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Episode 133 – Slam Tilt Sells Out

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Aug 18, 2019
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt's tournament sells out instantly; hosts discuss pinball drama amid Pinburgh coverage.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast episode 133 covers multiple topics: the hosts' local Stomp Three tournament sold out in 3 hours (expanded from 32 to 41 players), recent pinball community drama including an announcer controversy at Pinburgh and a Canadian distributor assault incident, Pinburgh tournament results and experiences, and updates on local pinball league developments.

Key Claims

  • Stomp Three tournament filled 32 spots in 3 hours on August 17th, requiring expansion to 40, then 41 spots

    high confidence · Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discussing their local tournament ticket sales

  • Pinburgh announcer made a joke that didn't land well, was criticized on social media for ~12 hours, then apologized

    medium confidence · Stewie (character) describing recent pinball drama to hosts

  • Christopher Franchi and Bowen Kerins have public conflict, attempted collaboration via Pinball Profile didn't happen

    medium confidence · Stewie referencing Canadian personality Jeff Chialis attempting to mediate between them

  • Nitro (Canadian distributor) owner assaulted someone at a bar, stepped down, wife allegedly posted disparaging comments about victim on Pinside under username

    low confidence · Stewie describing alleged incident; hosts note thread was locked by Pinside moderators

  • Nitro is one of two largest distributors in Canadian pinball industry and lost sponsorship of Vancouver Open after incident

    medium confidence · Stewie and hosts discussing Nitro's business impact

  • Ron Hallett placed highest among four guest players (Jeff Teolis, Jack Danger, Bruce Nightingale) at Pinburgh, winning $4,000 if bet at mybookie.net

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce recounting Pinburgh results

  • Keith Elwin won Pinburgh A Division championship, with Daniele second and Andrew Rosa II third

    high confidence · Ron reading Pinburgh results

  • Western New York Pinball League has 24 people signed up for next weekend across Rochester, Buffalo, and Syracuse

    high confidence · Ron mentioning league signup status

Notable Quotes

  • “We filled up at 12. 12, 12. It took three hours to fill up the spots.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~4:30 — Indicates extraordinary demand for local tournament, causing immediate expansion

  • “The 518 scene has gotten to be bigger. So now we actually have people in the immediate area who are like, holy shit, there's a tournament? I'm in.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ ~8:00 — Reflects growing local pinball community interest in upstate New York

  • “if you placed a bet at mybookie.net, if you placed it on Jeff Teolis, you lost. If you placed it on Jack Danger, you lost. If you placed it on Bruce Nightingale, you lost. But if you put your $10 on Ron Hallett to be the high finisher of those four, you would have won $4,000”

    Ron Hallett @ ~35:00 — Highlights Ron's strong Pinburgh performance and beating notable players

  • “Don't just snip it and blow up that one little section because it does put a black eye on everything because the whole stream was good. People on that stream were good.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~21:00 — Commentary on social media clip culture damaging tournament reputations

  • “Be prepared to say whatever you're going to say online to someone's face.”

    Stewie (character) @ ~18:00 — Meta-commentary on internet anonymity and accountability in pinball community

  • “I beat him twice. Just saying. Just saying. Hi Keith. I mean, honestly, well, one of them was that the EM with the monkey on it.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~40:00 — Playful reference to beating Keith Elwin at Pinburgh despite acknowledging his skill

  • “It was the fastest playing The Rolling Stones I've ever played. That thing was ridiculous.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~55:00 — Personal Pinburgh gameplay observation about machine performance variability

  • “They drove back to Cambridge, Massachusetts to get the truck, then drove that back to pick up the game.”

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonStomp Three: The Search for SulueventPinburgheventKeith ElwinpersonChristopher FranchipersonBowen Kerinsperson

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: Stomp Three local tournament sold out 32 spots in 3 hours (9 AM to 12 PM on August 17, 2024), indicating extraordinary demand for local competitive play

    high · Ron: 'We filled up at 12. 12, 12. It took three hours to fill up the spots.'

  • ?

    community_signal: 518 area (upstate NY) pinball scene has grown significantly; local tournament saw players from PA, MA, ME, NYC, plus numerous local entries

    high · Bruce: 'The 518 scene has gotten to be bigger. So now we actually have people in the immediate area who are like, holy shit, there's a tournament?'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Multiple concurrent controversies in pinball community: Pinburgh announcer incident, Christopher Franchi/Bowen Kerins conflict, Nitro distributor scandal; hosts debate whether to cover drama and responsibility of media amplification

    medium · Stewie lists three separate incidents; Ron critiques social media clip culture as damaging community reputation

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinburgh announcer's joke clip circulated for ~12 hours after social media amplification; incident highlighted tensions around keyboard vs. face-to-face accountability

    medium · Stewie: 'he was completely crucified and destroyed' after clip posted; Ron criticizes '30-second clip' reducing '5-7 hour stream'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Nitro (major Canadian distributor) lost sponsorship of Vancouver Open tournament after owner's assault incident and alleged harassment by company representative on Pinside

    medium · Stewie: 'they lost that after this all started' sponsorship of 'Vancouver Open' tournament

Transcript

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0:00
Yeah, can I help you? Yeah. We're gonna buy this beer and get drunk. Yeah? Well, you can't buy beer unless you're 21. Let me see some ID. Oh. Uh, well, we left our IDs in the truck. Yeah, yeah. The truck.
0:20
Oh, you guys are buying that pee water. I guess I can sell that crap to you. That's right, you can sell it to us. We're old.
0:30
coming to you from beautiful upstate new york this is the slam till podcast to show about all things pinball i'm your host ron hallett here with my co-host bruce nightingale stomp three The Search for Sulu. Yes, that's upcoming. And you can, well, maybe not. Well, we'll get into that. No, no, no. We're done. We've already filled it up and expanded it. So there's no need for this podcast. Okay. See you later, Ron. Have a good night. Yeah, well, we were going to talk about Pinberg, too. Oh. Yeah, one of the things we, this is episode 133. Hi, folks. Hi, guys. And one of the reasons of this, we were going to hype up Stop. Yes. And just to let you know this in typical Bruce fashion, if you remember our last episode, we said Stomp was going to be on September 28th. Yep. And then Bruce said, like, I'm going to put it in the IFPA this week. Yep. And that was Monday. And sure enough, Thursday I get a text from Bruce. He put in IFPA because, you know, Bruce is right on the ball and he tells me we're all set for September 21st. Yes. And he goes, what do you mean September 21st? What do you mean September 21st? And I said, we can't do September 28th because I have a big party at the bar.
1:50
Sorry. Oh, okay. September 21st. All right, fine. So you'd think, oh, man, half the people are going to back out. Well, no, we didn't even announce anything yet. Well, we told people that we knew. Yeah, but a lot of people go, stop, don't listen to our podcast, Bruce. I hate to tell you. Oh, my God. And then I know on multiple occasions I have stated how I wanted a max of no more than 32. So, of course, when Bruce put it out there, what did you say the max was? 32. No, you didn't. Originally it was 32. You said 36 on the first post. No, 32. I put it back because that's what it was. If you look at the Facebook, it says 32. Oh, we're going to get into that again. Okay. Well, when I saw it, it said 36. See? Either way. Yeah, now you know. Either way, Bruce posted it out there. Yep. And today was the day the tickets were going to go on sale, i.e., you send Bruce the money. Yep. I.e., I get to go on a vacation. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Bruce Nightingale @ ~76:00 — Illustrates dedicated collector behavior for acquiring machines at Saratoga show

Jeff Chialis
person
Nitrocompany
Zach Sharpeperson
Jack Dangerperson
Jeff Teolisperson
Saratoga Pinball Showevent
Western New York Pinball Leagueorganization
Bells and Chimesorganization
Eric Russellperson
Dr. Pennperson
Doug Polkaperson
Danieleperson
Andrew Rosa IIperson
Stewieperson
  • ?

    competitive_signal: Keith Elwin won Pinburgh A Division; Ron Hallett outperformed higher-profile guests (Jack Danger, Jeff Teolis, Bruce Nightingale) at tournament; upstate NY players placed well across divisions

    high · Ron: 'if you put your $10 on Ron Hallett to be the high finisher of those four, you would have won $4,000'; Eric Russell 8th B, Zach Sharpe 16th B, Dr. Penn 2nd E

  • ?

    venue_signal: Strong collector activity at Saratoga show; buyer from Cambridge, MA purchased Zach Sharpe's Super Score machine and drove to collect it immediately

    high · Bruce: 'They drove back to Cambridge, Massachusetts to get the truck, then drove that back to pick up the game'

  • ?

    community_signal: Local pinball league infrastructure expanding: Bells and Chimes Albany chapter ratified after being stalled; Western NY Pinball League has 24 sign-ups across Rochester/Buffalo/Syracuse

    high · Ron: 'Albany chapter...was finally ratified'; 'Western New York Pinball sign-ups are next weekend...24 people'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts express frustration with social media callout culture and how clip-based criticism damages broader community perception; note disconnect between online and in-person interactions

    high · Ron: 'my opinion is I just hate the drama'; discusses people who 'attack each other' online but stay silent at events

