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INDISC 2023 Classics II Playoffs - Semifinals

IE Pinball·video·1h 20m·analyzed·Dec 6, 2023
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TL;DR

INDISC 2023 Classics II semifinals on Aladdin's Castle and Jack's Open with top-8 elite players competing.

Summary

INDISC 2023 Classics II tournament semifinals coverage featuring two groups of elite pinball players competing on classic EM machines. Group 1 played Aladdin's Castle with Keith Alwyn (top seed), Josh Sharp, Jack Tadman, and Daniele competing; Group 2 played Jack's Open with Jeff Chiolas, Johnny Pinball, Escher, and Andrew Foster. Commentary focuses on game strategy, shot selection, bonus mechanics, and player skill execution across five-ball EM ruleset.

Key Claims

  • Aladdin's Castle has a maximum bonus of 15 (not 19), which is unusual

    high confidence · Commentators confirmed this after earlier speculation, with Keith Alwyn hitting the max bonus on his first ball

  • Keith Alwyn is the top seed in his group and second highest seed overall is Josh Sharp at 8 points

    high confidence · Established during game selection discussion; Jack Tadman is 10th seed, Daniele is 30th seed

  • Best score of the day on Aladdin's Castle before this match was around 130,000 points

    medium confidence · Mentioned as top qualifying score reference during commentary

  • Jack's Open best score was 750 points on the day before playoff

    medium confidence · Piedmont confirmed this during Jack's Open game coverage

  • Hot dog game (Jack's Open) has a top score of 1 million points

    medium confidence · Commentators reference this as context for current scoring; pin monk may have been looking at wrong game initially

  • Keith Alwyn had 8 points going into the Pool Sharks round in the prior match

    high confidence · Discussed as context for game selection strategy decisions

  • Jeff Chiolas chose his game based on opponents' skill sets, selecting one with randomness/variance to counter players with stronger control and precision in his group

    high confidence · Jonathan Soon mentions 'I was talking to Jeff, right, which was driving his bus' and explains Jeff's strategic choice resulted in 8 points

  • EM games from this era typically don't award extra points for specials (credits only)

    medium confidence · Discussion about whether Aladdin's Castle special awarded points; commentators suggest most Bally EM settings are credit-based

  • The tournament structure requires top 2 scores across 3 games to advance to final four

    high confidence · Explicitly stated: 'first place does matter' and 'so that first place does matter. Yes. Getting that four point on the first game feels great.'

Notable Quotes

  • “Because he had going into the Pool Sharks round, he had eight points. So I don't think he would pick a game. We thought that it may be a strategic decision because Pool Shark was Paul Daniel's best game in there or something.”

    Jonathan Soon @ early match analysis — Explains game selection strategy in tournament context where seeds matter

  • “I was talking to Jeff, right, which was driving his bus. And his choice was based on who he was playing as well, right? Because he has a certain skill set in his group, there were people with maybe stronger control and precision, right? So he went for a game with a little bit of randomness, a little bit of variance, right? And he ended up with eight points.”

    Jonathan Soon @ Jeff Chiolas game selection discussion — Shows how elite players strategically select games based on competitive matchups

  • “Nudging is so important. Yeah, it advances the bonus.”

    German Mario / Paul Leslie @ during Keith Alwyn's play — Highlights key EM skill mechanic that separates elite from casual players

  • “I mean, can't be undervalued on EMs. Nudging is so important.”

    Commentary team @ Keith Alwyn's first ball — Emphasizes EM gameplay fundamentals

  • “This is one of those, yeah, I guess call it momentum games where you have a good ball one, you carry your momentum throughout all the balls, you know?”

    Jonathan Soon @ Jack's Open analysis — Explains why strong early performance matters in EM games with carry-over bonuses

  • “It's like the game where they flip the flipper so you don't forget to use them.”

    Commentary team @ Jack's Open rules discussion — Humorous observation about vintage EM design conventions

  • “Getting that four point on the first game feels great. It's so good. It's like I'm two-third of the way there.”

    Jonathan Soon @ after first game results — Shows psychological impact of strong first game in multi-game playoff format

Entities

Keith AlwynpersonJosh SharppersonJack TadmanpersonDaniele AcharipersonJeff ChiolaspersonJohnny PinballpersonEscherpersonAndrew FosterpersonPaul LesliepersonGerman MariopersonJonathan Soonperson

Signals

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    community_signal: INDISC 2023 tournament demonstrates strong community investment in EM machines with multi-game playoff formats and seeding structure, attracting elite players across geographic regions

    high · Tournament structure with 16 players (8 per group), seed-based standings, multiple games per match, live broadcast commentary from INDISC/IE Pinball

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Game selection strategy in EM tournaments heavily influenced by opponent skill sets; Jeff Chiolas deliberately chose Jack's Open for its randomness to counter precision-focused competitors

    high · Jonathan Soon explicitly states Jeff's decision was 'based on who he was playing as well... people with maybe stronger control and precision, right? So he went for a game with a little bit of randomness'

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    design_philosophy: EM game design philosophy emphasizes bonus momentum and carry-over mechanics; commentators note games are 'momentum games where you have a good ball one, you carry your momentum throughout'

    medium · Jonathan Soon: 'This is one of those, yeah, I guess call it momentum games where you have a good ball one, you carry your momentum throughout all the balls'

Transcript

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0:00
All right, hey, welcome back to the semifinals, the round of eight, as I like to call it. Once again, I'm Jonathan Soon from Pins and Pirates. German Mario from Seattle. Leslie Rockman from Bay Area.
0:20
And I think the top eight right now is Keith Alwyn, Josh Sharp, Jack Tadman, and Daniele. And the other group is Jeff Chiolas, Johnny Monica, Escher, and Andrew Foster.
0:32
Do we know who we're following yet? Good question. We followed the Keith group last round, so I don't know if it keeps continuing. We will see. It looks like the rig is over at, what's that game called? Paragon. No, Supersonic. That's right. It's from the Tiebreakers. It's probably going to get moved. It looks like they're picking their games. There's a bunch of people over there talking. I feel like Keith's going to be running out of pick by now. Yeah. He deferred, I think, for the Pool Sharks one, though. No, he picked it because he was player one. I was player one? Oh, you're right. Oh, he got out of the way, maybe. But, yeah, no, because he had going into the Pool Sharks round, he had eight points. So I don't think he would pick a game.
1:11
We thought that it may be a strategic decision because Pool Shark was Daniel's best game in qualifier. That could have, you know, tried to lean toward having Daniel move on instead of somebody else in his group. Got it. Sure. Okay. strategy matters game picks if he was locked in he could have picked first player just cause I mean there is what like 15 machines yeah so you're not going to get a repeat but there is quite a lot you don't want to right I don't think anyone's picking what's that game abracadabra oh abracadabra is fine I thought you were going to say like abracadabra sea ray or surfers what is that surfers game surfers is a little more random yes The belly surfer, right? Not the surfer got the... Yeah, yeah. It's the one with the... Yeah. That one would be awesome. This is the different one. I think these players typically would want to pick something that they can control. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. They can control the outcome. Yeah. Not like RNG.

“That's easily the number two qualifying score. Wow. If that's the stance that's going to put Jack in a very good position after second place in the first.”

