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Kaneda's Pinball Podcast Saturday Morning Spectacular June 27

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·analyzed·Jun 27, 2026
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TL;DR

Kaneda critiques Sonic launch execution and Barrels' cruise marketing as overpriced gimmicks.

Summary

Kaneda hosts a pinball podcast discussing Sonic the Hedgehog's launch at Jersey Jack Pinball, which he criticizes as poorly executed despite the game's visual quality. He also extensively critiques Barrels of Fun's 'Antonio Cruz' pinball cruise marketing initiative and their Reserve Club membership model as overpriced, gimmicky, and ultimately silly, while maintaining respect for the games themselves. The episode features guest appearances and audience interaction about upcoming games like Fallout, broader observations on pinball marketing, and commentary on collector behavior.

Key Claims

  • The Sonic launch was poorly executed with a 1:15 seizure-inducing trailer followed by a cringey Ralph video as the main launch content, delaying actual gameplay footage to Thursday

    high confidence · Kaneda directly critiques Jersey Jack's launch strategy; witnessed first-hand across streams and content timeline

  • Jersey Jack Pinball offers unlimited production on all Sonic models with no FOMO, giving customers ample time to decide

    high confidence · Kaneda states explicitly: 'With no limited nature on any of the models...you can't be that mad at them because you didn't miss out'

  • Sonic's upper playfield has more shots than the entire Pokemon game's shot set combined

    medium confidence · Kaneda's comparative design observation: 'There's more shots on this upper playfield than I think in all of Pokemon. I'm not even making that up.'

  • Barrels of Fun of Antonio Cruz cruise requires $1,800-$5,000 minimum spend, with additional $75 Reserve Club fee for exclusive perks

    high confidence · Kaneda's detailed cost breakdown of cruise pricing and Reserve Club membership structure

  • Sonic's gameplay lacks the flow of games like Elton John and Harry Potter, despite being fast and chaotic

    high confidence · Kaneda's repeated gameplay assessment: 'I think it's fast. I think it's chaotic. I don't see the same level of flow of a game like Elton John'

  • Godzilla is Stern's best-selling title ever with 27,000+ units sold and maintains #1 ranking on Pinside Top 100

    high confidence · Kaneda references Godzilla's market dominance and universal appeal in comparison to Sonic and Fallout

  • Keith Elwin game is expected to be polarizing as a theme unlike Godzilla, which has universal appeal

    medium confidence · Kaneda's prediction: 'I think Fallout is going to be polarizing as a theme...it runs the risk of being a little bit like the next Avengers'

  • Excessive streaming of new games (e.g., 4-hour Sonic streams) reveals all content and actually works against sales desires

Notable Quotes

  • “Just when you thought pinball marketing couldn't get any better, we got the greatest. Pinball LLC, baby.”

    Kaneda@ 1:10 — Sarcastic opener setting up critique of Barrels of Fun's marketing approach

  • “I'd rather do yard work than a pinball Antonio Cruz.”

    Kaneda@ 5:56 — Core thesis rejecting the cruise concept as an experience worth traveling for

  • “A pinball needs to stay flat. There's a reason why pinball at sea is a great metaphor for David Van Es marketing mind.”

    Gary (audience member, paraphrased)@ 4:02 — Succinct critique of the cruise concept from industry perspective

  • “It's like ordering your entree and out comes a scoop of vanilla ice cream. You're like, well, where's my entree?”

    Kaneda @ Sonic launch critique — Metaphor explaining poor launch sequencing and messaging strategy

  • “Godzilla has everything. It has the theme, the theme immersion. It has the toys. It has the shots. It has the campiness. It has the personality. It has the call-outs. Godzilla has everything.”

    Kaneda@ 34:21 — Explains Godzilla's market dominance and universal appeal benchmark

  • “Nobody knows yet. Nobody knows yet...It's too new. We don't know.”

    Kaneda@ 30:28 — Emphasizes why premature judgment on new games is unreliable

  • “No harm, no foul. If you want to get on the Antonio Cruz, get on the Antonio Cruz...but you're not getting anything. It's just a block of rooms that are reserved.”

Entities

Jersey Jack PinballcompanyBarrels of FuncompanyStern PinballcompanySteve RitchiepersonKeith Elwinperson[name withheld pending review]personGeorge Gomezperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Sonic the Hedgehog launch strategy criticized for sequencing issues: weak 1:15 trailer at peak visibility window, followed by cringey Ralph video, delaying substantive gameplay footage to Thursday

    high · Kaneda's detailed timeline critique: 'the moment you have the most amount of people ready to see your game, you showed it off with a 1 minute and 15 second trailer that was seizure inducing'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Jersey Jack Pinball's unlimited production model across all Sonic tiers removes FOMO factor and allows extended purchase decision windows

    high · Kaneda: 'With no limited nature on any of the models...you can't be that mad at them because you didn't miss out. There is no missing out.'

  • $

    market_signal: Jersey Jack Sonic Premium/LE models priced at $15,000 with limited differentiator vs. $10,000 arcade edition beyond topper accessory

    high · Kaneda: 'you don't have as much of a differentiator to justify a $15,000 unlimited run version of Sonic...50% more for really just a topper'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Sonic features unprecedented large upper playfield with shot density exceeding entire Pokemon game's shot count; design gamble creating 'two games simultaneously'

    high · Kaneda: 'There's more shots on this upper playfield than I think in all of Pokemon...It's almost like a whole separate pinball experience'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Sonic gameplay characterized as fast and chaotic but lacking traditional flow compared to benchmarks like Elton John, Harry Potter, and Godzilla

Transcript

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0:00
Thank you for watching. Thank you. Get your boarding passes ready. We going on a cruise. We leaving from Texas.
1:10
Just when you thought pinball marketing couldn't get any better, we got the greatest. Pinball LLC, baby. I mean, I thought I saw it all. You know, people ask me all the time. Hold on, this is cut. There we go. People ask me all the time. They're like, what do you talk about in pinball? What are you talking about? I was like, yo, pinball marketing is on a whole new level now.
1:36
We're going on a cruise ship. We're going to talk. Look, we got a lot to talk about. We got a lot to talk about in this episode. Okay, we're going to take the glasses off. We're going to take the glasses off because these things are like a little darker in here. There we go.
1:52
We've got Sonic the Hedgehog to discuss today. Okay, we're going to talk a lot about that. I've got a lot of opinions about Sonic. I've been watching all the streams. I've been reading your feedback. I'm standing up. I'm so excited. We've got barrels of fun, man, with the Reserve Club cruise. Never seen anything like it. Got a lot of feelings about it. We're going to talk about it. Don, you didn't order a Sonic though. Don's Pinball Podcast is in the house. Sonic is fun. Did you order? No. We know Don's going to get on that cruise. We know. Like, this cruise was built for Don. Like, I literally will. I should just pay for a bunk bed of Don and Ralph on this cruise. It's going to happen.

medium confidence · Kaneda's observation about viewer behavior: 'the more I see people stream the game...the less I need to own it'

  • Ozzy donated a Winchester Mystery House game (valued at $20,000+) to Electric Bat Arcade instead of keeping it, making it currently a top-five most valuable pinball machine

    high confidence · Kaneda praises Ozzy's generosity: 'Ozzy has a Winchester Mystery House, which is now a $20,000 game or more...he's giving it to Cale at the Electric Bat Arcade'

  • Back to the Back to the Future (game) is planned with approximately 88 units available in America

    medium confidence · Kaneda's statement to Ozzy: 'I think there might only be 88 SLEs in America. You make sure you get it.'

    • Kaneda@ 6:50 — Summarizes the lack of tangible value in the cruise offering

  • “If you're not emotionally pulled into it and it doesn't click...Fallout is going to be polarizing as a theme.”

    Kaneda@ 35:03 — Predicts Fallout's theme won't achieve universal appeal like Godzilla

  • “Who does that? I'll tell you who does that. Ozzy, baby. And that's why we love him.”

    Kaneda@ 29:28 — Celebrates community generosity and positive karma concept

  • “When people are saying that, like 99 percent of people saying that haven't even played the game yet.”

    Kaneda@ 32:44 — Calls out unsubstantiated claims about game quality from unplayed machines

    • Sonic the Hedgehog
    game
    Falloutgame
    Godzillagame
    Harry Pottergame
    Elton Johngame
    Winchester Mystery Housegame
    Transformersgame
    Kanedaperson
    Donperson
    Ralphperson
    Ozzyperson
    Caleperson
    [name withheld pending review]person
    Frank Mackperson
    Ayce Gogiperson
    Brendaperson
    Pokemon Pinballgame
    Electric Bat Arcadevenue

    high · Kaneda: 'I think it's fast. I think it's chaotic. I don't see the same level of flow of a game like Elton John, of a game like Harry Potter'

  • ?

    product_concern: Community speculation that Sonic code will be repetitive (beat level, fight Eggman, repeat) similar to Pokemon, though unverified by actual players

    medium · Ozzy comment and Kaneda's pushback: 'Like any other JJP game, the code is giving me Pokemon vibes...99 percent of people saying that haven't even played the game yet'

  • ?

    content_signal: Extended gameplay streams (4+ hours) of new games may reduce purchase desire by eliminating surprise and content discovery for potential buyers

    medium · Kaneda: 'the more I see people stream the game and the more I see of a game, the more I'm like...the less I need to own it'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Barrels of Fun's Antonio Cruz cruise and Reserve Club model criticized as overpriced gimmick ($1,800-$5,000+ cruise + $75 membership) with minimal tangible benefits

    high · Kaneda: 'you're not getting anything. It's just a block of rooms that are reserved...no perk. There's no benefit.'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Winchester Mystery House Barrels game valued at $20,000+; currently ranks in top-five most valuable pinball machines; donated to arcade location by collector Ozzy

    high · Kaneda: 'Ozzy has a Winchester's Mystery House, which is now a $20,000 game or more...That game is currently now in the top five of most valuable pinball machines'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Stern Pinball experiencing staff turnover; described as 'firing people left and right' or people 'quitting'; referred to as 'tailspin moment' likely to be forgotten upon Fallout release

    medium · Kaneda: 'Stern Pinball is in some sort of tailspin moment that everyone's going to forget about when Keith Elwin drops Fallout'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Godzilla maintains #1 ranking on Pinside Top 100 with 27,000+ units sold; established as modern classic and industry benchmark for universal appeal

    high · Kaneda references Godzilla as universally fun benchmark game with everything: 'theme immersion...toys...shots...campiness...personality...call-outs'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Keith Elwin's Fallout game expected to be game of the year but theme predicted to be polarizing; runs risk of Avengers-like divisive reception unlike Godzilla's universal appeal

    medium · Kaneda prediction: 'I think Fallout is going to be polarizing as a theme...it runs the risk of being a little bit like the next Avengers where you can load it up. But if you're not emotionally pulled into it and it doesn't click'

