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We Are Pinball #7 "Haggis don't feel right! Looney Tunes continues to impress! Pinside top 100's"

We Are Pinball (WAP)·podcast_episode·1h 25m·analyzed·Jul 19, 2024
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TL;DR

Haggis Pinball collapse dominates discussion; Looney Tunes praised for quality and playfield design.

Summary

We Are Pinball hosts Don and Genghis discuss the catastrophic collapse of Haggis Pinball, an Australian manufacturer that shut down operations and emptied its warehouse with customer deposits unpaid. They defend distributor Zach from Flippin' Out Pinball who committed to refunding $1,000 deposits, while discussing Kerry Hardy's promotional content around the company. The episode shifts to praising Spooky Pinball's Looney Tunes as an excellent, feature-rich game with intuitive rule design and exceptional build quality.

Key Claims

  • Haggis Pinball emptied their warehouse and closed operations with customer funds unpaid

    high confidence · Don and Genghis open episode stating Haggis 'emptied their warehouse yesterday' and 'got all the money. Nobody's getting their money back.'

  • Hadams machines were supposed to be finished in early 2023, then delayed to end of 2023, still unfinished by mid-2024

    high confidence · Don recounts timeline: 'Hadams were supposed to be finished in early 2023. And then by the end of 2023, and then here we are halfway through 2024, still aren't made'

  • Haggis promised all Fathoms would be completed by January 2024 when requesting Centaur pre-orders

    high confidence · Genghis: 'they told us... all the fathoms should be done by January 2024. That's what they told us.'

  • Spooky Looney Tunes Collector's Edition costs $9,699, same price as Stern Premium but with significantly more features included

    high confidence · Genghis: '$96.99. The same as a Stern Premium that has none of that.' [Speaker clarifies premium features included in Spooky vs Stern]

  • Looney Tunes features rule design similar to Spooky approach rather than Jersey Jack's complex multi-color blinking style

    high confidence · Genghis: 'It's not Jersey Jack Guns N' Roses where all the inserts are lit up everything is blinking in multiple colors what the fuck is that?'

  • A vertical up kicker mechanism on Looney Tunes was bent during factory preparation, requiring field repair

    high confidence · Genghis: 'at the factory they pulled it a bit back and that bent the vertical up kicker' which affected left ram function into rocket lock

  • Zach from Flippin' Out Pinball committed to refunding $1,000 deposits to customers affected by Haggis closure

    high confidence · Don: 'Zach has your back. He will give you money back or you can order a topper or whatever you can.'

  • Some Fathom machines experienced playfield separation issues, with Haggis sending at least one replacement populated playfield

Notable Quotes

  • “They emptied their warehouse yesterday, so it's just empty. They got all the money. Nobody's getting their money back. It just doesn't feel right.”

    Don @ 0:00-0:30 — Opening statement framing the catastrophic nature of Haggis collapse as unprecedented community betrayal

  • “Hadams were supposed to be finished in early 2023. And then by the end of 2023, and then here we are halfway through 2024, still aren't made, yet they're asking for $17,000 for a centaur because it comes with a leather jacket and a helmet. These are not the decisions that cognitively correct people are making.”

    Don @ 2:00-3:00 — Demonstrates pattern of delays and questionable decision-making that should have warned customers

  • “If Damien would have still did like a daily live stream like, hey, here's where we're at. Here's the problems that we have. We need some money, so we're selling foil stickers for $20... I think the community could have worked with them.”

    Genghis @ ~15:00 — Suggests transparent communication and community engagement could have salvaged the company and retained goodwill

  • “This game, it's so good. It's so fun shots and layout is awesome... after that we just kept on playing we fell in love with this game”

    Genghis @ ~28:00 — Enthusiastic endorsement of Looney Tunes playfield design and gameplay experience

  • “It's not Jersey Jack Guns N' Roses where all the inserts are lit up everything is blinking in multiple colors what the fuck is that?”

    Genghis @ ~32:00 — Contrasts Spooky's minimalist rule design philosophy against Jersey Jack's complexity approach

  • “$96.99. The same as a Stern Premium that has none of that. None of that. Bam!”

    Genghis @ ~40:00 — Highlights competitive pricing advantage and value proposition of Spooky Collector's Edition vs Stern equivalent

  • “I totally think it's okay to take what's worked really well in pinball before and bring that into your machine. Take the best ideas that you've come across and bring them together. Why is that a bad thing?”

Entities

Haggis PinballcompanyDonpersonGenghispersonZachpersonKerry HardypersonDamienpersonSpooky PinballcompanyLooney Tunesgame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Haggis Pinball manufacturing company collapsed with complete asset liquidation and customer funds unpaid; warehouse emptied, no transparency to customers, founder/owner radio silent

    high · Don: 'They emptied their warehouse yesterday, so it's just empty. They got all the money. Nobody's getting their money back.' Genghis: 'he went radio silent, and then it was kind of like, okay, we can't afford any staff.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Kerry Hardy criticized for promoting Haggis and unboxing game content while company was experiencing severe production/financial crisis; community attacking him on Pinside despite hosts' defense

    high · Don: 'people are like, he should be refunding now' and Genghis: 'they're also attacking um carrie hardy on on uh on pin side' and 'he made a video he promoted this company' when 'all the flames, everything was burning'

  • ?

    community_signal: Manufacturer transparency and community openness presented as business trust signal: Dutch Pinball, American Pinball, and Spooky (positively contrasted) invited content creators for factory tours; Haggis's refusal to respond to inquiries indicated financial/operational distress

    high · Don: 'Dutch pinball, way to go... Spooky's headquarters several times... Stern's invited me by... Barry was like, of course, Genghis, come on by, film the factory' vs 'I reach out to Haggis... and I said nothing, I heard nothing back'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Genghis acknowledges Looney Tunes borrowed specific playfield mechanics from other pinball machines (Iron Maiden upper flipper loop shot, Shadow ball magnet, Avengers repeatable shots) but frames as positive design evolution rather than criticism

    high · Genghis: 'That loop on the upper right flipper... it's one-to-one from Iron Maiden... It has got you know the ball magnet from Shadow' and Don: 'I totally think it's okay to take what's worked really well in pinball before and bring that into your machine'

Transcript

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0:00
Insert WAP logo here. Episode number 7 of WAP. We were ready to go ahead and do another top 20 of the Pinside Reviews. We were going to talk about Looney Tunes and setting that up. But, as you can hear from the intro music, the shit, it doesn't feel right. So we got to derail all that. We got to talk about Big H, capital H, Haggis, and what they did to shatter the pinball community. Haggis just changed all our plans, Tony. They changed all our plans. This episode seven is going to be Haggis. We're going to just start off with Haggis because this shit just don't feel right. They emptied their warehouse yesterday, so it's just empty.
0:52
They got all the money. Nobody's getting their money back. It just doesn't feel right. How does it feel for you, Donnie? Raise your hand if you were surprised.
1:01
My hands are bolted to my sides. I said back in March I was at the Texas Pinball Festival. Coming to you locally here from Atlanta across the street from the Southern Fright Gaming Expo. About to begin. Black and white Godzilla over there. I'm going to talk about that later. But I was at the Texas Pinball Festival in March. And they had a Centaur Haggis pinball machine there. Cary Hardy unboxed it. Somebody lost a finger in the pin cart. It was madness. The forklift tried to kill it, but it survived, and I got to play it. And I remarked at the time, how lucky am I that I get to play the only Haggis Centaur machine that's ever going to be produced ever. And the distributor, Nitro, that had brought that machine said, Don, no, wait. These guys are going to make these machines. You're just doom and gloom. And I'm like, listen.
1:48
Hadams were supposed to be finished in early 2023. And then by the end of 2023, and then here we are halfway through 2024, still aren't made, yet they're asking for $17,000 for a centaur because it comes with a leather jacket and a helmet. These are not the decisions that cognitively correct people are making. Something did not feel right for me as far back as then.

medium confidence · Genghis: 'I've heard of two people that have had that little clear plexi layer that's separated. and then Haggis did send at least one of them a new populated play field.'

  • Looney Tunes upper right flipper shot design is copied one-to-one from Iron Maiden

    high confidence · Genghis: 'That loop on the upper right flipper... it's one-to-one from Iron Maiden. Yeah. While I'm filming, I walked over to Iron Maiden. It's one-to-one.'

  • Spooky Looney Tunes includes magnetic graphics, ArtBlade, shaker, knocker, copper elements, and large amplifier slot with speaker lights already installed

    high confidence · Genghis lists features: 'There's magnetic graphics. There's ArtBlade's already in it... Shaker is installed. Everything. Knocker is installed... Speaker lights... Amplifier.'

    • Don @ ~42:00 — Defends Spooky's design philosophy of borrowing successful mechanics from classic games

  • “The diverter just pops up and stays up... The switch up there causes the pop up fast enough that that ball can go then off the field into the Vuck. It's like mind-blowing.”

    Genghis @ ~47:00 — Demonstrates appreciation for Looney Tunes' sophisticated lock mechanism engineering

  • “You are actually a lucky guy if you bought from Zach from Flippin' Out. Because Zach has your back. He will give you money back or you can order a topper or whatever you can.”

