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Episode 225 – Quick Turnaround

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 53m·analyzed·Mar 24, 2024
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt covers Stomp tournament details, Stern March Mania controversy, Pinball Brothers ABBA tease, and Texas Pinball Festival recap.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss their recovery from illness, upcoming Stomp tournament at Rochester Pinball Collective, Stern's controversial March Machine Mania scoring controversy with Eric Stone's Jaws score, Pinball Brothers' teased ABBA game reveal, Pinball Brothers quality issues, IFPA Nationals results (Dalton Ealy winning Venom), Dutch Pinball's decade-long Lola's Night delays, and Ron's experience at Texas Pinball Festival.

Key Claims

  • Stomp tournament has 46 out of 64 spots filled with 16 spots remaining

    high confidence · Bruce directly states ticket sales: 42 people signed up + 4 frozen owner slots = 46 total, leaving 16 spots

  • Rochester Pinball Collective will be the second-largest pinball venue in New York State

    high confidence · Bruce confirms expansion plans; Pocketeer has 89 machines (#1), Long Island location has 85 (#2 currently), Rock Fantasy has 51 (#3)

  • Stern penalized Eric Stone's Jaws score during March Machine Mania competition despite legitimate play

    high confidence · Ron describes Eric Stone achieving $4 trillion score on Jaws during live stream, then Stern took score away and released patch, issuing 'foul on the play' statement

  • Pinball Brothers' upcoming game is likely ABBA-themed, announced for reveal on 50th anniversary of ABBA's Eurovision win in Sweden

    high confidence · Ron: teaser showed chopper pointing to ABBA Arrival album; announcement set for Eurovision 50th anniversary date in Sweden; 'I'm almost 100%'

  • Foo Fighters pinball topper costs $2,000

    high confidence · Ron explicitly states '$2,000 topper' for Foo Fighters machine, designed as light-up band member heads

  • Pinball Brothers has ongoing quality control issues with machines arriving non-functional

    high confidence · Ron describes recent customer receiving Alien Ripley with no boot, waiting three weeks for repair response

  • Dalton Ealy won IFPA Nationals and received a Venom machine as predetermined prize

    high confidence · Bruce states Dalton won Nationals, received Venom as fixed prize (not player choice); suggests Venom becoming standard Stern tournament prize

  • Dutch Pinball took approximately 10 years to complete Lola's Night early receivers

    high confidence · Ron: 'It only took you fucking ten years. Ten years.' referring to completion of Lola's Night early receiver fulfillment

Notable Quotes

  • “This is terrible. No, no. This is terrible... What a fucking clusterfuck. Whoever's in charge of marketing.”

    Ron Hallett @ March Machine Mania discussion — Scathing criticism of Stern's March Machine Mania campaign execution and messaging

  • “He didn't take the glass off. He played the game for the code that was there, and then you penalize him. It's like, hey, I'm walking up the court and bouncing the ball, and, oh, you're traveling.”

    Ron Hallett @ Eric Stone Jaws score discussion — Analogy defending Eric Stone's legitimate play against Stern's score invalidation; indicates the community perceived the penalty as unfair

  • “I paid $6,000 or $7,000 for my game or $8,000, and guess what? I just put two more fucking thousand dollars in it. That does nothing for my game.”

    Ron Hallett @ Foo Fighters topper discussion — Frustration with high-priced accessories adding no gameplay value; broader concern about pinball spending escalation

  • “Will it sell great? Who knows? Will it be a winner? Will the winner take it all?”

    Bruce Nightingale @ Pinball Brothers ABBA game speculation — Skepticism about ABBA market appeal despite game quality; references Waterloo lyrics

  • “Your taste in pinball sucks. Wow, because of one game. One game. Well, he's crashing on the best game from Slam Hill.”

    Ron Hallett @ IFPA Nationals prize machine discussion — Disagreement with Dalton Ealy's game preference (apparently preferring Trident over Stars); shows personal gaming taste affecting tournament prize perception

  • “Ten years. Decade. Ten fucking years. And now they're going to do... They're going to do a John Papaduke game.”

    Ron Hallett @ Dutch Pinball Lola's Night completion discussion — Frustration with decade-long fulfillment delay; bitter tone about subsequent game announcements

  • “I didn't need my earplugs to stop. I didn't get bombarded with this sound when I walked in.”

    Ron Hallett @ Texas Pinball Festival venue assessment — Positive feedback on TPF layout improvements reducing noise levels

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonRochester Pinball CollectiveorganizationStompeventTexas Pinball FestivaleventEric StonepersonStern Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Dutch Pinball's prolonged fulfillment delays (10 years for Lola's Night) raising confidence concerns about subsequent game announcements

    high · Ron: 'Ten years... And now they're going to do... They're going to do a John Papaduke game'; bitter, resigned tone suggesting credibility damage

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern invalidated Eric Stone's legitimate $4 trillion Jaws score during March Machine Mania livestream competition, then released patch claiming bug and issued 'foul on the play' statement despite no glass removal violation

    high · Ron describes live-streamed score invalidation: 'He didn't take the glass off. He played the game for the code that was there, and then you penalize him'; called decision 'fucking bullshit' and 'arrogance'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stomp tournament successfully filling capacity with strong women's registration driving prize pool growth

    high · Bruce: 46/64 spots filled, 'we can always use more. More women means more money in that pot for you guys'; separate women's tournament organized

  • ?

    competitive_signal: IFPA tournament prize selection (predetermined Venom machine) and game preference disagreements affecting player satisfaction with Nationals results

    medium · Bruce: Dalton Ealy won but 'didn't get to pick it... predetermined'; Ron disputes Dalton's Trident preference: 'Your taste in pinball sucks... crashing on the best game from Slam Hill'

  • ?

    event_signal: Rochester Pinball Collective expanding to become 2nd-largest pinball venue in New York State with infrastructure upgrades

Transcript

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0:00
Help! Hey, you buttholes, open the box. I think, like, no one can hear us or something. Damn it, Beavis, you've got us stuck in here. Yeah, sorry.
0:12
Hang on. I need to scratch my butt. Damn it. There we go. Wait, was that your butt or my butt? I don't know. I think it might have been my hand, actually. David, you better get your hand off whoever's butt it is. Sorry, butt it, I can't hear you. My butt's in your face.
0:48
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Pill Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Howdy ho, I'm back from death. We're both recovered. Yes, God. My voice is back. Mine's getting there. Getting there? Yeah. Getting there? Mine took almost a month. It was bad. It was really bad. I felt like I was Peter on Brady Bunch at one point. How you doing? Yeah.
1:21
At one point, I had no voice. I couldn't even talk to anybody at work. Yep. Everyone's asking me questions, and I'm sitting there going. And they're going, this is the greatest thing ever? It is. Yeah, I lost my voice for two days. Yeah, about two days for me. And even when it came back, I could only talk low. Yeah. If I tried to talk any higher, nothing came out. Or my wife, she's like, I love my wife. I love my wife to death. Until I'm downstairs in the basement, and she's yelling at me saying, and she expects me to yell, and I can't yell. So I just ignore her. Then she gets all mad at me because, why didn't you say something to me? Why didn't you say something to me? It feels good to scream again. It does. Not for me yet. Oh. But you're still loud because you're always loud. Yes, I am.
Pinball Brothers
company
Dutch Pinballcompany
Dalton Ealyperson
Jason Zollerperson
Andy Cushmanperson
March Machine Maniaevent
IFPA Nationalsevent
Pinmastersevent
Spooky Pinballcompany
ABBAmusic_group
Foo Fightersmusic_group
Pocketeervenue
Gundam N' Rosesgame

high · Bruce details expansion: knocked out walls between rooms, removed vent system, new electrical layout planned; carpet install scheduled May 7; will host Stomp tournament with 16 remaining spots

  • $

    market_signal: Stern establishing Venom as standard IFPA Nationals prize machine rather than player choice; pattern suggests deliberate marketing/distribution strategy

    medium · Bruce: 'I think that's going to be the thing now... everyone gets a Venom... You get a Venom, and you get a Venom'; speculation about future pro circuit prizes also being Venom

  • $

    market_signal: Stern's March Machine Mania campaign execution perceived as poorly marketed despite conceptually sound state-based leaderboard competition format

    high · Ron: 'What a fucking clusterfuck. Whoever's in charge of marketing. This is terrible'; criticism of announcement clarity and presentation despite acknowledging 'great idea' for state competition concept

  • $

    market_signal: Escalating accessory pricing perceived as unsustainable; $2,000 Foo Fighters topper adding no gameplay value

    high · Ron: 'I paid $6,000 or $7,000 for my game... and guess what? I just put two more fucking thousand dollars in it. That does nothing for my game'; frustrated tone about manufacturer profit prioritization

  • ?

    announcement: Pinball Brothers confirming ABBA-themed game with reveal scheduled for ABBA's Eurovision 50th anniversary in Sweden

    high · Ron: teaser image showed chopper pointing to ABBA Arrival album; 'I'm almost 100%' confident on theme; scheduled reveal for Eurovision anniversary date

  • ?

    product_concern: Pinball Brothers experiencing ongoing quality control failures with recent releases arriving non-functional out of box

    high · Ron reports customer receiving Alien Ripley with 'Nothing happens. Nothing. Nothing boot' after three-week wait for support response; references 'new people still having issues'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community skepticism about Pinball Brothers game viability given quality issues and marketing execution concerns

    medium · Bruce questions ABBA market appeal: 'Will it sell great? Who knows?'; hosts debate whether European vs US market preference; background of quality issues colors reception

  • ?

    venue_signal: Texas Pinball Festival layout improvements successfully reduced noise levels and spatial constraints through equipment reorganization

    high · Ron: new layout moved games to hallway, 'did have more room inside... not as loud... I didn't need my earplugs... didn't get bombarded with sound'

