lessons they've learned from Guns and Roses is you can't just ride one horse until it stops... Harry Potter is something that they could legitimately be making for 7 to 10 years and release a new game, run a few weeks of the new game, swap back.”

    Josh Roop @ Manufacturing strategy discussion — Explains JJP's multi-title production strategy to avoid over-reliance on single game

  • “Godzilla premiums just keep selling... distributors can't keep them in stock.”

    Josh Roop@ 23:05 — Highlights exceptional demand and supply constraint for Stern's Godzilla

Entities

Josh RooppersonScott LarsonpersonJoel EngleberpersonTom GraphpersonTravis MurriepersonLoser Kid Pinball PodcastorganizationTriple Drain Pinball PodcastorganizationJersey Jack Pinball (JJP)company

Signals

  • ?

    product_concern: Star Wars (Stern) Death Star shot consistently rejecting balls; new mechanical fix part being manufactured and distributed to owners

    high · Tom Graph discussing ongoing mechanical issue with Star Wars Death Star shot; John Borg mentioned as providing feedback; new part being distributed

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Harry Potter (JJP) intentionally designed with high complexity and rule depth to reward skilled players and create lasting engagement, but creates barrier for casual/entry-level players

    high · Extended discussion comparing Harry Potter's complex shot patterns and modes to beginner-friendly titles like Medieval Madness; Scott explains design targets mid-level+ players; Joel's wife feedback confirms casual player friction

  • $

    market_signal: Godzilla (Stern) approaching or will become best-selling pinball machine of all time, surpassing Addams Family's historical ~20,000 unit benchmark

    high · Josh citing Gomez (Stern executive) statement on Carrie Hardy show about Godzilla sales trajectory; distributors unable to keep Godzilla premiums in stock

  • ?

    product_launch: Beetlejuice (Spooky, 2026) sold out before official reveal, indicating strong pre-order demand and brand loyalty despite unrevealed product details

    high · Joel and Josh discussing Beetlejuice sellout status; confirmed as 2026 release not yet publicly shown

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern Pinball has significantly higher production capacity than Jersey Jack Pinball; can sustain rapid restocks and multi-title production; JJP planning 7-10 year Harry Potter production window as primary output

Transcript

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0:08
Thanks for tuning in to the loser kid pinball podcast. I am Josh with me. I have multiple co- captains today. Let's start with the main one, >> Scott Larson.
0:16
Scott Larson.
0:16
Scott Larson. >> And next, we did not rehearse this. So,
0:18
And next, we did not rehearse this. So,
0:18
And next, we did not rehearse this. So, whoever wants to go next, >> Tom graph,
0:20
Tom graph,

high confidence · Josh describing wife's feedback: 'I know I'm in Harry Potter...but I have no idea what's going on'

  • “I'm affiliated with Kingpin Games, so I was able to secure that through them.”

    Tom Graph@ 16:04 — Reveals distribution network access enabling early Harry Potter ownership

  • “It's an amazing time to be a pinball fan... nearly everybody's clicking on all the cylinders.”

    Scott Larson (speaker attribution inferred)@ 28:19 — Positive assessment of multi-manufacturer quality and output in 2025

  • “The pinball market may not be down, it just happens to be the distribution network has outgrown the amount of people willing to buy during that time frame.”

    Travis Murrie@ 30:47 — Alternative explanation for perceived market slowdown based on distribution saturation

  • “If they had a Costco homepin version of Harry Potter, it would sell tons—a dumbed down version.”

    Josh Roop (advocating)@ 20:24 — Suggests market opportunity for simplified entry-level variant of Harry Potter IP

    • Stern Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Harry Potter (Jersey Jack Pinball)game
    Godzilla (Stern)game
    Jaws 50th (Stern)game
    Beetlejuice (Spooky)game
    Star Wars (Stern)game
    Kong (Stern)game
    Dungeons and Dragons (Stern)game
    Venom (Stern)game
    Walking Dead Remastered (Stern)game
    Winchester (Barrels of Fun)game
    Evil Dead (Spooky)game
    Kingpin Gamescompany
    Flipping Out Pinballcompany
    Addams Family (Williams)game

    high · Josh comparing Godzilla restocking frequency vs JJP's ability to manage single game over extended period; discussion of Stern's production as 'not just Godzilla' but continuous stream

  • $

    market_signal: Perceived pinball market downturn may reflect distribution network expansion rather than true demand decline; proliferation of dealers and distributors spreading finite customer base

    medium · Travis theorizing market dynamics: 'distribution network outgrew the amount of people willing to buy during that time frame'; observation that 30+ distributors compress what used to concentrate demand

  • ?

    collector_signal: Tom Graph ranks Harry Potter as personal game-of-the-year pick, with Elton John (JJP) as close second; Venom and Walking Dead Remaster rank highest overall in Travis's collection

    high · Tom explicitly naming Harry Potter as game-of-year; TikTok engagement metric cited (50K views); extended discussion of why Harry Potter ranks above Kong, Star Wars, D&D

  • ?

    product_launch: Avengers Infinity Quest Pro, Jaws 50th, Winchester availability and sales activity in 2025; multiple personal purchases by group members indicating strong market fluidity

    high · Josh mentioning partner's Avengers Infinity Quest Pro purchase; Josh ordering Jaws 50th with buddy; Winchester confirmed sold out and banner-featured on show

  • ?

    content_signal: Successful crossover episode between Loser Kid Pinball Podcast (casual/home focus) and Triple Drain Pinball Podcast (competitive/tournament focus) generates community engagement and format innovation

    high · This entire episode format; Josh noting potential for clips to exceed previous viral content (Harry Potter clip); Joel and Triple Drain hosts appearing on Loser Kid platform

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Harry Potter exemplifies design choice prioritizing depth and immersion over casual accessibility; designers explicitly targeting experienced players rather than family/entry-level audience

    high · Scott explaining Harry Potter mirrors book franchise complexity; comparison to Medieval Madness and Cactus Canyon as contrasting accessible designs; explicit discussion of QR-code difficulty customization (easy/average/hard) as mitigation

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Elite players (Travis) prioritize games requiring strategic depth and skill expression (Venom, Walking Dead Remaster); casual players appreciate themed immersion even when rule clarity is compromised

    medium · Travis wanting to set Harry Potter difficulties to maximize mode focus and minimize accidental multiballs; comparison to tournament play mindset vs home enjoyment philosophy

  • ?

    business_signal: Kingpin Games and Flipping Out (Demo Company) serve as key distribution channels enabling early access and inventory management for home collectors; affiliate relationships enable priority allocation

    medium · Tom Graph securing Harry Potter early through Kingpin Games affiliation; Travis representing Flipping Out for Stern machine sales; multiple mentions of dealer network density