    Genghis @ ~5:30 — Public defense and praise for Zach's refund commitment to affected customers

  • “Dude, I just want a hat. I want to walk around and film. and if I didn't hear anything, I was going to go out there and just kind of like clandestinely walk around a film.”

    Don @ ~18:00 — Illustrates Don's willingness to investigate Haggis issues and the company's lack of response as red flag

    • Haggis Fathom
    game
    Haggis Centaurgame
    Flippin' Out Pinballcompany
    Iron Maidengame
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Canadaperson
    Nitrocompany
    Barryperson
    Dutch Pinballcompany
    American Pinballcompany
    David Fixperson
    Keith Elwoodperson
    Jayperson
    Texas Pinball Festivalevent
    Cary Hardyperson
  • ?

    design_philosophy: Spooky Pinball employs minimalist, player-friendly rule design philosophy with lit inserts matching modes and on-screen guidance, contrasted against Jersey Jack's complex multi-color blinking approach

    high · Genghis: 'It's not Jersey Jack Guns N' Roses where all the inserts are lit up everything is blinking in multiple colors' vs 'The rules are perfectly set up on Looney Tunes' with clear on-screen 'you need to hit seven times more' guidance

  • $

    market_signal: Spooky Pinball achieving significant early market penetration in Scandinavian region; promotional outreach to 3,000-member Facebook group and paid digital promotion across Denmark, Norway, Sweden for Looney Tunes showroom debut

    high · Genghis: 'we have a facebook group with about uh 3 000 members... we paid for promotion in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. So, everybody can see' and planned Saturday open house events for quality testing

  • ?

    community_signal: Zach from Flippin' Out Pinball positioned as goodwill distributor committed to customer refunds despite company failure, protecting reputation through responsible business practice

    high · Genghis: 'Zach has your back. He will give you money back' and Don: 'Like, okay, I get it. But dude did the community a solid saying, look, give me $1,000. We'll get your deposit in there. If they go out of business, I'll make it right with you. Like, that's golden, man.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Spooky Looney Tunes Collector's Edition at $9,699 offers substantially more features than Stern Premium at equivalent price point: magnetic graphics, ArtBlade, shaker, knocker, copper, amplifier slot with speaker lights pre-installed

    high · Genghis: '$96.99. The same as a Stern Premium that has none of that... Everything. Knocker is installed... Speaker lights... The door is painted also.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Looney Tunes playfield design includes factory production issue: vertical up kicker mechanism bent during initial prep, affecting left ram/rocket lock function, requiring field repair

    high · Genghis: 'at the factory they pulled it a bit back and that bent the vertical up kicker. Oh, no. Yeah, that resulted in the left ram where it goes in and locks into that rocket. Yeah. That couldn't go up and down.'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Speculation that Centaur pinball game license may become available for remake by other manufacturer (CGC referenced as hypothetical) following Haggis closure

    low · Genghis: 'does that mean that the license for centaur is now open for somebody else to remake that game i don't know maybe they will just move the plans over to cgc and we will get them in 2028'

  • ?

    business_signal: Haggis Pinball operated with Peter-to-Paul financing: requesting Centaur pre-orders at $17,000 while still unable to deliver on Fathom pre-orders with prior delays; continuation of payment pattern despite unmet obligations

    high · Genghis: 'if you put a deposit on Fathom, you could blame them for sure... But when they weren't delivering on the Fathoms for that long, and then just all of a sudden asked for $17,000 for a leather jacketed clad centaur, you had to know something was up'