    • 2:38
    There's something about people that will travel for pinball. I won't travel for pinball. I will travel for culture. I will travel for food. I will travel for World Cup. I will travel for experiences I can't get in other places. To travel for pinball is the dumbest thing you could ever do. Do you know why? Because I got to go to Rome to see the Coliseum. I ain't got to go to like Chicago to see Sonic. I can see it down the block. I ain't got to get on a cruise ship in Texas to play Barrels games and other companies games as well. We're going to talk about this whole thing. We're going to talk about it. Don, you get in on that boat.
    3:21
    Stern's firing people left and right. Well, I don't know. People are quitting. People are getting fired. Stern Pinball is in some sort of tailspin moment that everyone's going to forget about when Keith Elwin drops Fallout and it's the game of the year. It's the game of the year. I'm telling you right now, it's Elwin, baby. He's coming back with a vengeance. He's pissed off. He's going to get his revenge from what happened with King Kong.
    3:52
    Gary just said it best. Gary just said, I've loved pinball for 45 years, and I've loved taking cruises. Never did I ever think the two should go together. A cruise ship moves. Pinball needs to stay flat. There's a reason why pinball at sea is a great metaphor for David Van Ness's marketing mind. We're going to go into it. It's a whole new level of comical. How's everybody doing? We're starting a little bit late. We've got Kale in the house. We've got Don in the house. We've got Robert. Let's say hi. You say hi. I say hi back. We've got, let's see, Jamie. Jamie's in the house. Jamie Bush in the round table. Jamie, baby. Welcome, brother. Welcome. Welcome, man. It's been a week. It's been a week. I will say overall, I think the Sonic launch week was pretty piss poor. It was the video that came out, I think it was Thursday, really good. I think Ace Goge, right, on late pinball, sort of streamed it for four hours straight, man. It was like, it was exhausting. I have to say, like a four-hour stream of watching people play Sonic. Here's what's weird, man. I don't know if you're like me, but the more I see people stream the game and the more I see of a game, the more I'm like, I'm like, the less I need to own it. It's like, you know what I'm saying? It's like watching somebody watch a movie that you're thinking about going to see.
    5:30
    All the surprises are revealed. Everything that's in the game is shown to you. Like, to me, it works against needing it. It really does. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't watch a stream and I'm like, oh man, yeah, now I'm going to go write a check for $15,000. That's not the way. I don't know. I think it actually works a little bit against the sales desires. I'd rather do yard work than a pinball cruise. We're going to talk about it. Where's Cale? Is he in the house yet? He's like, let's go, baby.
    6:06
    You know what's funny to me? I was reading some of the comments as I was, you know me, I take the piss out of this hop.
    6:12
    I'm someone who, I clearly don't take myself very seriously, nor do I take pinball very seriously, nor do I think anybody should. I think we come here for entertainment and for fun. And it's funny to me that people are like, you're being mean about this cruise.
    6:27
    I make fun of everything in pinball in the right way. And so when the first ever pinball at sea happens, you think this is the time where I'm not going to make fun of it? I'm not going to say this is the silliest thing ever? Like, it's the silliest thing ever. It's almost as stupid as the reserve club. It's almost as stupid. Like, look, again, like, no harm, no foul. If you want to get on the cruise, get on the cruise. We're going to talk about it. If you want to get on the cruise, get on the cruise. I'm not stopping you. But, like, you're not getting anything. It's just a block of rooms that are reserved. There's no, there's nothing. There's nothing. There's no perk. There's no benefit. I love when they're like, only reserve club members will be able to get access to certain things. Okay, so are you telling me that if I get on that cruise and I'm a pinhead, but I'm not signed up for the $75, let me tell you what $75 gets you on a Royal Caribbean cruise ship, like three drinks. You know, so it's, I also love the positioning. I love the positioning that due to the successful launch of the Reserve Club.
    7:32
    So who, successful? Like, okay, so how many people, did anyone here sign up? I'm curious. Out of the 76 people here, 17 on Facebook, show of hands, how many of you signed up for the Reserve Club? How many of you think you're going to have a hard time getting the next game from Barrels of Fun?
    7:49
    How many? Thank you. I'm not on this mission for sobriety. I want to take a break and I want to just feel great. And Kale is such good positive reinforcement that I need.
    8:33
    So the cruise will feature the debut of the Dune Topper. Here's what's happening. You guys all know this, right? This isn't some pinball cruise. Royal Caribbean doesn't even know what's going on right now. They were my client. There's like 5,000 people on that boat, maybe more. This is not a themed cruise that they're even aware of. Like, this is just that you can reserve a block of rooms the same way you would with a code for people that are joining for an anniversary or a birthday or a wedding, like, whatever it is, you know? Like, this isn't, like, the themed pinball cruise. Okay, so there's that. There's also already an arcade on this cruise. So, and I'm sure, like, I don't know, David might have worked out a thing where there's going to be, like, some games there. But the weird part is, he's like, yeah, come play our product and the competitors. Like, okay, what is this? Is it trying to be like a pinball at the beach but on a boat? And then you have to spend minimum like $1,800, which if you've ever been on a cruise, you know that that just gets you on board. That gets you none of the good food, none of the good drinks, none of the, you know. So, like, you're looking at a cool $3,000 to $5,000 to be a... This is what's funny to me. It's like, they're basically asking you to spend $3,000 to $5,000 and then saying that they're going to make certain things exclusive unless you sign up for the $75 reserve club.
    10:04
    Huh. Let me do that math. Huh. Look, I know I'm being a jerk about this. I know that this is just an innocuous way to get pinheads to hang out and have a good time. And if you want to go on this cruise and spend six days with other pinheads, go for it. I don't think most people are. I think a week vacation is hard to even come by for most grown adults who have families and wives. Like, you know, if you're single and you wear cargo shorts and, you know, you haven't had any action in a year, this is your best chance to get some action. It's not going to be with a woman. And it's going to be with pinball machines that you could play back on land.
    10:46
    You know what I'm saying? Like, it's the only action you're going to get on that cruise. Okay, I'm just, I'm being honest.
    10:57
    You know, look, I think what's weird about all this is like, this is like their marketing. This is the kind of brand they want to be. And as I say to, you know, look, there was a point where I would talk to David more frequently. Look at this. Sad boy. Thank you, brother.
    11:15
    Transformers effing sucks. Played the pro for three hours straight last night and was bored out of my mind. Sad boy. You paid for three hours and you were bored. It barely has any flow to speak of. Half the shots are huge effing bricks. So glad I didn't pull the trigger. OK, so sad boy. First of all, thank you so much for the 50 bucks. I appreciate it. You know, I have to say, Sad Boy, and again, when you donate, we change topics right to whatever you donate. So that's how it works. If you want to steer the conversation, just, you know what to do, baby. I have heard the opposite on Transformers, that it actually does flow well.
    11:58
    And I just think, like, I've heard that. I've heard it flows well, and I've heard the code is amazing. So I'm shocked to hear you say it was boring. I would assume you're not a G1 Transformers fan, though, because I mean, I think they nailed the theme. So I do think Ozzy's like play better. Ozzy is the biggest Transformers fanboy. Ozzy, I love you, brother. I'm going to preemptively say thank you, Ozzy, for the hundred bucks because it's coming, baby. He's going to make me wait for it. But we know it's coming. I think Ozzy's the kind of guy that's going to get his Transformers LE, he's going to love it, and he's never going to sell it, and he's going to wake up, and every day he sees it, he's going to be happy, and that's the point of this hobby.
    12:39
    You know what I'm saying? Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. You don't need anyone else's opinion. If you've got something that you're truly enjoying in life, and it brings you happiness every day, that's all that matters. And you never lose a penny if you never sell it. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a Dodge Demon. I'm never selling it. It's got my name on it. It's fully paid for. It was built for me. I'm going to give it to Killian one day so he can remember his father by one of the, you know, the car. It says on the vent it was built for his dad, basically. So, like, not basically. I am his dad. You know what I'm saying? So I have friends who have sold their demons. They made 40. They lost. And my friend's like, oh, man, you could have sold it for $140,000. Now they're only worth like $115,000. I'm like, you don't get it, bro. I'm never selling this car.
    13:28
    My friend's like, oh, man, your demon crate got ruined. I don't care if the demon crate's gone. I don't need the demon crate. I'm never selling this car. I'm not going to be one of these people that parades it around at shows and babies it. I drive it. I'm not selling it.
    13:46
    So Frank Mack is in the house, Frank D'Angelo. And Frank, I got to bust your balls right now. I'm going to bust your balls. So in the Barrels Cruise post, Frank said that this show is fire. And I think Frank is like, this is a great idea, Pinball at the Sea.
    14:05
    And, you know, Frank, I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed as your very good friend, as your confidant. As an Italian brethren, no Italian man with taste who knows how to be near the ocean is getting on a 5,000 person floating strip mall. Okay, you know this, right? You know this. Okay. Now look, cruises can be fun, man, but like cruises and pinball shows? Thanks for watching. Penalty kicks to Argentina. Great game, but man, the French armada, man, that front line of theirs is just better than everybody else. And they're going to go off when the push comes to shove. All right, what do we got here? I'm watching this in my boat, Retro Jango. So look, let's, let's, let's, we'll go back to the pinball that see, because look, I don't think most of you signed up for the Barrels Reserve Program. I don't think, 99% of you are not getting on that boat. 99% of you, even if you want to get on that boat, there's no way your wife is going to be like, we're going to use one of our vacation weeks to do that. So it's going to be like, I do feel like Don's going to be there and Ralph is going to be there. You know, like if I'm a betting man, I just feel like Don is going to be there and Ralph is going to be there. I just have this, I see them in bunk beds, like exchanging notes on how to get the next manufacturer invite.
    16:06
    I'm joking with you guys. You know this, Don. You know I love you. Like we all got to learn to take the piss out of each other. I haven't heard from Ralph. I think, I still think that Ralph video was cringe. I mean it. And again, I know Mason and him put in a lot of effort. The only reason why I think it was so cringe is it just shouldn't have been the first video everybody saw. And I told this to Alex Manning, and I'll say it again, I thought the launch countdown of Sonic was so poorly executed. And you really do only get one chance to make a first impression. I thought the entire first 24 hours of the Sonic launch were kind of mind-boggling.
    16:45
