SDTM Episode 61: Iron Maiden Pinball Machine Review

Straight Down the Middle·video·54m 46s·analyzed·May 22, 2018

Analysis

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TL;DR

SDTM reviews Stern's Iron Maiden: strong art & layout hampered by unsatisfying center ramp; rules code among Stern's best.

Summary

Zach Sharpe and Greg Bone from Straight Down the Middle review the Iron Maiden pinball machine by Stern, featuring art by Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti). The episode opens with banter about Greg's absence from the previous episode and community backlash, then transitions to detailed playfield layout analysis, art evaluation (A- for Zombie Yeti's work), shots and layout critique (A-/A for strong loop shot and four-flipper design but disappointing center ramp), and rules assessment (top-tier code by Keith Elwin). Both hosts appreciate the game's depth and replayability while noting specific design critiques.

Key Claims

Iron Maiden has arguably the best loop shot in pinball, possibly better than Star Trek
medium confidence · Zach describes the third flipper loop shot as potentially superior to Star Trek's loop, calling it exceptionally fun to execute
Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) used non-original assets for Iron Maiden artwork rather than creating unique character sketches
medium confidence · Greg criticizes that assets were pre-done for Packer, forcing him into someone else's style rather than creating original designs like his Ghostbusters work
The center ramp on Iron Maiden is unsatisfying and accomplishes nothing mechanically
high confidence · Both hosts agree the center ramp (three stand-up targets) provides no meaningful reward or progression, making it feel like a wasted shot
Keith Elwin structured the Iron Maiden ruleset with help from programmer team
high confidence · Zach explicitly states Keith Elwin 'basically structured this rule set and he had a team of programmers to help them implement it'
Iron Maiden's code is among Stern Pinball's best, approaching the quality of The Walking Dead
medium confidence · Hosts describe the code as 'one of Sam Stern's best' and 'very truly is it is very good' but note it hasn't reached Walking Dead's tier yet

Notable Quotes

“SDTM with just Zach Sharpe is like The Beatles with just Ringo”
Skippy Church (commenter)@ 3:37 — Community criticism of Greg's absence; demonstrates fan attachment to both hosts
“this is the relationship that I recently had with my Star Wars Premium Edition—just like the cruise boat I... on it, and then I own it and I play it more and I gotta tell you guys I'm falling in love with this pin”
Zach Sharpe@ 10:40 — Demonstrates how initial skepticism can transform into appreciation; analogy to cruise ship experience
“I wish they didn't like the warp shots to where that you advance towards like an extra ball or yes something that helps something”
Greg Bone@ 26:09 — Critiques loop shot design—it feels good but lacks meaningful progression rewards
“my favorite part of that art is the beast in that center that playfield... when you see that beast in the dark it's very nice... I see him lit up red all the time it's such a beautiful piece of artwork out there in the middle of the play field”
Greg Bone@ 24:37 — Highlights specific artistic element he appreciates despite other reservations
“the reason I didn't go A+ is because I think the detriment of this entire shots and layout on this game is that center ramp... it does nothing for me... I wish it was a magnet I wish there was a scoop back there a hole I wish there was something”
Greg Bone@ 28:08 — Core design criticism—mechanical dead shot undermines otherwise strong layout

Entities

Zach Sharpeperson Greg Boneperson Jeremy Packerperson Keith ElwinpersonStern PinballcompanyIron Maidengame Star Warsgame

Signals

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community_signal: Strong community reaction to Greg's absence from previous episode, with vocal fan feedback across multiple platforms demanding his return
high · Multiple Reddit/forum comments quoted criticizing SDTM without Greg; Jeff Douglas posted extended critique about show quality impact
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event_signal: Straight Down the Middle Episode 61 represents major show milestone with full return of both hosts and detailed premiere-level coverage
high · Episode focuses on complete playfield breakdown, multiple rating categories (art, layout, shots, rules), professional production quality
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design_philosophy: Iron Maiden's center ramp identified as mechanical dead shot undermining otherwise strong layout; loop shot criticized for lack of meaningful progression rewards
high · Both hosts agree center ramp 'does nothing'; Greg wishes for magnet/scoop mechanic; loop shot feels good but doesn't advance gameplay meaningfully
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community_signal: Jeremy Packer forced into non-original style for Iron Maiden art rather than creating signature character designs, suggesting creative constraints or collaboration model
medium · Greg notes assets were pre-done for Packer, contrasting with his Ghostbusters work where he created original character sketches
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sentiment_shift: Zach Sharpe's initial negative reception of Star Wars Premium Edition has transformed into genuine appreciation and regular play
high · Extended cruise analogy explaining skepticism-to-love arc; explicit statement 'I'm falling in love with this pin' after earlier dismissal

Topics

Iron Maiden Game ReviewprimaryPlayfield Layout & Shot DesignprimaryArtwork & Aesthetic DesignprimaryRuleset & Code QualityprimaryHost Relationship & Community FeedbacksecondaryStar Wars Game ReceptionsecondaryPinball Machine Design Philosophysecondary

Sentiment

mixed(0.55)— Hosts show appreciation for Iron Maiden's artwork and ruleset quality but express significant reservations about specific design elements (center ramp, loop shot progression). Overall tone is constructive criticism rather than dismissive. Community reaction to Greg's absence was negative but resolved through friendly banter about host dynamics.