    • 2:09
    Yeah, we've been gone for a while. Yeah, almost a month. Yeah. We were hurting. And I've got to get this out quick. This is going to be a quick turnaround. Quickie. I love quickie. I don't have time to edit because this week is going to really suck at work. Oh, I got the same thing.
    2:23
    So we've got lots of things to talk about. and I'm going to take him in order. Are you ready to get started? I'm in order. Number one. He said number one.
    2:34
    Stomp. I'm just going in the order I got here. What are you going to talk about TPO first? We will. Don't worry. Everyone else has. So Stomp. What's going on with Stomp, Bruce? The tickets went on sale and all that. Have we sold out? No, we have not. But we're getting there. It's 42 people signed up with four still frozen in the background for the four owners. Why are they? Oh, okay. So they're frozen? They're frozen. Like Han Solo and Carbonite? Yes. Are they going to? Okay. Yes. So we have 46 out of the 64. So there's only really literally 16 spots left. Really? Literally? Literally. Yep. So if you want to join us, you're more than welcome. We have plenty of spots left. 16. Car pool with somebody. A lot of people coming up from New York City. So what's the details, Bruce? When does this happen? It is happening. Oh, God, you're killing me now because I've got to talk more.
    3:32
    Oh, this is a podcast, Bruce. Yeah, I know. I know, but I thought you were going to be the male lead. I am the male lead, Bruce.
    3:42
    Thursday the 30th through Sunday the 2nd. But Thursday is an optional day. So it does not include the payment. So it's really Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, $125. Pays for everything, including entry fee, all the funds going to the prize pool and to the trophies, all that fun stuff.
    4:06
    I got to do trophies today for our League League. And where's the Rochester Pinball Collective located, Bruce? In Rochester, New York. Thank you for knocking. In beautiful East Rochester, New York. 349 West Commercial Street, Suite 2965, 2970, and 2980.
    4:27
    Wait a minute. There's more? Yeah, there's more. You know that. Well, they don't know that. Well, we did hint and haw. I think you guys bought the – you guys have the room next to it now. Yes. Did you knock out the wall already? Not yet. No, the wall is not – everything else is – we're getting there. Yesterday I spent literally 12 hours working on the place.
    4:53
    We had to take out a vent from a previous, like they had a sub shop below us years ago. And the vent went through our room. So they had to take that out last week. And they actually had to concrete the floor back.
    5:10
    So that was pretty interesting. But that's all done. The room is complete. I'm going to send Ron some pictures so he can actually, you won't be able to see these people, but Ron will be able to see this. It's a great thing to do in a podcast. It is great. Send things that people can't see. It's great. Exactly. But it's coming along. The hope will be, as we said, I'm hoping May 15th. Carpet's ordered.
    5:35
    Carpet person's already scheduled for May 7th. So when I'm gone in Hellentown, we'll be hopefully doing that. Other things, just, you know, trying to get everything done. Oop, there's your bing. There's my bing. Oh, yes, I got this. Why do I have this on? Oh, it's because I'm on call at work. That's right. I don't want to miss anything. You don't want to miss anything, but there's some pictures for you. You can see the difference. I don't want to miss a thing. Let's do a bronze reaction. Oh, you did tear down walls. Oh, yeah. Just the other walls. Yes. All the other walls are gone. It had two offices in it and a kitchenette. We ripped out the kitchenette. We ripped out the offices. Look at all this room. Yes. It's going to be great. Now we're just aligning electrical, and we have the layout laid out.
    6:23
    I don't even know exactly. Well, we know we have the layout of the layout. Yeah, the layout of the layout. Okay. And we know the maximum games we can get in there. Oh, you already have a number. What's that? We're going to be the second biggest in the state And the second biggest what in the state? Pinball place in the state Well, what's the first biggest? Pocketeer Oh, okay They have 89 and they're expanding 6,000 more square feet So they're going to be, you know, they're going way ahead of you Yeah The second place is actually, what's it called?
    7:00
    Long Island, there's a place there's a pinball place they have 85 pinball machines okay third is Rock Fantasy yeah 51 see told Zach we gotta bump up two more and then we'll just and there's another person a private homeowner who rent out he doesn't rent out the place but you know once in a while have tournaments at his house and he has 55 oh is that the guy in New York City no that's the guy actually up by us in North of Syracuse okay Rainville. Interesting. Rainville. Okay. But we'll be blowing, we'll probably be number two. All right. Which will be pretty cool. Number two. You'll literally be a big turd. Number two. So, Stomp, there's tournaments on Friday afternoon, all day Saturday, all day Sunday. We'll have a women's tournament also. We've had a lot of women sign up. We can always use more. More women means more money in that pot for you guys.
    7:58
    Always. Trophies will be had out for all the groups. and then the big grand prize winner gets the belt. And you can meet Bruce and Ron. And we're not even playing, unless there are two backups also in case, like if we're at 46 or we need one of us, we'll figure it out. Me or Ron will play. Bruce will play, yes. Yeah, Ron will play. No.
    8:25
    And you'll be able to listen to us on the Rochester Pinball Collective for Twitch. We'll be broadcasting the whole weekend. It'll be great. As soon as I bring your battery back, so we can actually do that. You should do that. Because I didn't get there for the Jaws launch party. Nope. We had the Jaws launch party. I think we had 18 or 19 people, I think it was. I can't remember exactly. Now, the question is, did Zach win?
    8:50
    I don't remember. I actually hurt my finger. I cut my finger open. You cut your finger open? Yeah, I cut my finger open. Wait a minute, on a shark? No, on a machine. I went and I was trying to grab something, and I just ripped the side of it with my flipper button. Oh, no. I couldn't even play. I cut my finger on glass there. So it's like a dangerous area. I'll just pinball collect it. Walking on, walking on. Didn't Andy win? I think he did, yes. Yes. Zach didn't win, which is the important thing. Yes, the important thing. And I think that was Andy's first win there. Big one. Very nice. Congratulations to Andy Cushman. A good player. Had by all.
    9:34
    I'm going through my items here. And some of them I think I'm going to skip because they're kind of covered by TPF. Okay. So there's going to be a Guns N' Roses update coming. Are you excited?
    9:48
    A Guns N' Roses code update. Dead. Silence. That's the Pirates owners wondering where their final update is. Yeah. Well, the difference is Guns N' Roses is their biggest selling game they ever made in Pirates. Yeah. No. So there you go. But I want another version. I want another run of it because we were stupid. We didn't want to get it. Well, they took too damn long. It took a year after the reveal before they actually started making them. It was terrible. That killed it. Yeah. That killed it.
    10:24
    What else do I have on here? I have a little note. I watched one of the Looney Tunes stream after Spooky, and I have to say the voices are spot on. I'll give them that. That's good. I'm giving that. It doesn't take me out of it thinking, like, wow, that doesn't really sound like Bugs Bunny. No, it sounds like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck and Porky Pig. That's good.
    10:47
    I forgot how funny some of that shit is. The one where Daffy Duck is Robin Hood, and he's trying to convince Porky Peg, i.e. Friar Tuck, that he's Robin Hood. And you see the rich traveler, he's going to steal the money. Like, look, young, weary, rich traveler, I'll steal from him and give it to some poor, unworthy slob. And that'll prove I'm Robin Hood. Yeah, I know. Just poor, unworthy slob. Oh, I'm sorry.
    11:15
    My favorite cartoons are actually the Tex Avery ones. Yeah, I got all of them That's part of my Special collection, yes That is the best guy of all Yeah, if you like zany shit The car of the future, the house of the future Oh yeah, how many did they have? Car of the future, house of the future Farm of the future They were kind of struggling for things at the end there There's another one Like TV of the future Yeah, it was like TV of the future Yeah, they were, it was funny though I love those Yep.
    11:48
    Wow, this has nothing to do with pinball. Where's our tech-savory pinball machine? There we go. It's like droopy. That's what we need. We got to play.
    11:56
    Oh, okay. I have this one. Stern March Mania. March Machine Mania. This one, well. What a fucking clusterfuck. Whoever's in charge of marketing.
    12:10
    I'm going to be honest. This is terrible. No, no. This is terrible. You have a thing where you actually have the state. Great idea. You have the states fighting against each other. Yeah, let's see what, okay, for people who don't know what it is. I got it right here. That's the actual post from Stern Pinball. It says, March Machine Mania is here. This is the start of a brand new quest from Insider Connected, and we can't wait for everyone to storm the court and participate. We're giving every pinball player across the world a chance to contribute daily to their state's total. How are they going to do that for world? State, I guess country? International. It's international, and then it's United States and all the provinces of Canada. Yes. All right. And State's calling, climb up the leaderboard. Here's how it works. Whenever you play and log in via Insider Connected, that is the state you'll be representing. Each day, we'll take your high score from each machine you play and add that score to the state's average for the day. You can check the leaderboards daily to see where your state finished with the rankings split into divisions. No brackets, just leaderboards. So the best score wins. I should do that voice instead. What an amazing shot. All players located outside the United States will be playing on our international team.
    13:27
    At the end of each week, badges will be awarded based on where your state finished in the leaderboard. Basically what happened was Eric Stone Played Jaws They played Jaws That's one of the games you could play And he streamed it So we know there's no cheating And he got $4 trillion He finished all the Mini Wizard modes and then he hit the real thing Which just goes up exponentially Forever And then Stern calls Foul Yeah they took his score away Which was fucking bullshit. And then they released a patch for Jaws because they said it was a bug. But the worst thing is they released a comment stating there was a foul on the play. Yeah. Holy shit show. He didn't take the glass off. He played the game for the code that was there, and then you penalize him. It's like, hey, I'm walking up the court and bouncing the ball, and, oh, you're traveling. I wasn't traveling. I was bouncing up. Nope, nope, traveling.
    14:36
    Well, if he was Patrick Ewing, he probably was traveling. He probably was. Yeah, half the guys. But, you know, it's just like, what the fuck? I was actually dumbfounded by this stupidity. Yeah, it kind of changed the, I mean, don't have Jaws in there. Exactly. If this is a possibility.
    14:53
    So, what Eric did the next week, he played Batman 66. Yes, and he fucking just blew it up again. $14 trillion? Yeah. Some just obscene. He played it for four hours. Yeah. It crashed the first day, the first hour, and he had to replay it again. It's just, I would never want to. See, that makes me not want to play a game. It's like, you can play that for four hours. That's not a game I want to play. No. And this is a location game. Yes. So it's not like it's, you know, really tight, you know, in lanes and, you know. It's just. But the thing was really annoying was Stern took his score away. It was live. It was being streamed. Yeah, because there's other scores there that people are probably taking the glass off into. Oh, I guarantee it.
    15:45
    But holy fuck, I saw that. I was like, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. So unlike you, Bruce. It annoyed me. It was just like, you know, arrogance. Very, you know, like, oh, well, you know, here's what we're going to do. we're going to cancel these scores out. We're going to make everyone even again. Guess what? Don't put code or don't put the game in if the code's not up to date or if there's a bug in it. You don't even know. Wait. You're at .85 on your code.
    16:15
    It's not even up to 1.0. Don't put it on the tournament. Sorry. And don't accuse somebody of wonkiness when it was done legit. Mm-hmm. That's the thing that really pissed me off. Mm-hmm. Well, another thing that probably pissed you off were the flu accessories that were released. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. But the $2,000 topper. Oh, my fucking God. Did you like... I like the topper. It looked pretty cool. The topper looks great.
    16:45
    I don't want to have a car payment that has my fucking topper. $2,000. It's got a... Here's my down payment on a car. Here. I'm going to walk in and slap this Foo Fighters thing right in the dealership. It's the head of the Foo Bot. Yeah. And it's got all the band members on it across that you can light up, kind of like the Voltron. Well, yeah, that too. That's like Voltron. You get all five and I'll form the head. You want to form the head, so you're the black lion, basically. I just want to form my head. I'll be the blue lion. Okay. I'm trying to remember who was in each one in that show. The blue lion was the girl. The green lion was the... No, no, no. She was like the purple lion. Was she the purple lion? Or the pink lion or whatever. And their suits matched whatever color the lion was. Oh, the blue one was the second-in-command guy. Yeah, I can't remember. They had the one kid who I couldn't figure out if it was supposed to be a boy or a girl. Yeah. Like the entire run of the show. They had the one guy that left and then was replaced by the princess. Yeah. The leader guy. The other... There was another like a heavyset guy. The heavyset guy. It's just like the same group of people that they had in Battle of the Planets. Okay. Or Gotcha Man. You ever see Gotcha Man? No. Battle of the Planets, you probably remember. Mm-hmm. With the Phoenix.