Jonathan Soon @ after Daniele's Jack's Open performance — Shows how composite scoring across games shapes playoff positioning

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2:13
It was interesting, though, because I was talking to Jeff, right, which was driving his bus. And his choice was based on who he was playing as well, right? because he has a certain skill set. In his group, there were people with maybe stronger control and precision, right? So he went for a game with a little bit of randomness, a little bit of variance, right? And he ended up with eight points. Yeah, so it worked out. There you go. And this is Aladdin's Castle, right? Yeah, okay, two players. All right, so that's group number one again, Key's group, it seems.
2:43
So, Jermaine, what do you know about this? You know, I used to own Aladdin's Castle. It was, I think, one of my first EM. It's not too complicated from the left. Spinner up top. Each of the top lane likes the rollover up top on top of them. Once you roll over there. And then the one in the middle of the playfield as well. A certain combination of top lane give you a double bonus and other rewards that I do not remember which is which. It's the double bonus when we're ready for it. And then from the right side, you don't scissor yourself. Oh yeah, because you can go right there. And then the little U-turn is actually built up to up to 5,000 shots. So not negligible. And it can be either way, right? Yeah, either way. Cool, cool. All right. Going for the spinner.
3:28
Oh. I was going to say, usually you don't leave very long. But I was waiting for him to drain. So you look better. All right. Here comes Daniele. It is a fortunate start. Yeah, it's five balls. Plenty of time. All right. So, Daniele the Italian and Jack the Canadian, pretty international semi-final. Yeah.
3:49
Just looking at him testing out the flippers before he plunged, it looks like you can stage those flippers on the bottom. I think I saw the bottom one flip without the top. That's awesome.
4:00
All right, so now he's got the A, so the rollover on the left. He's lit. Obviously, he wants to go get another one. Now he's got the B. These ones, right? Yeah. And the one on top as well. Oh, yeah. It's just the light is out probably for the second one. And every elite one, advanced bonus. Okay.
4:18
That's okay. A little bit of progress. Yeah. And that's a two-player game, right? Yep. Which is interesting. Yep. Not sure why they went from one to two or four-player games. Maybe cheaper models back then? That's a great question. More room for the art on the back line. Yeah, clearly. That's right. Then player four would be the face of the gentleman on his butt, I guess. Yep. That would not be great. Here comes Josh. Josh just survived tiebreaker. Yeah on Super Sonic after tilting away I think was it 60, no yeah 60,000.
4:51
Just well-known IFPA president. Yeah that's right. Very animated players. Oh okay. Up and over. Oh boy.
5:02
Wow what a shake. Wow we're living. Amazing. Beautiful. Oh, no! Oh, wow. That was a great save, though. It really likes that right-hand play. Yeah. You know, the arrow is like, go there. Yeah, exactly. Score. Not extra fancy. Nice catch. And it's always tricky to know how much you can nudge, right? I mean, this game is based on quite a bit of bonus as well, so...
5:32
It would be pretty nice to see somebody get double bonus. bonus I'm pretty sure it's from the later on top I just don't know if you need all four of them or it has been a long time let me see if I can't but the rollovers up top correspond to the ones on the bottom yeah so like it's some of these though so these are green so you like them with the top lane yeah and then delight I mean it looks like it's rolling over those yeah and every time I think it's only when it's lit, right? Right. Okay. Lit one, advanced bonus by one. I see. You know, the switch works as well. Right. Yeah, I know. We saw that on Arena, I think. Sometimes the switch didn't always light the spinner on the right in lane.
6:18
I assume the max bonus here is 15. I think it's a weird not 19. It doesn't go like 19? Yeah. Okay. That's deceptive. Okay. Oh, there you go. Somebody, Dalton said A and B light spinner. Okay. ABCD double bonus. Thank you, Dalton. Okay, so that's spinner, and all four will be... Dalton does like his Valley EM, just like Old Chicago. Right, I know, right? Who doesn't like Old Chicago? Oh, wait.
6:48
All right, so balls goes quickly. Ball three, player two. Oh, okay, nice. Oh, nice. Spinner. Wow. Oh, nice drop catch from that top. Yep. Oh, but I mean, yeah, just take your 6,000 in bonus. It's fine. Maybe you get a Lazarus if you get lucky. Yeah. No saving that. And it's funny how back then on the center drain, it says collect bonus. Yeah. Like it's a good thing. You drain in the middle. You get your bonus.
7:18
Yeah. That is funny. You're right. All right. Let me see. I just need to pick up the pace. 15 after three ball is not great.
7:30
Oh, he's got his double bonus. Nice. Nice flop. C and D looks like. Yeah, so it's A, B for the spinner and C and D for. Okay, that would make sense. Not all four. Okay. That's much more reasonable. Dalton's 10 corrected.
7:47
All right, and C got two bonus advance as well. Nice. All right, that starts with paying out. Oh, there you go. A, B, C, D. Spinner lit for 100 spin. in ooh now the out lane arrows are lit yeah he has no progress on these Aladdin's alley it only it's only gonna score 500 right but he had what 10 or 11,000 yeah so yeah that's huge he heard you he picked up the pace right right so it's really going back up top you know getting some C and D's yeah it's really double money yeah maybe the spin oh was 1000 a spin yeah but I think I'm right Yeah, it's not great value.
8:28
Did either of you play this in Classics? Did not. I threw a practice ticket at it. Oh, it's a practice ticket. Okay. What did you think? I mean, I own the game. I know what it is. It's just I ended up with like 25, which was not good. Got it. As it happens, right? Yeah. But I've seen some 60, 70. I mean, I don't know what the top score was of the day, but some people were playing good games. So is Josh driving this bus?
8:57
That's a good question. He's the one. Yeah, let me look. So I'm assuming he picked? Keith is the top seed. Oh, you're right. So Keith. Because he ran out of picks. Yeah. Okay. Then Josh must be second highest seed. Josh is the second highest seed at eight.
9:13
Oh, that's a tilt. That's a tilt. Yep, he did. All right. Jack is 10th and Daniele is 30th. Yeah, I don't think he had tons of bonus, so, you know. 46, Daniele is 8,000 behind. No free double bonus for World 5, which is nice and fair, in my opinion. Yeah, let's say an old Chicago. Right. Which is not fair at all. 100%. Oh, that's not enough. Oh, by a smidge, 2,000.
9:39
Wow. Is that the pace? Are we putting the score on the player names? Perfect. Because we all have goldfish memory. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah, I see. There we go. Oopsies. I found the extra yep there we are so then is this special worth anything I would say 99% chance it is not yet that's what I figured EMs you're not gonna get points a credit yeah it's worth the most thing it's worth the most because it's potential yeah it's worth the most because it's a potential for another game where you do way better than you know you get a knock it's cool maybe a chime thing you can give it to somebody unless you walk out and be like yokes for this game yeah you know i think it's really going back up top hoping to get some of those top lanes especially cnd yeah some love from the pop bumpers i don't think i saw anyone shooting the um aladdin's alley yeah anyone shot that i don't think in 10 balls i don't think i've seen one i did not see anyone but so the top scores were like people put 100 on these like four hundred yeah but then again how many tries right exactly 300 how many tries I'm in you know those games have been played to you right for sure from 9 a.m. to 4 30 p.m. yeah seven and a half hours of non-stop all right starting our players three and four Jack Tadman leading off oh that's a cool t-shirt I like that so people that know Jack or Canadian friends I used to be based in Ontario that moved to the middle of the country I can't quite remember where that is in Canada but always check his phone to see you to look at a picture of his family before he plays and if that what private information I'm sorry but okay that's good that is yeah help is that means watching yeah all right yeah I think he was pushing for the CNDs there.
11:43
Pops, turn around the piece. Wow, it's fast. Yeah. Oh, there's an advanced bonus stand-ups there. Okay. This dangerous stand-up. I never actually want to hit. It's like a brick benefit. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's a bonus to that 4,000. Five. Oh, alley. There we go. It went up to Aladdin's alley. I think it increased the bonus as well. It went to 6,000, I'm pretty sure. Really? Wow. so points plus bonus advance
12:14
nice keep it out of danger all right ball on flipper yeah at rest sorry ball flipper at rest that's the key Oh see double bonus got it I was gonna get the his bonuses okay 12,000 now Wow 24,000 in bonus huge huge ball one wow 30 right is that like half of Daniel is scoring one bowl yeah more yeah here's the goat number one seed t-shirt as well I do like a t-shirt that Deadpool always like the best wears very strong so far today I mean he's put massive scores A. And the C. Wow.
