it doesn't Yeah. So no but maybe yes. So no but maybe yes. The best kind of answer The best kind of answer probably an easier one too might be a probably an easier one too might be a strikes tournament. Um, I find the problem with strikes tournaments though is like if if somebody's coming a long ways, you know, you you get, let's say you do a three strike, you have uh you get you play three games, you lose three games, you're done. You're done. Yeah. So, for those who You're done. Yeah. So, for those who don't know, for strikes tournament, you play uh one you play two two players, one-on-one, and if you lose on the game, you just you get a strike. And who as soon as you recruit three strikes, you are no longer in the tournament. So, it's kind of like if you get paired up with like three Carls back to back, you're pretty much done for the day. You're done. You're done. Yeah. Carl D'Angelo is going to probably Yeah. Carl D'Angelo is going to probably beat you. Yeah. He's going to hand you your ass. Yeah. He's going to hand you your ass. He'll be nice about it, but I I think those tournaments are nice. I I think those tournaments are nice. Like, if you have a limited amount of time and like you're just like, I want to get these people out of my house. Yeah. Strikes tournament. Strikes is good. And I think speed is a Strikes is good. And I think speed is a good, you know, you should pick a tournament format that doesn't burn people out. Like people don't want to show up to their first tournament as an introduction to pinball and play 14 hours. It's 4 in the morning. They're like, "Why am I still at this person's house that I've never met before?" Like, yeah. So, um, yeah, probably not a good introduction yeah, probably not a good introduction to pinball. No. No. All right. So, we're running our No. No. All right. So, we're running our tournament now, and this is a good segue. Tracy has a pretty good question, which I had to read a few times to break it down, but I think I got it now. Tracy, tell me if this is right. So, you're broadcasting it, too. How do you make sure that you're streaming games that are both interesting to people, you're not just following, you know, ZMAC around, you know, you're trying to keep it uh interesting so that the people that you're recording both you have something to talk about when they're playing and also it gives everyone kind of a fair opportunity to be on stream if they want to. Yeah, that that's that's a hard question Yeah, that that's that's a hard question to ask cuz I'm all about hard questions. I'm all about hard questions. Yeah, that's all right. I mean, Yeah, that's all right. I mean, typically what I'll do is in the beginning of the tournament, I'll try to stay away from players like ZMAC, although he might get mixed in there. Um, just to basically because I know I'm going to probably be streaming him later, so try to get others involved. The the only caveat is some pe some people don't want to be on the stream. And that's that's a hard thing, you know, cuz a lot of times you don't know unless they physically come out and say to you, I do not want to be on the stream. How do you handle that? Are you like, How do you handle that? Are you like, we're trying to make pinball for everybody? You know, I used to be I used to be You know, I used to be I used to be worse at it. I guess I'd be like tough. No, I I guess I've been in situations before where I didn't want to be on the stream and you know because I was nervous and if you're going to play in a highle tournament, you just kind of got to get over it. Um Um you make them sign Fox City's paperwork you make them sign Fox City's paperwork before they get on stream. H. No, but usually usually like uh at Entarium it it'll say like people probably don't read it, but in the rules it'll say like you know you're if if you're you're basically committing to be on the stream if you're signing up for this tournament. Um but but even though it says that, it's like but even though it says that, it's like you can't force somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I I've we've literally had Yeah. I mean I I've we've literally had people like have physical meltdowns. Um, and obviously I'm not going to name any names or anything, but uh it, you know, you don't want to see that either. So like if it's going to cause somebody mental distress, we don't want that. But at the same we don't want that. But at the same time, so don't put the rig on their game, so don't put the rig on their game, right? right? Yeah. So then, you know, you're trying Yeah. So then, you know, you're trying to not put them on on the stream and and but problem is what if that person makes the finals, you know, it's like, well, we can't stream finals. Yeah. At that point, you pretty much Yeah. At that point, you pretty much have to, right? right? Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, you're in finals Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, you're in finals and we need to show this to everybody, right? right? You know, You know, Nuclear Black says, "Witness protection Nuclear Black says, "Witness protection pinball." That's pretty funny. Yeah. I mean, and you know, somebody had Yeah. I mean, and you know, somebody had brought it to my attention like, you know, what if what if somebody's, you know, significant other was uh, you know, out to get them or something, you know, and was trying to stalk them. And I I think the way we came around that was uh we we just turned off the camera when the player was on and and the player was fine with that. So, but Okay. I you know I guess you So, but Okay. I you know I guess you know situations happen. You just gota you got to fly with