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Toy Story 4 Life

This Flippin' Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 26m·analyzed·Jun 15, 2022
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TL;DR

Toy Story 4 pinball announcement breakdown with gameplay analysis and industry pricing reaction.

Summary

Tommy and Taylor of This Flippin' Podcast discuss the newly announced Toy Story 4 pinball machine by Jersey Jack Pinball. They analyze the game's layout, mechanics (jump ramp with pop-up posts, spinning disc, upper playfield, carnival-themed modes), and pricing ($12,000 LE, $15,000 CE), while also sharing life updates about Tommy's impending fatherhood and reflections on Toy Story's cultural impact across generations.

Key Claims

  • Toy Story 4 CE units were sold out via distributors and Jersey Jack before the announcement went live

    medium confidence · Tommy stating this as a 'big rumor going around, as of this morning'

  • At least three people canceled Toy Story 4 CE orders after seeing the game and the $15,000 price tag

    medium confidence · Tommy's direct observation: 'I know of at least three people who canceled their orders this morning after seeing the game'

  • Toy Story 4 was initially rumored to release before Guns and Roses and around the Buzz Lightyear film release

    low confidence · Tommy speculating on past rumors: 'I remember hearing this a long time ago, and I don't know by any means what of it is true'

  • The Toy Story 4 game only includes content from Toy Story 4, not the full franchise

    high confidence · Tommy directly comparing to Pirates of the Caribbean: 'Toy Story is like, nah, we're just part four. Fuck everything that came before this'

  • The Toy Story 4 CE includes a topper that is not included in the LE version

    high confidence · Tommy observing: 'the collector's edition is the red one the limited edition is the blue one uh looks like a collector's edition has a topper on it'

  • Toy Story 1 was released in 1995

    high confidence · Taylor confirming: 'It's 95'

  • Finding Nemo was released in 2003

    high confidence · Tommy calculating: 'That would have been 2003 for Finding Nemo'

  • Tommy is scheduled to be induced for the birth in 6 days (next Monday at 7 a.m.)

    high confidence · Tommy stating: 'we're gonna have a kid in six days, no matter what. We're scheduled to go in at like 7 a.m. next Monday'

Notable Quotes

  • “Toy Story is like, nah, we're just part four. Fuck everything that came before this.”

    Tommy @ ~15:30 — Core criticism of the game's thematic scope — only drawing from Toy Story 4 rather than the full franchise

  • “How is there not a claw machine in this game? That's the iconic Toy Story scene.”

    Tommy @ ~28:00 — Major design disappointment regarding missing iconic mechanic; iPad mini substituted instead

  • “I'm just realistic. When I'm playing pinball, I'm not looking at the screen. I've owned WrestleMania and Star Wars that both have LCD screens on the playfield... and like i struggle to look at them while i'm playing.”

    Taylor @ ~31:00 — Critical perspective on LCD playfield integration — player experience concern about screen-based mechanics

  • “The cost is prohibitive for any... the market audience for this game would be parents who like raise their children watching this movie”

    Tommy @ ~24:00 — Analysis of target demographic and price-point implications for market accessibility

  • “By the next time you guys hear us, I'll probably be a dad. And we'll have all sorts of other stuff to talk about.”

    Tommy @ ~1:00 — Personal milestone announcement framing the episode context

  • “I know I'm looking at the topper and I mean it doesn't look like it's anything that great like how do you not include that in the twelve thousand dollar version”

    Tommy @ ~54:00 — Criticism of product segmentation strategy and pricing justification

  • “Toy Story, I think, just resonates. I was roughly 9 or 10 when it came out and my parents took me. So it's like this shared experience.”

    Tommy @ ~19:00 — Generational attachment analysis; childhood nostalgia vs. adult viewing perspective

Entities

TommypersonTaylorpersonJersey Jack PinballcompanyToy Story 4gameThis Week in PinballorganizationAlissapersonPixarcompanyLawlerpersonBuzz Lightyearproduct

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: Jersey Jack Pinball officially announced Toy Story 4 pinball machine with two tier models (LE $12,000, CE $15,000)

    high · Tommy and Taylor reviewing official artwork, rule sheet, and price points from This Week in Pinball; game specifications confirmed

  • ?

    product_concern: Hosts identify missing claw machine mechanic as critical design oversight — iconic Toy Story moment absent despite designer expectations

    high · Tommy: 'How is there not a claw machine in this game?' and 'I literally said that to somebody the other day'; expected claw mechanism substituted with iPad mini

  • ?

    product_concern: LCD screen/iPad mini on playfield raises usability concerns; hosts reference negative experiences with screen-based mechanics in previous games

    high · Taylor: 'I've owned WrestleMania and Star Wars that both have LCD screens on the playfield... and like i struggle to look at them while i'm playing'

  • $

    market_signal: Post-announcement order cancellations observed due to pricing and design concerns; CE units rumored sold out to distributors pre-announcement

    medium · Tommy: 'I know of at least three people who canceled their orders this morning after seeing the game and the official price tag' and 'the CEs were sold out via distributors and Jersey Jack really before the announcement even went live'

  • ?

    product_strategy: CE ($15K) includes physical topper not included in LE ($12K); minimal apparent differentiation justifies large price delta

    high · Tommy: 'how do you not include that in the twelve thousand dollar version like how much does that cost to make twenty five dollars'

Transcript

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0:00
Hey, what's up guys? This is Tommy of This is the Flippin' Podcast. Taylor and I sat down today to talk and record about Toy Story 4 and give you a little bit of some life updates. We forgot to do our usual intro that you would get from us, but this is episode 119. And hopefully you guys enjoy. So we'll talk to you all soon. Enjoy the episode. And by the next time you guys hear us, I'll probably be a dad. And we'll have all sorts of other stuff to talk about. Love you all. Talk to you later. Bye.
0:58
It's me and you, boy. And as the years go by, our friendship will never end. So, how are you doing, man? You guys are on the verge of death. Yeah, we're going to have a kid in six days, no matter what. Dude, that is so crazy. Yeah, if it doesn't come before that, you know. So, six days is the latest. We're scheduled to go in at like 7 a.m. next Monday. yeah we did that we induced and it was pretty smooth like it yeah we've heard nothing but good things and she likes the control aspect of that so good man um yeah and then we trying to think yeah just crazy yeah but being able to like the time of day i think is kind of nice because you know hopefully you won't be in labor like to the wee hours because it's just gonna you'll be you know exhausted i gotta turn off uh i open up discord um oh yeah can you record on discord that that's what i don't know like it would be cool to go on to discord and just have a conversation with people in the discord because i'd really be interested in hearing like what other people's thoughts are on stuff yeah i mean but see like right now like people can did you just join the discard all right yeah oh yeah now we're getting the echo going but does that mean that it's oh oh yeah you hear it now that's it's not i was trying to see if there's a way to like record and discord but i'm looking up real quick yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna disconnect because this is not good um yeah so what i mean you guys you guys are set right you're just waiting for the day yeah we are set man we've got uh we were super lucky with people supporting us with a variety of gifts i assembled the diaper genie um not long ago so thank you very much for that dude you will thank me every every every time you twist that top i don't know how it works now but the diaper genie like i saw you guys had registered for stuff and i just immediately went to Kristen and I didn't tell her what it was for. I just said, what's the, what was the best part? What was the most important thing that we had in our, um,
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  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Seven primary scenes/modes (Road Trip Multiball, Buzz Multiball, Rescue Forky, Carnival Multiball, Super Spinners, Duke Kaboom Jumps, Bo Peep Locks) with carnival game ticket collection mechanic similar to Willy Wonka

    high · Rule breakdown from This Week in Pinball showing objective to explore carnival and complete seven scenes

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Game draws exclusively from Toy Story 4 narrative, not full franchise; contrasts with previous licensed pinball approach (Pirates of the Caribbean drew from all films)

    high · Tommy: 'Toy Story is like, nah, we're just part four. Fuck everything that came before this' vs Pirates model that 'included stuff from all the movies'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Jump ramp with independently controlled pop-up posts (similar to Goldeneye mechanics); ramp design creates aerial ball path through upper playfield

    high · Tommy and Taylor analyzing overhead playfield view showing dual pop-up posts flanking jump ramp creating lift/jump effect

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Four pop-bumpers (rare modern occurrence); spinning disc; upper playfield with plexiglass panel; carnival-themed multiball progression

    high · Tommy: 'I see it's got four pop bumpers. I feel like I haven't seen a game with that many pop bumpers since the maybe Mustang WrestleMania'