    18:05
    Oh, I was listening to Final Round. Mm-hmm. That voice, that one. Yeah, they're doing great. Good. Yes. And Marty mentioned a show called The Young Ones, and Jeff Jules had no idea what it was. And Marty wanted to know. So write in if you know what that show is. Just to let you know, Marty, I know what that show is. I do not. So I'm with you. Yeah. No, no, you're not with me. You're with Teal'us. I'm with Teal'us. I'm with him. Yes. It was on MTV briefly. Oh, God, I didn't watch MTV at all. Yeah.
    18:38
    Now it's a pregnancy show. It's a show from the – you'd probably like it, though. It's a show from the early 80s, a British show with these guys. I'm trying to remember. It was like a stoner, a stoner dude, a punk dude, a guy that was basically just an asshole, and then a much older than the other three dude. It was weird that he was on the show. And just weird. Like Lenny and Squiggy. And weird shit would happen. Like all of a sudden Motorhead would be in their living room just playing the song. It was very, very bizarre. Yeah, that's very weird.
    19:09
    Let's see. What else do I got here? Oh, yeah. Well, so we got the topper. They also had other accessories like the shooter thing. that I'll never get. Oh, God. And side rails. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's right. Side rails. Yeah, they had those. But, oh, my God. So food owners would be happy. Oh, come on. Stop. Oh, they can't keep them in stock, Bruce. They make money. Well, there's people... It's all about making money. Guess what? I paid $6,000 or $7,000 for my game or $8,000, and guess what? I just put two more fucking thousand dollars in it. That does nothing for my game. Uh, no, it makes it work more. Nothing. It doesn't even give you an extra mode. Oh. It doesn't even give you an extra mode. Oh, Bruce, it's just money. It's money, and I want my money.
    19:51
    Okay. I'd rather buy a cheesy game or a $2,000 game than a $2,000 topper. Totally agree. Okay. Are you ready to take a chance on Pinball Brothers' new upcoming game?
    20:05
    Did you like that? Yeah, I did. Take a chance on me. Take a chance. I want a Waterloo. Take a chance. I want a Waterloo edition. Waterloo LE version. Yeah.
    20:16
    So, yeah, Pinball Brothers, they started the teasers for the upcoming game. They sent a teaser with a picture of a chopper, which everyone was pointing to the Arrival album. The Arrival album from ABBA. And then they announced when they're actually going to reveal it, which is going to be in Sweden on the 50th anniversary of when ABBA won the Eurovision contest. So I'm thinking it's probably going to be ABBA. Yeah, I'm almost 100%. So what do you think, Bruce? What do you think about that? My mind! That water loose, it's holy and did surrender. Oh, yeah!
    21:01
    Water loose! It's totally different. It's good for European market, I bet you. Because ABBA is way... But there's a lot of ABBA cover bands in the United States that, you know, Will it sell great? Who knows? Will it be a winner? Will the winner take it all? The winner could take it all.
    21:22
    I don't think there's a lot of, like, people. Don't forget, you're marketing to people who have bought Metallica, Kiss, Iron Maiden, and now you've got to throw up Elton John and ABBA. I guarantee you everyone knows the songs, though. Oh, they do. Of course. I went to an ABBA cover band, what, nine months ago, ten months ago. It was great. I had a great time. Me and my wife were dancing and everything. It was awesome. Oh, Dancing Queen. Very good. Yes. But, you know, will it sell for $8,000, $9,000? Would they agree? Hey, we make a good quality. Oh.
    22:01
    We make a good quality. Waterloo, you just broke down and you can't play. Oh, no. Well. It's going to happen. You know it. There's equality. I heard new people still having issues. One guy just got his, wait, he just got his alien Ripley. It doesn't even work first thing out of the box. It's like, nothing happens. Nothing. Nothing boot. I'm sorry. Three weeks he's been waiting for a parade to fucking get back to him. Pinball Brothers.
    22:33
    Hold on, let me just stick this more. Oh, yeah, I'll lift my elbow. All the way up there. Oh, God. I swear to God, stop. Okay. Stop. Make good product. All right. Yeah, I just think Pedretti, the manufacturing arm that's actually making this, they're going to be doing the remakes. Yeah, did you hear the first one? Yeah, Funhaus. Why? $7,400 Funhaus. They made 10,000-plus Funhouses.
    23:08
    Where's the rarity there? I don't get it. We need more parts for heads and bowl, you know, for the eyeball. They need more heads? They need more heads. Okay, they need more heads. I got you. We need more Rudy. No, the reason why they're making that is because they want to put probably the 2.0 Rudy kit. Oh, the 2.0 kits, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, well, yeah, that's the rumor. They're going to have all the different options. You can play the original. You can play this. You can play that. Yes, for $7,400, you get the classic version. For $8,900, you get the Peretti version.
    23:38
    For Dreddy, not Peretti. No, okay. Will it be... You feel bad at Italian, Bruce. Hey, fucker you. Okay.
    23:47
    But will it be DMD? Or will it be, you know, Alphamart? Oh, yeah. No, not Alphamart. Screen, LCD. Because doesn't the new kit have an LCD screen? It does, but what if you're going classic? Oh, yeah. What are you going to do? So it's a kind of a, you know, is it going to be a shit show or not? I guarantee it will be a shit show. You say that about everything, Bruce. Yes. And what am I? You're always right, Bruce. I know I am. Thank you. You heard it, folks, here first. Mm-hmm. All right. What else do we got here? Oh, the IFPA Nationals. Yes. And Pinmasters occurred. They did. And streamed all day from District 82. So let's see The Nationals This is where all the state winners Get together and battle it out To see who is the ultimate winner Because there can be only one And the only one was Dalton Ealy won Yeah I have a problem with that Him winning? No no no Or what he got No no not even that Well he won a brand new Skirm pinball machine He did But he didn't get to pick it What? I think it is barged. Yeah, they didn't. It was predetermined, the machine he was going to get. And I think, you remember whenever anyone would win something, Stern would just give them a WrestleMania? I want that. Well, I think Venom is going to be the new one. Oh, Jesus Christ. Because they gave him a Venom. Oh, fuck me. I think that's going to be the thing now. I wouldn't be surprised, like, pro circuit winner, you just get a Venom. Like, everyone gets a Venom because they got the Venom. You get a Venom, and you get a Venom, and you get a Venom. Well, what's the problem you have, Bruce?
    25:39
    He thinks Trident's the better stars. Oh, he thinks Trident's better than stars. Yeah, Dalton is totally wrong there. Totally wrong. So wrong. Sorry, Dalton. I like you as a player. You're very good. You're very nice. You're very friendly. You have great personality. Your taste in pinball sucks. Wow, because of one game. One game. Well, he's crashing on the best game from Slam Hill. Oh, that's true. So guess what? You get a thumbs down from us. And then Pinmasters is the golf format. Yes. Which is just very brutal the way they do it. Oh, my God. Holy shit. And Jason Zoller won that. Yes, we knew he would. Yeah. So we have no winners, like over 25.
    26:21
    You know. Let's see. What else do we got here? I don't know. What else do we have? You have the list. I do have the list. He didn't share the list with me. So I am like in the dark. Yeah, you're in the dark. In the dark.
    26:40
    Sorry. Sorry, Dio. I was going the other way. We have. I was going Mr. Skinner. Mr. Squire. Oh. Oh, yes. Yes. Mr. Billy Squire. Yes. His career was ruined by that video where he wore that outfit. Yes. Poor guy. Yeah.
    27:00
    Lola's. That's so Dutch. Lola's the night. I know. What the fuck is going on? We just made fun of Dutch, you know. Well. That they didn't. And they finally made it up. Early receivers are complete. Yeah. It only took you fucking ten years. Ten years. Let's pat ourselves on the back for doing a great job, guys. Well, think about it.
    27:19
    That's a decade. Ten years. Decade. Ten fucking years. And now they're going to do. Do not scam everyone. Yeah. Now they're going to do. What is it? They're doing a John Papaduke game. Great. What was it? Alice in Wonderland? One of those. Alice in Wonderland. It was. Alice in Wonderland? Yeah. And then the Back to the Future without assets or whatever. I know, which makes no fucking sense. So, good luck. Yeah, good luck with that. Maybe we're totally wrong with what it is, so who knows. Yeah, way to fail. Wow. If they don't have assets for Back to the Future, you've got to come back with me. Where? Martin, you have to go back with me in a pack of time. Well, thanks. It's Martin McFly. No, it's Martin. It's Martin McFly. You can't follow it. Okay. Oh, I get it. All right.
    28:11
    Thanks, Dick. Instead of Doc yeah Dick Jesus Christ What the fuck Maybe they can pay Huey Lewis enough to at least get this song Maybe. Or you do the ZZ Top Cheap version. You go to... Yeah, we know ZZ Top has no issues being in pinball machines. No, they don't. They were in two.
    28:40
    Is it two? Oh, yeah, Lethal Weapon 3. Oh, three then. They're in three. Lethal Weapon 3, Terminator. No, not Terminator. Lethal Weapon 3, Getaway, and what's the third one? Back to the Future. Oh, they're in the game. The third one is in the original game. Wow.
    28:58
    I seem to remember they're in another one, too. If anyone knows, you can please send it to us at slamfillpodcast at gmail.com. It's been a while since I said that. Wow. All right. I went through the first initial bunch of crap here. I'm ready for TPF. I'm not. I didn't go. Yeah, Bruce didn't go. So you can ask me questions as I go through all these different things here.
    29:25
    So TPF was last weekend at the Embassy Suites in Frisco, Texas. Me and my dad got there earlier. We got there Thursday.
    29:38
    Because there's actually a direct flight now. From Albany to DFW. It's amazing. But there's only one a day, and it's at like 6 in the morning. So our hotel wasn't ready. So we went across the street to the mall, which has a true IMAX screen over there. And we watched Dune 2. Which was good. I saw it in inferior IMAX. Yes, yes. But it was good. Yeah. I mean, what wasn't good was the 40 minutes of trailers and commercials before it actually started. Oh, God, it's fucking terrible. It's supposed to start at 105. It started at 145. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I am not exaggerating. No, he's not, because that same thing on mine. Eight or nine fucking trailers. And I'm watching the trailers, and I'm like, okay, there's the Ghostbusters one. Yep. Then I'm watching another, like, is this Twister? Oh, no, it's Twisters. Oh, okay, more originality. Okay. Nobody can think for themselves. Then I'm watching this other one, and halfway through it, I'm like, this is the fall guy. Yes. Like the 80s show. This is what this seems like to me. And then at the end, the fall guy. Fall guy. Are you fucking kidding me? Wait, wait. They just released this week on Netflix. What's it called? Roadhouse. Oh, God, no. Yes, they remade fucking Roadhouse. No. Terry Funk got in it. I refuse to watch it. Fuck you. I told you. Come on. It's so bad. None of these fucking writers can write. Yes. eight or nine trailers, and then you watch commercials, and I don't know about you, but when I was a kid and went to the theater, they would have an occasional commercial, but it would be a special commercial, the kind that you could only see in the theater. Yeah. It wasn't something you would see on TV. It would be on TV. It would be a bigger budget. It would be widescreen, so it would be like, it's a commercial, but this is totally, I've never seen this before. Wow. No. No, this is just the same shit you see on TV. This is bigger. Like, fuck you. and then I got it's the same what is it AMC the same ones you guys have in Rochester I think so I got to see what's her name Menudo she comes on like hope you enjoyed our trivia it's like I've been there for 10 minutes bitch and I haven't seen any fucking trivia what the fuck are you talking about and when I do see trivia usually you see 10 questions and then you just repeat over and over yep but the movie was good so but the experience sucks ass now it's horrible So, terrible.
    32:06
    All right. I feel like an old man yelling at a cloud. Old man, you're, ah! So, you went to TGIF. And you flew home, and that was it. No, no. Then I went to TGIF. So, they had a new layout this year. Mm-hmm. And they put a lot of stuff out in the hallway that was inside to make more room and move stuff around, and it did have more room inside. And it was definitely not, it was loud, but not as loud. Okay. I didn't need my earplugs to stop. I didn't get bombarded with this sound when I walked in. So that was nice.
    32:41
    Let's see. I'm trying to think what I did first. I noticed there was a lot of duplicate games. And I don't mean like the new ones. I mean things like multiple F-14 Tomcats, multiple Bad Cats, multiple – there was a lot of multiples. Bad Cats. Meow, meow, meow, meow. I still love that. I'm sorry. You know that I am on that. You know I am Python. Yes, you are. Yes, yes.
    33:12
    So let's just do the tournament quickly. How did you do there? I thought I did well. I didn't qualify.
    33:21