    • 2:14
    Absolutely. I mean, we can always sit now and say we knew this should happen. I mean, most people knew back when they tried to sell Fathom, people didn't get their games. It got delayed, delayed, delayed. So many people had so much headache. And then they talked about COVID and COVID was over. Everything was over. All the other companies was over. And then this company came out with their second game, Centaur, and talking about we should send them money to get this pre-order Centaur. and all the fathoms should be done by January 2024. That's what they told us. So they told us, and some people still didn't see all the red flags, and they sent the money. So before we dive deep into this, we have to talk about U.S. distro Zach. Because people on Pinside are attacking Zach as he was one of the guys in this company. And Don and I, we talked about on our last show, this is not Zach's fault. Boom. Boom, yeah. You are actually a lucky guy if you bought from Zach from Flippin' Out. Because Zach has your back. He will give you money back or you can order a topper or whatever you can. So stop being angry at Zach. That's done. Let's just move along from that talk, right? Don't you feel the same way, Donnie? Dude, exactly. Like, if somebody was out there like, hey, send me your money. I'm going to send it to them. We'll get you a game probably, but it's nonrefundable. And then they go out of business. Oh, well, you're left in the lurch. Like, okay, I get it. But dude did the community a solid saying, look, give me $1,000. We'll get your deposit in there. And if they go out of business, I'll make it right with you. Like, that's golden, man. And then, you know. Absolutely. And, like, two weeks ago it was already looking, like, pretty bad. and people are like, he should be refunding now. And it's like, well, hang on. They're still technically in business, you know, and they had until the end of the year. And then here we are two weeks later. Now they are closed. And so now you can make good on it. What's the harm, man? So is it only the $1,000 deposit that Zach pays back? Or do you think some people paid, I don't know, $17,000 fully for a game to Zach and Zach has to pay that back also? So I don't know the deal that I know about, and I don't have all the details of the books or anything, but that this was for the $1,000 deposit. However, I don't know if somebody offered, like, can I just pay in full now? Maybe he would take it, but I don't know if he would pass that entire amount on. But I guess we'll have to see. But, yeah, dude, there's people that paid full for Fathom and still haven't got them, and, like, they're never going to get them. Yeah, and they were, like, planning on doing five of these Old Valley games so you could buy a ticket to be the first receiver of all five games or something. So people paid and paid and paid. I feel sorry for Zach. I think definitely people should stop attacking Zach on pin side. There is, oh, Colin Twipp is writing. What's up, Colin? Friend of the show, hopefully. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe he'll mention us. but they're also attacking um carrie hardy on on uh on pin side i want to say it's not the same scenario as zack's because carrie hardy um i have to say it in a nice way but uh when this shit was burning he made video he promoted this company i'm not talking about he made a video with softball question or hardcore. That's not important. He used his channel with 9,000 people in there and promoted for this company. When he did that, I was there with Chris from Canada's Pinball Podcast. Chris went apeshit. I remember that. That was one of the few. That was a free episode I was even able to listen to. Okay, so you saw that Chris went apeshit. He just shit all over Kerry Hardy. He still thinks of Canada shit, and he was just mad, you know, flaming flames out of Canada's mouth on Kerry Hardy. And you know what? Today, I'm sorry to say this, but Canada was 100% right on everything he said. On top of that, Kerry Hardy, he wanted to unbox this game. When all the flames, everything was burning, everything was fire. All right, okay, okay. Definitely the hottest of hot takes there. I did see Kerry Hardy wearing a Haggis hat during one of his YouTube videos. Now, if I had a Haggis hat, I would be wearing that stuff too. I even emailed them asking where I could get one just because I thought it was hilarious. But to speak to Kerry's defense, because I was at that Texas Pinball Festival, and it seems like he was there hanging out around the loading dock. And I remember because he was posting videos around that time. when this thing just showed up and then he's like can we unbox this thing and i don't know that that translates to a a whole cloth endorsement of this company but dang if i would have been there and that thing came off the loading dock i would have wanted to live stream it when i was talking to the nitro guys would you yes of course wouldn't you just go around that everything about that company at that time that's content that's hot fresh content people want to see if there was a Kelts that came off, I would have done it. So I talked to Nitro, and they said that they had one of those Oblivion Edition toppers that was still in a box. And I said, I was on livestream, I said, let me unbox that thing right now.
    8:06
    And only because of how rare I believe this game to be, in fact, I think it's only one of three that's ever going to be produced. So yeah, that would have been like some hot content to put on there.
    8:18
    It's okay you feel like that, but we can disagree on stuff. It's okay. It's all fine. But I don't care about clicks and views. In that context, I would just... If we could show that Kerry was receiving some cash or something from them for promoting, then yeah, that would be sus. But Haggis was nowhere in a position to offer anybody any money for promotions. And I think that's one of the things I heard from Kenny's rant or whatever, was that he was receiving financial contribution. to be a shill. He was shilling for them. But in order to shill, you've got to have something coming back. And Haggis wasn't in a position to give anybody anything to compensate for that. I actually didn't know nothing about that. I didn't know that Kaneda said that Kerry Hardy got money.
    9:09
    I'm just saying that Kaneda said that Kerry, he is promoting when he takes this guy on his show. people that are thinking about buying this game they feel much more confidence when they see this guy on carrie's show 9 000 subscribers in there it did help selling these games yeah and and that part everything canada said where he just shit on this carrie guy i mean it definitely would have raised the profile you know that's what i'm talking about i'm not talking about hard questions or something like that that that's not important but he should if you ask me he should just clear away from all that and then started unboxing this so excited showing this when all the red flags were up they were for sure you said it it was peter to pay paul or what what what what what did you say oh that's essentially like a ponzi scheme or whatever you know when you when You start a new investment in order to fund prior bad investments. And I think in Agus's defense, at the time that they were asking for deposits from Centaur, if you were at least a little bit aware of the situation, you would have known that they still hadn't made good on their prior game. So if you put a deposit on Fathom, you could blame them for sure because they had put out Celts and they got the Bally license, so it seemed like they were legitimate. But when they weren't delivering on the Fathoms for that long, and then just all of a sudden asked for $17,000 for a leather jacketed clad centaur, you had to know something was up. You had to. Oh, my God. I mean, of course, it's sad for the people that lost that much money. It's not fun. But I'm still happy that some of these guys chose to buy from Flippin' Out, and they will get their money back. That's so cool. But other people around the world that lost so much money, again, as you said, fathom money. We're not even talking about centaur money. Fathom money are still lost. Now, the fathoms that are out there, they look great, right? They play fine. The ones that don't have playfields separating are playing great, yeah.
    11:25
    I've heard of two people that have had that little clear plexi layer that's separated. and then Haggis did send at least one of them a new populated play field. So that happened. Can you imagine if you were the last guy to receive a fathom, like how lucky you feel?
    11:42
    You're like, oh, my God. That's like grabbing the last seat of an oversold flight. Like, yeah. But to end everything up, I actually watched this morning Kerry Hart's video where he says that, yeah, he made that promotion and he really, how did he say? He doesn't, if you have any problem, if you write to him, he will just write back, if you. I think, yeah, I wouldn't handle it like that, but it is what it is. People are angry. Terror attack.
    12:13
    I mean, I understand people's frustration because they can't really reach out to Damien. Damien doesn't answer his phone. Nobody can. He doesn't answer mails, nothing. They have Kerry that is a part of this And there's also another Another podcaster Do you know his name? He's a part of that company Oh right, is that the Marty Robbins guy That does the final round I don't know Is he Radio Silent also? I listen to their podcast And I've heard zero mention of anything So I think it's just like They're not even going to address it I will say that I did reach out to Haggis Back in the Fathom days when we were kind of wondering what was going on, and I said, hey, guys, what's up? I'm Don. Can I come by the factory and, like, just see what's up, talk to you guys? I can even turn screws for a couple of days, bolt some of these together, you know, and then nothing, I heard nothing back. And it's like I'm crazy enough that I will board a flight to Australia just for the lulls to go out and do something like that. You would do that. But I didn't hear anything back, and I'm like, man, I just want a hat. I want to walk around and film. and if I didn't hear anything, I was going to go out there and just kind of like clandestinely walk around a film. I thought that would be fun to do, but I haven't quite put it into fruition. Then it all fell apart before my trip. Oh, man. Okay, so he didn't get back to you. Okay, I can say on a personal level, usually everything that happens with me and other content creators or pinball companies, it's only here, but I can share this little part. I actually talked with Damien and he was really kind against me and he watched my videos. He was really kind. And he actually said that he would love for me to unbox their games. And I was, yeah, yeah. Donnie, it is what it is. I get no hang of love. He has been always kind towards me. And I was like, I talked to my brother. You just talked to him two seconds ago before we started this. Nice guy. What's up, Jay? So I talked with Jay, and I was like, Jay, my brother and I, when we unbox these brand new games 20 minutes later we turn on these old belly games from 1980 to 1982 and we just play two player against each other and you know fathom and centaur is right there so i said to him so i said jim jay should we be a part of this haggis should we sell he was like are you crazy are you serious man no way nothing he didn't want anything to do with that company. So, yeah. Now it's closed. So, where are all the parts, Tony? Where are all the pinball machines? So, yeah. So, they have a liquidator that's been appointed to them. So, they're going to handle, I guess, the sell-off of whatever assets they have to try to fill creditors. I don't know how you get in line to be a credit holder for that. I would love to pick up a cabinet.
    15:14