  • ?

    content_signal: This Week in Pinball provided detailed game breakdown and imagery immediately upon announcement; podcast community relying on this outlet for official intel

    high · Tommy and Taylor actively pulling from This Week in Pinball article with playfield overhead view, rule sheet, and official images during live analysis

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Game limited to Toy Story 4 IP scope; Buzz Lightyear film tie-in window may have influenced release timing after initial delays

    medium · Tommy speculating on initial timeline miss: 'this was I thought was supposed to come out before Guns and Roses' and 'there is a Buzz Lightyear film coming shortly'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Lawler confirmed as Toy Story 4 designer; known for Family Guy mini-pinball integration and upper flipper innovations

    high · Tommy referencing Lawler's prior design work: 'we got a classic Lawler upper flipper' and 'he's gonna put a mini claw machine in this like that'll have to be what the toy is'

    • 3:48
    in our, um, what's the, what's in our nursery. And it was immediate diaper genie. Yeah. Greatly appreciated. Uh, and, and you got us like the super, like one year supply one that comes with all the, the filters and bags that should hopefully last a year if the kid, you know, shit's like a normal kid so i appreciate that yeah we got you know what so many diapers and yeah it's awesome uh so many diapers like friends locally family locally uh the pinball community like so many of you uh people that you know i've met in person a handful of times uh sent stuff to us and like it uh it was it just honestly it just made us feel really nice and like supported because uh i'm not terrified like at this point like all those sort of thoughts have kind of gone away and i'm just really ready to have the kid and i'm sick of seeing alissa so uh miserable because she is very miserable and i just feel awful i'm so sorry i did that to you um but so i'm like past that whole point but knowing just like we have that support and there's so many people who have offered tips advice helped get us things we have so many clothes like friends gave us new clothes and hand-me-down clothes and my parents helped buy all the furniture for the the nursery and my dad came down and helped me make the nursery and uh it's just been like we're very well supported and loved and it just feels really good like it's nice like awesome i had it sounds funny because again I appreciate everything from everyone but I had a few like former students that just saw it on Facebook and sent me stuff and it's funny because like you know I started teaching when I was 22 and I had seniors that were 18 and 19 so I'm not that much older than them in reality and like one of them was a girl who I only had first semester she was really cool kid I liked her um been Facebook friends with her but never like I don't think I've ever seen her in 13 years since she graduated um just facebook pictures kind of cut up she's got a few kids and stuff and she sent me stuff i you know sent her a message thanking her and she just said you actually made a really big impact in my life and i probably never told you that so i wanted to send you something i was like damn like it was nice it felt really good because you don't always you don't always hear those things as a as a teacher and uh you know former wrestler sent some stuff and it's just everybody it was really cool so again a huge blanket thank you to everyone i know alissa has been working on like actual handwritten thank you cards i tried to send facebook messages and text messages to everyone who i saw stuff coming in from but um if we did miss you we apologize we just want to say thank you we're we're very excited very ready uh and she's already like talking about a second one and i'm like terrified because i'm like let's just try this one let's see if we can keep this one alive first you know so um that's where we're at right now just like in the countdown stage and something can go at any minute and she texted me this morning she's at work and she's like i actually feel like really good today and like a lot of my swelling's gone down and in my brain because like i don't know what that means and i'm like does that mean your water's about to break like what does that mean she's like oh no i don't think so and i was like okay so we're just kind of like we're waiting to see at this point but i've got my phone on me so like there's a chance you know this episode could get cut short who knows but you'll talk in the car like we could do we could record into the um into the delivery oh i can i can switch over to uh my my phone immediately and she'll be thrilled that i'm getting talking pinball while she's in labor i'm sure that would what's the um super well yeah but toy story i mean you know that just got announced like that's a kid topic like you that is that is mostly i think i mean we've been wanting to record for a while but then we saw that this was coming so we like put it off a little bit so we could kind of see it first and it is here now uh toy story 4 let's be specific here because that's what the game actually is um which like so this is interesting because like i was a kid when toy story came out and i loved it obviously because it's an amazing film the whole series has been really good i still haven't actually seen toy story 4 yet um i've heard some people say it's like really good and i've seen people make faces like you're making right now um so i don't know about as far as that goes but like my whole thought was kind of along the realm of like okay so it's somewhat it's relevant right now i think the film came out three years ago um but like if someone sees this game 20 years from now and they're like Toy Story 4. I wonder what the first three pinball machines are like. That's the first thing that popped into my head that's going to be so weird to see Toy Story 4, because Pirates of the Caribbean, that was made by Jersey Jack and licensed through Disney, included stuff from all the movies. I remember they don't have a ton of the film assets, but it included some content and rules and storyline from all of the films that existed in the series. Whereas Toy Story is like, nah, we're just part four. Fuck everything that came before this. which is which toy story 4 i mean yeah i saw it and i don't really remember much about it at all um but toy story yeah i don't know i mean i just remember i remember when toy story came out like the animation was just incredible and i was uh um because it's pixar right and they had done um uh well toy story is way older than finding nemo man okay okay i don't i don't remember um when so i mean i'm just thinking like i feel like toy story was a breakthrough um animation right yeah it was like the first of its kind it's 95 it's kind yeah yeah like it the game had changed where it was just like all of a sudden it was like the computer graphics that they were generating were amazing and there's actually a um there's a there's a bunch of shorts that pixar put together and i actually have a dvd of it and a lot of the animations that you see are kind of like where they were testing stuff prior to doing toy story so like yeah so there's because toy story has like the baby in it right the big uh you have andy like So there's Andy. He's got a little sister. Andy's the boy who has Woody. And then he gets Buzz as the new toy and Buzz feels like he's getting replaced. I don't know if you've seen Toy Story, Taylor, now that we're talking about. No, no, no, no, no, I have. No, I have. Like Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head, the dinosaur. No, look, I'm 50, dude. I mean, I know. That's why I was worried here.
    10:57
    No, I've definitely seen. But that's the thing is like I definitely seen Toy Story. I mean, like I was just at Disney World not too long ago and we went to the Toy Story World and I very much like was like, oh, yeah, these are characters that I associate with. You know, like it's not it's not stuff that I consider part of like my I don't I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. But, you know, when I watched it, I was an adult. So you're also looking at it differently, right? Like you're not looking at like you don't have that attachment to characters.
    11:30
    Maybe that a kid would, but I would think that, yeah, I just it just seems like I think you were at like a weird age for this title because you were in a young adult. So you weren't really particularly probably interested in it.
    11:45
    Yeah, probably didn't see it, whereas I was a kid. So not only did I enjoy it, but my parents took me. So it's like this shared experience. What year did it come out? Ninety five. so I was roughly 9 or 10 oh so I was shit yeah that's what I'm saying I was in the middle of college yeah like you're not probably seeing that in college although when Finding Nemo came out I was just graduating high school but at that point like those were the cool type of movies to see because the animation was still like mind boggling and I remember like when that came out on DVD like my freshman year that fall like oh I had so many dates where it was like I've got Finding Nemo on DVD you want to come watch it was a great movie for that but yeah like Toy Story, I think, just resonates. That would have been 2003 for Finding Nemo, so you're looking at eight years later.
    12:30
    Okay. Toy Story typically does, like, you know, one movie a year or something like that. I don't think they've had too many years, but they've done two.
    12:37
    But I just think, so for your age, like, you probably didn't have that connection, whereas, like, Toy Story was a big freaking deal for my childhood. And again, for my parents, because it's, you know, the story of the movie is the kids growing up, like, through the series, right? So like it really hits with my parents as they continue to see them too, because I lived the movie with them essentially.
    12:59
    But I mean, I would have, I probably would have seen Toy Story after my daughter was born. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. By first. Yeah. Yeah, because there's no way, I mean, I would have been, I would have been in the middle of college. I'm in art school. I mean, that's the only thing is I do feel like. The art aspect of it, I think would have appealed to you guys as like a new form of technology. Well, that's why I think I knew about it, because I was in the sculpture program, and I know that around that time is when they started offering computer animation classes.
    13:36