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Ron experienced high variance on The Rolling Stones during Pinburgh, hitting 50M+ while others scored under 10M; attributed to game condition/tuning variability

    medium · Ron: 'I proceeded to get, like, 50 million. No one else got over 10. Destroyed it.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Evidence of active secondary market trading; machines being transported across regional distances (MA to NY) for acquisition

    high · Super Score sale from MA buyer to NY operator via Saratoga show

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinburgh had significant podcast community presence (Jeff Teolis, Jeff Parsons, Steph & Crystal, unnamed others); indicates tight integration between tournament competitive scene and media personalities

    high · Ron: 'it was like the podcast brigade'; lists multiple podcasters attending/socializing together

    • 2:54
    And the reason you want to send Bruce the money is because it's $25 if you send him the money now and $35 at the door, trying to get people to commit. Yes. You know, so we don't end up, like, with five people there. So we figured, you know, we'll put this thing out there and we'll record today and we'll hype it. And hopefully it'll, like, get close to filling up by September 21st. but something weird happened voodoo it must be the autumn equinox yeah it must be because we moved it to september yeah we we did like a mini pinberg holy shit did we so you put it out when did you put it out there nine i put it oh i'm gonna go right now and look at it well basically he put it out there last week and then it said like you can start sending money on 9 a.m on Saturday, the day we're recording here, which is the 17th, August 17th. Yep. And how long did it take to fill up all the spots? We filled up at 12. 12, 12. It took three hours to fill up the spots. So then Bruce, he texted me like, do you want to expand? And I'm like, no.
    4:06
    But I said, you know, come on. Hey, we got to do this, this. We got a lot of people waiting. Yeah. So we expanded to 40. And even that wasn't enough. No, it wasn't enough. Because in the last 12 seconds, we had four spots. And in the last 12 seconds of buying tickets, we had five groups of people. We had a two, a one, and a two group of people buy. They're not groups of people. If they were different groups of people, you mean entries or just people in general. Payments, yes. I love the Bruce-isms. So I feel it's bad that cut out one person, which is really two people, because you'd say, okay, well, you can't come because your significant other can't come.
    4:54
    So we're going to expand it to 41. I'm assuming that one person will back out about that. Yeah, two people will back out, and then everyone will beg me to play. Exactly. Love it. So – and just to put your mind at ease. Wait a second. We have a post right now from the count of people that is now posted on the Slamtail podcast page stating all 41 players. Zach, 48. 48.
    5:21
    Jesus. And what do you say to that, Ron? God, no, no. It was a sweatbox when we had the 30, whatever, like the first year. But it wasn't a summer. It wasn't a summer, but, you know, we have global warming, and I think it's going to be any cooler. The thing is, I think what's, yeah, I'm looking at this. What's filling it up also is the fact that the 518 scene has gotten to be bigger. Big. So now we actually have people in the immediate area who are like, holy shit, there's a tournament? I'm in. Yeah, it's a good selection. I think if we go to the list, are you looking at it right now? I'm looking at the list right now, Bruce. Okay, we have people from Pennsylvania, New York City, Middletown, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo.
    6:12
    Where's Leslie and Joe from? Is that Massachusetts or Maine? I think it's Massachusetts. And then we have also another group from Massachusetts, Binghamton. We have a ton of people that are all over the place and from 518 area. And to put your mind at ease, Scott, you're both in. Yes. It's gotten terrible. Yeah, because we figured that you wouldn't see any of the Facebook posts or anything. Because he doesn't believe in Facebook. So I spotted you your money. Mm-hmm. And that might be a good segue. He doesn't believe in Facebook, and that might be a good thing. Because there's been a lot of pin drama since we last recorded. No, there's no pin trauma in pinball. Yes. And according to the Eclectic Gamers podcast, we need to talk about it, or we're not doing our job. Wow. Right, Dennis? Oh, I guess we're not the one. And I've listened to a few other ones, and they mentioned it in different ways. Yeah, and what are we going to do? I don't know. Are we considered like a serious podcast, Bruce? Oh, fuck no. Exactly. So I'm going to ask the questions to a guest. He's very opinionated. And he's very young. He's very young. So he's probably up more with the social media and stuff than we are. Let me see if we can get him online.
    7:27
    Actually, I have him right here. And what I'll do, I'll patch him in and I'll go on mute so I don't bother you. Okay, good. Hello, caller. How are you today? Oh, hello, Bruce. How's it going? I'm so happy to be on your show. Oh, wow, Stewie, it's you. How are you doing today? I've just had a diaper change, so I'm feeling clean. I'm feeling ready to rock and roll. Oh, you must love Lois.
    7:51
    Don't mention Lois, please, please. We were talking about some kind of social media thing. Yes. So have you heard what's going on?
    8:01
    Well, let's see. I've heard a couple of different stories. There was one about something that happened during Pinberg about some announcer like trying to be funny and it didn't come off well. And then he was pretty much destroyed later on when the clip was posted to social media. Is that one of them? I think that's one. We'll start with that one, Stewie. What is the social media Stewie's view on this? Well, he was trying to be funny I mean, not as funny as me, of course That's not very possible But, you know, he was someone who was self-deprecating He was self-deprecating And it didn't work out too well for him And he failed miserably And the funny thing is I believe he apologized at the time Or at least apologized after the broadcast And the next day It was clipped by a goat Not Keith Owen Goat But another goat clipped it And then it was I believe put out there by Pinball Jesus, put it out there, and it just kind of took off for maybe 12 hours. It was a thing. Basically, he was completely crucified and destroyed, and then he came on and, I apologize. I'm sorry. I thought this was over, and he gave his phone number and everything, and everything was okay, and that one pretty much died. Okay. Wow. So what else have you seen in the pinball drama this past week or past two weeks, actually? It seems that Christopher Franchi and Bowen Cairns do not get along. What? Yes, yes. I know. Wait a second. Two high-profiled people in our little niche group do not get along? No, not at all. Not at all. I believe that Canadian guy, what's his name? The Profile Pinball. What's the name of that show again? Oh.
    9:48
    Pinball Profile. Jeff Chialis. Shmef Chialis. Yes. Schmeff. Yes, yes, that's right. He tried to get them together for some kind of – I don't know what he was hoping to do. I think it was a patty cake, like, you know. No, I think he wanted to get them to, like, face off. It's Owen versus Christopher or something, you know, but that didn't happen. And my guess is they probably still don't like each other and probably never will. Yeah, probably. I would assume with that. Was anyone right or wrong or just a differing of minds? Um, well, you know, Stewie doesn't really like to, I mean, I don't know. You know, there are certain ways an octopi should look, and I'm not sure that was the right way. Okay. Anything else, Stewie? Um, let's see. I'm missing something that's the big story. Oh, oh, that's right. That's right. There's that distributor. What was it? Nitro? Nitro. Yes, a wacky Canadian out in Vancouver. Yes, the owner assaulted someone at a bar and then was completely destroyed online, and he gave up control of the company to his wife. Yes. And then his, well, supposedly his wife, under a Pinside username, just started saying some very disparaging things about the victim of the original assault. Wow. Yes. And what happened with that? I don't know. I mean, it's Pinside, so it probably went on for a while, and then they probably locked the thread or something. I don't know. Yes, they did. They actually did lock the thread. Yes. So I don't know if it was really her or not or what, but, you know, it's fairly – yes, yes. What are your thoughts on this one, Stewie? I mean, if she actually did that, that's incredibly stupid. I don't know why he would do that. And the thing to remember here is Nitro is one of the largest distributors in Canada. Isn't he one of the main ones? No, there's actually two. Okay, so there's two. That's two. But, I mean, they have sponsorships, I believe, you know, IFPA. I believe they're on the page. They sponsored pinball shows, and then they lost that after this all started. Oh, yes, when he stepped down, they had to cancel the one show that they're the main sponsor for. I don't remember which one that was, but, you know. It was the Vancouver Open, if I remember correctly. Oh, the Vancouver Open, yes, yes. I don't know how we address these problems in pinball. How do we all get along except for singing kumbaya together? You know, those social media thing is very interesting. I've noticed, I've seen people like online attack each other like big time, and then I've seen them together at like events and not say anything to each other. Yeah. You know, I think... Your keyboard commandoing is a little drastic. I would say, be prepared to say whatever you're going to say online to someone's face. Exactly. And that's the easiest thing I could say, Except for Bruce. I mean, because Bruce doesn't care. Realize that. Bruce does not care what you think about him. I don't. But the way I look at it is this. Maybe if the person wants to talk about it, the one that was, you know, beating up or bashed on, guess what? Don't blast it out to thousands of people or even hundreds of people. It's not worth it. It really isn't. Let the people who are involved just deal with it. If it's on a major stream, that