    You had, everybody was aware of the date. You had a week-long countdown. You counted down to noon on Tuesday. And then what unlocks, the moment you got, that's when everybody was waiting to see it. And the moment you have the most amount of people ready to see your game, you showed it off with a 1 minute and 15 second trailer that was seizure inducing. And then it was Ralph's, like, I thought it was kind of a cringy video of like him as like, oh, I'm at Jersey Jack. Like, do they even know I'm here? Here's a notebook. Like, put this. And he made Steve and Eric look. I found the whole thing to be so sort of like, I get it, I get it, but it all felt a little like corny and fake in my honest opinion. And so like, but again, it wasn't his fault. I thought that video would not have been as cringe and would have been accepted with more enthusiasm if it wasn't delivered to us as the entree on launch day. See what I mean? Like, to me, that was like a little cherry on top, fun little playful thing to put out there. It's like dessert, right? It's like, but it was the entree on launch day. And because you serve this as an entree, it'd be like ordering, you know, your entree and out comes a scoop of vanilla ice cream. You're like, well, where's my entree? And the fact that they held the entree until Thursday, and even worse than that, I think it was like, was it like Wednesday night? They were live streaming from Jersey Jack. The first gameplay footage ever was over the shoulder in the Jersey Jack lobby.
    18:29
    And then Thursday, we finally got the video that was great. And I called up Alex Manning. And I hate to say this, gang, but that was Jersey Jack's strategy.
    18:41
    And again, I don't think Alex works in marketing. I mean, I love Brett. I know he's not like, you know, like you don't even need to work in marketing or no marketing when you're when you've got Brett's kind of money. But it was just a shame. It was a shame. And, you know, it was just like they should have they needed to think it through a little bit better.
    18:57
    And, you know, again, it's like no harm, no foul. But in a game in which you are, you know, this isn't Harry Potter, you need to work harder, I think, with a theme like Sonic to get people to write checks for $15,000. You don't have as much of a differentiator to justify a $15,000 unlimited run version of Sonic. I think the topper's cool, but I think a lot of people, when they look at the arcade edition for 10, are kind of like, ah, 5, like that's 50% more for really just a topper, because nothing else is going to, you're really going to feel or experience at all. So, yeah, I think, unfortunately, Ralph's video got served up too quickly. It made people, I think, just feel ashamed that that's all we got. Not ashamed, but, like, just disappointed, and I think we looked at it a lot more critically because of that. It should not have gone in that order. You know, even Ralph had to be like, oh man, like I didn't realize like, you know, you guys want a gameplay that's coming later this week. But again, like that's, that's, I really have a problem with pinball companies that know what everybody wants and needs before they pull the trigger. I have a problem with you asking for our money and you know what we need. We need to see more substance. We need to see some gameplay and then you don't give it to us. To me, that's like, in 2026, that's like an insulting way to launch a game. You know what I'm saying? You're not ready. So if you're not ready, then I'm not ready to buy it. And here's the thing about Jersey Jack. With no limited nature on any of the models, all right, all right. You know, it's like you can't be that mad at them because you didn't miss out. There is no missing out. And you have time to pull the trigger.
    20:56
    I'm reading what you guys are saying. Thank you for watching. Who's bringing the whole family on this cruise?
    21:33
    Nobody. Don, don't do it. Don't do it. Okay. Let me talk about Sonic. And I want you... I haven't played Sonic yet. I will play it. Frank, is it here yet?
    21:50
    I believe Sonic is arriving early next week at Automated. I will play it. I have this weird feeling. And I think I'm kind of going in to the gameplay with this sentiment. And I've seen a lot of the stream.
    22:07
    And I said it on my last show, and I'll say it here because I haven't changed my mind. I think Sonic is going to be a lot of fun. And I think it's going to be a very unique game. I think it breaks up the monotony of a lot of people's lineups. I think it's very fast. I don't see the flow in the game.
    22:32
    I don't see... I consider games that are fast... Why is it trying to... Okay, our internet was a little wonky there. It's because we've got the in-laws in town. Everyone's on my Wi-Fi.
    22:46
    A game can be fast but not have a lot of flow. Just, like, that's a thing. You can have a lot of up and down, a lot of quick action, but it doesn't necessarily mean there's a lot of flow. There's a lot of combos. There's a lot of connecting of shots. I think in Sonic, I think it's fast. I think it's chaotic. I don't see the same level of flow of a game like Elton John, of a game like Harry Potter. Actually, the more I've watched a lot of Sonic streams versus Potter, I still think Potter's going to be the better shooter. I think Potter is going to be the more rewarding shooter. I think Potter is going to, you know, took a more traditional approach and knows what works. I think Steve, to his credit, like went very ambitious with this very large upper playfield. It does feel like, you know, Black Knight on crack a little bit, but I think unlike Black Knight, I think he made this upper playfield much more interesting and much more dynamic, if you will. That being said, I do still think that that's a big gamble. Because it's almost like a whole separate pinball experience up there that can create a little bit of two games at the same time. And again, there are going to be certain people that like that. They're going to like that variety and feeling like there's an abundance of things to shoot at in Sonic. There might be some more people that don't like that, that don't like upper playfields. I mean, there's just like a lot of people that don't like upper playfields and don't like lower playfields. They want everything on one level, one plane. They love hitting ramps to get different elevation and get different sort of, you know, experiences in the game. But they don't like going below, and they don't like going above and getting trapped up there, especially in an upper playfield like this that has a significant amount of shots and is almost like asking you to spend a lot of time up there. It's not a quick upper playfield like a Wizard of Oz or Pirates of the Caribbean.
    24:57
    I'm trying to think what recent upper playfields I've seen in games. Jaws is another good example of a very fast upper playfield with one or two shots. Very quick time up there. It's not going to break up the flow that much. So this is different, man. This is like a whole... There's more shots on this upper playfield than I think in all of Pokemon. I'm not even making that up. I think you could put all the Pokemon shots in totality, and that would make up the upper playfield of Sonic. Okay. So here's my thing, though. I'm watching the stream, and I'm watching, and I'm like, this game is going to be fun. It is, right? There's also a reality that almost any pinball machine is a lot of fun at the beginning. It's new, right? There's just something to be said about newness and jumping on a machine. And also, like, anyone playing Sonic right now has the added enthusiasm that you are one of the first people in the world, and this will never happen again. You are one of the first people in the world to be enjoying this new Steve Ritchie pinball machine from Jersey Jack Pinball. So, you know, when you stand over it, you're going to feel that giddiness and that like sense of like an occasion, if you will, that you will never experience again. And so I think that's also the reason why a lot of people jump on new machines. And it's not just this machine. They'll jump on new machines and feel a great sense of satisfaction. Ssurekt.com. Order or not order a game. We have to make up our mind right away on whether we like or hate the game right away. And then we have to, like, go on a crusade on the Internet and other places and force people to agree with us. Like, that's really, like, the strangest behavior ever. So Ozzy said, Sonic looks amazing, but like any other JJP game, the code is giving me Pokemon vibes. Beat the level, fight Eggman, repeat. All right, Ozzy, first of all, man, I just want to say I just want to take a moment and thank Ozzy in general for being, I think, almost now my main Patreon YouTube supporter, almost in Kaneda pinball history. I mean, every week this guy is giving Brenda a bottle of sake. It's not it's not doing well for my not drinking. I won't, you know, I'll give it to Brenda. I mean, she'll be drunk in half a bottle. Thank you for watching And I think Ozzy inspires me to see the good in things other than the stupid Pinball at Sea Cruise and the stupid Reserve Club the Barrels Reserve Club Because I won't – you know what I'm saying? Like, I want to be positive. But when I see stupid things, I'm still going to call them out, okay? Well, we got Billy Brandis in the house.
    28:43
    If I don't buy it, then I have to hang out with people in cargo shorts. All right. And he let – yeah. So Ozzy let Electric Bat talk about this. I don't think I've ever seen this before. And then, Bill, I'm going to get to your comment. Ozzy has a Winchester's Mystery House, which is now a $20,000 game or more. And instead of unboxing it right now and taking ownership, he's giving it to Cale at the Electric Bat Arcade to put on location. That game is currently now in the top five of most valuable pinball machines in the marketplace right now. And he's going to go let strangers play it.
    29:27
    Who does that? I'll tell you who does that. Ozzy, baby. And that's why we love him. And that's why he's an amazing man. And all this good karma will come back to him. And that's why Ozzy knows. He's friends with me. So, Ozzy, what that means is you will never have a hard time getting a game. And, in fact, Ozzy, I'm here to tell you right now. And I think almost with 100% certainty I will make this happen. But when Back to the Future SLE comes out, because of all your donations and all your good karma and all your goodwill, I'm going to make sure you get an SLE. All right? I think there might only be 88 SLEs in America. You make sure you get it.
    30:07
    All right. Here we go. What did Billy say? I love JGP's approach with unlimited ability to buy. The game has to be good to do well. No FOMO. Yep, yep, yep.
    30:17
    Look, look, here's the deal. Here's the deal about Sonic. Nobody knows. I mean that. Nobody knows yet.
    30:30
    Nobody knows yet. The verdict on Sonic is uncertain. And the reason I say that is certain things are clear, right? There are some certainties. It is a beautiful game.
    30:45
    It is a stunning package. It is a unique layout. It is got, you know, it's a game like no other. All that is clear.
    30:58
    But the reason why I say everything surrounding Sonic is uncertain, it's too new. We don't know. We've been down this road before with Jersey Jack. With Jersey Jack games especially, more than Sterns, I think especially with Jersey Jack games, we have had love affairs with them at the beginning. Many, many times.
    31:23
    But then the code and the replay value. See, this is where Jersey Jack, again, I'm not sure yet. That's why I'm not saying this game's not going to have this, but it's way too soon. This is why I still think it's too soon to order, because why? You have so much time to make up your mind.
    31:44
    What happens is the lights and the platform and the beauty, after a few months, you get used to it all. It's like a beautiful woman like Brenda, like sexy as can be, right? Fun to take out on dates a couple months. But it would end there if there was no substance, if there wasn't true depth to character, if there weren't things about the game's personality that make you want to keep coming back every single day. And so that's why I say it's way too soon because I don't know. And look, I know that there are some people out there that are like, well, this is going to be just like Elton, the same coding team, and it's going to get repetitive, And the sonic clips are on loop. And like after you just, you know, run through a level and then battle Eggman, it's going to be rinse repeat and you're going to get bored of it. And it's going to get repetitive and it's going to feel like chopping wood.
    32:41