    Like, they had just put in a computer lab for art school. Like, that's how old I am. I had Wi-Fi on my laptop when I went to college, but my campus didn't have Wi-Fi yet. So it wasn't real. Yeah, I get it, man. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Like I got some my parents got me like the nicest laptop they could. I'm the first one in my family going to college, you know, and I get to the dorm. There's no Wi-Fi. You're like, oops. Right. By the time I graduated, we had it. But like that freshman year, it was useless.
    14:06
    But yeah, so Toy Story, I definitely think that. OK, so going to going to like who the market audience for this game is, right? the market audience for this game would be parents who like raise their children watching this movie because the cost is prohibitive for any like I mean I think almost anybody yes I mean it's just so hard to say because it's so again I'm tying it into the whole series but this is Toy Story 4 but like there's It's hard to explain because that first movie is almost 30 years old, right?
    14:49
    Like 27 years old. That's people my age were kids when they saw it. I don't know. It's interesting. I wonder if there's more of a connection to people who saw it originally as a child or as a parent. Yeah, that's what I'm kind of not sure on. because like it's interesting it's interesting because the movie was so much like i was andy when the first one came out like i was stopping playing with my ninja turtles and i was moving on to like other things so like no it wasn't woody and i wasn't getting a space toy but like i understood that concept of like i'm changing my toys i'm playing with different things like i'm now doing video games or sports and then like but i think it's number three where like he goes to college and I was in college or just ending college when I saw that. And like my parents could relate to that. Like they were packing up my shit at home. Although I think my mom was a little more excited than the mom in the movie. She's like, fuck yeah, I got a sewing room now, you know, but that idea.
    15:51
    So it's hard to say, but like, I don't know, because, you know, you would know better on the parent side. Like, have you taken your kid to a movie and been like, oh man, I'm really connected to this shared experience with my kid of seeing this film? No, I don't know. The more I think about it, the less I care about Toy Story. Yeah, well, it's a huge, like, cultural thing, but, like, I don't have a specific attachment to it. I don't know. Like, it's a tough one. I think it's bright and colorful, you know, that's got that going. I think the idea of a generic Toy Story, I get because the characters, like, you could do the characters, like, rules-wise. Like you could develop a story using the characters that are for the pinball machine, kind of like Doctor Who, right? Like there was a Doctor Who episode basically in the pinball machine.
    16:46
    I think that that's kind of more what I would have been into opposed to a specific movie. Yeah, I thought it was going to be in the Toy Story world. right yeah i just thought like it would be called toy story and you'd have characters from a little bit of all of it and you're yeah you'd have modes like you gotta escape the claw machine for buzz and you know whatever little things like that how is there not how is there not a claw machine that i literally said that to somebody the other day i was like okay so you know lawler did family guy right i think that was lawler yeah and it's got the mini pinball machine so i was like he's gonna put a mini claw machine in this like that'll have to be what the toy is like and i thought it could have been like the johnny mnemonic glove for the locks like the claw picks up the ball you put it into certain holes for certain awards like it just made sense but instead he still they could have done the like a dead world mod and then so basically you have a dead world mod you make the shot the claw you know the claw grabs it it moves it over and then it drops it out of a scoop or something like that where you could i don't know i don't know but i don't know how you don't have a claw but but that scene is obviously a very iconic toy story movie scene yeah so that's what we pictured uh instead they stuck an ipad mini in the game it looks like yeah that's weird which will have virtual pinball on it um so and who knows what else like i'm sure it's it's used for a variety of things. I don't love it. I don't either. I don't like things that take up... I mean, it doesn't take up a ton of the playfields. It looks like it almost extends into the back box.
    18:34
    But it just... I'm just realistic. When I'm playing pinball, I'm not looking at the screen. I've owned WrestleMania and Star Wars that both have LCD screens on the playfield.
    18:46
    I owned Alien that had an LCD screen on the playfield. and like i get that they're used but i just i struggle to look at them while i'm playing i'm watching the ball like so i i don't know um it looks like they brought back the side lit rails that they introduced uh with guns and roses yeah and uh we've got two models announced the le which the limited edition limited to 5,000 and the CE collector's edition limited to a thousand. And the big rumor going around, uh, as of this morning was that the CEs were sold out via distributors and Jersey Jack really before the announcement even went live. Um, but I know of at least three people who canceled their orders this morning after seeing the game and the official price tag of $15,000 for the collector's edition.
    19:42
    So I'm guessing there's going to be a decent amount of that, of people who had deposits in, and they're not going to follow through on it, which I understand. That's part of the game.
    19:53
    But yeah, it's the Toy Story 4 thing. I know that had been the rumor, and I remember hearing this a long time ago, and I don't know by any means what of it is true. but essentially this was I thought was supposed to come out before Guns and Roses and then it would have been out pretty close to the release of the movie um which obviously didn't happen and I know there is a Buzz Lightyear film coming shortly so I don't know if they're thinking like releasing now tying into kind of the release of that worked out better once they realized they couldn't hit whatever the initial date was for it um I don't really I really don't know but yeah the whole thing, it just kind of seems odd. Um, I'm looking at some of the pictures, the layout, uh, thanks to this week in pinball right now. And I'm looking at the overhead view of the Ellie and I see it's got four pop bumpers. I feel like I haven't seen a game with that many pop bumpers since the maybe Mustang WrestleMania.
    20:55
    Um, you know, that's something different. We've got a classic Lawler upper flipper, uh, spinning disc like from world win a jump ramp some people compared it to no good govers but that ramp was a slam ramp where it dropped down this is more of a jump where it lifts out of the playfield very similar to goldeneye it looks like uh as far as the mechanism goes but it creates the same effect either way you're launching a ball through the air uh there's an upper orbit and there appears to be a physical up post for Locke on the left side I struggling The video that they released was only like 30 seconds long Didn really explain so much of anything I saw they already have a rule sheet out. Oops, dropped something. Sorry.
    21:44
    But I haven't read through that whole thing. I mean, it looks visually, just looking at it, looks like it'd be fun to shoot. It's attractive.
    21:56
    Where are you seeing this? I love this week in pinball it's like the first story at the top I'm clicking on it it's not opening oh there we go there's a lot of pictures yeah so oh man there's a lot going on on this game yeah it's packed I see what do you think so the jump ramp So the jump ramp has two up posts on either side. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So those pop up. Those pop up. Interesting.
    22:39
    Yeah. And so I don't know if, so you've got that. So basically the ramp shot, like I didn't see the upper play field when I first saw the pictures. I didn't, I was like, I didn't understand what the point of that ramp was. I mean it's just to shoot it through that hole isn't it it's kind of like the dial so yeah so you have the upper play field that has a hole like in the back of the it's like a plexiglass play field like no good gophers but you have a big hole up there that the ball gets fed to it doesn't I mean it looks like if you nail the ramp you're gonna there's no way you if you hit the upper play field you're gonna make the shot um but that that's kind of cool but yeah so on either side of that like towards the like just like maybe like a quarter of an inch from the corners there are two posts that pop up yeah i had not noticed that before the creepy dummies from that movie and i haven't seen so like those were new those are new characters to me uh so so i do not remember a lot but do want me to talk about what I remember? Yeah, I just remember there was Forky and everyone was comparing Forky to Jar Jar Binks. That was the big thing I remember, like, pop culture-wise at the time of its release. My daughter loves Forky. Yeah, I know he was like, and that's what kids loved Jar Jar Binks when it came out. Like, I know the adults who liked the original Star Wars hated it, but kids fucking loved Jar Jar Binks. I thought Jar Jar Binks was entertaining as hell. I was in, like, 7th grade when that movie came out.
    24:17
    And I hadn't seen the originals at that time. So, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know why there's hatred for Forky. I think Forky is pretty funny. He has like a there's a series of shows on Disney Plus called Forky. Ask a question that are are hilarious and that we we still will say Forky, ask a question. And when we were at Disney, my daughter got a little Forky pen. that's the size of Forky the size of a spork so she loves Forky I don't know it's kind of weird that they call him Forky and not Sporky looking at him as a picture because sporks are like the greatest invention ever and they really should be used a lot more but spork might be it might be a light wood not a license a trademark I would think god it might be you're right america america um the we got to jump ramp so basically it's like there's a there's a part where they end up at a they end up at a antique store and i don't remember why maybe it's to get like little boat peep or somebody and there is this creepy doll that has oh there's this so there's a creepy mannequin and then there's a creepy doll and I can't remember like I feel like the mannequins work for the creepy doll so Gabby Gabby which is which is a pop up similar to no good gophers gopher okay but so she like she's like this real she's basically she's the villain she's the villain but i don't remember like much more than that like i'm i'm because i'm looking at the play field and i'm trying to figure out i'm trying to remember like how like the carnival and stuff and it uh it clearly made a big impact on you large impression um no it didn't no because it wasn't it wasn't the best of the movies i started watching it and fell asleep but that I tend to put movies on really late at night and fall asleep to them. But what I saw didn't interest me enough to be like, when I got up the next day, I'd be like, I want to finish that now. Which is what I do in a lot of movies. And this one didn't do that for me. I just never went back to it. I mean, I think COVID hit shortly after. I don't know.