it. And such a thing as pinball drama And such a thing as pinball drama chat chat is there pinball drama? Hell yeah. is there pinball drama? Hell yeah. There's drama drama everywhere in this There's drama drama everywhere in this uh there's probably drama in you know every facet of life. But u of course there is. Of course there u of course there is. Of course there is. I was I was being sarcastic a little I was I was being sarcastic a little bit. It's kind of hard not to avoid drama with pinball, which is weird because, you know, everybody gets into pinball, I think, for the most part, with the best intentions and just having a good time. Of course, it's it's supposed to be fun. Of course, it's it's supposed to be fun. Yes. You know, Yes. You know, thank you for saying that, Tom. thank you for saying that, Tom. Yeah. Yeah. Even in a tournament setting, you should Even in a tournament setting, you should be if you're not having fun and you're playing a tournament, you're either being too hard on yourself or you're playing a lot of Jurassic Park. And I'm sorry. I I'll be honest. I'm a good example. I I I'll be honest. I'm a good example. I mean, there are times where I have meltdowns. I have I'm like in like somebody just punched me in the gut cuz I just had a house ball, you know? I mean, it happens. We're if you're playing competitively, you know, most of us are taking it somewhat serious, you know? Sure. You know, so, uh, uh, taking it serious is okay, but taking it taking it serious is okay, but taking it where you're either hurting yourself or killing killing the vibe of people around you. I'm not going to go put my hand through a door. Let's let's just say that. Or or I'm not going to put my foot through a locked out or a a coin door, you know, is that that that's just uncalled for. But yeah, although I found out at Ace, if yeah, although I found out at Ace, if you hit the coin box a little bit, sometimes you can get free credits out of it. So, if you don't want to pay for your games at Onail, just give the coin box a bit of a bump. Pro tip, you tell Shane I gave you those Pro tip, you tell Shane I gave you those free games. He'll be he'll be stoked about that. He'll love that. He'll love that. Uh, do you think, so we're talking about people playing it. Do you think that people playing kind of feed off your energy? Like are you like are you do you pretty much have to provide a performance for the entire night to make sure that everybody is like having a good time? having a good time? God, I hope. God, I hope. I mean, but seriously, your I mean, but seriously, your responsibilities are go beyond just streaming, right? Like what do you think are the most unknown responsibilities for for running a for running a tournament? Uh, god for running a tournament. I mean, you do have to put on like a happy face the entire time. I I I really feel for like people like Eric Thorne at District 82. I mean I mean and he's very bubbly and welcoming and man I I I couldn't imagine like having to you know run a tournament, fix games, take out the garbage, find a time to eat while running a 15-hour tournament. I mean that's uh that I I I couldn't do that, you know. I I I physically do that. I do. I do with I physically do that. I do. I do with streaming. Streaming is fun for me though. Like it is I except when the internet goes down then it's not fun. But yeah, get you a 5G phone though at that yeah, get you a 5G phone though at that point, right? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. But no, I mean Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. But no, I mean it it's uh it's fun. I mean it and I want it to be fun for others, you know, but I doing the mobile streaming, I couldn't do it without everybody's help, you know, commentators and such. I mean, it's easy to move the rig around, but people that people that want to commentate. want to commentate. Sure. And you run a tournament at some Sure. And you run a tournament at some of the largest tournaments in the world. So, you've got people that are either other streamers or they're they've been in the scene for for super long. I mean Bowen as an example. I mean you've been doing it for decades. I remember watching him do commentary on Papa back in when Papa was at its own facility before the flood and before the all the other pinball drama that went down for that. U but it's nice to have it takes a U but it's nice to have it takes a village I guess is my point, right? Absolutely Absolutely 100%. So So you what do you do to handle malfunctions in a situation like that? Right. So we're we've framed we framed it, right? We found a friend tournament director tournament director as as the guy who's streaming. You know, as as the guy who's streaming. You know, it's kind of your tournament in our little hypothetical like tournament world that we've created, right? We've got our two friends, you know, we've got our streaming rig. We found a location to go to. We're streaming right now. We know which people not to stream and which people to stream because somebody's in the witness protection program, right? But now, you know, let's just say like, for example, what game should I pick to say is broken? I'm not I can't I can't do this. You have to pick a game for me. All right. Uh, what game breaks? All right. Uh, what game breaks? Uh, Uh, what game commonly breaks? Uh, oh, like, uh, I I'll use an American game. Hot Wheels. Hot Wheels. That's an excellent choice. Hot Wheels. That's an excellent choice. We'll just say we'll just say We'll just say we'll just say So, Hot Wheels stops working. What a So, Hot Wheels stops working. What a surprise. Uh, how do you handle it now? You're you're mid game, you're