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Episode 252 – Artificial Intelligence

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 42m·analyzed·Jul 11, 2025
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TL;DR

Harry Potter AI art scandal and Predator game licensing/technical concerns discussed.

Summary

Ron and Bruce discuss Jersey Jack Pinball's Harry Potter AI artwork controversy and Pinball Brothers' Predator release. The Harry Potter dragon artwork contains obvious AI-generation artifacts (third eye, misaligned features) that appear in production games despite being corrected in promotional materials. Jack Guarneri initially denied AI use; the artist later admitted it. On Predator, licensing restrictions prevent Arnold Schwarzenegger's likeness/face despite having his body and voice available; the gameplay footage shows technical issues (excessive backlight flashing, unexplained jackpot triggers) and minimal use of licensed movie assets.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack used AI filtering on Harry Potter playfield artwork without disclosure

    high confidence · Artist Jesper Abels admitted AI use on Tilt Forums; dragon has visible AI artifacts (third eye, misaligned neck, one-sided teeth)

  • Jack Guarneri initially stated no AI was used, later said 'we are thinking about it but not right now'

    high confidence · Colin of Pinball Kinetic System confirmed Jack's denial; Jack later contradicted himself

  • Promotional materials show corrected dragon artwork while production games have defective AI-generated art

    high confidence · Hosts confirmed promotional art dragon 'looks normal' while production CE samples show third eye and neck deformities

  • Warner Brothers approved the Harry Potter artwork despite AI quality issues

    high confidence · Hosts discuss WB approval process; suggest WB doesn't look closely at artwork, referencing recent Beetlejuice/other licensed releases

  • Predator game cannot feature Arnold Schwarzenegger's face due to ongoing legal dispute between Arnold and Disney

    high confidence · Hosts explain 20th Century Fox/Disney acquisition created licensing restriction; Arnold's likeness unavailable for Predator despite being used extensively on Terminator 3

  • Predator gameplay footage leaked by Nitro Pinball showing Arnold's face violated NDA according to Pinball Brothers

    high confidence · Hosts confirm NDA violation claim; leaked footage showed Arnold saying 'get to the chopper' with full face visible versus official footage with head cut off and impersonator voice

  • Predator has excessive backlight flashing that obscures playfield visibility during multiball

    medium confidence · Host reports watching gameplay footage where 'whole field's just blanking in and out with backlights' making shots unclear

  • Pinball Brothers marketing upgrade to Williams flippers/pop bumpers implicitly admits previous flipper design was inferior

    medium confidence · Hosts interpret marketing messaging as admission that 'old flippers suck' by emphasizing upgrade to Williams components

Notable Quotes

  • “the dragon and if you look at him he's got like a third eye in the side of his face brown eye where it's supposed to be like i don't know an ear hole or something and he only has teeth on one side of his mouth yes he does it just and it looks bad bad and it is very obvious ai”

    Bruce @ ~2:30 — Core description of Harry Potter dragon AI artifacts; establishes visual evidence of problem

  • “the stuff that's screwed up in the actual game is fine in the promo art. That's the part I don't understand”

    Ron @ ~3:45 — Highlights the bizarre discrepancy between promotional and production artwork quality

  • “the statement itself was written in ai yeah to me i'm reading it like this sounds like it's like hello like you went to ai apology letter”

    Bruce @ ~7:30 — Claims the artist's admission statement itself was AI-generated; suggests ironic/careless response

  • “he should have said i don't know let me find out for you and then a couple days later after getting the answers You put a statement out from Jersey Jack Pinball saying, we regret that there was AI used”

    Ron @ ~9:15 — Suggests better crisis management approach; implies Jack should have been honest rather than defensive

  • “if you have this license and you know you can't use arnold do you do it why the fuck do you do it”

    Ron @ ~22:00 — Questions why Pinball Brothers pursued Predator license knowing Arnold Schwarzenegger was unavailable

  • “I swear to you, it spins like three times and stops dead. And my soul, I lost my soul right there, just died.”

    Bruce @ ~28:45 — Describes technical concern with Predator spinner responsiveness from gameplay footage

  • “by saying that, aren't you basically saying that your old flippers suck? Suck. Yes. Isn't that literally what you're saying?”

    Ron @ ~32:00 — Critiques Pinball Brothers marketing strategy of advertising Williams flipper upgrade

Entities

Harry PottergameJersey Jack PinballcompanyJack GuarneripersonJesper AbelspersonPredatorgamePinball BrotherscompanyArnold Schwarzeneggerperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Harry Potter delay attributed to having to redo marketing materials; promotional art shows corrected dragon while production games contain AI artifacts, suggesting file management or approval process failure

    medium · Hosts reference Pinball News report of marketing material delay; speculation about wrong file version being used in production versus corrected promo files

  • ?

    community_signal: Harry Potter AI disclosure occurred on Tilt Forums (tournament player community) rather than Pinside, unusual venue for this type of issue

    low · Hosts note 'tilt forums which tilt tilt forums is usually more the tournament crowd' as 'not overly busy' venue for controversy

  • ?

    business_signal: Jack Guarneri initially denied AI use ('no'), then contradicted himself saying 'we are thinking about it but not right now'; artist's admission statement may have been AI-generated itself

    high · Colin of Pinball Kinetic System confirmed denial; artist statement tone analysis; hosts note 'worst answer you can give'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Predator licensed assets (movie clips, music) claimed but minimally used in-game; notable Arnold lines (Get to the chopper, arm/muscle mechanic) appear missing or underutilized

    medium · Hosts note Predator has 'way more assets than Jurassic Park' but 'not going to use it the proper way'; limited clips visible in gameplay footage

  • ?

    leak_detection: Nitro Pinball released gameplay footage on Facebook showing Arnold's face/full voice that violated Pinball Brothers NDA; official footage subsequently showed censored version

Transcript

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0:00
Can I help you, fellas? Uh, some kids, like, keyed your truck. My brand new truck? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we saw them run down the street. They took your chain, too. Yeah. You can probably catch them if you get in your truck and go, like, really fast that way. Well, then that's exactly what I'm going to do. It's probably those two damn boys, Buford and Bernardo. Uh, yeah. Probably. Yeah, it was Bernardo.
0:44
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Hello.
0:55
Hello. we missed the third hello but this is episode 252 and bruce is back from his cruise yep vacation over yeah yeah it's it's over because i sent him i sent him the notes show notes for all and i i filed i filed them right under g g for garbage oh okay we just wing it Well, I assume you're familiar with some of this stuff. I hope so. I think I've been in the hobby more than five years, Ron, so I get a lot to talk about this stuff. That's right, baby. You've been in the hobby more than five years, baby, so you are a true American dream. All right. Let's just start right off. Yep. I got my first note here. Harry Potter AI gate.
1:52
Aye, aye, aye. It does look like shit. What do you think? Okay. Well, first, a little background. Even though I'm sure every other podcast has already covered this. Plugged the shit out of it.
2:04
Yeah. So I'm getting this from the Pinball Kinetic System going through his article because he has the most stuff on it. Basically, some dude that I've never seen before popped up on Tilt Forums, of all things. Yeah, I know. which tilt tilt forums is usually more the tournament crowd and yes it's not overly busy uh but this guy showed up and he just starts posting that yeah they used ai on harry potter artwork and he starts uh posting examples and have you seen the examples oh yeah i saw the example now some of them are nitpicky i think he would have been better off if he just showed the freaking dragon oh i know is that because that's so on on the play field there is this dragon and if you look at him he's got like a third eye in the side of his face brown eye where it's supposed to be like i don't know an ear hole or something and he only has teeth on one side of his mouth yes he does it just and it looks bad bad and it is very obvious ai yeah i mean it you didn't need me or anyone to say that it was ai because it was bad it was bad okay bad other things like i like the uh the big ben with a second hand yeah god i didn't know that was out there that's a nice option to have screwed up train tracks windows that are all kinds of crazy sizes. Yeah. It's just rushed.

“They're supposed to be... The only thing I saw was what's his name? The Governator getting shot in the torso. Yeah. The other guy coming by and going, no!”

Ron @ ~26:30 — Notes minimal use of available movie clips/assets in Predator despite claiming extensive licensing

  • “don't buy early. Okay. As we've always told you, wait to play. Wait to play. Wait to see it. I think me and Ron have been saying this for nine years.”

    Bruce @ ~18:30 — Long-standing podcast advice to community regarding pre-orders and early purchases

  • “if this is your dream theme and this is your showstopper for the dream theme, box it up, put it on pin side, take the hit, run away”

    Ron @ ~20:00 — Practical advice for buyers dissatisfied with Harry Potter artwork quality

    • Nitro Pinball
    person
    Disneycompany
    Ron Hallettperson
    Bruce Nightingaleperson
    Colin of Pinball Kinetic Systemperson
    Tilt Forumsorganization
    Pinball Newsorganization
    Steve Ritchieperson
    Warner Brotherscompany
    Williams Electronicscompany
    20th Century Foxcompany
    Southern Fried Gaming Expoevent
    Jurassic Parkgame

    high · Hosts confirm Pinball Brothers stated NDA violation; leaked footage showed Arnold saying 'get to the chopper' with face visible versus official head-cut version

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Warner Brothers approved Harry Potter artwork despite obvious AI quality defects; suggests IP approval process lacks rigor or visual vetting standards

    medium · Hosts note WB approval occurred; compare to recent Beetlejuice/other WB releases with similar quality concerns

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Arnold Schwarzenegger unavailable for Predator due to ongoing legal dispute between Arnold and Disney (post-Fox acquisition); leaked NDA footage showed Arnold's face/voice violation

    high · Hosts explain Disney/Fox acquisition impact; Nitro Pinball NDA violation confirmed; official footage shows head-cut Arnold impersonator versus leaked full-face footage

  • $

    market_signal: Pinball Brothers marketing Williams flipper upgrade as premium feature implicitly admits previous flipper design was inferior

    medium · Hosts interpret messaging as 'basically saying your old flippers suck'; contrasts with Jersey Jack's quieter approach to flipper upgrades on Godfather

  • ?

    community_signal: Artist Jesper Abels likely 'burning that bridge' with admission of AI use; unclear if will continue in pinball art community after this disclosure

    low · Hosts speculate 'i honestly think he's burning that bridge buddy' regarding future pinball art opportunities

  • ?

    product_concern: Predator gameplay exhibits excessive backlight flashing during multiball that obscures playfield visibility; spinner mechanical responsiveness criticized as sluggish

    medium · Host describes watching gameplay footage with 'whole field blanking in and out'; spinner 'spins three times and stops dead'

  • ?