    26:56
    So the collector's edition is the really, really expensive one. Yeah, well. and that that other one's 12 000 so the collector's edition is the red one the limited edition is the blue one uh looks like a collector's edition has a topper on it which i assume would come with it then you know it's crazy though how do you not how do you i mean i'm looking at the topper and i mean it doesn't look like it's anything that great like how do you not include that in the twelve thousand dollar version like how much does that cost to make twenty five dollars i mean i mean you want to sell less thousand and the only toppers are crazy like right now so it's again not my thing but it is a thing so um it is what it is but i mean i'm just i'm just thinking like for the you know you're asking you're asking a lot of money for it what you're asking a lot of money so those pop-up posts they operate individually are they targets like are you supposed to shoot them i don't i don't think so i think it's kind of like the goat i don't know because like i was thinking they were just put up as almost like stoppers so you couldn't shoot into the like underneath the jump ramp that's what i think as well but now that they're individually controlled that wouldn't make sense i think it makes i think it makes it so that it makes the jump ramp harder to hit so i think that you need like a clean shot on it yeah maybe there's a way to um i don't know like how you qualify them i'm looking i'm so bad at like reading rules like i am the i mean like i've been playing a lot of godzilla and i still go to tilt forums and i'll ask a question that's covered in the rules, but I'm like, I don't want to read the rules. Like I just hate, I don't know. It's not my thing, but, um, I think that might be thunder.
    28:57
    Well, yeah, it was a pretty bad storms last night. Uh, not so much here, but more North of us. I had to call my family and check on them up in Goshen. They were okay. Oh, really? Yep. Uh, my, um, I have a friend up in, uh, near Gaylord, Michigan. Do you know where that is? I do not specifically they had a I think they had like really bad like they had a tornado maybe I'm getting that wrong I feel like he said Gaylord he sent pictures of it looked awful sorry what were we talking about we're trying to figure out towards the bottom of this week in pinball there is a breakdown of the rules your objective is to explore the carnival so i'm assuming somewhere in the film they end up at a carnival and it says complete all seven scenes to play the carousel your scenes appear to be road trip multiball buzz multiball rescue forky carnival multiball super spinners duke kaboom jumps and bow peep locks um you collect tickets to play the different carnival games ramps award tickets so you shoot the left ramp to start your carnival games and then you follow the instructions on the mini display.
    30:15
    So your ramps are kind of like how you collected Wonka bars on Willy Wonka as well as lit up the sign to start your modes.
    30:24
    Is there just one ramp? I suspected that the far right orbit is kind of like dialed in where it looks like an orbit but it goes around to a ramp.
    30:36
    I was guessing that that, yeah, The right orbit, if you look at the back, you can see it turns to the middle, like right in the middle, and I'm guessing that feeds up. So I'm assuming the ramp that we see on the left probably feeds that wire form that goes over the pop bumpers. And the right orbit shot feeds the far left ramp, and it has a diverter underneath that tent-looking thing that could control which side the ball returns to. You're talking about the left? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, I gotcha. So, Carnival Multi-Ball, Carnival Games, Delight Locks, and then your Scoop locks the balls. Buzz Multi-Ball, Shoot Buzz, Inner Voice, Saucer multiple times. So, I think that's on the back right, it looked like to me.
    31:19
    And I'm guessing we get the classic Buzz Lightyear call-outs at that point from, well, maybe they've changed by part four. I don't know, like to Infinity and beyond, etc. Road Trip Multi-Ball, lock three balls in the left road trip lane. taking a chance wheel captive ball lights the wheel captive ball nudges the wheel and the interloop shot spins the wheel so i'm not totally sure how that will work within the game i guess no good gophers had a bunch of awards on it on the wheel on that game too so what do you what do you think about spinning disc are you a spinning disc fan or it depends how many how How many games do you have with Spinning Desk? I had Beatles, but it's gone. Okay. What about World Wind? Do you have a World Wind? I never had World Wind. I don't like World Wind. It's never felt like a fair game to me. Yeah, it's just always... Because of the Spinning Desk. They're all freaking brutal.
    32:13
    The Spinning Desk is brutal. It's especially World Wind. There's three of them on that game, so it's just crazy.
    32:21
    I like the Spinning Desk on Lost World. I've never had a Twister. but yeah so the discs that have the magnet on them like uh ninja turtles i have right now where the magnet holds the ball there but then it can occasionally cause some chaos with the balls i kind of like whereas whirlwind is just three spinning discs just causing mayhem for no good reason um traffic uh x-men we have as a pro so there's no spinning disc on that one I don't mind them I don't know they're okay they're not my favorite mech or anything I don't think a game needs them but they don't take away from a game to me I just think unless you're used like in a lock situation I find them a bit frustrating that you're you know you can't I probably whirlwind is probably I just have had horrible you know competitive experiences on whirlwind I just yes same I just people seem to love that game and I don't understand how people love it whereas like I like Earthshaker a lot more than Whirlwind but it's yeah it's it's there it exists uh extra ball is lit with three skill shots that's interesting or landing on the take a chance to bail an extra ball or multiple ramp jump ramp and then the curio cabinet um i don't know where that is is that the diverter on the ramp maybe no that's a stream multiple switches quite mystery that's interesting oh the left side scoop yeah yeah left side scoop is okay that makes sense and that's And that's in the movie. Like, there was the – maybe Little Bo Peep is in the Curio or something.
    34:14
    Hints are just beware of the Benson posts and hit Gabby Gabby. They did release a pretty short video.
    34:23
    There's a longer one. The one I saw earlier was only like 30 seconds. There's a minute-long one out there too that has actual voiceover. Yeah. It's under feature videos.
    34:37
    I think I saw that. Yeah. Whatever I saw earlier today was only 30 seconds and it didn't have the audio. Oh, there's a spinner. Two spinners. Okay.
    34:48
    There's a lot on the game. Yeah. No, it's an open play field, but it's a packed game, if that makes sense.
    34:58
    Oh, Target in the pop bumpers. That's a classic Waller move there. Duke and Boom Ramp did pop up and the post popped up right with it on the video.
    35:10
    And yeah, the super jackpot shot, it looks like. So I think it's interesting to announce you're doing the 6,000 units total and that's it. I am surprised they don't have a cheaper model. I'm curious if that's a business decision or if that's like a... I know Jersey Jack supposedly gives their designers a lot more freedom. and I know Eric specifically talked about with Guns N' Roses, he really fought to have the cheaper model.
    35:37
    I wonder if they just didn't sell enough for them or if it's like a designer thing, like Waller didn't want to take anything out to have a cheaper version of the game. Kind of intrigued. That's like if we'll ever find that sort of stuff out. I think that's what it was. I think Waller just didn't want to design two games. Yeah, I mean, that does make sense.
    35:57
    Yeah, we've talked about it many times, but I definitely think the way to go is to do the three models, but have nothing but cosmetic differences, uh, just because you're not having to do so much code then.
    36:12
    Yeah. I, yeah, I, I, it's, I know some people who saw the price tag and were just, I, you know, well, I will never own a Jersey Jack game. Like I think that that's, I don't know. I mean, I've owned a Wizard of Oz and I'm super fortunate that I got mine when I did under the circumstances that I did. Because, I mean, I think like I I think that if Wizard of Oz was made today with what that game has in it, it would be right up there.
    36:50
    It's really expensive. it i mean it is um i'm spending roughly that on my p3 right yeah yeah what i'm getting like a lot with that so um i you know it's uh it's interesting man it's really interesting i uh I personally don't see the value in that price point.
    37:22
    Well, what operator is going to spend $12,000 for a game? I mean, is there a return there? Is it because you can sell the game? Like you could own the game for a year? That's what I was just talking in our Discord about that. And it's essentially like, I do think locations will get this, but it's because people don't want to spend that money, but they want to play it. So then they're going to come to your location, but it's the locations that like, it's not operators, it's locations. It's like, I wouldn't spend this money because I'm only getting a percentage of the coin drop. But if you own the location and you're getting all the coin drop, plus you're selling people beer and drinks and food while they're there, and you're getting all of that money, then these games make sense because it brings people in. Like that part I understand. Do you think it actually brings that many people in? It does. I mean, I've traveled and played games. Yeah, every time I put a new game out, like when we got Alien, I had people come from Illinois, Kentucky, Ohio, and Michigan to play it within the first two months I was here.
    38:24