13:14
And the B. Oh, my God. That's the issue of special. Yeah. His bonus is already at five. Wow. And he has a spinner. Oh, look at that.
13:28
Dead bounce. Nice. All right. Let's see the spinner. Got it. Yeah, the 100 of spin doesn't make a big difference, right? Yeah, but this double bonus will make a difference. Boom. Bumps it over perfectly. The power of nudging.
13:52
Nice. Oh, I like that. Upper flipper assist. Oh, look at that. Nudge to get it off the wall. Very nice.
13:59
I mean, can't be undervalued on EMs. Nudging is so important. Yeah, it advances the bonus. We may be able to see Max's bonus. I feel like it's 15, but maybe he goes to 19.
14:13
Let's see if he gets any more after this. That's odd if it stops at 15. It really is odd. I know. It definitely stopped at 15. Yeah, because he went over the lanes. All right. Max, double bonus. Wow. I remember it being weird. That is super weird. years ago but I'm like 15 believe number they run out of space on the real yeah that's what I was thinking well he's at 45 so his ball one was art is already guaranteed second right two players are like yeah okay does it battle between them
14:53
yeah I mean one good ball doesn't guarantee the rest but it does put you a good position as we see I don't think we've seen a left out lane drain yet though right it can happen there is an arrow there too yep the saying is with EM you have five balls so two house balls yeah yeah that's fair no I agree
15:28
Very nice. What a tip over. Nice. And that reminds you of what he did at Pimberg on Harlem Club Trotter. He was staging with the upper flipper and saving the ball just like that.
15:43
All these nudges are so, like, calm and collective. I know. It makes it look so easy, but it is not. It's one of those, like, 10,000 or 100,000 hours of, oh, very nice in-ball. Oh, nice in-lane.
15:58
he's got the alley at two southern already yep what did you say was the best go of the day a hundred and there was a hundred and something 130 was the best school that is 25,000 plus average yeah except by a local player
16:28
All right, ball three. Oh. Just caught the tip of that flipper. The yips are interesting because the ball are usually pretty slow, but sometimes you get yourself into a quick defensive situation where the ball just bounces back and it's like, oh. Yeah. Got to be awake. Yeah.
16:56
All right, get in that alley action. 3,000 is lit now. Oh, nice. Will we get the odd 5,000? Maybe a special? Yes. Oh, yes, a special. I want to see the special. He's going for it. Oh! So you really want to go left to right, right? Yeah, I would agree. The right side is definitely tighter. Yeah. Because it has this and this. Whereas the other one, there's nothing over here. So it's definitely... Plus, if you shoot it too late, you do get that. That means bonus stand-up. That's true. that's right over here yeah the brick special yep
17:34
all right so pretty much uh first and second duel right here for who's going to pretty much i mean left player one into in the dust right now so yeah
17:45
whoa okay great patience wow he's with the lead yeah walk that walk away by about nine thousand after three ball
17:58
well first game of three right still playing three games still playing three games or two one zero scoring top to move on to the final four so that first place does matter yes getting that four point on the first game feels great it's so good it's like I'm two-third of the way there yeah Jack Wow, those pots seem juiced. I was like, what is this, an EM? Very lively.
18:34
Oh, no. Wow, what a great save. Don't get too cute, right? He's trying to send it back up top. What do you do here? I'm shooting the alley. Yeah. I mean, you could try to, like, alley pass. Oh, wow. Wow. Did you have bounce off the metal rail? I think so. We need a replay there if we can. Do you think it bounced off his nub? Let's see what happened. I feel like it did.
19:00
Let's see. Don't blink. It's coming. Yes! Oh my god. Wow, you have good eyes. That was awesome. These metal rails are to protect from bang bags, right? Or like from, Yeah. Or coming back from the apron. But in this case, I could really save this. This time I helped him. I don't think I've ever seen that.
19:22
Keys, quick ball. All right, this is ball five, right? Wow. It's a one ball game, basically. Here we go. 65, 67.
19:36
Well, just rinse and repeat. Yeah, exactly. Stay alive. Clearly. Go back up top. Get some lanes. That's all you got to do.
19:46
All right, who will get the most bonus here? Oh, good. Good nudge out. That could have been a quick ball. Tilt. No. Oh, that was? Yeah. Heartbreaking. Wow that must have been swinging from his first bump because he didn look that heavy All right keep the punch off Yeah Wow He did not pick the game He was player four, but he still won four balls. Okay. The goat is in good form tonight.
20:18
We are sponsored. I was going to say that. No, it's a sponsor. It's an official sponsor. It's fine. Very nice. Liquid death. All your water needs. It is very good. Last year was the first year I think they had them as a sponsor. Yes. And I took the selfie for my wife and showed her I was drinking a beer because I do not drink alcohol. So that was a good joke. Yeah. I asked it for about 10 seconds. You can also call it an energy drink because it has the same type of can, but also no caffeine. Just water. It's good. Everyone here really appreciates it. Yeah. It's amazing. We hopefully have enough for tomorrow. We'll see. I think we should have more. So what was the other group playing on? Did we even know? Oh, I'll look it up. Can we tell from here? Is there?
20:57
Let me see. The other group is playing on Jack's Open. Wow. Interesting EM choice this round. I know. Who picked that? And this was Jeff. Jeff, Johnny Escher, and Andrew. Ooh, interesting group as well. And Jeff was the bus driver. Or is the bus driver. I can tell from the choice. No, no. I mean, Jeff likes the EMs. He likes the EMs? All right. Yeah. I would never pick an EM. What?
21:20
I don't think I'd ever. Maybe I'd pick Jungle Princess. Trusty old Chicago. Yeah. I don't have to pick it. Not here. Because I'm always ending in a tiebreaker there, so it doesn't matter. I don't need to pick it. We're going to play it no matter what. I suffered that rule last month. Yes, you did. And that did not go my way. Yes.
21:36
That's the classic at the Captain's Arcade Show. It's a very fun game. I mean, I owned that game for a while as well. It's just, you know, like any game sometimes. You like owning the weird games. Yeah, you do. Well, I run a lot of tournaments, and I try to keep the lineup changing. That's good. So it's not the same like, yeah. Right, right. I got it. I don't keep them very long just because I don't have unlimited space. Don't trust me. Jim doesn't have unlimited space either. You'll see a lot of machines on locations in California with his little sticker. It's a P&S vending, I think. I forgot his company's name. Oh, is it? Yeah, like the bowling alley. The arena, I used to play in a bowling alley in San Dimas. The Revenge from Mars in Maine, that's from a bowling alley in San Dimas. He also has his new pin bar coming up, right? Yeah. Like a new building. Yeah. He has yeah the place in his backyard. Yes, it's like two floors Yeah, and that's like that's my motivation to make States this year because you get I think he's gonna I think
22:38
Interesting I was more interested in the IFP a next year. Oh, yeah, I was out to say Johnny told me that so yeah, I mean being on the west coast, right? I have not had the chance to do any a PA nearby last one in the US, Florida before that Torero which is not in the Americas right which is you know from Seattle is a bit of yeah drive and it is Germany the yeah okay that's quite far that's significant distance it'd be great but it's definitely like a week plus type trip and they have the EPC that we can before as well as large European and I think some of the farm event on hot dog in Wow yeah so what I know about this game is I want to spell hot dog in right the spell these look collect all the hot dog and letters? So the letters count towards your bonus. But what you really want to do is get the drop target there because that is the bonus multiplier, and I believe it carries over ball to ball. Oh, okay. Nice. It's a setting? Okay, not this one? Dang it. I think it's like Paragon, right? Most of the belly I don't think carries ball to ball. I could be wrong again. We'll find out. We'll find out because I'm sure that Keith is going to hit those, and we'll see on ball two. So, I mean, in this game, surviving is your primary focus. The three in-lane slash out-lane on the left side. It's the future spotlight. Dry and monster.
24:04
The ball always rolls. It likes to bounce. Yeah, it bounces on all the posts. Interesting choice. So, Keyes went for the spinner. A lot of people will try to tap pass to try to get the in-line drop targets. He must be trying for the K-Liter at the top, which slides the kicker on the right side.
24:27