Transcript

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guys what's happening this is Zach and gray from straight down the middle of pinball show guess who is back our buddy Greg is back he took a hiatus last episode and boil boy did I not have to hear it from some as you guys out there great I got smashed over the comments section of our last episode when Zach took over I mean it was pretty good come on it was a good episode it was good people hated but I still want to apologize to everybody about me not being there oh God really right in here good lord so Greg was busy very busy oh so I took and I was getting ready to go on vacation which is actually very appreciative because I was so busy Zach's always busy himself but this is my super busy time of the year and I do have to commend Zach for taking it upon who fill the gap I receive all the hatred that he did I took it I took it you want to know something sad though I didn't take your personal no and I'll tell you why we're gonna go through some of these comments cuz you guys you guys were pretty brutal okay so let's read through so Skippy Church our buddy Skippy church said SDTM with just Zach is like the Beatles with just Ringo no school can't be like he's the worst Beatle if you ever said Paul McCartney I would have said great even he's not that bad come on I'll go McCartney over linen but come on that's rough okay and nor what yeah yeah definitely I'm totally McCartney your tell them how yeah okay okay here's another one where's the likable one now that James more than just right here dad that's tough that evening ice cream that's why I'm likable James more thanks for that here's a from wait a minute this is from st. probe cookbook yeah so he says oh man SDTM without Greg is like Nickelback it's not rock your pop Oh on there could you not give me Chili Peppers could you not give me you're getting giving me Nickelback was you sucking Nickelback sucks oh god okay why is the F guy said I never realized how important Greg is to the show I don't think Jack has either until that moment you know what I thought I was doing fine by myself last episode but apparently not and he knows he can't get rid of me now the king of all comments here by Douglas thorn Joe not rob big loves thorn Joe I think he lost some sleep over that episode because he said I'd be surprised if you actually didn't kill the show by doing this it's a shame really Douglas buddy and then I said I'd played with holy [ __ ] dude that's rough and he said he kept going that wasn't enough for him he said well I'm sorry hopefully Greg is more easygoing than I am because if I was great I would be deeply deeply pissed off at you right now for doing this and for some of the specific things that you had said about him I would not be coming back to the table anytime soon I understand the friends sometimes talk [ __ ] about each other but this feels like a line was crossed and you know I felt I ain't even done I felt embarrassed watching it to cure Douglas I've been so busy that I honestly like I watch every one of our videos just because I always like to see what Zach adds in and what editing skills he's done adding photos and different little funny things so I watch every video and I haven't yet to watch Zach's ah alone so I don't even know what he said about me yet it what do you think bad is that I don't say to your face I think I called you a bastard Oh I said you know nothing about pinball yeah nothing like here's the thing here's what I want to teach everybody with the steam fuzzy thing in you I want to teach everybody here's the code they gonna teach you something with the fuzz I'm gonna teach you some here's that here's the code will begin the iron maiden I know that's why you guys came but we'll get into that in a second here's the relationship that Greg and I have and then I think this is the best type of friendship there is early on we both agreed that there are friends in your life you guys probably have them to become work yes yes you feel like you got a call and you feel like you gotta answer the phone you feel like you got a check and you feel like you're gonna invite them to think Greg and I said we hate those type of friends and we really don't like a lot of people in general right so we agreed at a very early stage that it was like a contract a verbal contract hmm when you don't want to talk to me Greg you don't pick up the phone and you don't call me this is that ring when I don't want to hear from you I don't respond to you pick up the phone right um I don't feel obligated to you in any way you don't feel obligated to me in any way it's pretty amazing that we naturally end up in the same area to record things after all the hate you got for trying to be alone on the show you probably feel obligated to me now no I don't know I still don't I don't like that makes me want to do a show by myself anyway hey I don't feel obligated so Greg and I had an early early state I said Greg anything you say to me on camera or as part of the show or anything even personally well we were already busting each other's balls yeah be bad and then I think you'd said you kind of said like yeah it may not you know if I ever offend you know yeah and it was like you never say anything if you're like I can hold up for myself yeah so like that's worth that conversations come from and we just did honestly nothing you could say unless I knew you were for real as my friend saying it and I think I can gage that oh yeah easily so I can call him a [ __ ] bastard right here right now and he'd take it like a champ because I know I have one or two you sir though so so that's that nothing I'd say without him here's gonna offend him nothing he says is gonna offend me no we don't offend you guys right that's the best a friendship to have I encourage you guys I have that type of relationship as well not with us with your friends yeah it's so nice though isn't it it is nice cuz I can call it pickup and bike piss off dude I really don't feel like talking this happened before it has hahaha usually it's the other way around I'm like oh my god you hear the news out in your like sack I don't give a [ __ ] about pinball right alright so the other thing I wanted to talk about I just went on a Antonio Cruz buddy and this is all relevant I promise this I went on a Antonio Cruz here's my Antonio Cruz experience and then I'll relate it to pinball so I jumped on this damn ship right 20 year old ship I don't know what does a carnival famous here something jumped on the ship F and hated it I wanted off of this ship everything was cramped the food wasn't that good I don't want to be on sea and I want to rock back and forth I don't I want it off