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Ep 85: We Know All

Final Round Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 5m·analyzed·May 31, 2025
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TL;DR

Jeff leaks upcoming games (Harry Potter JJP, Portal Multimorphic, Winchester Mystery House) in January episode released four months later.

Summary

Jeff and Ryan record a January 17, 2025 episode of Final Round Pinball Podcast where Jeff teases inside information about upcoming pinball games, claiming knowledge of Harry Potter (JJP), The Portal (Multimorphic), Winchester Mystery House (Barrels of Fun), and a mystery Stern game. The episode was held for four months before release. The second half, recorded in May 2025, features casual banter about travel, tournament results, and community drama around a theft incident.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack Pinball is releasing a Harry Potter pinball game

    high confidence · Jeff states directly: 'I have a feeling very soon you're gonna see people start mentioning Harry Potter. It's for real, it's happening' and later confirms 'It is coming this year. But definitely is not going to be out in the next four months.'

  • Multimorphic is releasing The Portal (video game) as a pinball table with new mechanical additions

    medium confidence · Jeff predicts: 'they're going to add additions that will come down. You know, you remember when Heist had that crane and it was wicked and it was awesome? What if they did that with, oh, I don't know, something that you can add on...coming up TPF in a couple months.'

  • Barrels of Fun is releasing Winchester Mystery House pinball machine

    high confidence · Ryan confirms: 'I saw a picture of a mechanism that looks interesting. Apparently, it's Winchester Mystery House (Barrels of Fun game).'

  • Stern is working on Pinball Network integration for all new games and eventually Spike 2 games

    medium confidence · Jeff states: 'I've heard that Stern have been secretly working in the backgrounds...they're going to roll it out on all the new games and eventually for all the Spike 2 games.'

  • Stern is developing an original theme game (not licensed IP)

    medium confidence · Jeff claims: 'It is an original theme' and hints at Godzilla, Jurassic Park, and Jaws as reference points, though contradicts himself by calling these examples.

  • Turner Pinball has a game called Merlin's Arcade coming after Ninja Eclipse

    low confidence · Ryan mentions: 'What's Merlin's Arcade? Oh, it's Turner Pinball's next game. You thought Ninja Eclipse blew you away? Wait till Merlin's Arcade.'

  • American Pinball is inactive and has no employees to bring machines to Pinball Expo

    medium confidence · Jeff states: 'there's no one there at the moment. There's no one to like wrap up the pinball machines and take them to PF. Like you can't bring it there if there's no pinball employees.'

Notable Quotes

  • “I'm going to give you some goods and fuck the NDA, I don't care, I'm doing it.”

    Jeff @ Early in episode — Jeff signals intent to leak inside information despite NDA obligations, setting up the rumor-dump portion of the episode.

  • “It's for real, it's happening, and I don't think they're gonna be able to hold on to the secret for a while. I mean, it's just too juicy.”

    Jeff @ ~5 minutes in — Confirming Harry Potter JJP with high confidence and predicting imminent public reveal.

  • “I'm telling you, The Portal is coming. There's no way that's happening, Jeff.”

    Jeff / Ryan exchange @ ~15 minutes in — Jeff confident about Portal; Ryan skeptical, representing community doubt about a 10-year-old IP choice.

  • “Fuck off, that's never gonna happen, come on...there's no way they're going to release a pinball machine about a video game that was popular 10 years ago that doesn't make any sense.”

    Ryan @ ~20 minutes in — Ryan challenges Portal prediction, then absurdly predicts tariffs—foreshadowing real trade developments.

  • “Sue me. Go for it. I don't give a shit. I'm going to fucking tell you right now.”

    Jeff @ ~30 minutes in — Jeff explicitly breaks confidentiality on Pinball Network integration news, showing willingness to violate NDA.

  • “In ten minutes we've just named four games.”

    Ryan @ ~35 minutes in — Ryan realizes volume of leaks and raises concern about releasing episode, suggesting they should hold it.

  • “You know what? I challenge anybody out there to do that. Start a Kickstarter. Say you're going to make a pinball machine...75%...a thousand bucks a game and you'll still make money off it.”

    Jeff @ ~45 minutes in — Jeff speculates on low-cost pinball manufacturing via crowdfunding, touching on business model innovation.

  • “There's no way anyone is letting a baby fall to the floor...in the split second that you go to catch it, Jeff, 100% you would catch a baby.”

Entities

Jersey Jack Pinball (JJP)companyMultimorphiccompanyBarrels of FuncompanyStern PinballcompanyTurner PinballcompanyAmerican PinballcompanyBall Around PinballcompanyThe Princess Bridegame

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: Jeff leaks Harry Potter pinball game from JJP with high confidence, stating it is happening in 2025 but not in the next four months from January 17 recording date.

    high · 'I have a feeling very soon you're gonna see people start mentioning Harry Potter. It's for real, it's happening' and 'It is coming this year. But definitely is not going to be out in the next four months.'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Jeff predicts The Portal (Multimorphic) will be announced at Texas Pinball Festival with innovative mechanical additions similar to Heist crane feature.

    medium · 'I'm telling you, The Portal is coming...coming up TPF in a couple months. You watch, mark my words, The Portal is coming.'

  • ?

    product_launch: Winchester Mystery House by Barrels of Fun confirmed in production with playfield mechanism design.

    high · 'I saw a picture of a mechanism that looks interesting. Apparently, it's Winchester Mystery House (Barrels of Fun game).'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Jeff hints at Stern developing new technology (Pinball Network) for integration into all new games and backported to Spike 2 games.

    medium · 'I've heard that Stern have been secretly working in the backgrounds...they're going to roll it out on all the new games and eventually for all the Spike 2 games.'

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball reported inactive with no employees to deliver machines to Pinball Expo, suggesting operational collapse.

    medium · 'there's no one there at the moment. There's no one to like wrap up the pinball machines and take them to PF.'