    • 0:20
    Tom graph, >> but that was Joel Ingleber.
    0:22
    but that was Joel Ingleber.
    0:22
    but that was Joel Ingleber. >> Oh,
    0:22
    Oh,
    0:22
    Oh, >> Jack Jack Engelber. It's a glass off world champion Jack Engleber Tervis Murvy. >> Okay. All right. We have the Triple
    0:35
    Okay. All right. We have the Triple
    0:35
    Okay. All right. We have the Triple Drain podcast. If you're looking, if you're watching us on YouTube, I actually am representing the Triple Drain shirt, which is one of the coolest designs. So, we have Joel, Tom, and Travis from the Triple Drain Trip Pinball Podcast. If you have not listened to them, definitely check them out. We don't have >> Yeah, we do have a quick sponsor. Josh,
    0:55
    Yeah, we do have a quick sponsor. Josh,
    0:55
    Yeah, we do have a quick sponsor. Josh, go ahead and take that. Oh, yeah. I forget about this. Uh, I guess I don't forget about this. >> Okay, I I can do it cuz I ordered two
    1:01
    Okay, I I can do it cuz I ordered two
    1:02
    Okay, I I can do it cuz I ordered two machines. So, dude, don't say that. People get ticked when you start talking. >> No, I ordered them. I just ordered them.
    1:08
    No, I ordered them. I just ordered them.
    1:08
    No, I ordered them. I just ordered them. >> Turn around so you guys don't have to
    1:09
    Turn around so you guys don't have to
    1:09
    Turn around so you guys don't have to blur my face during this ad read. >> My gosh.
    1:13
    My gosh.
    1:13
    My gosh. >> Put flipping out logo over Travis.
    1:16
    Put flipping out logo over Travis.
    1:16
    Put flipping out logo over Travis. >> That is Okay, so I did order So, I have
    1:19
    That is Okay, so I did order So, I have
    1:19
    That is Okay, so I did order So, I have two friends. I have a partner who just got into pinball and he just ordered a Avengers Infinity Quest Pro game and he decided to go with the Pro. I I found a a used premium, but he wanted the Pro. He got all the accessories and so that's awesome. Got got him set up with that. And I also uh ordered a Jaws 50th with my buddy. So, Zach and Nicole Manny flipping out pinball. He they can hook you up. Okay, Josh, go ahead. >> I agree that you're we should probably
    1:48
    I agree that you're we should probably
    1:48
    I agree that you're we should probably do the five. And the reason being is is because Scott breathes into his microphone like this. >> Oh my gosh, you guys are worse. Shut up
    1:55
    Oh my gosh, you guys are worse. Shut up
    1:55
    Oh my gosh, you guys are worse. Shut up and just focuses on his face while John Borg's talking about fixing a Star Wars shoot. It shoots like butter. He told us. >> Okay. How is that for you, Tom? Is it
    2:07
    Okay. How is that for you, Tom? Is it
    2:07
    Okay. How is that for you, Tom? Is it shooting for like butter yet? >> Oh, wow.
    2:09
    Oh, wow.
    2:09
    Oh, wow. >> No, I'm still waiting for my fix to
    2:11
    No, I'm still waiting for my fix to
    2:11
    No, I'm still waiting for my fix to come. They haven't sent it yet. >> Wait, David fix is coming to your house?
    2:15
    Wait, David fix is coming to your house?
    2:15
    Wait, David fix is coming to your house? >> No. No, that's Star. Okay,
    2:18
    No. No, that's Star. Okay,
    2:18
    No. No, that's Star. Okay, >> that'd be awesome to see fixed every
    2:21
    that'd be awesome to see fixed every
    2:21
    that'd be awesome to see fixed every house that bought a Star Wars. >> So, what Tom is alluding to, which is
    2:25
    So, what Tom is alluding to, which is
    2:25
    So, what Tom is alluding to, which is his his favorite thing. I mean, he's Tom's loving his Star Wars except for the Death Star. >> If I don't get it by Friday, I'm
    2:33
    If I don't get it by Friday, I'm
    2:33
    If I don't get it by Friday, I'm streaming it the way it is. >> That's all I'm saying.
    2:36
    That's all I'm saying.
    2:36
    That's all I'm saying. >> You're going to do nothing but just hit
    2:37
    You're going to do nothing but just hit
    2:37
    You're going to do nothing but just hit Death Star shots. >> Oh, no. We're going to have a We're
    2:40
    Oh, no. We're going to have a We're
    2:40
    Oh, no. We're going to have a We're going to have a rejection. >> We're going to have a rejection counter.
    2:44
    We're going to have a rejection counter.
    2:44
    We're going to have a rejection counter. >> Yeah, you should.
    2:45
    Yeah, you should.
    2:45
    Yeah, you should. >> They made a new part, everybody. They
    2:47
    They made a new part, everybody. They
    2:47
    They made a new part, everybody. They made a new part. Reach out to your dro. >> You'll get your new part. And Tom, I
    2:51
    You'll get your new part. And Tom, I
    2:51
    You'll get your new part. And Tom, I can't wait. Next time we record, you're going to tell me how great. You know, >> oh, shoots like butter.
    2:55
    oh, shoots like butter.
    2:55
    oh, shoots like butter. >> That's all we're going to hear from Tom.
    2:57
    That's all we're going to hear from Tom.
    2:57
    That's all we're going to hear from Tom. >> We're hoping. Just promise me if you
    2:59
    We're hoping. Just promise me if you
    2:59
    We're hoping. Just promise me if you stream on Friday and you don't have the fix, get Joel over there with the microphone they needed for GTF. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
    3:06
    Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
    3:06
    Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, Tom, you're going to go from what
    3:08
    So, Tom, you're going to go from what
    3:08
    So, Tom, you're going to go from what was it? >> In there.
    3:09
    In there.
    3:09
    In there. >> It rejects you like girls in high
    3:11
    It rejects you like girls in high
    3:11
    It rejects you like girls in high school. Two >> to What's your That's what he said.
    3:14
    to What's your That's what he said.
    3:14
    to What's your That's what he said. These were Tom's words. Tom's words. Yeah. Okay. So, but the new one you're just >> now it's now it's your current state of
    3:21
    now it's now it's your current state of
    3:22
    now it's now it's your current state of Tom. Is that where >> everything
    3:31
    get out of here. God pack away. I'm a married man. >> All right.
    3:33
    All right.
    3:33
    All right. >> Oh my god.
    3:34
    Oh my god.
    3:34
    Oh my god. >> This is great. This is a great episode.
    3:36
    This is great. This is a great episode.
    3:36
    This is great. This is a great episode. For >> the proper Okay. Yes. C.
    3:39
    the proper Okay. Yes. C.
    3:39
    the proper Okay. Yes. C. >> Can I tell you guys what Tom and I
    3:40
    Can I tell you guys what Tom and I
    3:40
    Can I tell you guys what Tom and I talked about? This is Travis, by the way, since we were doing introductions. But anyways, Tom Tom and I >> this weekend, Tom, what were we talking
    3:48
    this weekend, Tom, what were we talking
    3:48
    this weekend, Tom, what were we talking about when we were just standing there between rounds? >> Oh, Joel.
    3:52
    Oh, Joel.
    3:52
    Oh, Joel. >> Joel is a complete jerk to us.
    3:55
    Joel is a complete jerk to us.
    3:55
    Joel is a complete jerk to us. >> Yeah, completely. Completely. What? So,
    4:00
    Yeah, completely. Completely. What? So,
    4:00
    Yeah, completely. Completely. What? So, we had somebody come up to us and be like, "Hey, why are you guys so mean to Joel?" Yeah. >> And we were just like
    4:09
    And we were just like
    4:09
    And we were just like every time they they don't hear the first 10 minutes when we get together before Joel presses record. That's what we were talking about. >> So mean to us.
    4:19
    So mean to us.
    4:19
    So mean to us. >> Yeah. So mean. So mean.
    4:22
    Yeah. So mean. So mean.
    4:22
    Yeah. So mean. So mean. >> Where's your Christmas spirit? You know,
    4:24
    Where's your Christmas spirit? You know,
    4:24
    Where's your Christmas spirit? You know, this is supposed to be a holiday of thankfulness and kindness and naughty and nice list. And this is what you're doing. Travis, >> don't meet your heroes.
    4:33
    don't meet your heroes.
    4:33
    don't meet your heroes. >> All right. playing Jacob Marley. We have Joel who's saying his chains are as big as your chains. >> This is not This is not kind, guys. You
    4:44
    This is not This is not kind, guys. You
    4:44
    This is not This is not kind, guys. You know, I was looking forward to tonight. >> Wait, you cannot gaslight us.
    4:48
    Wait, you cannot gaslight us.
    4:48
    Wait, you cannot gaslight us. >> It's dogs and old people.
    4:50
    It's dogs and old people.
    4:50
    It's dogs and old people. >> I was looking forward to tonight and
    4:53
    I was looking forward to tonight and
    4:53
    I was looking forward to tonight and here we are. >> What am I doing? Like Josh, he's doing
    4:56
    What am I doing? Like Josh, he's doing
    4:56
    What am I doing? Like Josh, he's doing it right now. Like Tom and I are having like an honest conversation. >> You guys are in a pinball tournament.
    5:01
    You guys are in a pinball tournament.
    5:01
    You guys are in a pinball tournament. You guys are at a pinball tournament and you decided in that moment to talk about me.
    5:12
    We were just minding our own business.
    5:12
    We were just minding our own business. >> Okay. All right.
    5:14
    Okay. All right.
    5:14
    Okay. All right. >> Well, it's true.
    5:17
    Well, it's true.
    5:17
    Well, it's true. >> All they
    5:18
    All they
    5:18
    All they >> Well, I appreciate you guys. I enjoy
    5:20
    Well, I appreciate you guys. I enjoy
    5:20
    Well, I appreciate you guys. I enjoy this. I enjoy doing things with you guys, you know. >> Oh my god. You can No, you cannot do
    5:24
    Oh my god. You can No, you cannot do
    5:24
    Oh my god. You can No, you cannot do that. No. >> Welcome to It means something to me, you
    5:28
    Welcome to It means something to me, you
    5:28
    Welcome to It means something to me, you know. That's all I'm saying. That's it. I hope you're all going to go around. >> Car gets a flat tire. I swear
    5:35
    Car gets a flat tire. I swear
    5:35
    Car gets a flat tire. I swear >> we're all going to go around and Joel
    5:36
    we're all going to go around and Joel
    5:36
    we're all going to go around and Joel wants to say what he likes about everybody in this group chat. So, >> hey Tom, were you thirsty during Chicago
    5:42
    hey Tom, were you thirsty during Chicago
    5:42
    hey Tom, were you thirsty during Chicago Pinball Expo or did somebody, you know, bring you Mountain Dew? >> That's true.
    5:45
    That's true.
    5:45
    That's true. >> Over and over again, you know.
    5:46
    Over and over again, you know.
    5:46
    Over and over again, you know. >> True.
    5:46
    True.
    5:46
    True. >> Yes.
    5:47
    Yes.
    5:47
    Yes. >> Travis, when you were traveling to that
    5:48
    Travis, when you were traveling to that
    5:48
    Travis, when you were traveling to that one tournament, did you and your wife stay here at the house? I don't know. >> Okay.
    5:52
    Okay.
    5:52
    Okay. >> I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
    5:54
    I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
    5:54
    I'm just saying. I'm just saying. >> Okay. Yes, you are being kind to others.
    5:57
    Okay. Yes, you are being kind to others.
    5:57
    Okay. Yes, you are being kind to others. >> We did. We did stay at Joel's house.
    5:59
    We did. We did stay at Joel's house.
    5:59
    We did. We did stay at Joel's house. Joel can be okay sometimes. >> He did let me have access to his home
    6:03
    He did let me have access to his home
    6:03
    He did let me have access to his home theater and some of his pinball machines. It's whatever. It's fine. >> Wait, wait. I figured this out. This is
    6:08
    Wait, wait. I figured this out. This is
    6:08
    Wait, wait. I figured this out. This is the Festivus episode. This is the >> rearing of
    6:13
    rearing of
    6:13
    rearing of Yeah. So, we're going to have to I'm not sure how we're going to do the feats of strength because we're all in different locations, but we need to make this happen. >> I mean, I'll go first. I don't have any
    6:22
    I mean, I'll go first. I don't have any
    6:22
    I mean, I'll go first. I don't have any because I love all you guys. >> F all the way off with that. No,
    6:30
    F all the way off with that. No,
    6:30
    F all the way off with that. No, you don't get to be nice anymore. >> All right, everybody. At this point,
    6:37
    All right, everybody. At this point,
    6:37
    All right, everybody. At this point, they're like, they're not even talking about pinball. This is >> still
    6:42
    still
    6:42
    still >> So, pinball 2025. Josh, what do you want
    6:44
    So, pinball 2025. Josh, what do you want
    6:44
    So, pinball 2025. Josh, what do you want to talk about? >> I was going to say if if if clipping
    6:47
    I was going to say if if if clipping
    6:47
    I was going to say if if if clipping this episode doesn't surpass our Harry Potter clip that we just last week, I don't know what will because this is just pure gold. Pure gold. >> It's what friendship is, Josh. I wish we
    6:58
    It's what friendship is, Josh. I wish we
    6:58
    It's what friendship is, Josh. I wish we could say it's an act and we plan on it, but we just kind of just bicker. >> We have We've been accused before of
    7:04
    We have We've been accused before of
    7:04
    We have We've been accused before of writing, right? Who writes That was early on in our podcast. People were like, "Who writes your script or whatever?" We're like, >> "Just do bits."
    7:12
    "Just do bits."
    7:12
    "Just do bits." >> Yeah. We're writing our bits. Yeah.
    7:15
    Yeah. We're writing our bits. Yeah.
    7:15
    Yeah. We're writing our bits. Yeah. >> It's AI.
    7:17
    It's AI.
    7:17
    It's AI. >> It's AI. Yeah.
    7:18
    It's AI. Yeah.
    7:18
    It's AI. Yeah. >> I I still remember I think I think what
    7:20
    I I still remember I think I think what
    7:20
    I I still remember I think I think what cemented you guys as just one of the top podcasts. You're only like eight episodes in, but the adult themed video game you guys were talking about >> and like Travis was Travis was looking
    7:33
    and like Travis was Travis was looking
    7:33
    and like Travis was Travis was looking at it on his iPad >> on the plane.
    7:36
    on the plane.
    7:36
    on the plane. >> No, no, no. That was Dennis Quasel that
    7:38
    No, no, no. That was Dennis Quasel that
    7:38
    No, no, no. That was Dennis Quasel that did that. >> It was Denden. He told us about it.
    7:42
    It was Denden. He told us about it.
    7:42
    It was Denden. He told us about it. >> Oh, yeah. Then I was the one that
    7:49
    I didn't realize what it was. Yeah.
    7:49
    I didn't realize what it was. Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Scaring it. And
    7:52
    Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Scaring it. And
    7:52
    Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Scaring it. And >> and the lady next to him was slightly
    7:54
    and the lady next to him was slightly
    7:54
    and the lady next to him was slightly mortified but more intrigued than he might even admit. Yes. >> Yeah. Total stranger.
    7:59
    Yeah. Total stranger.
    7:59
    Yeah. Total stranger. >> Episode eight of
    8:00
    Episode eight of
    8:00
    Episode eight of >> And now we're at episode 70. Yep. It
    8:02
    And now we're at episode 70. Yep. It
    8:02
    And now we're at episode 70. Yep. It just only come. >> How many times is there?
    8:06
    How many times is there?
    8:06
    How many times is there? >> Hard to believe we lasted this long.
    8:08
    Hard to believe we lasted this long.
    8:08
    Hard to believe we lasted this long. >> Has the TSA come to visit you? Um, just
    8:11
    Has the TSA come to visit you? Um, just
    8:11
    Has the TSA come to visit you? Um, just curious. >> Well, yeah. I might have had a
    8:14
    Well, yeah. I might have had a
    8:14
    Well, yeah. I might have had a conversation with somebody about three hours ago trying to figure out whether or not I'm allowed to bring alcohol like in my luggage to pinball at the beach. Like I was trying to figure that out. It's in February. >> Well, you could buy alcohol at the
    8:27
    Well, you could buy alcohol at the
    8:27
    Well, you could buy alcohol at the airport and >> No, no, no, no, no. Like Tom, I'm
    8:30
    No, no, no, no, no. Like Tom, I'm
    8:30
    No, no, no, no, no. Like Tom, I'm talking like total DJ stuff. Like put it actually luggage and check it in >> and take it. I would
    8:38
    and take it. I would
    8:38
    and take it. I would >> I think you can. I think you're up to
    8:39
    I think you can. I think you're up to
    8:39
    I think you can. I think you're up to five liters. I think you can. >> You can because Okay. I
    8:43
    You can because Okay. I
    8:43
    You can because Okay. I >> I'm not an alcoholic. So,
    8:45
    I'm not an alcoholic. So,
    8:45
    I'm not an alcoholic. So, >> no, I I do know this because though
    8:48
    no, I I do know this because though
    8:48
    no, I I do know this because though we're trying to figure out how to get >> Please write in to loserkidgmail.com.
    8:52
    Please write in to loserkidgmail.com.
    8:52
    Please write in to loserkidgmail.com. Let us know. >> Always has fireball. Ask him.
    8:56
    Always has fireball. Ask him.
    8:56
    Always has fireball. Ask him. >> Okay, here's the bet. Okay, legit guy
    8:58
    Okay, here's the bet. Okay, legit guy
    8:58
    Okay, here's the bet. Okay, legit guy who doesn't drink. I actually have a story because I had a friend Julie who was trying to get me to >> bring some scotch or something. Yeah,
    9:06
    bring some scotch or something. Yeah,
    9:06
    bring some scotch or something. Yeah, Julie. So, I was going to Scotland and she wanted to get some special scotch that was only at the airport. So, we bought it and then we actually had to do it duty-free. But when we got to Chicago, I had to leave the airport and then pack it in my bag and then recheck my bag because they weren't going to let me just keep it going. So, yes, I do know for a fact that you can pack I don't know. It was like two big jugs. I have no idea. It's like 750. Is that what they are? >> There you go.
    9:37
    There you go.
    9:37
    There you go. >> So, you can do that. So that southern
    9:39
    So, you can do that. So that southern
    9:39
    So, you can do that. So that southern comfort you can pack to the beach. >> I totally know what you're talking
    9:43
    I totally know what you're talking
    9:43
    I totally know what you're talking about. Like but for the ones that don't like like Joel like explain like you're five like what does duty-free mean? I totally know what that means. >> You don't pay tax.
    9:52
    You don't pay tax.
    9:52
    You don't pay tax. >> Yeah. It's it's like you are you're kind
    9:54
    Yeah. It's it's like you are you're kind
    9:54
    Yeah. It's it's like you are you're kind of in a >> Well, okay. Because you're flying
    9:58
    Well, okay. Because you're flying
    9:58
    Well, okay. Because you're flying internationally, so you're kind of in this way zone between whatever country you're going from to whatever country you're going to. And so you get like it's like a crazy and small amount of tax. >> Yeah, I totally knew what that I'm just
    10:12
    Yeah, I totally knew what that I'm just
    10:12
    Yeah, I totally knew what that I'm just saying. I think Joel didn't know, so I just had to ask for Joel. >> Thank you so much.
    10:16
    Thank you so much.
    10:16
    Thank you so much. >> I totally knew what that meant.
    10:17
    I totally knew what that meant.
    10:17
    I totally knew what that meant. >> You're so kind.
    10:18
    You're so kind.
    10:18
    You're so kind. >> I didn't know pinball was duty-free
    10:20
    I didn't know pinball was duty-free
    10:20
    I didn't know pinball was duty-free across statewide. >> Apparently,
    10:22
    Apparently,
    10:22
    Apparently, >> you just buy in no man's land.
    10:24
    you just buy in no man's land.
    10:24
    you just buy in no man's land. >> Wait, Stern and all manufacturers should
    10:27
    Wait, Stern and all manufacturers should
    10:27
    Wait, Stern and all manufacturers should set up a pinball shop in the airport. >> You can buy pinball duty-free. That's
    10:33
    You can buy pinball duty-free. That's
    10:33
    You can buy pinball duty-free. That's That's the key. >> Cuz then you can just check it in your
    10:37
    Cuz then you can just check it in your
    10:37
    Cuz then you can just check it in your bag and >> you have to carry it on.
    10:39
    you have to carry it on.
    10:39
    you have to carry it on. >> No, you you have Amazon just send it to
    10:42
    No, you you have Amazon just send it to
    10:42
    No, you you have Amazon just send it to you instead now. That's the That's what you do now, right? >> Did you guys see Okay, speaking of
    10:47
    Did you guys see Okay, speaking of
    10:47
    Did you guys see Okay, speaking of Amazon, did you guys see what somebody posted on one of the uh Facebook uh groups, right, about getting a Venom Pro from Amazon >> already at the price below, but then the
    10:59
    already at the price below, but then the
    10:59
    already at the price below, but then the box had some damage. Did you guys see this? No, I did not. >> Oh, it had some damage. So, they were
    11:05
    Oh, it had some damage. So, they were
    11:05
    Oh, it had some damage. So, they were like, "Oh, I'm going to let Amazon know about this damage box." >> $1,900.
    11:11
    $1,900.
    11:11
    $1,900. Like, refund it. Yes. >> Okay. So, all
    11:15
    Okay. So, all
    11:15
    Okay. So, all >> I bought it for five
    11:17
    I bought it for five
    11:17
    I bought it for five >> and the game was just fine. How much the
    11:19
    and the game was just fine. How much the
    11:20
    and the game was just fine. How much the full post? >> Wow.
    11:21
    Wow.
    11:21
    Wow. >> So, they got $1,900 given. How much did
    11:23
    So, they got $1,900 given. How much did
    11:23
    So, they got $1,900 given. How much did they spend on it? Like, what what >> it was probably like at the $56.99 that
    11:28
    it was probably like at the $56.99 that
    11:28
    it was probably like at the $56.99 that Amazon put up. Like, Amazon was selling was like way below what >> 3,700 bucks. That guy got
    11:36
    3,700 bucks. That guy got
    11:36
    3,700 bucks. That guy got >> Oh, yeah. Jeff Bezos was like, "I got an
    11:39
    Oh, yeah. Jeff Bezos was like, "I got an
    11:39
    Oh, yeah. Jeff Bezos was like, "I got an idea, fellas. Let's just sell pinball." >> Tom, would you buy a Venom Pro for
    11:44
    Tom, would you buy a Venom Pro for
    11:44
    Tom, would you buy a Venom Pro for $3,700? >> Yes.
    11:46
    Yes.
    11:46
    Yes. >> Okay.
    11:47
    Okay.
    11:47
    Okay. >> Tom, would you buy a game from Amazon
    11:50
    Tom, would you buy a game from Amazon
    11:50
    Tom, would you buy a game from Amazon and go out and take a hatchet to the box and claim claim there's damage? >> There's a $1,900 hit,
    11:57
    There's a $1,900 hit,
    11:57
    There's a $1,900 hit, >> right? Yeah. Tommy,
    11:58
    right? Yeah. Tommy,
    11:58
    right? Yeah. Tommy, >> he's an honorable man.
    12:00
    he's an honorable man.
    12:00
    he's an honorable man. >> Yeah. I
    12:01
    Yeah. I
    12:01
    Yeah. I >> I can't do that.
    12:04
    I can't do that.
    12:04
    I can't do that. >> 1,900 bucks.
    12:05
    1,900 bucks.
    12:05
    1,900 bucks. >> I know. Not to derail this, you know,
    12:08
    I know. Not to derail this, you know,
    12:08
    I know. Not to derail this, you know, cuz I don't but I >> No, this is Welcome to the show. Uh, so
    12:13
    No, this is Welcome to the show. Uh, so
    12:13
    No, this is Welcome to the show. Uh, so it's 11 o'clock. I know I know we don't have Tom all night because he's like professional and goes to bed at a reasonable time. >> Um,
    12:19
    Um,
    12:19
    Um, >> this year, Tom, because Josh and Scott
    12:21
    this year, Tom, because Josh and Scott
    12:21
    this year, Tom, because Josh and Scott kind of did their 2025 wrap-up last year. You, Tom, have actually bought two games this year. Is that right? You No, you had three. You had no just two. You had Kong and you had Harry Potter. Have you bought any other game from 2025 this year? X-Men. X-Men. No, that's not this year. Was that this year? No, it was last year. Last year. Okay. >> Wick.
    12:44
    Wick.
    12:44
    Wick. >> No, that was last year. Last year.
    12:46
    No, that was last year. Last year.
    12:46
    No, that was last year. Last year. >> Is that That's it though. Out of the
    12:48
    Is that That's it though. Out of the
    12:48
    Is that That's it though. Out of the top. >> What were the other games?
    12:52
    What were the other games?
    12:52
    What were the other games? >> Josh's other ones were Well, you've
    12:54
    Josh's other ones were Well, you've
    12:54
    Josh's other ones were Well, you've bought Winchester, but you don't have yours yet, >> right? Dune, Portal,
    12:59
    right? Dune, Portal,
    12:59
    right? Dune, Portal, um, song. Technically Jaws 50th, >> but you already have Jaws.
    13:06
    but you already have Jaws.
    13:06
    but you already have Jaws. >> So, I'm just curious between Evil Dead.
    13:09
    So, I'm just curious between Evil Dead.
    13:09
    So, I'm just curious between Evil Dead. >> I bought Star Wars. Uh,
    13:11
    I bought Star Wars. Uh,
    13:11
    I bought Star Wars. Uh, >> Star Wars. There we go. Three. Okay. So,
    13:14
    Star Wars. There we go. Three. Okay. So,
    13:14
    Star Wars. There we go. Three. Okay. So, between those top >> What about Dungeons and Dragons?
    13:16
    What about Dungeons and Dragons?
    13:16
    What about Dungeons and Dragons? >> Yeah, I bought that, but I don't have it
    13:18
    Yeah, I bought that, but I don't have it
    13:18
    Yeah, I bought that, but I don't have it anymore. >> Well, let's include that in your in your
    13:21
    Well, let's include that in your in your
    13:21
    Well, let's include that in your in your list. And so, you've you've owned four games from 2025. Do you want to go ahead and rank those? >> No.
    13:30
    No.
    13:30
    No. >> All of that.
    13:31
    All of that.
    13:31
    All of that. >> Wow. Thanks for tuning in to the show,
    13:33
    Wow. Thanks for tuning in to the show,
    13:33
    Wow. Thanks for tuning in to the show, guys. It's been riveting. >> Where's the Where's the bed?
    13:37
    Where's the Where's the bed?
    13:38
    Where's the Where's the bed? >> Tom's going to bed.
    13:39
    Tom's going to bed.
    13:39
    Tom's going to bed. >> All right. What am I ranking? The games
    13:41
    All right. What am I ranking? The games
    13:41
    All right. What am I ranking? The games I bought. >> You're ranking top.
    13:43
    You're ranking top.
    13:43
    You're ranking top. >> Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Kong.