this [ __ ] but mm-hmm and then I have Wi-Fi I couldn't get on pin side I couldn't check our comments I couldn't call my buddy Greg I couldn't I couldn't text people Jeff from this weekend pimp I couldn't talk to him I was freaking out uh I can talk to Fran she couldn't talk to anybody so I was freaking out wanted off the boat I was pissing to my wife I was a bastard but then I started warming up to it started really enjoying this the the the staff was really nice and accommodating and got pizza all week I did I let down the worries of pen side and I let down the worries without sound like cañedo let down the worries of social media or anything and I fell in love with it it was really fun and at the end I got sunburned really bad so I didn't enjoy it very much at the end but the reason I bring this all up Greg is because this is the relationship that I've recently had with my Star Wars premium when I first started playing this game we kind of [ __ ] on it didn't we yeah just like the Antonio Cruz boat I [ __ ] on it who likes this stupid and then I own it and I play it more and I gotta tell you guys I'm fallen in love with this pin just like I fell in love with this Antonio Cruz the death star shot all of this I don't think Star Wars is leaving and for a couple we know it is I agree it it really is a good shooter a nice pen between that iron maiden when I got off this Antonio Cruz boat I was most looking forward to getting back on this Star Wars but Agrius it's not it's still on Star Wars no they didn't do it no but it is a great Steve Ritchie shooting pin it really there are so many satisfying shots and then we'll get the Iron Maiden in a minute that that has some satisfying shots as well but then the kicker last night I updated the newest Star Wars code blowing it up dude escape from Hoth I had hyperspace multi-bulb going blowing it up crossing three billion boom blacks out on me flippers go dead and it does a hard reset so there is my sunburn of the Antonio Cruz that happens so let's get an Iron Maiden about damn time you are you done with your ice cream cone I've been here slaving away working he's on a Antonio Cruz oh this was nice it was really nice took four kids though I don't know about that all right so let's get into Iron Maiden so what we're gonna do we're gonna shoot over to probably my Iron Maiden you ever film that yet most like I'm gonna run you guys through the layout of Iron Maiden by Keith Elwin and stern pinball artwork by Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) aka zombie Yeti and then we'll come back and we'll review it all right everyone iron me all right let's go through this play field left to right all right so we're gonna start off a little bit different here the most left shot is actually the stand-up target see that right there oh yeah you complete that by shet Singh watch your mouth yeah you schatz it from the left flipper here on the tip of that flipper right around here pink supposed to go all the way up here and then I'll hit that target and it's gonna give you a [ __ ] it's gonna give you a bad case of the shits no I think it gives you jackpot alright continuing on left to right we have a spinner right here it's like a little miniature orbit well that is gonna be responsible for boosting your power spinners and your advancing of the revived or to save your ball all right and that's gonna take you up into the pops here alright now we got power jackpot this orb stand up shot here that's your jackpots as well as your orb now through the pops play that shoot that's gonna be your left ring and it's actually easier than the right ring you go up around you come on down safely to the left flipper okay now a little harder to do left or right you have this inner orbit that you hit from the upper right flipper and it's a continuous hit you can go around and around and around if you do so without the flipper in the up position you get a bigger bigger jackpot more points but you can't hold the flipper up as well to make that shot easier but it's not worth as many points alright and then you've got another inner orbit I guess that's the outer orbit this is the inner orbit so you'll see real quick left orbit you're gonna see it does have a unload insert and during certain modes you've to hit that but it's also responsible for loot jackpot you built that by hitting it so you hit it once to 50k twice 500 750 1 million in two times and we'll get to that more in a minute you've got another spinner up here the mini orbit again a mode insert as well as your power orbits and your power spinner sets a double right there you've got a metal feed to the right out or the right orbit as well just like that that inner or the outer orbit well I'm getting confused all right captive ball and shoot the captive bolts collect mummy letters all right there mummy letters are collected for certain modes as well as starting mummy motive all the center shot in the faroe there it's like a jump ramp and there are three targets one to the pin is the third one okay so that's responsible for starting your battles or your modes and lighting locks and is responsible for mode as well okay now with this little flipper here sees a little guy you can hit that it's got a couple options here the uppermost shot to that little left flipper is your super jackpot shot and building your X multiplier okay then you've got a stand-up target here that does the same thing for the X and then you've got a little orbit here for loot jackpot just like this loop jackpot alright you build that up so what you want to do is you want to hit this little orbit right here right there it'll go up and around and it'll come back through there you get hit it multiple times if you guys can hit it multiple times my best is like three times in a row and it felt I mean it was unbelievable you can hit that little orbit and it's gonna come right back through this path and you get hit it again if you want but if you hit that once that's when you need to start hitting these third flipper orbits right here hey I'm Bam Bam Bam because they're gonna be worth more that's your loot jackpot alright drop targets right here are responsible for lighting locked lighting the orb and Onis X a little amateur tip here if you've got balls there's a diverter back here see right there it's diverted there whenever you start modes and lock balls that diverter is gonna come up it's gonna hold the ball and then it's gonna release it now you could try to hit your orbit shelter your jackpot shot in there if you need it but if you don't need it I would encourage you just to hold the flipper up the balls will bounce off of there and into these drug targets that's how you can light