    product_concern: Harry Potter playfield features obvious AI-generation artifacts (dragon with third eye, misaligned features, incorrect teeth) visible across all production runs despite corrected promotional artwork

    high · Visual documentation of defects on playfield; artist admission of AI use; discrepancy between promo and production art

  • ?

    product_strategy: Harry Potter production delay may extend timeline for next Stern game (Maverick); Jack Guarneri told Pinball News 'probably' regarding continued production demands

    medium · Hosts reference Pinball News interview; speculation that Steve Ritchie gets 'more time to perfect Maverick' due to Harry Potter extending production

    • 3:42
    And guess what? Hold on before you say anything else. Uh-huh. Warner Brothers approved of it. So guess what?
    3:50
    They don't look very closely? Yeah, exactly. Well, here's the thing. Look at the turns they've put out lately. Boo Beetle, all this other shit, you know. Well, here's where it gets confusing to me. So when before the game came out, if you remember It might have been our last episode. We talked about this. The game is supposed to be out in May. Yes. But there was a delay. Delay. And according to Pinball News, what they heard was that they had to redo the marketing materials, which is interesting because in the marketing materials for this game, the dragon looks normal. Yeah. He's not screwed up. Actually. Nope. Yeah. The stuff that's screwed up in the actual game is fine in the promo art.
    4:37
    That's the part I don't understand because at first I thought, okay, so they fixed it, and maybe it's just the sample games. Because the first set of games that came out were all CEs, and they were display samples. They even have a plaque on them that says something like sample or display model or whatever the hell it says. So I figured, okay, maybe only those are screwed up. But when the actual production games start coming out, they'll be fine. They'll be great. No, but they all have the screwed up dragons. They're also like shit. I don't understand that. How is the promotional art correct?
    5:12
    That dragon looks too normal. We need to fuck it up a little bit, so let's fuck it up the right way and get some little AI in there so it makes more money for us. I mean, if anything, your promo art doesn't match your actual game art. False advertising. Of course, in the old days when they had the flyers, they'd always be of sample games or prototypes. Yeah. It would usually look different than the actual production. But it was just so weird to me. So Colin of the Pinball Kineticist, he actually got a hold of Jack, Jack Guarneri. Yep. And just asked him, he's an AR. Was AR used? And he said no. No, of course not. Of course not. We are thinking about it, but not right now.
    5:53
    Oops. Well, then the actual artist, was it Jesper Abels? I'm probably saying that wrong. He went on, he took forums on the same thread. Yep. And basically had a statement where he said, yeah, they used AI. Yep. Oopsie, we did.
    6:15
    But the thing is, if you read the whole statement, I'm not going to read the whole statement, but if you read it, it's on Tilt Forums. the statement itself was written in ai yeah to me i'm reading it like this sounds like it's like hello like you went to ai apology letter uh to blah blah blah blah you know two assholes who made fun of me about my artwork gotcha it basically looks like it's like you take a photograph and then you run it past this ai filter to make it look painted yeah and it just did some weird shit to it oh it did a lot of weird crap i proving boys and girls yet that ai is not ready to take over the world quite yet well the thing is i mean i'm in it we use ai all the time oh everyone does if you don't use ai you're gonna you're behind you're gonna be replaced by ai yeah you're behind but it's just i like you use ai say use ai to write a letter or something you review it after it's done to make sure like okay oh yeah it's all correct i don't see how this gets through and obviously that the promo art is fixed so did they re-screw it up later i'm so confused hey what file is that name yeah is it with the ai is the wrong file oh shit the one dated the 12th the 12th of what ah it says just says the 12th guys looking at it going oh there's no 12th but there's a 14th i'll go with that one fuck i i don't it's just so weird i don't get it i don't get it and i was dumbfounded saying how it's you know all hand-drawn art which i mean the what is it the mina lima the ce like cabinet art is hand-drawn yeah and it's terrible and uh i like it i like it bruce hates it everyone else seems to like it but uh not everyone some people have said most people seem to like it but bruce is usual he's got to be bruce no so the
    8:21
    oh he's got to be so different so contrarian but the uh i guess the cabinet has some screwed up stuff in it too yes it does i i'm just i just a dragon i look at the dragon and i can't look away from its third eye.
    8:39
    And its neck is all screwed up, too. I'm playing pinball at, oh, my God, look at that. There you drain. Fuck!
    8:46
    Here's the thing. Not a lot of tournaments. The pin side posts are hilarious. People are like, I just got my CE, but, I mean, they need to fix this. I'm sending it back. Good luck with that, pal. Good luck. Let's all write into Warner Brothers and complain. Oh, yeah, let's write into Warner Brothers and try to get them in trouble. You fucking idiots. They're the ones that approved it. Or did they? Did they approve the fixed art and then the wrong file got out there? Who knows? I mean, I don't think we're ever going to hear anything about this. No, we'll never hear anything again because guess what? They're not going to. Well, here's the thing. They were at the Southern Fried Gaming Expo with a bunch of these games, which I believe had their screwed up art, and there was a seminar. and this is after this was already a known thing and no one asked anything at the seminar.
    9:40
    We need to get the American Dream down there and fucking get the answers for us. The American Dream. What's the matter, baby? You're taking work away from American, hardworking Americans, baby, with the AI. The AI is killing us. You're replaced by AI, baby.
    9:58
    Guess what? I have no care in the world about this because guess what i didn't buy the machine not yet no i'm probably i don't think kathy did not like kathy wants to play it so the first chance we get to play it well the first chance get to play it there is one upstate new york now oh no yes and where is that it's closer to you oh it's a utica utica all right yes utica utica has a harry potter harry potter for one month oh okay for one month for one month so what do you think about using ai for the art overall well i love it for the cartoons on pornhub i mean i'm sorry uh wrong wrong well i'm sure it's more than there's more ai art out there oh there's probably that's already been used totally is that's all i don't think there's anything saying there isn't uh they're the first ones that just got caught with their pants down with something so obvious yeah that is so bad that you're gonna say and then your owner well it's not really the the or your main representative the guy the name you know the company's named after is saying it's not jack jack stop talking yeah stop jack oh yeah it's the other thing about the apology that the uh the artist made it really wasn't an apology it's like it's exactly what i wanted we use this and management didn't know about it so it's like okay way to take the hit yeah so he's taking the hit do you think he's getting more jobs no pinball art no you know not at all he's he's burning that bridge buddy i mean i honestly i i honestly think jack did not necessarily lie i don't think he knew but he's just gonna say like no we did not use this but don't say stuff like that when you don't know you when you don't know yeah just say let me find out about this and i'll get back to you and i'll get you the right answer because i do not know that's that's an easy way to say it i don't want to speak what i don't know about let me find out thank you that's all i had to say some people might go oh he's gonna try to find out guess what he got called out anyway he got called out in the worst way because he was wrong if he said yes it's you know if he said yes it's ai they would have said oh he's known about us all along there was no win situation but the the answer that he gave was the worst answer you can give which was no he should have said i don't know let me find out for you and then a couple days later after getting the answers You put a statement out from Jersey Jack Pinball saying, we regret that there was AI used in this, but unfortunately, this is the way it is. All games will be this way. None will be refunded. Thank you very much. So you think it will be that way? You don't think they're going to make it? Oh, no way. Use the fixed artwork that's actually on their promotional materials. You would be bankrupt.
    13:09
    Bankrupt. because once you do that, let's just say they've released 400 of these machines. Are you going to give out 400 free play fields? Well, no. Of course not. So guess what? Are you going to do what Jack did before and try to sell them a play field at half price?
    13:26
    Possibly. I can see Jack doing that because, you know, they've done this in the past. But you don't think during the run they're going to fix the art? No. So you think it's going to be the – it's called the derpy dragon? The derpy dragon. Yep, because that truly says we fucked up and now we admit to it. Remember. And then you're going to have more people flipping out. You ooze, you loose. Yeah, I know. Does anyone remember that? Yes, I do. Spidey man. Spiderman. If you look in the back of any Spiderman, well, the original run. The original runs, runs, it's two. Yeah. Did they fix that or did they call it like a different mode in the. On the back. I don't remember. I thought they called it different. They had different names. Yeah, they had different names for them, so it didn't matter on that. But on the back panel of Spider-Man, it's supposed to be you ooze, you lose. Lose. But they spelled lose wrong. Yep, and it stayed that whole way. Yep, the whole run, even when they did, like, the LEs, which were done after the pros. After, a year later. Well, there was no pros. After the regular models. Yeah, regular models. It still was wrong. Yep. So guess what? You stick to your guns. You say, guess what? This is what happens. Everyone's the same. Nobody's going to be special.
    14:39
    That's what the play field is. If you don't like it, sell your game. I'm going to be honest. Do you think it hurts their sales in any way? Oh, yeah, totally. You do? I don't think it hurts their sales in any way. No, I think so. If you're on the edge, would you spend $14,000 for this game? Is it a 15? With the AIR it is. The CE is 15. Okay, so $15,000. Would you pay $15,000 plus shipping to get this game with that artwork? Here's what I think. Majority of the people buying this game, contrary to what they'll have you believe, are not on Pinside and don't know anything about this. So I don't think they will give a shit. No. They're going to say, look, it has all the characters. Ooh, it's got all the voices. Now, for the people on Pinside, maybe. But, like I said, when I see people saying, we're going to have to send me a new play field or I haven't opened up my game yet because, you know, it's going to be like, yeah, okay. Go return it then. Guess what? Yeah, yeah. Good luck with that. Return it. Somebody else will buy it. Yeah. But it will discourage people who are on the edge.
    15:46
    Now, would you, as I said to you, Ron, would you buy this game for $15,000 or $12,000 with that artwork?
    15:54
    If I was a Harry Potter fan, yes. Yes. Now, you're not a Harry Potter fan, but the thing shoots awesome. Best playing pin you ever shoot. It blows away Elton John. Yeah, then it wouldn't matter.
    16:06
    Okay. So there you go. You just answered your own question. Oh, yeah. Well, that was my answer to my question that it will not affect sales in any way. But I think it will for some people. Maybe so. Because you already hear it. You already hear the crybabies out there. Guess what? I'm going to call you crybabies. Well, I'm wondering if people are like – That's why you don't go in the first run of anything. If they fix the art, then I have an earlier one, so I can sell it for more later. Yeah, I got a rare version. Yeah, so that'll be out like when they sell it on Pinside. I have the early fucked up art version. Rare. Or the smoky trans.