mid-stream. Like, how do you divert your duties to make sure that thing that you know the show must go on kind of thing? Yeah. I mean, when it comes to a game, I Yeah. I mean, when it comes to a game, I mean, it's more a tournament director's responsibility. So, kind of like that's not my hat. It's like I I guess I'm going with the players, the tournament director, and being like, "Hey, this game's not working." And either they're going to have a tech or themselves fix it or they're going to have to pick a new game. So, you know, it that's just that's just pinball. And I didn't mean to pick on Hot Wheels. I just I just know there's one on a location near me that like the lights never work. Well, everyone everyone in chat is Well, everyone everyone in chat is pointing out that Twilight Zone died at Papa. So, we could use Twilight Zone as an example, too. Yeah, that's a great example. So, Yeah, that's a great example. So, Twilight I'm talking to my Twilight Zone, which is right there. I I think it had multiple issues, too. I I think it had multiple issues, too. like uh like I I I remember like the right lane switch wasn't working right or there was something like that. It's usually the power ball detector uh It's usually the power ball detector uh like magnet wine that's always breaking on Twilight. It didn't have a physical power ball in It didn't have a physical power ball in it. It was just it was set to like recognize like I think it was like every odd time it went the gumball machine it was it would start Powerball Mania. start Powerball Mania. Schwank says his Twilight Twilight Zone Schwank says his Twilight Twilight Zone near him reboots. Well, that's probably the 5V. There's a a little thingy dingy you can get to help stabilize that or your capacitors are going pretty bad or your capacitors are going pretty bad or the rectifiers. Those are the three things you should check if your if you're WPC is rebooting. So, hope hopefully you have a good tech. So, hope hopefully you have a good tech. Otherwise, hopefully you have more games to play than Twilight's. So, and like the techs at uh like Papa were freaking amazing. Like they were I can't imagine how they couldn't be. I can't imagine how they couldn't be. That's like essentially the Olympics of of pinball kind of, right? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. All those big major Oh yeah. Oh yeah. All those big major events. How many pins is the minimum for hosting How many pins is the minimum for hosting a tournament? Let's let's assume that we're also the tournament director. Really depends on player. So like I Really depends on player. So like I guess if you're going to run a small like let's just say you have eight players, I'd say you probably want four games. Four games to at least make it fun. So that seems totally doable for a lot of that seems totally doable for a lot of small collectors, right? Yep. Yep. I think if you go to 16, you Yep. Yep. I think if you go to 16, you probably want to have six or eight, you know? So 16, you're going to have at least four player groups. So you want to you you want to have a good mix. I mean, most and most like pinball locations will have at least like eight games, I would say. You know, like the bigger ones. So your tournament wraps the bigger ones are going to have huge huge numbers. But well, it's funny you say that because well, it's funny you say that because one of the other questions I kind of skipped it, but because we we touched base on it, but what what are the challenges for tournament directors as these events get bigger? Because Papa and Pimber like I I guess I'll feed this as like a leading question here is that people that are playing with card purchases, right? Like can it can go a long time and people can burn a lot of cards. And of course, like you know, if you get lucky and blow up and have an amazing card, you're in to go. but somebody who's just having a bad day. How do you keep the concept of participating in it fair and be able to allow the people that want to play in it to play in it? Cuz there's only a limited number. How many people were in Papa this year as an example? I want to say like 270. I want to say like 270. So somewhere in the So a couple hundred, So somewhere in the So a couple hundred, right? But I'm sure that there were way more submissions for that, right? And there was a criteria in order to get in. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, I mean, how do you how do you Yeah. Um, I mean, how do you how do you keep people throwing cards at at the thing or are you asking like how do you keep people interested in it? The as the tournaments get larger, how The as the tournaments get larger, how do you keep it fair for the people that can participate in it as well as keep it like mindful of the time because tournaments can't go, you know, like it's people can only get up so early and go so late before it's like no longer fun, I guess. Sure. I mean, it's a hard question to Sure. I mean, it's a hard question to answer. Um, I mean with that that many players. The cool thing about Papa was is I mean it's it's kind of a cool thing kind of a not cool thing because of timing, but 72 people get in. So like I think right now that's the largest amount of players that actually make a finals. So I I think like for somebody like me it's like oh 72 players I can do that you know whereas like if I go to indisc and there's I think there was like 390 players or I think there was like 390 players or something crazy like that. Um that's a lot at the last that's a lot Um that's a lot at the last that's a lot and it was like top top 40 like that is a lot harder. like that is a lot harder. Yeah but you got a Carl at that point