kind of stuff, talk about it. Don't just snip it and blow up that one little section because it does put a black eye on everything because the whole stream was good. People on that stream were good. And think about it. Five hours or six hours or maybe even seven hours of streaming all gets whittled down to a 30-second clip. and that's that's a disappointment for our hobby and for the people in our hobby who are playing and earn the right of it to be the top 16 and then one person's actions as he stated as a mistake and truthfully so it happened guess what and he apologized and i think she accepted his apology finally i think i'm not 100 sure of that so don't quote me on that one leave that big and i believe I believe he apologized at the time, like maybe after the broadcast. Oh, he did. He did. And they thought it was over, and then like the next day, it's like, oh, here it is again. Interesting. Yes. Yeah. So I feel, you know, guess what? People are stupid. I'll be the first to admit I am. Oh, that's very true. You should see poor Ron and what he has to do with his editing. You don't know, Ron, what Ron does. Ron sleeps and eats chocolate all day. No, he told me he has to edit all your crap out, your extremely offensive things. Hey, how about them Yankees? Oh, they're kicking ass this year, I should say Yes, they are Wait a minute, I'm supposed to be a Red Sox fan No, screw them What I will say is, you know, pinball isn't perfect And a lot of things really need to improve But I also say, for those in the call-out culture You better make sure you don't have any skeletons in your closet Because if they ever get out there Oh, shit. Are you going to get it? Yeah, I agree. And that's a bad thing. It really is. You know, guess what? You could screw up. Anybody could screw up. People have screwed up because there was another little piece of drama for something else. Oh, a piece of drama. That sounds like a good title. Let me take that down. Piece of drama.
    15:19
    I'll give that one to Ron. He might like that one. It may be, but there was another one where somebody said something or made a comment about a picture, and it blew up there too. And guess what? Everyone has an opinion, and they state it. Some people take offense to it, but it's going to happen almost any time. That's it. Done. Enough said. And if you have any opinions on this, be sure to send them to slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. And attention, Stewie. Attention, Stewie. Yes, I'll be back to read them. Yes, yes. Yes, he will. Aren't you glad I'm on here? Because, I mean, if you had, like, Gene Simmons on here, I'm sure you would have a very one-sided opinion. Oh, yes. Maybe we should get Gene as a... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sure just about every woman would be extremely offended by anything he says. Yes, I think so, too. I mean, the title of his album was Asshole. That's all you need to know. Yes. Okay, hold on. I'm going to get Ron back on here now. Thanks, Stewie, for coming on. See you later, and go Red Sox! No. All right. Did he just say go Red Sox? He did. I hate to say it, Rod. He did. Red Sox are 17 and a half games behind the Yankees. Yeah, they might not even make the playoffs, right? Aren't they like way out of wild card? Yeah. No, they're about eight out of or seven and a half out of wild card right now. Ah, okay.
    16:38
    Savages, man. Fucking savages in the box. Yes. Oh, I want that. I saw a T-shirt for that already. There you go. Savages in the box. And the Yankee fans will know what I'm talking about. Anyone else have no clue? Of course not. So we got an opinion from Stewie. So I'm going to let you hear it in editing and see what you want to do with that, Ron, because I know you're not listening at all to that. Yeah. Let's see. My opinion is I just hate the drama. But, I mean, when you have a lot of things going on, a lot of different personalities, there's going to be clashes, and it all seems to happen in public, unfortunately. It does. I mean, some of it is stupid. Like, if that was really the wife there saying all that stuff. He's a moron. That's one of the dumbest things you could do. That's just so dumb. Why would you do that? Yeah. I don't understand it. It's on fire. Here's some more gasoline. Exactly.
    17:34
    I will say, on the bright side, bells and chimes. We'll be having an Albany chapter. It was finally ratified. They are waiting on the final paperwork. There's a lot of stuff you've got to go through to get this done. Oh, yes. Kathy started it, and then she stopped. She was like, oh, my God, I don't have time for all this stuff. So there's going to be like their logo and all that, and they're supposed to have their first meeting coming up soon. Good. I volunteered level zero as a location. Ooh.
    18:02
    So Western New York Pinball sign-ups are next weekend. We're going to have 24 people signing up for Western New York Pinball League.
    18:11
    And by Western New York, you mean where? We mean Rochester, Buffalo, and Syracuse. Isn't Syracuse more central New York? Yeah, well, we can include him.
    18:21
    Okay. We include him. What else is on the docket? We got to talk about the Pinberg? How about the Pinberg? Even though we're a little late on this. Yeah, well, we're always late because I was unreachable again last week. Bruce was sick. I was sick. I was actually chills and coughing and everything. I was terrible. You sound good now, though. I feel great compared to... Oh, uh-oh. That's not good for my editing. I feel great. Oh, there's the yawn. He's like, what was it? You ever see Time Bandits? No. I hated that movie. My sister used to watch it all the time. Okay, Time Bandits is awesome. Don't listen to Bruce. But there's this one character that, like, you know, when he can cough again, he's like, oh, I can cough again. That's kind of Bruce. I can yawn again. I can yawn very well. Pinberg was awesome. Yes, it was. It was the best Pinberg I ever had playing, that's for sure. Yes, it was. Totally agree. We were unstoppable for the upstate New York, too. We did really well. We did. And I'd just like to say, if you placed a bet at mybookie.net. If you placed it on Jeff Teolis. You lost. If you placed it on Jack Danger. You lost. If you placed it on Bruce Nightingale. You lost. But if you put your $10 on Ron Hallett to be the high finisher of those four, you would have won $4,000. because I was the victor. By one point. Oh, man. It was interesting playing in A and playing in groups with, you know, players like. I played with Gagno. I played with Eric Stone. I played with Andrew Rosa II.
    20:07
    Me too. Played with your idol, Mr. No Trap himself. I love him. Oh, my God, Andre. Andre Massinkoff. You had Keith, didn't you? Yes. Oh, yes. I played the one, the goat. And I just want to say out of the four games we played I beat him twice Nice Just saying Just saying Hi Keith I mean honestly well one of them was that the EM with the monkey on it they have it at Sanctum. You know the one I'm talking about? It's like a valley. Oh, high-low?
    20:41
    I don't think it's called high-low. It's got a monkey on the back glass. It's actually not a bad play field, but it's a terrible rule set where basically every like seven switch hits the right orbit lights for double bonus so if you don't happen to have the ball by your flippers when it's lit so you can take a shot at it you are screwed i won that game list here we go sanctum and then i'm more proud on my part is i beat keith at congo Ooh, high deal. High deal. Okay, there you go. Yeah, that's right.
    21:17
    Yep, that game sucks. It does. It sucks so bad that even Keith kicked it. Wow. He kicked the leg, did a little slide. Then Congo, I got up my third ball. I'm like 20 million down from Keith, and I have multi-ball ready. I need the third lock. So I figure if I can do the super skill shot, I believe that's like 20 million. It's like I got him right there. I do the super skill shot. I actually hit it. You know, in super skill shot in Congo is you plunge the out lane. Yes. The kickback puts it back into play, and I one-time it, left orbit, third lock, multi-ball starts. Oh, that was cool. Woo-hoo. Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo. We got to play a lot of Rush.
    21:59
    Yes, we did. That was fun. We're going to try to get something for the bar. Yeah, it got Bruce's Rush sensibilities going. It did. That's the Bruce Rush experience. So what, what you're going to, you're going to get those for the bar. I'd like to definitely, that would be a nice bring back. At least get two or three, maybe four. They're always fun. Oh yeah. They're always fun. What else? Uh, great seeing people. Oh yeah. It's like the pin family. I mean, there's so many that just, we got to see Martin, Martin made it. Yep. Mrs. Penn, Dr. Penn. Yep. Dr. Uh, from Australia, Dr. And Emily. Dr. John Cosson, Emily and Dr. John. Yep. Yeah. And it was like a podcaster's – we had Jeff Teolis, Jeff Parsons. We had Steph and Crystal. Yep. We just had so many – it was like the podcast brigade. It was nice. I had a really good time. We had Jeff Teolis with us a lot of the times. It was really, really good. I enjoyed it very much. I had a good year. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We both made A. And I had to pay Ron $1. Yep, because we had our bet who would finish higher. So he paid me $1, but you, of course, couldn't just give me $1. Nope. Gave you $5 Canadian.
    23:16