    16:41
    Oh, ACDC? Yeah, I have one of those. I have the smoky trans light. Not trans light. The smoky window. Window. Yes, I have the smoky window. It simulates hell. Yeah, but guess what?
    16:53
    You would probably sell that tomorrow and be up on money and be fine. It's all, will it hurt resale? Who knows? But guess what? If you don't like the game or you don't like the artwork, you're not going to get it. You're not going to get a new version of it. Sorry. No. You're not. That would just bankrupt because then you say you admit that you're wrong. If you keep it all the same, people are just going to say this is what it is.
    17:21
    This is what it is. You're stuck with it. But it's a game that we produced. We made a lot of. people are loving it, whatever. I don't know. I think they're going to make a ton of these. I think they're going to run longer than Avatar. Yeah, I think. Pinball News asked Jack straight up, like,
    17:41
    is this going to delay your next game as far as, like, will you keep doing it? And he basically said probably. I think those are his exact words. Probably. So Steve Ritchie is going to get more time to perfect Maverick or whatever the hell it's going to be. Yeah.
    17:59
    It better play Highway to the Danger Zone on there. If that is the case. Headed on the town to the danger zone.
    18:10
    But, yeah, so honestly, if you're not happy, sell your game. If you don't mind it, keep your game. It's no skin off of three-quarters of the people out there. It really isn't. The only thing is, I'm going to tell you this. buyer beware wait until you get the game or see people with games in hand don't keep on funneling money to companies that give you shit in the beginning and it's been happening more and more lately we've been getting a lot more jersey jack was they were accepting or they had um distributors were accepting money for this like before before it was even at like the pictures were even out Yes. These are the people who couldn't, you know, they want to be, I want to be the first one in the state that owns this game. Guess what?
    18:58
    Happy, happy, happy birthday. Which makes no sense in this case because there's no limits. I know. That's the thing. You could actually wait this time. Tap the fucking brakes. That's the problem.
    19:10
    People have too much money to go dispose. We can't all be as reasonable as hubris. No, you can't. That's the problem. You know, you just got to use Bruce logic here. Yeah, imagine if you put $15,000 over a fire pit and you're going to pull the lever to open the gate on the bottom and dump $15,000 in the fire. If you're willing to do that, go buy yourself a Jersey Jack.
    19:35
    Wow. Okay. Because guess what? People, you know, if you're not going to be happy with it, it's not going to change. You have to keep these companies accountable. and we've gotten a lot of shit for a lot of games lately and you make changes with the dollar with your sales and they haven't been selling that great some of these companies avatar yeah john wick x-men dungeon and dragons has done a little better yeah but it's not a great Yeah, but it's not a great seller's. Well, the whole market isn't that great right now. It's very soft. It's soft. It is soft. Yes. You puny man. Oh, yeah. We'll get into that game next. But I'm talking, you know, don't keep on putting out money until you see the game. You touch the game. You play the game. Touch it. When am I going to get to touch this game? I'm trying to think. Maybe it'll be a pen burn. A good year ago. If not, then the Beast maybe. If not, then Expo. The Beast, you will. They have one at the Beast.
    20:49
    Well, that's where we'll be. We'll both be on location for the Beast. On location. Live on location. Is that enough of Harry Potter AI gate? I don't give a shit if it is or isn't. Honestly, it's just... You don't care if that's it? I mean, do you want more? No, the problem is this, you know, if you want to cry about it, go cry on Pinside about it because that's what you're going to get. Does it look like shit? Yes, it looks totally like shit. Is it acceptable?
    21:23
    It's to the owner's, you know, judgment. It really is. If you don't think it's acceptable. I think most people won't even notice it. Exactly.
    21:34
    You know, just deal with it. But if this is your dream theme and this is your showstopper for the dream theme, box it up, put it on pin side, take the hit, run away. Run away. If this is the dream theme and this is the dream theme you wanted and you can deal with it, enjoy the game. Wow, what a novel idea. I'm going to go flip my Harry Potter. Oh, I can't because it's ugly play field. Oh, my God. Stop. It's not like it's chipping or anything. Well, not yet. I know. It could be worse. It could be chipping. It is miracle.
    22:11
    It is. Look, my dragon face is chipping. Hey, it's better. It's a new version. That's true. If it chips right where that third eye is, boom, problem solved. Problem solved. Get a decal. Get a sticker. Put a sticker over it. That's it. Put a sticker over the dragon with another dragon. That looks better. There you go. I don't know what to say to you except for don't buy early. Okay. As we've always told you, wait to play. Wait to play. Wait to see it.
    22:42
    I think me and Ron have been saying this for nine years. I'll wait. Yeah, I'll wait. I'll wait till your mouth comes down. I think the only game I bought unseen was Family Guy. All right. That's right. We're totally into the theme, weren't you? Yes, totally. That's right, Peter.
    23:05
    That's absolutely a wonderful game. I'll have my own play field in it. Did you know that? I did not know that.
    23:11
    But, yeah, so I don't know what to say anything else about AI. Just suck it up if you like the theme. Did you hear that? That's the dead horse we're beating. I know because Jesus Christ. Wait a minute. How's he talking if he's dead? Whoa. I know. He's a ghost horse. It's a ghost. it's casper the friendly horse the dead horse you know the ghost of mr ed all right well i will well um so i did my onload impersonation which is perfect for the next thing we are going to talk about yeah do you know what game i'm not in yeah i know predator i'm not in the game and i I look at the play field, and it just flashes all over the place. I don't know. It's all flashing lights. That's all it is. This whole reveal was just like, oh, God. Oh, it's a shit show. I saw the latest video that they put out with Multiball. Well, hold on. So, okay.
    24:10
    Predator came out. It did? It did. Pinball Brothers launched Predator. Is that from the TV show, you know, to catch a Predator? where they're... No, no, no, no. God.
    24:26
    I heard there's a 16-year-old girl here. No, it's not from that. It's Predator. Did you know she was 16 and you were talking to her sexy or nothing? It's Predator, the all-time classic film from 1987, which I saw in the theater because I'm old.
    24:45
    Even though at the very beginning of the movie they give away that the Predator is from another planet by showing him arriving. Yes. That was the one thing I didn't get in that movie.
    24:54
    Well, because it was for people who were just like, I guess that's where he came from. They released the game, and it has assets.
    25:05
    It's not the right assets. Well, it has more assets than Jurassic Park. Oh, yeah, totally. What does Jurassic Park have? Think about it. It's got the theme song, Nedry, which is what? Nedry. Like maybe four or five quotes and his likeness on the play field. You get no clips, nothing from the movie at all. Nope, nope. And everyone loves the game. And everyone loves it, but that is Elwin. So you've got to remember that also. Yes, that's exactly why. With Predator, there's kind of one thing that – well, there's two things you'd absolutely want to have. Number one is Predator you know the Predator itself And the other would be Arnold Schwarzenegger And a choppa And you got the choppa And it's not like Arnold hasn't been in games. He's been in three. Yes, I know. I guess the deal is there is an ongoing. Four or three? Three. Okay. Terminator 2, Terminator 3, and The Last Action Hero. The Last Action Hero, yeah. And it's funny that they can't have him anywhere in the game. When on Terminator 3, he's on there like 20 times. It's absurd the amount of times he's on that game. But the thing is, I guess there is an ongoing legal issue going because Predator was by 20th Century Fox. They got bought out by Disney. So there's some kind of issue between Arnold and Disney going on. So you can't use this likeness in that movie for like anything, not just pinball. So the chances of this, him ever being on the game to me, are zero because this has been going on for a while. so that my question is if if you have this license and you know you can't use arnold do you do it why the fuck do you do it so that the way they approached it is like you are arnold you are dutch but the thing that really confused people with this they reveal the game and you see the artwork and you see none of the people around the game none none of the the cast is on the game But they said, like, we have all the movie clips. We have the music. We can use Arnold's body, kind of.
    27:09
    Then we get more clarification in that, okay, we can't – well, actually, before that, they said we can't use close-ups of Arnold. Yes. And we can't use Billy at all.
    27:22
    But then what really got confusing is I think it was Nitro Pinball on their Facebook. they released gameplay footage that I don't know. I don't think they were supposed to release or anything. Pinball Brothers later came back and said there was a violation of NDA. Like that shouldn't have been out there. But in this footage, you see the beginning of Get to the Chopper multiball where they show Arnold. You see his face. It's his actual voice. He's saying the line, oh, get to the chopper. And you're like, what's the problem? What's the problem? This looks great. All right. Okay, I was worried about the no Arnold thing, but, I mean, clearly, there he is. Yeah, we're sold. Yeah, but then they had the official gameplay footage where Arnold's, like, head is cut off, so you can't see his face, and they have an Arnold impersonator doing the voice. Yeah. So it's like, jump to the top. Like, oh, God, no. It's bad. It's bad, bad. It's bad. And it's like, no, no. and they have everything. They have the music. They have all these other clips that they can use. And they barely use it. And they barely use the clips as far as I saw. The only thing I saw was what's his name? The Governator getting shot in the torso. Yeah. The other guy coming by and going, no! I mean, they're supposed to be... Here's the funny thing about that. I'm going to kind of say off the track here.
    28:49