Yeah but you got a Carl at that point and he runs what is it Drains tournament manager so he's got his own play in it though. Yeah, he's cuz that just shows it takes Yeah, he's cuz that just shows it takes streaming. streaming. Exactly. It's a full-time scenario Exactly. It's a full-time scenario in order to do it. Um in order to do it. Um that's crazy. It's funny that you say, that's crazy. It's funny that you say, "Oh man, 72 people I can take care of that, man. If I had to do a tournament with like more than 30 people, it would be code brown. Let me tell you, that means I [ __ ] my pants." Yeah. So, I mean I guess if it just Yeah. So, I mean I guess if it just depends on I guess it it depends on the player. Like if you're a casual player, your your first tournament probably shouldn't be a major in my my view, but uh you know, maybe you're maybe you're like, I'm I'm really good at my home game, so I really want to try it. I I don't see anything wrong with that. But I mean, getting uh getting some tournament experience at like your local tournaments, your bar tournaments is I I think it's a good way to start. So, I I don't know necessarily think I would go to like a major tournament as like my first tournament, you know, kind of thing. For sure. For sure. But, But, um we touched base a little bit on um we touched base a little bit on certainly wouldn't run a card format as certainly wouldn't run a card format as like your first tournament. Yeah. Right. how to make yourself have Yeah. Right. how to make yourself have the worst headache possible unnecessarily. Um, Um, so for in terms of quantity of so for in terms of quantity of tournaments where we talked about this a little bit at the beginning, like how could manufacturers do better at helping people kind of like participate in tournaments and be involved in tournaments? Like is there anything like a company like I'll I'll say Stern because Stern's got the most initiative with Insider and Stern Army and all this. Stern is probably the best example because they just pump out games and you know um but I I think I think they Stern had the uh the heads up thing going and I really liked that cuz it it it reminded me of Carl's ping clash. So is very similar to that. So, in ping class, you had objectives to do. And I think I think trying to get the rules down on these modern machines, you really have to break things down for people as especially somebody who's not like us who's into who's really into pinball. So, if if if you know it, I'll take Jaws for instance. If if if I'm a person who's never played pinball, probably not going to know what I'm doing on Jaws when I first put a quarter in, you know? I mean, you can follow the flashing lights, but you're like, what what am I shooting at? And the paper card does not give enough And the paper card does not give enough info, right? We talked about that. Me personally, I know people will say Me personally, I know people will say that, but I I don't think so. I I think I think you need like an info. Like it would be cool if Stern had like actual videos of like somebody explaining just simple objectives like, "Hey, this is how you start multiball on this game." And then, you know, it could go through like the inserts and and and everything else. It has those preliminary videos that play on the on the screen, but they could take that and make a bigger video of it. Right. Right. Right. Like what you're saying. Right. Like what you're saying. Exactly. Ba basically like a tutorial, Exactly. Ba basically like a tutorial, you know, like that. That's that's how I feel. Like a basic tutorial video on the screen. You have the LCD right there. It's too bad Stern doesn't have like somebody that like came from streaming and like knows how to do like video and animation that could be like a resource to help be awesome if some of these videos be awesome if some of these videos do something like that do something like that or someone that also worked at Marco or someone that also worked at Marco that's used to doing like tech videos that could like probably team up and provide really good tutorials for people. They should hire people like that. Exactly. you know, hopefully. Uh I I Exactly. you know, hopefully. Uh I I mean, that would be an awesome thing for like Kyle and Jack to do together. I mean, hell, I would I would go down there and help. I mean, honestly, I would. I I mean, I understand it. It's another thing to add to the game. And I mean, let's be honest, on most of the games, they're they're behind on the code coming out as it is, you know. So, so you think that having you know. So, so you think that having rules education would be a step in the right direction for getting more people to be less afraid to participate in tournaments? I just want to make sure I understand because we were talking about how Stern could get more people into tournaments. tournaments. I think tournaments and pinball in I think tournaments and pinball in general. Sure. Sure. I mean, I I think both, you know, I I I I mean, I I think both, you know, I I I think I think you have to understand the rules, you know. I mean, we're not talking baseball here. No, for sure. You know, every game is No, for sure. You know, every game is different and and you know, yes, I think most of us who are pinball enthusiasts, we we can figure things out just by looking at the playfield and playing the game a few times. Whereas somebody else, right, where somebody else who's right, where somebody else who's maybe never played a pinball machine maybe never played a pinball machine before and they're putting a dollar in trying to figure it out, you know, right? right? It I mean, they have a QR code on Star It I