    You suck, Bruce. I do. Thank you. But I missed the playoffs by one point. Yep, I missed it by two. And we were 13th out of all the groups. So Upstate New York showed pretty well. Eric Russell made 8th in B. B, Zach made 16th in B. So very good shout-outs for both of our upstate players. And Dr. Penn got second in E. Yes, he did. Congratulations. Congrats. I know on my final round, I kept hearing this, like, five. Like, if I had five, I was in. Which actually wasn't totally true. If I had five, I would have been in a playoff. Yeah. Which someone did the calculation and said I would have been in if I had got that. Mm-hmm. So we were playing, what did we play? We played Hurricane, let's see, Rolling Stones, some stupid EM, another one-player EM shit, and I'm trying to think of the, oh, and Solar Fire. Mm. So we played the EM first, and I got, I remember the score. I got 7-7-7. It's a one-player EM, so it's one of those. And I was, like, player one, I think. One or two. So I got to see everyone pass me. So I got last. Isn't that great? Beautiful. Yeah. So then I played, what was the next game? This game was Hurricane, which that game kind of sucks. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So everyone was starting off the game the same way. You plunge, it comes around, you hold the lift flipper up, bounce it over the right flipper, and then start hitting the center ramp until you get to millions and until it's not worth anything anymore. And then hit other stuff. You played Mini Zag. Mini Zag, yeah, that piece of shit. Okay. I got 2180 on it. I got second place. Oh, yeah, I played it one time after, like the next day, and I got over 2,000. Of course I did. Whatever. Hurricane, like the first ball, I did the thing. I hit the ramp a bunch of times, and the second time I played it, I did the thing. if I could have done the thing the third time, I would have got second. But instead I got third. So now I have one point after two games. So it's not looking good.
    25:35
    So then we get to Solar Fire. And that was a, I think it was a tight game amongst three of us. And it was just like keep it up top and hit the drop targets.
    25:46
    And, again, I just missed out on getting at least a third. So I got a zero. So now I have one point. So I figure I'm done. So the last game is Rolling Stones. Stern Rolling Stones. I picked a go first. Like, what the hell?
    26:02
    And I proceeded to get, like, 50 million. No one else got over 10. Destroyed it. And, man, that was the fastest playing Rolling Stones I've ever played. That thing was ridiculous.
    26:16
    You ever have those games that, like, people, like, everyone seems to, like, they're hitting everything. and even when they miss, they never drain, but you, like, miss once and drain. Oh, that was my Rolling Stones experience. Well, mine was the opposite. Like, I was hitting everything, and even when I missed, I would never drain. It was awesome. So I won that, and I got four, and then found out that, yeah, I missed out by one point,
    26:43
    which Raymond, Raymond Davidson commented. He saw that. It's like, wow. It's like, you really don't like cashing, do you? thanks raymond love it so never be cashing once again and we have to congratulate the goat ah yes the goat keith he won again and it was over by the he won they play four games by the uh the third game was f14 tomcat which i believe he won and then that was it the fourth game it didn't even matter as far as the who who actually won yep he won again and i got it right in front of me because I am a prepared podcaster.
    27:22
    Yes, it was Keith Elwin in first, and then I believe it was a playoff between Daniele and Andrew Rosa the second for second, and I believe Daniele ended up second, Andrew Rosa the second ended up third, and Chris Stevens ended up fourth.
    27:40
    I think this is at least the second or third time Chris Stevens has been in the final four. He has. Yeah. That was A, A division. And we said Dr. Penn ended up finishing second in E. Let's see, what else? Then we had Whipped, which was on Sunday. And that was won by, oh boy, Holly Koskinen. Hopefully I said that right. She won with Rachel, I'll just say first names, Rachel in second. Carrie, well, Carrie Wing in third. And Priyanka in fourth. and then for the intergalactic which i didn't realize that was like a strikes thing ryan wanger of comet pinball won it all that's going to be a ton of whoppers right isn't it the whole isn't it the thing about the intergalactic it's like whopper heaven oh yeah i i played in that i didn't do well i didn't play because i went home yeah because you do that but i did get all 10 games in. Basically, if you want to play in Intergalactic, I'll give you some advice. Pre-register and then play Friday night when there's hardly anyone there. Play all the controllable games, like, you know, the more controllable, like Twilight Zone, like the newer games,
    28:55
    and maybe you'll get in, because that's what most of the people got in did. If you were trying to get in, like, Saturday, at a certain point, there was, like, an hour to two hour waits on some of the games.
    29:06
    And I'm talking, like, there was, like, a 40-minute wait on things like Fireball. Anything else about Finberg? No, I think that's about it, except for I had a really good time. The setup, games were great. I had no issues, no problems. Yeah, shout out to all the techs from one tech to another. Yes, all the techs, all the people ran, you know, the TDs with Elizabeth and with, I don't know, brain farting right now. There was a head TD there. He was at my bar the day after. Jesus fucking Christ. And we had him on the show once, too. Yeah, I know. Can you tell me, asshole? I'm just going to let you hang out there. Okay, I'll just ignore it then. Because I don't remember either.
    29:48
    Oh, that's so bad. And he's on the, oh, God. He's on the Papa TV like every week. We had him on the damn show. I know we did. Let's look him up.
    29:59
    Doug Polka. That was embarrassing. Yeah, that is embarrassing. They came to the bar, too, right after Papa. Right after Papa? Yeah, right after Pinnberg.
    30:10
    As he's eating, as I can hear him. Thank you, Bruce. Starving. Yeah. Think of our listeners. They don't want to hear you eat. They can. Doug Polka doesn't want to hear you eat after you forgot his name. You forgot it, too. Yeah, I did. That's embarrassing. I'm usually better with names. Really did brain fart. We had him on the freaking show. And you're supposed to be the better one of the two of us. Well, I am, but yes. Oh, boy. All right. That was Pinberg. Good time had by all. I'm definitely going to this year stay at the Drury. Oh, the Drury was awesome. Yeah, I'm going to stay there. The Drury rules. Yeah, I stayed at the other place, and it was good. It was nice. But I think the Drury with the free food, I'm all in for that. Oh, the free food, yes. All in. All in with the free food. All in. So Pinberg is not the only show that occurred since our last episode. Yes, we had our annual show in Saratoga. Yeah. Ooh, and I missed.
    31:07
    Saratoga. Yes, the one you were going to bring games to that you missed. Yep, because I got too busy at the bar again. Yeah, yeah. It was actually the weekend after Pinbur. And it's at the Saratoga YMCA.
    31:21
    YMCA. Same place it always is. Interesting thing this year, though. This has nothing to do with the show. The vending machines there. Right? This is the third year we've had the show there. The first two years, when I went to the vending machines, they have all healthy stuff. If you wanted a soda or a candy bar or something, you weren't going to get one in their vending machines. This year, they actually had a couple of soda items and some candy bars. Oh, nice. Interesting. I wonder if that means people complained, like, damn it, I'm working out. I want something good to eat. Yeah, hell yeah. It was a fun time. I mean, it's a much smaller show. Yep. I mean, but we had about the same amount of people there as last year. There was a ton of VMs if you wanted some older game action. You definitely could get that there. I brought Sea Witch. Zach brought, like, four games. He sold one of them. He sold the Super Score. This is funny. So he had the Super Score there for, like, whatever price he had on it. A person comes up, says, like, yeah, will you take so and so for it? It's like, yep, okay. And they come down from Cambridge, Massachusetts. So they're going to buy the game. So then they leave for a while, and then they come back. They drove back to Cambridge, Massachusetts to get the truck, then drove that back to pick up the game. Wow. Yeah. Hopefully they enjoy their super score. Wow. The Sea Witch, I had an issue with one of the targets, just phantom registering over and over, and just cut off the capacitor. That was the issue. Flaky capacitor. guess how many plays my see which or sorry my father see which got at the show 212 higher wow 400 you have one more guess was i higher or lower i can't tell you how much we close I'm saying now 520. 600 plays. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Not bad for Beatles. Not bad for Beatles Lite. We're not as good as Beatles. And now it is back at its home in my father's house. We got him to clear out that room. There you go. Go, Dad. Yep. So he's got an actual pin room now. Let's see. Anything else from the show? We always have the golf tournament there. which I was in the final eight. And just had the money? No, I did get some money. What? But like we played, what was it? It was three games.
    34:01
    Yeah, three games per the round of finals. And it was golf scoring. So we were still using the golf score. So I got a three par, I guess, on, well, no. I got three on Flintstones, a one on Maverick. So then we had to play hand glider. remember when I said that high deal game with it's terrible rule set it's bullshit hand glider is the same exact thing where the doubler it just randomly lights every so many switch hits and we were just playing three balls so the first ball plunged left out lane, never touched it second ball I actually got to play a little bit but the doubler I think it's the same shot too, the right orbit, never lit Third ball, house ball again, never touched it. Isn't that great? I was eliminated there. Ouch. Yeah, ouch.
    34:55
    Yeah, so the winner of the golf, the pin golf, was Matt Wall, local, Steve Daniels, who ran the tournament. He took second. Our own Zach, hi, Zach, took third. And Howard Levine took fourth. Ta-da. Nice job, guys. and now we have people actually asking to be waitlisted for Stomp. What? Two people so far. You're kidding. No, I'm not. What the hell is going on? Are we like the destination place for September turrets? What the hell? Maybe, but oh my gosh. Oh my God. Guys, I don't have that much room in the house. I mean, it will be cooler, hopefully. For Stomp, I intend to have a lot of chairs up on the second floor. Come on up. Get out of the heat. hopefully it won't rain so the deck will be open that will be nice all right what else do we got here that was just that was the saratoga show yeah they did have they had these other displays at the saratoga show where you could you could buy um costumes for movies and one of them was actually from demolition man you should have bought it and just draped it over the demo man that would have been funny cool but something happened before the saratoga show that made me recognized at the show huh i was on the news oh yes you were yes ron was on the 9-1-1 police blotter no no no and i was not on unsolved mysteries believe it or not oh god we're going to all those old shows in search of i was not on that either There you go. We're really dating ourselves there. Leading up to the Saratoga show, WRGB, which is like the CBS affiliate here in Albany, they were looking to do a story on somebody, like a collector or someone, leading up to the Saratoga show. And I plugged Ron for this. So I did something I never do. I volunteered.