    Back in the day, I watched even more wrestling than I do now i don't watch this about wrestling anymore i think it was tuesday night tight what one of the show the show that was gorilla monsoon and bobby heenan that was on before bobby heenan was on it was jesse vantura yes so it was jesse and gorilla monsoon and when jesse did this movie on that show he was saying how like you know he was the star predator yeah i remember and all that so gorilla was like okay let's let's watch a scene from this movie that you're a star of and they show the scene where he gets killed i know which is hilarious and like wow jesse you're the star what happened how did the star get killed i i'm sorry i had to i can't be the only one who remembers that i thought that was hilarious yes uh but oh yeah so yeah they hardly have any clips it seems even though they say they have the clip so maybe they're just not in there yet i'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that but not having arnold in there it really hurts but but the actual flashing, the whole play field's flashing. Oh, I had an issue with the spinner. So the gameplay video, they do a little intro sequence to it, and they're just showing different parts of the play field. They show the spinner get hit, I swear to you, it spins like three times and stops dead. And my soul, I lost my soul right there, just died. But I still, I'd like to play it. I mean, it's a wide body. It looks like most of it is because they have the extra lane on the side with the painless, old painless on there, the chain gun, and the hut and all that. Some people have said they don't like the huts and stuff on the left. I have no issue with that. It's in the damn movie. It is in the movie, yes. It's an important sequence in the movie where they go in and kick ass. Yep. I had no issue with that. I mean, it looks decent, but, I mean, you have no Arnold. Yes. You have no assets that are worth the game. Well, they have, like I said, they have way more assets. They have more assets than Jurassic Park. They have way more assets than Pirates had. Yeah, I know, but they're not going to use it the proper way. And second thing, as I said, I'm watching the gameplay for multiball, and you think like you have shots flashing. No, the whole field's just blanking in and out with the backlights, and you're like, I can't tell what the fuck the guy's even trying to shoot. And all of a sudden, he literally is trying to get the balls, and there's one ball kicking out of the shooter lane, and it goes jackpot i'm like what why did he get a jackpot for kicking a ball out of the shooter lane and going around the orbit i'm like oh it just feels like 1990s again come on guys stop well a few other things about this game before it was even released or shown they were plugging how it's using the fast boards now instead of the proprietary boards they were using like okay And then they said, you know, we've upgraded. The flippers are now Williams flippers and Williams pop bumpers. But I'm thinking, by saying that, aren't you basically saying that your old flippers suck? Suck. Yes. Isn't that literally what you're saying? You're saying your flippers sucked. Yes. That's kind of like Jersey Jack when they did the upgrade for the new flippers. I don't know if they advertised that. No, they didn't. I think they just, with Godfather, they had the new capacitors on there, and boom, that's it. They didn't say, like, our new and improved flippers. I mean, even though they do offer the board on their website. I don't remember it being a big marketing thing. Someone could correct me on that. Maybe it was. But when you do something like that, you're basically saying, yeah, our old flippers really fucking sucked. Yes, they did. But now we got Williams flippers, so it's all great. All better.
    32:31
    But, yeah, no. It's just I watched the gameplay video a couple times, and I was just like, okay. I'll wait to see it in person for judgment But it did not It did not wow me I love Predator But not having Arnold in there Really There's so many Stick around It couldn't see me Get to the choppa Those are all Arnold lines They're going to do The arm thing The biceps They should be able to do that without showing his face I didn't see that in there anywhere I was like, where's that? That's got to be in there somewhere. Nope. No, it has to be. Or it's a fail. I agree. Or that match setup. You're like, and then each muscle has a number on it. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. So some more info. You're going to make 800 of these. Yep. And here's where it starts to hurt. Oh, yeah. $11,000. Yeah. Plus $500 shipping. Yep. If you want the – they don't have multiple versions, but they have a trim package. It's $1,500 more.
    33:42
    And supposedly they're going to start shipping in mid-August. The issue is you also have the tariffs. Yes. Well, they're pushed back now to August 1st, so who knows what the fuck is going on with that. Yeah. Well, I think it's already – isn't it already 10% for Europe? Yeah, it's already been 10%. Yeah, it's been 10%. But they're trying to work with the EU right now, so it might work out. So either way, you're going to be paying $12,000, $13,000 for this.
    34:11
    Yeah. When Alien, what was Alien? 8,000, 9,000? You know what I mean? Yeah. I think even the LV was like under 10,000. Yep, it was.
    34:20
    Pricing is just going through the roof. European game, they make it in your favorite place, Italy. Hey, what the fuck? We make everything good in here. Yes. It's the Treti. Yes. Did you see – I'll give a plug here. Josh on The Loser Kid, he had a video of – he got one of the Funhaus remakes. Yeah. And he got the other – the regular art package. Regular version. Not the creepy art package because he loves the original. He's got an original mode. Yep. So this is from Pedretti. It's the same factory that's going to be making these. when it takes the box off,
    35:02
    there's no, like, foam. Nope. There's no foam at all. No, nothing. Instead of a goodie bag, they have, like, a goodie box. But since it got jostled around, all the shit moved all over the place inside. I know. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Hey! Da-da-da-da-da-da.
    35:20
    We make it good. Yeah, don't worry about your box. Your box you don't need. Just throw it in the bag. Yeah, forget about it. But, yeah, I thought that was funny. I know. Anything else about Predator? I still want to play it. I mean, I probably won't get to play it until Expo. Yeah, probably Expo. I mean, because I could say that I've played both Predators. Let's say this. Do they sell all 800? No way. No. No way. No, because when they had Daniel Jansen on, he did the interview circuit. But you could tell when they were talking about like Queen and ABBA, how it just – that they did not perform like they thought they would perform. They were dogs. So – and then they're talking about all these licenses, future games they have, and I'm like, really?
    36:11
    It's like you – You're not doing good with the licenses, boys. Well, actually, Alien and Predator are fine for licenses. They're great. And even ABBA – you know, ABBA is not – I mean, Queen. Holy fuck. Yeah, that was a big disappointment. Yeah, that was a crash and burn if ever I've seen one. But, yeah.
    36:32
    But I still wish them well. I can't wait to play the game. And hopefully maybe something can – maybe Arnold can end up in there eventually. Hey, it happened with Ripley. Ripley was different in that they just didn't pay for her. Yeah. And then they did. And then she was in the game. They realized they couldn't sell shit without her. No, they were still selling it. But then they realized, you know, we could sell even more if we put her in. Because then we could have a whole new version. And cheaper. Yeah, that was the weird part. It's like, why did you do that? I know. You were being too nice. And so now you have to raise the price way up for this one. I know. It's like, what the fuck? I don't get some of the moves.
    37:13
    Jesus. Wow. Yeah. As an Italian, I am offended deeply. That's good. Congratulations. What the fuck is wrong with you? Okay. next man we got a pack that's only the second item it's just packed we have packed with good juiciness we have new code for X-Men and Wick because Stern is very cognizant that they are not selling and people think that the games have been abandoned etc so what do you know about the new code X-Men is I think worse Jesus I think I really do I played it a lot See, I never understood the original code, so I really don't understand the revamp code other than I guess... Well, now after every mode you complete of the nine, you can get to the future. You go into the future now every time. And that's good? You want to be in the future? Well, no, it's good because if you beat it, you get this goal with a thing that gets you a perk. But you don't know what the fucking perk does. Oh. So how is it good if you don't know what the perk does? I don't know. It's like, holy fuck. It's in our league, so they upgraded it. It's actually worse. I think it is definitely worse. I still like shooting it. I just feel like I'm battling that thing every time. I love the danger zone. I mean, danger room, danger zone. I like the weird, quirky, godliness of it on the bottom there. But it's just, guys, stop. Don't try to fix this. just move on no go complete wipe out and start fresh oh complete wipe out that's got like they didn't do that game i just but no wipe out and just oh just trying to well they did didn't they totally like redo stuff they're supposedly going to like redo every multi-ball all this stuff well i haven't seen that yet all i've seen is after every mode i complete now i get stuck in the future i get this and if i beat it i get this perk but what the fuck the perk does how does it help you nobody knows why okay and they wick what do they do with wick again i i don't really know the rules on wick either burn baby burns just go and burn i don't know it's like i think in the old wick code if there were enemies on a shot you had to hit it multiple times to kill the enemy before you actually get the shot but they removed all that so that's not there anymore it's just that game's just gone don't even worry about it don't even worry about well let's put the are you happy that stern is at least they're addressing like they know people think these are abandoned or you know have issues that they're they're just kind of they should have never released them the way they came out oh that's the problem all right we keep on trying to get our three cornerstones They keep on tap the brakes, guys. But wait a minute. I mean, Jaws isn't even one. Oh, wait a minute. Now it is. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, but it wasn't for the longest time. No, it wasn't for the longest time. I mean, King Kong was out in Jaws. But the difference, see, the difference is the Elwynn games, even though they don't have a lot of the stuff in them at launch. At least they shoot well. They're always completely playable. Yes. And it feels like they have a lot of stuff in them. Yeah. Meanwhile, some of the other ones are very odd. Like when I played Dune in Allentown, that thing was alpha. Oh, yeah, totally.
    40:43
    No. But I played King Kong for the first time. Uh-huh. Holy long player. Oh, yes, yes. Oh, my fucking God. Everything feeds the flipper, bro. Yes. And a center post. Yes. Mm-hmm. But doesn't it shoot great? Honestly, it shoots awesome. It shoots like butter. Quick silver drops. Got to love that. I know. The only thing I don't like is that right far shot. Oh, the right orbit? No, no, not the orbit. The other one when you're trying to get into it. Oh, the one that, yeah. Yeah, that's really hard. The one that also feeds your right flipper immediately. Yes, yes. Like every shot feeds your flipper. But I like the shots. I like the game. Boy, it's a long player, though. I feel bad if you have that in a tournament. That just says, go get some popcorn, boys and girls. We're going to be here a while. His last two games have been pretty long players. Jaws and King Kong have been pretty long. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally, totally agree. I think it's a good shooter. Sticking with Stern, Stern Pinball launches new, less expensive line of expression toppers. Jesus fucking Christ. This is from Nap Arcade. Hi, Nap. Basically, what they're going to do is they're going to start releasing cheaper toppers. By cheaper, I mean $400. Yeah. So you can get the light show. Expression lighting, yes, the light show. And it'll either be, you can get one that's specific to the game. In other words, it'll say the game title. Or just generic words, just going to say like Stern. They should have made it just say tournament pinball like their old sign. Yeah, I know. They used to have on the top, if anyone remembers that. I do. So far, the only one available is for Star Wars.
    42:19
    So what do you think about that? Does it flash turd while you're playing it? Oh, my God. Turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd. So is it a cash grab for us? Oh, fucking yeah. No, it is. I actually do like the idea, but $400 for a piece of cardboard with lights on it is a fucking cash grab. Hey, it's at least plastic. Is it? I don't know. It looked pretty cheesy. It really did. I don't know if it's plastic or cardboard. It looked cheesy. For $400, I was expecting a little bit more. But you get the light shows now up there. Oh, great. What if I have a ceiling that I can't have a topper on it? Then I'm fucked. Well, actually, they didn't look like they were that tall. No, no, no. But some people have a really tight ceiling. It's just another fucking – A tight ceiling? How is the ceiling tight? Well, when you put your head up and it touches the ceiling, it's a little tight.
    43:17
    You have not a lot of headroom there, boys and girls. Oh, my. So your head is very tight. I got it. Very tight again. Very tight. But, no, I just – I'd rather them stop doing that shit and actually working on the code before the game comes out.
    43:35
    Let's work on the problems that they have. They have not been selling games because what they're putting out lately is not good. It's just okay.
    43:46