mean, they have a QR code on Star Wars. I noticed on the new one and I don't remember there being a QR code to scan and I and I don't know what it does, but I'm wondering if what an easy opportunity for them to have like a a tutorial video built in that you just scan on your phone cuz everyone's got their phone at tournaments. You spend whatever a minute, minute and a half if they can compress it that quick to get like a crash course on how to play the game or right on Insider Connect. Now, they or right on Insider Connect. Now, they do have instructions on Insider Connect, but honestly, if you're you've never touched a pinball machine before, are you going to know to go to that and look up? It says shoot the orbits. Like, what is It says shoot the orbits. Like, what is an orbit for someone who's never played pinball before? Right. I mean, I think it would just be Right. I mean, I think it would just be cool like you have, you know. Okay, so they have those videos on there which which are awesome, but wouldn't it be cool if like while those videos are going, you actually have like the the insert flashing like this is where you shoot for this, you know, this is where you shoot for you know, this is where you shoot for that, you know, kind of thing. I, you know, I think the rules have just gotten so complicated from the B Williams days. I mean, would you agree with that, Jeeoff? Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, look at games like I don't know, pick any Papa Duke game or any like mid90s like I don't know, we'll take BSD, we'll take Dracula for example, right? Like the the mode stacking is fairly like unique at the time for that to try to get all your multiballs running at the same time, but scoring has gone from being kind of like a linear uh endeavor where you try to set up the best possible scenario and keep hitting that shot or whatever for points in an older '90s game. Whereas now, you know, look at Godzilla for example, where you could, you know, build up your destruction bonus and multipliers through many different paths where you could go to Planet X. Like you could really acquire points in bizarre abstract ways now almost when playing modern pins. Um, which is either I don't know if that's good or bad. Like there's something nice about a comfort zone game like u Denise's uh Total Total Nuclear Annihilation is a good example of a game that's like not over complicated in terms of a rule set but immediately entertaining and satisfying. Absolutely. Absolutely. 1,00% on that one. You know, it's very very easy to understand that game. you know, you're locking balls, you're hitting, you're hitting the It's easy to teach somebody who maybe doesn't know pinball, like, "Hey, just do this and do that. Send the ball up top and destroy Send the ball up top and destroy reactors." I think companies like Stern, JJP, I I think companies like Stern, JJP, I think for the most part, modern companies now are stuck trying to make games that are more innovative and more complicated than the previous game. And yeah, I mean it's it's more geared towards the the home environment, you know, right? And what they've acknowledged is right? And what they've acknowledged is like 70% now of the market, which is pretty big change than back in the 80s and 90s, I would imagine. I don't know what those numbers were, which don't get me wrong, that's what I which don't get me wrong, that's what I want. I I I love the deep rule sets. I'm not saying that, but you know, it's just more so how do we get new people involved? you know, h how are they going to understand what we understand? I don't envy any pinball manufacturer, I don't envy any pinball manufacturer, and this is very true of the new Star Wars, right? I didn't want to make this a Star Wars stream since I've already talked enough about that game over the past couple of days, but it is a good example of they're trying to make a game appease new people that want to get into pinball, but also have it be interesting and deep enough for veterans and people that love Star Wars. And you cannot make you're going to disappoint somebody no matter what. And if there's one thing pinball people love if there's one thing pinball people love to do, it's it's be disappointed and complain about it. So, true, true. true, true. Uh, El Roco says, "Hi, Tom. What a Uh, El Roco says, "Hi, Tom. What a treat." I agree, man. It is a treat. I'm glad you're here, dude. Thanks, Elco. It's good seeing you, Thanks, Elco. It's good seeing you, Papa. Uh, here's a good question uh or a good Uh, here's a good question uh or a good statement from a new a first time chatter old Macintosh. What's going on? And he says, "Some of these rules are too deep for him or her, not to be assumptions here, or deeper than I have the patience to learn. They want to play pinball and not learn some choose your own adventure book where I need to do events in the exact same sequence." So, you know, there's an example of someone who's would be frustrated by that and probably would like, you know, a game that's immediately accessible like the new Star Wars. But for someone who's spending 12 grand or something on a game that's going to be in their home for maybe a really long time that if it's too simple a game, you're going to get bored of it quick. And then, you know, was your money really well spent at that point? That's and that and that's the beauty of some and that and that's the beauty of some games like, you know, there's there's the easy stuff to do and then there's kind of the mediumish stuff and then there's the wizard mode stuff, you know. Um, and I think you got to have a good balance of that. And if it's if it's not understandable, at least the basics in the first, you know, the the first time you're plunging, then what are we really doing? What are we trying to accomplish? What game would you say is a great entry What game would you say is a great entry kind of like gateway drug to pinball? Something that is You're going to ask me that. You're going to ask me that. Um, Um, well, we kind of we derailed from the well, we kind of we derailed from the tournament stuff. We can go back there. I know. I I think I think something like I know. I I think I think something like Attack from Mars. Spider-Man. Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah. Uh like Spider-Man was the first game I Uh like Spider-Man was the first game I bought new in box and like I just I like couldn't stop playing it. I I loved it so much. But like the rules on that game are fairly easy to understand. Sure. Sure. You know, You know, you get your fun mode hacking and the you get your fun mode hacking and the doc shot super fun to hit. Yep. Yep. So I get it. And like like Attack from So I get it. And like like Attack from Mars, you you know you got to hit you know you got to hit the uh the saucer, you got to hit the bank down, hit the saucer. Easy to do. Easy enough to do everything. All the other shots are like three shots and then you can get total annihilation. So it's funny you said that right when So it's funny you said that right when Orbital Albert said TNA. Everybody is agreeing in chat that AFM is like the go-to game for for learning stuff. He also said the Beatles, which is basically Sea Witch with old spinny disc on it, right? Yeah, Beatles is like but but for right? Yeah, Beatles is like but but for me like Beatles Beatles is very easy to understand but it doesn't have it it didn't have longevity for me because it doesn't have that deeper stuff you know it's just kind of like you're so like but it's a good entrylevel game for somebody and a really fun layout but I mean it is and a really fun layout but I mean it is you know there you're seeing a game that was you know from the when was se like late 70s early 80s it's got to be system I guess it wasn't system 9 it's a stern game but regardless It's it's an early game, so you're getting that layout of an early game, which the problem with classics, in my opinion, is that you can frequently just master the shot that's needed, and then all of a sudden that game is now no longer as fun in your inventory as as say a game that has a lot more complicated shots and complicated rules. Um, but I I love like Iron Maiden, how you know I I love like Iron Maiden, how you know there there's like you you have your set of modes, but you also have this like side quest where you do you got to hit X number of ramps, switches, you know, orbits, etc. I I think when, you know, Keith and Co did that game, it was just brilliant. Yeah. and he carried that concept over Yeah. and he carried that concept over to to Jaws with, you know, capturing all the different sharks, which has so similar mechanic, even though that those are a lot more achievable since they're, you know, supposed to do it multiple times uh in a single session at least. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Um All right. So, we talked a little bit Um All right. So, we talked a little bit about how Stern could now I'm I'm reeling us back. That was a Jaws joke. Get it reeling. Sorry. Uh, you talked about that they Sorry. Uh, you talked about that they could make better tutorials to help people learn how to play the games better, right? How could how could Stern help connect people with tournaments or at least getting people more into playing pinball on location? Cuz I think people that buying a pinball machine is expensive. I don't know if you knew that pinball machines are not cheap. So, but you know what is cheap is putting a 50 cents or a dollar or more if your oper if your operator is a huge [ __ ] uh into a game and being able to experience it to enjoy pinball and or make a decision about buying a game in the future. So, how could Stern help make that happen better? Wizard Beard just said one ball one is Wizard Beard just said one ball one is your tutorial. It's not a bad idea. He comes from the Steve Richie get good He comes from the Steve Richie get good just play better kind of camp, right? Wizardbeard is probably Steve Richie in disguise right now. I know who you are, Wizardbeard. Like I said, like uh I I just think I Like I said, like uh I I just think I think the heads up was just such a good idea as far as like I said, when when Jurassic Park first came out, I was pretty lost on that game, honestly. Um I didn't know basic strategies. I still see people that play in tournaments don't know the basic strategies of that game. Um, and doing the ping clash is what actually helped me. You know, Carl had like a list of objectives. So, you know, that if somehow they can get that into the game somehow. I I got it. I got it. I I got it. I got it. What's that? What's that? They already have their achievements in They already have their achievements in there. There could be a set of tutorial achievements that you need to acquire when you get your game and they could be prompted front and center on on the screen when you log in with Insider Connect. Like, have you done the tutorial achievements yet? Yeah, that's a fantastic idea. I mean, Yeah, that's a fantastic idea. I mean, honestly. Yep. Yep. And then that way then you can learn how And then that way then you can learn how to start multiball or whatever. Obviously, that could be something Obviously, that could be something selective, you know. No, I don't want to do that. I'll I'll play the game. Or or you could like turn it off in the settings or something. But I'm