    36:52
    So they came over. It's for a segment called Positively Upstate. So if you actually Google Positively Upstate in my name, you will find a link to the video. Excellent police plotter. They came over. They were in for like 45 minutes, and it aired I think the Wednesday before the Saratoga show.
    37:14
    And it's about – it's only like two, two and a half minutes. And hopefully I don't look too weird. I haven't watched it. It's not bad. I like it. You did a good job. I guess, yeah, I guess I was listening to the Head to Head Pinball podcast. Hi, guys. And they saw it and said it came across okay. You know how I am at watching stuff I'm on. You don't. But I still wanted to actually download it. Although I never watch stuff, I always want to archive it. It's kind of one of my things. And the version that's out there on their site is terrible. It's, like, not even DVD-level quality. and I just, I can't, I can't seem to get a source of the, I mean, the guy had a camera that probably cost more than any game I have there that filmed it, yet I can't get any HD footage of this. What a majestic person who contacted you. I did. I asked the reporter, but she's not totally into the tech side, and she said, did you try Facebook? And it's like, yeah, but the Facebook is just a link to your site that has the crap. It's terrible. Yeah, so I don't think I'm going to get anything there. The only chance I have if someone DVR'd it off of the television broadcast, I would assume that was in high def.
    38:24
    I had some people recognize me at the show because of it. Which was weird. Did anyone come up and hug you? No, no one came up and hugged me. They did at Pinberg, though. How many? A few.
    38:38
    Thanks, Bruce. Oh, my next note here says, Bruce's birthday. There was? Yeah, you had a birthday, according to this. I did. Happy birthday to Bruce. And you had a party at Silver Ball Saloon. We did. Where is the Silver Ball Saloon, Ron? Where is the Silver Ball Saloon, Bruce? No, I'm asking you this time.
    39:02
    135 West Commercial Street, East Rochester, New York. Did I get it right? You did. Bite me. Yeah! Woo-hoo! And that's where it was. Yes, I had a good time. I had a very good time. I enjoyed it a lot. Thank you, guys. Whoever came out, I had some pinball. The Syracuse guys came out. A couple of Rochester guys came out and played pinball all night. I was very grateful. It makes me feel, you know, it's been 21 years since, you know, the Big C, so I'm very grateful for what I have. Thank you, guys. The Big 5-0, how does it feel? I'm not up to your level yet. I'm never going to stop saying that. And that's why I keep on rushing you, right?
    39:41
    Oh, man. We even sent Bruce birthday wishes remotely. Yes, you did, and that was really cool. That was very, very nice.
    39:51
    We're doing a good thing next month. What are you doing that's good, Bruce? This is what you should come out for on the 7th of September. Okay, 7th of September. What should I come out for, Bruce? We have two spots left. You can become a bartender behind a bar for half an hour. Oh, God, no. Uh-huh. No, no, no, no, no, no. You give $30, and it goes to the local Humane Society, which is Lollipop Farm for us. Oh, okay. See? And you get to be a bartender behind the bar with half an hour with neither me or Kathy. You're not going to be mixing drinks on your own. Yeah, people ask for drinks. I have no idea what they mean. That would be great. But you'll be able to serve them. And then what we're trying to do is bring people, you know, so they bring their friends in, and they donate money. And the whole weekend, we're going to be earning money. And it's also Kathy's birthday weekend. So it's going to be a big, big party at this bar. But we're trying to earn enough money for the animals in our area to give them, hopefully, a good home. They don get put down Me and Kathy are big into animals You know we still have our 15 Doxon Gigi around here somewhere She probably lying in bed She getting really old and sleepy as you saw her when you saw her last week or two weeks ago So it's a good cause. That's going to be on September 7th. So come on out for that if you can, if you're in the area. But we have two spots left, and they're only $30 deposits. And you can become a bartender behind a bar. so they can ask like do you have that on draft and i'll be like what does that mean and we'll prep you a lot of locals are doing it for us and hopefully we'll be getting a lot of money for it so people and dogs will be and cats and everything else they even do horses and dogs and cats and horses living together so a good cause and that is september 7th And that's actually Kathy's birthday weekend. So we're a big party there also. And Kathy's parents are finally going to see the bar for the first time ever. They've never seen it, and they're coming up for a week, and they're going to visit me and Kathy. And they get to check out the new V-Hickle. The new V-Hickle. I thought you said pickle for a second. Nope. V-Hickle. So is this a pinhauler? This is a pinhauler. What is it, Bruce? Is it diesel? No. Fail. But I don't need it to be diesel when I can throw 5,000 pounds. It is a Kia Telluride. Now, look that up, Ron. What? A Telluride? Yeah, Telluride. Just like – Spell that. I have no idea what that – like, Tell-U-Ride? You've got exactly – Oh, Telluride. Kia. All right. I'm looking that up now. Okay. I'm looking at it. It is a monster. It is? Okay. It is. I'm just seeing the pictures. Three-row seating. It can tow 5,000 pounds. It can fit a pinball machine or two EMs in it. It's like the SUV and minivan merger. Yeah. It's a monster. So Kathy got that. I don't get new cars. I get the old cars.
    42:58
    So what does it get, like 10 miles a gallon? 25 I've gotten with it so far. And it's bigger than the Escape. It's about the size of an Explorer. A little bigger than Explorer. So not too shabby. Yeah, her lease came up on her escape, so we were getting rid of that, and we got this instead. I let her drive this, and she's like, oh, my God, this thing is incredible. Yep. So we figured it out. We got it. And it's the new pin hauler. Cool. Yes.
    43:25
    You know, you were talking about your upcoming Western New York league. I had two of the leagues I'm in, well, the only two leagues that I'm in, finish up over the last couple weeks. Isn't that exciting, Bruce? 1-1, didn't you? Well, first we had the Excelsior League, which is the one at the Excelsior Pub. We had finals, which were, how do we do this? It was like double elimination bracket. Okay. And a couple days before the finals, the Simpsons Pinball Party was taken out of Excelsior and replaced by the Dialed In that was there last season. Ugh. So I was thrilled. Unlike you, Bruce. I was thrilled. Like, yes. Yeah, whatever, Bruce. Dialed in is awesome. So let's just say I won.
    44:18
    I won. I picked Dialed In a lot. Really? Yeah. And it ended up being our top seed, Jeff. He kept picking Twilight Zone. Why? Because he was killing it. That's like his specialty. Then he had a bad game on it and he got eliminated.
    44:37
    And he was the top seed. I was like the second or third seed. So then I got to pick. Dialed in again. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Dang. Yep.
    44:48
    So that was Excelsior League. And then we had the, I don't know what you call this. It's a league in Troy. We played the Wolf Spear Garden. they have a Deadpool, a Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and Striker's Stream. So one good game. Okay, I gotcha. No, actually there's only one game out of the three that I don't like playing. That would be Ghostbusters. I'd rather play Ghostbusters than what was the one that you said also?
    45:20
    I don't mind Striker's Stream. I don't mind Striker's Stream at all. What's the other one? Deadpool I like. Star Wars. No, that's terrible. No, I would rather play Star Wars than Ghostbusters. No, I'd rather play Ghostbusters because there's a way to play Ghostbusters. There's a way to play Star Wars, too. Yeah, it's a bad way. No? Okay. So this is typical for me. I walk in. I thought it was just another league night. I didn't realize it was actually finals because you know how much I pay attention to things. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, shit. And like, well, it's Kate's finals, so how are we doing this? Well, it's double elimination bracket. We started at like seven. and I'm like, oh, crap, I'm going to be here all night at this rate. Yes, you will. So let's see if I can remember all the games I played. They did a thing where you couldn't pick the same game like twice in a row or whatever, or you had to pick all four before you could go through them again. Some people didn't keep picking the same game. So I picked Deadpool, won that. Then for some reason I didn't get to pick the next one because the other three games were being played. So I had to play Ghostbusters, lost that. So now I have one loss. So if I lose again, I'm out. Yep. I then won Star Wars, Striker Extreme, Deadpool, Striker Extreme again, and then I ended up in the finals. And my opponent had no losses, so it was the thing where I'd have to beat him twice. And you did. So we played Deadpool. I won that. So then he got to pick, and I'm thinking to myself, please don't pick Ghostbusters. But he picked Star Wars. Oh, God. And I won that. Well, again, I did the Leia thing. I had like 300, 400 million playing like almost nothing at all. And they would play forever and not even have 100. Wow. It's crazy how it's all about the strategy in that game and what you're picking. I agree. So, yeah, I won. Yay. So enough of this never be cash and shit because I cashed twice. Actually, I cashed it to golf. I won the Excelsior League. I won the, whatever we call that, the Wolf Spear Garden League.