    But I played. So the way they did this, it was limited qualifying. So classics, you got ten chances. Ten, ten entries. you had to get scores on four games.
    33:35
    Okay. How long do you think it took me to play ten entries? Normally at a tournament, I would say five to six hours for ten. Total.
    33:48
    Because if they're busy, you know, that kind of stuff, you have lines. Okay. It took me ten hours to play ten entries.
    33:56
    The cues were sometimes 15 deep. You put yourself in queue, and you ain't playing it for an hour. And the main reason, more than anything else, was the actual games.
    34:12
    Because they had... Okay, which of these games would you play, Bruce? Okay. Centigrade 37. Cleopatra. Baracora. Far Out. Harlem Globetrotters.
    34:26
    Ice Fever. Mars Trek. Sorcerer. Okay. If you guessed at least Sorcerer and Barracora, you would be correct. Yes. Because everyone played those because that's what you're going to do. You're going to play those. I picked Far Out because I like Far Out. I played Far Out and Harlem Gold Trotters. Those are my four games. I did one on Ice Fever just because you go through an in lane and try to hit a spinner, and my alien star, Spider Sense, said you should play that. I did. I actually hit the lit spinner a couple times, but it was ball three, and the score wasn't that spectacular.
    35:08
    In my ten entries, I only had one void. So I improved almost every single game I played. See? And I still couldn't make it in. You still couldn't make it in. No. You are the biggest loser. Goodbye. Yes, because if you're not first, you're last. You are. Or was I? Let me look at this here. I think I was 50th. top 24 okay and how many people played uh it was like 200 216 holy shit yeah holy shiitake so I was 14 on sorcerer because my ball 2 went forever let's see 36 on harlem globetrotters 36 on far out and what killed me was I could never get that good barricora score 62nd on barricora yeah So that was a bummer. Now, if I played in Maine, as I'm sitting in queue in Classics, I'm looking over at Maine, I'm seeing queue lengths of like two or three people. Like, damn, I did the wrong thing, obviously.
    36:15
    Yeah. But let me look to see. I'm trying to find the finals here. Oh, yeah, Eric Stone won. And they had what looks like a playoff on Sorcerer for the final game. There you go. Oh, dear God. That must have been exciting. It's a stock sorcerer, folks. No special rob, nothing. You just hit the ramp. And then you hit the ramp. And you know what you do after that, Bruce? You hit the ramp. Yeah, you hit the ramp. Ugh. So painful. Oh, my goodness.
    36:45
    Let's see. Maine. Let's see. Who won Maine? Let me go there. And I'm not heading any of this shit out.
    36:55
    Not at all. Where the hell are finals? There we go. A division finals. Equal to confession. Nice fucking life. Okay, there we go. What?
    37:04
    Anthrax. Oh. Okay. Final. I'm trying to fill the time. Oh, Eric Stone won. Eric Stone won again. Wait a minute. He won both? I didn't think he won classics. No, I don't think he won. Did I misdo something? Yeah. I think you fucked up. I fucked up somehow there. Somebody didn't get their due. Someone didn't get their due. Oh, you know what? He probably had a playoff, but it wasn't for first. or something. Oh, okay. Hold on. Let me look at that again because I stuck. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Jack Revenue, you won. Congratulations.
    37:37
    Congratulations, Jack. Yes, Eric Stone won. He was third. It was a playoff for third and fourth place. Ah.
    37:46
    Yes. Since we care about our tournaments, what else do we have here? I'm trying to find. I think the.
    37:57
    All right. It's not obvious on the page, so I'm going to move on. But that was the tournament. So let's get on to the – What do you want to get on? Oh.
    38:12
    Mr. David Peck brought Motorhead there. Yes, he did. And he asked if it could be a junior game for Slamto, because he knows Stars is our main game. Yes, it is. And after playing it, I have anointed Motorhead is now the junior game. So you got fisted.
    38:29
    Literally, you hit a shot, and it tells you you got fisted. You got fisted. It has a repeatable loop shot. Which is great. And a double flipper bitch on the right. It's got the two flippers so you can drain yourself. Mm-hmm. And the game is loud and obnoxious as all hell. Fuck yeah. So that is a perfect game for the Slam Tilt Podcast, in my opinion. Fuck yeah. Yes. Yes, Mr. Peck. It is now the junior game, Motorhead. And that one's staying in the U.S., so hopefully it makes its way around. That'd be cool. So maybe Bruce can play it. Yeah, I can play it maybe one of these times. Dear God, it was just obnoxious as fuck. It was awesome. It was just great. It's like an older school game. But it has the sparky thing in the middle, but it's a little harder to hit. Okay. And you get fisted. Yeah, and you hit a shot. You big fish, James. Okay.
    39:28
    Great. Thank you, sir. May I have another? You may have another. Oh, man. Let's see. I'm just going to go in order of what I wrote down here. I played more Elton John. And? I really liked Elton John. Well, when are you getting it?
    39:46
    I'll be close. Let's play this way. That was the raffle game. That was the game you could win with the raffle. and they had it out in the hallway, and I don't know if it was a stock-stowned system in the thing, but if it was, holy shit, that thing sounded good. That's all I've got to say. They had it cranked up Friday, but then they had it down after that. They must have got complacent. Complaint, yeah. Yeah, but still. So, what do you got, Nate? Come on. What are you selling, Ron? Ron's selling games to make this into their room, supposedly. I don't sell games. But I... You don't sell games to make room. No, you just put them in storage. Wow. I.E. my bedroom. Or you can put them in the RPC. Mm-hmm.
    40:37
    Oh, me and my dad talked to Franchi while we were there. Oh, and? How's he doing? He's doing good. Let's just say there's lots of future art packages coming for Mr. Franchi. If you like his art, more games are coming. It's going to be exciting.
    40:54
    Yes. Don't worry, he didn't say what the games were. It's just there's lots of stuff coming. That's probably the best thing that happened to him not being exclusive to Stern. Yeah, I'll guarantee it. Because now he's doing, like, what is he, Spooky? He's done games. Spooky and everything else. JJP, yeah. It's just, oh, yeah, American Pinball. Damn. Yep. He's going all around. Yeah, he's going to be doing one for, like, every company. He's pouring himself out. And that's what I love about him Oh gosh What else do I got here Jaws This is the first time I played Jaws Since I wasn't at the RPC launch party there And? I played Pro and the Premium I haven't played the Premium LE yet I've played the Pro a lot The Premium, I got it in the upper playfield Like three times, I never hit it I was not ready It blew past the football three times Oh, shit. Oh, that didn't. Oh, well.
    41:53
    I see what Zach is talking about, our Zach, with the air balls. Yeah, there's a lot of air balls. They are scary. If you hit it in the chum area, it hits that cutout, and it went freaking airborne. I'd be like, ooh. That kind of scares me. Yep.
    42:09
    It's fair. I think it needs a lot more code. I had some initial problems finding shots. Mm-hmm. I do like the clips. I mean, I love the movie. I'm a big fan of the movie.
    42:22
    I don't like the way it stops the ball constantly. Yeah. With the double, the Elwin special, the nylon pop-up post in the in lane.
    42:32
    I mean, it. That's Keith. That's Ron saying that in uppers. Oh, yeah. Well, we know he hates scoops. It really pained him to put it in Godzilla. But usually when it stops the ball, he likes his little nylon up post there. and in this game unlike, was it Jurassic has it in one in lane, this one it's in both in lane and it's used a lot and what I found is every time it stops, I'm like okay, I'm looking up at the instructions and then I'm paranoid that things are just going to go down and my ball's going to drain while I'm still looking at the screen or something you know, and I was hitting both flippers and it was not skipping you know, it was just I know, it won't skip at all I don't know, that's the only thing I would say that bothered me with it.
    43:15
    I mean, I started multi-balls, I finished modes, I played the video mode thing, which was interesting. It's got the three buttons, so I'm trying, how am I going to hit all three buttons? I should put my chin on the center button and do that. Oh my, chin balls. Chin balls, yes. Your favorite.
    43:35
    Is there anything else about that? I mean, they had a ton of them there. So you didn't have to stand in lines that were very long. No, no, no. I didn't think you would.
    43:48
    Let's see. I played Labyrinth again. Mm-hmm. This one, the flippers were kind of... Wonky? One of the flippers were kind of weak on this one. There were power issues in this. Oh, that play you can't handle. Yeah. No show can handle that. They cannot handle it.
    44:06
    Well, I'll segue off into this. You can't handle the power! I met a lot of our listeners there. Yeah. And thanks, all you guys and gals. I love you.
    44:19
    Right? I'm not great with the names, but the guy in the room next to us, we were in room 801, he was in 802. Yeah. I'm coming out of my room as he's going in like, Ron Hallett? Like, oh, no. It's like, he recognized me. And he had me play as Batman forever. And that game is pretty loud and obnoxious. Yes, it is. But he said he tested the voltage, and he was getting, like, 112, 113. Oh, God, that will do damage to boards. So it's kind of low voltage there. Yeah, you need to stop bringing out 500 games and proud of that one. Yeah, but it was a very nice Batman Forever.
    45:04
    With the big screen. He had the super, what's it, color DMD thing in there? Yeah. We'll do stuff, yeah. Multi-ball, multi-ball, multi-ball. Oh, no.
    45:15
    Come on. At least they wanted to let you know multi-ball was happening. Yeah, I couldn't tell before that. Oh, and they flashed everything down to man, saying, start multi-ball here. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. All the flashes going on. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click. That is the last thing I want you to know when multi-ball is ready. Oh, my fucking God, do they. But seriously, thanks to everyone who came up and talked. Yeah, how many people hugged you? I heard a couple of people wanted to hug you, and they backed off. Shake hands, fist bump. We were good. They tell you that you're better than Bruce, of course, and we love Silver Ball Chronicles more than that other crappy show you're on. No, no. Actually, most of the people I talked to listened to both, and they were like, yeah, Slam Tilt's my favorite. One guy was like, it's the only one I listen to. Nice. Yeah.
    46:01
    Thank you. I'm redeemed. They like me. Okay. Hey, Mikey. Okay. Can you back away from your mic? I can, but I don't want to. No, did you? No, I think. There you go. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to keep a consistent volume because I don't want to do editing.
    46:28
    I don't want to edit it either. Yeah. Yeah, you fucker. You don't have to edit shit. you're in my position with my other podcast, Silver Ball Chronicles, which can be heard on the Pinball Network, where we talk about pinball history, and I don't have to edit shit. And you love it, don't you? Oh, I fucking love it. I love it. It's even better when he messes up the editing, and I get the message of him saying, hey, this is really screwed up. Yeah, the volume last time was a little fucked up. Which I don't know because I don't listen to the episodes. Someone told me, and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is really messed up. he's like yeah I know people already let me know isn't it funny whoopsie I love all the sculpts in Labyrinth I love that shit there's so many of them they just pop up and talk to you which I couldn't really hear what they were saying because it was really fucking loud and I love that guy in the left out lane who pops out from the fucking apron and makes fun of you games that make fun of me I am all for although I'm a hypocrite because I complained about the whole you failed crap. Like, start this mode. You failed. Yeah, I know. When did that start? Ever since the freaking Total Violation.
    47:42
    Well, that's at the end of the game. That's at the end of the game. I'm talking more like modes. Alien started it, a couple other things. Oh, didn't... Houdini does it, doesn't it? Yeah. You fail. I wish they would stop with these you fail shit. Nothing like making a player feel like shit. You fail. You've hurt my feelings. Unless it was a Talladega Nights. Is that the movie? Ricky Bobby. You're not first, you're last. You're there last. Then that would make sense. But otherwise, don't tell me I fail. Please. You can laugh at me when I drain. I love that. But don't tell me I fail. It hurts my psyche.
    48:23
    Ron is very broken, as we all know. That's very soft. But, yeah, I couldn't hear enough of Labyrinth. I don't know what I'm doing. I'd have to play that in a – most of these games you'd have to play in a, you know, by itself and nice quiet quarters so you can hear and see everything, et cetera.
    48:44
    Then I went over to the most crowded booth because of the way it was configured, the spooky booth. It's like they gave everyone else more room and they told spooky, like, hey, you're going to be stuck in this corner, do you? Because they had almost no room. There was, like, no room for lines. Nice. So they had Looney Tunes and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and I played both of them. And?
    49:07
    I'm not feeling the orange thing on Looney Tunes, but it was nice having the characters talk to me and stuff like that.
    49:17
    I had trouble remembering to use the upper flippers. Because all the shots go into other shots, So whenever you hit one and it comes out on the top somewhere, you're supposed to use the upper flipper to hit another shot. And I kept letting it blow by it. I felt like Indy 500, the guy, when he says, he hasn't used that upper flipper once. I wonder if he even knows it's there. Is it there? So that's what I felt like.