    Those people don't know that. OK, so I think when people are saying that, like 99 percent of people saying that haven't even played the game yet. So I don't I can't accept that yet. It might be true. It's just not confirmed yet, nor do we know yet.
    33:00
    When I watch, what is it, On Lit Pinball at Ace Goge for three, four hours and he's interviewing people, look, man, people are on camera.
    33:11
    He's leading the witness on everything. You know, they're there. They're dressed like Eggman. Like, you know, people are just happy to be there at a bar. Like, of course they're going to say it. It's like when Don gets trapped at Stern saying Transformers is great. You know, when Ralph is shilling Transformers, when he's stuck there, you know, it's like, I get it. Like, you're in someone's house and they serve you a meal. Even if you don't think it's great, you're going to say, like, very nice stuff about it. The truth is that nobody knows yet. Nobody knows yet. And like all pinball, this game may be just the answer for what a certain type of pinhead is looking for. You know, there are people with like very deep games and they've got those games in their lineup and they want a fast game that's just easy to jump on and enjoy and have fun for 20 minutes and that's going to be Sonic. And their deep game might be The Hobbit. It might be Lord of the Rings. They might have a Walking Dead that they love. They might love Jaws. They might have Godzilla, which is kind of like the best of all worlds. There's a reason why Godzilla is number one for so many people. It has everything. It has the theme, the theme immersion. It has the toys. It has the shots. It has the campiness. It has the personality. It has the call-outs. Godzilla has everything.
    34:32
    It has everything. And that's what people are looking for. I think we'll talk about Fallout. There's a lot of energy around Fallout, and there's a lot of excitement for Keith Elwin's next game. I just don't think Fallout as a theme will ever quite click with people the way Godzilla, because Godzilla is just universally fun. You know what I'm saying? Universally fun. I think Fallout is going to be polarizing as a theme. I think the game is going to be amazing, but it runs the risk of being a little bit like the next Avengers where you can load it up. But if you're not emotionally pulled into it and it doesn't click. Yeah, I'm in the closet right now because the in-laws are here. Brenda's parents are here. Her sister's here.
    35:16
    Her brother's coming with his wife and child and her other sister. The whole family's coming here and they haven't been here before. So they're going to be here for a while because next Sunday, Brendan and I go to Italy for a week. And so they're going to watch the kids while we go to Italy. I will not bring young children to Italy at this age. I will not bring them to Japan when I go in September. They're too young, they won't appreciate it, and it would ruin our vacation because we also need a little bit of a break. We don't have family here that helps out ever, so we've been going at it now for five years without much help. So we need a window in the closet. Well, I'm going to show you. Here's my walk-in closet.
    36:09
    I got my clothes. Most of them are mine. Sorry, Gemma. We are at Too Many Games convention in Oak, PA. Wow, okay. Okay, let's...
    36:36
    Well, it's going to be really hot in Italy. UV can fade close too. Yeah, we don't really get too much direct sunlight in here. And the way the windows are, it's not... Of course the sun can fade close. Of course.
    36:59
    But, um... Yeah, I mean, look. I'm gonna be like... Why not leave the kids in Ireland because there's no daycare? Why would I fly to Ireland with the kids and then fly to Italy when I'm flying business class from New York City to Rome? Why would I do that?
    37:26
    It's also like we want it to be as least disruptive for the kids. You know, they're in their home. Daycare's here.
    37:35
    That is the dumbest thing I've ever read. I just read the dumbest thing I've ever read by Wario... wait, Wario Dolby?
    37:53
    Wario Dolby just said that Sonic will outsell Harry Potter. And Wario, man, I don't usually use the word dumb, but that is the dumbest thing I've ever read. There is no way in a million years that Sonic the Hedgehog will outsell Harry Potter.
    38:14
    You're out of your mind. I will bet you, I'll bet you a thousand bucks, bro, and Brett Abbott will give me the actual numbers. There is no way. I can tell you right now, and I know from week one sales already, that it's not even close, bro. You have to understand, Harry Potter is like, A, is a better shooter. Chapter B is like, it's like 20 times the franchise that Sonic the Hedgehog is.
    38:42
    There's just no way. I like, brother, I love you, but you're just, you're talking crack now. You got to put the crack pipe down, bro. So, let me tell you something, Wario. Games don't sell more over time. They sell the most in the first year. They actually sell, the most orders come in probably in the first six months. It's not happening, man.
    39:14
    Anyway, the thing is this. I do feel that when I see the Sonic code and what's on the screen is kind of more like a looping reel of him running through the different worlds. I do worry a little bit that it is very reminiscent of the Elton John collage just repeating itself and that nothing you're doing really in the game is kind of, it's not even connected to that. There was one, and maybe it's just early, and I have to update it. There was one where it's just like, he runs for just like three seconds, and then it like whites, like watermarks out, and then it like, it's just the same little clip looping over and over until you get to the next stage, I guess. And I did, it was like, what, what, what, it's just weird. Because he's just like running into himself over and over again.
    40:10
    Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, look, Sonic is a, well, well, look, the difference is this, is that there's more Harry, like, I don't know. I don't really, honestly, man, it's like, I don't think, the difference is, is like when Potter came out too. Potter came out in a year in which nothing even came close to stealing its thunder. Unfortunately for Sonic, it's going to have a little window, but then we're going to get Fallout, we're going to get Back to the Future, we're going to get Fifth Element, we're going to get the next Barrels game, we're going to get Goonies. The amount of blockbusters coming out on top of each other this year, it's going to make it harder for any game to just be the game.
    41:08
    For those of you who were in this hobby like I've been for the last over 10 years, you realize it used to be like one game was the game of the year. One game got all our attention. One game was like the banger that sold everything. And it's no longer the case. Like, there's so many games now.
    41:33
    Dude, you need a messy jersey that one behind you makes your closet look bad. No, I love... You know what's weird about the Mbappe? This is the official jersey. They took the accent off of his E. Same with Dembele. Like, I don't... That feels kind of, like, cheap and disrespectful that they would change the spelling of these players' names like that. But it is what it is. When I got it, I was like, oh, I paid $200 for this. I'm like, I thought this was the official. Like, why isn't the accent on the E in it? It's not even on the one he's playing with.
    42:10
    Who else we got in the house here? I'm reading what you guys are saying. My wife played Sonic and she was impressed with it. She has played everything from the 70s up to now. Not very easy to impress her. I think all Jersey Jack games are very impressive early on. I do.
    42:28
    What they make is just next level compared to what Stern is putting into the market. Let's talk about Stern.
    42:38
    We had a lot of conversation about Stern lately. A lot of rumors. They're getting sued. People are leaving. People are getting fired. Seth fired Jody because of G.I. Joe. You want the story? You want what Jody did to get fired?
    42:56
    Jody got himself fired, and he really did a boneheaded move. And you've got to think about it. He's been with Gary for, what, over 20 years?
    43:09
    Really boneheaded move after all of his time and having this dream job. You know, and also, I'm just going to say this, like, I don't know Jody. You know, I've heard stories about Jody. I know that, let's just say this, I know that Jody leaving is good news for a lot of people at Stern. I feel like he wasn't very well liked there is what I've heard. Spooky Pinball Inc. Once Gary sold the business to private equity and brought in Seth, because remember, Seth is hired by the private equity guys to drive that business. And look, I don't have a problem with Seth Davis, man. I've hung out with Seth. I think he's a really good guy. I think he gets a lot of crap from this community. I think too much crap from this community who are unaware of what he's been dealt. Because remember, it wasn't Seth that moved them into the big factory. It wasn't Seth that took the, you know, the big city of Chicago tax break to do that. He walked into this, okay?
    44:45
    Now, I do think Seth has made some bad hires. I'm not even sure what the CMO is doing. I heard he's a cool dude, but he doesn't know anything about pinball.
    44:54
    He brought in a woman to run the line who recently just, I think, quit like last week or so. These are all just things I'm hearing. You know, it's like George is the only one that we kind of know George. And George has earned everybody's respect. George has earned the trust of the community. George has delivered. You know what I'm saying? Like, George has made some of the greatest pinball machines of all time. So George is like, George is a god in the gaming industry. He is. George made the Tron, like, arcade machine in the 80s.
    45:24
    George is the American dream. I mean, he is off the boat, right, from Cuba, like, just a kid with a dream. And look at, like, I still love George Gomez. I know he has to tow the company line every once in a while, and he has to spin things. And, you know, like, Optimus worked, or they, you know, even if there was an issue, he didn't have, you know, him saying it's not fun and it didn't, like, yeah, like, I know the truth is somewhere in the middle there. But I'm not going to indict the dude. I think Pinball is much better off, I think everybody would agree, with Stern Pinball.
    46:01
    It's weird that we chop them down every chance we get. Here we go. Okay, hold on. I got $100 here from Reno Pinball Underground. Thank you, brother. Will Tales of the Arabian Nights only hold value at $399? The classic version held value for so long. Build quality is definitely better than Funhaus. Okay. I'm going to go back to Stern. I'm going to answer this question because as I always say, when you give $100, you get the show.
    46:32
    Rhino Pinball, by the way, what's your name, brother? What's your first name? I want to address this question and I want to call you. I'm assuming Rhino Pinball Underground might be like a bar or an arcade or a, let's see here.
    46:53
    Even Rebecca, parts manager, is no longer at Stern since a month or two. Okay. I'm waiting for Reno's name, and then I'm going to answer his question about Tails.
    47:07
    All right. Let's see. Hold on. Don't answer it, Brian Allen. If that's you, I took to the cockpits. It's like Pedretti Gamins in here answering the question about whether or not their game is going to hold value. Jason. All right. Jason, thank you, brother, for the question.
    47:23
    Jason, it's a good question. It's a question that I want to think about because, as you pointed out, this is an interesting remake.
    47:38
    Historically, Pedretti's remakes have been, you know, they made like one, Funhouse, was an abomination. It was terrible. All this showing in the world by the flipping out crew couldn't convince us otherwise because they placed a big order for him. But the reality is it was an abysmal game. The quality was garbage and it tanked in value and nobody wanted it.
    48:06
    And I think they were on different boards. I think they're now using Fast boards. Aaron over there at Fast. Aaron, I love you, brother. Um, the, here's my thing about this game, and I've had a Totem, and I've, I've had it in my house, so I know this game very intimately.
    48:24
    And it is one of the greatest, like, mech games of all time. $3.99, Brian Allen artwork. Do I think it'll hold value?