    That's crazy. You don't see these games. Well, that's the other thing. You don't see Alien. You will see these. Like, these are going to be – You will, yeah. I don't think you're going to have to travel out of Indianapolis or somewhere to come and play this game. There's one location already that announced in Indy that they're getting it today. they now they ordered it um there's attica the place near me that is owned um pinball and perry they buy every le or collector's edition of jersey jack games um but they're just a very wealthy human who happened to open a pinball place so uh but i'm sure they'll have one so i'll have one within like 45 minutes to an hour of me um they're not going to get one in main street no he got pirates and he never got guns and roses i mean he might but i'd be surprised yeah um i don't know i just again that's dan doesn't sell other things so like his place is only making coin drop so if you're only making coin drop i think it's very hard to justify um unless you're in like a very busy place and again like the way i operate it is very hobbyish like yeah i i people like i could show you the money it's not it's not anywhere near profitable i just enjoy having more games around town to play um could it be profitable if i had my own place i was selling the beer and i was keeping all the coin drops yeah like then it would start to make sense um but yeah do you consider doing that it's a really complicated but indiana has really weird liquor license laws and it's incredibly expensive to get them um like in a college town like if i wanted to get a liquor license it's roughly a like a million dollar commitment like you would have to would you have to buy your license from another yeah you have to get a license like they don't like if a business closes they don't have to give the license back to the state they can sell the license so they're all bought on the secondhand market um it's incredibly limited because Indiana is super conservative so we only allow X amount of licenses for X amount of people and space so there's just a lot of complications and then our city does have an exclusion thing if you are located within like X amount of distance of this river the city will provide you a license they own the license though but then you're limited to like these five blocks where you have to put your business and there's already every other building's already a bar there and it's like business all the time so it's a good idea and it's a bad idea at the same time so it makes it hard to find a property there to begin with and then it makes it hard to succeed if you do get the property just because literally every other building is bar uh so it's interesting but yes i love the idea of having my own place um i just ringing a bell and shout out to another location but i think it's super electric in Cleveland pinball parlor uh super electric pinball parlor I met up with Patrick there last year when he bought my stargazer and I just did a trade of a centaur for a cheetah with uh David one of the owners of that location uh two weeks ago or a week ago now I can't remember um but anyway I told him when I met him in person like his location to me was just like my dream like they had a whole corner that was decorated like a basement in the 80s with wood paneling random souvenirs, trinkets, chachkis, whatever you want to call them, hanging all over the place.
    42:05
    A beer. It was a perfect corner building location right downtown. Real nice. It was just like a chill place. Not corporate.
    42:14
    Not I don't know how to explain it, but not douchebaggy. It was just fucking cool. It had art all over the place, like old toys.
    42:23
    It it was amazing like i told him i was like yeah you're the type of place i would want to open and i would love to but it's just not realistic right now with like the kid do any minute and uh life in general yeah yeah i like the idea of that a ton would i like to get there eventually absolutely it's yeah it's especially within on top of that property values like that whole liquor license thing is only that's just the license i still have to have property and then build out and all that thing. The only good thing I've done for me is I have the games.
    42:57
    I've got games. That's a star and I can maintain them. I proved that like that beats a lot of places I know you need to go into you need to go into business with somebody You need to go into business with a restaurateur who is interested in doing a pinball concept
    43:18
    I do. But then again, am I splitting coin drop? And then once again, it's not profitable. Well, no. Basically, you would... I don't know. like they would invest in you you know they would invest in your idea um you know they'd be a part owner but it would be more than just coin drop it would be yeah i'm getting part of the food and liquor sales and stuff too then yeah that's that's the tough part so yeah who knows man like i think there's there's nothing like that up on campus but then up on campus it's even more expensive so that's like the other hard part yeah anyway um if i like so realistically okay looking at toy story and again i know it's toy story 4 but like it's toy story right a lot of the characters are the same from the original movie to now so let's say hypothetical i could get a location on campus so i'm now on produce campus where there's roughly 50,000 students that are aged between 18 and, you know, 25 with grad students and whatnot, 30, who knows this movie toy store itself has probably been a huge part of their life, regardless of whether it was part one, two, three, or four, you stick this in a bar up there. I bet it gets played nonstop.
    44:40
    Yeah. Like, you know, so I think it's going to do well. And again, visually, like just looking at the pictures, super colorful, like easily identifiable characters i'm sure it's a luller game like it's going to shoot well and so i'm reading i'm yeah i'm sorry i didn't mean oh you're good you're reading oh i was just saying i was looking at some pictures of the topper and there's actually like in one of the pictures it just looked almost like it was flat but yeah there's like fiber optics coming out like fireworks and there's oh yeah i see that now it looks like a spinning ferris wheel and then a flying duke kaboom mech so i think that
    45:26
    that's like the motorcycle jumper and i think he has he will actually like jump so so it's like a hundred dollars yeah yeah yeah totally totally makes sense yeah i look at i see that zoomed in picture it's uh it's cool looking i mean yeah again i haven't seen the movie so like i don't understand everything that's out here yeah i don't remember that's my bad do you i actually do remember that guy now um do you care about um like powder-coated armor no is that something that like interests you in the least nothing for me at all so I'm trying to cobble together like because I thought about doing it for Godzilla and I have a friend who had he has an Elvira I think it's an LE I don't remember but it's got like a really pretty armor job on it and yeah so I was thinking about doing it for Godzilla so I'm getting together the pieces so I can like have an extra set obviously so I don't have to like strip down my game.
    46:41
    But yeah, I'm curious because... I mean, it can look really nice. I just, it's not something I care about. Like it doesn't add value to a game to me. Well, it adds a lot of value to a game as far as a manufacturer goes. That's why...
    47:01
    Oh, for sure. I'm wondering about... I mean, obviously like, you know, we talk about pro model or whatever, But it's like really like if you strip down this game, like what is elevating the price of this game to the point where people are just like, oh, I cannot justify this. My only thought was like they must just be assuming they're going to have to replace everyone's play field because they still have Miracle making them as far as anyone knows, and they're all going to fall apart. So they're just charging everyone for two play fields up front. That's my guess. I have no idea.
    47:35
    I don't know. But you know what I mean? For that drastic of a pricing. And inflation's real right now. Like, shit is more expensive.
    47:51
    So it probably does cost more to build. It's definitely going to cost more to ship. I mean, that's just written. Cash prices are crazy. so like I understand that aspect of it there is absolutely an increased cost of manufacturing right now I don't know if it's that much I really don't you know and there's also like okay again it's hard to be mad at the company if people were going to buy these anyways and flip them why not just charge what you have to charge and help eliminate flippers you as the company make more of the profit instead of letting it go into other people's hands yeah I am curious at like 15k I wonder I can't see a lot of people buying this thinking they're going to flip it at 15k yeah I wouldn't think so who knows maybe there's a lot more money out there than I have and I realize is out there how many of the LE units are they going to make 1000 of the collectors edition that's the 15,000 one and 5,000 of the le and somebody told me earlier today that that was roughly the similar numbers that they did on guns and roses and they never sold all 5,000 of the guns and roses so uh which doesn't i mean totally surprise me i'm curious how many of the cheaper version they sold because i got i ordered that like day one and then within like before mine was delivered they had raised the price on the lower version by a thousand or fifteen hundred um which is maybe why they're not making one now anyway because once that price went up i could see them absolutely having sold far less than they initially anticipated at the 6500 or whatever it was announced at uh but yeah man the price it's not shocking it's what i had heard the rumors of the price to be so it's not like oh i'm not stunned that's what it came out at today but i'm still like if they really sold all 1 000 of those ces today on pre-order like good for them but i just can't i don't have that much of attachment to toy story like to spend that kind of money um and it comes down to me like a lot as if i have fun playing a game i just got it's been a little while since recorded since we've recorded i received a cactus canyon remake and i've sold that cactus canyon remake um it was built very well yeah they did a great job with the remake the larger display the lighting i just didn't find it to be very fun i got through the wizard mode twice um yeah but it doesn't have that it doesn't have like a new rule it doesn't It doesn't have the new rules yet, but we also don't know when that's coming or what they're going to be, what they're going to charge for it.
    50:57