Transcript

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0:00
The following was recorded on January 17th, 2025. This has never been released until now. Hey Ryan, what's up buddy? Hey Jeff, happy new year. Happy new year my friend, I can't believe we're, you know what, this is, I'm really impressed. We're doing podcasts every two weeks, kind of going back to the old school, the way things were on Final Round. No more waiting and waiting and waiting, we're just right back into it. Every two weeks, a podcast. I love it. 26 episodes a year, coming at you live from Canada and Australia. Maybe more, who knows? I mean, we're excited and I don't know what you're like at Christmas, you know, when you're a kid and you're like, I wonder what I'm going to get, what I'm going to get. It's kind of like that in pinball too, you know, what's the next game going to be, what's the next game going to be? And I have inside information. I mean, you always say you have inside information, Jeff, but then you say you're under NDA and then we get nothing. It's like just a big tease. Well, I've turned a new leaf, you know, it's the new year and I thought, why should these other podcasters guess a thousand different games and oh, we were right about that one, fuck them. You know what? My gift to you for your loyalty, listening every two weeks here on Final Round is I'm going to give you some goods and fuck the NDA, I don't care, I'm doing it. All right. You give me a company, I'll tell you what's coming up. Maybe I know, maybe I don't. Well, let's start with the one that people seem to really be kind of talking about the rumors, JJP having a big license. Do you want to start with that one Jeff, or do you want to start with a juicier one? Oh, that's a pretty big one. I have a feeling very soon you're gonna see people start mentioning Harry Potter. It's for real, it's happening, and I don't think they're gonna be able to hold on to the secret for a while. I mean, it's just too juicy. I wouldn't even be surprised if Jack tells you to save your money. I'm going to be I'm telling you it's it's happening you don't believe me it's gonna happen they have had some amazing launches in the past before Jeff like I think Jersey the Guns and Roses Jersey Jack was one of the best launches ever where they just had this like a media blitz and they had all the assets ready what do you what's your inside information on how he's gonna how they're gonna reveal this one yeah been there done that I think they're going to try something a little different. You know what? It's a big license. I wouldn't be surprised if they take deposits without even seeing the game. I really think that's possible. I don't think so, Jeff. That's what happened before in the past. Okay. We'll see. You're the one with the inside info. Okay. Hey, if I'm wrong, correct me, all right? It's January 17th. Whenever that game comes out, and I'm telling you, it won't be out. It definitely is not going to be out in the next four months. It is coming this year. But if I'm wrong, hey, you know, call me out on it. You've got some juice too. You know, didn't you know something about barrels of fun? Yes, there's, they're releasing a pinball machine and they specifically have been designing a pinball machine. David Van Es had a vision about designing a mech that really closely emulates a butthole sucking in a pinball. We've been waiting. I mean, it's 2025 already. The calendar's just flipped. It's time for that. What has your fellow countrymate said? Well, I didn't get the information directly from him, but I saw a picture of a mech that looks like a butthole. Apparently, it's June. I don't know why they had to build a theme and pay for a license around it because I think the butthole mech was good enough. Love it. I say thank you to everybody who has been willing to comment, and we're not coming I'm a big fan of Multimorphic, right? Love Multimorphic. I thought Princess Bride was great. And you think, well, they're going to rest on that for a while, right? That just came out. No, no. They're going to be releasing another one in with TPF coming up in a couple of months. Don't be surprised. And you heard it here first. Do you remember the video game Portal? Of course, who doesn't love Portal, right? I used to be a video game player. Have you played Portal, Jeff? No, but my son has. My son loves the game Portal and I don't know, I just got this strong feeling, I'm getting this vibe from Texas that that might be the next game and you're like, oh, okay, fine, that's dandy. I've seen it as, oh, is it going to change the upper third of the playfield? No, they're going to do more this time. They're going to add additions that will come down. You know, you remember when Heist had that crane and it was wicked and it was awesome? What if they did that with, oh, I don't know, something that you can add on. I'm telling you, it's coming up TPF in a couple months. You watch, mark my words, Portal is coming. There's no way that's happening, Jeff. Okay, call me out on it. There's no way they're going to release a pinball machine about a video game that was popular 10 years ago that doesn't make any sense. Well, next you're gonna tell me, you know, uh, they're gonna be these, oh I don't know, uh, pinball games are gonna be more expensive because all of a sudden, uh, imports are gonna change with something like, something crazy like tariffs or something like that. Fuck off, that's never gonna happen, come on. Nah, that's just all threats. There's no way. Jeff, I've, I've heard a rumor and it's, it's not a gang-based rumor, this, this is not as juicy as yours, but I've heard that Stern have been secretly working in the backgrounds. I'm going to be like, bam, guys. Do you like it? Wow. It's about time, but this is what I've heard and they're going to roll it out on all the new games and eventually for all the Spike 2 games. So that's a hot juicy rumor. I would guess that somebody like Tim Saxon is working on it nonstop and won't leave Stern until that's... He is the biggest asset. I don't know what Stern will do if he ever leaves the company. He's getting... Lock him down. Lock him in. Yeah. Lock him down. You know, you can let the Owens and those guys walk. The Even tho There Is, I'm a big fan of Pinball Network. And in fact, I kind of let some people know at the Pinball Network and they're like, you can't fucking, if you do that, it'll be the end of the Pinball Network. You can't leak it. And you know what? Sue me. Go for it. I don't give a shit. I'm going to fucking tell you right now. It is an original theme. Yeah. Don't be surprised if the man who has given us Godzilla, Jurassic Park, Jaws, and other Translated by Free~~ lit

  • Ball Around Pinball planned a Kickstarter but faced community opposition and is calling it quits

    medium confidence · Jeff reports: 'they hinted that they were gonna try a Kickstarter but people kind of violently opposed that they didn't really have a proper plan for how they're gonna release their pinball machine that was full of innovations apparently they're gonna they're gonna call it quits before they started'

    • Ryan @ Second half, ~90 minutes — Light-hearted digression about Paris safety scams; shows casual banter tone post-leaks.

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  • ?

    community_signal: Theft incident at Allentown convention captured on video and viral on Facebook, creating witch-hunt mentality in community.

    high · 'it's happened before in the past and I don't think people got caught but with technology these days, if you steal something in this little hobby, you're going to get absolutely roasted...coin taker that had that video...50,000 views.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Ryan expresses frustration with cancel culture and social media justice, advocating for forgiveness and redemption in hobby community.

    high · 'I can't stand when people tell you how you should feel...There used to be a time when there was forgiveness and redemption. Those days are long gone.'