    a half-finished play field hanging on the wall. That could be cool. It's so sad. The memes that have been posted are pretty brutal, and I've seen some people already post things like, guys, this isn't good for pinball to make fun of this company for failing. And it's like, this is different. This isn't a small guy company that was really trying his hardest, you know, against all odds to make games, and it was doing it with, you know, good intent. This seems like that's how it started. But then he went radio silent, and then it was kind of like, okay, we can't afford any staff. We'll just do it ourselves, but we'll make pretend that we still do have staff. And they weren't being legitimate with their customers, you know, because we're a forgiving sort. If he would have still did like a daily live stream like, hey, here's where we're at. Here's the problems that we have. We need some money, so we're selling foil stickers for $20. So if we can sell 200 of these, we'll buy some coils and we can keep going, and we're transparent. I think the community could have worked with them. you know like hey for for 300 you can come to australia and we'll give you the grand tour and and do a barbecue lunch and we'll do an event or something we'll get some local bands out here we'll do some fundraising but they didn't do any of that they didn't even reach out to anybody to even try that and so and i'm telling you donnie the whole pinball community they would have loved it they would have supported if damien went down the out and say you know after covid we can't really get these parts so we can send these games out to those 17 buyers whatever help us donate 250 bucks i would have donated everybody would have done instead of just either go radio silent or even worse lying to people throw a fundraiser tournament in australia international invite people out there we would have came we would have come to do it it would have been like wayne stock from wayne's world too we're gonna raise money to save the orphanage It's a small niche hobby. And, I mean, the people here, we would have helped out instead of this scenario. This scenario is crazy, man. And to be clear, I didn't know anything about Canada saying that Kerry got money from Haggis. I didn't know that. What I heard was shill. And shill implies that your product is inferior, but you're championing it in return for something. And so that's the thing. Like, was he compensated? I kind of don't think he was. We'll let him speak to that. But, yeah, and I don't think Haggis was in a position to be able to compensate anybody for anything, not the people they were renting the facilities from, not the staff they couldn't afford, not the suppliers that they owed money to. So how could they give anything to a pinball commentator? But I still think, just like Kaneda said, promoting on his channel, wrong. on boxing this fireball of a game wrong that's that's it but on on carrie's defense carrie is carrie hardy is not a part of that company so i think that part of the should i say hate that he's getting on pain side is wrong people should not include him as a company guy he's not okay he's not yeah maybe he's like donnie said he was maybe he was excited maybe like donnie He said maybe he was for the click counts or something. And that's it. That's it. It's not his fault. And maybe if he was a company guy, they would have done better because they would have had some better ideas.
    18:45
    Slam. Donnie, today's show, because of viewer requests, we are recording this episode seven on the air. But while we're recording, we're viewing each other. this time, viewer request, I'm going to upload our video also on my YouTube channel, yeah, on RetroJango because people want to see how we do this show. So this one, episode 7, guys, jump into my YouTube channel, RetroJango, and you can see Tony's beautiful face. I love it. And there's probably a link to order a Pinsound board and everything.
    19:26
    Tony, I love Pinsound, man. Talk about Pinsound. Again, viewer request. We just talked about this. We're going to make a Patreon account. $10. You can support us. We have two guys. $10. That's so cheap. Only $10 American? Come on, man. Only $10 a month support. Because I feel like, I mean, the message, the feedback is so awesome. So we talked about we're going to make Patreon. We're going to offer $10 support. but we have got mails from some of the viewers that said I want to join this show so we talked about 50 bucks on Patreon and you can actually join this why not join this show come on in 10-20 minutes we have some questions this awesomeness how can anybody resist such an amazing opportunity I want to pay to come on my own show that's incredible yeah being with Don and I man come on some US and some European insider here it's so it's so great so okay that's our Haggis talk rest in peace for all the people that have lost so much money I mean if I had some beer I would pour it down it's so crazy the one piece of good coming out of this is haggis can't hurt anybody else anymore i mean yeah that's just that that's that's well said does that mean that the license for centaur is now open for somebody else to remake that game i don't know maybe they will just move the plans over to cgc and we will get them in 2028 i think People still want some centaurs.
    21:15
    Yeah yeah move it that way And also Zach I so sorry buddy You also lost some stuff on this because you are going to yeah repay all that money back I hope, I really hope it was only $1,000 deposits that Zach needs to pay back, and I hope he sold like 50 games or something instead of, you know, 400 games and some of them paid in full. That would ruin that guy. I don't know how rich he is, but it's like a million back. That's something else. 50 degrees, he can handle that. That would hurt. Yeah, yeah. It's so sad. I mean, it's not fair. I really hope Zach gets compensated because in stuff like this, the company that has the most money out there will get compensated first or maybe, you know, $70, $0.70 to $1 compensation. It usually works. I don't know in Australia, but here in Europe, you know, it usually works like that. So the private guy that, you know, paid 4,000 half up or something, he's so far back on the line. It's really sad, man. Every time this happens, it's sad. It really made me think when you said that you wanted to, you know, visit this company and they didn't answer back. Yeah. That's also a sign, you know. That's also a sign, Donny. You know what? I talked with – last summer I should drive through Europe. I talked with the Dutch pinball, Barry, and he was like, of course, Genghis, come on by, film the factory. I mean, Dutch pinball, way to go. I'm close with the pinball brothers. Of course, they were like, come on in and film. So cool. The big distros, we have Freddy down here in Europe. He's a huge distro. He was like, come on in and film. So that's confidence. Okay, we love that. You should put that in your show, another red flag. Absolutely, yeah. And over here stateside, I mean, I've been to Spooky's headquarters several times. Stern's invited me by. American Pinball's invited me by a couple times. David Fix bought me some lunch. So, yeah, I will shill some barbecues for him.
    23:28
    I'll give my true interpretation of the game. Oh, is it Monica? Tell her we are recording. How are you doing? Oh, I gave her the heads up before she got out of the shower. Okay, okay. Sorry for the spicy footage you didn't get.
    23:42
    You usually were not recording video, so yeah. All right. I'm done with haggis. Are you done too? Yes, please. Okay. All right. Let's jump to the next topic. Last week, I made a 40-minute long video with Spooky Looney Tunes unboxing. Did you watch that video? No, not yet because I've been on the road the whole time. I haven't had a second to sit down and watch anything. I've got that I've got to watch. I've got Gonzo's pinball Futurama I've got to watch.
    24:15
    You have a screen right at the background. You need to. I mean, usually you watch my videos on live, the first guy.
    24:25
    I've been on the road for the last week and a half and haven't had a chance to sit still. Yeah. We actually tried to make this show yesterday, and you're on vacation on the road. So, yeah, it's not easy. So spooky. spooky pinball i have my hands on the first spooky pinball in summer of 2024 how lame is that that we are out there so so late but so this game came okay lunatunes i'm filming i'm unboxing i'm testing everything because we're about to sell these games and if one thing my bro doesn't want is headache because between you and me, all pinball is just funny money for us here. Okay, it's only funny money. So he wants no headache. It just needs to be plug and play and work. Okay, so, okay, you didn't watch my video. So we unboxed. I am taking all switches, coils, everything, everything, everything.
    25:26
    If you have seen on your game, it has got when you lift it and take it all the way back. it has got these metal thingies you can put the playfield back so you can work on it, right? Yeah.
    25:38
    Did you pull your lunatunes all the way back? You mean all the way out? Just, yeah, all the way back and just lay it there. Yeah. You can't do that.
    25:53
    Because at the end, like 20 centimeters before, It has got a vertical up kicker metal stuff. You got to watch it. Yeah, don't put it on the vertical up kicker. Yeah, so it will hit that. So the only issue I had was at the factory they pulled it a bit back and that bent the vertical up kicker. Oh, no. Yeah, that resulted in the left ram where it goes in and locks into that rocket. Yeah. That couldn't go up and down. Oh, no. So I just, you know, bent it and blah, blah, blah. And then it worked. after that we just kept on playing we fell in love with this game it's so good it's so fun shots and layout is awesome i talked about they have copied a shot from i mean that upper right flipper it shoots off that little rep and it comes feeds back to the upper right flipper again just like on avengers repeatable yeah beautiful i love it and it has got you know the ball magnet from Shadow. It's beautiful. I love shots on layup. So did my brother. We were having so much fun. And the cool part is, you shoot a ram and the ball just comes back. No, it's just swirly. The ball is all over the place. It's so cool, right? Where is the ball exit? It was so good. Music, it was okay. It's Looney Tunes. But the call-out. yeah the call-ups are so cool i remember when you visited this company you called me and you said you were you were playing and monica was watching and every time you got a call out you were laughing you were having so much fun it was a good time this game yeah you need to take my video because i was it was so much fun but the next thing i want to talk about is rules dude i updated to the The latest, it's 19th today of July. To the latest, what's going on, man? The rules are perfectly set up on Looney Tunes. Now, you get this mode, mission, whatever, and the mission you're on or the mode you're on, those inserts are lit, and on the screen it writes you need to hit seven times more. That's it. I love it. It's not Jersey Jack. Guns N' Roses where all the inserts are lit up everything is blinking in multiple colors what the fuck is that? I've made stuff like that it's like you do your Daffy Duck Robin Hood you collect money and then you put the money in to qualify it then you go with some more and you can build it up if you want or play more simply the call outs are there shoot the red shots and you know shoot the acne it's so simple setup it's perfect from the first ball i love simplicity all the callouts are in the looney tunes voices too it's not just some you know magical callout person that's doing it like when you play in wonka and there's just this kid multi ball i'm like okay elderly person who are you sir or madam i don't know i mean i don't know how long they are on um takes a chainsaw code but the code on lunas was right now summer of 2024 so good all the time when we were playing i was i was looking at my bro i was like jay this game with texas chainsaw these orange ramps all blood red yes chainsaw and all my we need this and he was like dude we can have that on a location. You need to have that location. Dude, it's such a cool game. So, no issue. It just worked. It was such a cool, cool experience.
    29:57
