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#66 Horror Show - The Classic Pinball Podcast

The Classic Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·56m 29s·analyzed·Nov 3, 2021
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TL;DR

Classic Pinball Podcast hosts review upcoming show games and discuss community feedback.

Summary

George and Dr. Dave host episode 66 of The Classic Pinball Podcast, opening with apologies for a premature raw footage release, discussing guest appearances and feedback, and spending most of the episode reviewing games on the Straight Down the Middle pinball show lineup. They cover personal anecdotes, industry gossip, and metacommentary on pinball culture, before methodically going through upcoming games to decide which ones to play at the event.

Key Claims

  • Approximately 13 listeners received premature raw footage of a recent episode

    high confidence · George, opening explanation of accidental release

  • Dave Christensen put a picture of Chicago burning on Volton artwork as a statement about leaving Bally

    medium confidence · George, citing a podcast quote about artwork motivation

  • Dave Marston invited himself back onto the program to discuss other classic pins and arcade games

    high confidence · George, quoting Marston's direct invitation

  • Dale Jr.'s podcast has low viewership; George attributes this to his negativity or lack of audience interest

    medium confidence · George, making apology and speculation about poor performance

  • Pintastic has changed its reward system to a points-based model that some find overly complicated

    high confidence · George and Dave, discussing website design and audience feedback

  • Escher Lefkoff won an American Pinball tournament at Expo despite his winner's bracket opponent (Zach McCarthy) having a four-hour layoff

    high confidence · George, recounting tournament results and discussing impact of rest time

  • All four finalists at the Expo tournament were under 20 years old and played only modern games

    high confidence · George, observing youth dominance in tournament finals

  • Jack Danger designed a Jurassic Park home edition pinball machine priced at $6,700

    high confidence · George and Dave, discussing home edition games with particle board playfields

Notable Quotes

  • “I released it prematurely. I was playing with one of the other podcasts, putting it together, and unfortunately I pressed the button I probably shouldn't have.”

    George @ early in episode — Explanation of accidental raw footage release; establishes transparency about technical mistakes

  • “I wanted to blow Chicago up.”

    Dave Christensen (quoted) @ mid-episode — Context for Volton artwork decision; reveals designer sentiment about leaving Bally

  • “We can do it again to talk about other classic pins. We got into arcade games. We can talk about classic and add-a-ball games.”

    Dave Marston (quoted) @ early segment — Guest expressing interest in return appearance; indicates positive reception

  • “I'm not going to be mean when you have a game for sale. I'm not going to be mean and trash on it because I think it makes it harder for you to sell the game.”

    George @ early-mid episode — Apology to Dale Jr. for negative commentary; reflects on impact of criticism on sales

  • “Do you think a four-hour layoff hurt the guy? Yeah, of course it did. You got cold.”

    Dave @ tournament discussion section — Analysis of tournament format impact; raises questions about fairness and flow state

  • “Shoot it up the middle. No. Do you think either our audience is saluting you or shutting off the podcast?”

    George and Dave @ game discussion section — Commentary on game design criticism; self-aware about potentially alienating audience

  • “There's a town in New Jersey called Wycoff, and the phrase always was... Wycoff when you can sneeze.”

    Dave @ joke segment — Humor about Escher Lefkoff's twin brother; demonstrates playful banter and local references

  • “I'm honest. I don't mean them any ill will. I'm just pointing out certain things.”

    George — Defense of critical approach to game reviews; clarifies intent behind negative commentary

Entities

GeorgepersonDr. DavepersonGrantpersonDave ChristensenpersonDave MarstonpersonDale Jr.personJack DangerpersonZach McCarthypersonEscher Lefkoff

Signals

  • ?

    content_signal: Accidental premature release of raw episode footage affected approximately 13 listeners; hosts acknowledge technical error and meta-discussion of show production

    high · George's opening apology and explanation of pressing wrong button during multi-podcast editing session

  • ?

    industry_signal: Dave Christensen's motivation for Volton artwork revealed to be statement about leaving Bally; portrays burning Chicago as expression of frustration with company exit

    medium · Quote attributed to Christensen: 'I wanted to blow Chicago up' in context of artwork design

  • ?

    community_signal: Dave Marston expressed interest in returning for future episodes to discuss classic pins and arcade games

    high · Direct quote from Marston inviting himself back for additional appearances