  • ?

    content_signal: Final Round Pinball Podcast left Pinball Network after four-month delay in episode release, now operating independently at finalroundpinball.com.

    high · 'we appreciate it, and all the hard work that went into that...So thanks for putting us on the map...Subscribe to the new feeds, not the Pinball Network or the specific Pinball Network RSS feeds.'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Escher dominates Australian competitive pinball scene with 11 tournament wins and worst finish of 13th since arriving in country.

    high · 'He has come first in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 tournaments out of tournaments...his worst finish is 13th.'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Jeff speculates JJP may take pre-orders without showing the Harry Potter game to market, based on major IP appeal.

    low · 'I wouldn't even be surprised if they take deposits without even seeing the game. I really think that's possible.'

    • 8:09
    Yeah, so it's going to be tough though because I mean everyone's going to want to get their hands on the artwork for that so I don't know how they're going to do it but my guess, my feeling is you know what, it's time. I would make Zombie Eddie in charge of artwork there and because he's a good guy, he's going to go, you know what, why don't the three of us do the artwork? You know, what the hell? Who's the three you're talking about? You're asking me. Listen, I can't reveal everything right now. Zombie Eddie will be doing part of it but there'll be a I'm just telling you. Things to watch for, but... Will the Kong eat the ball, Jeff? Hmm. No, but some asshole will make a mod, I'm sure that'll do it. Oh fuck. Should we release this? If we do... I mean, in ten minutes we've just named four games. And you didn't even mention Merlin's Arcade, Jeff. What? What's Merlin's Arcade? Oh, it's Turnerpinball's next game. You thought Ninja Eclipse blew you away? Wait till you see Melon's Arcade. I do like Ninja Eclipse. Yeah, wait till you see Melon's Arcade. It's got less ninjas but more magic. Next you're going to tell me John Norris is designing it.
    9:24
    No, no. He's just releasing. He usually just releases like free pinball designs on Facebook. There's no way. Have you got inside information on that one as well? Do you, Jeff? Maybe, maybe I do. And again, this is too hot. You know what? I don't know. You know, Marty was always kind of the voice of reason. He'd always say, you know, I'd want to blurt something out. He'd be like, Jeff, I know I'm high and drunk right now, but really, you should really think about doing that before we release it. It's going to be out there forever. So should we just sit on this for a while? You know what? I have one more, Jeff. I have one more. I have one more. Fuck off. There's not one more. I'm going to be showing no matter what, but I have some inside info that it's not because there's no one there at the moment. There's no one to like wrap up the pinball machines and take them to PF. Like you can't bring it there if there's no pinball employees. You know, that's too bad if that's the case because people want to spend their money. I wouldn't put it by people to, I don't know, like if there was a Kickstarter, let's say, or a I was talking to a friend who was doing a pinball podcast and he said, you know, I've got a lot of money and I want to make a pinball machine. And somebody said, I'm going to make a pinball machine, let's just say 75% of the size. Just give me a thousand bucks. People would fucking do it. You don't think they would, but they would. No. I'm telling you. People have learned their lesson. They would not back a Kickstarter for 600 plus thousand US dollars raised in a couple of hours. There's no way that would happen, Jeff. How can you build a pinball machine for a thousand dollars? Well, that's what people would better think about. You know, I mean, I think that's one of the things that's going to happen is you're going I'm a pinball machine for a thousand dollars. Well, that's what people that are spending the money should probably be asking that question, but it doesn't matter. They'll get it. They'll get it. You watch. All right. We'll see. Let's circle back to this. You know what? I challenge anybody out there to do that. Start a Kickstarter. Say you're going to make a pinball machine. It doesn't even have to be full size, 75%. You're going to do a thousand bucks a game and you'll still make money off it. Go see what happens. I'm telling you, you can do it. Go ahead. You just made yourself a half a million dollars by doing that. You don't believe me. You watch. Too hot? I don't know. Should we run this by TPN? Because, I mean, honestly, they're going to just... If we get kicked off the network, if the network closes down because of this, then so be it. I don't know. Are people still releasing stuff? It seems like it was kind of like a quick in the middle of COVID thing. Like everyone's sitting there. People want to release content. They don't know how to. You know, G
    12:29
    the downfall of that there is actually another another rumor that I've heard ball around pinball do you remember ball around my pinball sure do yeah yeah they hinted that they were gonna try a kickstarter but people kind of violently pose that they didn't really have a proper plan for how they're gonna release their pinball machine that was full of innovations apparently they're gonna they're gonna call it quits before they started so this is a pinball company that was around for two or three years and This is too much. Let's sit on it for a day. We'll decide if we're going to release this or not because it's going to affect a lot of people. Right, I'm going to say so long and we'll talk to each other I'm sure tomorrow. You know, it's not like we're going to let it sit for like four months or something. We'll talk tomorrow and we'll decide if we should release this. Sound good? Alright Jeff. Okay bud. Talk to you tomorrow. See ya.
    13:58
    Music and etc. & Welcome to the final round. We it's been a hot minute I know as you heard we did record a show four months ago and holy cow bang on every single prediction what other podcast can do that right I don't know why we didn't release that earlier people I don't know if people gonna believe that it was recorded mid-january but here we are mid May yeah many months later ballerina's been I'm not sure if that was in there. I haven't really listened to it, but no, Katie Perry went to space. No, that is going crazy. Did you mention Disney planning to release a I did not. Wow. You did? No, I didn't. I... Jeff, do you know the difference between Dubai and AbuDubby? Spelling. No. People in Dubai don't like the Flintstones but people in AbuDubby do. Dad joke of the day. It's Mother's Day today. Wow. I'm going to have some Abby Debbie dude. You know. Yeah, I was meant to. Yeah, yeah. Fuck that good That a good one What four told you that Anyway it funny We got some things to talk about for sure It been four months since our last recording And the TPN belly up Thanks for putting us on the map We appreciate it and all the hard work that went into that So fuck you made us have to get our own damn website So if you listening to this Ryan give us the deets Yeah, we've got a new website, finalroundpinball.com, but you probably already know that if you are listening to it. Maybe we have to put a little, like, podcast, beg Dennis and Zach to put up one final podcast just to tell