    Wow. And something else I want to include. I got to watch your video now. You have to watch the video because, you know, I unbox American Pinball, Jersey, I unbox everything. everything unboxing also we will fly them home so that means my video is one of the first on the line online yeah so spooky was all new for me i should you know quality test this and then it just popped up it just worked and we started playing and we just agreed we we don't agree on pinball my bro and i all the time but we just agreed this we're gonna sell this this is cool we had open yeah people were coming and visiting they were like whoa this is so cool now do you have this on a location or is in your showroom it's um it's on this showroom is open every thursday only one day a week it's open and sometimes in in saturday so they were actually open yesterday and people were like we have a facebook group with about uh 3 000 members in And people are like, oh, my God. So, yeah. And then we have promoted next Saturday Open House with this game on YouTube, on Facebook. So, here in Scandinavia, we paid for promotion in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. So, everybody can see. And, you know, you can see I want to join that show or something. So, we're promoting it. So I'm hoping this upcoming Saturday that people will come and visit and try this game. And in this way, we're also testing the quality. How does it keep up? Because people will play it. People would smack it. I mean, and we got the Collector's Edition, which is just, Donnie, can you mod that game with anything? Not much. The only thing I could do is maybe make my own characters that I want to see in there and just swap them out. But honestly, like, every plastic is where it needs to be. Everything is already powder-coated. There's magnetic graphics. There's ArtBlade's already in it. There's not much you can add, you know. Shaker is installed. Everything. Knocker is installed. Copper. Big, big slot for audio system.
    32:12
    Amplifier. Speaker lights. The door is painted also. Wow. Speaker lights. And how much does it cost? $96.99. The same as a Stern Premium that has none of that. None of that. Bam. None of that. Bam! You got it. And the play field is jam-packed. Shots are so much fun. Do you have any issue with them copying some of the shots or getting fired? No. I totally think it's okay to take what's worked really well in pinball before and bring that into your machine. Take the best ideas that you've come across and bring them together. Why is that a bad thing? Exactly. Don't be afraid to try things new. But, you know, hey, that ramp from that game and then this thing from this game, let's bring them together, put them together, make it even better. So good. That loop on the upper right flipper that loops and comes back really fast, it's one-to-one from Iron Maiden. Yeah.
    33:09
    While I'm filming, I walked over to Iron Maiden. It's one-to-one. I mean, Keith Elwood is so cleverly inspired. Let's say inspired. Have you played with the lock mechanism too where the diverter in the back right pops up and lets the balls go into the Vuck to lock up there?
    33:28
    Come on. It's so good. It just works. It's so good. When they were showing that to me, I'm like, how does it get up there? Like, okay, so the diverter just pops up and stays up. He's like, oh, no, no, no, no. The switch up there causes the pop up fast enough that that ball can go then off the field into the Vuck. It's like mind-blowing. I love it. You can see at the back, you can see physical balls locked in there. And just to the right of it, it has got three very bright yellow lights where it says ball one locked. And it looks so good when they're lit up and extra ball is in. It looks so good. I love that. And it's playing the cartoon when it locks the ball. I get to watch cartoons too. Yeah, it's so cool. And, you know, that rocket locked to the left side, every time the ball goes into that rocket, that meat grinder, it starts grinding. And we're like, I want to play TCM. What does it do?
    34:24
    I hope that somebody here in Denmark or Sweden, whatever, wants to buy Texas Chainsaw Massacre and they say, Cengiz, can you just install Playfield Protector? I will say, yes, of course, buddy. Get it home. Install the Playfield Protector. I'm going to test play it. Okay, yeah, okay. Oh, yes.
    34:42
    Oh, I really hope it. Because we can't have it on location, Donnie. I mean, but the gameplay-wise, everything, it feels like a home player's pin that you just can go deep. Because it's not the hardest game, okay? It's not a drain monster.
    35:00
    Right Outland was a drain monster for us. But Left Outland, no trouble, nothing at all. I enjoyed it. But one thing I need to add up here. You love the game still, right? Absolutely. Yeah, it's not listed for sale for sure. Both of them, Chase and Looney? Yeah. They're my babies.
    35:20
    I want to say something. Now, this we talked about. We talked about Haggis. Now, I'm going to talk to you about Spooky. So when Spooky and I talked about being a distro, they were so cool. Everything was just happy faces, happiness, so cool, everything. Okay. So I made this video. I uploaded this video Donnie, usually I get a message From you with a screenshot You're enjoying, okay, with popcorn And everything Do you know who contacted me?
    35:51
    Buck I saw this post was shared Corwin, he contacts me Okay, now before I go into details When I unbox Jaws Do you think anyone from Stern Contacted me? No When I unbox American Pinball Do you think anyone? No. And I go into Ditcher's show. Do you think they're in contact? No. I unboxed Super Hoop, that game from Spain. They were happy, but they didn't directly contact me. Okay, Pinball Brothers, they were off the hook. They were so happy. They reached out. Okay. But, but he contacts me. First of all, he writes, oh, while he's watching the video, while this guy is watching the video, He saw me adjusting that lock mechanism. He's like, oh, this and this and this. And I'm like, take it easy, Corbin, or Buck. Take it easy. Just watch the rest of the video. All right. So he watched the rest of the video, and he came back. He was like, dude, awesome video. And I had some feedback, some ideas, 20 years of pinball experience. You know how it is. He just, I mean, so kind, so kind. And he was like, I'm going to share your video on our main page. I'm loving this deep dive inside video. So, but thank you, buddy. And I told him we're going to talk about this game. And he was like, I'm going to check out your podcast. So, hey, Team Spooky, such a cool game. I fell in love with it. My bro fell in love with it. We have people here in Denmark that has been writing to us. They want to come out and try the game. Donnie is in love with your game. It's just happy, happy, right? Happy, happy, joy, joy. Does we have anything negative about it? I'm loving it. Do we have any issues? No. I mean, the only things that I've seen pop up have been little bug issues. Occasionally, after hours of playing, a ball surge will come up, and you have to reset the game. Each iteration of the code has fixed those, but a couple of other new things will come in. But these guys, they don't ignore their games. I mean, they're still making code for Ultraman. It's so cool. So the code updates are coming, and every time they do drop a code update, there may be a couple little ball search bugs that come up after a couple hours of play, but there's like two new cartoon modes, too, that you get, like fully fleshed out. I'm telling you, when I just turned the power on, I just wanted to play, so I started playing. So an animation comes, and I double flip, and it just keeps on playing it. I was like, no, this kills it for me. This is just like when I unbox Godzilla or when you lose the ball and it has to count all your bonus. I double flip because I can't wait. That's why I love the pro games. I can't wait. And it just keeps on counting. And I'm like, oh, no, spooky. And then my bro comes in with the USB stick. He puts it in. We update it, okay, to the newest code. So we start a new game again. It starts the same animation. I just double flip. Bam. It cuts the animation. And I'm like, yes, victory. And I lose the ball, and it starts counting, and I double flip. Bam, it just cuts the animation. And next player, yes, it was just. I'm so happy I didn't get this game four months ago. I'm so happy I'm getting this with this code. Okay, so, yeah, one issue only. Thursday, we had open about every second hour. It couldn't detect the balls and the ball trough. So we need to just restart the game. and everything worked. So it's not a mechanical issue. It's just software. After about two hours, it just loses the count or something happens. So, yeah, this is a little feedback to Bud. So, yeah, that's the next thing they could upgrade. How is the code on TCM compared to Looney Tunes? Because it's another team. It's good, yeah. So the game plays differently, whereas, you know, Looney Tunes is you hit the shots, hit the crate, start the cartoon, and just kind of rinse and repeat You can do that the whole time while you're playing with the lock and the multiball and whatnot. TCM is very much like, you know, play and then, you know, pick your character, which character you're playing. You know, each different shot levels up that character, and then there's character modes attached to each one of those. So the approach to the code is different. They had two different teams on each of these games, whereas with Ultraman and Halloween, it was, you know, one team where they just kind of copied and pasted the gameplay codes. So it does play differently, and it gives you a different. feeling when you're playing. When the ball hits the slings, you're hearing a chainsaw in the background revving up. It's like, oh gosh, you're constantly reminded that there's like chainsaw-wielding maniac cannibals out here.
    40:37
    My favorite mode of the game is when you get into this little gas station, gas station gift shop kind of thing, and it just starts playing this really creepy honky-tonk kind of country music, and the whole time you're in the store, you're just trying to make purchases and rack up some coins um and it's just like it just changes the whole feeling of what you're playing the game like you're in this video mode you need to buy things in the store or what no no the store the screen is just like the cash register the shots are when you're purchasing but just the music you know the ding of the bell when you go into this place you just feel like you're playing in a place that you're uncomfortable okay wow man how does it work with that the refrigerator so on loon shoes It's this mink-mink when he has this dynamite. Yeah, so on both of these games, there's under-flipper shots for the upper flippers. And so when you get to the under-flipper shot on the lower one and it rolls through, that's when the little lady pops up out of the freezer and then slowly closes back again. Creepy.
    41:35
    And then when you lock a ball in Looney Tunes, it plays the Wile E. Coyote cartoon snippet. When you lock a ball in TCM, you get to see the scene of a woman being placed on a meat hook. Oh, my God. I think they had a lot of fun because Buck and his dad, they love these kind of stuff. They didn't hold anything back. They used all the assets from the film, and they created the moods, which is the biggest difference between these two games. The mood is completely different.
    42:04
    I talked privately with Buck about my favorite game, and he should design it, and we had a great talk about that. I can't share it, but oh, my sweet mother of Candy Flush. I love it. I kind of think they care about it almost as much as you do.
    42:20
    Okay. Next step I want to talk to you about is audio in games. Yeah. So last week, do you still have your Swords of Rage?
    42:34