not an achievement person. I can't I'm not an achievement person. I can't I can't stand achievements to be honest. I can't stand achievements to be honest. But I I respect that there's people out there that like to collect their badges and stuff like that. And uh you know, I do see the I see the logic behind having that system there. But hey, why not use it like you're saying to like kind of h you know, create a t tutorial level situation? Yeah. Like for me personally, the badges Yeah. Like for me personally, the badges really don't do anything for me. I mean, you know, they just pop up on I mean, you know, they just pop up on the screen and I'm like, "Oh, I did that. That's cool." That's cool." You know, You know, it's like when you play your first game it's like when you play your first game on a game that you've never played before and you have an incredible ball and then the person behind you is waiting 30 minutes for their achievements to stop. Yeah. There needs to be there should be a term There needs to be there should be a term for that when you like achievement bomb somebody or something. Maybe chat can come up with a good like term for a a pro player like bombing the hell out of a game the first time. Um, Um, but but like you were saying, I mean but but like you were saying, I mean that reminds me of like when I had like a Wii controller and it's like, okay, you got to do this to like do this on the game. Like this this is a punch. So like you had to you had to throw a punch in the beginning of a game and you know this is how you use the controller to like whip somebody. you know that that's kind of what I think is needed for pinball. If you want to truly get people that aren't enthusiasts into playing pinball, I think that would be a good start. But that's just me. When someone has a fun game, they love When someone has a fun game, they love pinball. Yes. Yes. And when they don't, they don't like And when they don't, they don't like pinball. Right. Right. So knowing what you're doing aligns So knowing what you're doing aligns perfectly with what you're saying. But are they actually physically understanding what they did? I mean, I've literally had people be like, "I don't know what I just did there, but that was awesome." You know, and and you're like, "Okay, well, I know what you did, but yeah, you did amazing, but you don't yeah, you did amazing, but you don't know what you did." Uh, we've got a we got a few good Uh, we've got a we got a few good suggestions. Uh, you could call them badge grab. That's a good term for it. Bad grab. Bad grab. Machine terminator. That's a That's Machine terminator. That's a That's pretty ominous, but sure. Flipronic says they're called tryhards. Ouch. I'm not sure about that. Um, okay. So, that's fantastic. Stern, if you're watching this, that would be great. It's not a mean criticism. It's just you have so many resources to make some better, you know, onlineing videos to help people get into it, you know. Yep. Yep. Please apply some of that. Please apply some of that. Um, I think that's pretty much all on my list here. I guess where where do you see Fox Cities growing in the next couple of years? I mean, now you've already streamed two of the biggest majors in the world. That's what else are you going in? That's what else are you going in? Hard to grow from here. We're going to Hard to grow from here. We're going to be uh I will be back at District 82 and I'll be doing the uh IFPA 21. So, that's really exciting. Awesome. Awesome. So, that's that's like the invitational. So, that's that's like the invitational. You got to get invited to it. And where is that going to be at Entarium? where is that going to be at Entarium? Where's the IP 21? That's going to be at district. Cool. That's going to be at district. Cool. That's going to be in June. That's going to be in June. So, So, there's a lot of good pinball coming up. Are you excited for Expo? Yeah. Be streaming that, too. Yeah. Be streaming that, too. Awesome. Awesome. Uh I would love to to Awesome. Awesome. Uh I would love to to say hi in person. I will be there. Uh it is my first expo. Everybody keeps telling me to go to the uh pinball Olympics. What is what is your suggestion to do for a first- timer at expo? I have never done Pinball Olympics, but and that's mainly because I'm streaming and I can't go to it, but if I was, I would definitely do that. Um, you've you've obviously done the Stern tour, right? I have the first time during the Star I have the first time during the Star Wars trip. It was That's a big ass building. Holy [ __ ] That's a big ass building. Holy [ __ ] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did a video of it. You can see Yeah. I did a video of it. You can see it on my YouTube. #selfplug. If I was going to Expo and never did the tour, I would definitely do the tour. You have to do the tour. Uh, and then it's just like meeting people, playing new games. Like, don't be afraid to talk to people. I mean, that that's that's the hardest thing. And, you know, I mean, if if you see me walking by, say hi. It's cool. You know, if I run past you, it's not because I'm being rude. It's because I either have to move the stream or I'm playing. So, um, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, just just go to Expo, check it out, breathe it in. Breathe it in. Breathe it in. Absorb absorb as much of it as possible. Absorb absorb as much of it as possible. Yes. Yes. Uh, Dr. John has a pretty good question. Uh, Dr. John has a pretty good question. Shout out uh to Australia. Uh, he says, "Have you ever had to remove somebody from commentating for being too drunk?" Too drunk. Too drunk. I don't think I've ever had to do that. Maybe I