everyone that we're no longer on that feed. So if you're listening to this, please make sure you're subscribed to the new feeds, not the pinball network or the specific pinball network RSS feeds that Dennis was maintaining. And the way to do that, it depends on what podcatcher you use, but you can jump on the website and underneath each podcast there's a subscribe button. Right now it just says Apple and the normal RSS feed which will work with like any podcatcher hopefully by the time you listen to this will be up on Spotify which is a massive pain in the bum but I don't wanna sit there and complain about all the fun times I've had relearning how to build a website and a podcast. This is why the TPN was so good, Jeff. You just send Zach your MP3 and he does everything. Many times sending Zach podcasts, I'd say, sorry buddy, because he'd be like, oh, and you don't know who else is in the queue and stuff like that. I'm like, oh, I certainly don't want to bump out TPN. You can bump out, you know, Silverball Chronicles and TripTrain, those assholes are, I kid, I kid, I love them both. But, you know, but the, you were kind of at the mercy and heaven forbid Zach's away and stuff like that. So, you know, we could have done this a lot. I'm going away. I'm going away for a little bit. How long? Where are you going, Jeff? Are you okay? Yeah, there's Yagpin. That's a big Canadian event. That's going to be exciting. It's one of my three favorite tournaments in fact for sure so that's coming up in Edmonton, Alberta
    18:43
    I'm going to the European Pinball Championships in Austria Mmm, never been I'm looking forward to that Stefan Riedler and the Baynes to Austria never been to the European Championships. I've been to European Championships twice This will be never been to Austria, so I'm looking forward to that But my favorite thing is like so I've kind of got some time in between I'm like oh, you know what? I'm going to go somewhere I've never been before and bring my lovely wife Anne and we're going to Paris. So I'm looking forward to that and I tell you and listener, this is the honest to God's truth. Ryan doesn't even know I'm going to say this. I said, oh, I'm going to Paris. He goes, uh, you got to watch out for a few things. I'm like, like what? Like pickpockets? No, it's a different kind of scam. I'm like, they'll do things like where they'll throw fake watch down on the ground and they'll say, it's yours. No. Uh, Oh, well, do you want it at 50 euro or something like that? Or it's worth five or something like that. Watch over that scam. I'm like, I think I'll be fine. And they said, well, they, they also zip tie you or tie wrap you up by the wrist and you got to pay them to get off. I'm like, right. Are you making this shit up? And he goes, Oh, that's not even the worst. I'm like, what are you talking about? And he said to me, again, listener, not making this up. He said, the one thing you gotta be careful I'm a fan of the Eiffel Tower. You'll be walking with Anne and someone will throw a baby at you. I'm like, what? They'll throw a baby and you'll go to catch it and when you go to catch it, a pickpocket will grab your stuff. I'm like, you make it sound like I've got a fucking wallet out of my back pocket and stuff like that. And you know what? It's not my baby. I'm not catching it. Where did you see all this stuff? What fearmongering have you been doing? I'm not a real baby, Jeff. They're not complete fucking animals. They're just, they would throw a baby, like a baby doll, but it looks like a baby and in the split second that you go to catch it, Jeff, 100% you would catch a baby. There's no way anyone is letting a baby fall to the floor. Maybe like Kobe Bryant, not Flinch. What if it's not? Well, no way. I'm more of a hacky sack guy. I'll give it a couple of boots and try to keep it afloat. How about that? I just love that, you know, I'm kind of excited to go somewhere I've never been. You're like, oh yeah, watch out for this, watch out for this. What else did you say? Oh, it smells like piss. I'm sorry to all of our French listeners. Like my friends, like all these guys are like, hey, I'm still coming no matter what Ryan says. Keep Ryan out. It's a beautiful country. I just want, I don't want you to go there thinking it's the best place in the world. I'm going to be bummed if I don't get one of those things happen to me. You can get bummed if you want, Jeff. I can tell you the place for that to happen, the red light district. By the way, I've been to the red light district in Amsterdam. I went at 4 o'clock. I was with Ann. 4 a.m. or 4 p.m.? p.m. I can't remember where I was. Oh, we were in Germany with the last EPC, in fact, and the World Championships. We were there for a week and then we thought, oh, we'll take one day. I've never been to Amsterdam. Went there and I'm like, well, you got to go. You're right here. We walked through it and I was underwhelmed. I was expecting a little more shock and awe, but I guess it is as advertised. In the windows and all that kind of stuff. But I was like, eh. You wanted to see something a bit more hardcore, Jeff? Like, was it that the PG Hollywood movies are more hardcore than what you saw in real life? Is that what you're saying? I don't know. I just didn't, I don't know what I was expecting, but I was like, eh. I was underwhelmed. That's all I'll say. But it was also 4 p.m. So, you know, it's not like it's prime time. I'm still waking up from the previous day. Perhaps. Anyway, that was Amsterdam. I love the city though. It was nice and you got to do the river tours. I don't know if it's touristy shit but if you're only there for a day, you got to do it. So yeah, Paris will be fun. Looking forward to going to Austria. That's going to be a biggie. I've wanted to ask you in Australia, now that Escher lives there, has anybody won any tournament? You want me to actually look it up. There's no way. I'm sure like a local tournament, like twice a week Brisbane thing. He has the Australian flag there now. He's officially Australian. Okay, Death by Pinball. I mean, Death by Pinball. Death by Pinball is a 24-hour tournament, but instead of it being one giant tournament. I'm looking at all, since he's been there, his worst finish is 13th at some Brisbane pinball club. I'm going to assume he was, you know, probably having a good time, drunk maybe, and not really giving a shit. Maybe, who knows? But he has come first in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 tournaments out of 7. I was in the second and many of them. I always tell people if you wanna come and steal some whoppers, just come to the Brisbane Masters. They're on in a month or so. Everyone who comes, everyone from the US, Stephen Bowden, geez, I forgot the name of the other guy. Colin Urban, didn't he do well? Yeah, Colin Urban. There was someone last year who came for a vacation with his dad I'm sorry, I can't remember his name. Probably Colin. No, no, no, it wasn't Colin Urban. Oh, Nick Kennedy. It was Greg Kennedy. Yes, yes, yes. Greg and Nick, yeah, I remember when they left. Yeah, they were on the Super City Pinball event in Canton, Ohio along with Galvin Morgan. That's the week before Pinberg. That's going to be a big one. So that's coming up in July, then Pinberg, and then The Beast. The Beast has since been announced since our last thing. So three bang, bang, bang. David Van Es, Knapp Arcade. Pinball Championship didn't make the Worlds this year. I didn't qualify. It was like eight or ten out. Oh well, but they're not