It's like a little extra save in case it gets to that right. This thing? Wait, where's the kicker? Yeah. Oh, that. On the top. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, I got you. I think there's a little nail there. That's right. So it's possible it can get knocked back in. I think this one was like a staple, actually. I don't think it was a factory nail on this machine. So a lot of people also try to do a small post pass that roll up on your flipper and then backhand the drop target. These, right? Yes. So yeah, very future spies. Yes. You know, in Paragon, some people do that in Paragon. Yeah, that's right. Also, those are all valleys, right? Oops. That looked like trouble.
25:11
That was interesting. It looked like he was trying to do what you were saying, and then he quickly abandoned it and just shot the spinner. I mean, because that one drop target is 3x, right? Like, you'd think, you know, like, Paragon is nothing, then 2x. This one is 3x. From the get-go, I mean, obviously you need some letters for bonus to actually get any bonus multiplied, but it's such a big multiplier very quickly.
25:36
That's usually the main focus. And the first drop lights the spinner, right? Right. Just like Future Spy, okay.
25:44
In terms of the lighting spinners. And then after that, once you're done with the target, the saucer behind it has what? Extra ball and 25K. 25,000, yeah, nice. Pretty juicy. I mean, obviously, if you get good bonus, that's where most of the points is, but because you have to chase the bonus later around, it's pretty difficult.
26:05
Okay. No one's gotten the K yet. Yeah. Yeah, we probably won't see too much use of that upper oddly placed flipper. What is it supposed to hit? That? Oh, there's one. You can actually get the stand-up target with that as well. Like this? Yeah. Wow, that's the dream. But your recommendation on the street is never use the flipper. That's a good save. Ski jump over and... All racks. Very nice. I think he was looking for the tilt there. Yeah. That was close. And every letter is, I think, 2,000, I think, is what it says. It says 2,000. Each lit letter is 2,000. Does that count ski and fun or just the hot dog? Yes. No, no. Everything. Oh, another one. Very nice. Six letters is 12,000 times five, 60,000 in bonus. I also like how they wrote there's a flipper here, just so you know. Just in case you know. Did you know there's a flipper there? You know, it's like the game where they flip the flipper so you don't forget to use them. Yeah, exactly. All right. So that's 25,000. Wow. Or was that the EB for 50? It was the special, I think. I thought the arrow was lit. He hit down the 5x and he went all the way around.
27:15
Either way, it's a good bowl. Yeah, for sure. And again, both the later will carry over. Not sure about the bonus hex, but all of his base bonus But if he gets the 30, is this a super bonus thing here? That is super bonus, right? Because there is 15 later at 2,000. So when you get there.
27:29
Oh, straight in. 25, right there. Oh, very nice. Wow. And that spinner is not quite as bad as Future Spa's spinner, being so far to the side that it spins like three times. But it's pretty bad. Got it. It's not really where you get all the points.
27:52
Let's see. No. Wow. He got no bumps at all from that. And the special is just the credit, right? I don't think it gave him points. It should have. It should have? Okay. Most of those ballets are usually set for points. Okay. But that could depend on the settings. That's a fantastic start. Yeah, that's huge. Huge ball one. That's what you want to do. Exactly. 314, wow. And again, I would bet best score of the day maybe in the 500 or 600. Did he get to super? I don't think so. No, not super. I don't think so, no. 5X. You have to get all the letters for that, right? Yeah.
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Interesting. so we were talking about that that kicker lane in that that staple that uh that nail yeah we were saying if you shake it you may shake it away from the nail and not get the bounce right right so you may want to actually not shake it just straight to the saucer okay all right josh stepping up
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he's got one point from the first game so So looking to add here. Oh, boy. Oh, very nice. All those lanes are so deceiving. You're like, what are the chances? There's so much rubber. There's three times. Yeah. It's like arenas, right? Like you're sure it's going to go in, but it's just going to bounce to the outside. Too much rubber, yeah.
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You think he's trying to do the rolling backhand? All right, the best score on the table was 750. Thanks, Piedmont. All right, let's see. Let's see. There you go. He's got a little something on here. Oh, 3X. Awesome. All right, let's see what he's going to do. Nice catch. He's going to swear and breathe. Josh is like, I'm awesome. He's amazed himself. If you wonder why there is no voice mic for the players. Yeah. Oh, very nice. 4X.
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5X. 5 is the pop. Oh. Yeah, so it's, what is that? Something special? The arrow is lit. Yeah, it is special. okay just special I cannot read but yeah look like a S and a P yeah there you go Wow started at 20 right yeah I think very nice and then any other shot is you know 25 which is not bad but that's another 50 that's another 50 right there okay oh Oh, or was it? Plus all the letters. Yeah, plus all the letters. And 5X. All right, good ball for Josh as well. And that's the kind of game where if you don't have progress, it is rough, you know? I mean, at least Keith has quite a bit of letters, but I think Daniel had a pretty short ball one, so he'll be trying to catch up. This is one of those, yeah, I guess call it momentum games where you have a good ball one, you carry your momentum throughout all the balls. you know it's not always you know i mean and i believe keys had some bonus x and the yeah so yeah he has to hit the drops again okay so that's good 3x okay oh wow so the first score was 755 but the second score of the day was only 427 wow huge gap so anything around the 400 and that's that's good yeah this really is where the best scores come out yeah really really good you know like they don't try very hard for the qualifiers just okay
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and you can get spot later from the in lanes I believe at least two of it one on each side does spot a later which is useful if you are lucky enough to get the needy oh yeah like this yeah you want yeah the spot letters right Actually, the top score is a million Oh, yeah, hot dog in Adam at a million. Yeah, right. You're right. And the next floor is 630 Maybe pin monk was looking at the wrong game. Oh
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Daniele changes look yeah shirt. It looks more green than before. Yeah, I Like his costume changes. They're awesome. Oh, yeah That was not awesome. I think he had the upper flipper lifted up. He did. Yeah, it like bounced and like went that way The only thing you could use it for, maybe a drop catch? You know, like instead of a bounce like this, you could try to... But then do what? Flip it away? Or let it roll down? Oh, I see. You catch it. Like the ball's coming here, you catch it, and then... Oh, okay. You trap that here? This is a sling, right? Yeah. Okay, all right. I just want to make sure I just... It's like a half a sling. Yeah, okay. All right. I want to see that move. Yeah. You show us, Romain. We can ask Keys to do that. Yeah. All right. So now he's spelled all his key layer right on top. So I think every lane is 5,000. Yeah. Which is nice. So now you need the F and the Q. Wow, nice backhand. Which is a center drop target bank. And the O and the T.
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But first, bonus X, of course. Yep. Going for 5X here. Shoot. All right. Oh, there you go. You have the K, so that's a kicker, which collect bonus on top of saving your ball. And the bonus is multiplied, right? Yes.
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Full value. And now the kicker goes back down, right? So obviously you would have to go back up top.
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Post pass, little flick. Nice. Double post pass. Always nice. Got it. And that shot is pretty tight. I mean, they make it look easy, but it's not. Yeah, it is tough. Yeah, it's all the way in the back and very tight. I mean, it's not arena spinner tight, but it's pretty tight. Yeah, Derek mentioned the arena spinner as well. Oh, yeah.
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All right, so special for 50K and maybe thinking about letters or going back up top. Oh, nope. Here we go. Oh, there it is, 50. So we're at like 500 already.