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    Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Kong.
    13:47
    Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Kong. >> What were the other two?
    13:48
    What were the other two?
    13:48
    What were the other two? >> Dn D.
    13:50
    Dn D.
    13:50
    Dn D. Star Wars. D. >> Wait, Tom. I thought you got a Harry
    13:53
    Wait, Tom. I thought you got a Harry
    13:53
    Wait, Tom. I thought you got a Harry Potter. Wait, did you say that? >> Was number one.
    13:56
    Was number one.
    13:56
    Was number one. >> What? What's given this Harry Potter
    13:57
    What? What's given this Harry Potter
    13:57
    What? What's given this Harry Potter tonight? >> Harry Potter is your game of the year in
    14:00
    Harry Potter is your game of the year in
    14:00
    Harry Potter is your game of the year in your collection. >> And that was my game of the year. See
    14:02
    And that was my game of the year. See
    14:02
    And that was my game of the year. See Josh, you're wrong. Harry Potter game of the year. >> I tick tock 50,000, baby. It doesn't
    14:08
    I tick tock 50,000, baby. It doesn't
    14:08
    I tick tock 50,000, baby. It doesn't lie. >> Joe Mama says, "You talk too
    14:10
    Joe Mama says, "You talk too
    14:10
    Joe Mama says, "You talk too passionately about that. You talk more passionately about that game about his children than I do about my kids." Yeah. It was It was awesome. Yeah. So Tom, you did not you had not bought Avatar, but before that you did buy Godfather. >> Yeah.
    14:28
    Yeah.
    14:28
    Yeah. >> So I'm just trying to think in the realm
    14:29
    So I'm just trying to think in the realm
    14:29
    So I'm just trying to think in the realm of JJ >> too.
    14:31
    too.
    14:31
    too. >> Elton John, you you got Elton John used?
    14:33
    Elton John, you you got Elton John used?
    14:33
    Elton John, you you got Elton John used? >> No, I bought it new.
    14:35
    No, I bought it new.
    14:35
    No, I bought it new. >> Oh, you have that now?
    14:37
    Oh, you have that now?
    14:37
    Oh, you have that now? >> Mhm.
    14:38
    Mhm.
    14:38
    Mhm. >> Would you say Harry Potter is JJP's best
    14:40
    Would you say Harry Potter is JJP's best
    14:40
    Would you say Harry Potter is JJP's best game or no? >> Uh I mean I I like it probably the best.
    14:47
    Uh I mean I I like it probably the best.
    14:47
    Uh I mean I I like it probably the best. Elton John's pretty close. >> That's pretty good. Is there uh what
    14:50
    That's pretty good. Is there uh what
    14:50
    That's pretty good. Is there uh what stands out? We've talked I know on Triple Drain we talked a lot about Harry Potter and initially it was just thoughts of code things we'd like to see but now that the code >> user kid podcast
    15:00
    user kid podcast
    15:00
    user kid podcast >> I know but I'm just trying to get the
    15:02
    I know but I'm just trying to get the
    15:02
    I know but I'm just trying to get the most of Tom Graph while we have you >> and you are the only one of the five of
    15:06
    and you are the only one of the five of
    15:06
    and you are the only one of the five of us that own Harry Potter. >> True.
    15:10
    True.
    15:10
    True. >> So I'm just trying to pick that mind of
    15:11
    So I'm just trying to pick that mind of
    15:11
    So I'm just trying to pick that mind of yours to see why it's your game of the year. That's all I'm doing. uh theme immersion. I I I like how they they did uh they took all the movies and made sure they did the best with what they could with with that. I like the uh the spinning u >> staircase
    15:32
    staircase
    15:32
    staircase >> staircase. Yeah,
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    staircase. Yeah,
    15:34
    staircase. Yeah, >> it's it's all good. Joel,
    15:37
    it's it's all good. Joel,
    15:37
    it's it's all good. Joel, >> the real question playfield. Yeah.
    15:39
    the real question playfield. Yeah.
    15:39
    the real question playfield. Yeah. >> Yeah, the mini playfield's great.
    15:41
    Yeah, the mini playfield's great.
    15:41
    Yeah, the mini playfield's great. >> That quiddage playfield. Who?
    15:43
    That quiddage playfield. Who?
    15:43
    That quiddage playfield. Who? >> Who did you pay to get a Harry Potter
    15:46
    Who did you pay to get a Harry Potter
    15:46
    Who did you pay to get a Harry Potter this year? Cuz no one else is getting them till like >> April of next.
    15:50
    April of next.
    15:50
    April of next. >> I didn't pay anybody off.
    15:53
    I didn't pay anybody off.
    15:53
    I didn't pay anybody off. >> Okay. But you order in early, right?
    15:55
    Okay. But you order in early, right?
    15:55
    Okay. But you order in early, right? >> I I You ordered early?
    15:57
    I I You ordered early?
    15:57
    I I You ordered early? >> No. Uh I'm I'm affiliated with Kingpin
    16:00
    No. Uh I'm I'm affiliated with Kingpin
    16:00
    No. Uh I'm I'm affiliated with Kingpin Games, so >> nice.
    16:01
    nice.
    16:01
    nice. >> I I was able to secure that through
    16:04
    I I was able to secure that through
    16:04
    I I was able to secure that through them. So, >> And you have the collector's edition or
    16:08
    And you have the collector's edition or
    16:08
    And you have the collector's edition or the Wizards edition? I have the Wizards edition. >> Cool. Cool. Oh,
    16:14
    Cool. Cool. Oh,
    16:14
    Cool. Cool. Oh, >> I will tell you, Tom, I mean, I've been
    16:17
    I will tell you, Tom, I mean, I've been
    16:17
    I will tell you, Tom, I mean, I've been mentally going through my headsp space because I listen to Josh and Scott. I listen to your episode, your last one, and listen to your top fives. You got great great reasonings for all your stuff. So, I started playing that game in my head. >> And um the reality is I don't know if
    16:29
    And um the reality is I don't know if
    16:29
    And um the reality is I don't know if I've given Harry Potter enough credit because to hear Scott the way you loved it so much. >> You haven't.
    16:35
    You haven't.
    16:35
    You haven't. >> I Well, that's what I'm saying. I I
    16:36
    I Well, that's what I'm saying. I I
    16:36
    I Well, that's what I'm saying. I I think I'm what I may I might have. Uh, I mean to be honest, I really had high hopes for it because Harry Potter's like my wife's dream theme. So, I was expecting her to love it. I was expecting if she loves it, I probably have to buy it. And she just she didn't like she didn't love it the way I was thinking. >> She did not like the scoop.
    16:53
    She did not like the scoop.
    16:53
    She did not like the scoop. >> So, I just kind of dismissed it. But
    16:55
    So, I just kind of dismissed it. But
    16:55
    So, I just kind of dismissed it. But when I replay it and now I've even watched some streams recently and it's one of those honestly I kind of want to get it back to stream some more because I think I just I maybe I I let emotions get in the way because I think honestly that game's pretty dang good. That game is >> it shoots
    17:10
    it shoots
    17:10
    it shoots >> really good.
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    really good.
    17:12
    really good. >> Really nice.
    17:13
    Really nice.
    17:13
    Really nice. >> So Tom has a lot of time on it. I've had
    17:14
    So Tom has a lot of time on it. I've had
    17:14
    So Tom has a lot of time on it. I've had a lot of time on it. But I realized Scott and Josh, you guys only had technically a handful of games. So in those few games like something stood out, right? >> Yeah. My neighbor actually has one. So
    17:23
    Yeah. My neighbor actually has one. So
    17:23
    Yeah. My neighbor actually has one. So he has a collector's edition. But I okay I haven't played it a lot just because we're quite busy and I have to go over to his house. >> But just the way that it's engineered it
    17:32
    But just the way that it's engineered it
    17:32
    But just the way that it's engineered it okay it's not a baby game >> like you you you have to actually
    17:37
    like you you you have to actually
    17:37
    like you you you have to actually >> uh know some things to really get into
    17:39
    uh know some things to really get into
    17:39
    uh know some things to really get into pinball which is probably why it was a little challenging for your wife to immediately jump in >> because you have to know how basic
    17:47
    because you have to know how basic
    17:48
    because you have to know how basic flipper skills and basic shot patterns for you to really take advantage of the game. So, I I think that's the challenge with Harry Potter is that it is not catering to the entrylevel player. If you did, you would have something like Medieval Madness. I My kids love Medieval Madness. They love Cactus Canyon. They love these these games that are super easy to access. Well, Harry Potter is not bad. Harry Potter is a very deep immersive experience that has so many shot patterns. You have to know a little bit of what's going on. I if if you're going to give it a penalty at all is that it's not going to be a simple fan layout that is easy to understand. Now, that being said, I I love that this has lastability. There's a lot of fan layouts that just aren't going to stand the test of time. And if if Harry Potter defaulted to a basic fan layout with uh eight to nine shots and a couple ramps, I don't think that I would I would like it nearly as much. That was the exact essentially the exact feedback my wife had which she said uh when I'm playing the game I feel like I'm in Harry Potter. Check. Great. But she goes I have no idea what's going on though. Like no idea what it's going on or what like that's the uh her level of play. She really needs a simplistic understanding of I mean I'm not to be a broken record but that's why she loved Dune because Dune's light show is very good at only really portraying what you need to do at that moment. There's not all the lights all at once. And that's the that was her biggest issue with Harry Potter was she's like, I know I'm I'm in Harry Potter. It feels like Harry Potter, but she has no idea if she's hitting mode shots, multi. She just doesn't she's really just batting the ball around. And that that was why it was hard to her for her to connect to it. But for collectors like the Five of Us, yeah, that game has legs for sure. The longevity and how much they pack to that game. Super impressive. >> Okay. But if you think about the stories
    19:40
    Okay. But if you think about the stories
    19:40
    Okay. But if you think about the stories though, like Harry Potter, like the books, if you line them all the way up, that is an enormous volume of information that you have to get through. And so the the real Harry Potter fans, they're not the casual readers. They're not the people who want to pick up a book and be done with it in 5 hours. Like, they are going for that immersive experience. And so you're gonna have to immerse yourself a little bit into flipper skills, into knowing the rule set to really get into the Harry Potter game because that that is what is required for you to experience the game. if if they had, you know, this is actually one area where JJP could consider something like a like a homepin, like a Costco homepin version of Harry Potter because it would sell tons, like a a a dumbed down version of that. If you're going to consider doing something like that, this theme would warrant it because it would be easy to access it. But uh with the way that Eric designed this game, it is definitely catered for at least the mid-level player and higher. >> Yeah, but hinting at what Josh was
    20:49
    Yeah, but hinting at what Josh was
    20:49
    Yeah, but hinting at what Josh was saying, does JJP really need to worry about sales right now? Like they've sold so many games, they just need to get them made, right? Like is the I don't know. I I don't I would be amazed I would be surprised if JJP's thinking what's the next thing on the line because I'm I'm getting the vibe that their line's going to be busy for a long time. Maybe I'm totally wrong there. I mean, obviously they do. >> I personally I personally I'm excited
    21:09
    I personally I personally I'm excited
    21:09
    I personally I personally I'm excited because uh they've made so many of these and looking at their bestselling game, Guns and Roses, I can get one of these for five grand here in a couple way I I don't think that's going to happen. But it is the lessons that JJP are going to learn from Harry Potter. Um well, sorry, the lessons they've learned from Guns and Roses is you can't just ride one horse until it it stops. And that's a little bit what they did with Guns and Roses. They they kept pushing that until that was the only option and then they had to move on. This is the first time that JJP, well, not really the first time because Wizard of Oz was that way where they were able to to mix in some Wizard of Oz runs. Harry Potter is something that they could legitimately be making for seven to 10 years and release a new game, run, you know, run a few weeks of the new game, swap back, run Harry Potter, and it gives them a catalog of of options that they're going to do. So, they aren't relying on just selling one game. >> All right. Well, we know we know Jersey
    22:11
    All right. Well, we know we know Jersey
    22:11
    All right. Well, we know we know Jersey Jack isn't exactly like the powerhouse that Stern is in manufacturing, though. So, know that's that's that's the big issue. They might be making it for 7 to 10 years, but they're not getting as much product out >> well as they could. The thing to compare
    22:29
    well as they could. The thing to compare
    22:29
    well as they could. The thing to compare that to, right, is is Gomez was just on Carrie Hardy's show and Gomez essentially alluded to the fact that Godzilla is a is a is very soon going to be the most sold pinball machine of all time. So, I think that's Adam's family. It's 20some thousand games. So to say that Godzilla has sold 20some thousand games or going to be there very very soon like that really does show one how great Godzilla is and two how many games Stern can put out because it's not like Stern has only been making Godzilla for all these years. It's they just they just keep coming back to it and and I know distributors can't keep them in stock. Godzilla premiums just keep selling. Um, if only somebody here on this podcast knew something about selling pinball machines and would want to contribute to the conversation. >> They don't want to hear you talk about
    23:17
    They don't want to hear you talk about
    23:17
    They don't want to hear you talk about Harry Potter. They want to know the sales of Godzilla. Come watch. >> No, it's fine. I'm just listening. I'm
    23:22
    No, it's fine. I'm just listening. I'm
    23:22
    No, it's fine. I'm just listening. I'm having fun listening. This is like I'm listening to the podcast already. I just happen to accidentally be in it. It's like 4D. >> But uh,
    23:29
    But uh,
    23:29
    But uh, >> how many birds in are you now?
    23:31
    how many birds in are you now?
    23:31
    how many birds in are you now? >> Like,
    23:32
    Like,
    23:32
    Like, >> welcome to my world, Travis.
    23:33
    welcome to my world, Travis.
    23:33
    welcome to my world, Travis. >> Three and a half. Three and a half. It's
    23:35
    Three and a half. Three and a half. It's
    23:35
    Three and a half. Three and a half. It's fine. But no, I think Harry Potter is a great game. I think we've talked about this a lot. I love the layout of it. I'm still trying to understand the rules in general, but I'm accepting of what the rules are. So, for me, whenever I play it, I honestly I just shut my brain off completely, which I know some people out there, especially Joel, be like, "Oh, that's not too hard for you to do." >> I would never have said that.
    23:59
    I would never have said that.
    23:59
    I would never have said that. >> Super easy. Yeah, I know.
    24:00
    Super easy. Yeah, I know.
    24:00
    Super easy. Yeah, I know. >> Hadn't even thought of it.
    24:02
    Hadn't even thought of it.
    24:02
    Hadn't even thought of it. >> I'm sure you haven't. Anyhow, so I shut
    24:04
    I'm sure you haven't. Anyhow, so I shut
    24:04
    I'm sure you haven't. Anyhow, so I shut my brain off and I just don't worry about the lessons, but I focus on everything else. And there's still a lot of meat to that bone, right? It's and it is immersive. It does feel like you're actually in Harry Potter that way. It's just for me personally, I do wish still that I could enjoy the movies themselves a little bit more. And I'm not even worried about it being in chronological order, right? Because there's so much content. It just kind of is what it is. But I do wish I would be able to experience certain just the way the lessons are to where I would know, okay, I'm in this area now. I'm in this area instead of it just always feeling like I'm trying to race to a multiball and just stack things up and make everything happen. And I think it's kind of like one of those things that I'm not sure I I've thought about this a lot. I wouldn't mind having one for my house. And I think what I would personally do if I had one here is I would actually try to set the multiballs to be as hard as possible in terms of qualifying and starting them just so that way I could try to focus more on the lessons and not accidentally start anything else since you're kind of forced to to go around the playfield anyways. So I don't know. >> They do they do have like a feature on
    25:17
    They do they do have like a feature on
    25:17
    They do they do have like a feature on the screen where there's like a QR code where you can pick three different things but >> Right. Yeah. And the QR code, easy,
    25:26
    Right. Yeah. And the QR code, easy,
    25:26
    Right. Yeah. And the QR code, easy, average, and hard. So So really for for Travis, you would just set it on the super hard level. >> I mean, for your ability. Yeah.
    25:38
    I mean, for your ability. Yeah.
    25:38
    I mean, for your ability. Yeah. >> So it's kind of weird. It's like if I
    25:40
    So it's kind of weird. It's like if I
    25:40
    So it's kind of weird. It's like if I have a game at home, I want to enjoy it. I want to get through it. I don't worry about score too much unless I'm in a tournament, then I'm trying to figure out the easiest path to points, right? But if I'm playing at home, I want to get to a wizard mode and I don't really care about the points unless I need to get to a certain threshold like say Iron Maiden, you have to get to a certain threshold within your modes or like Flight of Icarus on there, right? You have to get I think it's like 20 million points in order to light the uh the Soul Shard. So, there's some games out there to where you do have to focus a little bit and hit those thresholds. But ideally, I just want to go on a journey when I'm at the house. Like, I want to have a beer. I want to stand in front of the game >> and I want to just like hear the music,
    26:19
    and I want to just like hear the music,
    26:20
    and I want to just like hear the music, hear the call outs cuz it's a controlled environment. I want to enjoy it and I feel like Harry Potter could definitely hit >> all or tick all those boxes off or check
    26:29
    all or tick all those boxes off or check
    26:29
    all or tick all those boxes off or check all those boxes. So, I mean in the future I wouldn't mind having it. So, Monica, if you listen to this, I mean I'm just saying you know Christmas next year >> maybe. Just saying. But I mean overall I
    26:40
    maybe. Just saying. But I mean overall I
    26:40
    maybe. Just saying. But I mean overall I could fully understand why people would put that as their number one. And I think I mean maybe if I had more time on it, it could be up there. I mean, it's up there pretty high for me. I mean, it's definitely top three at least. And >> what's above it, Travis?
    26:54
    what's above it, Travis?
    26:54
    what's above it, Travis? >> What's that?
    26:55
    What's that?
    26:55
    What's that? >> What's above it?
    26:58
    What's above it?
    26:58
    What's above it? >> I don't even know.
    26:59
    I don't even know.
    26:59
    I don't even know. >> See how Joel is?
    27:00
    See how Joel is?
    27:00
    See how Joel is? >> I don't even know.
    27:02
    I don't even know.
    27:02
    I don't even know. >> Asking me questions.
    27:03
    Asking me questions.
    27:03
    Asking me questions. >> I do, Tom. He's Yeah, I know. He's
    27:06
    I do, Tom. He's Yeah, I know. He's
    27:06
    I do, Tom. He's Yeah, I know. He's trying to put me on the spot. He's trying to Joel. Okay, I'll tell you the two games above it right now, Venom and Walking Dead remastered there. Number two, number one. >> And if you like either one of those,
    27:18
    And if you like either one of those,
    27:18
    And if you like either one of those, >> demo company's got them in stock, ready
    27:20
    demo company's got them in stock, ready
    27:20
    demo company's got them in stock, ready to go. >> Travis will personally truck it out to
    27:24
    Travis will personally truck it out to
    27:24
    Travis will personally truck it out to the truck for you. >> Yeah,
    27:26
    Yeah,
    27:26
    Yeah, >> we'll send box. Yeah, we'll do it all.
    27:30
    we'll send box. Yeah, we'll do it all.
    27:30
    we'll send box. Yeah, we'll do it all. But no, I I think I think Harry Potter is a good example of what happens when everything goes right for a company to get this game out, right? So that being like we don't know what happened behind the scenes with it. But what I'm saying is in terms of a passion put into the game in terms of just nice looking art, a great layout, a great theme, a company that obviously wants to put as much into their game as possible. They're willing to put a lot of money into it. So that right there, I mean, that's great for pinball fans. I don't think anybody out there could argue that it's that's not. And I mean, even besides that, if you look at every other manufacturer that's out there, this is a great time to be a pinball fan. It it really is cuz I think nearly everybody's clicking on all the cylinders, I would think, right? I mean, Spooky, what did they come out with this year? >> Evil Dead.
    28:26
    Evil Dead.
    28:26
    Evil Dead. >> Evil Dead. And then what's their newest
    28:28
    Evil Dead. And then what's their newest
    28:28
    Evil Dead. And then what's their newest game? >> Beetlejuice.
    28:30
    Beetlejuice.
    28:30
    Beetlejuice. >> Beetleju. But
    28:31
    Beetleju. But
    28:31
    Beetleju. But >> we haven't It's not yet. That's a 2026
    28:34
    we haven't It's not yet. That's a 2026
    28:34
    we haven't It's not yet. That's a 2026 thing. >> What do you mean Beetlejuice butt? Like
    28:37
    What do you mean Beetlejuice butt? Like
    28:37
    What do you mean Beetlejuice butt? Like Joel, why it's not out yet? They say Beetlejuice. >> I'm not It's not I It's not out yet,
    28:43
    I'm not It's not I It's not out yet,
    28:43
    I'm not It's not I It's not out yet, >> right? But But is it sold out? Can you
    28:45
    right? But But is it sold out? Can you
    28:45
    right? But But is it sold out? Can you find one? >> Okay. Yeah.
    28:47
    Okay. Yeah.
    28:47
    Okay. Yeah. >> It is. I get it.
    28:49
    It is. I get it.
    28:49
    It is. I get it. >> So, from a sales standpoint,
    28:52
    So, from a sales standpoint,
    28:52
    So, from a sales standpoint, >> Well, no. So, Well, not just that, but
    28:54
    Well, no. So, Well, not just that, but
    28:54
    Well, no. So, Well, not just that, but I'm saying like as pinball fans, the fact that everybody's going nuts and buying a game, like selling it out before it's even revealed, >> it's good.
    29:04
    it's good.
    29:04
    it's good. >> And this is in a down market, right? If
    29:07
    And this is in a down market, right? If
    29:07
    And this is in a down market, right? If you if you look at pinside or Facebook, people talk about how the market's tanking. It's this and that. Yet we have a machine selling out sight unseen. Yet we have Harry Potter crushing things. Yet we have Godzilla about to set a record for the biggest selling game of all time. >> Winchester sold out Winchester right
    29:25
    Winchester sold out Winchester right
    29:25
    Winchester sold out Winchester right here. >> The banner to my uh to my right.
    29:28
    The banner to my uh to my right.
    29:28
    The banner to my uh to my right. >> Exactly. Exactly.
    29:31
    Exactly. Exactly.
    29:31
    Exactly. Exactly. >> It's It's been an amazing year. I know.
    29:33
    It's It's been an amazing year. I know.
    29:33
    It's It's been an amazing year. I know. Um, you know, I know Stern, um, one of what I've learned is like an amazing seller for Stern, like Jaws 50th has been, uh, has crushed. Like that's a game that technically is not >> that model is new this year, but it's
    29:47
    that model is new this year, but it's
    29:47
    that model is new this year, but it's just like I I have no doubt. I I don't know exactly what Gomez said, but it's the production is like they have they are producing a lot of games this year. So with your down market, Travis, but yet the production and the sales are good. >> Yeah. I so I got a theory on this and
    30:03
    Yeah. I so I got a theory on this and
    30:03
    Yeah. I so I got a theory on this and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong if you think it's different but like so obviously it's like some sales are up some sales are down but I truly believe it's more or less because there's just so many dealers out there now so many distributors out there now and so much being produced it's easy to think that whatever's coming out has been diluted I guess is the right word to say because you can't just have infinite allocation across the board Right? Otherwise, the five of us yo-yos would all have our own pinball companies and we'd all be multi-millionaires because we'd sell like 5,000 a year. But that's just not reality. So, you know, I often wonder if pinball is actually really well off. It just happens to be the distribution network of pinball is just so vast that maybe it outgrew the amount of people that are willing to buy pinball during that time frame. That's kind of what I think happens because obviously if we don't have say like just throwing out a random random number if we don't have say 30 dealers out there right or distributors and all that all that product becomes compressed down to everybody else like are we really talking about a down year? You know it's just it's just so many different so many different themes out there. Are you saying it's so it's been a it's been a great year for manufacturers, but it may not necessarily be a great year for distributors. Is that what you're hinting at? >> I mean, because there's just so many
    31:36
    I mean, because there's just so many
    31:36
    I mean, because there's just so many there's so many around, right? Like I don't know how it is downstream. Like I know for us personally, like we're happy where we're at. Like I know there's probably sever several other distributors that are happy where they're at. But I know there's probably some that may not be just because if there are so many games being produced, you can't just have infinite allocation. It's got to spread around. But if you're all fighting for the same piece of the pie, too. >> Like, how does that how does that work?