back. Oh, geez, a lot has happened since January. Yeah, I just realized like the Australian Pinball Championships happened. You didn't play in it? Yeah, which I think. I managed, yeah, so I managed to qualify for it. There's two ways you can qualify, Jeff. You can either get a really large amount of whoppers and qualify no matter what, But most of the places are filled from coming in the top four or six in your state. And because of that, I didn't know if I was going to qualify because I didn't play much pinball last year. I did. I came third in the state champs, but I had already booked a holiday to Hawaii of all places. And I could have cancelled it, but I was like, no, I'm going to go to Hawaii and spend all of my Australian dollars, convert it to US dollars, which is I'm not a very good conversion, Jeff. No, I know what that's like. Yeah, if you're from the US and you want to come to Australia, everything's really, really cheap right now. Yeah. What's the flight to Hawaii? How long? Ten and a half hours, I think, from Melbourne. That's not bad. Like Melbourne's almost the southmost point of Australia, so, or mainland Australia. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. It's a beautiful place away, Jeff. Love it. I love it. I got to get back. What else is going on in your world? You had some notes. We should probably talk. I mean, it's been four months since we've recorded. I mean, you're hearing the stuff we recorded definitely 100% back in January, but what do you want to talk about? Ah, geez. What do I want to talk about? Don't steal stuff from anyone at a pinball convention, Jeff. That's what I learned last week. Don't fucking steal anything from, you You know, it's happened before in the past and I don't think people got caught but with technology these days, if you steal something in this little hobby, you're going to get absolutely roasted. So this is a coin taker that had that video, it was at Allentown's show and I watched the video and like, did they edit it? Because the video like stayed on the person. Like, they must have edited it to just keep that on that person. Either they edited it or maybe there's like a feature of the security camera software where you can lock in another person and it'll zoom in I'm not sure what it's at now, but small companies like anyone but Stern would fucking kill to release a pinball video and have 50,000 views on it. It's weird, I mean, I don't know if it's the pinball community or if it's the algorithm. It's the algorithm of Facebook, this is Facebook views I'm talking about, where it's like, well people are talking about this, people are arguing about this, let's show this to everyone. Because it appeared on my, like every time I opened up Facebook that day, it kept on appearing, like it didn't disappear. It really wanted me to see it. So, yeah, I don't know. Let's get this guy to steal a brand new June Pinball Machine off the lot where they're being made and relaunch the game that way. I don't know. It was an interesting read and a very, yeah, people are on a bit of a witch hunt. I feel bad for the guy because of the way that people reacted, but I also don't feel bad for him because, yeah, he stole something, so. The court of the social media strikes again, right? Did he do it? Sure as hell looked like he did it. You know, what he said after the fact. Is it after the fact? I don't know. I haven't heard back from Cointaker and all that stuff but I didn't I man that social justice drives me nuts I'm not a big fan of it I know some people and like you say it gets hit some people watch it and it was just really easy for people to to click a button and say like well let's let's now ruin this person's life let's now let's now review bomb like this thing like oh it's a company let's all say like that this company is horrible you know an example of I'm a fan of pinball. I've seen a lot of things I've seen before like this pinball place doesn't like these types of people. Let's make sure it's got zero star reviews. It's really easy to click buttons and move on and something that takes you 30 seconds to do or 30 minutes to do can have a lasting impact on somebody's life. And that's the part that I don't understand when people want to actually destroy something that they won't sit there and watch or be a part of because it's a couple of couple of button clicks and that's it. There's two things. There's one, I can't stand when people tell you how you should feel. You can have that feeling on your own and it might be different than others and that's okay. And the other thing I can't stand is people make mistakes. You made mistakes, I've made mistakes, we've all made mistakes. There used to be a time when there was forgiveness and redemption. Those days are long gone. It's now a life sentence and that's it, that's Pageμα I'm a big fan of unity. What a softie, eh? I always tell people that I'm friends with so many people in the pinball hobby, but they're not deep friends and I can hang around with them for many years and not dive into the world because I really have the common factor of loving pinball and um like we're all we're all very different people Jeff people with different political views, different religions, different upbringing, different morals, ethics yeah but pinball is is is what brings us together and I love our love of King Kong Jeff. It's like the differences of Dubai and Abu Dhabi it really is. Abu Dhabi. Oh man Can I say one more thing on that topic Sure And I not going to name names and you can ask me online I not going to tell you But if you haven noticed maybe once maybe twice whether it podcasts social media in person, I like to make people laugh. I like to tell jokes. So, I thought it would be funny and get ready, get your cancel button ready everyone. Get ready, get ready, here I thought it would be funny to post on a certain calendar date that happens to be known as April 1st that, hey, I'm going to be a grandpa. And most people got the joke. Most people. As in all but one. I got ridiculed. How dare you make fun of people who can't have children. I'm like, what? What? What? What? What? I'm dead serious. I'm like, I'm not making fun of that. Well, you kind of are. I'm like, no, that's not It's not what the joke is. Anyway, what about people who can't have children? I guess adoption is not a possibility. I'll just say that. But anyway. There was a South Park episode a long, long time ago and I haven't seen it since. This is like a 20-year-old memory but it was about people getting offended and they had a bunch of people in a room and they were saying words and then the people had to press David Van Es, Knapp Arcade.