    And okay is not good. They're just like singles and doubles. There's no triples or homers. Is that what you're saying? I'd say, well, Metallica, I like. I like the new Metallica. That was a known entity. Exactly. So let's go back. Oh, let's go back. Let's go back. John Wick. What would you call that? Single, double, triple, home run? Or strikeout? I don't think any of their games are strikeouts.
    44:12
    That John Wick is. Maybe a bunt single. Yeah, a bunt single is John Wick. Or a blooper. Yeah, like, ooh, I was lucky to get on base. Yep, there you go.
    44:23
    Okay, next one. X-Men. See, that started so strong, and then people were like, then they just kind of fell off a clip. No, people like the way it shoots. That was the whole point. But it doesn't shoot great. That's the problem. Well, it doesn't shoot great for long periods. Yes. It's good until it gets out of adjustment, and then it sucks. And then you're fucked. Yes. All those cross-play field shots when they don't work are very frustrating. So another single. So we have two singles now. Uh-huh. Okay. Let's get up Dungeons & Dragons. Maybe a double. That's another single. That's done better. No, that's done better. It's a single. It's a double. It's a long single. So it's a long single that hit the wall, but the guy didn't really run it out. No, he rounded first, and then he realized he's got the gun of Judge. And he's fat bastard. Jesus Christ. Okay. So, yes, a long single.
    45:19
    What's Kong, then? King Kong is a – I'm not going to say ground rule double because that's just a gimme.
    45:31
    A second – no, you got a double and then they stole third. I love these analogies. Yes, a double and a stole third. So it's ready to come home. It's hopefully going to come home. But, yeah, they have not had a lot of good success. And what was before that? What was before WIC?
    45:53
    Oh, I don't remember. Was it Jaws? Was Jaws before WIC? Or was Jaws after WIC? I don't know. I can't remember. Yeah, it's just been... But they have not had a lot of great...
    46:06
    You know, they have not had Godzillas. They have not had that kind of stuff. I don't think they'll ever have a Godzilla again. That was a special case. Even Rush. Rush is a great game. Look at Foo Fighters. The one you just bought was two years or a year and a half sitting in a box. Yeah, and then they stopped making them. Yeah. And what else went in the vault? I think something else just went in the vault. Well, Iron Maiden went in the vault. I know. After being out for like eight or nine years. Yeah.
    46:33
    So they got their money and run out of that. Yes, they did. But, you know, guys, concentrate more on making the games better instead of more on the side arts and, you know, this armor and other crap. They're good moneymakers. They're great moneymakers, but guess what? If people aren't going to spend money on your games,
    47:00
    that ain't the good way either. We were just talking about it. We're going to get more to stir moneymakers a little later.
    47:06
    The next thing I got on my list, I just thought it was interesting. The Art of Pinball announces new partnership for Bally Williams Mods. Now, The Art of Pinball, that's the guy in Israel who makes all the cool mods. He's got the Jurassic Park, the T-Rex head I have on mine. He makes a lot of cool sculpts and stuff like that. And so he's partnering with – he had already partnered with – who else did he partner with? Oh, our friends at DPX, Dutch Pinball Exclusive, or as we call them. dual penetration extreme there you go a little slow there on that one but yes dual penetration extreme so yeah I guess it's going to be making some new products I wonder what that means maybe some nice new sculpts for Bally games like old Bally Williams games that'd be interesting I just thought that was interesting so because he makes some good shit although I remember his like his workshop was a few minutes from like a war zone back in the day i remember i don't know if it still is i just remember there's a big delay getting this product out because i can't get to my workshop right now because of bombing like good lord let's see what else do i got here ah so have you seen any of the dune gameplay a little bit not much i was as i said i was enjoying i was actually internet free on vacation oh my god on your cruise. You were internet free? Free. My wife wanted to kill me by day five. Oh, God. Kathy was ready to kill me. She's like, I like the life. She bought internet on day six and seven. I just didn't. I read books and I listened to books and I listened to music. Nice. I was very happy.
    48:57
    We had Dune gameplay. This was weird. Interesting and weird. I love the concept. They announced that Dune it was going to be a gameplay stream and IE pinball Carl D'Angelo's channel and it was going to be with new code so basically somewhat so we're getting past alpha code now we're actually going to have some modes and stuff to do. We're an AB positive. We're actually going to finally have something to play on here.
    49:30
    After that was announced then Spooky announced like we're going to have a stream on the exact same date and time and we're going to be giving away a game and i'm like that is so weird half of the staff of dune used to be with spooky so i'm just like it's so weird that was a dick move it was a total whip out my cock hey look at me well it was a total the thing is you know what the game they gave away was oh i know ultra man so it was probably like oh which is better which is better than Halloween, so I'll give them plus one for that one. Then they were going to stream. We're also going to be streaming New Evil Dead Code. I know. I just didn't get the timing on that. No, the timing was on purpose. They were being dicks.
    50:19
    So, Dune. I like what I saw. I think it's going to come out. It's going to be a good game. I watched the stream when Carl is playing it and his games aren't lasting 40 minutes. I take no to that. Oh, okay. That already perks my interest because it doesn't play forever. It's got a lot of cool shots in there. The way they do the kickback, to light the kickback, the ball goes in the out lane into a pocket and the ball just sits there and it fires another ball into play. So then when you get the kick, the kickback is when the ball is draining, it fires the one ball at the other ball and hits it back into play that's pretty damn cool yeah it is pretty cool the i i think multiple uses of the worm yep instead of just you know i originally thought it was just kind of like it's going to grab the ball yeah no it has all these different positions all these different things it does yep it looks cool it has a lot of potential the the The modes in there were interesting They actually are in there now You can do things I like the artwork I know a lot of people didn like the muted artwork that looks like sand You know what this is? It's sand. You know what it's going to be in a fucking thousand years? Sand!
    51:39
    We have deserts in America. We just don't live in them, asshole. Sorry. Sorry, my Sam Kinnison is poor. I can't scream like that. Ow, ow!
    51:50
    But, yeah, I really liked what I saw. Yeah, no, I was like, wow, this looks good. It looks good? I just want to touch one now. Oh, God. Good job, Burrell. It's a fun. Just keep going. I just want to touch that worm, baby. Touch the worm. I want to touch the worm. Yeah, touch the worm.
    52:07
    Touch it. You know you want to touch it. Okay. So also while we were out. Mm-hmm. While you were out. Hold on. I got to interrupt you here. Uh-oh. I just got an email from the lawyers. The lawyers. Okay, from Robert Mueller. What did they say, brother? No, no, no, no.
    52:27
    No. From our other plaintiffs that we sued. Remember who we sued last episode? Yes. Last episode, we sued the final round guys for using the ball bag reference. Yes, yes. And they responded on their show. So you have to listen in. Oh, did that just come out? Yeah, no, it came out a day or two ago. but I was just acting like we just found out now. Wait a minute. A day or two ago. It's not in my fee. Well, it should be because it's not in the – they have their own fee now. Yeah, I know. I thought I set that up. Nope, you didn't. Oh, goddammit. Okay. So they bust our chops, so we'll be very happy to hear this. I love the boys. And all – you know. Okay.
    53:11
    But, yes, our lawsuit, we will win. We will win. I guess the Robert Mueller lawsuit, like nothing's going to happen until like November. November, I heard. Yeah, November, December.
    53:23
    And they have to try to find another jury. Unless I need another lawyer again, dude. Then there'll be more delays, brother. I can delay this indefinitely, dude. I know. What happened to due process? What happened to, yeah, due process in any kind of time? I know. These people he ripped off, they're not going to get their fucking money back. They'll be dead. They're all like 90. Jesus. maybe that's his idea I don't have to refund any money if I wait long enough brother I'll be dead dude and I won't have to give away a god damn thing holy fuck I am a real American I still don't need your citizens holy fuck I miss Robert Mueller oh god while we were away the IFPA world championships occurred in Austria.
    54:19
    So congratulations to Jason Zahler for winning. And watching the finals was a lengthy experience. Oh, just so long. In between games, in between balls. Took forever.
    54:36
    That's why no one will ever watch this shit. Except people like me. Let's see, what else do I got here? Oh, the tournament that you were going to go to and told me to sign up for, which I was going to do anyway, and then didn't show up for, the Catskill Classic occurred. Yep. At Howard's house.
    54:56
    And I did not make finals. I ended up in a playoff to make finals, and it didn't work out for me. But guess what game I played the most when I was there? Like between every round, what game do you think I went over and kept playing? I don't know. What game? Tag team. Tag team, baby.
    55:17
    I just love my Gottliebs. The only thing is it seems too brutally hard to try to start multiball on that. Like, he has it on five ball, and I could not get multiball started. To the point where I got the manual. Thank you, Zach. I got the manual, and I figured there's got to be a setting. There's got to be a way to make it easier. No. There are no, like, multiball adjustments. Like, that is what it is. Like, God damn it. It's just brutal. but I like it because it's a wrestling theme even though it's generic even though the one guy kind of looks like Magnum TA that I remember but other than that they just look like generic wrestlers but congratulations to Nick who won I'm looking at this right now he won the Indonesian Angry Indonesian Bowling Pin of Doom so congratulations Bruce did not make it because he was overruled I was overruled by my wife. Yeah. I actually was actually in Jersey. Yeah, he was actually. I'm like, let me go drive up. Let me go drive up and I'll go into this tournament. And my wife's like, no. Yeah. She goes, I don't need you getting sick before our cruise and being around 40 people. Like, come on. I didn't get sick. I know.
    56:32
    Let's see. Oh, so they had the drawing, the lottery for the Sanctum. the 24 hours at the sanctum the insane thing i do every november and uh the way they do this is you all put your name everyone puts their name in and it's like almost 200 people trying to get 100 spots yes and then they do a lottery where they just it randomly selects the 100 people and well it randomly you know puts what your position you're in yes and pretty much every year i never get in the hundred but i'm always close where if enough people drop out i can get in and that's what's happened the last couple years uh this year i'm like seventh from last so i have zero chance of getting in this yes which is weird our zach got in but it looks like he did not take it because i think everyone he would have rode with did not make yeah i didn't make it in So, yeah. So he decided to not go. But that bums me out. I've been, like, in a bunch of sanctums in a row, and now I'm not. Yeah. Breaks my string.
    57:46
    I haven't been in every one of them, though, so. No, no, no. There's some people who have. Which is insane that you keep lucking out. Yeah, I know. Well, I guess you just got to keep winning it, because if you win, you're guaranteed to get in. So that's what you got to do. But I've been to all the Pinbergs, except the original, original ones that were in a completely different format.
    58:07