    49:41
    It's like, you suck, and play better, and get going. Yeah. The Looney Tunes makes a lot of those goofy noises. It's boing, bar-bar-bar, and it may be a little too much for my taste. Yeah, probably a little immature thing for that. But it was, I mean, it shot decent. Better than their games usually shoot. Let's put it that way.
    50:04
    Okay, so one out of ten, and they're now two out of ten. Great win for the World of Tennis. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre definitely seemed further along as far as the rules and everything. It just seemed like it was more developed. I'm not huge into horror or playing games. I like slasher movies, but even for a game, like, oh, let's kill people. Yay!
    50:30
    I don't know. I don't know either. Not my bag, but a lot of people really love that game. That was very popular. Thanks for making all these extra noises that I'm not going to edit out. This is all Bruce, folks. Blame him. Blame Ron. Okay, next I have Ninja Eclipse.
    50:51
    Yeah. So, I think last year, well, Texas last year they had the white wood. Then at Expo they had art on it, but they had the weird cabinets that nobody liked. Yeah. And this, Texas this year, they had normal cabinets. They look like normal cabinets. They have listened to the people. They don't have any weird button configurations anymore. It looks like a normal game. the problem is it's a non-licensed theme that is not going to sell period it's a non-licensed theme it doesn't even matter if it plays good or not no one's going to buy it I know that's not the nicest thing to say but it's like who is it's priced the same well it's a few bucks less right than a CERN so they literally made it a couple dollars less like $6994 I know I shot it I didn't think it shot great it wasn't bad I lit locks and it's like shoot the right ramp to lock balls and the right ramp is super narrow like oh man this is going to be difficult and I had trouble shooting that was not working for me but like I said if you're going to do it go with a licensed team no one knows what this is I can't see a lot of people buying this. I just can't see it. The only thing it's going to do is if he could sell $100 or $200, then he can make his line better and try to figure out stuff. Plus, it comes out of the ashes a deep root, and it's just I just... I don't know. I thought the art was okay. It's fine.
    52:32
    But it's just, again, original things. Speaking of that, we'll go to the next game. Barry O's Barbecue.
    52:40
    So, this is American Pinball's homage to Barry Osler. Last game, supposedly. We'll see. And the proceeds from this go to his family, which is cool. Yeah, that's very cool. Very cool. I will say that. That's very cool.
    52:56
    I played it. Yeah, it's based off Barbecue. And it shot fine. Yeah, there was nothing about it like, oh, my God, this is horrific. Like, no, it shoots fine. It's got the space shuttle locks on the sides. It's got the space shuttle sweepable drop target thing. Yep, yep, which is cool. It's pretty cool. It had what I thought would be cool, which is spinners on the ramps, except when they spin about five times, that's not cool. Because where they are, they are at the top, the apex when the ball goes up, and then they put it there. So most of the steam is out of the ball by the time it hits the spinner, and it barely spins. They should have put him, like, at the entrance if they were going to do that. That made me sad. You know how much I love spinners. I know you do. My favorite play field element is to see him, like, just spin three to five times. It's just like, oh, oh. That makes you sad. But I started a multi-ball. I got jackpots. Did the regular stuff. It does the – it's got the inserts on the center so it counts down so you can see numbers, you know, through the inserts. The inserts form numbers. Okay. Kind of like – I think Space Shuttle did that. Who knows? Yeah, five, four. Probably playing Amish 4, 3, 2, 1. Yeah. And I also – what else does that? I own it. What the – The Circus Safari does that. Yes, it does. So that's cool. I like that. But again, it's an original, unlicensed theme that no one's going to get. I think their ideas are going to sell it to barbecue restaurants. Barbecue restaurants are probably going to be, who's Barry O? Nobody knows who that is. It's a niche within a niche. You have a niche probably, which is pinball, and then you have a smaller subset within that that would even know who Barry O is. Yep. It's like when they had, and I think I mentioned this when Pulp Fiction came out, And they had the trailer. And this is the trailer for everyone. This is like, we want to sell this game. Here's the Pulp Fiction pinball trailer. And one of the things in it was, Mark Ritchie is back. And I was thinking, why have that in there? I know. A lot of people don't know who Mark Ritchie is. They'll be like, well, who's that? Was he in the movie? Did Steve Ritchie change his name?
    55:18
    I know who Mark Ritchie is. I'm just saying, for advertising purposes, nobody knows who that is. Nobody knows who Barry Alclore is. No. I don't know why they insist on the original theme. I'm going to ask you two questions, Bruce. Ask away. And you're going to like this one. Okay. And don't get smart-ass with this. Me? Yeah, you. No. Okay, Bruce. Yes, sir. Bruce.
    55:42
    Yes, sir. What was Jersey Jack's only unlicensed game? Tiled in. What was Jersey Jack's worst-selling game? Tiled in. There you go.
    55:56
    So, I don't... Wait a second, I got a question for you now. What? How many idiots like dialed in? Lots of them. I know two. Lots of them. There's plenty of people.
    56:08
    See, you had to be a smart ass after all that anyway. What an asshole. So, you did it a different way. I didn't see that. Very good.
    56:19
    I'll let you go. Then I came in. Yes. but um i want to see american six news that's why i don't understand it's more of the business choices why do you insist even if the game say the game really like develops and it like this killer game It still not going to sell You know what I mean I know Come on, Dusty. Tell me why. That's right, baby. It's all about original themes here. American pinball. We don't believe in licenses.
    56:53
    I mean, what are their upcoming games? Well, there's the Dennis Norman Whitewater sequel. That play field has been done for years, FYI. Yes, it has. I know at least one person who played the thing. Yes. And they said, you played great. So I'm like, oh, cool. This is exciting.
    57:08
    Yeah, but again, on licensed theme. At least you have a sequel from an existing game, so you might get something there.
    57:16
    And then what's the other rumor? Cuphead? Yeah. I mean, that was big a couple years ago. That'd be like doing an Angry Birds one. I mean, you know what it is, but is it that big anymore? No, it's not at all. I mean, I kind of liked the concept of Cuphead because it uses the old Fleischer animation style, which is cool.
    57:35
    Cuphead is so bad. I would never buy a game. I wish they would just get some good licenses. Please. Please do it. Come on, American.
    57:48
    Come on, Dusty. You can do this. I think the four horsemen need to corner him in a gas station, break his arm, and take control.
    57:57
    And Rick Flair will be doing the license teams all day long, baby. Because they got the money because they're the four horsemen. Woo!
    58:08
    Okay. Yeah, like I said, play fine. It had that super tinny sound that Galactic Tank Force had. I don't understand it. It's not like it doesn't have bass. When I'm playing it, I can feel the bass in the game.
    58:25
    But it's got – we've said this before. When you turn the treble all the way up, that's what it sounds like, and it just cuts through everything. And I don't understand why it sounds that way. Because before GTF, I don't remember their keys sounding like that. No, they're very tinny now. I don't know why. I don't get it.
    58:44
    Queen. I played Queen again. And? And it should be, this is more Complete Queen than I've ever played, as far as code and all that.
    58:54
    I played it forever. It plays very long. Yeah, I've heard that, too. They did some more. There was a bunch of call-outs now, even more than before, from the band members.
    59:07
    We dug up Freddy. No. I think if Freddy came back from the dead, he would kill the other two members for their shitty call-outs in this game. Oh, boy. That makes me even more like, oh, Wembley Lock. It's Roger Taylor and Brian May, and there's just no energy. I cannot see it. There was no way Freddie Mercury would have allowed this if he was alive. He would have been all out in that game, which makes it even sadder to me because I just picture the call-outs he could have done. Yeah. And it makes me sad. It makes you sad. There's a reason he was the front man and those other two guys weren't. You know what I mean?
    59:49
    Yeah. Not really doing it for me. Well, that happens. Let's see. There was one centaur there. Haggis centaur. Yay. Let's talk about that debacle. Why was it a debacle? I didn't actually get to play it because there was only one, so there's always one. No, not that. Not that debacle. just the money and everything. What the fuck are they going to do now? We talked about that before. I know, but is it getting worse? Is it getting better? We don't know. But we do know they had a centaur there. One of the distributors brought it. And?
    60:28
    It was a lion. I didn't even... Where it was situated, I didn't really get to look at it. I peeked over and saw the haggis on the apron. That's how I knew it wasn't a regular centaur.
    60:37
    But that's about as far as I went into it. Okay. Let's see. I went into the – they had a nice homebrew row with a lot of ones I've seen before. They had the Animal House one there, which is a free theme of some valley.
    60:53
    8-Ball Beyond, they had that. Play that again. That's good. I really like me some 8-Ball Beyond. If you know how to play 8-Ball, you can play this game.
    61:03
    They had the Beavis and Butthead. It had the same issues as when I played it. The ball keeps getting stuck in the subway, and you have to shove the game around to get it to come out. They had a Saw and a Nightmare, not Nightmare, Friday the 13th. Yes. The Saw was a rethemed Whirlwind, and Friday the 13th, I think, was a Twister. Mm.
    61:31
    They were impressive because they had all the custom art, custom all-new call-outs, music. Mm-hmm. The Saw music and call-outs were done by our very own Glenn. who does our Team America theme song. Fuck yeah. Good job. Nice job.
    61:50
    I know. They won the. And it won, yeah, won best homebrew. Yes. Or was it Friday the 13th that won best? They had lines constantly. They had some of the longest lines there were for those two games. Which is good.
    62:06
    Because they only had the one of each. But, yeah. I know when I mention homebrews and I say, like, rethemes, people get pissed at me.
    62:15
    Because I'm, like, insulting that it's not a true homebrewer. The thing is, I think my issues with it is when I play a homebrew that's rethemed off another game, I invariably end up trying to play it like the original game. Yeah. Just muscle memory. When I played Saw, I'm there like, okay, I got to hit the direction, stand-ups, and I got to lock the ball, you know, and that's – I think that's what's – it's in my head. I know it is, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was more than just the play – they added stuff to the play field. The shot under the ramp was actually supposed to be the bathroom.
    62:54
    And as a pre-hit, it's at start modes. And the spinning discs, the one looked like a saw. Get it? Yeah, I know. Oh. Yeah. And I've never, I've seen scenes from Saw, but I've never seen the movie. I was never into torture horror. No, I don't like it at all. I'm more of a, like, probably the 13th old school slasher going around killing people horror. That's kind of more my thing.
    63:18
    But, yeah, they were nice. What other thing do they have in the homebrew? That's what I remember, mostly.
    63:28
    That's about it, if I remember correctly. Yep. um yeah I had a note here which I already thanks to yes thanks to the listeners everybody I talked to you all rule um and TPM was nice why doesn't Bruce come out and do these things anymore yeah yeah they all ask where's Bruce and I always say like I say like well he goes to Allentown that's your one shot so that's your one shot to see me Allentown um the highest score I had was not on a pinball machine yeah I heard There was a karate champ there with working joysticks. And I played it, and at some point, the muscle memory finally kicked back in. And I finished it and got, like, 260-something. What would be the third highest score ever recorded, like, right now? Wow. Yeah.
    64:19
    But not as good as my 271 that I had. That used to be the world record. Until? Until it was beaten. Oh, well. But that was fun.
    64:29
    It was a fun show. I didn't get sick after it. That's always great. That's always a great thing. That's a great thing, not getting sick. I was super paranoid about where my hands were and stuff. Wherever your hand falls. Yeah.
    64:45
    And, yeah, it was a fun time. Did I mention Elton John was good? No. I didn't remember that. I can't. Whenever I play it, it's like I'm hitting the side ramp, and I'm like, Warp 1, Warp 2, Warp 3, Warp 4. I know.
    65:03
    Oh, a few other notes. I did go to the Elton John seminar. And what did Steve Rich say? He said, this is the most intricate play field I've ever designed. And I'm trying to think, what does that mean? Is it really the most intricate play field he's ever designed? It's Star Trek with some more stuff. maybe he felt like he could put the stuff that he wanted into it I would definitely think Elvis would be his most intricate design because he had the upper play field he had the hotel the animatronic Elvis which he likes animatronics for his little characters there or you know there's a lot of stuff that he you know hey and he wanted to take this game and shove it up Stern's ass Yeah, he did. I think that's what he said at the end of the – so he's still – He's still a little bitter. He's still – yeah, yeah.