    47:29
    That's all I've got to say. Okay. Oh, and also locally, the 518 Knockout Tournament we were going to have the weekend before Stomp is going to be moved. Yes, I can come out there and get into the 518 Finals. Yes, there's going to be another thing we're doing called like the 518. Is it going to be like the Varney Cup named after Tim Varney? who started like the first league we ever had in the area, where it's just going to be a combination of all the local events, and there's going to be some kind of playoff December 7th, which I believe is going to be at level zero. I think I said, yeah, sure.
    48:06
    So I believe I'm already qualified. Nice. I think you are actually looking back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would hope so, being that I won the Excelsior and I won the other league we just had. Hopefully that would be good enough, yeah. So let's sit for anything else locally. I have one more thing I want to bring up. I think that's all I have for local stuff. So go ahead, Bruce. What do you got? Jurassic Park. What do we think? Jurassic Park. Well, why don't we segue into news. Of the week. Yes. Piece of news. We're at ThisWeekInPinball.com. Hi, Jeff. Jurassic Parks are shipping. Yes, they are. So I play two balls. Oh, my. Oh, God. Yes, I played two balls because they had it at Pinnberg, and it was between rounds. And before I got to play the third ball, the next round it started. And the rest of the time there was just long lines, and I just didn't feel like standing in line. So I don't feel like I – you played more than I did. I don't feel like I played enough to make a true opinion. I liked it. I liked the Pro a little bit better, actually. Okay, how can you like the Pro better? It played smooth. It really did. I don't know why. I know it looks exactly the same, but people were saying that the pro shot on the left was a little different than the premium one was. And I felt a little different. Well, it is. It is different. There's more crap on the left on the premium. I know, but I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the pro. If I had money, I'd be spending it on that. But we're in summer, so summer we're in. Keep it tight, Bruce. Keep it tight. But you're like, aren't you like a... Stern Army? Yeah, can't you get discounts because you're such an awesome player? Nope, I already got that. That was on Batman 66. Oh, you can do one a year? Yes, only one a year. And I'm at 968 in IFPA, so hopefully my pin perk will keep me a little lower. Yeah, I need to kick an ass. Yeah.
    50:06
    I also have to start working on, besides Western New York pinball, I also have to start thinking about upstate rankings soon, which is going to be a pain in the ass. So yes, Jurassic Pros are shipping Yes, very cool, congratulations Keith It seems like a big hit Oh, it's a guaranteed hit There's no way that doesn't make a shit ton of money for Stern There's absolutely no way I agree I will say, playing that game It's like, Keith is like the different designer now When you get Borg and Richie, you know what you're going to get You're going to get the fan layout If it's Borg, you're going to get the Bash toy, all that. With Keith, it's just different. Yeah. It's different than the other two, which is a good thing. Oh, totally agree. And I wonder, do you think, and when I looked at that game, like even the pro, that thing is packed. Yeah. I mean, that thing has so many shots. Do you think, and I doubt that there is, but do you think Borg and Richie feel any pressure? maybe now to like... I hope so. You know, like, look what this guy's doing. Maybe we'll get better games from everyone. You know, like, maybe the competition will just make even better games. It would be good. I would like that. Very much so. Because, you know, I know Steve is my man. You know that. I agree. But when's the last time he did like a super innovative game? I mean, you could say like the night... Okay, we had the night toy in this one, which was cool. But is it as cool as the Super Charge? I actually don't mind the World Poker Tour. Yes, that was the last time I would say he kind of put himself out there with something different. I agree. And it bombed. I loved the game. I know. And now it's like the sleeper hit and everyone loves it. But when that game came out, I mean, it couldn't give those things away. We remember that. It was considered a bomb. Yes, I agree. And the very next game, he went back to what he knew, which was Spider-Man. Yep. I mean, I'm just thinking from the beginning of his career, you know, he had Flash. We have a repeatable loop shot. We have firepower. We have this multi-ball thing. We have, you know, the stuff that he came up with, flashers, lane change, auto replay percentages, a game that tells a story. Then you had, you know, F-14 Tomcat with the, you know, the Vuck on it and all the wire forms and, you know, like, even like Black Knight with the bi-level play field, even something like Hyperball, which is crazy as it is. Like, I'm going to try to make combined pinball in a video game. I know. But, yeah, it hasn't done much. Borg just keeps on doing five outlanes. Five outlanes? Five inlanes, I mean, but still, it's just like, ugh.
    52:51
    Three and two. When was the last Borg game that you had less than three on one side and two on the other?
    52:58
    Good question. Yeah, good question. Of course, we've got to see what Brian Eddy's going to do. I cannot wait for that. Yes, we know. He was three for three. Can he be four for four? I think he'll be four by four. Four by four? No, four for four. Four by four. Four by four? He's going to take it four by four? Four by four. Mm-hmm.
    53:17
    All right. Did you know that Big Lebowski's are shipping? Yes. And people who have been waiting for them are still screwed. Yeah, what's the deal? It's like only the people who got them through Cointaker are getting them? Yes. And then if you did not get it through Cointaker, you could have a chance to buy it from Dutch Pinball so they can pay off some debt and pay the machines. So give them more money? Yeah. What are the chances that will happen? Oh, God, fuck no. No.
    53:44
    Also, Deep Root has made Zidware customers whole. In other words, they have paid off, what's-his-face's debts there?
    53:55
    Papa Duke. Yep, that's what this whole thing was. It's basically if you got screwed out of money from Papa Duke, you could get your money back, or you could get a game. Or I think it was a deposit on one of the new games or something like that. So if you chose to take the cash settlement, they were sent out. that's one expensive employee when you think about it. Oh, my God. To have him and pay off all his shit, I don't understand that. I really don't get that. What is the reasoning behind that, to take on that much cost? I don't know. It really just boggles my mind.
    54:31
    And they weren't the only ones. I mean, wasn't it American Pinball who actually did the Magic Girls? Yes. So they made that. Mm-hmm. And then he gets hired here and they're paying off his, I don't understand. Is he that awesome of a designer? Like, is this like, he's so innovative, he's so great that we will pay all this stuff off?
    54:51
    I mean, I'm asking, I don't know. I mean, I have one of his games downstairs, World Cup Soccer. It's a great game. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he'll come up with some awesome ideas, but is it worth paying all this off? One thing we know about Deep Root is they got a lot of money. Oh, yes, they do. Oh, what's this? Punny Factory Pinball Machine. Oh, God. What the hell is this? I couldn't tell you. Pinball Buzz. Oh, this is the one a company's supposed to be making games. Yeah. And what's the name they're shipping? The one that Dirty Donnie did the artwork on. Oh, Suncoast. Yes, they're doing the... Yes.
    55:31
    What's the name of that game? Cosmic Carnival. Yes. They're supposedly shipping. So that's a good thing, too.
    55:39
    Pinball not featured on ESPN The Oats Show. No, but we had marbles. What the fuck is that all about? Marbles are very... We had stone skipping. That's cool. Yeah, stone skipping, marbles, golden tea, and Big Buck Hunter. And Tetris. That's a pretty big thing. And Tetris. Tetris is good. Fucking marbles was terrible. Well, you know, Stern Pinball, they pulled it. They declined the invite. so any idea why i couldn't tell you but i don't know i don't see maybe they didn't see maybe they see pinballs above those other events well then they're stupid because guess what get in the mainstream you need to start getting this stuff in mainstream okay you do damn it jim damn it we got to get into the mainstream captain and if we don't we're We've got to get our energizers all curled up and scrapped.
    56:32
    Curled up and scrapped? Okay. I do want to bring this up. Did you hear the score bit interview at Pinball Profile? Hi, Jeff Teels. No? I didn't realize that Brian O'Neill, the guy that whooped my ass at Pintastic, he's actually one of the score bit guys. And if you don't know what score bit is, you should because it's got to be awesome. I don't know it. You don't know what score bit is? No. Oh, it's that thing where you can link all your scores and track, of course, the whole thing, right? Well, it's also where basically you install this in pretty much any electronic machine it's supposed to work with. That's what's taken so long, getting it to work with all the different architectures. And it will output the scores to a variety. There's a variety of different things you can do. From the tournament standpoint, you could literally have a situation where the thing is integrated. So, like, you play your game, and your score just is automatically input. Like, no more scorekeeper coming over. You know, is this your score or anything? It's just done.
    57:35
    Automagically. It'll, like, read it from – it reads it from – it depends on how – yeah, some of them they actually read from the CPU. However they need to do it. Screen scraping, it depends on the system. I don't want my screen scraped. Oh, God. It's very invasive.
    57:50