    48:37
    Um, no. I don't. And I'll tell you why. I want to give my explanation. And again, what's the price now? How much is it? Someone remind me what the Tails LE is. I think it's something like $11,900. Am I right? Is it $12,000?
    48:57
    $12,000? Someone tell me. I think it's $12,000. And I want to make sure I have the price right. Because, you know, the question is, will it hold value? And I want to make sure I know the base value. I believe it was $11,999, which I'm going to give you the reason why I think it's not going to hold value.
    49:20
    $11,000 or $12,000. Let's just say it's $12,000. It's $12,000 instead of Wayne here. Okay. Here's the thing. When you take a game like Tales and you remake it and you use, like, a whole new art package, I think right away, you're messing with, like, history. You're messing with what the game is. And when you look at the tales that have held value, there's some nostalgia for that game from the 90s. And, you know, in its time, it was one of the most beautiful games. It's always been a game that people will stand over with a lot of awe because it's just got so much in it and it's so cool and it's so unique and the art is so, it's still good art. I love it because it feels like a period piece. And I think that's the best answer. It feels like a piece of American pinball from the 90s that still holds up to this day, if you will.
    50:26
    And Brian Allen has his style. He does his thing. And it doesn't look bad. I think it's a very attractive game in a lot of ways. But in a lot of ways, this isn't what, I don't know, you know what I'm saying? Like it wasn't, this artist didn't work with John Papaduke Jr., the Pedretti up there versus Bally Williams. Those things to me really eat away at the value because here's the thing. I don't think Brian Allen's art packages on full games, I don't think he's established himself as an artist yet who's done a full game. And maybe this is it. Maybe this is his beginning. But he doesn't carry with him the pedigree that Yeti does and Christopher Franchi when we come to the newer pinball artists. So there's that. Because I think if you took Totin and had Franchi just enhance it a little bit and make it a little bit more modern, that would work. But when you fully re-illustrate it, I think you're messing with history and nostalgia a little bit. Okay, so there's that.
    51:30
    Pedretti as a brand carries absolutely no, I mean, like zero collectability and pedigree in this hobby right now. So, like, that is also working against your resale value. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, people just, like, Pedretti, like, it just means nothing to people. CGC, Chicago Gaming Company, much different. Like, that company was, like, had a strong pedigree with Stern and Churchill Cabinets. And, you know, how, you know, they earn their way and they make quality games. That's the thing, too, is like CGC's remakes were the best quality and the best versions of those older games. And that's why, you know, people were skeptical when CGC remakes came out, remember? And because they elevated it on such and so many levels, it worked. The other thing is this, is Tales as a game is boring.
    52:24
    It's boring. And so it's a great game for location. It's not boring on location. It's boring to own it. And I think because of that, you know, this is meant for homeowners, that homeowners are going to tire of it quickly. And even if it has 2.0 code, there hasn't really been in the history of any of these remakes a 2.0 package. That really has made people excited because the problem is nobody, you know, it has no history. Nobody, it's like making an extended cut version of a movie, but no one's seen that version. So I think for all those reasons, my advice to you is if you want this game, just wait. And I'll tell you the other reason why I think Tales is going to tank in value.
    53:15
    I'll tell you why I think it's going to tank. I don't, sorry, tank is the wrong word. I think it's just going to go down. I don't think it's going to tank. I think if it's 12, you'll be able to get them easily for like 9 or 10. Okay? I mean those 399s. Okay? They're not going to like end up in collector's homes and be untouchable. Don't worry about that part. The reason why I think they're going to go down in value big time is Circus Voltaire from American Pinball is going to blow it away. And trust me when I say this, what Melvin's done to that game is going to be wow. Like way more wow. Now, the crazy part is Brian Allen is on the art package of that game as well. But I know that Melvin like reigned him in. So like I think you're going to see a much more like appealing package. Okay, so let's go on to Reno getting 50 bucks again. He keeps owning the show. You could just keep, look, you just want to keep paying me guys. I will, you, it's your show. Story, Reno Pinball Underground came about because my wife's thrift store was losing money. I put 23 pinballs in the basement to help pay the rent in downtown Reno. Great games like JJP Pirates, Evil Dead, and Modern Sterns. That is super cool, man. That is awesome. I love that. You know, look, we all have dreams of operating pinball machines. Some of us just live in parts of the country where you can financially do that. In this town, I'd go out of business in a month. It'd be like $20,000 rent. And I'd be like, okay, man, how many plays did Sonic get? It's like, and plus, I'd have to pay $10,000 just to get to Sonic. Think about that. If I had $20,000 rent and I paid $10,000 for a Sonic, that's $30,000 that I would have to pay just to have one pinball machine in a location.
    55:03
    All right. I'm going to go back to Stern unless there's any more questions here. Yeah, there's too many good games, man. And the old stuff doesn't really have the demand that people think. Does Seth ever do a casual interview so people get to know him? Only time I see him. You know what? I'll think about interviewing Seth. I think he would take my calls. All right. So Chance Hammer. Chance, thank you for the 50 bucks. By the way, you guys are the best, man. I'll tell you this. Every time you guys give 50 bucks, 100 bucks, let me tell you what happens. The guys that hate Kaneda. Oh, man, look at this guy. Pete Rosen with 100. Pete, you're insane. All the guys that hate me, you know who they are. This kills them, man. So it's not just support for me. I love it. They're like, oh, man, Kaneda again. He's just... All right. Chance Hammer said, predict how much it will be to secure or buy a spot for Back to the Future and Big Trouble, both SLE editions. Please tell me 5 to 7K will buy a spot.
    56:08
    All right. So that's a loaded question, brother. Like, I don't think that is even close to being in the ballpark. I mean, add a one to each of those in front of the number. And let me explain why.
    56:25
    Well, okay. Like, let me think about this, right? Okay, so here's why I don't think for an SLE, if they're only making 88 back to the future SLEs, let's stay on that one for a minute. Because that one's guaranteed coming. Where big trouble is still more of a rumor. Let's say I'm back to the future. SLE. 88 in America 88 in Europe Okay only 88 Franchi on the cabinet artwork Big DeLorean like the Batmobile and Batman SLE You think five to seven will get you one
    56:57
    Over? Okay, well, first, we don't know what the starting price is. If I were guessing, I think the starting price will be $20,000.
    57:09
    Okay, and I think they'll get it. They would, $20,000, gone, gone. So if 20,000 is the starting point,
    57:20
    Trane, what are you doing? I'm going outside. Okay, you're changing? Putting your message in? If 20,000 is the starting point, this is where it does get interesting. You're interrupting my show! If someone is... You're interrupting my show! I'm not interrupting your show. It's my show. It's my show. It's your show now? Yes. When did it become... Get away before I punch you in the eye. Get away. Get away. Boys are amazing. Get away before I punch... Get away!
    57:59
    Hey, Mama Bear! He's mocking me. He's like, I don't know where... Get away! I don't know where he got the sarcasm from. Get away. Here comes Brenda in her Pilates outfit. Here we go. Brenda! Brenda!
    58:18
    He's in here. He took over the show. I'm getting dressed! He's getting dressed. Why? I just got in here!
    58:33
    It's fine. It's fine. You don't have to scold him very much. He's excited. The whole... Ow! Thank you for watching. I don't know where the Mbappé jersey is.
    59:14
    This one? Which one? This one? Where? This? Why is there two dresses on there? Oh, okay. Alright, we're back. We're back. Welcome to, uh... Welcome to Family Life. Alright, Pete. Okay. Here, here... Chance, to get back to your question, man.
    59:48
    If Back to the Future has Franchi on artwork and the opening price is $20 and there's only $88. And I'm just going off of like Batman SLE and I'm going off of like. I think you're looking at at least 10 over.
    60:13
    I think you're looking at 30. And I don't think, this is a scenario where it doesn't matter that, I don't think anything matters. I just think it's like, as a work of art of an 88 SLE, DeLorean, Franchi, all the movie assets, I think it will be a grail forever.
    60:37
    So that is, I think 30 is like right away, and then I just, I don't ever see people selling these things.
    60:46
    So, you know, I think that's just kind of where it's going to be. And it's a lot of money. You know, it's interesting because, like, you know, when you say that, like, scalper. I mean, I made $10,000 on a Pokemon LE.
    61:04
    Isn't that crazy? I'm actually proud of myself that I figured that one out early on. I mean, it's hard to tell, man. There's not really much of a market analysis ability of a game like limited on a theme like that with all the assets like that. So, you know, we'll see. It's going to happen, man. It's coming this year.
    61:34
    It's coming this year. All right. So let's go back to Stern real quick, guys. And Pete, man, Pete Rosen, thank you so much for the hundred bucks. If there's anything you'd like me to discuss, the floor is always yours, brother. I love you. Pete's one of the, Pete's like the OG. The OG of, Pete was like doing what Ozzy does before Ozzy was even a name in our hobby. Consider a 10K contribution to the show that guy got.
    62:00
    Well, look, you know, I think what's going to happen with Back to the Future SLEs and it's going to be interesting. I think what's going to happen is, I think there might be a few, like, lotteries that happen to get your hands on one.
    62:20
    And to make it fair. You know, speaking of one of the distributors, I'll just be candid, Melissa, and like, you know, she's going to be the main dealer for this game. And, you know, what's so funny to me is, like, she earned it. Like, she earned it. Like, Chris and Melissa stood by Barry when nobody else did. They've made significant financial investments with this company when nobody else did. And they are now basically, there's just going to be a handful, like only two or three maybe, of people that actually have these games for sale.
    62:55
    You know, I think it's great. It's how life should be, man. You should look out for those that look out for you and you don't just get to come in. See, the thing is, like, I know, like, it's interesting because, like, you know, I've heard, like, it is, it's a true story that I was offered money by, like, Zach to, like, get him back to the futures. And, like, it's just like, bro, like, it is what it is, man. Like, you're doing great. You're not going to get everything. And it's not that, you know, Zach knows this. He doesn't need, like, you can't just have everything because you want it. And they don't need you just to make a single dollar. Like, he knows that. Like, Spooky doesn't need Zach to make a single dollar off of goods. They don't. I mean, they're going to hand him money. They don't need to, but they're going there. And they're going to do this. And it's not just Vag. It's every dealer. Like, when you have a game, you don't – when you have so much demand, you don't need someone to go find you a buyer.
    63:44
    You know, and, like, these back-to-the-futures are not even going to, like, need much maintenance because, you know, there's not much in them. No, I'm joking. Well, maybe not. We'll see.
    63:57
    Is Franchie here or is he usually here, like, denying all this? No way, this hobby dishes out losers no matter what the title. No innovation in mechs, it's not evolving. The time stands still in pinball innovation.