locks fairly easy and then it will be your trooper multiball you light locks there okay drop targets there that's what they're for right ramp that's the hardest rant for some reason we've got cyborg Yeti up top okay right orbit is gonna take you to left orbit there right flipper and then your traditional slays me and inlanes out wings they're all revived see the Rope revived there that's like saving a bulb if you can light that up through advanced revive through the spin that's a hard shot alright hello basic code well what you're trying to do is you're trying to collect the Eddie's to battle the Beast you do so by getting a jackpot through multi or mummy multiball you do so by getting I think a jackpot trooper multiball or super jackpots I think the actual are super jackpot and then I don't know which ones which but one of them you have to complete one of you have to complete by getting through these power features if to hit 39 spinners eight ramps 20 pops 12 targets 10 orbits that's where I'm at right now probably hit but when you do so it'll go to super targets super spinner super orbits and then you've got to hit a number another number again and once you complete all of those you'll get check marks for each once you complete all of those you'll get to a mini wizard mode ok the mini wizard mode is down here okay so this pyramid here's your power orbits power ramps power pops power targets and power spinners that's what I was saying if you complete all of those you'll get two the question mode and once you get to that question mode that's where you'll get another Eddie the other Eddie is found by completing all of the Moe's aces high fear of the dark Ryan of the Ancient Mariner hallowed be thy name and flight of Icarus okay you through all those modes and you'll get to another mini wizard mode which is two minutes to midnight all right then that'll give you your other Eddie you get all four of them and you get to number of the Beast where you battle the Beast oh I forgot the stain of target that's an extra ball and it still shot your traditional skill shot skill shots are important okay so skill shot if I plunge light enough look at that that's fantastic okay but if you want to go for a super skill shot you've got to plunge it just right enough so that it goes through there all the way up there enough that it doesn't go too far past comes back down the little orbit then you've gotta hit it into there that's hard but also I think gives you extra bowls everything - what else do we need to know that's about it you get your lock inserts here you've got your bonus or your night your bonus but you play field multipliers there all right Gregory bone so you've played some iron maiden you've played a decent amount of iron maiden I've played a shart load yeah of iron maiden it's a pin that I just keep going back to and back to him back to because I want to get through it I want to get to the different wizard modes the ultimate what I want to do all that and that being said that's that's one of the pieces that is that makes this I think a good pin is the fact that it keeps you coming back for more because it is obtainable it is there but yet far away it is you know it's not easy but you know it's it and there's some shots that are special yeah but I'm very mixed on this pin you guys are gonna you some of you guys are gonna be mad at me they are with me here but I'll explain all my reasoning so let's start with art my friend zombi Yeti everybody loves him beyond fantastic what you give art alignment whoa whoa whoa okay Wow plus it's just very cuz the best it gets it's very cohesive it's just beautiful the colors that he used which when me and a hoagie unboxed is that was the biggest thing that surprised me because I seen all the fuss yeah I jump in on the photos everything was fantastic but actually seeing it it's one of the first pins in a long time that took me by surprise seeing it in person versus photos like the art it just popped the colors pop it felt so rich yeah and beautiful I was just blown away even the trans light everything it was it okay it's just gorgeous all right a plus it's hard not to argue against Tom B Eddie yeah I didn't go a plus I didn't go a I went a minus and the reason I meant a minus because Jeremy Packers work zombies work is usually a plus Ghostbusters oh all of his promo stuff he does yeah I'm into all of that the problem for me that differentiates an A plus to an A - is the assets that he used we're not original to him when I think of zombie Yeti I think of I think of Bill Murray never being sketched that way I think of Rick Moranis my ever being sketched that way the overhead shot of the Ghostbusters on the playfield never beyond sketched that way and that's what he does he creates monsters and zombies he creates I sell all these assets was kind of already done for him so I felt like he was it just didn't feel because I felt like he was forced into doing somebody else's style if you will um so it's an a - because it's gorgeous but at the same time it was a style that was very fitting of his type of art were absolutely but I do understand what you're saying if I like the Iron Maiden art I'd want him doing it yes does that make sense yeah not 100% packaged the looks art package you going pro premium because a premium just got released and I gotta say I think that's the best package I just don't like that the yellow the trim all I do I can't I can't get around it just this picture the premium with a nice royal blue powder coat oh I take that over the Le all day long yeah I I don't know I don't mind the pro the pro spin des I think it's gonna be really like I I will I will echo the words of cañedo I I think they're all three so stellar that that they all three could be le machines okay art art wise I do not think that that guy is wrong in that that it is they're all they're all that favorite part of that art is the beast in that center that playfield yeah the Beast and everybody rips me because I put pin stadiums on there but I see that beast in the dark it's very nice see I see him lit up red all the time it's such a beautiful piece of artwork out there in the middle of the play field I also like the oh the insane guy I don't know what his name I don't know these the left of the place yeah love that a honeycomb style so I'm gonna a - you're - a plus yeah I think that's a very complimentary Oh easily yeah I mean who wouldn't be happy with that so let's continue down that the complimentary train we would and go to shots and lay out shots and lay out was first time or Keith Elwin based on his Archer layout his home brew with his brother so shots and layout I'll go into a little bit if you don't care yeah