    The fact that there's a rumored additional mechanism that you can add on that they will also charge for, and then you have to do the labor of installing it yourself.
    51:07
    There's a lot of those things where it's like, I just didn't enjoy the game very much. So I think they did a great job with it. The build quality was great. I just wasn't having fun playing it so why should I keep that um so we got rid of that um to me it's much more about having fun with the game but again that was priced at roughly 8,000 and you know to multiply that to almost double it I can't imagine how fun a game would have to be for me to spend that sort of money uh I mean it looks it looks it looks really good it looks like a really bright you know it's like yeah visually it's appealing if it was sitting in the lineup i see why people would walk up and put a dollar in it yeah um yeah it's really interesting i think about when i first saw wonka in person i remember going into the location and it was um yeah it was it was stunning like how colorful it was and yeah i do think that they do a good job with like the art package and everything we just got we got a question from uh matt peace in our discord and he wants to know if we think players will be willing to put in more than a dollar per play to play toy story 4 said game terminal in nashville when gnr was released priced it at two dollars a game so would you Taylor pay two dollars a game to play it well perfect timing perfect timing and thank you for the question um the so going back to my story when I went in and walk was there were so a couple people walked up and at that point I think it was maybe a dollar like they the price had jumped up like that was at a point where i feel like it was all of a sudden i can't remember what the what it was a game but it was it was a lot and two people walked up they popped in some you know they popped in some tokens and they played and their game was really short and they had no idea like it was so confusing to them that they just did not play again and they complained about the cost of it like they were just like this isn't this wasn't worth it um so i think i don't know man like for for two dollars for two dollars i want to be able to like really get into the game and i think that that's really hard with a game that you don't have access to unless you're playing unless you're paying two dollars a game you know what I mean like the cost like to play it it's it's prohibitive from learning it to where you want to really play it and then when you really want to play it and that two dollars experience maybe is a two dollar experience I don't know like after you drop 20 bucks into the game and you're like man I just can't figure this out it's really expensive I don't know that I really care to figure it out um yeah for casuals I think it'd be really tough to keep people coming back at that price point um i mean because you're also looking at like you would i would expect it to be in some sort of arcade that has a swipe mechanism yeah right i mean because that's just potentially or just putting card readers on uh yeah i mean if i'm if i know i'm going to a place that's going to have toy story and it's going to be two dollars a game i am absolutely reading everything i can and watching tutorials before I go play so I can get the most out of my $2. Right. That would be in my mindset for sure. I would really struggle, man. And I know, like, again, I'm weird. My location is priced pretty cheaply.
    55:07
    So it's hard to, because, like, I don't know. I would struggle with that. But I'm not going to be mad at any operator that does it because I'm going to be like, yeah, they just spent $12,000 or $15,000 on this game. like it's gonna cost more play if you charge and the other thing is if you charge two bucks and people don't pay two bucks then you drop it right yeah i guess you know the only hard to increase the price right but do you do you have an issue then where it's like hey if you price it for two bucks and somebody else prices it for one like will the you know will the charm wear off How long does a new title stay hot, or does it depend on the gameplay? To me, it's like three to six months. Three to six months. That's where it's getting heavy play. People are traveling to play it because not every location has it, things like that. And then you have something else come out. Yeah. You could have multiple games come out. So, yeah, I don't know. It's really interesting. Do you think – what's Stern's newest game?
    56:15
    Was it Rush? Yes. I was like, it's the one I did not order, Rush. So they should be announcing a new game soon, right? August. They announced – I think it was when we recorded last time or right after that. They were only doing two games this year. The next one would come out August, September time. And do we think that that's Venom? Is that Venom? I think it's James Bond. what yeah i know you think that because because i've had some people tell me it's james bond oh yeah i don't know that i think that uh because people told me i mean yeah uh the person i spoke with spoke with a lot of confidence on the the matter uh so who was involved gomez designed it uh three troopers but i don't i don't know 100 percent um and i don't know if it's comic cow that's what i don't know if it makes the dick a pow title and if it's expensive yeah that's so i almost hope it is because then i'll be like i just there's no way i can do it whereas like if it releases a regular title i'm gonna be like god damn it i gotta sell something again uh anyway i just i got a lot of things going on in my life right now but yeah i i i hope it is and i hope it isn't i don't know it's i just don't know what to you man uh i'm glad stern's only doing two titles this year honestly it's kind of nice do you think so your summation of the um the drop of toy story is i think the price the price tag is like i think it's a miss like overall it's just a miss i think the biggest part of it being that specifically toy story 4 like you've seen it you don't remember much of it i started watching it fell asleep and i don't remember anything um so like that i mean that just to me is kind of like a reflection of the film like i watched was it encanto i remember that somewhat recently yeah like yeah there's disney pixar make really good movies like they leave an impact on you and toy story 4 seems to have not achieved that where some previous ones had um so i don't know i think again i think that's the number one miss is that it's it's specifically for and not like the toy story universe and then i think the price point is rough um again i'm not saying they're out of line asking it or anything i just it's something i can't pay don't want to pay. Yeah, sure, I could sell off three of my classic games and buy Toy Story. But I really like my classic games.
    58:56
    There's probably less of my classics that I have than there are of Toy Story over the next couple years.
    59:04
    And on top of that, you have the mystery question of, like, will your play field hold up? Because it's just reality that a lot of games have had issues coming from Jersey Jack and Mirko together. Even with like, I built my Quicksilver, my Quicksilver play field, it seems to be holding up. Like I didn't have any problems with any of my posts going in. It's dimpling, but that's pretty normal. I don't have like cracking. I don't have any of that, but I've absolutely seen several other people that are building Quicksilvers that have screwed a post down and the clear coat just twists and the artwork comes off. So like it happens. Now, if you pay $15,000 for a game and that happens, how pissed are you? Probably pretty pissed. So, you know, those things combine to me. And then again, tie in the fact that it is just toy story four and the movie was out three years ago. Like, it seems like weird timing, not the best. Yeah. forget forget like way too after the fact for a pretty forgetful movie yeah exactly um i you know i loved the 90s when movies came out and a pinball machine came out with a movie and like i know that those companies worked very close hand in hand with the movies like when those things were happening i know that's why there's a weird topper on the adams family because in the script there was this weather changing machine and then it got cut from the movie so the toppers never actually made sense compared to the movie but it was in the script so that's why it's there you know like things like that could happen and adam's family like adam's family was a huge movie for me as a kid and then obviously it became the best-selling pinball machine of all time um it just was a very fun and innovative game the movie was fun and charming and i remember it uh Toy Story 4 does not seem to be that way overall with society. Whereas, like, people still talk about Adam's family. I haven't heard anyone talk about Toy Story 4 outside of the pinball community in this game in quite a while. And I have friends with kids. Like, I work in schools. Like, it didn't leave, like, this cultural phenomenon impact.
    61:25
    So I don't know. I think if you're going to do a very specific movie tie-in with a theme, the game has to come out either close to the movie's release or when that movie is highly regarded as a classic. Like Ghostbusters, 30 years later, 35 years later. It's something that there's a lot of nostalgia for. I don't think there's any nostalgia for Toy Story 4 right now. No.
    61:52
    It's just kind of odd. It's weird, right? and that being said i think if i see one on location i'm gonna play it i think it's gonna shoot really well because it's a lawler game the shots are gonna feel familiar i'm gonna kind of know what his games are like i'm gonna kind of know what to do walking up to the machine and then it's like you know the discovery of the nuances uh but personally i much rather go to a location a couple times and drop let's get say i play it a lot say 50 to 100 bucks I'm gonna be good on my Toy Story fix like I know you play your games a ton I don't like so it's when I look at like me owning games it's kind of funny because like Alien's probably my favorite thing that's come out in a while I just really like that rule set I've maybe played a hundred games on it that's probably an exaggeration but that's a lot for me Cactus Canyon I probably played like 30 times and I beat it twice and I was like I'm done with this. I just turned on my Godzilla. I'm going to check the audit. I hate to point out how bad your eyes are, but I think you turned on Avengers.
    63:02
    No, no, I didn't. Avengers lit. I got a red light on it all of a sudden. So I was like... I have four games that are all on the same circuit and they're all on Switch. But look, my Avengers isn't booting up properly. You see that? Yeah, I saw a red light come on it. suddenly Thanos lit up red and I was like what? Are you checking your audits right now for Godzilla? I'm so curious to hear this.