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    I'm going to have to go back to the last one. Yeah. Well, I just said I'm certainly not making fun of people who can't have children. That's not the case but I'm making a joke and the joke is actually on my kids who would be the most surprised when they saw me post that. What's going on? Anyway, my family members, that's it. You could actually be offended by every single joke possible, even the cleanest jokes ever. Why the chicken crossed the road, Ryan? That's not funny. I had somebody hit by a car. I'm a vegan. I'm a vegan. Yeah, I don't want to. Hey, Jeff, when I was in Hawaii, I'm not sure if we have any Hawaiian listeners. Dave Ponce. Dave Ponce, again. I was on the island of Kauai. I'm pretty sure that's how you say it. One of the small islands. That's where a lot of the Jurassic Park footage came from. And got So we got off the plane, rented a car, went for a little drive and there were chickens crossing the road everywhere Jeff and not in one little town like across the entire island and we we looked it up and apparently in 2018 or 2019 there was a hurricane bad weather event and my understanding I'm sure it's more nuanced and complicated than this is that all the chicken coop stores flung open and the chickens were like we're going to They're free and they ran away and they all like there's just wild chickens everywhere, Jeff. Like you can you can catch it. It's legal to catch them and kill them and eat them. Like you go to the beach and instead of like in Australia it's seagulls that'll come and try and steal your chips. It's just chickens living their best life. And it's actually really wholesome. I really enjoyed seeing chickens versus other birds just ruling the land. There are more chickens than humans on this island. I'm not sure what's going on in the world but when I go to the grocery store I'll see some things in the chicken section that'll say free range chicken. So now I'm assuming they're from Hawaii and these were chickens that were freed and all of a sudden some bastard caught them and now I'm eating them and paying more for it because it had to be shipped from Hawaii? Actually no Jeff, I looked this up and yes it's legal to catch them and kill them but The meat is no good because they're like warrior chickens. They're like properly free-range chickens. Just like think of a muscle-y guy or girl at the gym just like, just full, like their abs and their veins are popping out. You can't see it because they're like fluffy chickens. But these chickens are just too lean and apparently their meat tastes like shit and their eggs Also tastes Like Shit Jeff. So apparently the reason why you like chicken meat and the eggs that we consume is because we just like eating fat and sassy chickens. They're just boring old chickens that just slowly plod around. They're like not worrying about being run over and like dodging hungry Hawaians. So there you go. I assume Paris has shitty tasting chickens too. You might as well add that in there as well, right? Well, they smell like piss, Jeff. Paris, it's a fun place. What do you, what's the number, are you planning to play some pinball there, Jeff? Fuck no, I'm with my wife. No, no, no. And sorry, I'm sure there's great places to play, but I'll have enough pinball in Edmonton the week before and in Austria the week after, so no, I'm doing this. How often will Anne play a game of pinball? I don't remember the last time she played. No, you know what? I've been to a few places, so kind of the way I would do things, like that Germany trip for example, I knew I was going to Germany for I think it was eight, nine days, so I thought, well, I'm going anyway, and why don't you come, and then we went five, six days earlier, and then she left once my tournament started. So that way she doesn't have to play, we spend a little time, which is kind of what I want to do, right? Like I say this, I would love to try David Van Es, Knapp Arcade.
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    It's been over a year and I think in that time she had played maybe two games of pinball but recently I got a Jaws Pro. It just landed in Australia. We're a little bit behind the times here. Just Keith Elwin's latest game, Jaws. And yeah, I had a couple of games of split flipper with her and something in her brain clicked over and all of a sudden now she's really excited to play pinball. I'm going to ask you a question. Is pinball a hobby that everyone can love, or are they just some brains that gravitate to it way more than others? I think yes. Some people will like it more than others. I think for Ann, who's as casual as they come, she likes the older machines. She certainly wouldn't like competitions. Well, the game is over. We're just going to wait until the next game and then we will get back to the next game. So, enjoy the rest of the game. See you guys in the next video. Bye. See you. Bye. See you. Bye. and asking arition as well. Thank you for choosing Canner for C She is the disability Management Manager at're an early如果你 Merchandiser from Kingston.com to meet the distinguishedставля crashedr Happy day I think YouTube because is an amazing thing to be the only group websites are That's way too confusing. That being said, she likes games like Rush because she loves the band Rush. She likes the music, so that's kind of cool, but the game beats you up so quickly that it's probably not fun. Do you ever try Split Flipper with her? It's almost like you have someone teaching you, but they're... Well, I mean, it is. Someone's teaching you how to play. You're watching their Flipper skills in person. You feel like you're a part of it, I think. You know what? That's a great idea. I'll try it. Yeah, give it a go. Let's talk back in two weeks, Jeff. See you. But it's funny, I see a lot of non-IFPA leagues and, you know, there's some here where I live and they'll do things like that. I'm running an event where I'm doing things like gauntlets and have you done a gauntlet before? Uh, okay. Gauntlet is your... So there's five games and on game number one, you have to lock a ball. So, on Game number two you have to hit this bank, drop it down. On the other one you need to hit the scoop or something like that. And it's all time based. But it's chaotic, it's nuts, it's fun. They do it at Indisk a lot. We're doing it at Pimberg. So, only one person can go through the gauntlet at one time, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You start the timer and you stop the timer. Yeah. Fun. That sounds like fun. We are joined byный by Voronikits.
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    av عليه I love a ton of Bolt n out Papa Derous, I had a snapshot like some year, maybe in the 90s, you know, we can do this a couple of times, like 1994. Corvette, Demoman, Guns N' Roses, Maverick, Rescue 911, the Flintstones, World Cup Soccer, WWF, Royal Rumble. Maybe I missed one or two, but those were the eight pinball machines that came out that year. Okay. If they were to come out this year with the current manufacturers or if all of the current Pinball manufacturers existed in 1994 and we had to allocate one pinball machine to one of them. Yeah, so you can't say okay Stern would release these five and JGP the others. It's we have to match up those pinball machines to eight pinball machine manufacturers and the ones I've chosen Stern, JGP, Chicago Gaming, Spooky, I don't know whether to go home pin or American I'm a fan of the American Pinball considering but maybe that one can be the variable. Barrels are fun, multi-morphic and Dutch pinball. Okay, let's take out Home Pin and American and put in Turner. Sure, okay. Pinball. So those are the eight and we'll go top to bottom. The game Corvette, once you pick a manufacturing company, they can't make any other games. You get one. Are we trying to be on the same thing about this or are we doing our own? It's your game. You tell me what you want. Well, let's do our own answers. The after you have to keep track of everything Okay, I got I got a pen. Do we have to start from the top? Holy shit. I was gonna just the worst game