    Wait I never had a Swords of Rage Oh wait Black Knight Swords of Rage I thinking of the other Lion Man Oh you thinking of Swords of Fury Yes yes Black Knight Yes You have Black Knight right I do Yes cool cool cool So, you know, I love the audio part in games. It's 50% of the enjoyment. That's how I feel. Okay. So, Joel, he streamed Black Knight, okay? Swords of Rage. So, he's playing and he mentions me. He's having this talk while he's doing the stream. and I can feel on Joel Engelbert that the more he plays, the more he's on this audio part enjoyment. He really enjoys it. And this game, you know how hardcore the audio is, right? Yes, yeah. So someone on the comments, he writes, you can actually go to the menu. I don't know if you know this, Donnie. I just heard that. Go to the menu. Yeah. The alternate audio. And change the music. Yes. Have you tried it? No. Have you tried it? I haven't been back home long enough to do it, But I just found out about this. Yeah. While on his show, live, he changed to this alternative music that's coded. It's so cool. And it changes. And these guys are like, whoa, the atmosphere. Donnie, it's so good. You need to do it when it's really dark, highest volume possible, and just change. And it changes the game. It's so good. And, I mean, I could just feel these two brothers. What's his brother's name?
    44:08
    Joel and – come on, let's be respectful. I'm totally blanking on it. Joel and – I want to say Corbin. That's not it. But his baby brother. Okay. So sorry. I'm looking it up.
    44:23
    Are you trying to find his name or what? Yeah, yeah. Keep going. I'm going to look it up. Okay, okay. They were just in another place. It was just new feeling for them. So, yeah, the music is so important. And you know what? You can go in and do the same thing with Godzilla. Godzilla have alternative music also. Stop it. Have you tried that? I didn't know that. It has it, man. It has it. You can go in and change it. So this is your excuse to buy the 70th anniversary edition so you can try that out again. So everybody that has got a Black Knight Source of Rage The music is cool But if you want a bit more laid back music Medieval music Go into the menu and change It's so cool Jeremy, right? Jared, there you go Jared and Joel, they were streaming Jared is a really cool guy I really like him, he's laid back And he's laid back He's more to, you know, D&D and what one of those card games called, Magic the Gathering.
    45:32
    Also cool nerdy stuff. And Joel, on the other hand, he's just code deep. Code, he's so deep. And sometimes when Joel, he just talks about the code. Because just see Jared, he's like, bro, you lost me.
    45:47
    You lost me 20 minutes ago. And he's like, and then you can go in here. But if you don't do that right now and you collect this one, And then you would say, oh, come on, Joe.
    45:58
    Cool guys. I have struggled to get these back to you. They're on Flippin' Out Channel. I mean, yeah. So audio part, wow, man. That was so cool. Talking about audio, did you have time to play your WWE WrestleMania? It showed up the day I had to leave for the airport. So I did get to play it. And then briefly I was at home for a little bit and spent some time on it. And I got to tell you, I'm having a lot of fun with it. I got the LE version, so I get even more characters. I get all the original ones, plus Hulk Hogan's in there, Undertaker he can play as. Does it have Hulk Hogan's music? I am a real American. Absolutely it does. Yeah, this is the version to get. It's got an extra wire form. It's got an extra flipper. It's got the spinning disc on there. The Jumbotron. Man, yeah, it's great. I recently, I just played the standard version the other day. Easy, I own the standard version. Easy now. Cool game, cool game. But the LE is even better. It got Hulk Hogan's autograph on the apron. Oh, man.
    47:06
    That screen at the backside, isn't it just, you know, doesn't it just help on the whole mood? I think it was Stern's first LCK. Hulk Hogan ripping the t-shirt and all that. It's going to look even better when I figure out how to split that signal and put it to a bigger Jumbotron on the topper.
    47:23
    Why not, man? Just an HDMI splitter. I hope it's that easy. So that's the most important part, that you enjoy the game. I know there are other podcasters that just on that game, but it's audio galore. It's so good. And I have installed pin sound speakers in mine. oh my god when I play that game I'm back in 1993 I'm watching I gotta get your speaker upgrade man maybe it has got it you have to check it open see if it's came with speakers but I still want the amplifier board though about the amplifier are just about to release this huge PCB board that you just in 15 seconds You just click it on your board, and it has got about 200 watts of amplifier. It's going to be awesome. Just wait for that. It's really, really soon. Okay, really, really soon. I'm excited. Okay, congratulations with your game. I love it. You paid like $6,000, right? That's it. Oh, man, it's so good, man. And I went back on Pinside, and the historical sales for that game is only 400 limited editions. And there was only one of the last 25 that sold that was less than what I paid for it. They've all been either at or more. so yeah and 90 plays on it yeah wow there's no dimpling it was barely played people stop hating just up with the volume it's such a fun pin people don't get it if you don't like it go play Jurassic Park it's still there still Jurassic Park have fun with it go play Deadpool go play Bond I'm going to play WWE it's so good it's so nerdy it's so awesome when you hit drop down tigers once and they pop up at a second time when it says coming from new york city 288 pounds and some name you just get in that mood it's awesome go ahead and try that game it's a cheap game it's a fun game it's an underrated game yeah for sure all right all right all right oh so cool man so i I want to ask you, did you sell any games? Labyrinth sold. Oh!
    49:45
    Congratulations, man. So who, what, did you just put an ad on Pinside, or was it on this show last time where you said, come and hit me up, I want to sell this game? How did this happen? Pinside and Facebook, and then I got reached out almost immediately from a friend on Facebook who said, hey, my friend's looking for this, and they connected me with the buyer, and I got, yeah, a full price offer.
    50:08
    Do you want to share? $11,500 for the game. How much did you pay with tax and shipping, blah, blah, blah? MSRP was $10,600 shipping, I don't know, $400 or $500. And then the topper is $1,000 and then the back glass and the shooter rod and all that. So it came with all the accessories. And I saw that they were selling for $11,500 with accessories. And so that's what I put it up for, or best offer. I comped the shipping and it went on out. So that should be landing at the buyer today. congratulations to the new owner i hope he is happy yeah yeah so did you buy new games so it was when i i found wwe i was like i gotta sell something else because i didn't sell godzilla 2 um picked up that monsters premium black and white edition and then labyrinth went out and i got wwe and so i'm freeing up some space tales from the crypt will be going out next month to inspire um he can't wait i know the the buyer of that he can't wait brad's excited man and i'll probably deliver it myself i'm gonna drive it over to his house oh yes so good so good he really he he is really into today's game so so good so good everything is good okay so i want to ask you do you have anything on your wish list right now one to buy top three three to have anything or But are you just, you know, the old Don, I'm just waiting for the next game that comes out and I'm going to get it? Or do you have anything on your wish list now? The only thing I can say that I wouldn't mind having now would be that Godzilla 70th, which I'm about to go play this afternoon across the street. It's set up. I'm going to go play it as soon as they open the doors. Oh, yes. But the other two things that I want to get are still to come. They're only rumored titles. And it's coming in this fall deluge of games we're going to get. So chiefly among them is whatever Spooky's working on next Because they won't tell me what it is But I can see how excited they are And then it's going to be Either if Metallica looks amazing Or if there is a Pokemon Or a Harry Potter Or something like that Otherwise other games I have my eye out for I wouldn't mind a Toy Story 4 Collector Edition At some point If I come across a good deal I like that game I found out that Figment from Epcot makes a cameo appearance in one of the modes. And so another game that doesn't get appreciated much, probably because the price was so high when it was released. But playing it on locations, I wouldn't mind having a good version of it, barely played, cherry powder coat, top of the line, good price.
    52:46
    Underrated game again? I feel like, okay, we have them out on location and they are so popular. Every time I hit the ramp, I play them. Yeah, hitting that ramp is fun, man. Yeah, that jump ramp? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's so cool, man. I enjoy it. Have you sent out all those T-shirts?
    53:08
    T-shirts everywhere. Again, they just dropped. They're at the house right now. So as soon as I get home from this trip, they're going out.
    53:15
    People are writing to Donnie about T-shirts at wearepinball69gmail.com. And Donnie doesn't send right away because he needs to get these T-shirts. And people are writing to me, Jengis, call this guy out. We want T-shirts. And you know what? We have some, can we call them fans? No, not fans. We're grown people. Listeners of that show that wants to be on that show. You're going to enter later today. And he wrote to me he wanted to wear We Are Pinball T-shirt with pride. Come on, buddy.
    53:46
    I'll sell the one off my back if somebody comes up to me at the show. If you have some stickers or something. I want to say thank you. For anybody that reaches out, I mean, this community, I love this community, man. Yeah. All right. Donnie. Yeah. Last time we took our Pinsight top 10 to 20 list, and people loved that section. So this time we're going to talk about Pinsight again. Yeah. 20 to 40. And two weeks has passed. the list can be updated and we don't care about that we're just gonna talk about it it doesn't matter if it's upgraded right quick hits yeah yeah we're gonna go all the way down this is this was very very popular so let's go ahead and talk about it so at number 20 i'm gonna tell you the rules if people didn't listen to the last show why not but at number 20 we have got indiana jones The Pinball Adventure 1993. Two questions. Does it deserve to be on number 20? And is it worth that price? So, Indiana Jones, what do you think of Bally Williams? Has everything you would want in a Bally Williams game. Tons of shots, a fun bridge, fun little mechanisms. I love this. Remake this game today, please. Because is it worth the price? Not to me, so I don't have one. But I wouldn't mind one. This is one remake I'd probably go for. I think this is one of the games that will be pretty expensive to remake because of the license with Harrison Ford. It is what it is. It would sell a lot, though, too. Oh, yes. On every cinema location they would buy it. I hope they will remake it. Does it deserve number 20? Yes. It's such a cool pin. I have played it for 20 years. I still love it. I still enjoy it. It's a great pin. the price. They're not cheap.
    55:49
    That's probably what it's worth because there's not that many especially if it's in a good condition. But for me, it's not worth it. Otherwise, I'd have one.
    55:58
    They're expensive, but I'm telling you, they're absolutely awesome. So Indie, it's such a good game. Number 21, Star Trek from Stern. Number 21, have you played that game? I have. I have spent some time on it. It kind of reminds me a bit of Attack from Mars with the spaceship right there that bumbles around. Oh, yeah, yeah. 18 deep ruleset. Fun game. Yeah, I get it. I get some love. I think it deserves to be on the list. Yeah. At number 21?
    56:30
    Debatable, you know. But top 50. I like it. I would rather play Star Trek Premium than Medieval Madness, to be honest. I'm just saying. I like the price. They're not expensive. Oh, the LE is expensive. Have you seen the LE? That's how an LE game should be. Old LEs. I got to come across one. I don't think I've played an LE in person. Okay. I have when they came out. Very beautiful. Love that game. Number 23, most old games in modern times, the Addams Family. Yeah. Does it deserve?
    57:07