    64:18
    It may be better deal to just paint a standard cabinet and hire Franchi. Why don't they just charge 30k then?
    64:27
    Well, addicted to cockpits, here's the thing about life. You can't just, you can't, you can't just, like, give no secondhand value to your buyers on collectible items.
    64:43
    And, you know, you also want to build a, you know, I don't know, like, on some level, like, you've got to just be happy enough and not just be greedy. I mean, yeah, they could charge 50K if they wanted to, and they'd probably get it. That's what's crazy.
    64:58
    Okay, I'm just going to say it. If Dutch Pinball charged $50,000 for Back to the Future SLE, I think they could charge $50,000 if they only made $88,000 globally.
    65:10
    And also the total number of Back to the Future games was only like $1,000, like all in. But I think there is a point where even the Bill Brandes, this is the world, the Hectors and all my millionaire friends, you know who you are. You know, B, who's got, lives in an $8 million house, and Hemsden Hall is about buying a Sonic. No, that's Bond. Bond's, Bond's shifted now. He's not getting a Sonic now. He's like, he's all anti-JJP again. We had him for like 24 hours. He was in.
    65:44
    There just comes a point where you just don't see the value. Like, you just don't. It's not even about, like, whether you can afford it or not. Like, you just don't even, it's just, you just, you know you're getting robbed. And I always say this with every item. There comes a point where you want to feel like everyone looks at you like you were lucky to get one at that price. And then there's a price where everyone looks at you like you're a sucker for paying that price.
    66:11
    And I'll tell you this, no matter how rich you are, no matter how much money, no one wants to feel like that sucker.
    66:17
    That was what happened when people bought James Bond's 60th for $20,000. They all were suckers. And they were proven to be suckers because they literally lost $10,000.
    66:35
    Okay, so we are all suckers. I mean, anyone who listens to me speak from my closet about pinball on a Saturday morning, there's a word for us, right? It's probably worse than suckers. Okay, so you guys are the best today. I mean, I think we've raised about like 400 bucks. Like that's, you know, it's funny at work. There's literally kids that work for years and you never get a single. And I'm like, yeah, man, sometimes I go live. There's only 125 people here and like can raise $450. Imagine if there was like 1200 people, 10,000 people. Like this is why like our hobby is so damn small. What got Jody fired?
    67:48
    Blabbing for a while and I think there comes a moment when you've got to, you know, like what's that phrase? Loose lips sink ships. And, you know, in the pinball world now because getting a license is much more difficult now with all these boutiques and all these companies fighting each other for licenses. Like you really got to be very careful with how you talk to license holders and what information you leak out there. Because anything can blow up a deal.
    68:20
    And so here's what happened. So, yes, Barrels of Fun has the G.I. Joe license. Yes, they inked that deal with a U.K. division of the property.
    68:34
    And, yes, what I've heard is that Barrels of Fun will be making G.I. Joe. It is slated for 2028. Raise your hand if you don't care about what's coming out in 2028. It's like, that might as well be like 10 years from now. Like, well, I hope Barrels has enough cash flow to get to that. And they will if they make good games and licenses people want.
    68:57
    And stop with these stupid reserve clubs. Because David's like trying to, he's trying to monetize another Winchester moment. He just needs to let that moment be what it is and move on. Okay. Okay, but so Stern was poking around at the G.I. Joe license and obviously Stern knows Hasbro in America, you know, they just made a game called Transformers. And so as they were talking to Hasbro about G.I. Joe, even the Hasbro U.S. people were like a little confused as to how this license got handed over to a competitor of Stern's through a U.K. division. So, you know, Jody basically learns this and is trying to basically do what can happen, like steal this license out from underneath Barrels of Fun. And instead of just like playing his cards behind closed doors and acting professional, he went and leaked all of this information. Okay, he went and talked to people. This ended up on Maps Arcade and the person over at Hasbro saw that and was like, what the F is this?
    70:19
    Why is our private licensing conversation appearing on the front page of pinball media sites? And they were super pissed off. And they went to Seth. And there was a meeting with like Seth, Gary, and Jody. And they asked him, like, did you leak this? And that was a moment where Jody should have just, like, denied it, but he came clean and admitted to leaking it. And this was the week of Gary's birthday, so he was nervous, he was worried he was going to, and then, like, they didn't let him go on that Friday, but he walked in the next Monday and he was let go. I heard he's got a job already, so that's good. But, you know, you can't play those kinds of games.
    71:24
    You know, and like what he was trying to do, I think he was trying to sabotage the Barrels of Fun deal and using, you know, using the, it's just like it was a really sleazy move And he got caught, and Seth is done with this stuff.
    71:46
    And I agree with Seth's decision. You know how many deals can blow up if you act like that and you undermine every party involved?
    72:02
    So, you know, but Jody leaving, no one cares about. I mean, like, Jody had no impact on what really is plaguing Stern right now. What really is plaguing Stern right now is they slept on a lot of great themes they should have explored.
    72:24
    They continue to release games way too early. They've demoralized Jack Danger to the point where he doesn't even want to, like, design anymore. And they've got their best coder, Elizabeth, who's the next Lyman Sheets. We all know it. If not, like she is.
    72:48
    They've got one of the greatest coded games with Optimus who doesn't transform, which is killing all the sales. And I want a G1 Transformers. I love that property.
    73:08
    People won't get over it. People just won't get over it. And I know the team is demoralized by it. This isn't the game they wanted you to have.
    73:19
    And all that great software effort. The thing is, you've got guys, and I heard Ralph say this once, these newbies, they value the software more than the hardware, and they can get over that easily. I can't. I'm sorry, but if you're a Transformers fan, and you're spending $13,000 on a pinball machine, something better transform.
    73:48
    There's something in life called the non-negotiable. And if I'm doing a deal or I want to buy something, it's non-negotiable. Like, it has to have this. Like, that was number one on the non-negotiable list. Other things, unnegotiable, but that's non-negotiable. You're making Transformers, something has to transform. You know, and then Stern is coming at Cale, and Cale wrote, Cale knows the truth about what Optimus was supposed to do because people at Stern talked to him. I'm not exactly sure who. But, you know, it's hard because there are people inside that organization that are dying for help. Like, they want, they have no power, probably against leadership and the accountants and the bean counters and Seth and George who are, like, trying to, like, financially make sure, like, this thing keeps moving. And it has, you know, for it to keep moving, they need to make sure the manufacturing doesn't stop. So the 11th hour decision to yank out Optimus instead of making him work. I don't believe that there was nothing they could have done to make him work. I don't believe that. And I also don't believe that it wasn't fun.
    74:55
    So Kale writes that story about how awesome it was and, you know, from people who saw it and experienced it. You know what I really want? I want, there's got to be someone who just quit Stern or left Stern or got fired from Stern.
    75:09
    I want to see, someone's got to have video. Somewhere out there, right, Fievel, somewhere out there, someone's got to have video of Optimist Transforming and just like, like, just, just email it to me anonymously through Gmail, kanedapinball.gmail.com.
    75:30
    I will get it out there. I will not, you know, there'll be no paper trail. Somewhere out there it exists. Thanks for watching. Right back to a mistake of remaking ACDC, the same Steve Ritchie game, John Borg is going to tweak it. That's not the solution.
    76:15
    You know, Stern's in a place now where they should only make two cornerstones a year, and they should have everybody, they should have just like their best people on it. So Elizabeth with Elwin, you know, Elwin and his team, and then Elizabeth, I don't know, I kind of feel like, I don't know, Brian Eddy's Dracula is going to land flat.
    76:37
    John Borg, I mean, John, I mean, I mean, like, you know, hasn't had a hit in such a long time. If it were me, and I was Seth, and I'm just going to say this because I think this is what they need to do. So, I would only have two major teams led by two people, oversight by George helping out every now and then. Two major cornerstone games. If you want to do a third something, want Brian to jerk around with a Dracula in the bathroom, fine, let him do that. But two major cornerstones, okay? And then I would do one major re-release of a game that is in demand, okay? This would be my advice to Seth. Enough of this. You're going to sell more Godzillas than you are of John Wick and D&D and Venoms combined. So if we aim for two major cornerstones, the line will keep going because the orders will keep coming in.
    77:45
    One design team with Elwin and Ray Day and his team over there, like Nagel, like all those guys, like whatever Elwin's team is. That's design team number one.
    77:58
    Design team number two is Elizabeth and Jack Danger and their whole posse and crew, right? These are our gods, right? These are our deities, deities, whatever you say. These are our two people that should be driving two bangers a year. Each of you will have all the resources, all the bomb, everything you need to make each game better than the last. We're going to make sure we get the themes right. Can you imagine? Like, imagine Keefe Ellwin on Star Wars and Jack Danger, really Jack Danger, on Pokemon with Elizabeth. And that's it. That's it.
    78:42
    A Keefe Ellwin Star Wars and a Jack Danger Pokemon done properly, done right, right? Both of them, both of those big IPs, those are the two biggest IPs Stern put out in the world ever, and they've kind of fucked them both up.
    79:00
    And neither of them really had, truly had Jack Danger on it, and neither had Eilwin ever on any of the big ones.
    79:07
    So I would do that, and then I would remake Tron. Oh man, best year ever right there. Okay, that's this year. Then we do the same thing, same two guys, same two next year.
    79:19
    And then we bring back Lord of the Rings. And then the year after that, the remake is Ghostbusters. Boom, thousands sold with improvements. Then we bring back Batman 66.
    79:35
    I just, you know, and again, like, you know, instead, nobody wants more ACDCs. Nobody wanted more Walking Deads.
    79:45
    The other thing Stern has idiotically missed the whole boat on is the SLE. They invented the SLE. They invented the SLE market, and then they did not support it. They did not make it consistent, and now they look like idiots. The other thing is this, and again, I'm just giving advice because they should watch this. Your LEs need an exclusive, everything on the LE needs to be exclusive from the head to the toe. Everything.
    80:18
    Art blades, topper, shooter rods, the lighting system, the expression lighting systems on the rails of the armor. Everything that is on an LE, I don't want to see any of these enhancements available elsewhere. If we don't give our LE buyers... If Pokemon LE had the fish as an exclusive to the 750 Pokemon LEs, those games stay high forever.
    80:51
    But by doing what they've done, and they've completely treated LE buyers like idiots, like the loser edition, the LE buyers continue to lose the most money out of everybody.
    81:03