    66:05
    Because he brought up Led Zeppelin, how they couldn't – they couldn't get Stairway for the White Sox. Like, how could I make this game without Stairway to Heaven?
    66:13
    Because I wanted money. That was bullshit. Yeah, so, yeah. You might want to tell him that, too. Yeah. Shuffling up their ass. Well, he's at the age where he doesn't give a shit anymore. Yeah, actually, yeah. He's like 70. He doesn't fucking care at this point. Yeah, he's like, go fuck yourself. I think he had hip surgery and all that shit. So he's old and ornery. He's like... He's like Bruce. No, he's like Homer Simpson's dad.
    66:41
    The old man yells at Cloud at this point. I played in the trivia. Okay, and? I won a couple things. Nice. Yeah. It's very simple. They have all these people that go, like a crowd of people go through this thing, and they ask you a question and give you two answers, like one or the other, and you stand on one side of the room depending on what you think the answer is. And you keep doing that until you get to like four people or less, and then you get prizes.
    67:16
    And the prizes can be things like a play field, you know, a banner, all that, Or it could be a T-shirt, a mug, that kind of thing. So it's all over the place there. And they keep going until they just run out of prizes.
    67:31
    So that was nice. Unfortunately, I was thinking, like, what if I win a play field? Like, I can't bring that back. You have to give it to somebody, and if they're coming back, then you just, you know. Or just redraw for another prize. Yeah. Because I really, they had, one of the prizes was an Elton John banner. That's the thing I really wanted, but I didn't get that. No.
    67:53
    So that was TPF. That was TPF. Mm-hmm. I'm glad I wrote everything down because I would have forgot half this shit. There you go.
    68:03
    That's a good thing. Do you have any questions about TPF, Bruce? No. Come on, nothing? I was there. Ask away.
    68:10
    I already asked you how many people, you know, came up to you. Did anybody call you? You know, that kind of stuff. That's more important to me than anything else. Okay. You already talked over the major stuff and so has everyone else. Mm-hmm. I'm just wondering, you know, pricing. Just the pricing is going to get a little too ridiculous still more and more.
    68:30
    That's where I think we're going to shoot ourselves. It's getting a little gluttony out there. A lot of people are trying to trade and sell games.
    68:39
    Mm-hmm. And I think November is going to be a big old fucking shit show. November? Wait, what happens in November? This fucking election. Either way, we get dumber, dumber. Oh, no, we're getting political. Uh-oh. No, not even that. No, I'm just saying, you know, it's going to be dumb and dumber. So nobody's going to be happy. Dumb and dumber and old and older. Yeah, exactly. God, they are so fucking old. I know. Stop, guys. So old. What happened to, like, 40-year-old presidents? What happened to that? No, we don't do that anymore. That means... They're horrifically old. Yes, I agree. They look like that... You remember the original Star Trek episode, you know, where they all get old?
    69:21
    You know, they're all inflicted with the thing, and Kirk is, like, they're all, like, fucking old as hell. We need that serum. We need a rehearsal or something.
    69:30
    I know. So, Bruce, ready for the ball bag? I'm always ready for the ball bag. Okay. People love my ball bag. Okay, Bruce. All right. This is from Daniel. Oh, they lost the time with Daniel. No, no, no.
    69:50
    Daniel, my brother, you are older than me. Do you still feel the pain? Yes, Ron, this could be in your basement playing as you bring your stereo system downstairs. Yes. Let's see. Hey, all. Episode 224 overall was great as usual. even with the energy vampire as a guest. It was so entertaining.
    70:16
    Who's the energy vampire? That would be Zach. Our Zach. What? Energy vampire. Okay. Uh-oh. They have a problem with you, Bruce. I love it. My one piece of feedback, though, is in regards to Bruce's unfair assumption that the Next Level Pinball Museum in beautiful upstate Oregon bought their Twippy votes. The museum has never in any way that I've seen actively bought votes. No, they don't, Mike. Guess what? Some other people could be doing it. Around Swippy's season, they have a card that says, hey, if you like us, give us a vote.
    70:50
    Instead of that inference, you could have said, it has 500 pinball and arcade games all in free play with a one-time daily entry fee. Over 250-plus pinball machines that span from early solid state to a complete lineup of modern pins. host weekly tournaments for players of all skill levels, have an equally impressive collection of nostalgic arcade games, as well as current games and sit-down shooters. I wonder if they have a Rush 2049 there anywhere. They probably don't. Oh, well, you need at least two. Exactly.
    71:20
    The museum is wall-to-wall covered with movie paraphernalia, collectible lunch boxes, figurines, and posters. The museum hosts birthday parties and corporate events. They actually let kids, I don't know, have fun. Oh, I hate kids. They can't have fun. So do I. So you could presume they bought votes and lumped them together with that asshat Chris the podcaster, or could maybe give them some actual credit as one of the premier pinball destinations in the U.S. Your fellow operator has some solidarity with an equally hardworking location as yours. Do better. No, I'm not saying that, but it seems like I think I heard that a lot of votes came from under the equator. For them or for Chris? A couple people. Oh, okay. I think one thing learned from another, and then they felt like they had to do it all. Other things. The thing is, they're like one of the biggest locations. They're going to have the most customers, and if the customers vote for them, they're going to have the most votes. It's the same as, for example, the credit union I work for. We are the largest credit union in this area. So we have more members than everyone else. And every year they have the best of awards that come out from the Times Union, the local paper. And because we have more members than anyone else, who do you think wins it every year? We do.
    72:51
    Okay. So, yeah, if you have a large location like this and everyone loves it. So that means next year we're going to have pastimes win it now because they have a bigger location and they have all the stuff. I mean, I would think it would be more suspicious if some tiny location wins, you know, with like 30 games, wins the premier location or something. You had Jack Bar and you had all the other places. What's it called you had? What was the one in New York City, the biggest one, until they had that? Modern pinball. No, not even that. The other one. Yeah, modern.
    73:26
    Laundromat. Oh, Sunshine Laundromat. Yeah. Yes, that place had 50 games, and it had a population of literally 14 million people, and they could never get into the top five, or never into, like, top five or four. Well, they just didn't have people who would vote for them.
    73:45
    Yeah, okay. Well, when in Oregon, check out Next Level Pinball Museum in beautiful upstate Oregon. Say Oregon, Bruce. Oregon. No, it's Oregon. Why do you say it wrong, just to piss people off? Because I can. All right, next one. It's from Scott.
    74:03
    Scott S. Okay, I thought it was our Scott. No, no, no. It was such a treat to have Bruce take over the mail ball bag duties while Ron was under the weather, especially doing the voice of Pinbot, sharing the devastating news that Level Zero is going the way of Haggis. What?
    74:20
    What? Too soon. Wow. Perhaps we can get Bruce to do his impression of Ron doing his impression of Stewie. Oh, God. Don't worry, I've got the text ready for him. Now, Bruce, if I had Bruce do any impersonation, it would be Dexter from Space Jam. Sibby! Yes.
    74:39
    Please subscribe to us on Apple. Oh, he wants us to say this? Or does he want you to say it? How about I just say it? Please subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, or your favorite podcast. I don't forget, you can leave us a rating. Remember to leave us a five-star review. That way more people can find us. Wait a minute. He ripped this off of the other podcast. This is literally what I say on it.
    75:02
    Join us on Patreon. Yes. Yes, please become a pro-crowdy. Yes. No Patreon here. No. Thanks for all the great episodes. See you in Allentown. Yes. See? You want to see us? That's where you see us, in Allentown. Well, we're seeing us in Allentown. Oh, yes. Stop. Or stomp. In Allentown. Dun, dun. Well. I got a question, Ron. I got an answer, Bruce. I hope you do. How do you adjust the height on a newer Stern electronics mech of the drop targets? Wait a minute. Newer Stern? I'm so confused.
    75:41
    There's two versions of Stern electronics. So earlier ones like Stars, you can't adjust the height easily. Would you adjust the height as far as like where they sit? Yes. Because they're right now on my play field too low. Because, yeah, because are they original targets? Nope. Yeah, that's why. You got to shim it. You got to shim it, bro. Got to shim it? What the fuck? Yeah, you got to do a shim. I had to do that on, I was saving this for repairs, but on my Meteor, where I put the new targets in, they were sitting too low. Yeah. So I just had actually a thin piece of cardboard, and I just tape it in there where the plate is, where it rests on. Yeah. Perfection now. Perfection. Okay. Because I was thinking, like, how do we adjust these? You know, there's the four-step screws. Yeah, you got to shim it. I was thinking, like, you could twist it. No, you could twist it, but that's the reset plate itself. I mean, you could probably jam the thing to get one side to kind of come up a little bit more. Yeah. But you're not going to get both because it just doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way, I know. Okay. It could be worse. It could be their later ones, like on Dragon Fist, where there's no adjustment. I know. Those suck. All right. This one's from Frank Guida. Oh, I know this guy. This Guida. I know this guy. It's Jeff's dad. I know it is. It's the one who actually gave us our... Oh, my. Yes. Oh, my. It includes a YouTube link. Hi, Ron and Bruce. Ron, you've probably seen this, but just in case. I actually hadn't seen it. Here is an original digital pinball table based on Beavis and Butthead. I first saw it on the YouTube Digital Victory channel in a Best Digital Tables of the Month video. Table looks fun, and the call-outs sound really good to me, making me wonder if they're all clips from the show or if they got a voice actor to do customs. I played the game. They're all from the show. That's cool. There's some pinball-specific call-outs here, like Shoot the Ball. Yeah, that's still from the show. And some classic Beavis and Butthead phrases work well, like, we're going to score.
    77:53
    So, Ron, was there a real Beavis and Butthead where Butthead actually says shoot the ball? Yes. And there's also, some of them I think are from the other games, because they did other Beavis and Butthead games.
    78:05
    There was an actual, the one where they're trying to get to the GWAR concert. Yes. And there's another one, too, that is around. I remember you spit on people. It's pretty cool.
    78:16
    Let's see. Anyway, I thought you would like to see this virtual pinball table and see what Stern could do with Beavis and Butt if they wanted to. Keep up the good work. If only a pinball company would do a Beavis and Butt at pinball. Yeah, that's never going to happen. It would have happened in the last couple of years if it was going to happen. So I've given up on that. Not sure how you guys feel about digital pinball in general. It's how I got into regular pinball. So it's big for me. As for me, it's certainly not real pinball, but it's fun for what it is. I kind of like being able to play Attack from Mars while I'm waiting in the doctor's office or at the DMV. Yeah, so I downloaded this Beavis and Butt-head Table, and then I had to teach myself how to set up visual pinball again because I actually didn't have it set up on my newer PC. I remembered. I remembered all the little nuances, and I got it running. And what they did is they were a little confused with errors. Their idea was we're going to pretend Williams made this in the 90s. Like, okay. But then they made it in alphanumeric, which would have never been, I mean, By the time Beavis and Butthead was out, they were already DMVing it. So there would have never been an Alpha Numera version. So fail right there.
    79:21
    The play field is nice. I'll say that. They need to work on the call outs are crazy different volume levels. They need to do that. In the release notes, there was a note like, how are you going to adjust them yourself? It's like, fuck, no. I'm not adjusting myself. You should be able to hear that they're off. Fix them, author. Fix them. Fix them, table author. Come on. If you literally know that they're off so you made it adjustable, fix it yourself. All right. But it was pretty cool. It has a lot of shit on it. It would probably be a super LE if Stern made it. Lousers.
    79:58
    Okay. So, next one we have from Corey. Hi, Corey. Subject, March Pinball Machines. Okay. Hi, Bruce and Ron. You put your name first.
    80:12
    I should be. B before R. Yes. I wanted to run in to tell you about the March Pinball Madness event that I'm organizing and give you specifically a link to the Stern Electronics Bracket. Oh, I think I heard about this. It's March Madness Bracket with Stern Electronics Games. Ooh.
    80:32
    And it's ongoing right now. People are putting the votes in. Oh, God, they're to the finals? Already? Okay. Okay, so what do we, you know, you got the layout. All right, all right. Let's go top eight. I'll tell you what ended up happening in this. So they had, let's see, the brackets.