    32:01
    Like, how does that how does that work?
    32:01
    Like, how does that how does that work? You know, I don't know. I'm just trying to math it out in my head. What do you guys think? I have no because there's so many great games being produced. >> That's the thing, Mike.
    32:09
    That's the thing, Mike.
    32:09
    That's the thing, Mike. There's there is no shortage of quality product out there. There are a lot of great games. And I know at least at least the games that we've mentioned, you know what, Evil Dead, Star Wars, Dn D, uh >> unless you wanted an Evil Dead or a
    32:26
    unless you wanted an Evil Dead or a
    32:26
    unless you wanted an Evil Dead or a Winchester and didn't >> Winchester. Yeah. But yeah, Winchester.
    32:30
    Winchester. Yeah. But yeah, Winchester.
    32:30
    Winchester. Yeah. But yeah, Winchester. Like there's a ton portal. Like I almost feel like every company has released just a banger this year. And if you just happen to like we've talked Winchester is an incredible game and unfortunately Tom's the only person on this podcast that was smart enough to buy one. So if the other four of us wanted five is that you're doing we're getting one. >> The pinball company has one. Yes. But if
    32:52
    The pinball company has one. Yes. But if
    32:52
    The pinball company has one. Yes. But if we all of a sudden we wanted one, me, Scott, and Josh, we're out of luck. >> We pay Well, we pay a premium.
    32:57
    We pay Well, we pay a premium.
    32:57
    We pay Well, we pay a premium. >> Buy it from me for $25,000. I'll be more
    33:00
    Buy it from me for $25,000. I'll be more
    33:00
    Buy it from me for $25,000. I'll be more than happy to give it to you. I'll have sign it for you, too. I can't get an evil debt if I want one either. >> But that's what I'm saying is there if
    33:07
    But that's what I'm saying is there if
    33:07
    But that's what I'm saying is there if if you're in that situation where you're like, I can't get that. Luckily, there's some other really great options. It's not like you struck off the whole year. >> You're not locked out is what you're
    33:16
    You're not locked out is what you're
    33:16
    You're not locked out is what you're saying. >> Oh, yeah. I have a theory, but I want
    33:19
    Oh, yeah. I have a theory, but I want
    33:19
    Oh, yeah. I have a theory, but I want Josh I want Josh to give his take >> on on what now?
    33:25
    on on what now?
    33:25
    on on what now? >> Welcome to the conversation. Uh the K
    33:28
    Welcome to the conversation. Uh the K
    33:28
    Welcome to the conversation. Uh the K dude, you do our market trends. This is exactly what we're talking about. we're talking about is it a downyear for pinball. Travis's thought was no, it's just because the distributor pool seems to be bigger and so it may feel a little bit uh it may feel a little depressed for each individual distributor, but really for us there are a lot of great options out there and if you don't hit the the one banger game that you like, there's like four or five other banger games out there. But I mean, so Josh, do do you feel this is like a down year on on in pinball at all? I I don't think it is, but I have my own theory. >> I need to give a disclaimer. The numbers
    34:08
    I need to give a disclaimer. The numbers
    34:08
    I need to give a disclaimer. The numbers I deal with are used numbers. I don't have access to dealer numbers and distributor numbers. And this is a question that gets brought up a lot, like, well, what's selling from the distributors? I have a clue. Those are private numbers to those companies. >> And then if they want to share them,
    34:24
    And then if they want to share them,
    34:24
    And then if they want to share them, awesome. But I I'm not going to go around. Yes, Travis. I mean, I'll tell you right now during Christmas time everything pretty much like >> oh well everything sells like people
    34:34
    oh well everything sells like people
    34:34
    oh well everything sells like people want games but I think I think if you're doing used games I think it is good to kind of see does it go up does it go down >> and I think it's going to be very hard
    34:43
    and I think it's going to be very hard
    34:43
    and I think it's going to be very hard nowadays to say any stern pinball machine goes up because they have to produce so much volume. I think it's the same way like you mentioned Guns and Roses earlier in Harry Potter. There's going to be so much volume with Harry Potter. I think yes, I fully agree. Within the next few years, we will see those prices come down on used games because there's going to be a lot. Now, Evil Dead, Bee Juice, Winchester, games like that, >> Walking Dead remastered.
    35:10
    Walking Dead remastered.
    35:10
    Walking Dead remastered. >> Well, besides that, Tom graph,
    35:13
    Well, besides that, Tom graph,
    35:13
    Well, besides that, Tom graph, >> there was only 500 LE's.
    35:15
    there was only 500 LE's.
    35:15
    there was only 500 LE's. >> But those other three games, you I think
    35:17
    But those other three games, you I think
    35:17
    But those other three games, you I think you're going to see the prices stay steady, if not continue up. Like I've heard of I've heard of somebody that paid7,500 >> over MSRP for their Beetlejuice.
    35:27
    over MSRP for their Beetlejuice.
    35:27
    over MSRP for their Beetlejuice. >> Like that is realistic. That's what
    35:30
    Like that is realistic. That's what
    35:30
    Like that is realistic. That's what happened. >> Yep.
    35:31
    Yep.
    35:31
    Yep. >> So I mean,
    35:33
    So I mean,
    35:33
    So I mean, >> you know, so back to your question
    35:35
    you know, so back to your question
    35:35
    you know, so back to your question though, like the used market itself, the actual numbers of games that are selling used is less and less year-over-year. We've been in a downtrend for at least two years now, but the prices, most of the prices have went down, but like Travis has alluded to, certain games like Evil Dead, Champion Pub, for some odd reason, like obviously those the the bangers from the '9s, your your Medieval Madness, your Attack for Mars, your Circus Ferrors, they're all either staying steady or they're going up. So I think it comes back to that whole idea of like people are being more picky with what they want to buy and if it is limited in number like Winchester like Evil Dead like a true limited right like um it's going to either retain its value or go up because it's proven to be a really good game up front and so that that will proceed to keep going forward. Now Walking Dead Ellie I I I haven't a clue especially where they they haven't sold all 500. So, >> let me ask this let me ask this question
    36:33
    let me ask this let me ask this question
    36:33
    let me ask this let me ask this question to the to the group here. Um, if you were if if you were a person that just happened to click on the right ad and all of a sudden rediscovered pinball, is this was is 2025 a good year for somebody to get into pinball? >> I've got this answer.
    36:50
    I've got this answer.
    36:50
    I've got this answer. >> Okay, Josh, go.
    36:52
    Okay, Josh, go.
    36:52
    Okay, Josh, go. >> Okay, this is what's insane to me. So,
    36:54
    Okay, this is what's insane to me. So,
    36:54
    Okay, this is what's insane to me. So, last week I've alluded to this already. last week. Well, as Joel had said, we did our top five of 25, right? >> And I clipped the episode the like every
    37:05
    And I clipped the episode the like every
    37:05
    And I clipped the episode the like every blah blah blah and Scott's number one was Harry Potter and it went viral on TikTok. Like we hit 50,000 views in like two days or something like that. It was nuts. Two, three days. But the comments is what was blowing my mind because people are like, "No, Medieval Madness is the best. No, Champion Pub's the best. No. Um, South Park is the best. All these the best games were from the 90s and there was multiple people saying like there was one that said like um I don't know how I stumbled into pinball fandom but I'm loving this. So, it's crazy because I feel like Harry Potter, at least for us with what we did, it broke through the pinball enthusiast wall and somehow went into the general audience, like just out there. And yes, I think this has been a fantastic >> It's one of the biggest themes that
    37:58
    It's one of the biggest themes that
    37:58
    It's one of the biggest themes that Pinball's ever had. >> It combination a monster theme.
    38:02
    It combination a monster theme.
    38:02
    It combination a monster theme. >> It's a great design.
    38:04
    It's a great design.
    38:04
    It's a great design. >> It's a a high quality product.
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    It's a a high quality product.
    38:07
    It's a a high quality product. And you you have all those things together that are producing Harry Potter because it is really what people wanted. People want the high uh the highlevel uh product of Harry Potter. They don't want like a you like a homepin version of it. They don't want a Costco version. They want an in-depth version of it. And if you look at the video, it is so great how many different options there are. And if you even look at the the tree, like that tree, even Eric was talking about how complex that tree is to make just so it it moves up and down with the car and like the bra the branches wave. It's it's a highle achievement. And so part of it is the visualization of the such a great pinball machine that breaks through. But I'm going to circle around a little bit because what Josh was saying is the used market is a little depressed. Okay, here's the question. Why why does a used market depress? And I'll give you the hint. In the '9s, which games were the expensive ones to buy? They were the used ones because the new games weren't that good. And so what was happening is people are like, "Well, I I I I've gone over this before in the 2000s. I can name like four games that I'd really like to own." And two of them I do, like, you know, Pirates of the Caribbean's great. Uh Simpsons Pinball Party is great. Um uh Lord of the Rings is great. And I think there was like one like Okay, but that's a whole decade. Okay, this year we have five games that I would legit buy. And so if people are like, well, I can sell my old game because I want to buy the new one. Well, a lot of people are doing that. And so the prices are dropping because people are saying, hey, I want to sell I want to sell this game because I want the new hot game. Now, they will equilibrate over time, but that is that is a side effect of how effective the the manufacturers have been this year at producing a product that people want to pay sticker price for. >> Well, yeah. And I know I know Zach with
    40:16
    Well, yeah. And I know I know Zach with
    40:16
    Well, yeah. And I know I know Zach with flipping out, he's had great success this year with tradeins. I mean, the g the two games I streamed the last two weeks, I got a Bond I got a Bond Lie sitting right here and a Hobbit sitting right here. Those games were both traded in and it's all people trading in trying to get the new thing. The reason I had asked the question of is this a good year to get into pinball. If I look at the current pinside top five, number one, this was a change today. I don't know if you guys were aware of it, but uh the new number one, the new number one is Jaws. The new number one on pinside right now is Jaws. Jaws, Godzilla, Harry Potter, Medieval Madness, Evil Dead >> by a wide margin, too. Yes,
    40:50
    by a wide margin, too. Yes,
    40:50
    by a wide margin, too. Yes, >> it's not close. Yeah.
    40:51
    it's not close. Yeah.
    40:51
    it's not close. Yeah. >> So, the question is, if somebody's new
    40:53
    So, the question is, if somebody's new
    40:54
    So, the question is, if somebody's new to pinball and they see whatever they see the hot thing people are talking about is Beetlejuice, you can't buy one. If they see the hot thing is Winchester, can't buy one. If they see, oh, I want to get a Harry Potter, you call up a dealer, they're going to be like, you're going to be waiting a while. Medieval Madness Merlin, they're like, oh, those went for sale. I'll get that one. Sold out. Godzillaas are I mean they're coming but yet I know of multiple distributors that are sold out. Jaws get in on the Jaws 50th now. Get in on it now because within the next few weeks that's that list is closed. So I'm just I'm just curious if and then on and then the other side of that is the used market. The prices are still high. At least when I entered the hobby like used games were cheap. That was a way to get into the hobby, buy them broken, fix them up, stuff like that. I don't I'm just curious like we're not the five of us aren't in that position. We've been in this hobby for years. I'm just trying to think of of the new people to all this that have rediscovered pinball and are they do they feel like they're behind in a way as in like, oh, I missed out. I didn't know that I had to build a relationship with a distributor and get on their list. I didn't know we need to think ahead before these games are revealed. Or no, Travis is shaking his head. >> No. Well, so we're t we're talking about
    42:08
    No. Well, so we're t we're talking about
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    No. Well, so we're t we're talking about two different things. And I think one thing that cuz I know like I don't want to toot our own our own horns, but I know pinball manufacturers are going to listen to this. So the number one thing that I've discovered and you guys like Josh like hit the nail on the head when you guys were talking about your TikTok, right, that went viral. I think it's it is criminally underestimated at what happens when you reactivate somebody's nostalgia for pinball because there is more people out there that know about pinball that have just forgotten it. They're like Peter Pan that has grown up. They've done other things and they've just forgotten it. But the moment something clues them in and they remember it, that's where they kind of get that bug. So, it's not necessarily just about finding somebody that doesn't even know pinball exists, right? So, there is that type of person, but just like you like you guys say, like you show something like Harry Potter and all of a sudden people are talking about South Park, people are talking about Champion Pub, you know, there's all these other games and I see it all the time on our used games that we sell. I see what the biggest used sellers are and there are games and titles that I won't reveal here publicly, but it's games that people would be shocked that sell very well at very high prices used. And it's because it gets people to remember what it was when they were in bars in the '9s, in the 80s. They re they remember that stuff and so all of a sudden that they just rediscover it 20, 30 years down the line and it it just teased something up in them. So, I think that's kind of the important part and that's great with content when you can reach people in different ways and they rediscover it. There's always new people like that, just all of a sudden coming back to the hobby that were once a part of it without even knowing they were a part of it. Like they might have played on location, right? Put a couple of quarters in here and there. Maybe like every week they went to the bar when they were in college and then they just kind of forgot about it over the years. they got married, had some kids, got a job, got a beer belly, but then all of a sudden 25 years later, they might rediscover it. So, I think something like that's super important. But no, the next thing is with the used prices, I personally think people need to not worry so much about used prices. I get it. There's a lot of people that want the prices to stay steady. They want to feel like whatever they're buying is an investment. But I don't know what else to tell you guys other than if you're buying something, if it's an investment, you better damn sure make or sorry, darn sure make well or make sure that there's not a bunch of supply out there of it. Otherwise, if you're buying something that's infinitely made, why like why are we having the shock Pikachu face that all of a sudden it goes down in value over time? >> I don't supply though. I I think what it
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    I don't supply though. I I think what it
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    I don't supply though. I I think what it is is people want to buy a product. They're investing five uh I guess not even investing, they're setting aside three, four, five, $10,000 and they're hoping that if they decide to switch that out that they can find something for same value or not. And I grant like maybe used. I I think it's ridiculous to buy something used and think you could trade it for something brand new out of the box. But at least like my my thought process was when I first got in the hobby and was buying used, I was like, I just hope that my giant pneumonic, my shadow, whatever it may be, will retain enough value so I can transition that into another pinball machine because I think a lot of us sells our collection to bring collection in, right? Uh I think if you are looking at this as an investment, then you might need to pick a different hobby because >> Okay. I I think everything we buy, we
    45:53
    Okay. I I think everything we buy, we
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    Okay. I I think everything we buy, we want to be able to have some sort of retained value. But let me talk about how many things really are that way. I don't think the four-wheeler that we buy, we expect to be able to sell it for more than what we buy a four-wheeler for >> and and a boat and a and a TV.
    46:10
    and and a boat and a and a TV.
    46:10
    and and a boat and a and a TV. >> You got a Joel likes golf carts, so
    46:13
    You got a Joel likes golf carts, so
    46:13
    You got a Joel likes golf carts, so >> Okay, golf cart. That's true. You know
    46:15
    Okay, golf cart. That's true. You know
    46:15
    Okay, golf cart. That's true. You know what? If you want the golf cart with the pink sparkly uh cover with the tassels, I mean, that is a unique investment and you may be able to sell it for more for the right buyer, >> but okay. But but the bottom line is we
    46:28
    but okay. But but the bottom line is we
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    but okay. But but the bottom line is we know that most of the time, like the TV that I bought when I moved into this house, I paid like $5,000 for it 10 years ago and I can get a better TV for 1,200 bucks. And but it's not like I'm going to go without the TV. So this is what I tell people when they buy games and they're trying to sell for you know you know whatever 80% of what they it's like okay so let's just look at it realistically. If you buy a game for 6,000 let's just throw $6,000 out there. Okay so you own it for a year and let's just say if you were playing that you could put you could just say 50 to 100 bucks a month of wear and tear enjoyment on that. Okay. though after a year if you really want to sell it for $4,800. You've still gotten use out of that because you can go and play those games. You can have fun with it. You can invite people over. I had the women's league over here uh for their December social uh last week and they had a blast playing all these games. And so if you're looking at it that way, it's like, okay, this isn't how many things do you buy and you put in a safe and you never actually use. These are actually fun things. and and a truck that you buy for $70,000, you're not going to sell it for $70,000. Like, this is a use item. >> Well, I think too what what's really not
    47:51
    Well, I think too what what's really not
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    Well, I think too what what's really not quantified in this, and you kind of touched base on it, Scott, is that what is your time worth? >> When you have a game at your house, what
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    When you have a game at your house, what
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    When you have a game at your house, what is your true time worth? Because you're not you're not spending time going to a bar, going to an arcade. You're not spending gas going there. You're not subjected to possibly buying overpriced food somewhere or buying at a premium for drinks. You're not you're not doing that constantly. Now granted, a lot of us we have pinball at home. We probably go on location. But the point being, if you have a game at your house and you really quantify how much you're actually saving over the course of the year by having that game there compared to if you just went out, if you decide to resell it, like honestly, a lot of people would probably actually break even or even come out a little bit ahead because I know for a fact if I go to the local arcade, I'm probably if I take my family and my kids there, I'm probably spending 40 bucks instantly just on like Coin Drop, whatever. And now I haven't even put in drinks. Now I haven't included food. All of a sudden it's a $125 $150 night because we all know how expensive entertainment is >> for one night. For one night? Yes.
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    for one night. For one night? Yes.
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    for one night. For one night? Yes. >> For one night? Yes. And I have to get
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    For one night? Yes. And I have to get
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    For one night? Yes. And I have to get dressed and I have to shower. Tom Grass. >> And you have to put on pants. And so
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    And you have to put on pants. And so
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    And you have to put on pants. And so please legit. This happened to me this week. This it was like 9:30 and I'm trying to get my kids to bed and they know where my Achilles heel is and my daughter comes and she's like, "Hey, I know I'm start I'm supposed to get ready, but can I go down and play pinball?" And I'm like, "Okay, so she goes down and so then I go down and my son goes down and she's like, "Okay, let's so let's play a game. So let's choose these three games." And she's like, "Okay, Medieval Madness, Cactus Canyon, Jurassic Park." So, we spent an hour down here at night playing games. >> Rush. It's 31 on the on the pin side.
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    Rush. It's 31 on the on the pin side.
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    Rush. It's 31 on the on the pin side. >> That's true. I I I could do Rush. It's
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    That's true. I I I could do Rush. It's
    49:50
    That's true. I I I could do Rush. It's hiding behind Winchester. But, okay. But this was like this was a total free evening entertainment that it was like this is awesome. I don't have to drive anywhere. It's right here. And easily if I loaded my kids, I would not have had that experience with my kids if I did not have games in my house because it was 9:30 at night. We were trying to get ready for bed. Well, not just that, but as parents, we all know when your kids get tired of doing something, especially when you're out in public, guess what? Daddy's done playing pinball then. >> But if daddy's at the house, daddy's
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    But if daddy's at the house, daddy's
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    But if daddy's at the house, daddy's going to keep playing pinball. Like, I don't have to worry about it then. So, it's >> like there's give and take to it. I I
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    like there's give and take to it. I I
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    like there's give and take to it. I I just wish a lot of people would kind of look at it that way because it's more like what's the fun aspect? What's your time worth? What is what is those moments? You talked about the family. You know, but you could be like Tom Graph. You could be like Tom Graph and you buy the game so you can you have an intimate relationship with the game so you know how to win at tournaments >> and and then you take all that money you
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    and and then you take all that money you
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    and and then you take all that money you win from the tournaments >> and it pays for the pinball machine.
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    and it pays for the pinball machine.
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    and it pays for the pinball machine. Right, Tom? >> Hell yeah.
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    Hell yeah.
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    Hell yeah. >> Oh yeah. When I'm killing these
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    Oh yeah. When I'm killing these
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    Oh yeah. When I'm killing these tournaments, >> those earnings, man.
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    those earnings, man.
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    those earnings, man. >> Uh I mean I think all five of us
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    Uh I mean I think all five of us
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    Uh I mean I think all five of us obviously enjoy having pinball in our house. There's no doubt about that. And I don't I mean I get it. I we've this is all stuff that's been discussed before and obviously if you look at games, you know, there's a big ratio there to buy a video game. There's a reason GameStop people, you know, people would spend $70 on a game, they'd play the heck out of it and they're like, I'm bored of this game. I don't want anymore. They'd trade it in and they'd be like, "What? I'm only getting $15 for it." Like that you obviously we don't want that type of drop with a $10,000 item. We don't want to Yeah. to to be Well, yeah. To to to be 2,000. But but the other issue with pinball, right, is not only is it an investment, but it also takes up space. So you don't want a game sitting there that's taking up space. So I do I that's awesome that the used market is is there. It sucks to sell games sometimes. If you can like I know there's other distributors that also do tradeins. That's awesome that that's a that's a thing that you hope your game I can play the heck out of it for a year. If I get bored with it, I can trade it into and get a brand new game and enjoy that. And and it's hard to compare that. The only other like I started getting more and more into board games and I realized the board game resell market is actually pretty big >> really
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    really
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    really >> because some of these games are a few
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    because some of these games are a few
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    because some of these games are a few hundred bucks >> and so they'll play it. You know, you
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    and so they'll play it. You know, you