    And that's on Stern. And they've done nothing in the marketing department to understand these are simple fundamentals of how you create sustainable long-term value.
    81:14
    And again, I went in there, I talked to them, and you know, I love pinball more than, I don't even know the CMO's name to be honest. I should, is it Dan or Mark or something like that? He doesn't love pinball. He took a job.
    81:29
    He's a cool dude, I heard, but he's also like, yeah, man, he's like, I don't know. Kym's from video games, comes from wrestling. He's just probably like, what the hell is happening here?
    81:38
    He's probably like a partnership guy. He's not in it with us. The chief marketing officer of the world's biggest pinball company needs to be in it with the people.
    81:57
    You guys enjoyed the show? I really enjoyed today's show. I think standing up helps. I think not having the headset on. I prefer doing these without the headset. Is it okay? Does it sound good? I know it sounds probably a little bit better with the mic, but it's not too bad with this mic, right?
    82:22
    It's great? Okay. All right. So, yeah, that's the other thing, right? How many of you have visited Stern Pinball?
    82:30
    Ohio State had ruined it. How many of you have visited Pinball, Stern Pinball? Like, yeah, I mean, they have too many desk jobs and people doing what?
    82:41
    Ozzy, do you have a question? Ozzy, oh, you're just saying you visited Stern. Yeah, when you walk into Stern, you're immediately like, this is too big. This is way too much room. This is way, and they don't own the building. So they're leasing that building and they're renting it out. But you see all these people and you're like, what is that dude doing?
    83:02
    You know, I used to walk into the president of my company's office and we see like a sea of people. And I'm just like, what are they doing today? Like, I know exactly who our main clients are. I know exactly what's in play. What is that person doing today? Now, our industry only makes money because people are the resource. We only make money because we bill hours. So that's what those people are doing. They're just, I don't know, there's some busy work they're doing and they're billing clients for it. And that's why you, Chris, can walk in here wearing Gucci because they're keeping the lights on while you're daydreaming about what the next big idea could be. Thank you for watching. The ambiguity of it all. I hate, and I do, I don't really hate much, but I hate feeling like, I hate not having all the information that I should have as a consumer. And this is just David trying to like move the goalposts and being able to like change the supply depending on the demand because he doesn't trust his own abilities to set the right number. And because he's been wrong time and time again. And that's what's funny about it. Like he's overestimated the demand for Labyrinth and Dune and then he underestimated the demand for Winchester. So he's like so insecure.
    85:00
    And that's what the reserve program is all about. It's to relieve him of his insecurities. So now he can never be wrong. And I don like that because now you know who left holding the bag are the buyers So you going to tell me that if you say you only making 500 of these Winchesters 525 and then I order one and then now there's a seven-day period where you might make another 500?
    85:30
    Because what I don't trust and I don't believe them is I don't know how many Reserve Club members there are. Do you? So he's going to say, well, we got 500 additional reserve club member orders. Bullshit.
    85:43
    Bullshit. Because we don't know how many club members there are. We don't know what. So he could just see a spike in demand because people might think there's only 500. And then he could just say, OK, we're going to make we're going to make a thousand now because we got 500 more orders. And then all those initial 500 people are screwed on their value because now double will be in the marketplace. And then here's what David can do. He can just say he's going to make 1,200 Winchesters and nothing you can do. Your original deposit is nonrefundable. And then he doesn't even have to make all them. But he can just say he got that many orders. He's not going to be transparent because there's no transparency to any of it. That's why I don't like it. I think the whole thing is set up where consumers have all the risk. He has, it's eliminating all risk from him.
    86:36
    If he, you know, it'd be like if Stern, the 750 Pokemon LEs, oh, you know, David is so mad that Spooky did show games and made an additional, let's face it, Spooky made more than 80 show games. Everybody knows it, right? Everybody knows it. So they made, let's just say they made 100 show games. That was like an additional million dollars. Thank you for watching. But all this reserve program is, it's like David trying to find like a middle ground way to do the same exact thing. It's all he's doing.
    87:45
    There weren't 500 show games. It wasn't that many. That's ridiculous. Is there anything I could do better?
    87:56
    And I mean this. I'm being honest. And be honest with me, because I feel like lately I've gotten a little bit aggressive against some of the other content creators that I've been a little bit like, you know, I feel like they need a little shoulder nudge. Like, we've been doing this for over 10 years. You just can't come in here and now, like, you know, act like it's your turf. You've got to earn it. And some of them are. Some of them aren't. But is there anything I could do better as a content creator for all of you? Is there anything you'd like to see more of? Obviously, interviews, that's the hardest thing to do and find the time and get those up. But is there anything?
    88:34
    The show is better than ever. Hector, thank you so much. What else we got here? Yes, a lot of pods and lives are the same topic over and over. We need to let things breathe a bit. I agree. Pete, man, thank you, brother. Another $100 from Pete Rosen. Damn, man. You're going to get due interviews. I agree, Ozzy. I will get that. Yes, yes. Don't do it. Don't need interviews. Why? Thank you. I mean, why put a number on the games you produce? Do you like... Yeah, look, I'm fine if Barrels just wants to say we're making, you know, here's Winchester. There's no limit. If you want it, order it. Problem is, if he did that, he never would have sold 525. Not right away like he did. And then he would have been nervous. The thing about David is this, and I wish David would just, I wish I could just hang out with David for like a weekend and give the dude some swagger. The dude's got no swagger, self-esteem, like, he doesn't have the confidence of a Sicilian Greek like me. He needs to just not be insecure about what he's making. He just needs to, like, be confident in it and make good decisions, and he'll be fine.
    89:44
    And he knows, and like, I just don't think he knows that yet. And these things are shenanigans. The pinball at the sea is a shenanigan. These are shenanigans. These are Bush League marketing ideas. I don't care that they're doing them. They're not hurting anybody. He's not making anybody do this. But you actually think there's anybody on planet Earth that is going to have a hard time getting a barrels game on day one? These companies aren't blasting everybody with paid media on Facebook the way Sern and JJP are. You'll know. You'll know because you'll listen to me. You'll know. You'll be ready. So you don't need these shenanigans.
    90:26
    Let's hear you interview David Van Ness and Seth Davis. I'll aim for that. I think that's a good goal, Kaz. Stay critical in a positive way. Reno, thank you. I agree. I think this show is a good example of that. I think everything we've discussed has been very thought-provoking, and it's like an analysis of our hobby in a way that's not negative. I'm not slandering anybody. Record gameplay with a commentary review.
    90:52
    Evan, I'm not doing that. I will never be a gameplay streamer. You know, Jack Danger's the best at that, but I'm not going to be like – there's so many people that do that, And I do find pinball gameplay videos to be the worst content on the planet. I think watching people play pinball is utterly boring and dull. I think the point of view that you have to shoot at is all wrong. Look how bad the sonic streams make the game look in comparison to what it probably feels like to stand over it. It's just not my thing. It's just not my thing.
    91:28
    Leave the interviews to others. You told people to stay on the sidelines for Winchester and called it wrong. Better get next barrels right.
    91:37
    I did not say that, JC. I did not. JC, I remember intimately my response to Winchester, and I did not tell people to wait and see on Winchester. Sperry Pint, Boreal. You know, I was shocked when it sold out.
    92:40
    Well, like, I feel bad for you, JC, because the amount of content I put up, the prolific amount of content I put up, it's going to take you hours to find whatever sound clip you're looking for. And trust me, you know, I would love to hear it. What can you do better? Emit the French word banger from your pinball vocabulary. It's as bad as calling a pinball machine a table. Apart from that, your observations are insightful. Thank you. A banger. I know. It's like we've been having some fun lately going over all the ridiculous pinball terminology. Do you think Barrels will do another run of Winchester? Of course not. Fritz, come on. No, they won't do that.
    93:21
    Gang, look. Have an amazing Saturday. The game slaps. It's going to be, look, I think this is going to be an interesting week because I think what's coming this week, what's coming this week is going to be a lot more sonic feedback.
    93:40
    And I think we're going to get a lot of opinions about the game. I'm going to play the game. I will encourage each and every one of you to, when you hear feedback, because you heard my Beetlejuice my first play, like, it's a lot of fun playing a sexy new pinball machine for the first time.
    94:02
    For lack of a better analogy, it is like sleeping with a hot chick for the first time and it's great.
    94:08
    Might be great for a month. Thank you for watching. And that's why I say it is way too early to know that on Sonic.
    94:46
    We know on Pokemon, it's like, yeah, there's no death right now. Transformers, I think it's got death, but like, yeah. Transformers with Optimus not transforming is like,
    94:59
    again, lack of a better analogy, I don't know why I'm using all these sexual metaphors. Only Transformers would be like if someone told you,
    95:10
    You could have this beautiful woman for the rest of your life, but you always have to wear a condom.
    95:18
    You're like, oh man, that's like Optimus not transforming. You're like, oh, oh, oh, oh no, I gotta, I, oh, ooh. Even after you marry her, you gotta keep it on.
    95:38
    It's gotta be like this forever. Hmm. Hmm. Guys, life is very short. I had lunch with my father. He's hanging in there. It's feeling like, you know, these days have been... I'll say I feel with the good vibes of the Knicks winning of the World Cup, global politics aside, I feel like the world's getting a little bit back to wanting to be in a good mood more often. And I think we're going to more and more we're going to like ignore all the crap on the news and the media and social media and all the negativity out there, all the people that make you want to feel bad every day. I encourage each and every one of you to take care of yourselves, your bodies, your mind. Take care of your families. Take care of the priorities that are important to you and go USA for sure. I love this country. I love everything this country has given us. I think anyone who hates this country, just get out. Leave.
    96:42
    My in-laws are coming from Ireland. You want to talk about a country that has handed that country over. They've handed it over. They're taking care of other people before their own people. And look, America is a melting pot. We're everybody, man. That's why it makes no sense to like, like at this point, like you can't be like anti people coming from other places, but it's not even about that. It's just like America's a land of opportunity. Why do you think people are coming here? You know what I'm saying? They're coming there. If you have a good idea and you work hard and you see it through, you can't tell me that there's anywhere else in the world that you'd rather be. Thank you for watching. No, it's just okay to be a dude again. Because, you know, we're like, oh man, they're kind of fun. It's kind of fun when we let men just be men and boys be boys.