    Yeah, it's just super cool. I talked to one of the guys at InDesk, and it was super cool there. They were using it there. And they were using it where, like, the guy would come over, and the score would already be on, like, his iPad, whatever they were using. He would just, like, show it to you, you know, just double-check. Is this okay? Yep, boom. Like, they didn't have to, like, wait for it to come. Yeah, they didn't have to, like, input it. It was just there.
    58:15
    Super cool. I think talking to them, or it might have been Carl, Carl D'Angelo, when I was there, The perfect system would be literally you don't need scorekeepers anymore. You don't need it. Like, you cue yourself. You go up. You get the score. It's automatically input. Boom. Which is nice. Wouldn't that be cool?
    58:33
    The only issue is going to be EMs, of course. Of course. Damn EMs. Let's see. What else? I think that's all I got for news. Like, how bad is it when you actually have head ball? Did you see what head ball was? um it's not porn is it no it was not oh you had this like a smaller ball than a volleyball you hit with your head on a ping pong table oh yeah okay yeah that sounds familiar yeah it sucked you don't think that's cool no and then sumo wrestling oh sumo well i mean that's like legit though yeah come on they had the darts well yeah darts darts is where they had cornhole cornholing yes and then they also had wait the european train obstacle course what does that even mean european train obstacle course all these countries from europe have a competition to how to break a train properly like the uh you know the the trolley system they have and speed up and go brake and park it properly and stop it at a stop at oh my god that was on the fucking o show so kind of like when you take your driver test yeah except for trolley okay yes all right yeah but i guarantee uh they got good stuff with golden tea and with uh big buck hunter big buck hunter had a crappy time but golden tea had a pretty good time golden tea was like two o'clock in the afternoon Why did Big Buck Hunter have a crappy time? 3 a.m. Oh, you mean time. The time slot, yes.
    60:15
    Was Australian Rules Football in there anywhere? No, it was not. I hate that. I love Australian Rules Football. Oh, you mean rugby, according to you. Rugby. It is rugby. It's not. I heard that was the worst insult ever I could have ever said to any person from Australia. Yep. I love it. I tried to correct you. No, it doesn't work that way. I used to be on, like, late on ESPN back in the day. I used to love that. Oh, yeah. Australian football. Guys just, like, tackle each other. They got to kick it through the uprights. The guy with the beekeeper outfit on who would do the, you know. The thing here. Yep.
    60:52
    Yeah, rugby. It's not rugby. Whatever. All right, so, speaking of Australia. Australia night. This is like their 10 days of pinball. Yes. They have tournaments up the ass. They have, like, so many tournaments.
    61:08
    Yeah, oh, my. So the funny thing that happening though Aussies are not winning any of these tournaments Can an Australian win maybe once I think if we had an Aussie win one of the flip frenzies Oh that not a real tournament Other than that I don think they won anything Yep, I agree. And we're like, how many days into the 10 days? We're coming to the end, I think. Yeah, I think this is the last couple days. Yeah. Actually, the Masters or whatever it's called, Australian Masters Finals, I believe are starting now.
    61:41
    They're like, I think it was 8.30 Eastern time. Yes. So let me hop on there. Crikey. Crikey, mate. That's right. Yes, there we go. We have 29 people watching.
    61:56
    Oh, sorry. Yeah, well. And it's the future, so you can ask any one of them what's the lottery results for Mega Millions, please. Wow. They have like 42 banks of games. Oh, my God. Holy shit. With four, five, six games per bank. or five to six, it looks like. That's a lot of games. Good job, Australia, man. There you go. Yeah, so it looks like you're just starting. But Colin Urban, he went out there, and he just started winning everything. El Fuego. And then Bowen Cairns and Escher Lefkoff went out there and started winning everything a little later.
    62:37
    So I believe the top qualifiers right now are, I think it was Escher, Bowen, and Colin. Wow. One, two, three.
    62:45
    They had the women's final. It was won by Danny Peck. Yes, she was. Of New Zealand. You got that right, Bruce? Not Australia. No, no, no. That's a country, not a continent. Please get the proper. Australia is a continent and a country, Bruce. No, I know that. But New Zealand is its own country. But New Zealand is part of the Australian continent. Done. Okay. Okay, Bruce. Jeez Louise. All right. You can calm down now. So, and I noticed they had the same, they had the Carl rig. Yes, of course. Literally, it was the same. Everyone's going to that site, 8020.net, I think it's called, and they're all getting the same thing. Yep. They were using it at Pinberg.
    63:31
    They had a bigger camera on it, like a more expensive-looking camera than what I have. Yeah. But it still, it was the Carl rig. Nice. Congratulations, Carl. Congratulations. Did you patent that? If you didn't, you should have. You should have. Damn it, Jim. I will always call it the Carl rig in his honor. Yes. So, yeah. So this is a big deal going on in Australia now. So this is like they got Steve Ritchie's down there and he was arrested. Did you see that? Yes, he was arrested. That was hilarious. They finally caught him on a getaway. Yep. They had him like leaning over a getaway, getting handcuffed by the cops. And he's like, we finally got him.
    64:12
    Yes, the top three seeds were Colin Urban, Escher Lefkoff, and Bowen Karras. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. With the fourth seed, David Peck from New Zealand. Yay. From New Zealand. Get it right. Yay.
    64:27
    I got to refer him. Go, David. We ate dinner at Indisc. It was awesome. Go, David Peck. Yeah, they're starting right now. That's the only problem with it. Like, they'll finish. It'll be like two or three in the morning. Ugh. Yeah. Damn it, why do they have to be so far in the future? I know, to ask them for the freaking results Yeah, we should know already who won So anything else, sir? Let's see, a lot of things And we got I have something I wrote that I can't read Excellent, see how good this is? Mm-hmm We should also mention Deathball 2019 is coming up Yes, it is Zach is going to be running a tournament at his house He is, the 31st Two weeks from today. August 31st, Death Ball 2019. Are you coming out? Yes. Good. What are the details? What kind of tournament? Do you remember? Don't know. You don't know? No. You're supposed to fill in for me. Whatever. I'll just look it up right now. I know nothing about it except for I've got to show up and play and be good and beat you. But wait a minute. That sounds like something I would say.
    65:35
    Too bad you fail. I'm going to get it right now. Death Ball 2019. Yeah. My search is taking forever. Here it is. I have it go.
    65:43
    Deathball. But a casual pinball tournament. It's actually like an oxymoron. An oxymoron. Yep. Round Robin, each match between two players is two games. Each player gets a choice of game or order once, with the worst IFPA ranked player choosing first. Games will be divided into quick and long banks, with only one long game to be chosen per round. Maximum six players or 50% go to ladder finals, like that. Three player rounds until final two players match for first. I'm already confused. Oh my god. Yeah. They'll have to explain this to me thoroughly. I like $1 to IFPA overlords.
    66:25
    Doors open at 10am. Play starts at noon. Yes it does. That's Deathball 2019. Look it up on Facebook. It's out there. Yes it is. It's also on the IFPA calendar. Mm-hmm.
    66:40
    Mail? You want to see what's in our mail ball bag? Ah, there was nothing in the mail ball bag. Excellent. Thanks, guys. Well, actually, no, there was one thing. Okay. This is from Alex Ertle. Mm. Hi, Alex. You say, I was just going through my ReplayFX pictures, and it appears the boxes they use to haul the Jurassic Park say Jaws Pro on them.
    67:01
    Mm. Did you know why, Bruce? No. That was their code name. Ah, okay. For those who don't know, Stern does these code names for games, so in case anything is ever seen, it'll be a code name. Like Ghostbusters, their code name, do you remember that one? No. Harold. As in Harold Ramis. Yes. So, and I'm sure Elwin probably thought of this one. Because I think he wore a Jaws, like, hat during one of the streams once, too. Yeah, I think he did, too. Because everyone always says, you know, Jaws, Jaws, Jaws. So the code name for Jurassic Park was Jaws. Mmm. Cool, huh? Cool. So they had them actually on the box.
    67:42
    Let's see. I think that's all I have for the mail ball bag. Oh. Oh, I just saw Zach's comment. 48, 48. Yeah, okay. What do you think? I think you just announced it. No, that's too many people. We were maxed when we had the 30-whatever we had the first year. 32. Oh, God. We're going to have eight more? Oh, boy. And I get a room at the house. I get the couch. Yes, you get the couch.
    68:13
    And I'm sure someone will take a dump in my bathroom like they do every year. Save your shits for somewhere else, man. Come on. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Hold it in. Every year. Yeah, hold it in. Hold it in. Go do it somewhere else. Do it in your own place.
    68:30
    Belly shits. So what else we got? All right. Repairs. Hey! Repairs. What kind of repairs have you done lately, Bruce? Just clean wax and bulbs.
    68:43
    Really. I've had one. I actually repinned my displays. I've done two connectors so far on Harlem Globetrotters. And once in a while, when the game does a certain thing, like a jiggle or something like that, the displays go wacky for two seconds, so I've got to repin probably all five because they all daisy-chain some parts of them. Yes, they do. And all that sort of doodles. but I need more pins. I actually finished popping out the connector and taking apart the connector for the Gottlieb when we started in at Pimberg. Wait a minute. You were screwing with a connector at Pimberg? Yes, right at the table. Well, the game wasn't with you. No, no, no, just a connector. For what game?
    69:25