    But even they were counting those because last time I was there, they were giving out some things to people who have been to every one of them, the new ones, and I got it, whatever it was. Yeah. I missed it last year, so my record is done.
    58:25
    Wait a minute. You've been to every one of those until last year? Up to last year, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. What I do know is I'm cramping up here in this chair. Yeah, me too. My chair is killing me. I'm moving around. Got to move around, bro. Got to do some more exercises. Yeah, some more exercises. Oh, my God. All right. So what's next? Next item.
    58:51
    Stern Pinball unveils Jaws 50th Anniversary. Yeah. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. As I predicted, I think as everybody predicted, there was going to be a 50th anniversary draw game, I figured this would be when they would come out with a 1.0 code and have the final wizard mode in it, which is what they did. Yep.
    59:16
    It's not a cash grab. It is totally a cash grab. No, it's not. Yes, it is. No, it's not. How is it? Not a cash grab. They didn't expand the price. They didn't do anything. They just gave you another option to buy another premium game. Oh, so it's not. That's all this was. But wait a minute. It's got a 50th anniversary hologram. Exactly.
    59:35
    To me, this was very. This is just piquing interest again. This is very low effort. Oh, totally low effort. They took art that they already had from the other games and just made it bigger or smaller. Yep. Used some red trim. They put sparkles on the play field like they did with, I think, Elvira. One of the Elviras had that. The Elviras, yes. The only other things they did is they have brass habit trails. Hopefully the brass doesn't come off. Yeah, I know. We've seen how good that did on Tales of the Arabian Nights. Or World Cup soccer. Yeah, I know. I've never played a World Cup soccer that actually had brass habit trails because the plating is always gone. All gone. Well, wait a minute. You have a Lord of the Rings. Doesn't that have, like, brass habit trails? It does, and it actually held up pretty well. Okay, so Stern, I think. They probably know how to do some brass habit trails. Yes. They got big brass. And they have a sticker, a hologram sticker that says 50th on it. It's the only thing on the game that makes you know that it's 50th anniversary.
    60:41
    But, yeah, like you said, the price is the same. They say it's not an LE, but it's only available this year. Yeah. So to me, that kind of makes it an LE. Yeah. No, because they didn't limit the number. That's what the difference is. I know people were holding off because they were waiting for this to come out. Yes. And it did. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah. Smile, you son of a bitch. The Final Wizard mode is finally in there. Yep. Only one game after. He already has King Kong out. I know. And finally this one's finished. And they're going to blow up Bruce. What the fuck? Yeah, Bruce the shark. I didn't realize Godfather still doesn't have. Like, it has the Final Wizard mode, but you can't get to it or something? No, you can't get to it. It is a block. It's so weird. Block, block. So it took like seven years to get Pirates done. Godfather still isn't done. But Elton John and Avatar are, and they're after that game. Yeah, I know.
    61:38
    Come on, man. Do better. Yeah. You got to finish the code. Play better. You got to finish the code, brother.
    61:46
    I kind of did a half Steve Ritchie, half Hulk Hogan there. Yeah. Next. Yeah, they didn't do anything that would piss anyone off. Like if they came out with this on the play field and had Roy Scheider like Brody, that would have pissed a lot of people off. No, no, no. What they should have done to make it a full cash grab was make the shark eat the ball. Oh, Jesus. That would have fucking pissed everyone off. Yes. It went off, tilted off the other end. You charge $1,000 more. Winner.
    62:17
    Interesting. Now, it's not a cash grab. I got to make sure I know what's cash grab. It's the same price. If they went up like the other ones did, then it's a cash grab. Okay.
    62:30
    But it's not the same. It's the same price. All it is is just another version. It's like a premium two. Okay. That's what I call it. Do you know when Chicago Gaming said they were coming out with those Cactus Canyon kits in June? June. What month are we in? I think it's July. Yeah. So now they're saying end of July. Yeah, I know. Are they the worst at getting anything done when they say they're going to? No, they're on the same level as Robert Mueller. Oh, Jesus.
    62:59
    So November, they're going to get these done. Yes, exactly. We're going to have them out for expo, brother. Or November, they'll say they had issues with a vendor, so they couldn't get parts. So there's further delays. The tariffs, the tariffs. It's always the tariffs. I think their Merlin Medieval Madness Edition will be out before these will be out. Oh, my fucking God. What do you know, brother?
    63:21
    Making pinballs hard. You said hard. Okay, last on my news. There's so much news. I just thought I'd put this out here, Bruce. Oh, boy. DPX. Alice in Wonderland has been delivered to the U.S. Yay. And how many people are raving about it? The distributor, Great American Pinball. They got two of them.
    63:47
    That distributor. I don't know if other distributors got more, but, yes, they have arrived. Great. Now, again, they've got to get these out before the end of the year or you get your deposit back. So we're in July now, and they just sent out some of the first ones. Yep. Remember, they took these orders in October of last year.
    64:11
    Just saying. Whoopsie. It's not looking good. No, it's not. But who knows? They could catch fire and these things could just come out like boom, boom, boom.
    64:23
    Yeah, okay. No? You don't think so? No. Okay. Let's see. Ready for the ball bag? Nope. Nope? Uh-oh. You got something first. What do you got for me, Bruce? You know what we're going to start and put on sale this Sunday? Oh, my God. Or Saturday. Sorry, Saturday. Okay, let's try that again, Bruce. What's happening? This Saturday. we're putting stomp 7 east the original tickets go on sale Saturday 9am $50 paypal the wizard underscore mode at yahoo.com is that eastern time Bruce that is eastern time not E-T not E-S-T E-T Barren Harm I sound more like South Park Just for you guys My fingers big So I think we said 32 spots only Yep We'll see how it goes now We went up to 40 last time so we'll see what happens 32 Jump in fast Do not wait This is the premier Stomp event Well, actually, that would be the RPC one. Yes. This is the original.
    65:48
    This is Stomp. Original. Seven. Original. And there'll be a belt. So, Joe. Joe C. Joe Cherifino, the ultimate degenerate? I need the ultimate degenerate make another picture of us for the belt. Okay. because we have the italian we've done the italian we've done the mafia we've done us in both versions we need another version oh we have we've been italian on one of these belts yes we have oh god what's about me saying what the fuck it up oh god it'd be awesome and you're and you're waving the uh french you're waving the italian flag yes i should oh that'd be awesome all right okay so yes uh tickets go on sale this saturday 9 a.m so ron better get this out before saturday uh be there or b square it's a one-day event i plan to get this up maybe tomorrow yeah probably tomorrow doors open at 10 o'clock and we will start play at 11 o'clock and it'll be 10 to 15 rounds of match play 10 to 15 rounds depending on how long they're taking no no i'll i'll decide then we always leave that up in the air we should just do a timed like it has to finish by a certain time that works out no because i hate when people try to let's drag out the game a little longer or not you know i like pure rounds then everyone's on the same pure roundage uh-huh and uh Half the people go to finals, so it's either going to go to 16 if we're at 32, or until we hit the 40, and then it will go to 20. Dear God, finals will take forever. It will, but it's only three games. And the good thing is we go old, medium, and new at your house. So guess what? It'll go faster. Okay.
    67:47
    I act like we haven't done a bunch of these. I know. I mean, unless one of my games all of a sudden starts taking way longer than it ever has before. Yeah.
    67:58
    Hold me closer, time. No, Elton wasn't an issue. No, I know. Okay. Now are you ready for the ball bag? I am now ready to empty the ball bag. Okay.
    68:10
    The ball bag is trademarked from Slam Tilt Podcast Incorporated. Trademarked, yes. Yeah, corporation. Wow. Slam Tilt LLC. We'll see. 2,000 and – 25. No, no, because we've been around for – Oh, copyright 2016. 2016, yes. Yes. We have to state this now just for the lawyers. Yes, the lawyers. So any use of the pictures, descriptions, and accounts of this ball bag without the express written consent of the Slam Tilt Podcast – We'll get teabagged. Oh.
    68:43
    Oh, my God. All right. Guess who's going to be using our ball bag gift again? Chip and the boys So This is from Dale Hey Dale I wonder where Chip is I'm Chip I'm Dale I hate that I hate Disney so much I like that What were the Warner Brothers ones? Were they Gophers?
    69:08
    The ones that go After you No no no After you No no no I insist No no no I insist I love those guys See that's how you do it right No you go heckle and jekle And then you really rock Heckle and jekle Dale says Yo Just was listening to Flag Day Oh that was the name of the episode And while I agree with you that anybody Who defaces someone else's property is an Asshat I get why Bells and chimes would ban the game From tournaments To start off I think there's a difference between a game That's actively in production with someone who gets A royalty from sold games and a game That's been out of production And a lead designer is no longer in the industry Who doesn't Oh, we're talking about what's-his-face.
    69:49
    Guess who designed Tag Team? Yep. Of course. What the hell is with this? I always like his games. Damn it. And while it's not a view held by everybody, I know a few trans people that don't feel comfortable putting quarters into the game, helping make it more popular while J.K. Rowling is actively financially benefiting from the game currently being made.
    70:11
    To go back to why a tournament organization might exclude it, I think it reflects the reality on the ground. Thousand Chimes is open to trans and non-binary people. And while some are perfectly fine with playing it, others are not in a very non-theatrical way. Choosing to exclude a game from your tournament doesn't punish tournament players who would have been fine to play it. There is just another game for them to play that round. But keeping it in kind of does the people who are against it on ethical grounds by either making them play it anyway or having them take a zero on the round. Removing the game is less of an impact in keeping it. But so if I don't like Star Wars We just kick it out of every tournament Right If we did it that way yes And then dialed in would be eliminated Exactly It's just a slippery slope we're going into It's different reasons for hating it Your reasons are stupid It plays bad And rules suck They're great games This type of ruling needs to be on a case by case basis But I think it makes sense here Just my two cents Thank you Dan but yeah i i just you're going down a slippery slope a slippery slope slippery slope and you're gonna you're gonna have problems later on where you know i just disoffend somebody else oh wait a sec my wife hates jaws because there was it was the first movie she ever saw and there's a lot of blood and gore and so these are different reasons though this is because benefiting the person i mean you can we don't know that but you can make we don't make more arguments that I mean, she would be getting the money from when it's purchased. At that point, now it's the operator who's getting the money. So they're the ones who are getting screwed if no one plays it. Yep. But then you could argue, well, they shouldn't have bought it to begin with. So this one's from, oh, Dr. John. Subject, I heard my name.
    72:05
    Hi, people. Heard the latest, and I feel a bat like Matt Damon when he used to do the bit with Jimmy Kimmel. They always made sure that they never had enough time to have him on in the end. The best was when Sarah Silverman sang her song, I'm fucking Matt Damon. Link below.
    72:22