before so shots and layout this thing is phenomenal to shoot it's so much fun it may arguably have the best loop shot in pinball third flipper loot shot it's between that or Star Trek Stern that's what I told you our first but I said you know what I said it it is possibly because I didn't have very many games on the time I said it is possibly better than Star Trek I said it is that good when you hit it really it really is especially when you hit it without the flipper the problem and we'll get into gameplay is that it's responsible for loop jackpots it does have a an insert for some of the modes but you're not really getting through much there so you hit them five in a row you're just building up your score you're not really going you're not progressing which kind - still feels good I wish they didn't like the warp shocks to wear that you you advance towards like an extra ball or yes something that helps something like yeah there is more because it feels so good you want to hit it that there is some sort of reward maybe one of the tasks to be a loop shot task and you know how to spit out ramps like give me one of those loops I want it I want ten of those that have to hit before I go into super loops library that's what I want this otherwise you you sort of in normal play you you almost have to neglect that shot and you don't want to because it's so fun no you yes exactly right that's exactly right so it has 4 flippers first 4 stern pros I love that the little flipper I like because they're strategy you got two paths up there or you hold it up and it hits the drop targets which you need to lock balls as well as X X multiplies and different things like that who would have thought that a left ramp shot through the pops was easier to hit wide open right ramp the weirdest thing to me because that ramp is just sitting over there yeah and I thought okay I'm hit ever no now it's it's worse than like Aerosmith's it's similar yeah I think I can Aerosmith's betters I can I don't know there's life - oh so weird because it really is it's narrow but it's not that narrow that's all right there it's it's it is right thanks thins down it's not like it's way back here a little bit short it is the oddest damn thing I've ever seen in my life the pro has a couple captive balls the premium Ellie has a couple scoops couple ramps that lifts up the back to the ramp on the premium Ellie left left ramp lifts up to lock a ball there's only one ball that goes back there and we'll get into toys and innovation here but before it was so key that one Bravo my friend I met her I met an a what are you at I'm at a name and the reason I didn't go a plus I shouldn't want a - honestly but the reason I didn't go a plus is because I think the detriment of this entire shots and layout on this game is that center ramp everybody people like it I it's just not satisfying it's the three-tier targets fine but it does nothing for me I agree it does nothing some it's hard to get up sometimes which I'm fine with that but you're hitting a stand-up target this does nothing yeah I hate that I wish I was a magnet I wish there was a scoop back there a hole I wish there was something yeah that does completely nothing so I got a cut of me you know permanent you know you don't think a lot about that like after after you're not amazed by it or well it's just another shot yeah because you need it you don't need this show yeah but I'm agree I wish it would have been something that would have had is something something that every time I hit it I felt better yeah yeah I agree I agree so I'm in an a instead of any pleasure in a as well rules okay all right so rules now Keith Elwin basically structured this rule set and he had a team of programmers to help them implement it yes that's what happened yes here's the rules in a nutshell Greg you've got one task of hitting certain shots ramps so much to get to qualify that and you've got this other set of rules they go through modes yes if you get to the one set you get to wizard mode if you get to the all the modes done you get to wizard mode if you get that plus 2j or one jackpot in each of your multi balls then there's another subset of things to do you get to the green wizard mode yes the code set on this is one of Stern's best well I think it's very truly is it is very good it is right up there it's not walking dead yet no I don't think it'll ever be there the way structured but it is a top three top five Stern coded but I feel like that it's almost what Metallica what it was going oh my god thank you for bringing that up because like not I like the what is the power what does it call the power what are the power spinners power ring yeah all the power steps no like I felt like that's Metallica but there's also modes no they're more objective than I mean there's other things to do Metallica we all know crank it up and stuff yeah you sort of have modes in a sense but not really like this this is Metallica 2.0 yeah it this is a Metallica code I lie yeah another stuff stirs chop no ah yeah I like Metallica but it got old very fast this doesn't this won't get as old no because if you want it if you want to go for a loop jackpot you can if you want to go for your spinners ramps all of those yeah if you want to go for modes you can't ultimately you're gonna have to get through every damn thing yeah to get there paper ticket I always end up at the ramps the ramps hold me back because they're hard to hit yeah and that's what I always have left both oh gosh so the rules the rules on this are fantastic I'm not a tournament player so I don't pay a lot of attention to stacking the multipliers and all that stuff but it's it's there yeah and it's basic you're not gonna see 40 times play field multiply or anything I know when my insert flashes it's 2 times and then when it says 3 times I know Zack yeah this is what matters is you're gonna you're gonna jack up some points get him out go in here get a multiball going you're gonna push up some points hungry I like it ok CDC the modes let's talk about the modes a little bit the modes do differentiate themselves yes they do you've got a flight of Icarus which you're hitting the ramps and if you hit them as a combo they they boost up a lot more yeah you've got as a fear of the dark I think where you hit a lit then you have to hit the spinner lit shot spinner lit shot spinner and you know what that reminds like what some of the modes in this remind me of is the 90s pins yes they do it very much so it's back to the basics of pin you're on it today but even reading up in the week that I've been golf your son I have so much pinball knowledge you know I haven't been a little let out cuz I've been so busy and