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Classic Pinball Podcast Thanksgiving episode rates Bally games as "turkeys" and explores El Toro restoration.
El Toro is a rare game with only slightly over 2,000 units produced
high confidence · George during El Toro gameplay segment: 'this was built i guess in 72 this uh they only made 2 000 a little over 2 000 units'
El Toro has 30,000 original plays recorded on its counter
high confidence · Dave during restoration discussion: 'It has 30,000 original plays on it'
Early 1970s Bally games featured a unique glass-and-playfield lift design with A-frame arms
high confidence · Dave explaining El Toro's mechanism: 'This thing comes up like a big giant that's glassed in the slide out. This comes up like this, and the play field comes up, and they all kind of angle up'
Modern pinball games have overly complex rule sets that discourage casual play
high confidence · George's repeated complaint: 'modern games is like way too deep deep deep rule sets' and 'I don't want to be thinking about stuff'
The Mandalorian topper costs approximately $2,000-$3,000
medium confidence · George discussing episode #20: 'we did a show on toppers more expensive than pinballs the toppers the new topper for mandalore three grand oh you're close come on two thousand dollars'
Jim Patla designed El Toro and used similar design elements like top lane guides in other games like Kiss
medium confidence · George analyzing the game: 'Jim Patla made this game. He did the design... all those lanes at the top there there's multiple... lanes set with with all those white lane guides at the top he also did kiss all lane guides at the top'
Mushroom bumpers were discontinued after the early 1970s due to maintenance complexity
medium confidence · Dave explaining why: 'underneath each one of these mushroom caps... there's a rubber underneath... a real b to replace that you have to unhook a small e-clip at the bottom which probably went away which you can easily lose and a spring'
El Toro's coin door was a notable early innovation featuring slots for nickels, dimes, and quarters
“I don't like thinking when I'm playing pinball. I want it to be more reactionary and kind of maybe one or two chess moves ahead, not like 19.”
George @ Turkey or Not segment - Spectrum discussion — Expresses core design philosophy preference: simple, reaction-based gameplay over complex rule sets
“People have more money than cents. I don't blame Stern. If you get suckers coming over they're going to buy that thing.”
George @ Modern games segment - Mandalorian topper discussion — Critiques high-priced modern accessories and manufacturer pricing strategy
“El Toro... there's nothing. It is the only game in a pub for miles around and it is the pinball machine. Guess what you're going to play it because if you want to play pinball you're going to play this game.”
George @ El Toro segment - 'Desert Rose' nickname explanation — Explains why lesser games get played (lack of competition in venues)
“It's almost like no one played this game, George. Stop broughting it in!”
Dave @ El Toro restoration discussion — Humorous comment about the pristine condition of the restored machine despite 30,000 recorded plays
“Tread very carefully. Underneath is a little E-clip that holds each one of these things, these bumpers on there. Then try to put them back on and the spring and the thing on there. The first thing is, look at the Eclipse, and then look in your parts box. Do I have one?”
Dave @ El Toro segment - mushroom bumper maintenance — Practical wisdom about restoration challenges with early Bally games
“You don't crank them down gorilla tight you do them just snug so you don't crush the freaking brass thing in the middle there because it'll sound like crap.”
George @ El Toro segment - chime box restoration — Technical restoration advice for maintaining original sound quality
“I'm going to modify this back. I'm going to alternate translate. It's going to be the Mexican Weather Girl as the back glass. It'll turn heads.”
gameplay_signal: George repeatedly criticizes modern game complexity, preferring simple reactive gameplay over deep rule sets requiring QR code consultation
high · George: 'I don't like thinking when I'm playing pinball... I want it to be more reactionary' and 'I want to relax and play pinball. I don't want to be thinking about stuff'
sentiment_shift: Consistently negative assessment of modern Stern games (Halloween, Legends of Valhalla, Toy Story, Mandalorian, TMNT, Guardians, Iron Maiden rated as turkeys)
high · 10-game modern segment with 8+ games rated as turkeys; only Deadpool and Rush given consideration
competitive_signal: Rush gaining traction with elite tournament players (Carl D'Angelo, Tom Graff discussed it); Ray Davidson trying to recruit show coverage
medium · George: 'this game is becoming very popular among the elite pinball tournament players out there. I listened to a recent podcast where Carl D'Angelo was talking about it. Tom Graff... talked about it.'
market_signal: Mandalorian topper priced at $2,000-3,000; George notes this exceeds typical machine purchase price
high · George discussing Mandalorian topper cost: 'two thousand dollars oh i definitely buy spend the money on that' and 'every pinball I ever bought was under that price'
design_innovation: Early 1970s Bally machines featured distinctive glass-and-playfield lift mechanism with A-frame supports; unique flipper assembly design
high · Dave explaining El Toro mechanism: glass and playfield lift together on A-frame arms; flipper assemblies have thinner rods with Teflon inserts
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high confidence · George discussing the coin door: 'the one thing the brochure kept touting... was the new enhanced coin door... it has a coin slot for quarters it has one for dimes as well as nickel'
Ray Davidson (presumably a tournament player or industry figure) requested the hosts do a show on Rush
medium confidence · George: 'This is the giveaway, Dave. Ray Davidson is looking for you to do a show on. So number 10 is Rush.'
Carl D'Angelo and Tom Graff have discussed Rush on podcasts as popular among elite tournament players
medium confidence · George: 'this game is becoming very popular among the elite pinball tournament players out there. I listened to a recent podcast where Carl D'Angelo was talking about it. Tom Graff, who is also another podcaster, talked about it.'
Dave @ El Toro segment - future modification plans — Reveals planned custom art modification for the machine
restoration_signal: Mushroom bumper maintenance requires careful E-clip handling to avoid loss; easy-to-lose small parts endemic to early Bally design
high · Dave: 'Tread very carefully. Underneath is a little E-clip... The first thing is, look at the Eclipse, and then look in your parts box. Do I have one?'
machine_intel: El Toro considered rare and valuable restoration subject despite being called 'Desert Rose' and 'Snooze Fest' by casual players; Dave invested significant effort in restoration
high · Dave: 'It was mine. It was mine. I liked it a lot... It's going out back' after restoration with new parts, LEDs, chime work
community_signal: Growing pinball podcast ecosystem; multiple shows (Carl D'Angelo, Tom Graff, Ray Davidson) discussing competitive games; audience engagement appears limited but present
medium · George: 'I listened to a recent podcast where Carl D'Angelo was talking about it. Tom Graff, who is also another podcaster, talked about it' and complaints about lack of audience correspondence
design_philosophy: Tension between casual/location players (George/Dave perspective) preferring simple accessible games vs. tournament elite valuing complex rule depth
high · George's repeated criticism of modern game depth contrasts with Ray Davidson's interest in Rush for tournament players
product_strategy: Stern pursuing premium product strategy with expensive toppers ($2,000+); George suggests targeting affluent consumers willing to pay regardless of value
medium · George: 'People have more money than cents. I don't blame Stern. If you get suckers coming over they're going to buy that thing.'
venue_signal: Venues often feature limited pinball selection; players forced to play 'Desert Rose' games due to lack of alternatives
medium · George explaining El Toro appeal: 'It is the only game in a pub for miles around and it is the pinball machine. Guess what you're going to play it'