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    and so they'll play it. You know, you may put a few hours into it, but if you realize your family or your game group doesn't love this game, you got $300 or $400 wrapped up into this one board game. So they'll sell them on Facebook for 200 bucks, you know, take the hit because they want to reinvest. So, I think in the gaming space there are other things, but I don't know any other games that are $10,000. I just don't I don't know that level. >> And I told you I told you guys about
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    And I told you I told you guys about
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    And I told you I told you guys about this today. It it kind of dawned on me. So, the town that I live in, I know the city city people and they called me up because they have an old decrepit hotel and they're like, "Josh, we found a stash of arcade games. We'd like you to at least come and tell us what they're worth and everything like that." And and arcade's not necessarily my forte. pinball more is. But I show up and there's seven games in here, right? >> And I call up a buddy that owns an
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    And I call up a buddy that owns an
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    And I call up a buddy that owns an arcade who deals in arcade machines. And I said, "Hey, this is what I have. I don't know if because it's an old decrepit building, there's no electricity. I don't know if these can plug in and play." And I'm like, "Are these worth anything?" And he's like, "As they sit, for all of them together, >> you're looking like 800 bucks to
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    you're looking like 800 bucks to
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    you're looking like 800 bucks to $1,000." And these are like Mortal Kombat, Point Blank was one of them. like there's there's some good titles in here and it's like I'm like okay like what are they if they are working and like they're pretty much like you can sell it to a house and and they're in decent condition and he said all total probably three grand because you're probably about 500 per game. >> Yep.
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    Yep.
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    Yep. >> $800 on the high end on some of these
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    $800 on the high end on some of these
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    $800 on the high end on some of these >> and if you restore them and that takes
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    and if you restore them and that takes
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    and if you restore them and that takes effort by the way and that takes effort I sold I sold the Turtles because I'm like I don't want to take the effort to uh to fix it. But what's funny to me is is like here's seven arcade games sitting in this building and they don't even equal a lethal weapon. You know what I'm saying? Like >> yeah,
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    yeah,
    54:02
    yeah, >> pinball's kind of to the point where the
    54:04
    pinball's kind of to the point where the
    54:04
    pinball's kind of to the point where the entry point's almost three grand nowadays even with used pinball if you don't want to deal with the headache of EM and if you don't want to deal with the questionability of early solid state. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah.
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    Yeah.
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    Yeah. >> Yeah. It's an expensive hobby. There's
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    Yeah. It's an expensive hobby. There's
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    Yeah. It's an expensive hobby. There's no there's no doubt about that. But I do know I mean we have we have plenty of people that whether they watch our streams or or watch our you know listen to these different podcasts there's plenty of people that engage in this hobby that don't own a machine and that's cool. That's awesome that there's locations and other tournaments other ways to engage with pinball. Um so it's yeah it's really nice. It's um it is unfort I mean I do know some of these games especially these modern ones with the crazy light shows they have and some some of the crazy sound design that they have. It's It's really hard to appreciate that on location. Uh when you can get in your home environment, it's it's an amazing like there's some amazing moments now built in to games. And I I don't know. I maybe I'm taking this in a whole new direction here, but like Hobbit, I remember my memory of Hobbit was this game is so immersive. It has an amazing light show. The modes are incredible. Like I have I had such amazing I I owned Hobbit for over a year. I I had such good memories of this game, forgetting the fact that this game came out and I think it was 2014, like this game's kind of old at this point. And now revisiting it, realizing like that really stood out back then, but now that type of light show, that type of immersive audio is almost becoming the norm. It's becoming the standard. And it just like all of a sudden the things that made that game in my mind stand out doesn't stand out nearly as much anymore. And so now it's a lot easier to be like, well, this game doesn't shoot amazing. Like I'm not going to overlook like I can get a more immersive or a better light show or a more immersive game in something that came out in 2025. And uh that's where we got to really realize like how great pinball's going. So, I don't know. Maybe that's a a a decent prompt for the group. If anybody wants to say something that they think anything, it could be literally anything. Something that went like really good in 2025 or maybe something that didn't necessarily go great in 2025 or like something they that they may have been disappointed in. So, >> like pinball or just life?
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    like pinball or just life?
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    like pinball or just life? >> I mean, if you want to make you go down
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    I mean, if you want to make you go down
    56:21
    I mean, if you want to make you go down whatever want to go here. I was with pinball in pinball on this pinball podcast and you know I if you want I can start with a negative if you want. >> I will say
    56:33
    I will say
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    I will say Joel say negative about a game. >> I'll say let's hear it.
    56:38
    I'll say let's hear it.
    56:38
    I'll say let's hear it. >> I remember at the end of 2024
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    I remember at the end of 2024
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    I remember at the end of 2024 >> Dream Raper uh
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    Dream Raper uh
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    Dream Raper uh >> at the end of 2024 people were like what
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    at the end of 2024 people were like what
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    at the end of 2024 people were like what are you most excited for? What are you most excited for for 2025? And my answer was Spike 3. So, my negative is I'm not saying Spike 3 in general, but I will tell you I do not like the speaker expression lights for Spike 3. That in my mind, I do think the speaker lights Thank you. Thank you. >> The speakers themselves, sound quality,
    57:07
    The speakers themselves, sound quality,
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    The speakers themselves, sound quality, way better. The speaker lights themselves, it's a very white panel. So, that's an that's in my opinion that is >> You're saying it's trash. I'm
    57:19
    You're saying it's trash. I'm
    57:19
    You're saying it's trash. I'm I do not enjoy I do not visually like the new speaker lights in a Spike 3 system. >> Way to go. Here we go. We're going to
    57:27
    Way to go. Here we go. We're going to
    57:27
    Way to go. Here we go. We're going to get the emails from >> Hey, thank you, Tom. I It's
    57:31
    Hey, thank you, Tom. I It's
    57:31
    Hey, thank you, Tom. I It's >> I do not visually like Got it. That's
    57:34
    I do not visually like Got it. That's
    57:34
    I do not visually like Got it. That's the That's the quote right there. >> I don't love them. I don't love them.
    57:37
    I don't love them. I don't love them.
    57:37
    I don't love them. I don't love them. And that's >> what What did I tell you a few months
    57:40
    what What did I tell you a few months
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    what What did I tell you a few months ago about it? I was like, >> it will be a what did you say when cuz
    57:44
    it will be a what did you say when cuz
    57:44
    it will be a what did you say when cuz you heard a lot about Spike 3 and you're like some people will like it and some people will not. It'll be a very divisive >> Yeah.
    57:50
    Yeah.
    57:50
    Yeah. >> change. And we I mean there's a lot to
    57:52
    change. And we I mean there's a lot to
    57:52
    change. And we I mean there's a lot to Spike 3. >> I I told you to temper your
    57:54
    I I told you to temper your
    57:54
    I I told you to temper your expectations. >> The bigger monitor
    57:56
    The bigger monitor
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    The bigger monitor >> because everybody is acting like it's
    57:57
    because everybody is acting like it's
    57:58
    because everybody is acting like it's going to be this new spaceship that is just going to propel pinball into like the next millennium. And >> the bigger monitor is awesome. Like the
    58:06
    the bigger monitor is awesome. Like the
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    the bigger monitor is awesome. Like the the the blacks are so much richer on the screen. It's a bigger screen. The monitor awesome. >> The sound quality awesome.
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    The sound quality awesome.
    58:15
    The sound quality awesome. >> Awesome.
    58:15
    Awesome.
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    Awesome. >> I don't like the visual speaker lights.
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    I don't like the visual speaker lights.
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    I don't like the visual speaker lights. And I haven't seen the new expression light rails in person. >> So, ver going the right way now.
    58:25
    So, ver going the right way now.
    58:25
    So, ver going the right way now. >> Yeah, they fix that. That's good.
    58:28
    Yeah, they fix that. That's good.
    58:28
    Yeah, they fix that. That's good. >> You like the sound of your
    58:29
    You like the sound of your
    58:29
    You like the sound of your >> You're welcome.
    58:30
    You're welcome.
    58:30
    You're welcome. >> You like the sound of your sound. You
    58:32
    You like the sound of your sound. You
    58:32
    You like the sound of your sound. You don't like the look of your sound. >> I do not like the expression speaker
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    I do not like the expression speaker
    58:36
    I do not like the expression speaker lights. The new design. I don't like it. I know Pin um Pinwolfer has designed new panels for them already that doubled the amount of LEDs. So those do make it look better. It's just that they're just white rect. >> I mean do do you think there could be an
    58:51
    I mean do do you think there could be an
    58:51
    I mean do do you think there could be an adjustment coming maybe in f like maybe cuz obviously you don't think so? You think they're just locked in? >> I think the best thing that somebody
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    I think the best thing that somebody
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    I think the best thing that somebody could do and I'm amazed nobody's done it yet is create a black metal, you know, anodized or whatever like or powdercoated plate. M >> that basically covers most of it and
    59:12
    that basically covers most of it and
    59:12
    that basically covers most of it and just allows it reveals the speaker and a ring around it. So it looks more like a normal speaker light with a smaller one above it. >> All right.
    59:21
    All right.
    59:21
    All right. I'm amazed nobody has done that yet. >> That's that'll be the next stern
    59:24
    That's that'll be the next stern
    59:24
    That's that'll be the next stern accessory in 2026. >> Start copyrighting it.
    59:28
    Start copyrighting it.
    59:28
    Start copyrighting it. >> A black panel. I That's my negative.
    59:30
    A black panel. I That's my negative.
    59:30
    A black panel. I That's my negative. Yeah, I'll be the Debbie Downer. Why not? So does somebody have another >> So your Debbie Downer is speaker
    59:36
    So your Debbie Downer is speaker
    59:36
    So your Debbie Downer is speaker >> for killing pinball. pumped. I was
    59:39
    for killing pinball. pumped. I was
    59:39
    for killing pinball. pumped. I was pumped for it. Yeah, I was >> pumped. First you kill GTF, you kill.
    59:45
    pumped. First you kill GTF, you kill.
    59:45
    pumped. First you kill GTF, you kill. That was >> Now you kill speaker lights.
    59:47
    Now you kill speaker lights.
    59:47
    Now you kill speaker lights. >> Now you're pointing fingers. I'm not
    59:48
    Now you're pointing fingers. I'm not
    59:48
    Now you're pointing fingers. I'm not saying that at all. >> At least he didn't kill.
    59:52
    At least he didn't kill.
    59:52
    At least he didn't kill. >> That's true. He did not kill
    59:54
    That's true. He did not kill
    59:54
    That's true. He did not kill >> Do you want me to do a positive or I'm
    59:56
    Do you want me to do a positive or I'm
    59:56
    Do you want me to do a positive or I'm trying to let somebody else >> Carl D'Angelo has entered pinball
    60:02
    Carl D'Angelo has entered pinball
    60:02
    Carl D'Angelo has entered pinball design. That is a positive. 2025 has brought Carl Carl D'Angelo to the table as a pinball designer working for a manufacturer. As somebody I think I'm like the only person on the planet that has had a Winchester in their home for like two weeks. That game is incredible. >> I think Carl had one in his home.
    60:24
    I think Carl had one in his home.
    60:24
    I think Carl had one in his home. >> And what Listen to this humble brag.
    60:27
    And what Listen to this humble brag.
    60:27
    And what Listen to this humble brag. >> I'm not trying I'm not that's not I'm
    60:29
    I'm not trying I'm not that's not I'm
    60:29
    I'm not trying I'm not that's not I'm not trying to brag. I'm just saying to have that complete package >> that complete package the everything
    60:35
    that complete package the everything
    60:35
    that complete package the everything about that game and the fact that Carl has taken ownership not only of the design but also of the creative direction of the game. He's working with Jeff on sound. He's working on um Oh, Brian, not Brian. Who's the guy that did art? >> Nailed it. Brad got it.
    60:51
    Nailed it. Brad got it.
    60:51
    Nailed it. Brad got it. >> He worked with Brad on art and he's
    60:53
    He worked with Brad on art and he's
    60:53
    He worked with Brad on art and he's working on like he designed all the rules. And so, as somebody who's played the heck out of that game, that is a fully thought through game. It and it's and it's like maybe 40% of the way done. Like I just that is something that that should be a highlight for 2025 that Carl D'Angelo has been fully brought into pinball creativity and and development. There would be my there's a positive note on 2025. >> Okay, Josh, your turn.
    61:23
    Okay, Josh, your turn.
    61:23
    Okay, Josh, your turn. >> Uh my Debbie Downer probably is Cuphead.
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    Uh my Debbie Downer probably is Cuphead.
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    Uh my Debbie Downer probably is Cuphead. Like I I really wish I could have to play Cuphead and and see it actually produced. I think like I feel bad for Ryan McUade. was his first and to kind of be short changed. Um, are we even allowed to talk? Well, I guess yeah, it's cut anyho. >> I mean,
    61:46
    I mean,
    61:46
    I mean, it's Yeah, it's it's an open speculation at this point. >> I have no idea.
    61:50
    I have no idea.
    61:50
    I have no idea. >> DHR isn't trying to sue me, so I don't
    61:52
    DHR isn't trying to sue me, so I don't
    61:52
    DHR isn't trying to sue me, so I don't care. So, >> but anyh who, no, like I I just I feel
    61:57
    but anyh who, no, like I I just I feel
    61:57
    but anyh who, no, like I I just I feel bad like it's just this like whole crumbling effect right there at the end, right? Like it was just >> it was it was close.
    62:04
    it was it was close.
    62:04
    it was it was close. >> Yeah. Yeah, that was probably my Debbie
    62:06
    Yeah. Yeah, that was probably my Debbie
    62:06
    Yeah. Yeah, that was probably my Debbie Downer moment, but no. >> I really
    62:11
    I really
    62:11
    I really >> I mean,
    62:11
    I mean,
    62:11
    I mean, >> or do you have more downers?
    62:13
    or do you have more downers?
    62:13
    or do you have more downers? >> No, I I really think like seriously like
    62:15
    No, I I really think like seriously like
    62:15
    No, I I really think like seriously like Winchester was just such a game that blew me away. Like I was not expecting Carl to be in it in in the game uh this early. I think that we knew that he was starting to start building something, but the fact that like Barrels of Fun scooped him up and uh man, and he even had some some help. I don't know if people know this, but he had a little bit of help in previous games already, too. So, it's like it's it's it's already bleeding through the product, right? And it's proving that this this is kind of where Pinball's heading. And I'm excited. I'm excited to see like if 2025 is the beginning of all this, I can't wait to see what 2026 and and beyond brings because man, it's so good. Same with Harry Potter. Like Harry Potter like that game is is fantastic and the fact that like it bounced back from the AI art fiasco. >> Oh yeah.
    63:08
    Oh yeah.
    63:08
    Oh yeah. >> With like the derpy dragon like
    63:11
    With like the derpy dragon like
    63:11
    With like the derpy dragon like >> it's not my game.
    63:13
    it's not my game.
    63:13
    it's not my game. >> Yes,
    63:13
    Yes,
    63:13
    Yes, >> you have the derpy dragon.
    63:14
    you have the derpy dragon.
    63:14
    you have the derpy dragon. >> The double Tom has the double D dragon.
    63:16
    The double Tom has the double D dragon.
    63:16
    The double Tom has the double D dragon. >> I don't care. Yeah, he needs he needs
    63:19
    I don't care. Yeah, he needs he needs
    63:19
    I don't care. Yeah, he needs he needs the triple brain game. >> I I didn't notice it at all until
    63:25
    I I didn't notice it at all until
    63:25
    I I didn't notice it at all until >> somebody pointed it out.
    63:25
    somebody pointed it out.
    63:26
    somebody pointed it out. >> Somebody pointed it out. And even still,
    63:27
    Somebody pointed it out. And even still,
    63:27
    Somebody pointed it out. And even still, it's like okay. Yep. >> Yeah. But no, that's it's honestly 2025.
    63:33
    Yeah. But no, that's it's honestly 2025.
    63:33
    Yeah. But no, that's it's honestly 2025. Scott and I talked about this last episode or two where it's like like seriously the quality of pinball of 2025 has been elevated so much more where previous years it was like why I really don't have to figure out what I want to buy. I know what I'm getting. This year it's like how the heck do I buy these games because there's just too many and and my wallet hurts now. >> I think I I think I might know Tom's
    63:57
    I think I I think I might know Tom's
    63:58
    I think I I think I might know Tom's negative >> just cuz he's mentioned it I think on
    64:01
    just cuz he's mentioned it I think on
    64:01
    just cuz he's mentioned it I think on every podcast since he got there. >> I want you to say it for me, Joel.
    64:05
    I want you to say it for me, Joel.
    64:06
    I want you to say it for me, Joel. >> The Death Star shot. The Death Star shot
    64:09
    The Death Star shot. The Death Star shot
    64:09
    The Death Star shot. The Death Star shot Star Wars negative most negative moment of 2025. killed the killed the game for me. >> But they could redeem themselves. They
    64:19
    But they could redeem themselves. They
    64:19
    But they could redeem themselves. They could >> they could redeem themselves with that
    64:21
    they could redeem themselves with that
    64:21
    they could redeem themselves with that new bracket. >> But I think you've mentioned this to Tom
    64:24
    But I think you've mentioned this to Tom
    64:24
    But I think you've mentioned this to Tom and in multiple things and I think it's um >> and I'm not trying to put words in your
    64:29
    and I'm not trying to put words in your
    64:29
    and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but it's you feel like you have mentioned before though that that >> Tom speaks so little Joel Tom
    64:34
    Tom speaks so little Joel Tom
    64:34
    Tom speaks so little Joel Tom >> some of the he speak not but not in the
    64:37
    some of the he speak not but not in the
    64:37
    some of the he speak not but not in the background though in the in the chats he get he's got it. He's talking. He's driving seven hours and doing talk to text all the time. >> The best type of letting it all out.
    64:46
    The best type of letting it all out.
    64:46
    The best type of letting it all out. >> Um I think you have mentioned feeling
    64:48
    Um I think you have mentioned feeling
    64:48
    Um I think you have mentioned feeling like some of uh some of the later Stern games, the more recent ones have come out halfbaked or not fully complete or as a buyer you get it. >> Yeah. every game that comes out of
    65:01
    Yeah. every game that comes out of
    65:01
    Yeah. every game that comes out of Stern. That that would that would probably be my biggest thing is every game that's released is just barebones code. >> Yeah.
    65:14
    Yeah.
    65:14
    Yeah. >> And I
    65:15
    And I
    65:15
    And I >> go ahead.
    65:16
    go ahead.
    65:16
    go ahead. >> I just don't I don't know how how do you
    65:18
    I just don't I don't know how how do you
    65:18
    I just don't I don't know how how do you how do we how do you fix it? That's what I don't >> have.
    65:22
    have.
    65:22
    have. I don't I don't think they can. I don't I I think I think Stern just they want to crank out the games, which which I understand. I mean, if I'm mag manufacturing pinball machines, I want to get the things out out to my customers. >> Mhm. But in in some sense, you know,
    65:44
    Mhm. But in in some sense, you know,
    65:44
    Mhm. But in in some sense, you know, it's like a it's a long process to get to the finish line. >> Tom, my question to you then, do you
    65:57
    Tom, my question to you then, do you
    65:57
    Tom, my question to you then, do you feel like King Kong was at an acceptable level when it came out codewise and that's where they should be at least meeting the standard of? Yeah, I mean I I I would say that I I'd say compared to something like X-Men where it was definitely rushed out, they admitted it was rushed out. >> Um the game is clearly getting better
    66:19
    Um the game is clearly getting better
    66:19
    Um the game is clearly getting better than what it was >> when it was released.
    66:23
    when it was released.
    66:23
    when it was released. >> Mhm. Um, but uh, you know, I I I
    66:28
    Mhm. Um, but uh, you know, I I I
    66:28
    Mhm. Um, but uh, you know, I I I think that's some negative. That that would be my biggest negative. >> And that the tough the tough part is
    66:35
    And that the tough the tough part is
    66:35
    And that the tough the tough part is like honestly the of all the games I've streamed because normally I stream them, you know, very very early on. So, of all the games I've streamed, one of the worst streaming experiences I've actually had was James Bond. when that game showed up, >> that code was so
    66:52
    that code was so
    66:52
    that code was so >> I don't even say it was halfbaked. Like
    66:53
    I don't even say it was halfbaked. Like
    66:54
    I don't even say it was halfbaked. Like it was there was so little there and we just it's like we just there was nothing. There was like a handful of villain modes, a handful of henchman modes with nothing tying it all together. There was nothing there. >> Whoa.
    67:05
    Whoa.
    67:06
    Whoa. >> But fast forward to now. We streamed it
    67:08
    But fast forward to now. We streamed it
    67:08
    But fast forward to now. We streamed it last week. That game is incredible. >> It is so good. So, props to Stern to
    67:14
    It is so good. So, props to Stern to
    67:14
    It is so good. So, props to Stern to they do they will they will finish. They I do I do confidently feel that Stern will carry the game to the end. They will finish, but it's hard. It's hard because it's sucking up your money and your space, right, Tom? >> No. And I agree with that. I mean,
    67:31
    No. And I agree with that. I mean,
    67:31
    No. And I agree with that. I mean, Stern, look, even with the Death Star thing, they're they're coming out with the part to fix it, right? >> Yeah. you know, they're not leaving
    67:39
    Yeah. you know, they're not leaving
    67:39
    Yeah. you know, they're not leaving everybody go, "Well, th this is how it is," you know, and relatively they're getting it out very quickly, which is great. Um, you know, and they're they're proving with with John Wick and X-Men, >> they're getting the code out, but it's
    67:58
    they're getting the code out, but it's
    67:58
    they're getting the code out, but it's just it's just taking a while. And I I understand there's, >> you know, there's been some changes,
    68:04
    you know, there's been some changes,
    68:04
    you know, there's been some changes, too. Some people have left like like Tim Sexton. He was on he was he was the main guy on on Wick. He's now at a different company. But uh you know um yeah I I you know but that that's my biggest thing. I mean let's let's try to get some of these games further along. >> Well, let's let's bring it back up. Tom,
    68:30
    Well, let's let's bring it back up. Tom,
    68:30
    Well, let's let's bring it back up. Tom, what's your 2020? What was the 2025? What is something in pinball that was great?
    68:45
    I'm gonna have to think about this for No. Um, no. I mean, honestly, all the games coming out like, uh, Evil Dead, uh, you know, Evil Dead was great coming out of Spooky. Um, King Kong was great. you know, your guys top five that you released, all those games that that have come out this year have just been fantastic. Yeah. >> You know, Harry Potter, Winchester, I
    69:11
    You know, Harry Potter, Winchester, I
    69:11
    You know, Harry Potter, Winchester, I mean, there there really hasn't been a lot of dogs released, right? >> Um,
    69:19
    Um,
    69:19
    Um, except for the one Joel mentioned. No, just kidding. >> No, I I don't They're all good. No,
    69:27
    No, I I don't They're all good. No,
    69:27