    TX, TX, TX. Ah. Oh, oh, yeah. Speaking of, you're a big fan of lights, camera, action, right? Yes, I am. That game sucks. No, it doesn't. I had it around. It was bullshit, Bruce. It has the stupid godly rule set with the mystery shit. Yes, it does. I mean, it actually helped me, and it still pissed me off. Yep. I got the mystery, and I got the, you know, shoot a shot for whatever. Yep. Which was like, I ended up like finishing first or second on it because of that bullshit award. Yep. How is it a good game? That's terrible.
    70:00
    Defend yourself, man. I like it. How do you like it, though? the rules are shit that's terrible now greg's asking for three more people just to make it 44 but i think one will drop out but we'll keep the we'll keep the list on the back side oh my ah yes i think people don't realize you know my house isn't that big oh it's big all right okay so that's it for repairs yep my turn meteor dun dun dun i started working on the the meteor in earnest. I had already fixed the sound issue and the display as well. I repinned, and this is funny. So it's got a new rectifier board in it, right? But none of the connectors were ever repinned. So I play a few games, and then I repinned all the connectors for the rectifier board, plug everything back in, and I swear to you, I could tell everything had more power. I'm not kidding. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you could physically see it. I repinned the connector for the flaky, the score display 3. Mm-hmm. Everything was working. I had one light that would not work. I jumpered it, and it was working, so I figured it was a board issue. I put another lamp driver board in, and sure enough, it worked. So there's at least one. Driver. Yeah, that's bad on the lamp driver board. Mm-hmm. So I get the play field out. Well, first, the posts on Meteor. I need to find a post diagram somewhere. Oh, boy. Because it has larger, it has taller posts and short posts. Some numbskull at some point in shopping the game, when they put it back together, they put all the posts in the wrong spot.
    71:48
    So, like, the slingshot plastics were way too low. So they ended up, like, the kicker arm actually took some paint off the one slingshot plastic. And their solution was to just put washers in there, raise it up a little bit. Yeah, raise it up, of course. Yeah. But I can tell, like, the plastic that goes over, that's behind the meteor targets, isn't even going straight across. It's, like, cockeyed because it's got, like, the taller ones. And, yeah. So if anyone, I know supposedly on Pinside, I cannot find this post diagram. I find mentions of it on Pinside, but I cannot find an actual diagram. I find people that kind of explain where it is. But if anyone has, like, a definitive, like, where these freaking tall and short posts are supposed to go, could they please let me know? Send it to me at slamtillpodcasts at gmail.com. I need this information. And where can I get the posts? I know Pinball Resource sells, like, the one-and-whatever-inch, like, red posts. But I could not find where the shorter – well, I don't know if that's the taller or the shorter. There's a couple different ones. Yeah, but I can only find one. I think the red ones you can't find anymore. I think for one of the sizes, but the purple ones you can get both and another color. Well, if someone could tell me where I can get the correct posts, that would be awesome. I know Pinball Resource has one of them, but I know there's going to end up being either taller ones or smaller ones. A bunch of them are smashed and, like, completely wasted, so I know I'm going to need both. There you go. So I'm going to need that to make this a, you know, meteor play the way it should. The thing that pisses me off is it took the paint off the one slingshot plastic, so that's really the only one that's like that. I don't want to get a whole plastic set because of that. Of course not. That's very annoying, so I will be on the lookout for slingshot plastics that aren't wasted. There you go. But there are new plastics out for something else. You thought about the same thing I thought at the same time you were thinking of it. Yes. Of course. Dragon Fist plastics are now available. Yes. Classic Playfields. Mine is already on its way. I'm going to be ordering mine this week. Since now I have all this money, this $1,000 from – oh, shit. Was I supposed to say that out loud on the air? What did you get money from? From everyone playing in Stomp.
    74:04
    I thought you were going to say from mybookie.com. No, from Stomp. All the money you're taking from them. Yeah. I got to order trophies now.
    74:15
    Hey, Mrs. Penn. There we go. I know it's short notice because it's probably, what, is it less than a month? No, it's over a month still. Over a month? Yep. Brucie, he wants some trophies. Brucie wants some trophies.
    74:32
    She's probably being like, no way. Or she'll say, sure. Of course she'll say, sure, because she loves us. And my shirt from Mrs. Penn that I posted on Slam Tilt. Awesome. I've got to find it. It's in my. Let's explain that shirt, Bruce. We didn't really – what is this shirt? So she gave you a shirt. She made everyone that she knows a personal shirt. Mine was one of the last, and I have – it's me and Ron on the face. On the face? With my face and your face, but with Beavis and Butthead's hair. And on the back it says Nightingale, which is very cool. I love her to death. She is a goddess. She is the bomb. Now I know why Dr. Pin loves her so much. And it says Slam and Tilt under our names. Yes, it does. Under our faces. In the Beavis and Butthead font, of course. Love it. Worked out really well. Thank you, guys. I was jealous. I think you were. A lot of people were going, I want her to get the file, make a file up. Because I've had like 10 people ask me, well, you sold these shirts? Yeah. See, you know, I said like I would never support a shirt like with my face on it. That one you will. This one I would. See? Because it makes us look like idiots. Fucking love it. Exactly. We look like Beavis and Butthead, so it's perfect. Excellent.
    75:50
    So if you want to be in the wait list, I put it up on the Slamtail page for Facebook. Freaking wait list. This is ridiculous. What are we, Pinberg? Are we the Sanctum? What is this? We are big time now. This is insane. It is, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Was I done with the meteor? I think I was done with the meteor. So I need a post diagram. I need something that tells me where the posts go. So pop it off to Mr. Ron at SlamTiltPodcast at gmail.com. Mm-hmm. The rest of it looks good, I have to say. It's a fun game, isn't it? Yeah, even the flipper plates don't look like the holes do not look like they're stripped out. Oh, wow. So I'm already excited. One sackstone of my freaking TX Sector. Mm-hmm. I'm giving him Cheetah. You're just going to give him? He's going to have Cheetah? Yep, he'll have Cheetah to fix. Oh. Does he know this? Oh, he knows it. He's dreading it.
    76:45
    He's dreading TX Sector lately. I think he's been biting him in the ass. TXTX Sector sucks. It's another one of those games, I think, that the sound and the music... Overplay. It kind of makes you forget the fact that really all you do is hit spinners. But it is a fun game. I do enjoy it. If the spinners weren't as valuable... Yes. Like if multiball actually meant something. Yeah. And had some kind of, like some rules tweaks on that, it could really kick ass. Like if the spinners only counted during multiball. Or just make, yeah, just make multiball worth something. Yeah, but I mean, if you made spinners like the value any time during the game, instead of being just that value during multiball, people would then go for that multiball to get the spinners to be juicy.
    77:36
    Just some ideas. I don't know if there's any. Actually, is there anyone? like redo Gottlieb rule sets other than just kind of doing their own boards? Yeah, I don't know. Like the Lizzie board and kind of stuff like that where people make up their own rule sets? Don't know. I think that's the only way you can do that or the only way anyone's doing it. I haven't heard of anyone like, here's my hacked, you know, modified Gottlieb ROM. Yeah, I don't know either. Betty, we had. We shall see.
    78:05
    Anything else? Man, that was a lot of stuff. It's a lot of whole shit. is there anything goofy or stupid we could do that's every week not anymore it's not anymore thanks to ron hey send your hate mail to ron will you stop how the hell would we even record every week now you cancel out on me all the time i'm so busy i only get one day off where are you busy at the silver ball saloon 135 west commercial street in east rochester new york be there or be square yes get your juicy silver ball burger yes and i think in november we're gonna have stomp three west out there stomp three west with all these crazy names yep oh man november probably snowstorm oh yes no it snowed every single time we've gone out there when it's been past, like, September. September, huh? Yeah.
    79:08
    Whatever. I'm just saying, because I'm sure you're going to want me to bring the rig. Of course I am. That's a given. Mm-hmm. People love the rig. Everyone loves the rig, yeah. Chicks dig it. Women love it. It's a blast. What? What does that have to do with anything? I don't know. It sounds good. Why do women like the rig? What does that even mean? It's beefy.
    79:28
    Okay. I'm out at this point okay good so this has been episode 133 thanks everybody thanks everyone all of our podcast friends hi Steve hi Zach hi Jeff Teolis hi Jeff Parsons hi Mr. and Mrs. Pin or Dr. and Mrs. Pin everyone we're forgetting don't forget the Riptide Pinball Podcast thank you and I think that's about it yeah thanks to everybody See you next time. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Tony Murphy.
    80:27
    Oh my Hey, let's see. Are they actually up yet? Oh, God, they're on firepower. Firepower. Whoa, the guy looks like a thin buff Bruce. We're standing behind him. You've got to see this, dude. He looks just like you. This is weird. Nah, I'm good. No, no, no, no. I've got too much shit going on. I've got to do a couple more things before 12. Oh, come on. You've got to at least see this. Nope. Just once. Come on. He looks just like you. No, he doesn't. Yes, he does. Take a screenshot of it and post it on Facebook. Oh, God. That's the only way I'm going to do it. You're just so uncooperative. I thank you. Okay. See you later. Thanks, Mike. Okay, bye. Bye.