    Jesus. We need to have Dr. John back on. It's a bad, whenever I hear Matt Damon, I just think of Team America. Matt Damon. But I would love to come back as a guest. Yes, I'd love to have him back. Sometime when there is another slow news cycle, which definitely wasn't this time. I'd love to discuss why there will never be a Spaceballs machine. What? Why ELO had such a dumb first album name. What was the name of their first album?
    72:51
    There's a lot of bad ELO name albums. I think it's ELO. Are you sure? Why would that be a bad name? And there's ELO Park. Hold on. Let me look it up because I don't have all the old albums. What it's like never being able to share the excitement of a new game release when you live in Australia, because they don't get them until like way after, and why it's so sad that Home Pin exists. That is very true. Wow. And then there's other stuff that we can't read.
    73:18
    He says, do not read this part. First Light Series. Yeah, that's a weird name. Yeah. First Light Series. Okay. What do we got?
    73:31
    That's a game. I will skip that. Let's see that for last. We got, this is from Nick. No, sorry. It's called the Electric Light Orchestra. I was right. The first album, which is titled the Electric Light Orchestra. So, Dr. John, why is that a weird title? I mean, that's literally the name of the band. Yeah, Kiss and Kiss did that same thing, and a lot of other bands did. Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin I, Led Zeppelin II, Led Zeppelin III, Led Zeppelin IV. Kiss. No, the first album Kiss did was called Clown Show, wasn't it? No, it was called Kiss. That is not very funny at all. Well, it was completely funny. It was a clown show. I'm making $5,000 per ticket for the new thing that's going on in Vegas. Did you see any of the Black Sabbath? Yes. Oh, my God. I thought that was great. Well, it was great until they brought them up and then they wheeled them backwards. I felt so bad, like, stop. Oh, for poor Ozzy? Yeah. You know, to be honest, for a guy that can't walk with severe Parkinson's, He sounded better than some of the other singers they had. I know. And the more I saw that, just the amount of material Black Sabbath had. Oh, yeah. Just where is the pinball machine? Come on. Now, this weekend is the last show of ELO.
    74:50
    Yeah, I guess they had a lot of people there, too, because they were going to watch the ELO show after that one. Yes, yes. It's this weekend. Unfortunately, today was the third show before it ends, It's tonight, tomorrow night, and Saturday is the final show. Tonight's show he had to cancel, actually. He is sick. So not a good sign. No. He actually almost passed out last night. Well, this is the bad luck of Jeff Lynn. Jeff Lynn is the lead singer of ELO. The amount of money he's made in his career and the amount of hair he still has, whether it's a wig or not, he doesn't have a lot of bad luck. Yes, he does. Because guess what? he did on the way to the concert that way to practice the on the 5th sorry the 4th of july he broke his hand in a taxi oh so guess what he can't do play guitar you got it i don't know it's hard to be tony iomi when the last day of work before you're gonna go full-time you're banned you cut your fingers off yes that's pretty bad yeah i know but then that leads to your whole playing style which defines the sound of the band exactly probably so uh it is this is the last weekend of yellow songs ever you know for live he's 78 you know he's he's he's really old he's older than azir he is and you know so i don't even know if anyone's going to see the last three shows and that's a sad thing you know but you know a lot of people are staying over the week for these last two shows of two you know iconic you know music people and we're not getting these new music groups coming out no it's a whole different industry it works a totally different way now the only way it goes is country or rap oh god country i can't i rather than the country no the lyrics are terrible and every song is just heavy auto-tune it makes me want to vomit nope it's better than rap no i disagree usually the lyrics are more inventive than rap okay i'm gonna kill i'm gonna kill oh come on baby got my anaconda don't want none unless you got buns on come on that's that's from the 80s no that's from the 80s 80s i think that's if it's 80s it's like 89 it 88 oh no no it not that far back i disagree look it up look it up baby got back This is very important folks You going to listen to this Baby got back Oh, wow. We're both wrong. Released in May 1992. I know. We're both wrong. Early 90s. Well, I was figuring early 90s, but you seem so confident in the 80s. I was like 88, 89. I have to learn to never trust you ever and just go up my gut.
    77:37
    They work out tapes by Fonda, but Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of our Honda. Oh, just so good. God, I love that. Yeah, that's 90s rap. That's different. Oh, that's different? Okay. Oh, totally. Okay.
    77:49
    I can send you some of the crap I used to listen to at Amazon when I was working there during COVID. Okay. This next one is from Nick. Hi, Nick. This is, hey, guys. Long time listener here. We just had Southern Fried Gaming Expo here in Atlanta. Oh, so he's in Atlanta. One of the local pinball bars called My Parents' Basement, that's pretty funny, had a Harry Potter installed after the show by its operator. Not even a week later, the bar received a bad Google review causing the bar to apologize and immediately had the operator remove the machine. Jesus Christ. Wow. What was the review? That's what I'd like to know.
    78:29
    You previously talked about this being an issue. Do you think once these stories start coming out, it will affect the overall sales? No. No, it wasn't in the sales. I am surprised because, to be honest, I was looking at pinball map to see where some of these were, to see if they were in certain areas I would consider very progressive that wouldn't have this. I was surprised to see that there's a couple of them in Brooklyn.
    78:54
    There's one in Seattle. There's one at Next Level, I think in Oregon. I was surprised to see that. So I was even more surprised with this email in the South. Like, no.
    79:08
    Get this out of here. Yeah, I'm looking for the review. That surprised me. But there you go. Like, I didn't know in the gay community that Elvis was hated.
    79:21
    What? Remember that? When you had our clusterfuck, they had to take it out. I looked it up on Google. I couldn't find anything about that. Yeah. I did not know about that. Nick says, also, just for fun, what is your dream theme that has not been made and what mech would need to be in it to not make it a failure? Okay. That's easy for me. Beavis and Butthead.
    79:46
    And either like a couch mech or the TV. Something along those lines. Spaceballs. Okay. With the vacuum cleaner. The ship converting into the vacuum cleaner. Wait a minute. You want the thing to transform? Yes. Jesus Christ. So you want like the mech from, what was it, Lost World that never worked on the Sega? Yeah, it goes on Suck the Blow. Yeah, it's Suck the Blow. Nick says, mine is Masters of the Universe with a Snake Mountain Ball Lock is a must.
    80:18
    I'd have to have Castle Greyskull somewhere in there if it was Masters of the Universe. Let's see. It seems like you could retheme Medieval Madness. You could make it with Castle Greyskull. Put Skeletor in there. that'd be cool.
    80:33
    I found the review. Oh, God. Okay. Yeah. They didn't really. They just took it out. They just like, you know, the big shout out for truly listening and taking swift action. Okay. They committed to the removal of the Harry Potter machine, proving that they're willing to listen, grow, and stand by their community. Because I guess they have a, what's it called? Safe space that's all are welcome. Ah.
    80:59
    We have one from the Pinball Princess. okie dokie that was just sent like 10 minutes ago good timing we uh dear ron and bruce and this goes along the same uh subject here on the episode flag day it came up that ron had read somewhere that the women's board had banned harry potter from tournaments man this will not die from what i understand they have not banned the game per se they're more so most likely not going to use it and events they organize. There's nothing widespread or compulsory going on. You asked for feedback updates on that, so I did what I could. Going back to the episode now, player 31915. Yeah, I heard the same thing. If it's a place that they want to pick and play, they want to make sure that that game is not there for their major stuff. so you know that's their choice you know hey but i just said it's a slippery slope slippery slope slippery slope okay we have tom make it pro is back make it pro make it pro is back by zero demand he says hello it's back you love it you hate it you can't live without it make it pro you must remove three mechs or features from the following games to make them pro all right uh family guy see this one is tough we did that already i don't remember family guy because we talked the upper play field yeah but then yeah that sounds familiar i said you couldn't remove the play field because it's the whole gimmick and uh then the uh what's it called like what else could you remove other than the play field uh the beer can i would remove the figurines and make them flat plastics
    82:48
    Beer can. Just make it like some static thing. And a center post between the flippers. Yes. There we go. And, yes, that does sound like we've done that before. Yes. Because, yeah, I think you might be right. I think we did. Let's see. Eric Russell will tell us. Eric Russell is our statistician and our historian, the official historian of the Slamtail Podcast. Yes.
    83:10
    Corvettes. I'd remove the track. The drag strip. Yeah, because that's really... Yeah. Is there anything that turns? Like when you... I would make it so when you lock the ball, I would remove the ability of the engine to go back and forth. Yeah, the motor shake. It doesn't need to shake. That's two.
    83:31
    Hmm. What else? Make it not a Corvette. Honestly, make it... Get rid of the trademark of Corvette. So, okay, the feature, we're removing that. It's a Corvette. Is it just an air car? Yes, or just, you know, 60s muscle. Okay.
    83:53
    Okay. That would be the cheapest way because that was a GM factory. It actually has a GM part number. This one's going to be hard because I have it in my head, but I don't remember the exact mechs that are in this game. I know there's a ton of shit in it. So I might leave this one to you. Batman Forever.
    84:12
    Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. I know it's a wide body and has a ton of shit in it. Yeah, it has two plungers, so I think we can get rid of one of the plungers. I had to look at it real fast. I think it's the only one they did that has its wide body and has the huge screen also. So that's one thing. I would just – regular DMD. Regular DMD.
    84:34
    Hold on. I'm looking. I think there's a – like a mech that we can get rid of. Hold on. Got to get rid of those mechs, man. we got to save money. We got to make it pro.
    84:48
    I'm looking for IPDB and frigging. Well, while you're doing that, we have a make it premium. Add three mechs or features. This I like. Uh, it picks Adam's family. That already has a lot of stuff in it.
    85:03
    Um, God, how would you put more shit in there? Uh, uh, add things. Other hand, two things instead of one. lightning bolt like a lightning bolt maker like a you know like you know when it has to be something that could actually happen no i'm not saying lightning as in that like you know how the balls you know the crystal balls how they shoot electricity from one side to the other one of those okay so you're adding a crystal like yeah the science ball mac thing that was that was broken at the boston museum of science when i went there as a kid oh for a field trip but i don't remember On Batman, we take away the cannon. Oh, yeah, the cannon.
    85:44
    So we got the DMT, the cannon. And the fluorescent ramps, because it is fluorescent ramps. Okay. We're making regular ramps. Yes. Boom. Pro. Okay. Addams Family, what else can we do to make that? Because it already has a freaking topper. No, no, no, no, no. We make a platinum edition. Jesus Christ. So instead of gold, it's platinum color. Platinum, and we make a different color side art.
    86:13
    We give you a platinum plaque on the front. We give you a platinum ROM that no one will use in a tournament. Exactly.
    86:26