    63:31
    Alright. This is good podcasting. Luckily because we're recording it this way we'll have your video so people can actually see what you're doing.
    63:44
    If we somehow wanted to share it. I just opened the coin drawer. Okay. Taylor is now using the service buttons inside to access the stern menu.
    63:55
    He appears to be checking his audits. Total balls played 4,629. Total balls. So games, you're at what? Roughly 1,100?
    64:07
    No. It's probably more than that. No, probably 1,300-ish. I don't know. It's got to be 1,300. Just keep going. It'll be there. I'll restart a game. if I play like I have a bad first ball. Oh, you're a game restarter? Oh, my God. Yeah. Total plays, it says 3,431. Oh, so you restart a lot of games. I restart a lot of games. Yeah. So my Godzilla that has been on location since it came out has roughly 1100 plays on it
    64:46
    And there is no restarting. I'll restart a game on location. I don't care. Sometimes, yeah. Alright, so now Avengers is booting up.
    64:58
    Yeah, I don't know why it does that. Sometimes it just doesn't. Something's loose somewhere. but uh yeah so for you putting games in your home makes sense like financially that would make sense that you play a game that much uh for me it would be just silly like my games are on location and don't have as many plays as yours my iron maiden that's been out for four years has almost as many plays is your Godzilla.
    65:28
    Yeah, I don't... I'm trying to... I haven't looked at Jurassic Park in a bit. That's a good lineup, though. I'm not going to lie. Oh, yeah. No, I... I don't miss my Avengers, I won't lie. I did sell that. Yeah. But I also kind of, like, got a resurgence of playing Iron Maiden again. Yeah. Iron Maiden, it's really good. It's jumped up, and it's been, like, basically my second best earner behind either Alien or Cactus Canyon for the last three months. And I finally asked, like, a little while ago, and maybe I mentioned this already, but I asked some of the people at work that I'm like, who's playing so much Iron Maiden again? Because, like, it was earning, like, again, not a ton of money, but compared to what everything else was earning, like, it jumped a lot. And they were like, oh, there's a comic book and, like, board game store that's in the same shopping center. And the guys who own that started coming over when they closed at, like, 8 or 9. And they got super into just Iron Maiden. So they literally come over like every night and these four dudes play Iron Maiden. And it's pretty cool. Like I finally met them. They started coming to a little bit of our league and some of our tournaments and stuff.
    66:33
    But they just love Iron Maiden. And like they're not Iron Maiden music people. They're like, this game is just so fun. I'm like, I get it, man. Trust me. I get it.
    66:42
    What drew them into, did they say what drew them into the game the first time? I think they started just kind of playing the different ones there. Because I know they were playing Mandalorian, but they didn't really enjoy it, they said. Yeah. because they are definitely like the Star Wars crowd.
    66:58
    And something with Maiden just stuck with them. I mean, the shots feel good, the sound, like everything in that game is just integrated so well. Like it's the entire package.
    67:08
    But yeah, I found that interesting. Avengers was not getting played very much towards the end there, like at all, basically. Jurassic Park still does kind of like middle of the pack. Ooh, I do want to go see new Jurassic Park movie came out. I was kind of curious with that coming out, if it would see a jump in plays in the next couple weeks. And then Godzilla was just pretty awesome. I finally beat your score. I can't remember. Oh, yeah? I think I got like $2.8 billion or something like that.
    67:36
    Yeah, you might have. I thought I went and looked what you had gotten, and I had barely passed you. But in doing that, I was like, fuck, this game's got some good stuff in it.
    67:48
    Godzilla is so good. Have you gotten to Monster Zero? Have you played that yet? I think that's what I... Is that the new one they added in one of the last code updates?
    67:58
    Yeah, that's when you... You qualify that by getting the super jackpot in Godzilla Multiple. Maybe not. I don't know. I got through a ton on that game where I put up the huge score, and I really enjoyed it. So that was fun.
    68:12
    I need to go through all my Stern games and replace Coil Stops. I just... I could probably go do that today, actually. Alyssa's still not in the labor yet. Oh, my phone did get a missed call. Please don't be here. We're good. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, I've switched up a bunch of things at my location because I was making room at the house. So I took Frontier and Viking down there.
    68:39
    And then, so again, I was not loving Cactus Canyon, but it was earning well. And again, quality product. I just didn't personally enjoy the game a ton. But a lot of people really liked it. and then I've still got my P3 coming which something's going to have to leave to make space for anyway so I've been like planning that something was going to have to sell and then I had a Centaur that I picked up cheaply and was going to operate it for a bit and then I was like okay I'll keep because I wasn't expecting to get Cactus Canyon so soon I thought I was going to have like a six to eight month wait and instead I got it in like five weeks which was crazy but awesome yeah they did a good job so anyway I was like okay I'll just sell this centaur and then I'll have room for the p3 and then instead of selling centaur someone offered me a cheetah which is a game that I've like had but I've never had a good working one I always picked up project ones so I was like well crap like I can't turn down this cheetah so I'll take cheetah and then I'll sell something else and then literally like in the next day or two I got offered a creature from the black lagoon locally for a good price. And as we know, I still love Creature from the Black Lagoon. I regretted selling the last one. So I was like, okay, I'm going to keep Cheetah and Creature from the Black Lagoon and I'll just get rid of Cactus Canyon. With my thought being, one, I'm not really enjoying this, even though it's earning.
    70:02
    Whenever I put in a new game, it earns well. That's just reality. Something new goes in, it does well for a while. So that was part of what Cactus Canyon, I think, was doing well on and I figured Creature and Cheetah would do well, which they have. Looking at the coin boxes the other day, they're doing good. I'm very happy because I get to play those games and I'm really digging Cheetah. I've never spent significant time on it and I'm just really enjoying it.
    70:30
    There's a lot of little changes down there at the location, basically. That's what I've been up to. I played Cheetah.
    70:42
    I played Cheetah at Pembroke a couple times, and it's a pretty awesome game. Yeah. People were liking it because it's not quite as brutal as some of my other solid states that I have down there. Oh, I also put the Quicksilver that I built on location, which I told somebody I described it as like, oh, that's my new pinball drug, is like building a game and then getting to see other people play it. It was really cool. like i guess it's funny because i really set it up i played a few test games and i went to run out my dolly and my tools to the car and i'm going to come back in and keep playing it because i hadn't really got to play it much um and there was like this dude in there he had on a st louis pinball shirt uh so you know figured he's a traveling guy and he was like dude when you put this quicks over here it wasn't on your website i was like i literally just set it up like i just put my tools in the car i was coming back into play he's like i've never seen one this nice i was like it's brand new i like just built it i was like it probably has 10 plays on the game right now uh he was like that's so cool and he like he stayed there and he played it for quite a while actually but i was like oh this is cool seeing people play a game that like you built and it's like rat rotted it's still in the wildfire cabinet i didn't mess with the cabinet but you're playing quick silver it doesn't matter what the cabinet looks great and it's like that's like a new thing it's like i want to play these games it's cheaper to build them painting cabinets When you get them done, they look awesome.
    72:09
    But the game does not play any different. That's my new thing. I've got a couple more games. I've got stuff to build. I'm probably not going to do the cabinet funnels. I just want to play them. I want people to be able to play them.
    72:21
    I looked it up before I posted it to our Facebook page for North End Pub. I think we're one of eight public locations in the country where you can play Quicksilver. and one of those is like the vfw that's only open one or two weekends a year another one's like another pinball museum that's only open for once a year um and cheetah there was only like six places so like yeah toy story is cool and you're gonna be able to play it not everywhere but a few places you know but like there's very few places where you can play some of the games that i have on location and they're only a quarter so like you know i don't know i think that's appealing to people uh people i want hanging around with playing pinball so that that's been fun for me over the last couple months putting in a few more classics um i'm still waiting for final confirmation on my p3 being ready to ship before i send my payment and i'll have to get rid of something uh mandalorians probably on the cut list i don't know but something i'll have to leave uh and we'll kind of go from there let me ask you about your mando because you have those replacement you had the replacement rails on it after having it do you think that those added a lot to the game yeah just visually like it the clear ramps color cutting across the center of the play field really blocked a lot of the artwork um i know they're clear but like distorts it and yeah i and also the ball travels faster on them like i'm pretty convinced of that too not like insanely but it does slightly speed up the gameplay like a mod that actually affects the ball do you think that that's probably one of the better mods that you've seen done i'm trying to think about other mods like um oh the proton packs that swinks did yeah those are pretty amazing have you seen those in in person i have not seen them in person no i've seen videos and people posting that they have them.
    74:26