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Wow. So this is pretty much a top five score right now currently in qualifying. And that's before his bonus. Right. Oh, oh, oh. 50,000. All right. So special for this and then. Wow. Just watch it count up. So he doesn't quite have 30,000. He must have 22,000, 510,000, something like that. Yeah. That's easily the number two qualifying score. Wow. If that's the stand that's going to put Jack in a very good position after second place in the first. Yeah. Where you want to be after two games. Right. If you can't have eight, yeah, I want six. That sounds good. That's second. I like that. Second, yeah. Plan B. be pretty sure we six you're guaranteed at least a tiebreaker that sounds right yeah I'm gonna believe it oh should we save the clip for later there we go Oh the Josh special it's like he was trying to draw catch it like you said yeah i don't know what that was it was too high for sure yeah i don't know what's too bad i don't know like the angle it wasn't yeah and again like which other game as a flipper yeah that's so weird i don't i can't think of anything like this that's just so random that's what's the problem with these white bodies valleys like they were playing too hard most of them right so he's with 262 chasing well Josh has 270 oh no there we go so I guess he got 3x so such a little distance to Josh for second place you know Daniel he has a massive yeah he has to climb pretty mount coming down there not a lot you know think of the K either right with the cake and collect bonus maybe 400k if you take it 5x but the spinner is not gonna get any many points I mean not that kind of right in terms of the gap yeah yeah yeah that's always the I find one of the hardest things about pinball is the what to do in some situations based on those the points not just the points are the other players but the points in the like actual group when you're in the final the strategy I mean yeah
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Strategy of the game is very interesting right as the game develops and Simple stems change. Oh, we got the K. There you go. Okay, so the kicker is up on the right side and He has no X. I mean if he anyway, there is no real way to shoot that that kicker But yeah, yeah wanted to if you want to wait until he has five eggs, right? He is making use of that upper Yeah, I mean he's catching on key 300,000 100,000 bonus in a collect. That's 200,000
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That's you know, he's just not There we go, we got the thing you know it no nuts They are like I would you know, like get it away from there or something as soon as it bounced to the left Yeah, sort of loose in lanes are yeah i got caught got caught watching yeah triple borg that's okay i know how that feels i get caught watching all the time well that was a better ball but it was right i mean there was a lot that he like you said it's like getting letters on what ball one is just huge because the momentum and the points carry jack at 13 out of 15 letters so a good 26 000 base bonus Oh, okay. There you go.
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Whipping away. All right, drop target. So he's just missing the U, the center, center bank. In fun, yeah. That would be an accidental hit, if anything. And the T, which is the bottom of the right side. This, yeah. Wow. And that's hoping none of the lights are dead. Right. Always a possibility on batteries. Mm-hmm. Ooh. Oh, he put a little bit on that.
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That's okay. I mean, that score is amazing. I think it's going to be okay. I'm quite happy with that. I mean, the first drop target, 3X, right? All of a sudden, he went from 26,000 bonus to 78. Boom, one drop. He's like, yeah. Okay, so Josh has guaranteed a point. We'd like to catch keep. Only less than 100, and he has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. He's got 10 letters? Okay. About. Yeah, about 9. Oh, that's what happened. Oh, my God. And he'll get housed out instead. Maybe he should have flipped this time. Yeah, I know. I was like, ironically, maybe. He was not going to flip.
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Wow. That was a weird bounce off that. That was super weird. It hit this, right? Somehow it like defied gravity and up and out. Yeah, it hit the top of the flipper. Like, is that what happened? It hit like here. That was really weird. So, unfortunately, that's another four space for Daniele, right? So, that's a zero. Yeah. So, that's pretty much it for him.
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Depending on the total of the rest. but I think Jack had six, as we said. Yes. Yeah, Jack and Keith. Six.
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Six? Six and six, you're right. Six and six. Six, six, zero. And two. Josh has two. Okay. The other group is on. So Josh can tie.
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Yeah, he could tie break with someone. Josh can tie if one of the six get a last. He wins and one of them lose. Yes, exactly. Josh is hoping to get a first, obviously. I mean, that's what you want, at least a chance. You want an out. You don't want to be, you know, mathematically limited. All right. So, I mean. And the other group was on Frontier. They're on Frontier. Right. Yeah, so Johnny is leading with four. Jeff Teolis with two. And Andrew Foster with one in terms of points in the group. Escher's got zero.
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Oh, Escher got zero on the EM, huh? Yeah, on Jack's Open. Frontier interesting I mean it was on stream earlier I think Yes it a very dangerous game but once you build up I saw the ball get stuck a lot Yes, on the left. On the big screen. Yes. It's unfortunate. I mean, Jim was walking on it earlier. There's just a way on the wood of the playfield, and that's just at that right spot where the guide is. Yeah. So the ball just sits there. That's why the tilt is not that sensitive, because the two can do it, right? Yeah. into the game every time. That'd be pretty evil. Yeah, that'd be a lot of work, actually. I mean, amazing to have so many games working so well throughout the weekend. Yeah. I mean, people don't understand. In Maine, most of the games stayed up almost all the time, I feel. I think so. I mean, classics. I have a lot of classic games. It's just so difficult, right? Those games are 40 years old. They don't get played three days in a row very often. Sometimes it will happen, right? Yeah. I think Bob sums it up. They're sort of like, when they designed those machines, they never thought they would be using, like they would be even played like 40 years from when they were made. They're just like, we're going to make some money, and then whatever happens, the machine happens. I think about five years shelf life, and then it's thrown into a dumpster. Yeah, these things will get recycled. Right, yeah, it'll be all right. Recycled was not an existing world back then. We'll replace them with newer games, is probably what they were thinking, that will earn more money. so the rig is moving it's moving we see the umbrella from here we are going to bow and arrow oh wow another em yes another em so would that be i wonder if he's deferred as well having six points and being in a stronger position
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yeah because the next round will be the final round josh would have been the picker Interesting. I wonder if that's the case. Jermaine, I finally GC'd your Star Wars. Oh, good job! I do a ranked game as well in Seattle, so hence the name of my company at the bottom. Awesome. But yes, one of my games is Star Wars, which we all know is a very difficult game. Stern Star Wars. Right, the center button game. The center button game. The number one one. Pretty much the one that started the whole thing. Yes, it really did. Like the crazy amount of center button. Yeah, you gotta hit the TIE fighters with the center button. You gotta hit the center button to unlock your multiplier shot and move it around and lock it in. Such an awesome mechanic.
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But I think it's an awesome mechanic and other people have other opinions. Jim Belsito has some strong opinions. Is he like Jeff Keolis doesn't like center button? Yes, he's anti-center button. He doesn't like to use it. Yeah, I know. That's what I said. You don't have to use it, but I'm gonna try to get my multiplier. Leave your multipliers on the dust shot. The hot shot or dust shot. Depending on what character you're playing. Yeah, exactly. Oh, wow. We're getting started.
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All right. So have you played this? Because I've heard that this may or may not be dangerous. I didn't play this today at all. Yes. So I have not played it, but I was there when somebody shot it. Yeah. When it was at full value. Rejected and went straight back down the middle. Wow. Which is a common feature on Bow and Arrow, but never fun. It's unfortunate. Okay. Well, let's see what the... Okay, went to a flipper. So if I remember right, spinner to raise the value, then collect?
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Yep. That sounds right. Is that a bally as well? I feel like it looks like a bally. Bow and arrow? Yeah, I can't tell anymore. I can't remember. Yeah, it's a bally. There's a sign right here. Oh, there you go. Yes, the flipper looks like a bally. Yeah, that kick out makes me nervous. Yeah, I think people will. At the edge of the wall here, like the plastic kind of goes out like at the very tip to help guide it. And I feel like I played it on Thursday. I feel like it was going towards the right flipper. And he's got his double bonus. He's got double bonus. How did you do that? Is it all these? Is it just these? A, B, C, D? Every time I see letters, I'm like, if you get all the letters that are green, that's obviously double bonus, right? You would think it would be something like that. That's my guess. It's A, B, C, D for double bonus. Chat, help me out.