    No, I I don't They're all good. No, they're I think they're genuinely all like when I stop and think I think of like um you know P3 I think Portal is the best game they've ever made. I think it's the most fun easily the most fun game I've had on that. >> You look at Barrels of Fun. As much as I
    69:40
    You look at Barrels of Fun. As much as I
    69:40
    You look at Barrels of Fun. As much as I love Labyrinth, Dune is a better game and Winchester is a better game. >> Yep.
    69:45
    Yep.
    69:45
    Yep. >> Spooky. I would say Evil Dead is
    69:46
    Spooky. I would say Evil Dead is
    69:46
    Spooky. I would say Evil Dead is probably my favorite Spooky. Like it's they are all of these manufacturers are crushing it. I would say Harry Potter is probably my favorite Jersey Jack game. >> What about Predator?
    69:57
    What about Predator?
    69:57
    What about Predator? Predator I only played a game on. I don't really have enough time. >> Let's not go too far.
    70:02
    Let's not go too far.
    70:02
    Let's not go too far. >> Predator was on par with Alien.
    70:03
    Predator was on par with Alien.
    70:04
    Predator was on par with Alien. >> We found the line. And
    70:05
    We found the line. And
    70:05
    We found the line. And >> so, but okay, you guys are actually
    70:07
    so, but okay, you guys are actually
    70:07
    so, but okay, you guys are actually getting exactly what what my best of. And really, I'll I'll talk about the best of in that my top five and honorable mention. You know, I put Evil Dead as an honorable mention just because it's not a game that I will personally have in my house. Sure. Okay. Yeah. >> So, think about that. I had Evil Dead, I
    70:26
    So, think about that. I had Evil Dead, I
    70:26
    So, think about that. I had Evil Dead, I had Kong, I had Portal, I had uh Winchester, I have Dune, and I have Harry Potter. Okay. Of the six best games of the year, how many were made by Stern? >> One.
    70:41
    One.
    70:41
    One. >> One. And so if you're looking for a a
    70:45
    One. And so if you're looking for a a
    70:45
    One. And so if you're looking for a a highlight of the entire year, it's that every single manufacturer stepped up and took a crack at the ball and hit a home run on so many levels, especially for their personal goals. Okay. >> Well, and I would even argue like
    71:01
    Well, and I would even argue like
    71:01
    Well, and I would even argue like Dungeons and Dragons kind of got short changed a little bit. I really do think like Eddie and Dwight did a fantastic job with that. And someone had and George Fischer, you guys know George from Don't Panic Flip, he'd point out like >> I think like they get a bad rap
    71:14
    I think like they get a bad rap
    71:14
    I think like they get a bad rap sometimes, but Dwight is trying something so different in Pinball that no one else is trying with the RPG, the leveling system and stuff like that. And I agree with George, like I I hadn't thought about that till Pinball Expo when he had brought that up. >> But seriously, Dungeons and Dragons is a
    71:30
    But seriously, Dungeons and Dragons is a
    71:30
    But seriously, Dungeons and Dragons is a very solid game and I think that um it should be given a second look here for 2025 as well. So, so one one of the reasons I actually sold Dungeons and Dragons was because I got to the end of it, you know, so it was like I I had seen everything. >> Yep.
    71:48
    Yep.
    71:48
    Yep. >> You know,
    71:49
    You know,
    71:49
    You know, >> but that's kind of getting to my my
    71:52
    but that's kind of getting to my my
    71:52
    but that's kind of getting to my my downside of the year is that I I think Stern has this system where just like you guys said, Stern will eventually produce a uh a finished product of their games. there will it will get to a point that is satisfactory. Okay, may not be everything you wanted, but they will end up having a solid game. The problem is historically they have been the only game in town that has been producing at a at a high level. And so we we've given them a pass for years to say, "Okay, they can release a game." And you're right, Bond was was so bare bones the first time I walked up to it and it was like a month old. I gcedded it, which I'm like, okay, obviously if I can GC a game, then this is very basic code because I am not I am not that highle player. And it seems like with Stern, they have continued down that path where they they've released games that are, you know, they're they're very early beta and the other people have stepped up and Elwin has solidly uh released a game at at least a a highlevel beta, low-level alpha mode where it's like, okay, this is a complete enough game that even if this is what you got, it still feels like a complete game. So Elwin does that and the other manufacturers said we're going to shoot for that. And so Stern's other approach of games feel it feels like it pairs it pales by comparison just because it shows that other people are willing to release the highlevel at least complete enough code. And so if there's a downside, I would just say it's Stern being a little a little casual in in taking their approach for granted to say, "Okay, we're still going to do what we always do." But it just the the light shines on it makes it look like, "Okay, you guys, you're to a point where you can no longer get away with that and still be the top three games of the year." >> I'll uh I'll I'll give Stern a pass,
    74:04
    I'll uh I'll I'll give Stern a pass,
    74:04
    I'll uh I'll I'll give Stern a pass, though. I mean, I I'll play the uh Stern apologist role. They are putting like way more into their games than they have in the past. Whether it be animation, um you know, just overall code and depth in the games is way deeper than it used to be. So, you know, you compare it to say like you compare something like Jaws to monsters and there's just a miles difference in in the depth of the code and and just fun factor for me anyways. it. I mean, to me, I'll wait for something like that, you know, compared to go buying something else from from the past that maybe isn't depthwise there kind of thing. >> Mhm.
    75:05
    Mhm.
    75:05
    Mhm. It's Well, we had a game like that though, as in Medieval Madness was sold again this year and it sold out >> and it sold well. I'm so sick of
    75:15
    and it sold well. I'm so sick of
    75:15
    and it sold well. I'm so sick of Medieval Madness. >> I know. And I I will tell you I
    75:19
    I know. And I I will tell you I
    75:19
    I know. And I I will tell you I personally >> because I played it this weekend for
    75:22
    because I played it this weekend for
    75:22
    because I played it this weekend for like an hour. But >> I mean, I just I think there's We've had
    75:25
    I mean, I just I think there's We've had
    75:25
    I mean, I just I think there's We've had this conversation on Triple Drain, though. Could you Could you do a modern-day game in a fan layout that is accessible and is fun, but I do know like I had a ton of fun streaming Monsters the other day, but that depth there. Owen said it on our last episode. Owen's like, "If we're gonna if we're selling games for $10,000, people need to feel like they get $10,000 worth of game." And some of these >> you'd have to sell it at Costco is what
    75:48
    you'd have to sell it at Costco is what
    75:48
    you'd have to sell it at Costco is what you'd have to if you do something like that. >> Well,
    75:50
    Well,
    75:50
    Well, >> that's where I do feel Medieval Madness
    75:52
    that's where I do feel Medieval Madness
    75:52
    that's where I do feel Medieval Madness fell short. When I looked at Medieval Madness Merlin and I'm like, the amount of g amount of money that's in this game compared to all the other modern machines that are coming out, the code depth is so drastically different. And for some people, that's a big deal. For others, they don't care. like that's that's the depth of code they want. >> Okay, but I I'm going to push back
    76:12
    Okay, but I I'm going to push back
    76:12
    Okay, but I I'm going to push back because it's like looking at the Beatles. Okay, go and look at those albums. If you look at how simple those albums are, they're actually quite like compared to the stuff that is being produced now. They're very straightforward, very simple. But the Beatles is still kind of the that gateway comfort band stuff that people will continue to go to. And even, you know, even for me, when I pull up, I'm not a big gamer anymore, but when I pull up a game, I pull up like the old NES Contra and because I know it, I'm familiar with it, I have fun with it. >> So, yes, you can do a fan layout. And
    76:51
    So, yes, you can do a fan layout. And
    76:51
    So, yes, you can do a fan layout. And there's even creative ways of doing it. George Gomez threw a ton of diverters in Lord of the Rings, and it's a fan layout. And so, as long as you have unique ball paths, you can continue to make it a unique experience. And so there are things that you can do with the standard fan layout, but if you re-release like the Beatles white album and just do it again, it's not going to have the same impact because Medieval Madness really did capture one of the best fan layouts ever. You could argue. And now, okay, this is what we're going to get into though. Um, and Travis, we uh we're going to come back to you because I am diverting it a little bit. So, Cactus Canyon. Cactus Canyon is a fan layout. So, I spent the weekend installing my Cactus Canyon complete kit. Okay. >> Was that fun, Scott?
    77:43
    Was that fun, Scott?
    77:43
    Was that fun, Scott? >> Okay. Uh, now,
    77:46
    Okay. Uh, now,
    77:46
    Okay. Uh, now, okay, I I will point out, um, I have a degree in mechanical engineering and I am a doctor. Okay. It took me six hours because I broke a wire and had to go buy my solder gun because I couldn't find it. But I found it four hours into the process while I was looking for something else. So now I have two solder guns so I can solder twice as fast. I will point that out. And >> that's how that works.
    78:10
    that's how that works.
    78:10
    that's how that works. >> And then when I was mounting it, it
    78:14
    And then when I was mounting it, it
    78:14
    And then when I was mounting it, it says, "Okay, you put the screws in the front and then you put the setbacks behind it." Okay, one of the setbacks is literally right under the switch. >> Yeah. And so I'm screwing in the setback
    78:28
    Yeah. And so I'm screwing in the setback
    78:28
    Yeah. And so I'm screwing in the setback and I strip off the solder on the switch. And so me being a brilliant guy thinking, "Oh, maybe I can unscrew the switch and solder and and move it and I can solder it." And then some of the parts fell into the playfield and I spent like an hour looking for it. Okay. So I ended up just taking the whole thing out, finding all the parts, putting the switch together, soldering that switch back, and then putting it in. And I I have old surgical in legit surgical instruments that are inside people or have been inside people and I I use those suckers to to secure the setback. And so now I'm 5 hours into it. >> Was it a heist?
    79:12
    Was it a heist?
    79:12
    Was it a heist? >> Well, it was an angled It was an angled
    79:14
    Well, it was an angled It was an angled
    79:14
    Well, it was an angled It was an angled heist. Yeah. I I had an angle driver and I also had like a malleable if you know what those things are. >> I have pliers that
    79:21
    I have pliers that
    79:21
    I have pliers that >> Okay. And I have these really and if you
    79:24
    Okay. And I have these really and if you
    79:24
    Okay. And I have these really and if you didn't all there were no rectal instruments involved here. Okay guys, come on. This is the familyfriendly podcast. Okay, so I get to the point where it's like, okay, I'm sorry. Is the rectum scientifically just not family friendly or something? >> Depending on
    79:39
    Depending on
    79:39
    Depending on >> I have a WOW stick.
    79:40
    I have a WOW stick.
    79:40
    I have a WOW stick. >> Depending on how you use
    79:41
    Depending on how you use
    79:41
    Depending on how you use >> Wow. Yeah.
    79:42
    Wow. Yeah.
    79:42
    Wow. Yeah. >> Wow. Wow.
    79:43
    Wow. Wow.
    79:43
    Wow. Wow. >> Yeah.
    79:44
    Yeah.
    79:44
    Yeah. >> Remember this? Yeah. There's an old
    79:45
    Remember this? Yeah. There's an old
    79:45
    Remember this? Yeah. There's an old school call back there. Wow. >> Okay. Go ahead, Scott.
    79:48
    Okay. Go ahead, Scott.
    79:48
    Okay. Go ahead, Scott. >> Okay. So then it's like, okay, so I got
    79:50
    Okay. So then it's like, okay, so I got
    79:50
    Okay. So then it's like, okay, so I got those mounted and it's like, okay, now put on uh put on the the cover to the the saloon. And I'm looking at it and I'm just like, why did I put the setbacks in? The the setbacks literally connect to nothing. And so it basically took me down a three-hour rabbit hole. And I even sent a picture to Josh Sharp and I said, "Hey, why did I even and and there's a picture of it because the setback is right underneath the switch." And I said, "Why did I put these setbacks in?" He's like, "Is doesn't the saloon mount to it?" I'm like, "No, the saloon mounts to two different screws." >> I thought there's there's two holes in
    80:33
    I thought there's there's two holes in
    80:33
    I thought there's there's two holes in the back that the setbacks are used to screw >> No, no, the holes are actually behind
    80:37
    No, no, the holes are actually behind
    80:37
    No, no, the holes are actually behind it. Maybe you should have paid Joel to come hang out with you like twice. >> He's a fully capable man. I bet he did
    80:45
    He's a fully capable man. I bet he did
    80:45
    He's a fully capable man. I bet he did it just right. >> We all know of the five people in this
    80:47
    We all know of the five people in this
    80:47
    We all know of the five people in this group, Monica is the most handy. I need Monica over here to install my my mod here. >> Yeah, you guys are like melting my brain
    80:54
    Yeah, you guys are like melting my brain
    80:54
    Yeah, you guys are like melting my brain right now. What's a setback? >> Oh my gosh. Okay, I will. Okay, do you
    81:00
    Oh my gosh. Okay, I will. Okay, do you
    81:00
    Oh my gosh. Okay, I will. Okay, do you know what? Like the hex screw thing that >> No, this is You don't actually explain
    81:04
    No, this is You don't actually explain
    81:04
    No, this is You don't actually explain it to him, Scott. It's that then you have to explain the explanation. I'm listening. I'm trying to learn. It's going to take three hours. There is There is a >> I have drill bit screw thingies right
    81:16
    I have drill bit screw thingies right
    81:16
    I have drill bit screw thingies right here. I don't There is Just think of it as there's a a post that you put into the playfield that elevates it and the screw screws into that. >> Okay. Like a sleeve.
    81:31
    Okay. Like a sleeve.
    81:31
    Okay. Like a sleeve. >> Yeah. Okay. But but it's called a
    81:34
    Yeah. Okay. But but it's called a
    81:34
    Yeah. Okay. But but it's called a setback if you look at the rules. And so >> like a setback. like a setback.
    81:37
    like a setback. like a setback.
    81:37
    like a setback. like a setback. >> Yeah. And so it actually has it has like
    81:40
    Yeah. And so it actually has it has like
    81:40
    Yeah. And so it actually has it has like a hex bolt thing on it and you screw it in >> and then there is a place for a screw to
    81:46
    and then there is a place for a screw to
    81:46
    and then there is a place for a screw to go into the setback. But you literally in the instructions you never install anything in that. >> So why were you putting the set back in
    81:55
    So why were you putting the set back in
    81:55
    So why were you putting the set back in in there? >> Because it was part of the rules. I'm
    81:57
    Because it was part of the rules. I'm
    81:57
    Because it was part of the rules. I'm ultimately a rule follower, my friend. >> What do you mean? Okay. Wait, wait,
    82:00
    What do you mean? Okay. Wait, wait,
    82:00
    What do you mean? Okay. Wait, wait, wait. I promise you those screw into something. So they could be wrong. They legit don't. >> So, the instructions
    82:08
    So, the instructions
    82:08
    So, the instructions >> You're saying skip them entirely.
    82:09
    You're saying skip them entirely.
    82:10
    You're saying skip them entirely. >> Well, I I'm just saying you don't have
    82:11
    Well, I I'm just saying you don't have
    82:11
    Well, I I'm just saying you don't have to to rip the uh the solder off the switch to do it, >> Tom. I need to grab your old Okay. So,
    82:20
    Tom. I need to grab your old Okay. So,
    82:20
    Tom. I need to grab your old Okay. So, you get it installed. >> You get it installed. Was it worth it?
    82:24
    You get it installed. Was it worth it?
    82:24
    You get it installed. Was it worth it? Is it Does it Okay. >> Yes. Because it is a fan layout, but it
    82:28
    Yes. Because it is a fan layout, but it
    82:28
    Yes. Because it is a fan layout, but it takes it in a different pathway for the game. It actually gives you a little bit of a danger shot because you have the saloon doors and so you're hitting it and it actually puts you a little bit of a oh well I need to make sure that I can recover from the ball if I slam it into the saloon door. It also has a lot of fun modes that you know my my kids were like oh this is a new mode and I'm like okay now >> drunken multiball.
    82:54
    drunken multiball.
    82:54
    drunken multiball. >> Yeah, now you can now you can shoot the
    82:56
    Yeah, now you can now you can shoot the
    82:56
    Yeah, now you can now you can shoot the beer beer thing and there's something that it's actually worth it. So, there's a lot of fun things that you can do to modernize the game. And Joel, I actually agree with you. With the saloon installation, it does take it to a level that is more fun than Medieval Madness. >> I I can say if I buy a Cactus Canyon,
    83:15
    I I can say if I buy a Cactus Canyon,
    83:15
    I I can say if I buy a Cactus Canyon, I'm making sure that baby's installed before I get it. >> I'm I'm looking at the install
    83:20
    I'm I'm looking at the install
    83:20
    I'm I'm looking at the install instructions right now, Scott. It does it does install. It does hold the back of the mech down. There are two clear There are two clear posts that it is screwed into. No, the is holding the back of the >> I I sent it to Josh Sharp and I said
    83:33
    I I sent it to Josh Sharp and I said
    83:33
    I I sent it to Josh Sharp and I said they go into this hole. >> I will I will take a screenshot and I
    83:37
    I will I will take a screenshot and I
    83:37
    I will I will take a screenshot and I will show you. >> He's the Well, Josh we all know is the
    83:40
    He's the Well, Josh we all know is the
    83:40
    He's the Well, Josh we all know is the definitive answer to any >> Oh my gosh. If Josh can install it like
    83:43
    Oh my gosh. If Josh can install it like
    83:43
    Oh my gosh. If Josh can install it like I should be able to install it. >> Did not install it. That's Josh. Josh
    83:47
    Did not install it. That's Josh. Josh
    83:47
    Did not install it. That's Josh. Josh had somebody come to his house both times to install his mech. But he thinks what you're saying. >> Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. See
    83:53
    Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. See
    83:53
    Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. See what I mean, Josh? Hater. Hater right there. What am I hating? If Josh is the definitive Josh, every time when I worked with Josh on this, if I asked him anything mechanical, he's like, "I'm not a programmer. I'm not mechanical." And he would just forward it to the next. And that's fine. I I love people that know their abilities. And he's just like, "I'm a thing." >> Children, I am sending this to you
    84:14
    Children, I am sending this to you
    84:14
    Children, I am sending this to you because this shows you exactly what I'm talking about. So, okay, zoom in on that thing that I have. >> All right, hang on. I got a message from
    84:22
    All right, hang on. I got a message from
    84:22
    All right, hang on. I got a message from bouncy booty yodie cheeks. Let me look at this real quick. I think this is a great conversation. I just don't know if it's >> Did you just say podcast material?
    84:31
    Did you just say podcast material?
    84:31
    Did you just say podcast material? >> It's fine. The for the people listening,
    84:33
    It's fine. The for the people listening,
    84:33
    It's fine. The for the people listening, it's fine. They know what we're talking about. We're talking about uh >> it looks like a really crappy solder
    84:38
    it looks like a really crappy solder
    84:38
    it looks like a really crappy solder job. >> Oh my gosh, you guys suck. Okay, but
    84:41
    Oh my gosh, you guys suck. Okay, but
    84:41
    Oh my gosh, you guys suck. Okay, but then I will send this cuz if you look at it, that is okay. Those holes right there, the second picture, that's where the screws go in. It is not to the post, the setback that is underneath the switch. So, make sure for the podcast edit here, we're throwing up this picture. Yeah, that's way everybody can see this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. But legit the the anchor screws do
    85:04
    Okay. But legit the the anchor screws do
    85:04
    Okay. But legit the the anchor screws do not go into those setbacks. >> They don't.
    85:07
    They don't.
    85:07
    They don't. >> If if you're watching this, if you've
    85:09
    If if you're watching this, if you've
    85:09
    If if you're watching this, if you've gotten an hour and a half into this episode and you see this picture, please tell us what you think of Scott Solder job. >> Oh my gosh, you guys suck so much. I was
    85:17
    Oh my gosh, you guys suck so much. I was
    85:17
    Oh my gosh, you guys suck so much. I was five hours into it and I was Yeah. No. Okay. It's >> I commend you with trying. That's I mean
    85:24
    I commend you with trying. That's I mean
    85:24
    I commend you with trying. That's I mean I think that's commendable. Yeah. I would have just walked away and just said, "Monica, go for it. I'm done." >> Well, I tried, but Monica says, "No, I'm
    85:31
    Well, I tried, but Monica says, "No, I'm
    85:31
    Well, I tried, but Monica says, "No, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna Okay, I didn't really text Monica, but she would say, I live in St. Louis. I'm not coming out there." >> She did make fun of my solder job once,
    85:38
    She did make fun of my solder job once,
    85:38
    She did make fun of my solder job once, and she does not let me solder anything. And >> that was your last solder job.
    85:41
    that was your last solder job.
    85:41
    that was your last solder job. >> You know, one time
    85:43
    You know, one time
    85:43
    You know, one time >> other men would be concerned if if their
    85:45
    other men would be concerned if if their
    85:45
    other men would be concerned if if their wife was getting texts from other men, but you just know that I'm kidding. >> Short hair, don't care.
    85:51
    Short hair, don't care.
    85:51
    Short hair, don't care. Scott again pictures of Monica painting uh shoveling snow. >> No, way those pictures happen is it's
    85:59
    No, way those pictures happen is it's
    85:59
    No, way those pictures happen is it's like hey Travis what are you doing? He's like oh we're redoing my office. He would say that we are redoing my office and we say we say oh so Monica so we hear we are redoing my office together. So we say, "Oh, so Monica's painting your office." And then he sends us a picture with a glass of something in the background. >> She told me 10 years ago, "All I have to
    86:23
    She told me 10 years ago, "All I have to
    86:23
    She told me 10 years ago, "All I have to do is be in the same room and that's like us doing something together cuz she knows strategic incompetence. She doesn't let me. Sorry for that, but still." Yeah. >> Hey, the best part about this, she puts
    86:35
    Hey, the best part about this, she puts
    86:35
    Hey, the best part about this, she puts you in timeout. >> She legit puts you in timeout. It's not
    86:38
    She legit puts you in timeout. It's not
    86:38
    She legit puts you in timeout. It's not like you're >> I've literally I've literally seen a
    86:42
    I've literally I've literally seen a
    86:42
    I've literally I've literally seen a picture of Monica with a wheelbarrow full of bricks. No, >> I'm not I'm not kidding.
    86:51
    I'm not I'm not kidding.
    86:51
    I'm not I'm not kidding. To my credit, I was standing when I took that picture. Okay. >> Okay. You weren't sitting taking a
    86:56
    Okay. You weren't sitting taking a
    86:56
    Okay. You weren't sitting taking a picture of her. >> No, I sat back after I took the picture,
    86:59
    No, I sat back after I took the picture,
    86:59
    No, I sat back after I took the picture, though. >> And that's how Travis gave birth to his
    87:02
    And that's how Travis gave birth to his
    87:02
    And that's how Travis gave birth to his five kids. >> Sitting down.
    87:05
    Sitting down.
    87:05
    Sitting down. >> Hey, we're not No, we can't pick on
    87:06
    Hey, we're not No, we can't pick on
    87:06
    Hey, we're not No, we can't pick on Travis. >> Okay. Okay, Travis. Too many people.
    87:08
    Okay. Okay, Travis. Too many people.
    87:08
    Okay. Okay, Travis. Too many people. >> Whatever, Joel. Whatever. Stop.
    87:10
    Whatever, Joel. Whatever. Stop.
    87:10
    Whatever, Joel. Whatever. Stop. >> We built each other up here.
    87:11
    We built each other up here.
    87:11
    We built each other up here. >> No. No. You don't get to do that.
    87:13
    No. No. You don't get to do that.
    87:14
    No. No. You don't get to do that. >> Hey, Travis, I think it's your time to
    87:15
    Hey, Travis, I think it's your time to
    87:15
    Hey, Travis, I think it's your time to tell us what uh what you don't like about 2025 >> and what you do like your your high and
    87:20
    and what you do like your your high and
    87:20
    and what you do like your your high and low. >> Yes.
    87:21
    Yes.
    87:21
    Yes. >> What I don't like about it.
    87:23
    What I don't like about it.
    87:23
    What I don't like about it. >> I mean, high and low or your high
    87:26
    I mean, high and low or your high
    87:26
    I mean, high and low or your high pinball, you know. >> Oh gosh. Okay. Low in pinball.
    87:30
    Oh gosh. Okay. Low in pinball.
    87:30
    Oh gosh. Okay. Low in pinball. >> I'll start there. Um
    87:33
    I'll start there. Um
    87:33
    I'll start there. Um >> not enough whiskey.
    87:35
    not enough whiskey.
    87:35
    not enough whiskey. >> What?
    87:37
    What?
    87:37
    What? Yeah, that's a good one. Um, you know, it's tough. It's like I I got to figure out. So, I know what my true low is, but I can't say it publicly because it's like insider inside baseball. >> I'll just bleep it out.
    87:50
    I'll just bleep it out.
    87:50
    I'll just bleep it out. >> We should do that.
    87:52
    We should do that.
    87:52
    We should do that. >> I really do. I really do. Um,