    Yes, because of how well it's sold. It's a cultural touchstone in the community. I think there's other games that play better than it, but it's got like five pop bumpers. What game has that, dude? That shot through the pops, I love it. The little greed. Whirlwind has got six pop bumpers. Come on. Okay, all right, fine. But yeah, so it's of that ilk. I like it. Gameplay-wise, I like it as much as Whirlwind, but because it's Raul, Julia, and the nostalgia that pushes it up over the top, that's why it's number one, baby.
    57:36
    I'm telling you, Woodrow. You know, I think it was Greg Bone that said that this game has some sort of sexiness in it. And he's absolutely right. If you have seen the movie, I mean, there's some kind of spooky sexiness all over this game. A mamushka. Yeah.
    57:57
    It's a fun game. But the thing is, this is one of those games for years now, you should have an Addams Family and a Twilight Zone. people has the Adams family in their collections but they don't play them that often I don't know they're just yeah that's just my experience with just right into us if you have it do you play it couple of times a week how is it at you price yeah it's an expensive game expensive game if you want a good version of it yeah that's what we're talking about not a even bad versions go for a lot of money still absolutely man let's jump over to 24 yes it's a labyrinth oh wow yes so doesn't deserve to be on the list at number 24 i mean this is probably the best debut game from a new company that we've seen you know um i don't think anybody could argue against that um sticks to the theme uh if the theme works for you it really works for you other people still haven't seen the film i don't know why not? It's full of Muppets and David Bowie.
    59:02
    It's got cool ball paths, a fun magnet. The paths change. Some of the shots are a little bit tight. That's what held it up for me. I'd put it in the top 50 for sure.
    59:15
    Price-wise, there's one version. It's a new game. The market says so because I listed it, basically what I paid for it, and it got sold in a week.
    59:27
    It's price well there. Okay, the next game should not be at top 100, but it's there. It's Jersey Jack, Willy Wonka, and the Chocolate Factory. Does it deserve number 25? There's some artificial inflation going on. What the heck?
    59:44
    The prize, what did I go for? I don't know. I don't care. Like dialed in money, I think. Yeah. Next game, it's Williams, 1993, Star Trek, The Next Generation. That's a cool game. It's a cool game, wide body.
    60:01
    Man, it will never happen, but I'd love to see this theme done again, more modern with a big screen and everything.
    60:07
    But, yeah, it's fun. It's a unique shooting game. I love that spirally ramp that it's got. It's got the works in. Yeah. Popular game. It has always been popular. Prize, it gained up in value for the last five years just like Adam's, so it's pretty up there, but you're getting a lot of game for the money. Absolutely, yeah. Next game, how is this No, wait, wait, wait Not yet Number 27, I agree on this one Avengers Infinity Quest At number 27 Good shooting game, I don't understand anything about the code What I'm doing, but I have fun making the shots Who's the coder of that game? Everybody says they don't get that code I think it's a Ray Day special I don't know, but people say Everybody I talk with, they say they don't understand Is he a competition player?
    60:58
    Maybe. I don't know. I met the dude. Cool guy. He did Rush, too, which I give him a ton of crap about because I still have trouble melding my brain around it. But his level of genius and my level of ability are slightly out of phase, I think, is what it is.
    61:13
    Fair, fair. All right. So should it be at number 27? It's an L one, so I guess. Yeah. Just shots and layers alone, man. Wow. It's fine. Okay. Are you sitting down? Number 28. Now, this is a crooked list. Number 28 is a Stern 2016 Batman 60 sucks. Oh, God. How did that get in the list? It should be a number 366. This shouldn't be in the top 100. No, man. When I hit that left ram, everything is just wobbling. I'm like, I'm going to break something here, and the audio part is stinky. It's jazz from the 50s or 60s. It's unbearable. My first game was Batman Dark Knight. I really loved it, but it's like I feel like I'm playing it again. Like I think they borrowed too much from that game. The little turntable mechanism is awesome, but that's the greatest thing about it. I love the theme, but the whole package is not worth what it's costing. Can you see what the audio package does for a guy like me when it's just stinky jazz noise? I can't. I don't like it. Price. I don't know. We bought the premium for like $8,000. There is this super idiot edition. What's it called? Super limited edition. Don't you know, Genghis, that it is the greatest machine of all time and has ever looked? and I'm going to sell it immediately as soon as I unbox it. But it's been stored in CoinTaker forever.
    62:49
    For years we had to listen to that. So I just want to add something. Okay, it was the best game in the world until Kaneda sold it. But can you imagine when Kaneda unboxes his Jersey Jack, Guns N' Roses all of a sudden Guns N' Roses would be number one game in the world Stern would be A-holes and Jersey Jack would be god level and Guns N' Roses would be the best of the best just wait and see man don't ever put your game by a window except if it's mine then it's okay have you unboxed it and put it in front of a window or what? I believe it's sitting next to a window yeah oh my god he has been talking about that stinky window all are you surprised are you surprised but if he does it then it's okay yeah yeah if you're doing a bootleg gucci t-shirt it's fine yeah i mean oh man now he must be talking on his shows that it the best When he unboxed this game this game has issues when it gets unboxed and Kaneda cannot repair stuff. He doesn't want to repair stuff. I really want to know what happened.
    64:13
    Oh, my God. Yeah. Okay. So Batman 60 sucks. But he sold Batman, so it's not the best game in the world anymore. But now, Guns N' Roses is. Guys, Guns N' Roses is a poor man's entrance to the wonderful world of JJP games. Absolutely. So if you don't have that much money, it's the cheapest game you can find. It's for sale everywhere. Yeah. And if it's for $6,000 for a limited edition, you can probably play it. It's the everlasting gobstopper. You can suck it and suck it. It'll never get any smaller. Perfect for children with very little pocket change.
    64:46
    I mean, I said earlier in this video, you just start that game. They just come up with a new code. It still has multiples. You can go into the options, and it has so much multiple, multiple, multiple, and all the lights are lit. They didn't correct that. It's purple. Everything is lit. Everything is blinking. Everything is just all over the place, and it's so sad because I love Guns N' Roses music. Welcome to the jungle. Yeah. I mean, Don't You Cry Tonight, that's my favorite, and You Could Be Mine. Oh, I love You Could Be Mine. But they just, yeah, make a new one.
    65:26
    The light shows and the song modes are great. Get a new code and just put three balls, multi-balls in it, and make us work for the multi-balls. That's just what I want to say. Alternate code, yeah. That's all the thing I want to say about that. All right, so Batman 60 sucks at 28. At number 29, it's a game that I have owned for over 20 years. It's Tales of the Arabian Nights, Bell Williams, 1996 game. Remake this game.
    65:54
    Yeah, I think it will be remade. It's fun. Right. I'm going to spin that lamp 100 times. I love it. Oh, that's the coolest spinner ever. Also, the ramp, one entrance, 3,000 exits. It's so good with diverters all over the place. That game is just filled with magnets. That vertical magnet that sucks the ball in. Oh, I love it. A pin cage that comes up and grabs the ball. Yeah, all that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, grabs the ball, sucks it onto the play field. So cool, man. Absolutely. The price, oh, my God. I have got a gold version that's like $20,000. So they are not cheap, not cheap in good condition. Yeah. At number 30, popular game, ACDC from Stern. It's good. What do you think? Does it deserve number 30? Man, imagine if this game had come out in the modern era with the full screen and Spike 2 complement. Yeah, it's one of the greatest Spike games ever.
    66:52
    When did the game come out? Was it 2013 or something? It's a bit old. It's over 10 years old, I think. I think it came out before Metallica. Oh, okay, so maybe not. Either way, it's old, man. Mechanisms, the gun that shoots, the bell that ding-dongs. I don't even hate the lower play field. It's fun, yeah.
    67:12
    That lower play field, I don't enjoy lower play fields. Do we have a Monsters Premium? Yes, sir. Do we have the lower play field? Do you like the lower play field? I love the lower play field. I like the Monster Madness mode where you're playing the lower play field and the main play field in a multiball at the same time. At the same time. That's a bit stressful.
    67:31
    It's still better than the play field on Shrek, the mini play field. I'm telling you. It's fun. So the price of ACDC, I have no idea, man. They have so many versions. We have the Lucy Edition. I think we paid $6,500 for a new boss, Lucy. I think it belongs on the list. And, yeah, the price is probably right. It's one of the better games. I just wish it came out with, like, now when code is much more robust and Insider Connected and all that business.
    68:01
    Maybe. After Metallica, maybe they would do this. At number 31. Yeah. Crooked list. This proves that Kaneda unboxed his Jersey Jack Guns N' Roses. Is it Guns N' Roses? It's number 31 Guns N' Roses. I like the game, but how? How can Guns N' Roses be over? Let me just look down, okay? It's higher up than Tron. It's higher up than Simpsons. Higher up than Theater of Magic, Scared Steve. It's higher up than Ghostbusters. It's higher up than Rick and Morty, Spider-Man, Dialed in Circus Voltaire. The walking dead? Yeah, no. No, no, no, no, no. Aw, crooked list. Crooked list. Great price. Price is definitely on point for this game as a buyer. I think it's your best bang for buck. It's such a cheap pin. I'm selling. They're for sale for $6,000, and nobody wants them. Nobody buys them. Nobody wants them in their collection. So, yeah, and that's not your fault. It's not my fault. It's the whole community's fault. They built so many of them.
    69:11
    Rumors are saying 5,000 Illies and 500, what are they called? Collectors. Collectors, yeah. So 5,500.
    69:22
    Collectors are pretty. They're pretty. Dude, dude, it's not because there are many of them. It's because nobody wants to play that game. It's just double flip, double flip, balls all the way, double flip, double flip. you get tired. Yeah. Double flip, everything blinks, double flip, double flip. Oh, come on, dude. All right. It's at 31. It should be at 331. That's a prize. I agree with you. Yeah. Great bang for buck.
    69:48
    Buy it as a jukebox, man. Great light show. And when you enter the jukebox, you will get, you know, a concert on the screen and put in some better speakers and you can have a great jukebox for $5,500.
    70:01
    That's how I feel. All right. Next game, Pimple Brothers Alien at number 32. Should it be up at number 32? No. Do you like this white-body game? It's okay. Yeah, I don't mind playing it. It's a good location game for me. I don't want to own it at home.
    70:18
    But, yeah, not bad. Maybe around 110 is where I'd put it. All right. Not everything can be in the top 100. The price is brand new Ripple Edition for only 7K or something. yeah it's it's priced well right yeah yeah okay cool next game on the list stern number 33 tron legacy should it be at number 33 i don't get tron i'm not a tron guy i don't know no plastic plastic ramps and yeah it was a weird scoop and yeah i don't know the music is cool i love tron as a theme i don't like the back glass i don't like the art i don't like how it was implemented i don't like the gameplay i don't know what i'm missing people love this game you can love it the third the third version that came out had 3d back glass but on one of the sides you could see on on the back box you could see um the dark haired and blonde girl oh my god love that back box they're so num num yeah but number 33 get the f out of Yeah. Number 34, Stern Simpsons Pinball Party. Do you agree? Should it be up that high? I guess. I don't know. It seems kind of high for a game of that era. There's a lot in it. It's fun. 2003. I like the pop-up. People love the coat. I like the couch. The monorail, little angle iron bridge is kind of neat. So, yeah, I guess. I think we need to see a new Stern, like a Treehouse of Terror.