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Chat or somebody. Someone will figure it out. Or watch someone else do it. And if you've seen Daniel, Daniel, it doesn't nudge much. He is sometime at all because most player would hit the left side as the ball is coming out. Yeah. Right. Right. Just to get more airspace. Yeah. You know, uh, then you're already very light on the,
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there you go. So spinner to get his value up. And then when the value is high enough, starting collect
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and see, Oh, Oh wow. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. That's super scary. Yeah. And the collect for 2,000, including the risk. I don't know about this. Oh, okay. Okay. Wow, he knew that one was okay.
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I don't know. You're right. It's dicey. All right, 6,000. Starting to be juicy. So you saw a lot of score in the 100,000, 150,000, right? I mean... In this? Okay. I would say 100,000 is a good score. Yeah. Maybe the top around the 150. Yeah, let me look.
45:15
Of course, it was in Key Splane, but... Right, right. Top score was Johnny, Monica, 190, and then Sanjay at 164. I watched Sanjay put up 164. Johnny, huh? How does he do it?
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Johnny's a local. Oh, tap pass. Wow. To get to the right. Wow. What a collect. Look at this. People do forget on EM, tap pass is often a decent option. Wow. Like you could tap pass on Aztec. Yes, that's right. We talked about that on stream. Last year they tapped pass on Argosy. Yes, that's right. Yes. I like those cat pass to dead bounce. Oh, yes. That was great.
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Wow, back up there. Look at this. Oh, there's the nudge. It seems to be a little nudge now. You know, he's trying to do it later and later to get the ball. Maybe it was a little less air.
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And now he's completely ignoring the rest of the game. the collect is not even maxed it's only at 7000 and he's not in there we're good because obviously the spinner would raise the value but then the ball would be out of control right we're here this kind of look like uh the carob situation or cheetah situation from earlier oh bounce out there you go so that's that's the risk and that's the yeah the reject doesn't have enough power straight down the middle. But 68,000 in one ball. That seems good. Considering the top scores are like 150 around that area. I mean, if he stays on pace, that's only 340,000 game. We'll see. It's an EM, though. Five balls, so as you say, probably get housed at least one or two. Yes.
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And this game does have 100,000 light just below the player number. But I don't think it has 200,000.
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We'll find out. Yeah. It's like a wizard with the 100,000. It's already here. Keith and Jack, six points. They just want a point, right? If either of them get one point, they're guaranteed to move on. They can't. At seven points and more, they can't be caught up. So basically, don't be last for them is what they're thinking.
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And Jack hopes. I'm sorry. Josh hopes one of them is last. Yeah, exactly. So would that change any of your strategies? Knowing that you don't want to be last? Would you just shoot the... That's an interesting question. Because it's an EM. It's such a simple game. I don't know what I would change on this. I mean, I probably wouldn't go for these double bonus things. I mean, it really just depends on what Josh does. That's true. You're right. And he's player four, so... I think the question is, when do you start collecting? How much points... Right. Where's your point? Is it like six or seven or two? Like, if you don't want to be last, Maybe you start listening at 4,000. Yeah, and you just trust that you can do it ten times. Yeah, that's true. That's a great point
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Maybe that's why Keith was predicting it. Yeah, maybe that's I think he just like shooting the shot That's true, all right Josh not like this Oh, not like that either! Oh my god. Dang. It's alright, that was just ball one. There's four more. Oh my god. Carl. Savage. He saved it! What a move! Look at that, boom! And then he forgets to flip. It's kind of like an alley pass, right? When you alley pass, you already want to raise that right flipper just in case you hit the slingshot. Yeah, yeah. this time. All right. And Daniel Lopucci has zero points, which is guaranteed not to move on, but
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you know, positioning matters, right? Yeah, he still wants as many as he can get. Yeah, I mean positioning matters for Whoppers as an example. Yes, we are all hungry for Whoppers. When I'm mathematically eliminated, I'm like, I still want first because I want a higher position than some people in other groups probably. Can do as good as fifth and as bad as eighth. Yeah, exactly that's that's a range with zero is pretty much guaranteed eighth so he wants more than that for sure and today over 200 players in classic yes it's going to be a nice good amount of points right and i believe this format is over 100 with the new 2020 i was about to mention that about 130 or something yep i think i tried to do the math but oh get the in lane
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he opened the gate that's by hitting the door there's a gate yeah he opened that up oh that's That's not the right side. Right.
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But yeah, so this thing strobes, and when you hit this, you get whatever value strobing, and you hit it at the right time when it was in the middle. Wait, what does that do? 300,000? That's it? 3,000, and then you get to plunge again. Wow. It's just like a... I feel like it's a gimmick. Yeah. I thought you would collect bonus or something. There is a switch in the shooter lane that... I mean, you get to plunge again. I don't know if you want to do that, though. Because you have to survive the pops. Right. And maybe get 3,000. Yeah. Oh, 5,000. Yeah. Well. If you plunge. Yeah, if you time it right. He's going for the left spinner.
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Those people are going to the right. Yeah, gate's open. Oh, wow. Okay, let's see. Okay, no nudge from Jack.
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Oh, that's trouble. Oh, yeah. Okay. Nothing like this little bounce of a slingshot that doesn't register. and you're like oh that's just gonna rainbow down the middle people don't like slingshot but non-faring slingshot that's the worst that's the worst than the firing suit 100 yeah he opened the gate he plunged the gate oh boy oh okay okay all right oh my god all right some fun and those robbers are on the flip are pretty bouncy right this red yeah paper robbers have known for being Oh, that was rough.
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You got to nudge. I mean, I don't know. People have been watching, but if you get the ball coming down like this, you got to slap it with the ball or something. Because, I mean, the kind of thing you know from watching, and not everybody does, and you play Josh, try to talk to Adam Lefkoff in the background there and watch the game, but sometimes you have to pick that up, right? Because every game is different. Right. And on this one, I can make sense.
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Very casual plush from Daniele. Yeah. You're like, meh. I have a zero. You have both three. Oh, I get a house ball. You get a house? Okay. All right, whatevs.
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And again, I mean, Daniele did great yesterday. Right. Yeah. That was huge. And he came a long way. I'm like, I would be jet lagged for a week, honestly. Well, Josh is rooting for him, too, because he doesn't want him to get lost that's true you're right
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all right 2000 all right let's see yep okay all right try to raise the so you like the right spinner on the left flipper i was surprised so jack was shooting the left yeah no i think this backhand is pretty good yeah yeah it feels for me when i play this game i actually try to do this right just like well i mean if i don't want to collect yeah that's how I do the backhand the spinners I feel more it feels more natural to me was it wasn't the woman bang it was in classics last year I believe as well right right just next to our Gacy yes I remember because I tried to play a prospector and there was a huge crowd that's the 5,000 it's huge all right Jack needs to rebound oh we try to rebound from his all right Josh coming up all right so Josh 22 behind Jack 31 and then the other one throw that out but you know Keith show once you get into the rhythm yep collect a lot oh boy oh boy oh yeah that's dangerous super dangerous we all saw it you already don't want to go sideways this game yeah I know for sure it's like this out lane that's why this double hope this is why these double bonus targets which I think is what they are we're probably not we're shooting for your dangerous yeah all right ball five they're what I'm sorry ball four player one. Alright, gets the collect. See what happens here. Okay. Nice.