    80:50
    This must have been the play-in bracket. No, two play-in games. Okay, I get it. Oh, I love the one. So Flight 2000 versus Galaxy for the play-in game.
    81:03
    Okay, so Flight 2001. Yeah, it did. 71 to 29. Okay. But here's my favorite. The next play-in bracket was Meteor versus Orbiter 1.
    81:14
    Oh, well, Meteor should have won, but I guarantee stupid people didn't. No, people maybe are not as stupid as we think, Bruce. It was Meteor 100, Orbiter 1, zero. Didn't get a single vote. Nice. That's nice. That's very good. Good answer. Gives me some confidence to the voting there. Yes, it does. So then in round two, we had Quicksilver versus Flight 2000. Okay.
    81:37
    Quicksilver, definitely. Yep, they agree with you, the fans. 80 to 20. Okay. Not close. Next. Stargazer versus Big Game. Stargazer. Yes, 70 to 30.
    81:49
    Sea Witch versus Meteor. I agree, they did not. Wow, that's a bad call. 60 to 40. Wow. Yeah, I don't understand people. Lose a little faith here in this one, but go ahead. The Force is not strong with that vote.
    82:06
    Oh, God. Stars versus Nineball. Stars. I'll give you Stars. 55 to 45. Nice. Stars won. That leads us to semifinals. Quicksilver versus Stargazer. Quicksilver.
    82:23
    I'll go with Stargazer, and that's what they went. 67 to 33. Wow, these people are really bad. Well, they were good, then bad. Yeah. Stars versus Sea Witch. Oh, God. Did they fucking pick Sea Witch? They did not. Good. Stars should be the way. Yeah, what they should have had is Meteor versus Stars, so we could have a real matchup. Exactly. That would have been interesting. It still would be Stars. No, it would be Meteor in that case. No, it would be Stars. So in the finals, we had Stargazer versus Stars.
    82:53
    Stargazer probably won, but it should be Stars. 67 to 33. Yeah. So Stargazer is the all-time great, according to this. No, it's Quicksilver.
    83:04
    Quicksilver versus Stars. I can tell you what it ain't. It ain't Trident. Oh! No! Oh! Boom, boom. I actually like Trident. I like Trident. I have one. I just got to get a playfield. There's very few old-sterns that I'd be like, wow, I just absolutely hate this game. Like, Zach hates Wildfire. I don't mind Wildfire. He hates Quicksilver. I know. He's stupid. Yes.
    83:28
    That boy's just not right. Corey says, I took the Pinside Top 100 and broke the 280-plus games into 26 conferences by manufacturer, era, MPU, etc. People are voting on the Windows winners via Shalong.
    83:44
    Shalong. The conference winners plus a bunch of at-large games will go into a 64-machine bracket to find out the best of the best. Mm-hmm. If you're still interested in having guest hosts, I would be interested to come on. Such topics I can talk about are why Zach is great. Our Zach. Oh, because he always volunteers to bring games to Allentown in York. He does. I'm converting all my home machines to take Papa tokens.
    84:09
    I still have Papa tokens. I should bring them. The database I have where I export historical, oh, no, historical IFPA results into a central repository. I was going to say suppository. Damn. Where's my mind?
    84:23
    Why I won't go back to the Pinball Hall of Fame even though my wife is from Vegas and I visit a few times a year. Ooh. Wow. I know why. Even though they made $1.2 million to the charities. Yeah. The exploit on Kirby's Pinball Land for the Game Boy, where you can just play the soccer level over and over to build bonus multiplier. I don't know what that is. Why I'm burnt out from running Stern Pro Circuit events and have switched to focusing on mid-tier events for the local community.
    84:52
    Why I think our local house league is the greatest thing ever and how our state champs had three Stern electronic games in them Quicksilver, Nineball, and Galaxy. You're getting there.
    85:07
    Sure, Corey. Come right on. The state champions that we had at Rochester, we had Stars, Nineball, Big Game,
    85:19
    and I think Stargazer was there also, so we had four. At least. And, hey, when it comes to the RPC finally again, we're going to have a lot more the way it should be. I can't wait to see an Iron Maiden net RPC. Just a pissed off sack.
    85:35
    Which one? Oh, the Elwynn one, not the other thing. No, no. There's a game. Yeah, there's a game. Well, the problem is, I don't think I played a working one for years. Yeah, it's hard. I play it whenever Burke brings it to Expo. I play it, and I swear it never works. I lock balls. I hit every target you're supposed to hit or whatever the fuck you're supposed to do. You start multiball, and it never happens. It never happens. So something isn't right. Oh, I totally agree. Next one is from Jonathan. Hi, Jonathan. Hi, Slam Tilt Fellas. Wow. I can't wait to piss off all the listeners that hate repair talk. Fuck yeah. How did you learn how to repair your machines?
    86:22
    They didn't. Just like the number one podcast in the world doesn't know how to fucking fix anything.
    86:29
    Who's the number one podcast? Supposedly, by the vote of Twippy, was constantly Chrissy, and he doesn't know how to fucking fix anything.
    86:40
    No, he's saying how did you learn to repair your machines? We talk about it. I bought a machine and had to learn. That's exactly how it is. And plus I had an electrical background and mechanical background.
    86:54
    But that's the easiest way. Best thing to do, here's how I learned literally when I first, I got my first pinball machine at 13. I, luckily enough, had two big arcades next to me. Get to know the person who runs the arcade.
    87:09
    Get to know people. Then you can watch them when you're over their shoulder like, hey, what are you doing there? Watch what they do. Ask them to help. That kind of stuff. It doesn't hurt.
    87:20
    Eventually, they'll trust you, and they'll say, hey, okay, let's try something together. It says, do you have any suggestions on where I can go to find pinball-specific repair how-to videos or resources to learn how to make repairs? Specifically, I'm looking at fixing connectors and minor board work. Clay's guys. I stumbled across flipper rebuild and plenty of restoration videos. Kerry Hardy and Hap. Yeah, Hepha's doing, like, videos now instead of the picture summaries he used to do. And he is not liking his Mirko play fields either. Oh, man. Oh, some of the stuff they sent him that he's shown videos on, it's like, oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm digressing here. But those are mostly overview summaries that seem to require base level of knowledge that I don't possess. Yes. I think it's pinreferrer.com. You can also go to the pin wiki. Yeah. Both of those are good online resources to start off with. Clay's videos are awesome if you can. If you can stomach all the extra stuff because some of it did not age well. No.
    88:20
    Especially in today's, yeah. PC market. Yeah, did not age well. But, yeah, the top videos, the thistle pinball videos. Yep. But, yeah, I would say pinwiki and I think it's called pinrepair.com at this point. And he has made some more updates to the ones on there. He has, yes. Yeah. But some of them are still not available anymore, so you have to go to PennWiki for it because he pulled them. That was a whole – you could make a whole podcast about all that drama. Oh, God, yeah. Let's see. He said, I have a player's condition, no fear, which works well enough. However, the GI connector on the power driver board is burnt up pretty bad, and the former owner soldered wires directly to the board. Don't you love when they do that? Love that. As of now, everything works fine, but I'd like to make things as they should be versus keeping things hacked together. I agree. Yeah.
    89:13
    Pull the board out, put a new connector on there, pull the old one off, put a new connector on there, and then re-pin the old one is the easiest way. And literally, Clay does talk about that in some of those guides, where he actually shows you what he's doing, how he crimps it, and that kind of stuff also. And PenWiki does the same thing. Yeah, so definitely go watch those. Between the two of them, you should be able to practice with other stuff, not actual games, if you're going to do that for the first time. Especially soldering if you suck as bad as I do at soldering, because I'm pretty bad at soldering. And then when you do do it, you know, just check your continuity. You don't make sure you're actually doing it. Do do. Yeah, don't break those traces. I would do that all the time. I'm very bad. And don't make your gun too hot and that kind of stuff. Yeah, you don't want the gun to be too hot. I hate soldering so much. I love the podcast. Thanks for the hours of entertainment. And hopefully I'll find myself at the same tournament or expo as the two of you in the future so I can say hi. No, not me. Jonathan from Wisconsin. You were in Wisconsin once. I was. I used to travel there a lot for work, but only just for the one time. Problem is, I like going on vacation more. I hate to say it. Ron likes going on vacation for shows. I like going on vacation for vacation.
    90:28
    I don't want to think about pinball for the week I'm gone or two weeks. I just veg. So we have, this one's from Derek. Hi, Derek. This is something Gene Simmons would do. It's not even from the good Star Wars. Current auction price is $200 for a roll of scotch tape used to patch C-3PO. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. Oh, God.
    90:48
    What the hell, Bobby? Yes, there it is. It's for the prequel trilogy. Anthony Daniels Collection. Gold C-3PO costume repair tape. It's literally just a pair of, it's just 3M tape.
    91:01
    That's gold. Lovely. Yeah. Lovely. Yeah. You're right. That is totally something I would do. Gene Simmons of Kiss.
    91:13
    Let's see. You can get my clown makeup. Let's see. This is from Glenn. Hi, Glenn. Hey, Glenn. Yeah, we're late on this one, actually. Austin Kerrigan asked myself, Joe Farnsworth and Eric Klotz, Klotz's who build a custom homebrew. We were like, sure. It'll be a TPF. I did all the sounds, music, and call-outs. Sheriff Farnsworth did the female for Amanda If you have an episode before TPF Which we didn't unfortunately I was sick unfortunately Could you include this song in the outro It's the song that's in the game Trying to get people to look for the game While on the show floor They did not have issues finding the game Yeah no it was right there They had a constant line There were people on this all All weekend long All night long She goes down. She goes down, down, down. Yeah, I think Triple Drain actually played the theme song because they had an episode before the show. Yes. We did not. I'm sorry. We failed. Yeah, Joel and Travis of Triple Drain. They're the only TPM people I think I met there. Wow. I never, ever catch Dennis.
    92:24
    Yeah, he was there with, what's his name also? Yeah. Both over there. Tony. Dennis and Tony from the Eclectic Gamers. And they're literally in the game room at the same time I'm in it because I see them posting pictures and I always miss them. I've missed them every single year. It's insane.
    92:46
    Insane. It's insane, bro. Yeah, bro. What's going on, bro? Yeah, bro. Bro is just, oh, God, I hate that word. I hate that fucking word. And that proves we're old.
    92:57
    Only old people hate that word. Everyone use that. This one I'm going to say, this is from Zach of the Pinball Tapes. You remember we were on the show when we talked about stars.
    93:12
    But he has a very specific, he is working on an EM, specifically a dragon, the bow dragon. And he wants to change the rules. He wants to make it do something different. and I think we know just the person, our Zach. So I am going to keep this in the inbox of the ball bag. Forward it right to Zach. Well, no, we're going to wait until the next time Zach is on. He might be trying to get this faster, though. He's going to have to wait.
    93:45
    Wow. Okay, if he doesn't want to wait, just send me another email and we will send it directly to Zach. Otherwise, because Zach is usually on here at least every couple episodes. Yes, he is. We love our Zach. And Zach has already done things like what this guy is asking. He has modified his games to do different things. Like on 5,000 instead of 500. Yeah, Doodle Bug instead of 5,000 for the saucer. It's 500.
    94:13
    Things like that. Yep. Ron. Bruce. Guess what I have. We have a new addition to our family. Oh, you do? We do.
    94:28
    Does the new addition have a name? Maya. It sounds like you may have another canine. We do. She's barking her head off right now in the background. Luckily, she's on the other side of the house. My wife went out to go food shopping. She's like, she's going to be barking her head off. I'm like, well, whatever, you know, we'll deal with it. It's another wiener dog, right? It is another wiener dog.
    94:51
    Are we done with mail yet or no? Yes, that was it. The ball bag. We're done with the ball bag, Bruce. My ball bag is empty. Empty. There we go. Okay.
    95:03
    I'm just baffled by this. Oh, dogs? No. Oh. DMDs. How much do you think a new DMD costs? This has nothing to do with the dog thing. No. Oh. I just wanted to tell you, I didn't catch you here in the background. Oh. How old is she? She was a rescue, puppy rescue. She was a breeding dog. She's two years old. She's 10 pounds, and she's a long-haired brindle, black with brown and grayish also. Oh. Yep. She's very scared of people, except for my wife. My wife, she follows her all around the house. Oh, another scared one. Yep, another scared one. Don't talk something. Not with Cookie. I know. Well, she does throw and catch and return stuff, though. We might have another ballie girl, which would be kind of cool. I miss Cookie. I miss Cookie, too. Trust me. I love my dogs. All my dogs. They're all pictured in the house. There's all pictures in the whole house. We don't have kid pictures. We have dog pictures. So, back to DMDs. Dot matrix displays. What about them, Bruce? How much do you think a brand-new dot matrix display costs right now? More than an LCD.