    71:55
    Something like that. The prize, I don't know. I don't know their prices. I think they're still going for more than you would expect. Okay, okay. Some people really like that game, so yeah, I don't know. For me, it's too high up there. I want to see some new codes. Number 35. We're up at number 35. Belly Williams, 1996. Scared stiff. Good game. Elvira 2. Tons of innuendo. Love that. That snake ramp. Cool trunk. Yeah, hitting that crate. That's cool. and that on top of the RAM it has got this big snake head bone something. I'd rather play this than Guns N' Roses.
    72:37
    Absolutely. MF66. Come on. And pricing, I think it's priced a bit high, but it's a cool game. I like it. It's one of those games you just need to own once. Yeah. Okay. Number 36, I disagree. Theater of Magic 1995. It's got a box that rotates. What's not to like? Yeah. Yeah, but... This is the one people really want remade. It's not the one I want remade. I'd rather take a Twilight Zone or a Tales of the Arabian Nights for sure over Theater of Magic. But, yeah, I don't know. 100%. People dig it. Look, look.
    73:15
    Adam's Family. Now, this is 20 years of friendship. When people buy this, this is just, you know... When people buy Adam's Family and Theater of Magic and Bram Stoker's Dracula, these three games, the first three weeks, you're like, oh, my God. Buy a Dracula. The first three weeks, you will be stunned. It will be better than everything else. Just like Theater of Magic, the first three weeks, you were like, why didn't I get this game before? But week four, you are like, what the what? and I'm telling you try it you're like after week 4 you're like what the fuck go away and it's just like that so that high up at number 36 no okay let's go oh my god number 37 The Mandalorian oh man no should it be that high up? if you told me this was number 88 I'd be like okay probably I don't hate the game, and it's actually one I've toyed here and there with picking up if I see a really cheap one, just so I can play through some modes. And then I play it, and I'm like, this is kind of boring. I don't want to do this.
    74:31
    Uninspired layout, uninspired code. It's just so... You get the dangly bit. And you tend to buy the premium LE, and the LE has that head with dual flippers.
    74:46
    Buy something else. Yeah, buy something else. There's so many better options. When you hit me up, you said you want to buy the Swords of Rage. You want to hear Steve Richie. And I said, yeah, go for it. You hit me up. You said you want to buy Monsters. I was like, yeah, go for it. And you hit me up and you say, hey, Mandalorian. And I'm like, no. Maybe think about it. Think about that. No, no, no. Great theme. Not stinky game. Best gun. $2,000 topper. Oh, it's a beautiful topper, but yeah. It's cool. Is it I mean The value, is it priced right I don't know what they go for They're not expensive It's twice the cost of the topper For the whole game Okay, fair Alright I'll trade you a Guns N' Roses for one Number 38 is Ghostbusters I mean I appreciate this game for what it is I don't like it as much as other people do I like it better than Tron, but still, it doesn't do it for me. Which version have you played? All of them. And I do like the one with the subway ramp. That is a super cool shot. Ball dives under the plate, Phil pops back up. That's cool. Yeah. Magnetic slings and the screen with the hollow. I love that. Correct. I do like that. So there's things that I like about it. You know, the flippers don't come together enough. If they did, it would change all the layout of the shot, so it'll never happen. How about the outlanes? Outlanes. The ball just jumps over from the inlane to the outlane and just drains, man. I'm out. It's so crazy. Yeah. So I guess if you change the settings to give yourself a pretty generous ball save, I think that would solve a lot of the issues. Oh, Donnie, let me tell you what happened with this game. Okay, let me tell you. This game came out, okay. It was unfairly designed. So you just lost the ball, blah, blah, blah. People were frustrated. People were crying, and it was just so irritating. They didn't come up with the final code, the final wizard mode. People waited and waited and waited. And then, all of a sudden, years, years later,
    76:53
    Dwight Sullivan, he updated the code. And do you know what he did? No, what did he do? You start a new game, you have 45 ball saves. You just save the ball for 16 minutes. It just saves the ball, saves the ball, saves the ball. Oh, my God. Exactly just like you said. Now, after the code update, oh, my. You shoot. It flies over the in lane and out lane and drains. And ball save, ball save, ball save all the time. It removed the – this game is hard. I really tried to get 100 ghosts and achieve something. He removed all that. Now, just a game on free play that just constantly saves the game.
    77:36
    Yeah, that's just how I feel, man. All right. The price, what do you think about the price of this game? I mean, yeah, it's going for what people are buying it for. So I guess they're – They really are listed for $18,000. That's craziness. Crazy. Yeah, it's not worth that much, right? Not to me, for sure not. No. Now, I'd love to see this license used again because it's so great.
    77:57
    It's like – it's close to greatness except for like three different things. Like you change three things about it, this thing would be amazing. Yeah. So we all know George Gomez, he has been talking about the idea of remakes, and it's so cool, I love it that he's talking about remakes. And this is only Spike 1 game, so this will be the easiest system to remake for them, right? Sure, yeah. Yeah, it is, it is. I mean, don't go out and play 18,000 for this game, because someday a new premium 40th edition will come out, and it will be so much better. It is what it is, my friend. Oh, we're about, yeah. Next one, 37, Wizard of Oz, 2013.
    78:44
    Yeah. Doesn't it deserve number 39? Probably the most loaded JJP game ever. I love the trees and the pop bumpers, the little flying monkey when it was there that would take the ball up. When it was there? Yeah.
    78:58
    It's not a very macho theme, so it's hard to be like Manly Man and play in a game with ruby slipper flippers. Before we was born. So it's just too old of a theme. Don't go that much back. It's just price. I don't know. Are they expensive? I have no idea. I don't know. I have no interest. Yeah. The theme just kills it for me. Yeah. Okay. The last game on our top 20 list, number 40, is Spooky Rick and Morty. Wow. What a good showing for that game. This is a game that I owned. It's got some flaws, but, God, it's so funny. It's such a funny game. We were talking about now we can get spooky games. My bro who was like, we should get this Rick and Morty game. It's like, no way. We can't. I mean, they're limited to, what, 800 or something? 750.
    79:53
    Yeah, man. Yeah. Just make something, a 10-year anniversary something. Who cares, man? Put something. Remove the flying monkey or whatever.
    80:03
    make it all green green road rick and morty has a new show coming out and it's all anime styles so let's just let's revisit the theme and make a brand new game i've talked to spooky about this before because before i bought one i wanted them to remake it and they were firm they're never going to do it again because they promised everybody and whatever but they said that they wouldn't mind re-going back to the license and creating a new game and so i thought what about a rick and morty themed total nuclear annihilation i think that would be amazing that's cool it's a great theme already we're gonna blow this reactor come on hit the shot fill up the matrix oh geez man i don't get it you have you live so close to spooky you have this great relationship with those guys gonna be insider at them just right in the if i was you i would just hit up that knock on the door hey hey let me come inside come on man yeah yeah do it man i mean yeah they're great guys in there so that's our top 20 to 40 list and our next episode will take 40 to 60 yeah let's see how it goes but this one i hope everybody enjoyed it i hope everybody wants to buy some t-shirts right donnie yes i'm ready to ship them as soon as i get home this weekend i'll be home so yeah no no the weekend to come they'll be shipping soon and then i'll do i'll do another run of them if we get more orders let's see let's see let's see right now people are and we just hit we are over a month now so that's cool the listeners are the level are going up and up when we look at the statistics so that's cool so people are listening if they didn't we could but just just drop this we are pinball facebook group is this it's doing good so it's being used it's so cool so all in all we're pinball is just happiness we're enjoying everything that's happening except this haggis stuff that just but jeng is we're supposed to be we're supposed to be happy about everything in pinball why are we being real about haggis and everything else donnie i really don't get this because we are getting some hate um they hate us because they ain't us we're not gonna give direct we're not gonna curse back we're not i mean it's not our fault that we love pinball this much sorry yeah i mean i made a video with the stern 70th edition godzilla and people are writing on that video are you getting money from stern i wish and i'm like no but this is my favorite pinball machine in the world, and they just came up with a new edition. And Stern, if you guys are listening, I love the pro version of this game. Make a new version of the pro that's not black and white, but pimp up the pro with something. Come up with a second edition pro. We deserve it. This is a top-selling game still. And, of course, I'm happy. I'm engaged. I'm happy. I love this. It's my favorite. why not man why not haters gonna hate it is what this which is we like to play pinball right donny absolutely almost almost we play every week that i don't miss a week without i'm sometimes i'm like i need to play i need to flip yeah yeah every day so i still i still go to the pizza place and play pinball i just drove myself down to atlanta georgia to go to this expo it's gonna be awesome um and you're so lucky your family is you know okay with it they're joining their it's you're so lucky with that. I hope you are. Are you going live at the show? Absolutely. As soon as I see Godzilla 70th, yeah, I'll give some impressions. I can't wait. So shiny, I can't wait to see it. Join Donnie, Don's Pinball Podcast on Facebook also. Why not? Go and watch it live, man. It's going to be cool. It's going to be cool. I'm not going to be there. I'm going to sit and edit this video for hours.
    84:05
    Yeah. All right, Donnie. I hope you're happy. I hope you came up with everything. I hope the listeners are happy and I hope we will see them on our next show right Donnie? gonna keep bringing the content and the heat yes that was fun and the love and the pinball love and happiness we love this we do it because we love it we don't love anything I mean you just listen to what we think about Mandalorian and Batman 66 you're bringing me down you're bumming me out now but if you want JJP Guns N' Roses game to be pimped up, loved, and praised as the best game in the world, check out Canada's Pinball Podcast.
    84:49
    Peace. Let's get some outro music, buddy. Does this work for you? It's what I had in the pipe. Wop number seven is in the hole now. We are pinball69 at gmail.com. Get in on that action and jump on the Patreon forthwith to be coming soon. From Don and Genghis and the bottom of our greasy pinball hearts, we thank you for joining. Love you. Love you, buddy. Have a great day out there, everybody. Bye.