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Nice drop catch. And we're back up there. Alright, he's just collecting now. He got some spinners on the way. That's great. Yeah.
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I don't know. I tried to maybe get one. Oh, this one went to the left flipper. Yeah, that was super weird. They've all been going to the tip of the right. Wow, wow. See, it's not consistent. now it's time to collect oh wow he went from four to seven yeah he hit the spinner just a little bit and then these in lanes advanced the bonus oh okay okay interesting yeah he did like uh i think it went like this oh all right so you got a couple from the spinner and one from the yeah because the spinner spin the little snake yeah and then when it rises to the top you get the yeah i like to do that all right so that's both for he went for more spinner so now we have a hundred yeah he did so we got that cute little 100,000 light yeah things they make bigger being yes and important but no it's tiny it is because I did it in the sand to fit it in this graphic don't you see this like graphic and on the back glass it's got a fit I'm like on Tommy where they just put it on this on the thing and no one notices sometimes I'm not Tommy sorry wizard right Tommy's in Maine was it the the belly one yeah the one over there all right mm well I think he's gonna try to get that little higher if you can I've never noticed the pops are actually ABCD yeah who knows is that makes a difference Yeah, no, they do because when you hit the A, like it lights the A one. Oh, okay, okay. For more, the pops will give you more and like, you know, it will light the D. So there'll be 3,000 when lit instead of whatever they give you when they're not lit. No, there cannot be 3,000 pop bumper. Oh, sorry. That's when it's lit. That's my bad. I mean, it's in the pop all day. No, it'll give you more points. But I'm saying like this, you get 3,000 initially when you hit it when lit. And it'll light the pop bumper for maybe instead of 10, you get 100. I don't know. Right, right. It's either that. It's nothing great. because I've never three times at the pop no that's my bad you're right there that's my bad why I'm see if you're awake I'm not Josh is not too away yes I also noticed I just did a decent advanced bonus up here so baby yeah I hope all right ball five Daniel a in a slight lead which you know finishing up with a win would be nice so was that way to finish the round that doesn't go your way back in for him back in yeah you haven't seen any of the double bunnies right just that one that was it that was it yep Oh, nice. Wow, nice tap. Wow. That was great. He's going for style point. Just like his T-shirt. Yeah.
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All right, 5,000. All right, 120. We may get to see that 200,000 lights exist. Commodators curse. They can't hear me. Yeah, yeah. Just point it out.
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All right, he's pretty relaxed, pretty much. Yeah, he's pretty set. pretty pretty good position nothing's guaranteed at this point all right so yes he's got his hundred light
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1000 I wanted some I want to see somebody get that gate just for the 3000 yeah come on Keith gate shoot the gate on purpose you know he likes trolling oh double bunnies yeah he got these all these all unlit nice how did you actually shoot for the last one I wonder that's what we were shooting for hmm did you miss this video 10,000 point difference yeah Jack doesn't want to be last he wants to put some distance distance with Josh was that mm that was mm still means Josh would have to win but you know first if he's not last Boom.
58:35
Oh, yeah. 5,000. Woof. The right side. Got the C&D. You really want to get more bonus here. Yeah, for sure.
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Haven't built bonus yet. 1,000. Oh, my God. The PD 1,000. Yeah. It's not at 1, right? It starts at 1, yeah. Oh, gosh.
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All right, 70,000. I mean, if Josh made it all the way back to 133, then that would be a tiebreaker, right? Yeah, that's right. That's a long way from Mr. Sharp.
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Come on, Mr. President. He's going to want, I was going to say, he's going to want to get that bonus. Yeah. he found the team yeah that's unfortunate well I mean I guess we're all right well let's see Keith and Jack right yeah that run was pretty fast you know they don't play a care hop or cheetah cheetah for a long time right so graduation to Keith and Jack yeah we go strong showing they have three players tied at four points right now. No way. And they're on stars. Yeah. Ooh, OK. Oh, that's on game three, you mean? I wonder whose pick that was 4 yeah It Jeff Jeff Johnny and Escher all have four So Johnny got a last on the tour he got a last on Hot Dog sorry Frontier Frontier and Escher won Frontier yeah Escher put up 2.2 million you know Escher was just saying they have a star at the house ok and he likes stars and this is a 5 ball stars as it should be ok in most cases yeah I swear the last time it's nice when it's 5 was it 5 last time it was here in Classics? I don't remember. Last year it was here in Classics. I don't remember if it was 3 or 5, though. That's a good question, but I mean... I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember either. I haven't even played it on my card multiple times. Most tournaments say if it's a Solid State game, go 3-0. 3, right, yeah. This one is special. But I mean, Stars is really an EM. It's Solid State display. It's masquerading as... It has chimes inside, right? Yeah, it has chimes. It does. That's the trivia for that. It's like a Nitro Ground Shaker. Yeah, you're right. One of those very, very early Solid State. We're going to see some stars. We're going to see this. I cannot believe Star was slower than 20 balls of Bonne Hour.
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Really? They might have started later, too. Yeah, because Frontier, Escher put up 2.2 million on Frontier. So maybe that's why. That would make sense. I cannot see how that's possible. And Escher was player three, so he played all three of his balls. Right. So they were group one. We followed them while they were finishing Frontier. Yeah. That makes sense. And I hear stars. I see Johnny doing stuff. I think it's Johnny. See some chime? Yeah. I mean, hear some chime? Yeah.
61:40
That stuff's pretty nice. I mean, that spinner on the right side. This one. Yeah. Juiced. Welcome to Southern California.
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All right. Both two player four. Got double bonus. All right. Ooh, player one is crushing. Jeff. Wow.
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Andrew is not much. Escher 75 and Johnny 41. Okay. So it's looking better for... Oh, nice. Off the post. Yeah, that happened to me twice. Oh, no, not twice in a row. It's tricky, right? Again. This, sometimes the return here is like... And you know, that post is very important. You know, the rubber is on. You have to play with it. You have to move the game, nudge the game to get the good bounce on the post sometimes.
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All right. Andrew Foster from the UK. Top UK player, I believe. only one star lead on the right spinner at this point but it can be big on this game one set of bank one set of drop tag it gives you two acts yeah these drop targets yeah only needs one more for the far left one that's right only two thousand bonus at this point but yeah maybe not quite worth going for yet though for now he leads less spinner for 400 plus 200 oh that's a good one it sounds so great too and he has that advanced bonus at the top which is always good you know when you shoot the spinner and get that deal all over for advanced bonus which did not turn oh wow that dead bounce was weak yeah spinner yeah there you go he got the Elaine for three advanced bonus Oh outline for three advanced but that's not gonna oh sure I get the free drop targets sometime yes Wow but also means one drop topic closer to the 2x right yeah and here I already wants to I guess it doesn't matter Andrew is on two points at this point but like if it shows not last if you pass the Android being pretty cheap not the fly very nice there you go 86,000 is not letting the stars a little late and you see here a sure was saying earlier that it he flips a lot more now it is on stars right a lot less dead down yeah not less trying to control you know just just keep the ball away from that big gap the counseling shot right 8,000 bonus as well. Oh, nice center post. And nice spinner. Trusted it. Look at that spinner. I mean, for a start, it's a very good spinner because usually those... Ah, too quick. The earlier stern doesn't spin as well as the later stern. Yeah.