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    Pick the worst game and throw it to oh we took out home pin. I was gonna give it to home pin Well-cut soccer soccer is big in Europe and I feel like it's a Dutch. I'll give it to Dutch. What do you think? Try not to think of World Cup Soccer as it is, just as a theme. They're not producing that pinball machine with the moving target and the spinning ball. You know what? It makes probably more sense because I think that game would sell very well in Europe, but the next World Cup, which I think is next year, is again back in North America. It's in United States, Canada, and Mexico. So it's different. I think the Flinstones is an easy one. I think the Flinstones is a really good match for Spooky Pinball. It's something that they would, is in line with Looney Tunes and Scooby Doo, I think. Hmm. Yeah, I'm going to go a different way for Spooky. I'm going to give Spooky Demoman. Okay. And they'll actually be the seashells on the game. And Spooky will scare the shit out of you when they're actually put to use. Clean your asshole. And they'll also have another like, maybe it's a flipper code or something, where you see the spooky pinball machines of Demoman go to Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Sloan but not Sandra Bullock. I'm giving it a spooky.
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    Subtitles by the Amara.org community and WWF and the companies I have are Stern, Chicago Gamingning, Turner and Multimorphic. I'm gonna give Maverick the movie which is arguably the worst thing. I mean none of these pinball companies now would release that because it's my understanding is they back then tried to release pinball machines with the movie regardless of if they knew the movie was gonna be a hit or not. Hence games like The Flintstones and Congo and Johnny New I'm gonna give it to Turner pinball. I'm gonna give it toTurner Pinball because it's the only license they can afford after Ninko. You're giving Maverick toTurner? Yeah. I'm giving Rescue911 toTurner. Okay. Wait, what is Rescue911? Is that an original thing? It's a Gottlieb game. Oh, I know. I know the game with the helicopter and everything. I just, is this an original thing? Probably, yeah. What company am I missing here? I've got Chicago Gaming. Oh Dutch Multimorphic Multimorphic that what I missing Multimorphic okay WWF Jeff That goes to Stern I giving mine to Stern You got another chance to fic that WrestleMania Subtitles by the Amara community I'm starting to think if I want to give World Cup Soccer to Dutch though. You can't copy me, Jack. No, I'm thinking if I want to take that off, I think Multimorphic actually could do something pretty cool with that. Those things that pop up would be harder to shoot goals. Oh, sorry. Okay. Right? I think I'm switching over to, yeah, they get WorldCup Soccer, Multimorphic, which means Dutch gets something else. Oh, jeez. I can't get Rescue911 because they're not a, uh, 911 isn't a thing in any country except the US. I haven't given my Maverick to anybody yet. Fuck. Who'd you give Maverick to? Uh, Maverick goes to Turner Pinball. I'm giving mine to Barrels. Okay. Barrels are fun. Poor guys. Alright, I'm giving, I'm gonna finish mine off by giving Corvette to Stern Cause whenever they did Mustang, they could do corvette and rescue 911 for no reason just it being the last one goes to Chicago gaming. You can have it in 2027 and you can have the topper in 2029. I'm just trying to see who I have to give corvette to cause I haven't given, I've already got barrels, multimorphic, I guess corvette goes to Dutch which makes no sense for an American car to go to Dutch. That was a mistake. It's the first time we're doing this, Jeff. Next time you can read my message. I did send it. I sent it months ago, Jeff. You had months to prepare for this, not five minutes before we started recording. But let's do a different year next time. In two weeks' time, Jeff. Good for you. What else do we got? I'm not making this up. You haven't been in the States in a long time. Do you know they're trying to make porn illegal? What kind of porn, Jeff? I assume internet porn. Actually, it's the backbone of the American economy. I think there was some, I could be wrong, but something that was in Project 2025 was talking about porn being illegal and stuff like that. And, you know, I don't know what's going on right now. Currently there's negotiations going on, but I just, would you ever buy an iPad if porn was illegal? Like what is the point of an iPad?
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    Oh, I guess you could use it for tournaments and stuff. Oh, I never thought about it. I'm thinking of you. It is easy to clean, Jeff. It is easy to clean. Like if they got rid of Skype, I mean, and if porn's gone and Skype's now gone, does that mean like incognito mode is going to be gone too on your computer? What's the point? You don't need it anymore. Fuck it. Now I'm reading about porn, Jeff. Toma Pettis, Russell S �, Premiseee Papa
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    Jeff Ongil 말�myjne, Ella Casuse, Timler leaving I'm going to go to the next one. It was funny as hell. It's an old one. I don't know if you've ever seen it. It's called National Lampoon's Vacation. Chevy Chase, have you ever seen it? There's a bunch of them, isn't there? There's more than one. Yeah, yeah. But this is the original one. I think I've watched them all at least 10 times but I couldn't tell you. Yeah, yeah. There's a scene where Rusty meets his cousin and he's like, do you have Pacman? No. Do you have space savers? No. Do you have asteroids? No, but my dad does. It's hard to get off the toilet. What do you do around here for fun? He goes, I'll show you. And he goes to his room and he grabs a stack of like old Playboys and magazines of that nature. And he's like, wow, this is great. You want to sign? No, I cherish these. What do you mean you cherish them? What do you do with them? You ever bop your baloney? And the kids rushes like what? And I remember because that movie came out in 1982 and I was 12 and I didn't get the joke. What? Bop your baloney. Right over my head. But that's what porn used to be like back in the day. Like they said in the movie This Is the End, you'd have to use magazines and stuff like that. It jerked off like a pilgrim. Yeah. Society had...ah, geez, that just made me remember the first time I attempted to buy a porn mag. I can't remember how old I was. I think I was maybe 13 or 14. 16 for me. DR. WILL RAFFLEай See-ya thing to come . Anyway, Jeff, we're talking about horny 13-year-old Ryan. Yep. There was a corner store. Strixon Sparrow's Pinball Machine? Tiny.