all can do it Wow I'm impressed a lot of mower and think about that having a insecticide fly up on your face away from it yeah I'm impressed with you man you're hitting all the points that's so very true it's very that's what appeals to me about the game yeah you know I love my night it's it feels like 390 spins put into one yeah feels like it's kind of like that shadow that's what I love about the shadow you get through the multi balls of those or test then you get through the modes that's a test and then you get through the battlefield house test kind of like I don't think Iron Maiden I don't think that the band ruined this pin it by any means at all look at my theme oh I know you do I'm saying as of it being a good pin I don't think that it was such an A Brosius theme that like you bought it obviously as bad as you hate the theme you bought the pin looked at you know what I'm saying as bad as you hate I buy everything Greg but you like it am i everything I'd like it about every new stern since then you still like it I like it a lot okay so that's what I'm saying but I think that if it would have been a pin with a different theme as goods was supposed to be Guardians do you realize that this was supposed to be guardians chief Elwin came in they said you want Guardians he said sure I'll do guardians but he didn't come in quick enough they had to shift titles around Greg this could have been guardians not to not to downplay what Jon board did but Jon board wasn't given time to do a damn nice layout I still think I still think Derek Guardians got a cool layout it is but it is nothing it's nothing special it's nothing new it's nothing creative it's nothing unique it's not oh I think it's nice it seems like a dying John no it shoots like a dream Jon board is probably my favorite I understand where there's gonna be guards I just and I'm not saying anything again I mean I'd buy it and I'd keep it like Iron Maiden doesn't bother me but if it would have been something movie themed I would have taken it anything not a mummy yeah Oh fantastic mm-hmm oh my god how great would that be with the wreath theme it oh my god on it oh sorry I don't mean like because your arts bad yeah Jeremiah I'm gonna be like man you drove me up some finish and a dash Universal mummy our thousand dollars for some bummer okay the other things we need to know about the modes so there's trooper multiball what other multiball is there mummy multiball and then there are a couple modes this is well think about these modes like you said on the 90s pins they're simple but they're fun they're engaging you've got a couple modes trying to think off the hand I'm thinking hells bells not hells bells [ __ ] what is that it's the airplane mode I'll remember later I apologize it's two ball multiball and then fly to vignette flight of Icarus uh arriving the Ancient Mariner I'm getting good at this where I me the Ancient Mariner is a one ball but then if you have to hit the ramp to hit the albatross you're good the ball well that's cool ace high Aces High is a two ball multiball that you have to keep Bowl balls and play and you have to hit the fighter jets you have to knock them down then you go for the super jackpot like there's mommy's pin those modes are really fun yeah it's not just the first codon Guardians was like shoot you shot me 1:1 I'm sitting here I'm telling you so on rules I'm gonna Nate Plus yeah this is that damn good I'm mid name this is what we want rules to be like guys I agree they don't have to be the deepest cuz this isn't the deepest rule set I agree this is all this has to be yeah it don't have to be you take this and throw a little Keith P. Johnson flavor in it oh look Kiefer little Kiefer flavor it's got a little bit of depth more depth and things I could see Navy okay so I'm at a plus your nape okay so so far or shots layout rule we're at a straight that was an innovation Oh where's where it's starting to change a little bit now I will preface it by saying we've not played the premium le no that's not to say we can't rate the can we rate the premium le we can rate it based on what the toys are yes and what they do yes because we visually have seen what they do and what they are maybe they wow this a little more in person maybe they underwhelm us a little more severe much so I will say when I watch that stream that premium le I was fine with the pro I will agree but I see the thing that I did I will say this it's just not worth the money but I did think that it was really badass is the oh my god what's the the dog in Egyptian mythology thinks no it's not something since a cat but the the the back to the left the guy with the trap door where he moves over and it locks the ball okay sarcophagus yes a sarcophagus but it's not I don't know what the dog is you know these yeah but you like where it lifts up and then the ball goes back behind them yes goes behind there because it is it is very because the pros got the 3d yeah the 3d thanks cool so you don't know it's there until it habits truly that kind of a hidden shot that's right and I actually really really think that that's amazing because people don't know it's there until it happens that is true I think that's all you fall back they're just not worth the difference the problem is is the way it's ejected out if they shot that ball with the kicker they shot it back to the flippers I'd be cool it trickles out like Johnny pneumonic hits a plastic comes into the orbit and then bounce no no Edie that's bad boys I'd want something a little quicker on it - oh yeah but the lifting of the ramp that's cool no that's the sarcophaguses the lifting of the ramp I don't know what they call it yeah but you know you you guys get it the toys innovation I don't think there's anything there really I don't either there's definitely it's definitely not toys pearl has zero toys yeah I mean if you're gonna light up red and blue retarget in the back you call that a toy I'm gonna call that not an innovative toy no you've got three switches which is cool because it's a it's a dart board yeah but I don't care enough it doesn't feel good and and and when we talk about this we're not we're not knocking the pin it's just that it just doesn't have it yeah I'm knocking it's not fun without them yeah just hasn't done anything special kids whoa in this category it's just not there you compare this to George expires to the Caribbeans nine day yeah any now some people would prefer get rid of the toys I just want to get shooter yeah does your PIN yeah very much so I generally want some more toys I want some more interactivity with that bolt I agree almost a magnet I want something yeah so I'm a tree you're gonna be plus yeah I'm