    I just installed... I want to look up their name because it's my buddy Matt. But I want to look up his company's name because I installed one of his products on the creature from the Black Lagoon.
    74:39
    And I just messaged him, but I can't remember what his company's name is. It swanksted the snack bar, right? Yep. Luckily, the creature I bought came with an uninstalled snack farm mod and i already had one because i had bought one knowing one day i will have a creature so i was able to sell that yeah i sold that very quickly um so it's m and m creations on the pin side that's the business name the pin cider is sonic what they make uh what they call i think they're mrs switches magnetic resonance switch so specifically the one i bought was for creature of the black lagoon it goes on the the bowl where you're spelling creature so instead of the ball having to hit an actual switch arm and cause friction and slow down your number of spins this installs a magnetic switch right where its spot would be it's plug and play use the exact connector that's already in the game and it gives you like an extra one to two spins per bowl uh which seems silly but when like the only thing i do on that game is play for 4x super jackpots it's super helpful to get that extra spin or two in there um really good product they make them for a ton of games so like if you have a game where you think you might like i know uh shadow is another one that they do where that switch on the crossover ramp on there can be an issue yep so they designed one that attaches so they have like custom mounting for different games you need to know what game you need it for, et cetera. But M&M Creations, they're pretty awesome. Do they have, do they recommend certain switches? Like if you went to their website, would you, would you like, you know, this is a switch specifically for the shadow? Yes. Yeah. That's they have there and they have like recommended mounting locations, which is seem to be in what I assume was like a 3d printed case to like a mounting case for it. So they, you know, the cases change shape. Like the one for the creature literally fits exactly on the side of the bowl. So it just perfectly adheres to that. But, you know, for different games in different spots, I am sure that they have different type of physical switch containers. But, yeah, I would just shoot them a message. It's Sonic and Blue Bow Man, Matt and Dan and M&M Creations. Is that what I said? Yes. I'm sorry. The Pinside business is web. The way the business thing works is not the best. But, yeah, you can email them or call them. But I know they've had some of their switches that were used a lot in the original Cactus Canyon. And then somebody was restoring one and they were able to get a hold of one of these one of these remake play fields to restore their original game. And they switched up some of the technology. So they had to, like, create a new way to mount whatever the switch was from the original, which is kind of interesting. But they figured that out, too. Really smart guys. And they're both just huge pinball enthusiasts that have been in the business or in the hobby for a very long time. Blue Bow Man has like one of the one of the nicest personal collections I've ever seen. So what is the name of their website? The name of their website is M&M.
    77:54
    Like, yep. Like, like, like the candy M and that was the Ampersand. Is that what the name of the symbol is? I forget. M&M Creations and they are on Pinside. I don't even know if they have an official website. I think they just have a thread where they post about their stuff and they have the business listed on there. M&M Creations. I'm going there. I'm searching. Yep. M&M Creations Magnetic Read Switch Catalog. It's a thread and it looks like they have them for probably 30 different machines already, it looks like. Yeah.
    78:30
    I'll send you the link. Man, that's cool. And where are they out of? Indianapolis. Oh, that's awesome, man. Yeah. I know Sonic is part owner of a drive-in movie theater that has an arcade attached to it.
    78:51
    And they operate some games there. They help out at Rupert's Kids Arcade in Shelbyville. and again just have like some cool personal collections too that's awesome yeah i'm trying to think of like what games like definitely the shadow man god that switch just killed me i like modified it myself i made a physical mod like i made this i made a brass plate that screwed onto the wire form at the original switch spot and then i moved this so it moved the switch past where the ball would get hung up.
    79:27
    But yeah, it was just, oh man, what a pain. And then the timing always seemed off, you know, because it was, I didn't move it much, but I moved it enough to where, I don't know, it just threw me off. But I'm trying to think what games I have that like, where's the switch issue? Like sometimes, and how large is the switch casing? Like is it, it could replace, yeah. I mean, if it were a go-on creature, it fits in the exact footprint of the original Switch. Could it go under the playfield? Would it read through the plywood? I don't think it can go through the plywood. I know some of those games that have those, the playfield was, like, cut out for where that Switch would go. I wonder if you could do a sensor that would basically sit in the slot that original Switch wire would. For, like, rollovers? I mean, Alien, that's what Alien uses all over. So, like, it can definitely be done. I don't know if their product is made for that specifically sort of thing. But that's how Alien works. Like, you don't have rollover switches on Alien. It's all. Because, like, on my attack from Mars, like, the orbit, you know, I mean, this is just something that happens with pinball machines. Like, the orbit switch doesn't always activate if you hit the orbit in a certain way. Like, the ball can just fly through there and not activate it. but if you could have like a switch like that, it seems like it would, you know, it picked the ball travel up. Um, that's pretty cool. I would definitely check that out. Um, Tommy, I think I'd have to run. Yeah, it's all good, man. But yeah, I, I'm really interested to see like gameplay video. Like, I think we could talk more after that. I, yeah, my impression is that it's a really, it's a really beautiful game. There's sticker shock, but you know, I, somebody said to me it wasn't at $12,000 but someone was like are you ready for that $10,000 price tag and I'm like well I mean frankly it's like if you've been in the hobby for a while and you built a collection if you have like a premium stern in your lineup like the price tag is about the same like you're saying like a P3 I thought they would have a $10,000 I thought they were going to have a lower model of the game at $10,500 that's what I expected honestly um and maybe if they sell all these maybe they will who knows but i don't i don't see them selling five thousand twelve thousand dollar games i just don't know but in jersey jack's track record is that they will make more games exactly more version more versions of the game so like if they feel if they have ruby red was yellow brick road was you had the black arrow Hobbit. If there's money left on the table, they will get it. And Yellow Brick Road, they remove things. And charge more.
    82:22
    I do think the fact that it's Toy Story 4, it's a specific title. I feel like the license is really, really restricted. Yep, I agree. Where they're like, hey, this is how many units we're going to make. It's because that's what their deal is for. well and just the market as well because it's it's toy story 4 it's only three years old so it's like but why but why but why announce how many units that you're gonna make max make i mean they did that with guns and roses too um and you think that drove sales i don't know i mean probably because that fomo is a real thing um that's a lot of units though yeah i mean it's like from what everything i've heard they didn't sell all 5 000 of the guns and roses yeah i don't know what's bigger toy story or guns and roses i do know guns and roses is bigger than toy story 4 like i you know it's just it's just like we said it's it's a weird time frame on the release of that very specific title so but maybe we'll get the full story eventually like but like with licenses now it's like you it's not even that you need a license to have somebody like drop a coin now it's like you have to have a license that inspires somebody to open up like their like break their piggy bank like you know what i mean like you're talking about like i don't know it's really interesting to think like because guns and roses like your market audience like are they willing to open up their wallets for that theme like toy story 4 is that a wallet opener i mean i think like like some of the rumors that we've talked about with uh stern like jaws right like jaws is a theme where i could go that's a wallet opener or james bond oh yeah wallet opener yeah well and it's part of it's because they have that nostalgia aspect toy story 4 does not have nostalgia to me yeah not not to where you're going to open a wallet like star oh wow star wars star wars is since we started recording sorry jersey jack has released a 26 minute toy story for pinball featurette so when we're done with this i'll go back and watch that and realize we said a bunch of stupid shit god damn no i'm just all right so anyway yeah yeah well look it was good to talk to you and um i hope everything goes well with you guys yeah man you guys are going to be one of the very first to know this friday right next monday we have doctor appointment friday induction on monday so okay yeah like six days from now one way or another i will have a child six days from now that's the crazy part yeah man be a dad uh when will we record next guys we have no idea um i i got summer school till the 24th and then like i'm off for the summer at that point and I'm gonna have the kid and I'm guessing I'm just gonna be trying to keep my life together so that's what I think is gonna happen my my my world is kind of now that my kids are on summer break it's definitely like way more casual um my when school is going on it's just crazy it's just crazy um but yeah we'll we'll talk soon I I yeah I want to go watch this this video now and see how foolish we were yeah you know I'm curious I'm gonna go play some achieve it on at the bar first though so i'm gonna go enjoy some classics and then i'll come watch about toy story 4 and uh to those of you that are buying it i hope it works out great and to those of you who are saving your money for something else you know good for you i'm gonna turn around and play godzilla premium oh well now i gotta go try to beat your score again all right later buddy all right later man i'll talk to you later tom bye