    Another ramp, maybe. I don't know where. Like a diverter ramp. Instead of just going always back to 1-1-1, you divert it across the place. Maybe somehow, like the rotating turntable, we make it more like Batman when it has more positions. Yeah. Because right now it only has two, I believe. Yeah, it only turned one way or the other. So we can make it turn like another way. Yep.
    86:48
    We're running out of ideas because it's pretty packed. That'd be like asking us, like, Roadshow, make it premium. Like, what? What the fuck? Holy shit, what else are you going to put in the thing? God damn it.
    86:58
    Although that might make it even interesting. Electric shock in the machine, too. Wait a minute. Does Adam's family have a shaker motor?
    87:10
    I don't think it does. No, it doesn't. Now it does. There's the third item. Boom, shaker motor. Done. You ever see the Adam's family values game that they have where you hold the two rods and it shocks you a little bit? No. You got to hold the rails while you're in one mode.
    87:25
    It gives you a little electronic jingle. Tom says, see you at Pinburn. That'll be you, Varan. Thank you. So that was make it throw. Don't forget, everyone, when you look at Ron. You do not hug him. You hug him hard and long. Oh, jeez. You almost sock.
    87:44
    We talk now. All right. I'm an asshole. Repairs. I have done none. You've been on a cruise. But I did something. Ooh. And you know what I did?
    88:01
    What'd you do? I detached the head off my Spider-Man, the broken head. Oh, yes, you did. Yes, and it's going to come out to Rochester. That was fun. Oh, I can imagine. Yes. I hope you took a lot of pictures. I took a lot of pictures, and I hope to God I can be able to put this thing back together. Well, luckily we have other machines you can take apart and match up again.
    88:21
    So, Bruce, me and Dad are going to Pinburg. We're going to be driving by Rochester on, I believe, the 23rd. yeah wednesday could we drop it off somewhere yeah you just drop it at my work and you meet me at work i'll give you the address oh at your work yeah just come to my work and i can just but you might be out by then what time you gonna be because usually we're not there until at least the afternoon well i leave work at 2 30 oh uh we could time it that way yeah aren't you right by um rpc rpc yeah yeah you just drop it off there because i think we did that last time yeah we met at our pc yeah so we'll we'll take that offline ladies and gentlemen but yes it's amazingly light when nothing is in it i'll say that it's super easy now it's really easy to move i mean it sucks that i did it but when i'm looking at it it's like at least i didn't damage any of the actual silk screen wood pieces because i would be screwed yeah you'd be screwed totally with that because not only is it silk screen not a decal but it's custom art for the DLE Spider-Man Black Let's see, did I repair anything else?
    89:31
    I don't think so I might have a lead on one of my possible Grail games Ooh, yeah, I know You know what's kind of a Grail game for me now?
    89:44
    I played a ton of Oh, God Yeah, it's a Grail, alright It's a Grail like in Indiana Jones and I drank the wrong one. That's what I think of when I think of Black Hole. Ah!
    89:59
    No. I play a shitload of it every time I'm at RPC. I know I'll probably never find one. The last one that was even on Pinside was like two years ago. What game do you think it is?
    90:11
    Don't know. Doggies? No. I played a ton of it and it's really hard to get. Gamitron? No. I don't play a ton of Gametron. That's your problem. Let me do the great call-outs. Or Bolper. Oh, hoops. Yes. I love my hoops. I fucking love hoops. We and Zach own half and half. But guess what? What? If you do find a Roach one, Brucie has an NOS play field. Oh, that's the one in the back, right? Yes.
    90:44
    I just... Wait a minute. Wasn't it... Didn't it have stuff on it? Was it populated? It's partially. Just bumpers and that kind of stuff. and pop yeah and the rails the wood rails but i yeah i played so much of that oh i love that game i also play a ton of junk i played a ton of judge dread man that game that game's heavy that game's heavy that'd just be fun to try to get that in the house yeah supposedly somebody has a game one of my grow games oh i have a list of 16 grow games still no whoa wait a minute all these years all the years 60 years you've been in the hobby you still have that many grow games yes i do you Would you like to read some of them? Would you like to know some of them? Yeah. What are some of Bruce's – I like this. I have it actually on my phone. What does that tell you? Bruce's Grail Games. Okay. Oh, God. Let's see if you can guess any. Okay. Let's see if you can guess – Well, you've got to get any clues. Well, you know some of them. I can take one off because I actually took one off a couple weeks ago. Fireball Classic because you already have it. No.
    91:44
    I've owned some of these. We're ending with this, folks. I've gone through everything. So this is Bruce's Grail Games. Maybe I'll give some of mine because I don't really have that many anymore. Okay. You know one or two. I know you do. I do? Yes.
    91:58
    I don't think so. What is Zach Many always wanted the best version of? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. So you want a Radical. Radical, of course. Yes. I want a Sonic Gammatron. Oh, God. So you want the one that was at Expo the one year? Yes. The Sonic Gammatron. Okay. I like The Last Action Hero.
    92:21
    Really? Okay. Yeah. That should be hard to get, one of those. No, I know. The original X-Men. Well, not hard for most people, but the prices you want to buy things at probably are hard for you. I know. Exactly. Yes. Last Action Hero. Original X-Men.
    92:36
    GoldenEye. Really? You already had an original X-Men. I did, but I want a pro. Okay. I don't want the moving ramp. GoldenEye. Yeah. I'll give you that. GoldenEye. Andromeda. Really? Yeah. I'd like to get Andromeda. Yeah, I'd rather have Cyclops if I had a game plan game. Yeah, I like Andromeda. Yeah, Cyclops is far more ass. I can put that on my list. I'm just thinking of you.
    93:04
    Sega Godzilla. I have a weird – I like that game. Actually, a lot of people like that game. That's Joe Balser when he still knew how to do flow. Yeah. That's before he lost his flow.
    93:16
    Baywatch. Yes. Robo War. Oh, okay. Sharky Shootout. Ah, yes. Mousin' Around. Mousin'? You really want a Mousin'? I would love to get a Mousin'. And how about, what is it? Casino. What was it called? Oh, High Roller Casino. It's on the list. Yeah. It is on the list. Yeah. Another Spider-Man. Okay. Yeah. I miss mine. He regrets it. Yes, I got it. Yep. Star Trek Next Generation I should have bought yours World Poker Tour if I can find one cheap World Poker Tour oh you didn't get one of those $2,600 ones from the Canadian distributor back in the day yeah new in box and then the last one is the one I have a dibs on right now and I think it might come through Torpedo Alley ah yes yeah I like those like Torpedo Alley, Secret Service Time Machine I like a lot of the early daddies yeah we got a Time Machine at the coop now yes I can't wait shoot again welcome to the 50s yes last game of Chimes yeah so far let's see do I have any crowd games well Hoops there are games I don't have room for and I probably wouldn't get I know, but... So I'd say, like, Judge Dredd. Mm-hmm.
    94:51
    If I had, like, another EM, it'd probably be, like, Far Out. No, you know, Zach's got a couple. Yeah. Taxi. I always loved Taxi. Yeah, I had a couple, so yes, I agree.
    95:05
    Not much else, really, at this point. Hmm. Every Keith Elwin game. honestly out of all the keith elman games i have which i i got godzilla i got um maiden and jurassic park i played maiden more than all of them the other two that's good so you like archer i played archer too i know just like i can't wait to play predator because i can say i played both yeah i played old predator and new predator you know the old The Predator had Arnold in it, but they didn't pay anything for it. No, I know.
    95:46
    Whoopsie. So, yes. Ron. Yes. Plug away. Oh, plug away. Yes, I think we're done. Yes, so we are the Slamtail Podcast. This has been episode 252. You can check us out at our website, www.slamtailpodcast.com. All our links are in the upper right-hand corner, including our Twitch channel. I did stream, I think, maybe since our last episode once. I think I did.
    96:20
    I'm also on another podcast, which we'll be recording soon for our next episode, which I can't tell you what it's going to be. Oh, boy. Yeah, but my other podcast is Silver Ball Chronicles. We talk about history Pinball history It's great Me and the host David Dennis I consider myself like a co-host in that one He's the main man The top dog The big cheese Big enchilada Tell them my Quicksilver's almost done baby Your Quicksilver's almost done You can reach us at our email address That's slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. If you want to send emails to the world-famous copyrighted ball bag. Yes.
    97:16
    And we're one of the few shows that talk with our listeners, and that's what I like about us. We really like to show our ball bag off to everyone. Yes, we show our ball bag off to everyone, yes. Everyone. We'll teabag anyone. Say hello to everyone in the Cluster. Hi, Cluster Buck. Hello, Cluster Buck. Hello, Zach. Hello, Jeff Teolas. Everybody. Hello, Steve Bowden. We're going to see a lot of you guys next month at the Beast. The Beast. When does the Beast happen, Bruce? Why don't you plug the Beast? You're going to be there. You're almost never in any shows. I know. I've got to look it up. Jesus Christ. You're going to be there, and you don't know when it is? The 31st to the 3rd, I think it is. Yes. It is the weekend after Pinnberg. So it's Thursday, 31st, yeah, to the 3rd. And at Pocketeer in Buffalo. Yes, and we have our date for the big tournament in the fall. The fall. And by that, you mean RPC. Yes, the fall brawl. You know, which we didn't plug. What does RPC mean, Bruce? What is that? That's the Rochester Pinball Collective in beautiful East Rochester, New York, with over 80 games of all the classics and all the games you've never played, like Rotation 8.
    98:34
    Well, I want to go there, Bruce, but it's not coming up in my Google Maps. So what's the address? 349 West Commercial Street in beautiful East Rochester, New York. Suite 2965.
    98:46
    And the website is rockpinball.com. That's R-O-C, pinball.com. And I lied if you put Rochester Pinball Collective in Google Maps. It will tell you where it is. It works perfectly. Yes. The date we're talking for, the fall brawl for the winter tournament. The fall brawl. Is that what you're calling it? Okay. Yep. It's what we called last year. Okay. It's going to be from Friday the 21st to the 23rd of November. Ah, so you can drive in in the snow. There's not going to be snow. You keep on saying that every year, and how much snow do we have last year? I got snowed on last year, and then we had the whole argument of whether I actually got snowed on or not. It's called dandruff. You snowed through dandruff. Jesus. It 100% snowed last year. Yes, and how many people went off the road? None. Oh, so that's all that matters. Okay. That's all that matters. Okay. All right. This has been episode 252. I think we're all done. We're going to have a guest on next time. Oh, we are. Yes. Okay. The people who have made our – my co-owners at the Rochester Pinball Collective are going to bring up their new opto set for the trough on the stern for Flight 2000, Gammatron, and I think one of the – Nineball. Nineball, yes. Nineball, the most important one, the best game of the bunch. Yes, it is. Okay. All right. Is that it, Bruce? I think that's it. Are you sure? buy tickets. Tickets go on sale. Tickets for Stop go on sale Saturday.
    100:27
    You can go to our Facebook page and look at all the information. 9 a.m. Eastern time. 32 spots only, so they're going to go super fast. Yes. Do I have any different games from last year? Well, I have Foo Fighters now. Foo Fighters. Yes.
    100:41
    And maybe I'll set up games upstairs. Who knows? Like more than the usual ACDC. That's always set up. but more and more people are telling me I should get rid of my dining room table I think you should too you don't use it that is true I cannot argue with the fact that I never use that table you never use it we'll see until next time say goodbye Bruce goodbye Lyle Alzado
    101:19
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    102:55
    Thank you.