out wouldn't harsh on it I probably should I think it's because there isn't anything I was nice it'll be - it probably honestly you should have garnered a see if you're gonna go sort of an aviary for me it would be a CC - on the pro yeah but I'm bumping it because I know the premium Ellie has has cleaned up cool stuff I agree all right music and call-outs you like the way this thing sounds and you especially told me you love the call-outs yeah 180 - I like to call us really because we're sure chick is pretty good and then the Beast to beast I like them a sorcerer Church sounds like sounds like Game of Thrones girl yeah it is very much so it's not that special is it no but it fits the pin thank you kind of beautiful oh shoot the extoll kit yeah shoot the ramp yeah okay like the Beast call-outs are very I think very much so very cool very well added very well done I like the music oh I don't like listen to my car but I enjoy it for a pinball machine you do do you enjoy it for a pinball machine thank you see thank you the music is perfect for pinball yeah this you guys are gonna [ __ ] I'm gonna be plus it's pretty high for me I thought I was gonna I was gonna run this thing over and say it was horrible sound the music still sucks okay the music still stucked but it is catchy yes I do sing some of the songs now I do enjoy some of the songs more than others yes um the call-outs are great here's a problem I don't know what the hell happened and this might just be my misperception what the sound is not as good as it is on other spike 2 systems it's just not Aerosmith see ya Aerosmith sounds [ __ ] good but I'm cranked this one like I haven't I haven't been able to touch a machine if I can't tune it into sound it doesn't sound good I got a hook us up up to it or something because wow the quality is just not there I don't know what it is maybe it's just me maybe it's just my machine I don't know but it's not there quality wise we shall see so music I'm gonna be plus yes you're - eh - anything else I need to know about music hold up let's move to it then display and animations you thought pretty - thank you we can't change now you put it in there okay so displaying animations I think suck yeah there you go I don't I will say this though if I say display I do not know why I think this I I don't know if there was a change in people at Stern you maybe tell me you're not no there was no change but when I first saw that display it was very bright and vibrant it was different than guardians it was different than some of the other Stern's probably because it's an independent really care for the animations and he said but that that display was bright and crisp I said I noticed it too oh it's probably because it's a computer-generated versus like a no-shoe hampshire so it's real I bet I don't somebody clarify that for us it became because I maybe they use a difference I thought the display was beautiful but animations they suck horrible they really do suck they're annoying some of them are can art pretty cool the new the new code did you fear the darks kind of cool cuz you have like the shadow monster running at you the match sequence is really cool greg hope you seen the new match secret they're really cool really is it just me or did it seem like multiple artists and they're using multiple platforms to create different none of it none of it no Fitz does it I don't think I don't like the 3d rendering of stuff no that's what I'm selecting when you look at zombie yetis artwork give me that yes give me that GRU yes you know I don't want 3d PlayStation graphics I just it is not new PlayStation like somebody had said that like being compared it's like PlayStation 1 that's what it feels like like something's not right about about it it's not and it's this fine that's why ministry it is fine like a b-plus and I got one load but you're trying to break him out of the shackles it looks cool but it's just it's not there no cuz it's like you said like like zombies stuff is so pure and it's a smooth and it's gritty oh the animations whew so uh here's my favorite category and that is theme my friend we're rating theme so where are you at on the Iron Maiden theme all meta Bay - oh that's a low one for Gregory I just I'd be you know what I gave it to be - wait I think you're still very gracious I just not agree issues not a fan of the band your fan of everything but I don't mind it I'm gonna be - a lot of things I'm not famed of that I don't mind like rain showers oh I like rain check necessarily thunderstorms in I like thunder suburbs okay dogs I like dogs I'm a big fan I don't like hair you don't mind um I like here you like hairy dogs you have seals people like your grocery store you're falling behind I think the entire back is covered in hair and down their legs at home or a cat there's guys over a man it's just like [ __ ] is all over them yeah there's like an animal themselves man that is like my little dog don't shed what do you mean my little dog don't [ __ ] hashtag mother the dog don't she it was your shirt because you have a Yorkie that has shaved that's so much anxiety all like dogs like I have like a golden retriever and it's just shaved ball how about those ugly-ass shaved cats are those that hairless your head Harel you have really bad skin problems like allergies like lotion those damn things up and they get cold really wanted one they're always fat and about the Chinese I think those bald cats belong and iron made it looked like they fit that artwork they paid me alright theme your to be - you're so for one more thing I do not feel awful when they have like that ugly dog award and those Chinese cresteds always why I feel so bad that they're like mocking those lb oh they're horrible looking yeah but they still need to be loved no they don't sometimes ugly things don't need love don't cruel now is that what people didn't like that video you put out because it's beautiful just beautiful sometimes yeah that's another t-shirt sometimes ugly things don't need to be loved theme speaking of no love and not needing to love on this thing I'm in addy that's right addy because the Iron Maiden theme is a big [ __ ] theme ever nobody listens to iron made a lot of people there's big quad what I'll have to disagree whatever there's a couple people and you know what for those of you who like Iron Maiden my hat's off to you because if that's your kind of music that's your kind of music I'm not digging it because it is catchy it's got some cool stuff I know there's a lot of you out there that know you act like you'd like it but you don't like that [ __ ] it's [ __ ] it's Iron Maiden I don't even know what the band members look like I don't know what in