    96:24
    Okay. How much do you think? I don't know. I don't know how much they cost before. Okay. Back in the day, I used to go to Expo. They had the pinball life, you know, sales beforehand, remember? And they would put some deals on there. DMDs were going for like $169 to $179. Okay. How much do you think they're going for right now? $300. Because they don't make them anymore. $300. DMDs are no longer made. $300. $500.
    96:56
    Yeah, because they don't make them anymore. It's more than a fucking colored DMV now. Yeah, you might as well just get the colored DMV. Exactly.
    97:05
    Holy fuck. Yeah. I was just like looking at it like, oh, you know, what the, holy, holy shrikes. Well, when I was at TPF, they had a pile of the voodoo glass, which is the no glare glass. Yeah. I'm trying to remember. It was like $100.
    97:22
    It was under $200. Yeah, it's getting down there. It's starting to... Yeah, and then I saw another display where they had the PDI glass, which I think is the German one. Yes. And that was the normal price it is, like $325. And I'm like, uh... Yeah, that ain't going to happen. And there's going to be a cheaper... Guess which one I'm going to buy. I mean... No, there's going to be a cheaper one coming out soon. Whoa. Oh, boom. Oh, is this some secret thing, or... Yep. I know about it. Oh, okay. And it will be a cheaper non-reflective glass. Will they have any wide-body ones, too? I hope so. They're just doing basic right now, but they want to get it out. Ooh, tantalizing me. And you might see it at Allentown. Ooh.
    98:08
    Okay. So I'm just giving you a little tease there. A little tease. All right. But it's coming out. And it will be cheaper, I think, than $199. Okay.
    98:19
    Interesting. Yeah, so Ron might be getting all giddy. I'm actually pretty good on regular glass now. I have extra pieces of even stern white body and alley white body. Yeah, I have the stern white body. I got glass. But I actually like to get just a couple of the non-glare ones for certain spots downstairs in level zero where I get the glare. I don't get glare anywhere where it would affect the player. It's really just for streaming. Okay. Because you'll see the light bulb when the overhead's shot when I'm streaming. But the player doesn't see any of that. But I am going to throw some stuff up on Pinside on the Allentown thread to try to start selling some of my extra parts that I just have lying around for years. Yeah, I really should put up my high-speed playfield.
    99:08
    I sold my Quicksilver playfield to one of our listeners. Wait, oh, your old one. Your old one. The old one. I was so confused. Like, the one you're putting everything on? I'm confused. No, the old one. Yeah, I have a CPR. It's got to be 15 years old now. No, it's cured, finally. Yeah, and it's when they tilt screen. Yes, that's the best part about it. So I should charge more than what they're actually charging now. Yeah, exactly.
    99:37
    But, yeah, I could bring that to Allentown if anyone's interested. High speed play field. It's still in the box.
    99:45
    Super thick clear coat, too. It might be even too thick. You might want to, I don't know. So I showed him this one. He's like, oh, I'll take it in a second. Oh, okay, great. And then he's like, hey, are you going to Pinfest? I'm like, no, not going to. He goes, you're going to, not Pinfest, but the other one. What's in April in Boston? Pintastic. I'm like, nope, not going there. I'm not going to the one I can drive to. Nope, not going there. That one's far drive for me. It's seven hours. Yeah. How long did you drive to Arkansas again for cabinet? Yeah, but there's nothing to buy and sell there. It's mostly just playing games there. And you're not into playing. I like to buy and sell.
    100:29
    Buying and selling, baby. Selling and buying. So, yeah, so this is going. I got a couple of things hopefully I'll sell and go from there. All right. Repairs. I haven't been doing much repair so I was sick for the past two weeks but still trying to get this play field done I just looked at it like today I'm like yep I do this this and this and yep no rush but I did a couple things at the co-op yesterday I worked on a couple blown actually a lot of broken wires off coils the past couple of weeks at the co-op like oh the prop bumper is not working You look underneath, oh, yep, broken wire. Oh, yep, broken wire. And it's not like old stuff either. It's new stuff, like some of this new stern stuff. I'm like, wow.
    101:21
    Wheat week solder? Maybe, or just like, you know, people, you know, they're trying to push out a lot of stuff, and guess what? That happens. Nothing bad, just, you know, just surprising.
    101:32
    But not much repairs on my side. This week, next week will be coming up. I want to get some stuff done. I have to start working on hot hand. Hmm. and in two weeks we have league night because we had to cancel league night two weeks ago when I was sick. So the fastest night in league night will be at my house because the newest game is 1983.
    102:01
    Is Fireball Classic back up? Yeah, it's been back up. Very good. I actually grabbed the board from something else. I grabbed it from Hot Hand, And the reason why I did that is because it was an Altex, so I could put it on free play. Oh, I was about to say, wait a minute, how does that work? Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, the Altex are free play, so I just threw it right in there, and then I just had to get, you know, the CPU died on ours. It wouldn't even do one light up. I put it on another game, wouldn't even do one light. So I was like, fuck.
    102:32
    So I was like, shit. That was the one that was doing weird shit anyway. It was doing weird shit. It was forgetting settings even though it had a battery or whatever. Battery pack on it and everything. It had acid damage. It would remember things like credits, but then the sound settings would change every time. Yes. This is very bizarre. Very bizarre. So I knew it was kind of fucked up. Darn acid. Yeah. So it's replaced. It's all gone. New one's in there. It's running like a champ. We have the good, you know, sounds in there. Meow.
    103:03
    So that's about it. The CPU crapped out on that. Hot hand, I've got to rebuild some... I know what I have to do this next two weeks. I have a shack in the shop. A shack attack. Yeah.
    103:19
    This is the roach of all roaches. This makes my cheetah from the $20 cheetah look good. I think you mentioned this last episode. No, but I finally... It was missing flippers. The whole flipper assembler is gone. The whole lock assembly, like a post-up. You know what Lord of the Rings has? It has a post to hold the ball for the lock. It's missing completely on this one. I asked the PBR guys, like, hey, you guys. Nope, don't have anything for that. You have to start looking online. This was used like a used parts game, and this guy's like, I want to make it all better. I'm like, I can't guarantee I will, but I'll do as much as I can. We can make it all better. We'll put it in the roof and slide it off into the ground. Yes. We've got three stories up on the piano work, so we can really crash well.
    104:14
    Todd only had two stories. We got three. And then lately, literally, besides repairs, has been just working in the other side. The east, we're going to call it the east wing.
    104:30
    Getting it ready. Trying. But you saw the pictures. What did you think? Did you look at them? Yeah. Okay. What did you think? Let's move along. I have a question. You have a question. Go ahead. What is the space you have between the games?
    104:47
    We're at the co-op? At the co-op. Nine inches. Nine inches between, like, which part? The flipper to flipper. Flipper button to flipper button. Nine to ten inches. So I was just thinking for the rig, if we were to get the big-ass frigging battery that I've seen used in a couple shows now, you need about a seven and a quarter inch, so I'd say seven and a half inches of clearance in between that part of the legs, where the legs are. Yeah, that works. If that clears, then that would be something you could probably get that. Nice. And then we can try to get, we'll have to talk about it, we can try to get everything on the rig mounted lower so the top is free. Yeah. So you can actually just wheel it in and store it. Well, you've got a whole other room now, so you can probably put it in one of many places. Yes. And we're going to have seating in our other room, too. Seating? Couches. Oh, my God.
    105:45
    This is incredible. I know. So when's the next event at the wonderful Rochester Pinball Collective? This Friday. we have a Stern Army, monthly Stern Army tournament this Friday. Good Friday. So if everyone's got nothing to do, come on down.
    106:03
    I was thinking more like what weekend do you actually have something going on? What do you mean? Oh, for you?
    106:10
    I don't know. I don't know. You say you have no events coming. We have nothing coming until Stomp on the weekend. Okay. Yeah, we wanted to take April off to prepare for the other Ah, okay. So, yeah, we're not doing any big events like that. Only Stern Army. Yeah, I got the day off, but there's major shit going on at work, so it's probably going to be a sanctum situation where I'm there, but I have my work laptop, and I'm on a work call the whole time on there, unfortunately. Excellent. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, for some. I know. Isn't that great? You know, just because I just can't be allowed to have fun of any kind, obviously. Not at all.
    106:52
    You're not worthy. Well, it would have been fine if it was the original date, but, you know, we had to move it for that other thing that hopefully happens. That never happens. Well, yeah, if it never happens, that's going to be annoying. I know. I'll be really pissed off, though. That we moved it for no reason, but, yeah. I agree. Yeah. It gives us two extra weeks. Yeah.
    107:13
    I think that's all I got. Cool. We're back, baby. So where do you find us, and where do you get in contact with us? I got that right here, Bruce. I got plugs.
    107:25
    Yes. www.slamtailpodcast.com. Check out our website. All our links are in the upper right-hand corner. I have been streaming semi-regularly. My math is pretty bad. I usually won't stream, though, if it's a Sunday, well, like this Sunday, where I know there's other big streams going on and no one will watch us whatsoever because it would be a waste of time. Because this weekend they're doing the big, was it match play tournament? at Indiana. Oh, no, I'm not even talking about that one. Oh, I'm talking about the women's championship this weekend. Yes, they're having that too. Yeah, so. But I was talking about they're having the Fast Times Match Play Tournament and the finals are going on probably right now. Probably right now, yeah. And our Zach was there, and he missed qualifying by one point. So he gets to feel the pain. Yay!
    108:22
    Yes, and they also, over this weekend, had the Women's North American World Championship. So all their state winners got together. And let's see, the winner was... I'm looking right at it. And where is it? Amy Kesting won. So congratulations. You are the Women's Pinball North American Champion. Congratulations. There you go. I wish they had one that was called, like, the North American something that starts with a D series, because then it could be NADS.
    108:58
    Wow. See, it's not all just me, guys. Well, come on. It's not all just me. Wouldn't that be hilarious? What North American? Hi, can I play with your NADS? Can I play on NADS? Are you playing in the NADS? No, I'm not playing with NADS. What are you talking about? Well, remember, our fans are STDs. Yes, they are. The Slam Tilt Degenerates. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's our website. You can email us at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. That's slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com.
    109:35
    Thanks to everyone. Don't forget, I think I was going to talk about one of our members. Yes. Jeff Teal is probably going to hopefully soon bring up information about the Beast.
    109:49
    Open Buffalo. Yeah, when is that again? That's the weekend. It should be August. It's the weekend after Pinnberg. Yeah. Two weekends in a row. Oh, it's going to be painful. It's going to be brutal. That's going to be brutal.
    110:02
    I guess. We should see that soon. So, howdy, Jeff. Howdy, Jeff. Young ones, check it out. It was pretty funny. Trust me.
    110:11
    Steve Bowden from a bonus. Bonus. All our friends on our chat. Everyone in the Clusterfuck Mr. and Mrs. Penn We should have a Clusterfuck soon again Oh god, I don't even know how that would work with this software It'd be great, we can break it Everyone have their own links There'd be like 20 fucking things on the screen 20 tracks That'd be awesome My editor would just break From the sheer amount of tricks Fuck you assholes Possible responses That is still one of my favorite scenes in that movie Hey, you got a dead cat in there? Possible responses. Yes, no, fuck you. Fuck you, asshole. Or when he comes out of the hotel room with the guns and the guy's just like, damn. I know, like, what the hell did you just come from?
    111:01
    I know. We're so old. We are. Children of the 80s. Shoot here and here for multiballs. Multiballs on your chin.
    111:11
    I gotta go to work now, man. Oh, you gotta go to work? That's why you wanted to go earlier. Okay. Yeah, I've got to go to regular work. Regular work. Okay, well, thanks, everybody. This has been episode, what was it again, 225? 225. We're in the Indiegogo Cornerstone. This is one of our cornerstones. One of our cornerstone episodes. Okay.
    111:29
    Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Morgan Wagon. Thank you. Meteor Blue Level Zero Clusterfuck Swish the Kai Dimble Bruce Dizzo Tournament Talk Car Holder Cheetah Sanity Cash Grab ELO Ball Play What You Find Tim You Love Tim You Hate Tournament Talk People Princess
    112:33
    Oh my. It's been a while. Be gentle. Please be gentle.