    97:58
    To be honest, Ozzy, don't get on the cruise, man. Don't get on the cruise. Hans, come on, man. It's like, when people say less of this, it's like, I love Democrats. I love Republicans. I love because I most Democrats and most Republicans are moderate. You understand? Everyone understands this. It's like it's weird when it's like saying I love the USA does not mean I I'm like a Republican.
    98:31
    This is like if I could give one advice to my Democratic buddies and friends, the Democratic Party needs to love America again. MAGA is not love America. Like love America is just love the USA. Anyway.
    98:50
    All right, Ozzy, man. Ozzy, you should just, dude, Ozzy, you should just go there and be like, yo, David, man, Chico, what's going on with this slack reserve club, baby? Kanae. Like, Ozzy, Ozzy, we should both go on, man. We should just go on and, like, throw a Winchester into the ocean, you know? Like, yo, you get the front, I'll get the back. Let's do this, guys.
    99:14
    We're going to have 18 pina coladas. Let's put it on the Van Ness tab and yo, Ozzy, get the front of this thing. Let's lift it. 524, chicos.
    99:25
    That would be so... Wait, we should do like an NWO. We roll in, Ozzy, you and me, like, be like, for life. You're like, our goal is to make it so there's only 524 Winchesters in the world. Yo, like, we'll be like Hall and Nash. Yo, like, you know, like Razor Ramon, I'm like with a toothpick. Hey, yo, Chico, David Van Ness. Nah, man, David Van Ness. Let's do this. Boom, just diamond cut him. Like, see, like, you can't even talk. Like, who else is like, you're like, Ralph's like, oh, does Steve even know I'm here? Does Steve even know I'm here?
    100:04
    Come on, Ralph. Ralph, man, you know you can do better, baby. If I did that, Ralph, if I made a video like that, I would want you to make fun of me too, man. Does Steve even know I'm here? Here's a notebook. It says go after, what is this? What is this?
    100:22
    Yeah, we all, dude, now I kind of like the opposite. Like the whole Kaneda Club, we should make this Kaneda at sea. Like we should, the whole Kaneda Club should plan to like hijack this moment. Like, you know, it's like David's in his room with like six dudes in cargo shorts with the mic being like, I want to thank you for joining the Barrels Reserve Club. And then all of a sudden you hear, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. Like, it's just like all of us just start walking and like this, hey, hey, chicos, look at who it is. It's the Barrels Reserve Club. And it's like a hundred of us just strong. Look at you guys. You're playing pinball or we're drinking pina coladas. It would be amazing. It'd be amazing. They'd be like so scared.
    101:08
    I love how there's things that are only for, there's exclusive only for the Reserve Club members. Like, come on, man. What is that?
    101:20
    The band Kaneda Speedo? But you guys get it. Do you ever feel like we can't, there's not enough joking and jabbing and just being freaking loser dudes like we are? There's just too much. They take themselves so seriously. We would legit walk in there like NWO.
    101:39
    You know? I just grew up with all that stuff. The backstage backstabbing and beatdowns. It was amazing. That's what we need a little bit more of.
    101:54
    We need to do a Kaneda Army. What should we do? Huh. I think, I think, hey, Hector, I know a cruise ship leaving June, June 27, 2027. I think we get on that, baby. Hey, David, yo, yo, look at this guy. It's just all us feather boas, hot chicks. We're like, yo, this guy made Labyrinth, baby. This guy made Labyrinth. Let's do this. Sperry Pint, Evel Dead, J.B. Thank you for watching. Like, oh yeah, we had the boombox, the ladies, it'd just be amazing. It's amazing. Let's do it, baby. I feel it. You guys feel, I feel like energized. I'm like, let's go. Let's go. Right now, he's like, well, Kanae on the show today said he's gonna bring his entire army and hijack the ship and throw a Winchester overboard. I wonder if these pinball companies actually have someone summarizing the content of my shows. I don't think they care. It would be funny to think about that. That's an actual thing. He said he was going to take a labyrinth topper, break it over his knee, and hand you back the heads of the figures and call you Chico as he throws a toothpick in your face. Huh. Oh, man. Yeah, we need to hold David at the front of the Titanic like, you know, like Jack and Rose. That'd be amazing. Yeah, no, it's, it's, you know what I think? You know what I think is spawning all of this? I just think David and his family were going on this cruise regardless. I do. I, I, I, I think they're cruisers. I've seen, you know, he's got a beautiful family. I saw them all wearing the same outfits. Like that, that's a, that's an adorable thing. I mean, I love doing that too, but I think they were just going on this cruise to begin with. And he's like, well, let's just open it up for everybody. And you know, because you can't like really sit in a boardroom when you think about it, You can't really sit in a boardroom and you're trying to figure out how to galvanize your brand's, like, buyers and, you know, pinball is a sport that doesn't do well in the ocean. You can't be like, what should we do? What should we do to, like, you know, a fun perk to put out there? You know, like, you can't imagine, like, nothing, no AI would ever kick back this strategy of, like, you know what we should do?
    105:01
    We should take pinball shows to the ocean. Thank you for watching. And a whole lot more. Can you imagine? My job, I would lose my job in the moment I walked into a client meeting. I'm like, Chris, what are we going to do? Well, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. And a whole lot more.
    105:51
    What? Chico, what? Like, you asking people to commit like $3,000 to $5,000 and you don't even know what those things are yet. Bumper cars? Thank you for watching. It's like Jamie, Kale, and Ralph, like 90 minutes, like a guy, like what, like they need more like this. No script, no nothing. Even Jamie's like, dude, I can't do this, man. I love Jamie, but he'll call me up. He's like, dude, I can't do what you do.
    106:44
    I don't even know what you're going to say next. I don't even know like why I find it entertaining, but I can't do it. I can't, I just can't do it. I need to get these two guys. I mean, I need a round table and I don't even need to, he's like, Kenaida, I don't even think the table's round. It's more oval. Like, it's just, I don't know. It's just something people say.
    107:01
    You know, we're going to talk for 90 minutes. You're going to make more money than we do in 20 minutes.
    107:08
    We're going to get less views unless we talk about you. And, you know, the whole thing is kind of deflating. But, you know.
    107:18
    You're the Cristiano Ronaldo of Pimmo's. Amazing, baby. Non-drinking Kaneda is fire. No, it's true, man. It's true. Kale, you're right. You feel it, right? Kale, you feel it, right? Like, I'm sharper. Like, I'm on, man. Like, normally, I would be doing this show, like, maybe a little hungover, a little groggy, a little foggy. They don't want me clear, Cal. They don't want me clear. Jamie's amazing.
    107:43
    Jamie's amazing, but he's always got to defend, you know. He's like, I feel like Jamie, even Jamie today is probably like, maybe I should get on that cruise.
    107:53
    Cal, we should go on that cruise. You know what I'm saying? Like, with Ozzy, Pete Rosen, Hector, Frank Mack, like, we just all got to go on and be like, but like, but like, we should go on and like, don't even like bother with any of the barrels activities. Be like, we'll just like be in the peripheral, like all but just smoking cigars. Just what's going on over there?
    108:19
    Yo, Kel, check it out, man. Looks like a couple of pinball cargo short guys walking around the deck. Let's go talk to them. And then, boom, just diamond cut them. Just diamond cut them. You can't walk around our cruise with those cargo shorts on.
    108:37
    No, Jamie is awesome, man. Jamie's the best. You got, like, here's the thing about Jamie. Jamie wasn't always the best, and he knows this. Because he, like, him and I, like, we had a moment where we broke. And this is the moment that Ralph needs to come to with Kaneda. And it's true. And it's more like he needs to come to this with himself. Like, you need to reach the point where you're just ready to fight.
    109:03
    And then you realize how stupid it all is. And once you reach that point and you cross the Rubicon to common sense. See, that's what Jamie and I, I remember it. Like, it was just that we were like, ah, I'm going to kick you out. And he's like, bro, like, what the hell? We're just a couple of cool, hot-headed New Yorkers. And now we just don't get it. Like, we don't, like, we're just like, yeah, it's all funny, man. It's all stupid. Like, once you realize it's all stupid, that these guys had an award show in 45 minutes of technical glitches. It's like, we don't know what we're doing. We're all just a bunch of dingbats. Like, you know what's funny, man? I saw, there was a dude on Patreon. If this doesn't make Ralph, like, realize it's all so stupid, bro. Like, Steve knows you're there, man. Like, don't try to fake that you're opening the door to Jersey Jack. He knows you're there. Like, this skit's stupid. It was a stupid skit. AI could have wrote a better scenario to get people excited. Anyway, this was like the most humbling thing. I literally got served up a piece of content from a guy who's got, I want to say, three times as many subscribers as me, and I don't even have many. And you know what he does? He does balloon sculptures. The dude does balloon sculptures, has 3,000 subscribers at $3 of the entry level, but he does balloon sculptures.
    110:31
    And I'm here like, a dude doing balloon sculptures of pools is more popular than pinball. If that doesn't level set all of us of what, like, this is this big.
    110:53
    And I'm going to leave you with this statement. Content creators that say their job is to grow pinball, every time they say that, their pee-pee gets small. It's true. It's scientifically proven. When you say, I'm here to grow pinball, your ding-dong gets smaller. It's just the way it goes. Okay? Everybody, happy Saturday. This has been great.
    111:19
    Any more money want to come in? My in-law's like, what's he doing? What is he doing? Who did our daughter marry? Imagine hearing this through the door. You're like, what the? What is going on? The dude's got Mickey Mouse Gucci suitcases.
    111:37
    Two of them. Stupid. Stupid. I buy some stupid stuff. That's why when people are like, well, yeah, you complain about toppers, but you buy $300 t-shirts. I'm like, oh, you know, I mean, man, I look good in those t-shirts. Those toppers look stupid. It's good, right? It's good. It was a good, it was a good, it was the post 90 minute. See, now people have to watch for two hours. Oh, man, it's the other. But Kaneda went over, and it was actually really funny. After the 90-minute mark, he's not drinking right now, and he's extra hilarious, and he's threatening to hijack the cruise.
    112:17
    All right, guys, love you. Love you guys on Facebook, but I just have to say, you guys on Facebook, you suck. You've donated nothing. There we go. We just got 500 from Ted. Ted, thank you.
    112:30
    Look, Facebook used to be, look at these arrows are going everywhere. It's like amazing. It's amazing. I wish YouTube had more of like the filters the way Facebook can, you can like, you can put like funny noses and ears on me and people pay to see me look like a clown, even though I make myself look like a clown to begin with. The round table goes for 2.5 hours.
    112:48
    Oh my God. It's amazing. The hell are they talking about? It's too much, man. It's too much. Can't do it. I said I'm going to join them and make it the square table. We'll do it. I would be, if I joined the round table, it would be the most watched. And Jamie knows this. Cale knows this. Ralph knows this. If Kaneda joined the round table, Ozzy's giving stars on Facebook now.
    113:14
    If Kaneda joined the round table, I guarantee you it would be the most watched round table ever. And they know it. That's why I don't get the invite. It's not Jamie that doesn't want me. It's not Cal.
    113:30
    Retro.