their memorabilia it looks like I don't know their damn video game I don't know anything yeah that's legacy the Beast yeah that's where I got half of the animations [ __ ] yeah sorry guys I'm gonna be strong on this one because Iron Maiden is probably one of the worst themes that you can think of that would belong in my collection but do I own it yep how long will I hang you love it so let's move to that I wanna see your Abbey nicely let's move to enjoyability how long does it last do you want it to last you're having fun playing it oh yeah I have a lot of fun I'm in a I'm in a name - I do love playing it I haven't owned it surprising I've already thought about selling it really absolutely why cuz the theme I did it's ugly like I don't I don't know it doesn't sound good like I'm not jamming out to ac/dc I'm not listening to Eminem like Eminem would be a good pinball machine see I'd have to own it - maybe Oh like it's it's great see here's the thing I'm gonna a - my total is not gonna reflect the level this pin because I think high more highly of it than that that's cuz that damn B it's the D and add the C I'm displaying animations doesn't help but I don't particularly like when I walk into my game room and see this doesn't do anything for me no it's not particularly beautiful the light shows nothing great there's nothing but you know what I could knock you and I would not you but as fantastic as the walking did was that's why that I just exactly hi and that's a theme I can get behind I can sing my teeth I love the theme but it was just something I drank I've had a lot of Phnom Penh babe pinball people over they a lot of non pinball people come over a plate mm-hmm they don't like Iron Maiden mmm they just don't what they play and they're like and I'm like this is one of Stern's hottest games right now and they're like why they go to Star Wars or they go to guardians or they go to something I mean I think it's great but when I first played it I mean I wanted to come back for more just because of the achievements yeah but at the same time something was still lacking to me about the pin and I can I just can't put my finger on it that's why I'm I want to own it yeah just to be able to see my thing that there's two things for me on this pin will talk about cumulative grade I'm gonna be three point zero five I'm at a B+ I think mine's perfect I feel very comfortable at mine I'm fine with mine now in my rankings of things there are some pins that I have ranked higher that I would rather have Iron Maiden just because at the end of the day I am a gameplay guy I'm a code guy I'm a shots kind of guy so that matters and for me shots a layout a rules a + enjoyability a - that should tell you all you need to know about Iron Maiden now if I could take a cheese grater and scrape every damn thing of Iron Maiden off of this pin and reprogram it to anything else any other theme I would do so in a heartbeat and I would probably keep it because it's that great of a pin Iron Maiden is nothing tonight you probably just get away with some adhesive remover I want a cheese grater you like the cheese grater pretty extreme so yeah at the end of the day when you're looking at our reviews and you're like oh thanks neg so stupid he's got Iron Maiden below he's got I remain blown Aerosmith look I would rather own Iron Maiden for the gameplay and for the rules but if you're talking about which machine looks better in my collection Aerosmith oh that's pretty guardians of the galaxy absolutely yeah Star Wars even shoot universe kind of a pretty pin it stills got the screen in the jawbone score goes you know I was gonna when you didn't sing it do the Star Wars theme either that's so awesome all right anything else we need to tell these people about iron maybe oh right yeah it is one of the Stern's best it really a game play because they aren't honestly but take it here's the thing I want to steal zombie Yeti I want to give him about five themes I want to say make all this giving the loving mommy come on zombie alright so until next week what do these people need to do they need to subscribe subscribe to know what we are are our goal when we first started this what was at 1500 I don't remember we're pushing for our 2,000 subscribers oh yeah let's push it let's get it moms have you know their cousins yes everybody push push push maybe ain't gonna make it out of them whistling kids oh she said don't subscribe at all your little Satan's if you have subscribed just don't press that unsubscribe button won't you guys go mess with him while sleeping trying his nose subscribe to us on Twitch - yes Chuck work he's kind of the driving force behind a stadium twitch at this point we've uh we've just been so busy and that's all Chuck where you're keeping that what you haven't seen yeah I think the 22nd of May he's doing a Iron Maiden's big environment Ellie Ellie strange tuned into that and they're giving away a free set up in stadium factory just what they're needed on Iron Maiden oh my gosh controversial yeah the middle play feels dardo sorry but it is Dardis true alright so from Zac and gray from straitened in the middle of pinball showing all the kids in the audience love ya [Music] [Applause] what's up there's a lot of drinks and stuff they're here inque's out and glazed enough children oh yeah it's just like nine hundred to work this is the children's invasion I'm straight down the middle now we sense for all these children consent forms two more back there no there's three over in the corners what happens when you build a playhouse one coming down the drop ceiling did you hear what trash-talker invitational said about us Oh our name oh yeah sounds like something it would develop lot lizards from Allah lizard of a trucker style I was pretty girl yeah I like the cone I don't do I like it a lot yeah I only only if there's enough ice cream down in volume you have to have it all Hobbit Hackett oh I plug that you give it the pack hey job how are we not hated more I'm trying to eat it rather than lick it man when you eat it man licking it was good things good you're more of a licker not eater well I getting in there really yeah really digging my teeth into an article that always stuck with me I read an article back in high oh my god did you really didn't hurt yourself did you and it was in the middle of Kroger the article I'd love for them to be able to post this but it's so disgusting it you're not allowed to let's do it and I was reading this article and it was how to please a woman and the editor on there he was like unless you [Music] you have not you have not done the job right my words at is fall words to live by is it not true words to live on that true it very true