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    This is after that, Jeff. That was the gateway drug. Yeah, I remember I was really nervous. I walked into this store before and I'd seen them right there next to the counter. And I remember I went there and I had a couple of dollars and I was sweating bullets. I was like, if they ask me, I'm going to say that I'm 18 years old and they're probably going to ask me, you know, what year was I born? And I'm going to say like 1978 or whatever the mass was. And I clearly like had just gone through puberty. Like I was nowhere near 18. And, um, and I walked in and I got the magazine and I put it on the counter and I was shaking and she was like, $5 please. And I was like, oh, didn't even like she I clearly knew I was underage, but you know, it was a little tiny business. They didn't give a shit. Did you buy a six pack of beer and some smokes and some lotto tickets while you're at it, too? McLovin, my name is McLovin. No, that's all I wanted was to see, to see the female form. I was, I was disgusted, Jeff. This is not what I thought it was gonna be. I think I bought, um, what was the, it was Playboy and then there was the dirtier one. Was it Hustler? Is that what it was called? There was Penthouse, Hustler and I have no idea. Penthouse, Penthouse. I think it was Penthouse. Maybe. I don't know. It was too much. There was too much. I'd seen Hollywood Nudity and that was what I was expecting, like Playboy stuff. I opened it up and I was like, oh, is that what it looks like? This is yucky. I'm going to throw this for me. I was not ready for it, Geoff. You were 16, Geoff. I think you once mentioned your first, what is the medical term, erection, was watching Strikes and Spares Pinball, the backlash. You've said that story before many times. I don't know, but I knew something was exciting. In the old days they had this Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. I think they still do it. And I'll never forget, her name was Paulina Porzakova. She later married Rick Ocasek of The Cars, the lead singer. Rest in peace. And she was on the cover and I was like, ooh, that's kind of doing something. And then a few years later, she was on the cover of a Playboy magazine. I'm like, okay, I'm fucking doing it. I'm going to buy one of these damn things. I'm going to do it. Paulina Porzakova. You got to look circa 1983. I'm typing Paulina Porzakova Playboy. I'm going to visualize me being 16-year-old Jeff. I think it was blue. I think if I remember the cover. This is great. I'm not going to be a perv on this podcast. Don't worry about that. This is more of a joke of my character. I also was like you, sweating like I wasn't really worried about the age because I don't think he had to be a perv. Hey there. I'm like, I don't care. Money not well spent. But the point is, I went in and I was like, okay, I just can't go on and buy that. And I bought all kinds of other shit like, yeah, can I get a loaf of bread? I need a butter. I should probably get some breath mints and oh, a bag of chips looks good. And a Playboy. So, I mean, the guy didn't give a shit. He just wanted the sale. I'm like, oh yeah, you put it in a bag. I'm like, do you have a brown paper bag as opposed to a plastic one where everyone can see it? So, raced home, ripped through it, disappointed, but couldn't get rid of the evidence. Where am I going to throw this thing out? I mean, I could walk miles away, but someone will trace it back to me. Not that there's DNA or anything on it. I'm just saying, like, I was just nervous. So, what I did, I had all these vinyl albums, General Manager, Robert Chivlulk, нал Va,
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    Faculty poisoned it. !!Thiledots controlling it! You know what that is funny, I know I'm sure toss the magazine, but I bet I have the album somewhere in my attic. Who knows anyway long story for a small joke. Sorry. No, it was good. I like the idea of you, you know, beefing up the sales. So, you know the attendance is like, well, I shouldn't let this little shit buy this but
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    I'm gonna miss out on $30 worth of worthless items that he doesn't actually need. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding. Jeff, I just have to open the door. Give me one sec. Sure. Yeah, I remember I had the same problem, Jeff, of not knowing where to put it and having that moment of realization that I hadn't foreplanned this enough and throwing it over my backyard fence into the local paddock. It was my first memory of littering. I was like, I'm being I'm not saying I'm a bad person, but the ramifications of anyone finding this is worse than this decomposing in a couple of weeks. When you're young, the fear is getting caught doing whatever you do when you're young. When you're older, like we are, and you become parents, the fear is catching your kids doing what you did when you were kids. So, I don't, I mean, you have daughters, I have sons. I had to give them a talk. I'm not, we're not going there. I just had to have the talk with them as they got to their teens. I'm like, hey, just, the talk was more about cleaning up. We've had the episode curtains before. We don't need to get into that. I'm all about the cleaning up when I was young, Jeff. Oh, no. You're treated like a Paris street. That's why it smells, Jeff, because I went there and I just painted the fucking town. Anyway, let's not get into that. That's unlocked for our Patreon episodes, Jeff, once we build this up. On that note, should we call this an episode, Jeff? I'll work on getting this on Spotify and all the other lovely places people listen to podcasts. Yes, sounds like a great idea. Thanks for listening. The truth is your girlfriend just showed up and you don't want her hearing what we just talked about. I don't, she just rocked up at the end of that conversation and I have no idea if she knows that I'm talking about 13 year old Ryan masturbating into a magazine and throwing over his pants. I do want to say thanks for listening, thanks for finding us again. We're back and I'm impressed. No birds this episode. Yeah, they're all dead. I've closed some windows. I've closed the windows. I'm indoors. No privacy from the rest of the house, but yes. There were some shitty tasting chickens, but hey, there were no birds in this episode. That's good. Find all of our links on finalroundpinball.com. Email us at finalroundpinball at gmail.com. We will read out your mail in the mail ball bag. We did have- We can't call it mail ball bag. That's slam tilt. Oh, that was an accident. That was a, I didn't even realize I said that. Sorry. In the final... We have a mail sack. The big dirty sack. Alright, I apologize Bruce and I apologize Ron. I will... Stealing Slam Tilt content, that was a head to head thing. We would no longer steal any... Saying that Jeff, I don't listen to all the podcasts out there. So I if I if we do steal something it's purely because I've accidentally come up with the same idea as somebody else.
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    Yeah, not because I'm... This show is completely original. So let's do market trends right now. Hey, we're not part of the pinball network anymore. Does that mean that we can have a sponsor that isn't flipping out pinball? Oh no, we couldn't do that. Flippin' Out Pinball's the best. Buy all of your pinballs from Zach Mennie and Greg Bone and all the people there because they're amazing. I do, hey, I do want to thank Zach and Dennis and everybody who put together the Pinball Network. It was fun. You got to hear a lot of different podcasters, many of them still doing it, good streamers that I still follow. So it was an introduction, gateway drug to a lot of good pinball content. I still support and thank Zach for everything he did to get us on air and get me to talk to my Australian friends and maybe once and twice remind people about how good I am a player in Australia but it would never have been possible without the Pinball Network so that's good. Alright, good night. I believe you made someone buy a perk of not being able to mention that and then you just ignored it after a while. Did I? Greg Stilvey, ask for a refund if you're listening, Greg. This is bullshit. I think I wasn't allowed to mention the specific tournament. I just have now generalized it. There was a fine print. I found a legal one. You've maneuvered your way around it. You've maneuvered. All right. Later, bud. See you, Jeff. Bye. It's the final round.
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    The final round.