    87:55
    I really do. I really do. Um,
    87:55
    I really do. I really do. Um, I don't know. Like, I kind of agree with some of the things you guys have said like in terms of like I don't know, like I wish code would be a little bit further along at times. and make it easier to tell people, hey, this game's really good. Instead of saying to people, hey, this game should be really good in the future. Yeah, that's kind of like it's kind of a weird thing to say to somebody that's trying to convince them to part with 7 to $13,000, but that's neither here nor there. Um, >> you're just saying it's hard cuz like
    88:22
    you're just saying it's hard cuz like
    88:22
    you're just saying it's hard cuz like Walking Dead you can't do anything with yet because it still says license or pending approval. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm going Okay, Stern
    88:31
    Yeah. Yeah. I'm going Okay, Stern
    88:31
    Yeah. Yeah. I'm going Okay, Stern Pinball's listening. I'm going to say no comment. Um, so next one. Uh, so Cuphead. Yeah, Cuphead not coming out. I am bummed about that. I'm not a huge Cuphead fan, but I am bummed for Ryan. I don't really know him personally. I've talked to him a couple times at tournaments, but, you know, from a creative aspect, that's got to incredibly suck to put in that much work on something and not really get to see it go out publicly, not come to fruition that way. So, I hope at some point it does come out or at the very least he gets a shot to do something somewhere to get that creative outlet to come out. Um, so I mean that that for me would probably be the biggest down. I I would say the biggest up is just I don't know like pinball in general. Like I'll freely admit just like when I first got into pinball about it's been nearly a decade now. I mean, when I started going down the rabbit hole, I would see, you know, the message boards and see, you know, the criticisms and all that. And yes, like some of it's warranted. A lot of it's not. And I've fallen into that trap also of like critiquing things. I mean I mean, just as of this episode, I like making fun of stuff. But, you know, more than anything, I definitely have >> Joel.
    89:47
    Joel.
    89:47
    Joel. >> Yeah. Especially Joel. Yeah. But no, I
    89:49
    Yeah. Especially Joel. Yeah. But no, I
    89:49
    Yeah. Especially Joel. Yeah. But no, I actually love Joel. He's He's fine. He's fine. But you can bleep that part out of the podcast. >> I'll take it. You called me what? No.
    89:55
    I'll take it. You called me what? No.
    89:55
    I'll take it. You called me what? No. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I do have like a large amount of respect for people in the pinball industry, whether it's creatives, designers, artists, software people, I mean, uh, animation, LCD. Even though you guys know how I feel about the LCD, like just anybody in general that's working in the pinball industry. It's not the easiest industry to be in, but it's highly rewarding. And it's just I I don't know. like this feels like it to me it feels like a golden era of pinball just because we have so many options out there. There's so many different locations. There's so much content out there and you can choose to listen to what you want to listen to. Whether it's, you know, very critical content, whether it's just idiots like Joel Tom and I talking, whether it's actual informational stuff like probably the loser kids give you guys, but you know, you guys can listen to whatever you want. So, I just I don't know. I think that this is a great time to be a pinball fan in general. So, I'm excited to see just what happens moving on cuz in my head in my head, Canon at least, and I don't know how you guys feel about this, I think that designers and software people and the creatives behind these projects are getting better and better each time. They learn a little bit more, like just 1% each time. They learn what works, what doesn't work, and they take that to their next project. I think seeing Harry Potter for instance, I think that's a prime example of that. I mean, I don't think anybody was looking at Godfather and thinking that Eric has just, you know, created his masterpiece. But I think once you see Harry Potter, that turned a lot of eyes, right? I mean, it's a great looking game. So, I think just the fact that we have all kinds of awesome designs and awesome creatives coming from multiple manufacturers, I think that's excellent. Um, trying to think of other positives. Like I'm just really happy for everybody. I'm happy for uh Barrels of Fun, like a ton. Like if you haven't met David Van before, that is a legit sweetheart of a human being. He is so passionate about his company, about his employees, about pinball in general, about pushing it out further and and doing the cinematic version of pinball that he wants to do. So I'm extremely ecstatic to see that they had a win. Uh, I'm happy for Jerry. P3, right? Came out Portal. That's a fun game. And I mean, we've I Tom and I remember what happened when we were a little bit critical of P3 a couple of years ago. We uh we angered one or two or a couple hundred of multimorphic fans. But Portal, that was a fun game. I enjoyed that. I played that tons of times at TPF. Played it again at Expo. And I mean, even spooky, right? Spooky's come a long ways since Halloween. Like I remember on our podcast Tom and I and Tom finally just yelled at Joel, we're not going to talk about Halloween anymore, you know, and now all of a sudden they're selling out everything. So, I mean, in general, I think pinball's at a great spot. And so, I'm just I'm excited for 2026 to see what happens. And I mean, I'm excited, too, like the big rumor I told you guys about before we went live. I'm excited to see the possibility of uh Keith Elwin going to home pin also. >> That'll be pretty sweet.
    93:15
    That'll be pretty sweet.
    93:15
    That'll be pretty sweet. >> That's the big rumor, huh?
    93:16
    That's the big rumor, huh?
    93:16
    That's the big rumor, huh? >> That he's going to do so much with Blues
    93:17
    That he's going to do so much with Blues
    93:17
    That he's going to do so much with Blues Brothers. Let me tell you, >> it's a big rumor. Yeah.
    93:21
    it's a big rumor. Yeah.
    93:21
    it's a big rumor. Yeah. >> Go to crush it. Oh, he did tell me
    93:23
    Go to crush it. Oh, he did tell me
    93:23
    Go to crush it. Oh, he did tell me something for uh you Josh and Scott for Loser Kid. >> Yeah.
    93:27
    Yeah.
    93:28
    Yeah. >> He wanted to know, and I quote, or maybe
    93:30
    He wanted to know, and I quote, or maybe
    93:30
    He wanted to know, and I quote, or maybe he it wasn't a question, maybe it's a comment. Tell them they suck at sending shoes. It's true. >> Send him three shoes.
    93:41
    Send him three shoes.
    93:41
    Send him three shoes. >> He sucks at receiving them. Josh, send
    93:43
    He sucks at receiving them. Josh, send
    93:43
    He sucks at receiving them. Josh, send them to Stern Pinball. Send him to George Gomez and have George handd deliver those things to him. >> Already tried.
    93:52
    Already tried.
    93:52
    Already tried. >> Already tried, man.
    93:54
    Already tried, man.
    93:54
    Already tried, man. >> Oh, there's a story behind that shoes.
    93:56
    Oh, there's a story behind that shoes.
    93:56
    Oh, there's a story behind that shoes. I'll wear them. Like I wear whatever. Look at me. I'm an idiot. I wear >> I may have Carl Elwin is one of the best
    94:03
    I may have Carl Elwin is one of the best
    94:03
    I may have Carl Elwin is one of the best designers. I may have I may have a backdoor option. Okay, Josh, we'll talk about >> this is a familyfriendly podcast.
    94:11
    this is a familyfriendly podcast.
    94:11
    this is a familyfriendly podcast. >> Oh my gosh, this is not Elviv. Okay, I I
    94:14
    Oh my gosh, this is not Elviv. Okay, I I
    94:14
    Oh my gosh, this is not Elviv. Okay, I I may have as about this backdoor option. >> Oh my gosh. Okay, you guys. No, no, I do
    94:22
    Oh my gosh. Okay, you guys. No, no, I do
    94:22
    Oh my gosh. Okay, you guys. No, no, I do have an option to send it there. Okay. All right. I'll I'll >> back door option. Go.
    94:27
    back door option. Go.
    94:27
    back door option. Go. >> Stop. Stop.
    94:28
    Stop. Stop.
    94:28
    Stop. Stop. >> Do we know what it is?
    94:29
    Do we know what it is?
    94:29
    Do we know what it is? >> Huh? I I have a contact that I
    94:32
    Huh? I I have a contact that I
    94:32
    Huh? I I have a contact that I >> He messages me and then I have to
    94:33
    He messages me and then I have to
    94:34
    He messages me and then I have to message Neil. It's not about it. No, no. I I may get his shoes. >> I may have a I guarantee we will be able
    94:41
    I may have a I guarantee we will be able
    94:41
    I may have a I guarantee we will be able to get him there. >> Okay.
    94:43
    Okay.
    94:43
    Okay. >> Yeah.
    94:44
    Yeah.
    94:44
    Yeah. >> I I will tell him right now. I'm going
    94:45
    I I will tell him right now. I'm going
    94:45
    I I will tell him right now. I'm going to text him right now. >> Yep.
    94:48
    Yep.
    94:48
    Yep. >> Okay. It says tell. Okay. Reply. Scott
    94:52
    Okay. It says tell. Okay. Reply. Scott
    94:52
    Okay. It says tell. Okay. Reply. Scott has a backdoor option. Send. I was just going to have them sent to me and then next time we're up in Chicago, I was just going to drop them off. >> Yeah,
    95:02
    Yeah,
    95:02
    Yeah, >> that's really all I was going to do.
    95:04
    that's really all I was going to do.
    95:04
    that's really all I was going to do. >> Okay, that sounds more like a front door
    95:06
    Okay, that sounds more like a front door
    95:06
    Okay, that sounds more like a front door option though. >> You're a sidekick option. Okay. All
    95:09
    You're a sidekick option. Okay. All
    95:09
    You're a sidekick option. Okay. All right. >> Okay. Okay. Either way,
    95:12
    Okay. Okay. Either way,
    95:12
    Okay. Okay. Either way, >> that's what I'm happy with with pinball.
    95:14
    that's what I'm happy with with pinball.
    95:14
    that's what I'm happy with with pinball. >> Okay. Okay.
    95:15
    Okay. Okay.
    95:15
    Okay. Okay. >> So, I think we got we got through that.
    95:17
    So, I think we got we got through that.
    95:17
    So, I think we got we got through that. That was a good segment there. We got to talk about CCR a little bit. >> Yeah.
    95:21
    Yeah.
    95:21
    Yeah. >> Talked about shoes. I think Joel talked
    95:22
    Talked about shoes. I think Joel talked
    95:22
    Talked about shoes. I think Joel talked at some point. >> I started it. I started with the you
    95:26
    I started it. I started with the you
    95:26
    I started it. I started with the you know. Yeah, >> I thought Joel was just taking over the
    95:28
    I thought Joel was just taking over the
    95:28
    I thought Joel was just taking over the podcast. >> I don't know. You know, I I just I was
    95:32
    I don't know. You know, I I just I was
    95:32
    I don't know. You know, I I just I was sitting in the back of the bus with Travis and he's over there picking his nose and I just don't know what to do >> and so I just I stood up and I don't
    95:40
    and so I just I stood up and I don't
    95:40
    and so I just I stood up and I don't know. >> Joel, are you that way on family
    95:42
    Joel, are you that way on family
    95:42
    Joel, are you that way on family vacations? Like when you go do you like >> typically driving? Yeah.
    95:47
    typically driving? Yeah.
    95:47
    typically driving? Yeah. >> Do you do you take like do you take
    95:48
    Do you do you take like do you take
    95:48
    Do you do you take like do you take complete control >> over it? That's what we're doing.
    95:52
    over it? That's what we're doing.
    95:52
    over it? That's what we're doing. >> I usually unless we're at my wife's
    95:54
    I usually unless we're at my wife's
    95:54
    I usually unless we're at my wife's family and then I'm like you guys. It's your monkeys, your circus. >> So, I'm curious out the five of us, out
    96:00
    So, I'm curious out the five of us, out
    96:00
    So, I'm curious out the five of us, out of the five of us, does anybody here plan the vacations or the family time? Like when you're out, like you kind of like we have to be here at this time, we have to do this at this point. >> No, my wife's actually really good at
    96:11
    No, my wife's actually really good at
    96:11
    No, my wife's actually really good at like uh planning for Europe trips. My wife is actually really good at that. And she she gets actually quite nervous when we have other people with us, like my siblings. But when it's just us, it's like I'm like fine. Like whatever you want to do, I'm totally fine. I'm on board because I I don't that's not my skill set. But she's really good at that. >> That's why happy life. That's why
    96:34
    That's why happy life. That's why
    96:34
    That's why happy life. That's why cruises are a man's trip. You know what I'm saying? Like >> she likes to cruise, too. She likes to
    96:39
    she likes to cruise, too. She likes to
    96:39
    she likes to cruise, too. She likes to cruise, too. Just go do what you want. >> But I Yeah.
    96:44
    But I Yeah.
    96:44
    But I Yeah. >> Yeah. I will point out this is something
    96:46
    Yeah. I will point out this is something
    96:46
    Yeah. I will point out this is something I've always remembered. A wise man once told his wife nothing because he's a wise man. >> I was always taught that a wise man
    96:59
    I was always taught that a wise man
    96:59
    I was always taught that a wise man learns from other people's mistakes. >> Oh wow.
    97:06
    These are all good.
    97:06
    These are all good. >> I just talk to Tom. You know whatever he
    97:09
    I just talk to Tom. You know whatever he
    97:09
    I just talk to Tom. You know whatever he says. >> Tom will let you know.
    97:10
    Tom will let you know.
    97:10
    Tom will let you know. >> I don't I don't talk. It works for me.
    97:11
    I don't I don't talk. It works for me.
    97:11
    I don't I don't talk. It works for me. >> Can we talk about the funny thing? Can
    97:13
    Can we talk about the funny thing? Can
    97:13
    Can we talk about the funny thing? Can we reveal the funny thing? Because Tom was quiet for like two weeks in our chat. Yeah. Hey, hey, let let me tell you what. Okay. Legit, what happened is I saw a message. Tom has left the chat and I was and and I was like, "What?" And Travis like, "Uh, he'll be back." Or Joel or Tra, I can't remember. He'll be back. >> And then like I literally didn't hear
    97:37
    And then like I literally didn't hear
    97:37
    And then like I literally didn't hear anything for I don't know like two weeks or a month. And I'm just like, "Okay." Like we're not super chat. I know sometimes I can't respond because I'm working. Tom's like has his hands in people's mouths just like me. Like I can't respond all the time. And I just thought he was like, "Okay, this hat's this topic is getting too hot." >> It was like a month.
    97:56
    It was like a month.
    97:56
    It was like a month. >> Yeah. No, this No, this is funny. Like
    97:59
    Yeah. No, this No, this is funny. Like
    97:59
    Yeah. No, this No, this is funny. Like Like Tom text me one day and he he's just like, "We're just talking." He's like, "Now, why don't we ever chat anymore in our group chat?" And I'm like, "What are you talking about? We talk all the time." I was like, "Joel even added you." And then and then he's like, "What are you talking about? I don't even see him. It was like an hour after he left the chat. He messaged me and said, "I think I accidentally left the chat. Can you add me again?" And I did. >> But hey, he came he came back.
    98:24
    But hey, he came he came back.
    98:24
    But hey, he came he came back. >> He gave no context to that. I thought he
    98:26
    He gave no context to that. I thought he
    98:26
    He gave no context to that. I thought he was like, "I'm taking a break. Otherwise, I would have reached out." >> Well, here's what happened. Tom sent me
    98:30
    Well, here's what happened. Tom sent me
    98:30
    Well, here's what happened. Tom sent me a screenshot of his actual chats. And sure as shiakei mushrooms, we were nowhere at the top of that. Like, we were just nowhere. And Tom's like, "I don't know what's going on." And I'm like, >> it was like it was like being trapped in
    98:43
    it was like it was like being trapped in
    98:43
    it was like it was like being trapped in the inside or whatever. Upside down. Upside upside down in like Stranger Things. >> Well, we'll come get you.
    98:51
    Well, we'll come get you.
    98:51
    Well, we'll come get you. >> I just realized there is there was
    98:53
    I just realized there is there was
    98:53
    I just realized there is there was another top moment for me for 2025. You ready for this? >> Yeah.
    98:57
    Yeah.
    98:58
    Yeah. >> What is it?
    98:58
    What is it?
    98:58
    What is it? >> When someone told me that they needed to
    99:01
    When someone told me that they needed to
    99:01
    When someone told me that they needed to get an ass flames tattoo after going to our expo >> going to our expo friendly show, Josh.
    99:09
    going to our expo friendly show, Josh.
    99:09
    going to our expo friendly show, Josh. Yeah. Yeah, >> you know,
    99:11
    you know,
    99:11
    you know, >> dude, I still I still can't believe you
    99:13
    dude, I still I still can't believe you
    99:14
    dude, I still I still can't believe you guys revealed Did Tom did I ever tell you that they revealed Joel's name >> like at the
    99:20
    like at the
    99:20
    like at the >> Okay, I think Joel
    99:22
    Okay, I think Joel
    99:22
    Okay, I think Joel which was the second most viewed video for Expo was behind George Gomez talking about like >> technology. It was insane. Yeah,
    99:30
    technology. It was insane. Yeah,
    99:30
    technology. It was insane. Yeah, >> that was a fun time. I was just sitting
    99:32
    that was a fun time. I was just sitting
    99:32
    that was a fun time. I was just sitting there in the audience and I so I had never told my wife like what the names are in this chat at all. Yeah. >> And she just as soon as Joel says that I
    99:43
    And she just as soon as Joel says that I
    99:43
    And she just as soon as Joel says that I can feel her looking at me and I'm like oh god we we effed up. I'm like Joel why did you say anything? >> Then she was 100% me.
    99:54
    Then she was 100% me.
    99:54
    Then she was 100% me. >> I just Oh okay. There we go. So I just I
    99:57
    I just Oh okay. There we go. So I just I
    99:57
    I just Oh okay. There we go. So I just I just hear her say ass flames. Huh? Yep. >> Might. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I mean,
    100:05
    Might. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I mean,
    100:05
    Might. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, >> go ahead.
    100:05
    go ahead.
    100:05
    go ahead. >> I didn't come up with a name.
    100:07
    I didn't come up with a name.
    100:07
    I didn't come up with a name. >> Oh my goodness.
    100:08
    Oh my goodness.
    100:08
    Oh my goodness. >> I'm just not gonna fight it. Uh Josh, I
    100:10
    I'm just not gonna fight it. Uh Josh, I
    100:10
    I'm just not gonna fight it. Uh Josh, I do feel like I I might have uh I did some prompting here. So, is there anything was there anything particular that you wanted us to cover or say before? Cuz we are we're like an hour past Tom's bedtime at this point. >> Let's rapid. So, you guys heard our top
    100:25
    Let's rapid. So, you guys heard our top
    100:25
    Let's rapid. So, you guys heard our top five of 25. >> Rapid fire like one minute or less.
    100:30
    Rapid fire like one minute or less.
    100:30
    Rapid fire like one minute or less. Let's start with Tom. >> Well, I I already did this at the
    100:34
    Well, I I already did this at the
    100:34
    Well, I I already did this at the beginning of the >> I know, but it became so jumbled and
    100:36
    I know, but it became so jumbled and
    100:36
    I know, but it became so jumbled and whatnot. He just >> Oh my god.
    100:38
    Oh my god.
    100:38
    Oh my god. >> Let's do just one minute.
    100:40
    Let's do just one minute.
    100:40
    Let's do just one minute. >> He wants the clip. He wants the Tik Tok
    100:42
    He wants the clip. He wants the Tik Tok
    100:42
    He wants the clip. He wants the Tik Tok clip for >> because that was the problem. Joel got
    100:44
    because that was the problem. Joel got
    100:44
    because that was the problem. Joel got involved and was like, "Well, these are the games you own." >> I'm saying Winchester is off the table
    100:48
    I'm saying Winchester is off the table
    100:48
    I'm saying Winchester is off the table cuz it's not even really out. >> Okay.
    100:51
    Okay.
    100:51
    Okay. >> Okay.
    100:52
    Okay.
    100:52
    Okay. >> So, I I'm not going to include that. So,
    100:56
    So, I I'm not going to include that. So,
    100:56
    So, I I'm not going to include that. So, uh I'm going to go Harry Potter number one. Evil Dead number two. King Kong number three. Give me some other games. >> Dune. Portal.
    101:10
    Dune. Portal.
    101:10
    Dune. Portal. >> Dune number four. Predator.
    101:13
    Dune number four. Predator.
    101:13
    Dune number four. Predator. >> Star Wars. DND.
    101:18
    Anything else?
    101:18
    Anything else? >> Chicago. Uh, CCR remake. CCR
    101:23
    Chicago. Uh, CCR remake. CCR
    101:23
    Chicago. Uh, CCR remake. CCR remakes don't count. Sorry. Unless Unless it's like really I don't know maybe like Metallica where it's like somewhat different. >> Alice in Wonderland.
    101:37
    Alice in Wonderland.
    101:37
    Alice in Wonderland. >> No,
    101:37
    No,
    101:37
    No, >> that was last year.
    101:38
    that was last year.
    101:38
    that was last year. >> There's four.
    101:38
    There's four.
    101:38
    There's four. >> Is it? You still haven't made it.
    101:40
    Is it? You still haven't made it.
    101:40
    Is it? You still haven't made it. >> I I would say Portal. Portal would be
    101:42
    I I would say Portal. Portal would be
    101:42
    I I would say Portal. Portal would be the fifth for me. >> Yeah. Okay. Portal definitely cracks.
    101:45
    Yeah. Okay. Portal definitely cracks.
    101:45
    Yeah. Okay. Portal definitely cracks. >> Evil Dead. Did you say that?
    101:46
    Evil Dead. Did you say that?
    101:46
    Evil Dead. Did you say that? >> That was like That was minute.
    101:48
    That was like That was minute.
    101:48
    That was like That was minute. >> That was number two. Joel.
    101:49
    That was number two. Joel.
    101:49
    That was number two. Joel. >> Okay. I'm just I was I'm over here
    101:51
    Okay. I'm just I was I'm over here
    101:51
    Okay. I'm just I was I'm over here trying to think of my own. But >> I can't believe you want Joel to be able
    101:55
    I can't believe you want Joel to be able
    101:56
    I can't believe you want Joel to be able to say something in under a minute. >> I I want to see if this can happen. Why
    102:00
    I I want to see if this can happen. Why
    102:00
    I I want to see if this can happen. Why just so many >> go
    102:03
    go
    102:03
    go just so many hits, so many attacks, little jabs. Travis, >> you got 55 seconds left.
    102:09
    you got 55 seconds left.
    102:09
    you got 55 seconds left. >> Uh my number one is Dune. Hands down.
    102:11
    Uh my number one is Dune. Hands down.
    102:11
    Uh my number one is Dune. Hands down. Dune would be the game that I would own tomorrow. Um number two would be King Kong. King Kong would be my Yep. If number two, that's especially if Winchester is not even an option. Number three would be uh Evil Dead. Evil Dead for sure. And then after that, honestly, I would like I want to play Portal. Portal would probably be the next game I'd want to play. And then I would say Star Wars, then Dn D would be my top six. Did I forget a game? >> What did you did you include Winchester?
    102:45
    What did you did you include Winchester?
    102:45
    What did you did you include Winchester? >> We're saying Winchester doesn't count,
    102:47
    We're saying Winchester doesn't count,
    102:48
    We're saying Winchester doesn't count, right? >> I'm Winchester number one. Winchester.
    102:52
    I'm Winchester number one. Winchester.
    102:52
    I'm Winchester number one. Winchester. >> You've literally played it at your
    102:53
    You've literally played it at your
    102:53
    You've literally played it at your house. How does it not? >> Two weeks. You were the only person.
    102:55
    Two weeks. You were the only person.
    102:56
    Two weeks. You were the only person. >> A minute ago, somebody Tom said, "We're
    102:57
    A minute ago, somebody Tom said, "We're
    102:57
    A minute ago, somebody Tom said, "We're throwing Winchester." >> No, no, I was doing it personally
    103:00
    No, no, I was doing it personally
    103:00
    No, no, I was doing it personally because like I've played it two times. I can't go to a location and play it. >> If we're not throwing it out, then I
    103:07
    If we're not throwing it out, then I
    103:07
    If we're not throwing it out, then I would do Dune number one, Winchester number two, Kong number three, >> Harry Potter. What is Harry Potter?
    103:13
    Harry Potter. What is Harry Potter?
    103:13
    Harry Potter. What is Harry Potter? >> Harry Potter number four.
    103:14
    Harry Potter number four.
    103:14
    Harry Potter number four. >> Okay.
    103:15
    Okay.
    103:15
    Okay. >> Evil Dead number five.
    103:16
    Evil Dead number five.
    103:16
    Evil Dead number five. >> That would be
    103:17
    That would be
    103:17
    That would be >> Portal six. Portal six.
    103:18
    Portal six. Portal six.
    103:18
    Portal six. Portal six. >> Portal six. Yeah,
    103:20
    Portal six. Yeah,
    103:20
    Portal six. Yeah, >> I would do that because Yeah. Honestly,
    103:23
    I would do that because Yeah. Honestly,
    103:23
    I would do that because Yeah. Honestly, of all those games, I would Yeah, I would own Dune, I would own Winchester, and I would own King Kong. >> Mhm.
    103:31
    Mhm.
    103:32
    Mhm. >> It's fair.
    103:34
    It's fair.
    103:34
    It's fair. >> Okay, Travis, you're up, man.
    103:36
    Okay, Travis, you're up, man.
    103:36
    Okay, Travis, you're up, man. >> Man, this one's going to be tough. Okay,
    103:38
    Man, this one's going to be tough. Okay,
    103:38
    Man, this one's going to be tough. Okay, I might mess this up. This is off the cuff. I will start by going backwards. So, we'll say number five. I'd probably say portal number >> three will blow your mind.
    103:53
    three will blow your mind.
    103:53
    three will blow your mind. >> Four. Yeah. Right. Number four. I would
    103:57
    Four. Yeah. Right. Number four. I would
    103:57
    Four. Yeah. Right. Number four. I would probably say Uh I guess I'll say King Kong at number four. >> Wow.
    104:10
    Wow.
    104:10
    Wow. >> What? Number four is blowing my mind.
    104:13
    What? Number four is blowing my mind.
    104:13
    What? Number four is blowing my mind. Can you believe this? >> Yes, I can. That's why I rated it.