have and I don't remember, but I've definitely had to have people removed from the booth that were necessarily not not invited to be in the streaming booth. And it was like, which you can't police if you're out which you can't police if you're out moving the game around. You were moving the rig around, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, it it's uh some Yeah. I mean, yeah, it it's uh some people think it's like an an open area and it's technically not. Um but depending on where you can set up the depending on where you can set up the table, right? Well, and I'm not saying cuz there's Well, and I'm not saying cuz there's people I trust like, yeah, just go in there if you're available. It's cool, you know? But like if I've never talked to you before, it's probably not a good thing to come in my booth if I don't know you. Okay, if you're if you're watching and Okay, if you're if you're watching and you're at a major and you've never met Tom, don't go sit in the booth and talk about pinball. I can see how inviting that might be. Those chairs are probably super super comfortable. They are They are most of the time. Uh Enzo, I'm just seeing this now. I Uh Enzo, I'm just seeing this now. I realized I didn't have the the multi chat pulled up. So, if you were been talking to me on YouTube, I apologize. Uh Enzo's here. We he did an interesting uh uh talk with Carrie about uh the Star Wars yesterday or something. Anyways, he's asking you what your favorite Rush song is. Oh, there's too many. There's way too Oh, there's too many. There's way too many. I'd probably say Red Baretta. There you go. There you go. That's probably my favorite. Oral Albert That's probably my favorite. Oral Albert says Oral Albert says that he poked his head Oral Albert says that he poked his head into the booth once when when he hadn't met you before at District 82 and he's apologizing for it. I'm like, get out of here. No. I'm like, get out of here. No. Can you guys make amends now? Can you guys make amends now? Yeah. No, he's he's fine. Yeah. No, he's he's fine. Orbital Albert, you're good, man. Thomas Orbital Albert, you're good, man. Thomas forgiven you. You have been forgiven. I streamed you for like a whole nine I streamed you for like a whole nine holes at Pin Master. There you go. Nobody forgives like a There you go. Nobody forgives like a dentist. Remember that. Um, do you think that being a dentist has helped your uh like dexterity in terms of like flipper skills? I'm like I'm not a dolphin. This is my I'm like I'm not a dolphin. This is my best like damn it. Clip it. Clip it. Not not at all. I'd say like hand eye Not not at all. I'd say like hand eye coordination probably like video games and pinball go maybe hand in hand, but uh it's definitely different to you know pin pinball man. There's there's so many like little tricks you can do with the ball and you know sometimes in the moment you just like why didn't I live catch that? What was I thinking? You know like or I should have postp passed over. Why why didn't I do that? You know it's hindsight. Watching yourself on stream is fun too if you're afraid to be on camera. It really is satisfying. I remember the first time uh it was I think the X-Men launch party at Ace. Carl had set up uh heads up with uh uh it was you know objective based what the hell is it called where you have to get specific like things done. Yeah. Yeah. Literally just talked about this and I Literally just talked about this and I can't remember the name. Yeah. It's like it's like the pin clash. Yeah. It's like it's like the pin clash. Uh yeah clash. The head headtohead stuff. yeah clash. The head headtohead stuff. So it was it was headtohead and he had So it was it was headtohead and he had picked a bunch of objectives that helped us learn X-Men. All the things that you're talking about and uh yeah I got to play live and went home and watched it and was just like why the hell did I do this and that? like it really helps you kind of like observe your your play in a more pressured environment to play better. So, ping ping golf. Ping golf is fun. I ping ping golf. Ping golf is fun. I mean, ping golf pingolf's one of those things like it's fun if you're doing well, but not so fun if you're not. I mean, I guess that's like any tournament setting, but it's it's always it's always fun if you play in a pinolf tournament and like everybody else is doing good and you're like plunging their balls away. It's like the plunge the plunges of shame. I love plunging shame every day. Misled, I love plunging shame every day. Misled, I have a great I can answer this question for you, Misled. MLED is asking, "How can I stop bricking on Led Zeppelin?" Don't play Led Zeppelin. That's the easiest way to not break on it. Led Zeppelin. Uh like so I I mean I I Led Zeppelin. Uh like so I I mean I I have my strategy for Led Zeppelin. My strategy is Cashmere and uh just stay in Cashmir. No. Well, it would help if I clicked the No. Well, it would help if I clicked the right button instead of sending us to the the Nether world. So stay in Kashmir. That's the that's the move. Stay stay in Kashmir. Get multiballs Stay stay in Kashmir. Get multiballs going. You'll you'll have a good time. Keep the ball alive. Uh, I've been I've been saving this one for a little bit. Uh, if you had to pick a perfect lineup out of these games, just going to throw a bunch of random games at you. I want you to tell me, sir. No, no. I'm going to give you the list No, no. I'm going to give you the list of games. I'm going to give you a list of games. I want you to pick the best lineup you can out of this that you could run a tournament with. All right. Let me think. All right. Let me think. Raven.