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I don't know. I feel like in SoCal, all our spinners are generally pretty juiced, especially at tournaments. I don't know if that's a thing. That's probably a thing. That's very nice. I'm pretty sure it's because Jay's here. I have my opinion on this. I feel like on some games, if the spinner are too good, it unbalances the game. Like Deadpool or something? Or Meteor. Like Meteor, right? Oh, yeah. In Meteor, there's more to the game than just the spinner. Right, you want the rockets and the drop cards. If the spinner is so good, then there's nothing else, right? A little unbalanced. To everyone their own, but sometimes, you know, or like Johnny Mnemonic, right? We have the Papa Johnny Mnemonic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The spinner was old and rusted, so the billion spinner wasn't as much of a thing. All right. Speaking of Johnnies, here we go. Here is a Johnny Modica, the plague.
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Oh, okay. Oh, wow, nice pass over. So Johnny, he also has four points, so he wants to be either player one or player three, which means he needs at least 150.
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Not my place. Yeah. That often happens, right? You try to get that spinner, you get a little late, you hit this guy, and it's either the out lane or back down. But hey, you at least score a star. I mean, it's five balls. Yeah, that's true. It's five balls. You're right. But they'll have two more balls. I mean, it's possible to have a big ball of stars. Oh, yeah. You don't want to fall too far behind. But Kelly Jeff had 200 and something thousand in two or three balls.
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Andrew, the Brit. Gets the star target up there. That's nice. That's always nice, right? Yeah, it feels really good when you plunge that. Two stars. Boom. So the more stars on the spinner the more points so 200 a star, right? Yeah. Oh very nice Now there's three that's why you don't want to get too cute down there. I like just just flip it away. Yeah
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Everybody wants to trap to get a good speed hurry, but I like your plan. I like you and Escher's plan I'm gonna try this more on example stars Make your suggestion and I'm a very control player like very control player, but in styles. It's just not a good
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I mean, you know like to an extent Hey, he got double bonus though, right before he trained, so some points. That's pretty good. He had what, 6,000-7,000 bonus, so time two. I mean the spinner is so juiced and bonus is not as big, but if your bonus value goes up quick, and you don't have a lot of stars, go for this bonus X, right? And the first one is only three drop targets. The second one you need both bank to get to 3X, which is a little more work. Okay, two stars on the spinner. Yeah, the top star on the bottom right.
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Just weird geometry on that game. Oh nice, wow. There you go. Boom! Yeah, he nicked the post a little bit on the left there. That's trouble. Nice. Wow. So, special has to be worth something, right? It's set to points, right? It's like 500,000? Yeah, that's a significant amount, isn't it? Yeah, so special, after you get all five stars, one of the stars is lit for special, and it roams around the playfield based on switch hits, right? Oh, okay. And on most setups, it's unlimited. Oh, so you keep collecting it? Right, 500,000, you could go as long as you can. Wow. It can't be 500,000, that's too much. 50,000. 50,000, yeah, I was like, I don't know, I was trying to think.
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All right. Or 100,000, thank you, which is a lot of points. Yay, that's still a lot of points, yeah. All right, Johnny here. when I stay close to player one and three as much as possible. That's three in a row. He's late on the finish shot. Yeah, I was going to say that star is lit, Johnny. You don't need to eat it four times. It doesn't stack. It doesn't transfer to the other star. Oh, very nice bounce. Oh, now it's early. Early. Okay, calibrate. Here we go. Johnny. Boom. There he is. All right. He nicked a bit of the post. At least we got there. He's got, what, three stars? Okay, he's missing two at the top. Yeah, this one, right? And the one on the right side is impossible to improve. right that's double bonus 14 in the bank time to the modica nice spinner wow now we really and the spinner huge and you totally on purpose he was waiting for it yeah how Johnny Monica boom there you go all right so continue spinner yeah of course but all those stars 800 point of spin it's not worse risking to try to aim for the stars double bonus to very nice great Lazarus very nice you get that it's a Lazarus into a post pass to the spinner yeah yeah the combo it was a good yeah it was good yes the Johnny special did he cut back wow Yeah, he caught Jeff. Yeah. So all of a sudden, Escher was in good shape, and now he's the one trailing. Yeah. And that's goal five. That's the last one. Oh. Nice.
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All right. So obviously, they want to put as many points as possible. Oh. Nice bump off the very tip.
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5,000 here. Maybe the 2X. Ooh. Yeah. So he's got the left spinner lead for 600 as well. OK. there you go to X no no I need doesn't get the bonus on the outling huh oh yeah cuz I wasn't late yeah I'll tennis yeah right right I never get the right one but that's 20,000 from bonus no 269 and I was gonna say let's not forget Andrew if Andrew get a four equal to six right which means yeah it'll be guaranteed a tiebreaker at worst no it actually be guaranteed to move on because it be a little because oh right he move on cuz two people move on yeah this isn't the final four already this is the top eight yeah yeah right right right six you just need to move on right Andrew can come back from here and take it home yeah and we just saw Johnny just takes one ball and that spinner right there on the right ready to go oh got it all right here we go Let's see it. Does he have the spin off dial though? Yes. He does. Nice and late. Wow.
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Oh yeah. Addy pass. Come on. You can do it. I love Addy pass. 800 point of spinner. He's going for double bonus. I don't know. I mean. You're saying because. 800 point of spinner on the right side. spinner is there's a lot of stars on that spinner go eat it out but there's rubber on both posts so
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his bonus isn't yeah yeah big enough to like risk it right now all right here we go spinner that's on the left flipper what is that 177 boom let's see how much that is 200 plus That's over 30,000. Oh, very nice.
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That was about 35,000. Okay. Boo! Key jump to rip. Andrew, very strong. Very strong player. He's nailing that spinner. He's passed Jeff with bonus. Yep, yep. Andrew needs to go for the win, right? Oh, you're right. He needs tons of points. Oh, special is lit! Special was lit! Oh my god, what's it on the yeah, it wasn't the top right? Yeah
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I'm 288. I mean he has 20,000 on Johnny and you know both can go quick But all right a sure needs to pass Jeff here guarantee himself a spot
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That bounce Potentially he needs to pass Jeff to stuff things stuff okay one star no bonus what do you do here when you alley pass what he's will drink let's Peter for 200 a pop and he got no style right the good idea of going back up top is you could get the stars right and maybe that bonus advance as well even if it's a little roll over here right yeah yeah I missed any miss No stars. Man, no luck here. Yeah. Trap? Nope, on the five.
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He's got two drop target down for 600 point mess spinner. Come on, give him a star. He's been up there like five times. Okay, there we go. He got one. And he got some bonus advance. Another one here.
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Okay. All right, 210, 212. Bonus yet Wow I mean you could have just trap that one. Oh no, not enough
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And he has some choice for the machine, yeah, I know I mean this is a very solid game of stars all player right I love 200. Yeah, and that is Very great. All right, Johnny. All right So Johnny needs to pass Jeff. And he's good, which he does. And if you pass Andrew, then Andrew is done.
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And Andrew is done. That is that. Good job, Johnny. Wow. Johnny and Jeff. Wow. Johnny was at, what, 200,000 balls? Yeah, four, I think. That was amazing.
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And Monica has some kind of voodoo going on sometimes. You don't know how. I mean, you guys play easy ball. No, no. I play with Johnny a lot. Wait, wait, wait. Jeff, Johnny, Keith, and Jack. Lots of J's. Wow. J's and K's. J's against Keith. Yeah, J's against him. J and K next to each other. Three jokers against one king? I don't know.
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Well, impressive for sure. And Keith has still the top seed. Yes, he's still the top seed. He's the number one seed. But he's used most of his picks. We believe so. I'm pretty sure he picked Arena and he picked something.
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Alright. So we're going to sign off and we'll see. Stay here and then the final four are coming up basically. Thank you everybody. Thanks. Let's see the final four after this. Yep.
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