    104:17
    Yes, I can. That's why I rated it.
    104:17
    Yes, I can. That's why I rated it. Number three. >> What?
    104:21
    What?
    104:21
    What? >> Shoot. I don't know. This one's tough.
    104:23
    Shoot. I don't know. This one's tough.
    104:23
    Shoot. I don't know. This one's tough. >> I'm messaging Keith.
    104:25
    I'm messaging Keith.
    104:25
    I'm messaging Keith. >> I just
    104:27
    I just
    104:27
    I just >> uh
    104:27
    uh
    104:27
    uh >> Keith doesn't make good tournament
    104:28
    Keith doesn't make good tournament
    104:28
    Keith doesn't make good tournament games. >> Number three. I'd probably
    104:30
    Number three. I'd probably
    104:30
    Number three. I'd probably >> die on that hill.
    104:31
    die on that hill.
    104:31
    die on that hill. >> Dune
    104:33
    Dune
    104:33
    Dune and number three. Number two. Which ones do I have left? >> Harry Potter. Winchester.
    104:42
    Harry Potter. Winchester.
    104:42
    Harry Potter. Winchester. >> Yeah,
    104:44
    Yeah,
    104:44
    Yeah, that's Harry Potter. Winchester. >> That's the one I missed. Oops. Okay.
    104:48
    That's the one I missed. Oops. Okay.
    104:48
    That's the one I missed. Oops. Okay. Yeah, I already messed up my uh my thing. Oh well. Okay. So, I'll say Harry Potter number two. Um I wanted to fit in Winchester, but I miscount it. So, my apologies. That would have been that would have been number three. Number four for me just cuz I want to see the code fleshed out more. And then number one is Jaws 50th. >> Okay.
    105:08
    Okay.
    105:08
    Okay. >> I thought we were
    105:09
    I thought we were
    105:09
    I thought we were >> If you would like a Jaws 50th,
    105:10
    If you would like a Jaws 50th,
    105:10
    If you would like a Jaws 50th, >> Jaws 50th is the premium anniversary
    105:13
    Jaws 50th is the premium anniversary
    105:13
    Jaws 50th is the premium anniversary edition. And that's not a remake. It >> It's a good option. It's a good option.
    105:17
    It's a good option. It's a good option.
    105:17
    It's a good option. It's a good option. >> It's a great option. That came out 2024.
    105:19
    It's a great option. That came out 2024.
    105:19
    It's a great option. That came out 2024. >> Jaws released in 2024.
    105:23
    Jaws released in 2024.
    105:23
    Jaws released in 2024. >> 50th.
    105:23
    50th.
    105:24
    50th. >> The 50th anniversary came out in 2025.
    105:26
    The 50th anniversary came out in 2025.
    105:26
    The 50th anniversary came out in 2025. >> Jaws
    105:28
    Jaws
    105:28
    Jaws game. Oh, sorry.
    105:33
    Write it down, Josh.
    105:34
    Write it down, Josh. >> Oh, writing it down. Right.
    105:36
    Oh, writing it down. Right.
    105:36
    Oh, writing it down. Right. >> It has brass wire for it. That would be
    105:40
    It has brass wire for it. That would be
    105:40
    It has brass wire for it. That would be in my top five. >> Wait, how is that not fair? It says I
    105:44
    Wait, how is that not fair? It says I
    105:44
    Wait, how is that not fair? It says I think I can do it. It's fine. It's fine. Just add a six and seven now. >> Well, I would be in my top five.
    105:51
    Well, I would be in my top five.
    105:51
    Well, I would be in my top five. >> I Yeah, I would have put Winchester in
    105:53
    I Yeah, I would have put Winchester in
    105:53
    I Yeah, I would have put Winchester in my top five, too, but I miss I miscount it. So, >> all right.
    105:58
    all right.
    105:58
    all right. >> You change my list. Uh Rush is number
    106:00
    You change my list. Uh Rush is number
    106:00
    You change my list. Uh Rush is number one. >> Yeah.
    106:02
    Yeah.
    106:02
    Yeah. >> Did you put an ad in it?
    106:04
    Did you put an ad in it?
    106:04
    Did you put an ad in it? >> There's still probably
    106:05
    There's still probably
    106:05
    There's still probably >> He just wants to keep buying it. He just
    106:07
    He just wants to keep buying it. He just
    106:07
    He just wants to keep buying it. He just wants to keep buying it. >> It is in the vault. I heard uh
    106:10
    It is in the vault. I heard uh
    106:10
    It is in the vault. I heard uh >> I heard today. Oh god.
    106:12
    I heard today. Oh god.
    106:12
    I heard today. Oh god. >> With that list with the wonderful Jack
    106:15
    With that list with the wonderful Jack
    106:15
    With that list with the wonderful Jack Danger video that just released today. >> That is correct.
    106:18
    That is correct.
    106:18
    That is correct. >> Okay. It's Yeah,
    106:20
    Okay. It's Yeah,
    106:20
    Okay. It's Yeah, >> I would do I would do Dune then
    106:21
    I would do I would do Dune then
    106:21
    I would do I would do Dune then Winchester then Jaws then King Kong. I would put Jaws in my third. >> See, I'd put Jaws ahead of King Kong.
    106:29
    See, I'd put Jaws ahead of King Kong.
    106:29
    See, I'd put Jaws ahead of King Kong. >> That's what I just said. That's why Jaws
    106:31
    That's what I just said. That's why Jaws
    106:31
    That's what I just said. That's why Jaws is my third. >> I thought you were going the other way.
    106:32
    I thought you were going the other way.
    106:32
    I thought you were going the other way. Never mind. Okay. >> Be my fifth. Evil Dead would be my
    106:35
    Be my fifth. Evil Dead would be my
    106:36
    Be my fifth. Evil Dead would be my sixth. >> Okay. How many
    106:40
    Okay. How many
    106:40
    Okay. How many games are out in the world right now? Like five. >> I don't think there's any official.
    106:45
    I don't think there's any official.
    106:45
    I don't think there's any official. They're all still like the prototype games. >> Yeah.
    106:48
    Yeah.
    106:48
    Yeah. >> Okay. So, Winchester is an honorable
    106:50
    Okay. So, Winchester is an honorable
    106:50
    Okay. So, Winchester is an honorable mention then. >> Is that what we're going
    106:55
    Is that what we're going
    106:55
    Is that what we're going to stop right now? And it's an amazing game. >> I I put Winchester as three just
    106:57
    I I put Winchester as three just
    106:58
    I I put Winchester as three just because. So, my if I remember correctly, my top was Harry Potter, second was Doom, third was Winchester, four was Kong, and fifth was Portal or I could have had Portal above Kong. >> I'm changed my mind. Number one,
    107:12
    I'm changed my mind. Number one,
    107:12
    I'm changed my mind. Number one, Pokemon. >> Oh, wow.
    107:15
    Oh, wow.
    107:15
    Oh, wow. >> Hey, how about Lord of the Rings?
    107:16
    Hey, how about Lord of the Rings?
    107:16
    Hey, how about Lord of the Rings? >> It's allegedly coming out, Tom.
    107:18
    It's allegedly coming out, Tom.
    107:18
    It's allegedly coming out, Tom. Allegedly Pokemon announced it like you never know. >> Yeah. Yeah.
    107:24
    Yeah. Yeah.
    107:24
    Yeah. Yeah. >> How do you guys know it's not just
    107:26
    How do you guys know it's not just
    107:26
    How do you guys know it's not just rumors? Yeah, >> could be a mistreat. Guys,
    107:29
    could be a mistreat. Guys,
    107:29
    could be a mistreat. Guys, >> you're doing your 2026 list already.
    107:31
    you're doing your 2026 list already.
    107:31
    you're doing your 2026 list already. >> Here's the thing, though. So, like
    107:32
    Here's the thing, though. So, like
    107:32
    Here's the thing, though. So, like there's all this hype about Fallout right next year. And they're all like, "Oh, Ellen's going to kill it on It's not going to Ellen. If it's Fallout, it's an RP RPGbased game. It's going to Eddie and Dwight." Like, I don't know what to tell you. >> Yeah.
    107:45
    Yeah.
    107:45
    Yeah. >> So, agree.
    107:47
    So, agree.
    107:47
    So, agree. >> Tada.
    107:48
    Tada.
    107:48
    Tada. >> Well, number three is my is Fallout.
    107:52
    Well, number three is my is Fallout.
    107:52
    Well, number three is my is Fallout. >> Okay. You're just listing games.
    107:55
    Okay. You're just listing games.
    107:55
    Okay. You're just listing games. >> You're just listing grimmer games.
    107:57
    You're just listing grimmer games.
    107:57
    You're just listing grimmer games. >> Tom, what's your over under?
    107:58
    Tom, what's your over under?
    107:58
    Tom, what's your over under? >> What about Gremlins? Let's talk about
    108:01
    What about Gremlins? Let's talk about
    108:01
    What about Gremlins? Let's talk about >> Okay, that's number one.
    108:02
    Okay, that's number one.
    108:02
    Okay, that's number one. >> Let's talk about some other ones.
    108:03
    Let's talk about some other ones.
    108:03
    Let's talk about some other ones. Gremlins is number one. >> Gremlins is number one.
    108:05
    Gremlins is number one.
    108:06
    Gremlins is number one. >> Since they're remaking
    108:07
    Since they're remaking
    108:07
    Since they're remaking if we're just doing themes. >> Yeah, we're just naming off themes that
    108:11
    Yeah, we're just naming off themes that
    108:11
    Yeah, we're just naming off themes that we want. Gremlins. Gremlins is number one. >> So, JJP's Ghostbusters. That's
    108:16
    So, JJP's Ghostbusters. That's
    108:16
    So, JJP's Ghostbusters. That's >> okay. You're killing my joke.
    108:17
    okay. You're killing my joke.
    108:17
    okay. You're killing my joke. >> Did they get Phoebe kicked?
    108:19
    Did they get Phoebe kicked?
    108:19
    Did they get Phoebe kicked? >> Hang on. Scott has a joke. I was like,
    108:21
    Hang on. Scott has a joke. I was like,
    108:21
    Hang on. Scott has a joke. I was like, they're remaking all of Steve Richie's games and so they already did Star Wars. Now I'm waiting for a Led Zeppelin that I like. >> Oh gosh.
    108:29
    Oh gosh.
    108:29
    Oh gosh. >> Oh, hold on.
    108:30
    Oh, hold on.
    108:30
    Oh, hold on. >> Honestly.
    108:31
    Honestly.
    108:31
    Honestly. >> Wow.
    108:32
    Wow.
    108:32
    Wow. >> I w I would have put it past. It may
    108:35
    I w I would have put it past. It may
    108:35
    I w I would have put it past. It may happen. >> You never know.
    108:37
    You never know.
    108:37
    You never know. >> Oh, that was You never know. That'd be
    108:39
    Oh, that was You never know. That'd be
    108:39
    Oh, that was You never know. That'd be spicy, wouldn't it? >> Yeah.
    108:40
    Yeah.
    108:40
    Yeah. >> I will say I will say too heaven in it.
    108:43
    I will say I will say too heaven in it.
    108:43
    I will say I will say too heaven in it. >> I will say too, Evil Evil Dead's also a
    108:46
    I will say too, Evil Evil Dead's also a
    108:46
    I will say too, Evil Evil Dead's also a fun game. Like I will really I'm not a huge fan of like the license but the immersion and what what Spooky did. It's a fun game. >> And actually the original Led Zeppelin
    108:57
    And actually the original Led Zeppelin
    108:57
    And actually the original Led Zeppelin is it's okay. It's I still like the music. >> I got it over here.
    109:00
    I got it over here.
    109:00
    I got it over here. >> Yeah.
    109:01
    Yeah.
    109:01
    Yeah. >> So um it's almost 1:00 a.m.
    109:05
    So um it's almost 1:00 a.m.
    109:05
    So um it's almost 1:00 a.m. >> Yeah.
    109:05
    Yeah.
    109:05
    Yeah. >> My time.
    109:06
    My time.
    109:06
    My time. >> Okay. Where else do we have to go Joel?
    109:07
    Okay. Where else do we have to go Joel?
    109:07
    Okay. Where else do we have to go Joel? >> It's only 11:30 here
    109:09
    It's only 11:30 here
    109:09
    It's only 11:30 here >> to bed.
    109:10
    to bed.
    109:10
    to bed. >> Yeah. They This is a loser kid.
    109:15
    Yeah. They This is a loser kid.
    109:15
    Yeah. They This is a loser kid. They they wrap up on one hour like so consistently. This is a double episode for them. Easy. >> Yeah. Cut this episode into half and
    109:23
    Yeah. Cut this episode into half and
    109:23
    Yeah. Cut this episode into half and triple D and half. >> Yeah. Just split it into three episodes.
    109:27
    Yeah. Just split it into three episodes.
    109:27
    Yeah. Just split it into three episodes. >> I I have to pick up my buddy at 6 a.m.
    109:29
    I I have to pick up my buddy at 6 a.m.
    109:29
    I I have to pick up my buddy at 6 a.m. So, yeah, we we definitely need to get to bed, too. So, >> oh my gosh, you guys are all old
    109:35
    oh my gosh, you guys are all old
    109:35
    oh my gosh, you guys are all old pansies. >> What I'm really curious is I have
    109:37
    What I'm really curious is I have
    109:37
    What I'm really curious is I have people's lives in my hands, so maybe you should have some respect for those people. >> Okay, you three are old pansies except
    109:43
    Okay, you three are old pansies except
    109:43
    Okay, you three are old pansies except for Scott. So, obviously we need to plug it up, but then what I love is we end our episodes where Tom gets the last words and you end your episodes. >> I think Joel should get the last
    109:55
    I think Joel should get the last
    109:55
    I think Joel should get the last >> I was I wanted out.
    110:03
    No, it'll just end with Joel saying,
    110:03
    No, it'll just end with Joel saying, >> "I don't know.
    110:04
    "I don't know.
    110:04
    "I don't know. >> He'll just drown out.
    110:05
    He'll just drown out.
    110:05
    He'll just drown out. >> Just kind of fade out."
    110:07
    Just kind of fade out."
    110:07
    Just kind of fade out." >> Yeah.
    110:07
    Yeah.
    110:07
    Yeah. >> Don't
    110:08
    Don't
    110:08
    Don't >> I don't know. 15inute model supposed to
    110:10
    I don't know. 15inute model supposed to
    110:10
    I don't know. 15inute model supposed to be a safe place. >> I don't know, you know.
    110:12
    I don't know, you know.
    110:12
    I don't know, you know. >> Oh my goodness.
    110:13
    Oh my goodness.
    110:13
    Oh my goodness. >> This was supposed to be a safe place.
    110:15
    This was supposed to be a safe place.
    110:15
    This was supposed to be a safe place. >> Oh, don't don't worry. We're going to
    110:17
    Oh, don't don't worry. We're going to
    110:17
    Oh, don't don't worry. We're going to hear about it.
    110:23
    How about this? How about this?
    110:23
    How about this? How about this? >> You don't know what we go through, Joel.
    110:26
    You don't know what we go through, Joel.
    110:26
    You don't know what we go through, Joel. >> Pick on Joel. It doesn't work.
    110:28
    Pick on Joel. It doesn't work.
    110:28
    Pick on Joel. It doesn't work. >> Oh my god.
    110:29
    Oh my god.
    110:29
    Oh my god. >> He's a sensitive little flower.
    110:31
    He's a sensitive little flower.
    110:31
    He's a sensitive little flower. >> Yeah. No.
    110:32
    Yeah. No.
    110:32
    Yeah. No. >> I will put out a bounty right now. You
    110:34
    I will put out a bounty right now. You
    110:34
    I will put out a bounty right now. You ready for this? >> Okay. Go ahead.
    110:35
    Okay. Go ahead.
    110:35
    Okay. Go ahead. >> Okay. Okay. If someone actually gets a
    110:37
    Okay. Okay. If someone actually gets a
    110:37
    Okay. Okay. If someone actually gets a Joel tattoo, you I will give you a pair of loser kid sneakers. >> Oh, wow.
    110:42
    Oh, wow.
    110:42
    Oh, wow. >> The Joel tattoo.
    110:44
    The Joel tattoo.
    110:44
    The Joel tattoo. >> Okay. What is this tattoo gonna look
    110:46
    Okay. What is this tattoo gonna look
    110:46
    Okay. What is this tattoo gonna look like? I'm curious now. >> It's entirely up to you.
    110:49
    It's entirely up to you.
    110:49
    It's entirely up to you. >> I'm going to Vegas in less than 48
    110:52
    I'm going to Vegas in less than 48
    110:52
    I'm going to Vegas in less than 48 hours. So, >> I need to be the younger.
    110:55
    I need to be the younger.
    110:55
    I need to be the younger. >> It's got to be the vampire Joel. The
    110:57
    It's got to be the vampire Joel. The
    110:57
    It's got to be the vampire Joel. The vampire Joel. >> What would you guys do if I came back
    111:00
    What would you guys do if I came back
    111:00
    What would you guys do if I came back with a vampire Joel? Tat tat it somewhere on my own. >> I am getting your own sneakers, man. And
    111:07
    I am getting your own sneakers, man. And
    111:07
    I am getting your own sneakers, man. And they will >> I mean I would laugh.
    111:08
    I mean I would laugh.
    111:08
    I mean I would laugh. >> I will even sign them personally, man.
    111:12
    I will even sign them personally, man.
    111:12
    I will even sign them personally, man. >> Okay, this is fun.
    111:15
    Okay, this is fun.
    111:15
    Okay, this is fun. >> Yeah, you got to get Jared on the other
    111:17
    Yeah, you got to get Jared on the other
    111:17
    Yeah, you got to get Jared on the other arm. >> Yeah, that's true.
    111:18
    Yeah, that's true.
    111:18
    Yeah, that's true. >> Um,
    111:19
    Um,
    111:19
    Um, >> he is my favorite angle birth, so I
    111:21
    he is my favorite angle birth, so I
    111:21
    he is my favorite angle birth, so I should do that. Another cheek. >> Oh my.
    111:27
    Oh my.
    111:27
    Oh my. >> Well, let's do it. Let's uh
    111:29
    Well, let's do it. Let's uh
    111:29
    Well, let's do it. Let's uh >> let's plug it up.
    111:29
    let's plug it up.
    111:29
    let's plug it up. >> Plug this baby up.
    111:31
    Plug this baby up.
    111:31
    Plug this baby up. >> All righty. I I forget you're on Eastern
    111:32
    All righty. I I forget you're on Eastern
    111:32
    All righty. I I forget you're on Eastern time. So I was like he's on central. It's not >> I could imagine your guys I could
    111:37
    I could imagine your guys I could
    111:37
    I could imagine your guys I could imagine your guys emails. This is the worst episode. >> I know. I can't believe those jack butts
    111:44
    I know. I can't believe those jack butts
    111:44
    I know. I can't believe those jack butts on. >> If uh if Elwin's the voice of honesty,
    111:47
    If uh if Elwin's the voice of honesty,
    111:47
    If uh if Elwin's the voice of honesty, you know, apparently people listen to the first hour and then we ramble and they tune out. That's fine. >> I'm not I'm not going to lie. This whole
    111:53
    I'm not I'm not going to lie. This whole
    111:53
    I'm not I'm not going to lie. This whole year has been very I don't want to say calculated, but I I have done a lot of work in putting like figuring out Loser Kid and building Loser Kid. It's nice to do an episode like this where it's just shooting the crap. >> Yeah. You've seen the amount of work we
    112:09
    Yeah. You've seen the amount of work we
    112:09
    Yeah. You've seen the amount of work we put in is what you're seeing. >> No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm
    112:13
    No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm
    112:13
    No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is >> we usually have a schedule that we go
    112:15
    we usually have a schedule that we go
    112:16
    we usually have a schedule that we go through. We have like five topics and we we kind of systematically transition between them. So this is >> Yeah, we don't we don't do it.
    112:22
    Yeah, we don't we don't do it.
    112:22
    Yeah, we don't we don't do it. >> All right, turn on the mics. Let's go.
    112:25
    All right, turn on the mics. Let's go.
    112:25
    All right, turn on the mics. Let's go. >> One point we had notes and they were
    112:26
    One point we had notes and they were
    112:26
    One point we had notes and they were bullet points and we've just given up on that. We just we just go. But >> but no, it's it's nice. No, like I
    112:33
    but no, it's it's nice. No, like I
    112:33
    but no, it's it's nice. No, like I really I really enjoy doing this cuz it's something different than what we typically do. And it's seriously it's funny cuz someone reached out to me. I can't remember who it was, but they're like I'm so tired of like the the Buddy Buddy podcast. I just want to hear about pinball. That's what I love about Loser Kid. You guys just talk it's interviews. We're not friends. We're not friends. >> We're not in business. All business.
    112:52
    We're not in business. All business.
    112:52
    We're not in business. All business. >> Screwed that up.
    112:54
    Screwed that up.
    112:54
    Screwed that up. >> I know.
    112:55
    I know.
    112:55
    I know. >> Well, it's okay. That guy's not
    112:57
    Well, it's okay. That guy's not
    112:57
    Well, it's okay. That guy's not listening this live. >> This is my Christmas present to myself.
    113:01
    This is my Christmas present to myself.
    113:01
    This is my Christmas present to myself. >> I like how you're like, "We're not going
    113:03
    I like how you're like, "We're not going
    113:03
    I like how you're like, "We're not going to talk pinball. We're going to get the ultimate non-pinball pinball podcast on here. >> Just shut up."
    113:11
    Just shut up."
    113:11
    Just shut up." >> Nope.
    113:11
    Nope.
    113:11
    Nope. >> Okay. Well,
    113:13
    Okay. Well,
    113:13
    Okay. Well, >> we don't at all. I'm sorry. We're like
    113:15
    we don't at all. I'm sorry. We're like
    113:15
    we don't at all. I'm sorry. We're like this all the way then. Travis, do your plugs. Let's hear Uh, I don't want to. I'm tired. >> Sick plays. Uh, pinball company and
    113:24
    Sick plays. Uh, pinball company and
    113:24
    Sick plays. Uh, pinball company and triple drain pinball podcast. There you go, Travis. Good luck in Vegas. >> Triple drain pinball podcast company
    113:30
    Triple drain pinball podcast company
    113:30
    Triple drain pinball podcast company with Joel and Tom. >> What about Marvel Loco though? Do you
    113:33
    What about Marvel Loco though? Do you
    113:33
    What about Marvel Loco though? Do you ever throw back to that? >> Nope.
    113:36
    Nope.
    113:36
    Nope. >> No company. No.
    113:38
    No company. No.
    113:38
    No company. No. >> If you want to see Baby Travis, you want
    113:39
    If you want to see Baby Travis, you want
    113:39
    If you want to see Baby Travis, you want to >> I went corporate.
    113:41
    I went corporate.
    113:41
    I went corporate. >> Yeah.
    113:41
    Yeah.
    113:41
    Yeah. >> I would I haven't even put out a video
    113:43
    I would I haven't even put out a video
    113:43
    I would I haven't even put out a video on YouTube like in over a month. I've been >> you just did
    113:48
    you just did
    113:48
    you just did >> uh Well, I might have started hot
    113:50
    uh Well, I might have started hot
    113:50
    uh Well, I might have started hot multiball. >> Okay, I take that back. I put out one
    113:53
    Okay, I take that back. I put out one
    113:53
    Okay, I take that back. I put out one short after 30. Yeah. Yeah, been busy. Okay. >> I I do have I do I do refer your video.
    114:00
    I I do have I do I do refer your video.
    114:00
    I I do have I do I do refer your video. We do we do have people ask what's the best resource for for competition. Travis, you do fantastic jobs on those videos and like they >> Thank you.
    114:07
    Thank you.
    114:07
    Thank you. >> I I really feel like they should be
    114:09
    I I really feel like they should be
    114:09
    I I really feel like they should be >> Yeah.
    114:10
    Yeah.
    114:10
    Yeah. >> Yeah.
    114:10
    Yeah.
    114:10
    Yeah. >> And Joel does the best uh tutorials with
    114:12
    And Joel does the best uh tutorials with
    114:12
    And Joel does the best uh tutorials with the glass off. >> Yep. And I'm I'm glad I traveled seven
    114:17
    Yep. And I'm I'm glad I traveled seven
    114:17
    Yep. And I'm I'm glad I traveled seven hours one way for for you guys not to mention my tournament stuff. >> It's time to plug. We moved off Travis.
    114:27
    It's time to plug. We moved off Travis.
    114:28
    It's time to plug. We moved off Travis. >> Moving off Travis.
    114:29
    Moving off Travis.
    114:29
    Moving off Travis. >> Tom, do you want to go plug away?
    114:31
    Tom, do you want to go plug away?
    114:31
    Tom, do you want to go plug away? >> Plug about a seven hour trip.
    114:32
    Plug about a seven hour trip.
    114:32
    Plug about a seven hour trip. >> Yeah.
    114:33
    Yeah.
    114:33
    Yeah. >> Fox City's pinball.
    114:34
    Fox City's pinball.
    114:34
    Fox City's pinball. >> If you love 12 hours of tournament play,
    114:37
    If you love 12 hours of tournament play,
    114:38
    If you love 12 hours of tournament play, turn into Fox City's pinball. We will go all night long. >> Mhm. and then some.
    114:44
    Mhm. and then some.
    114:44
    Mhm. and then some. >> There you go.
    114:46
    There you go.
    114:46
    There you go. >> Seriously,
    114:47
    Seriously,
    114:47
    Seriously, >> you do you do fantastic tournament
    114:48
    you do you do fantastic tournament
    114:48
    you do you do fantastic tournament streams. >> Fantastic. And some of most of the
    114:51
    Fantastic. And some of most of the
    114:51
    Fantastic. And some of most of the memeable pinball memes out there. >> Oh yeah.
    114:54
    Oh yeah.
    114:54
    Oh yeah. >> Yeah. You've been killing it on the
    114:55
    Yeah. You've been killing it on the
    114:55
    Yeah. You've been killing it on the clips. >> Yeah.
    114:57
    Yeah.
    114:57
    Yeah. >> Oh.
    114:58
    Oh.
    114:58
    Oh. >> Um and yeah, I'm Joel. I do the Flipping
    115:00
    Um and yeah, I'm Joel. I do the Flipping
    115:00
    Um and yeah, I'm Joel. I do the Flipping Out Pinball podcast or the Flipping Out YouTube show every uh every Wednesday night with my brother. Check us out 10 to midnight Eastern Standard Time. You can check out tutorials on the YouTube channel as well. We enjoy doing that. In terms of Triple Drain, check out Silverball Swag. I know Loser Kid is on there as well. Fox Cities Pinball is on there as well. Uh check that out. Huge shout out to our Patreon members. We don't know why you support us, but you do and it's awesome. So, thank you so much uh for the kind um I don't know your generosity there. And uh if anybody's still listening at this point, thank you for still listening because this was a long one. Um Josh and Scott, obviously, thank you for having us on. >> Always, always. and you want to get a
    115:41
    Always, always. and you want to get a
    115:41
    Always, always. and you want to get a hold of us, we are loseridpinball podcastgmail.com. Like Joel alluded to, we also have a Patreon and we we very much appreciate your support. If you want to get a hold of us, all the socials at loserkidpinball, I've made it very very simple. Or you can even hit our link tree if you forget all that. It's just link tr.e/serkidpinball,
    116:03
    something like that. It will take you to everything. Silverball swag to buy more merch and and our Patreon and and all of our socials. So, uh Joel, would you like to give us the last words for tonight? >> Um
    116:16
    Um
    116:16
    Um uh I'm I I love you guys. >> A I love you, too.