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: George publicly apologizes for harsh criticism of Dale Jr. game, concerned negativity impacted sales; commits to more balanced commentary

    high · George's explicit apology and statement about not wanting to harm sales with negative reviews

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Expo American Pinball tournament featured all four finalists under age 20 playing modern games only; hosts discuss impact of extended layoffs on tournament performance

    high · George's observation of youth dominance and four-hour layoff analysis affecting Zach McCarthy's performance

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Put a nickel in the slot and push the handle Five more chances for a winner in this game Pull the trigger, watch them roll Now I know I'll make my goal And this pinball game's gonna bring me fame I made a hundred, I made a thousand I made a million, but I won't quit there I made a million, I'm making millions Now I'm going to be a pinball millionaire Hello and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George and I'm here with my co-conspirator, I mean, sorry, my co-host dr dave hello dave hello george i like that co-conspirator i can go with that that's fine we're working off the sheet today let's first start with the mea culpa anybody who's listened to us for any period of time noticed in the last couple weeks that there was a release of raw footage. 13 of you got. I don't know how many of you listened to. The only reason I know it happened was our listener Grant in Australia tipped me off and said, is there something that you're not telling me about this episode? Well, yeah. I released it prematurely. I was playing with one of the other podcasts, putting it together, and unfortunately I pressed the button I probably shouldn't have. Now, I got thrown under the bus for age the other day and that might have something to do with it. My technical prowess might have something else to do with it, but some of you got to hear the wizard. You got to pull the curtain back and see how we make the sausage, which isn't very pretty.
2:15
Grant was very polite in saying, now I get what goes into making a show. And yes, it's a little time consuming. So my apologies to the audience. That's why you see episode 64.1. That's why you see two different ones, same episode in Apple Podcasts. So blame me, but you folks seem to have liked listening to Tommy. Dave, you did a great job. and I'll stop talking for a second and let Dave comment if he would on his interaction with Tommy and throwing me under the bus George some would say you're old but well I guess they'd be correct but anyway no George it's all in fun we like rubbing each other so it was good times and good way of having me say that I was old too because, hey, what the heck, you know? We age like fine wine.
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design_philosophy: Hosts express criticism of modern game design focusing on smartphone-based mechanics; skepticism about 'shoot middle' strategy in newer titles

high · George's dismissal of Dialed In as 'game based on your freaking smartphone' and criticism of repetitive saucer shooting

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    market_signal: Jurassic Park home edition priced at $6,700; hosts express skepticism about particle board playfields at premium pricing

    high · Discussion of Jack Danger design with comparison to Star Wars edition ($4,500) and dismissal as 'junk'

  • ?

    event_signal: Pintastic implemented points-based reward system; community feedback mixed with some preferring simpler gift certificate model

    high · George and Dave's discussion of website confusion and audience suggestions for McDonald's/Starbucks gift cards

  • ?

    collector_signal: Q by Sturgeon extremely rare (only six made); George passed on ownership opportunity at $800 despite curiosity about game mechanics

    high · George's account of playing at Mike Engel's location and decision not to purchase

  • ?

    content_signal: Dale Jr. has significant Spotify podcast presence with approximately one billion listeners; dwarfs Classic Pinball Podcast reach

    medium · George's surprised discovery of Dale Jr.'s large Spotify podcast audience while researching image restrictions

  • ?

    venue_signal: Pintastic described as event for general/non-pinball audiences with family traffic and heavy seminar focus; positioning differs from specialized collector events

    medium · Dave's characterization of Pintastic as 'more of an event for people who are non-pinballers' with 'tons of seminars'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Modern tournament games criticized for excessive play length (45+ minutes per game); raises logistical concerns for organized tournament format

    high · George's observation of Kamarchek/Lefkoff game lasting 45 minutes and concern about managing tournament schedules

    • 3:19
    And there's some other thing in there too. I forget what it was, but we'll just go with that one. It was a lot of fun doing that podcast.
    3:27
    While we're talking about the Voltan podcast, real quick, I heard this on one of the podcasts about Dave Christensen and why he did the artwork as he did on Volton. Have you heard this story? I have not heard the story. Tell me. Do tell, please. There's a quote. Let me see if I can find it. The story goes that he was on his way out of Bali at the time. He knew that he was closing the door behind him and leaving.
    4:04
    And somebody asked him, why did you put a picture of Chicago burning as if the apocalypse just happened? And the quote was, I wanted to blow Chicago the f*** up.
    4:22
    Well, I guess he had no other strong opinion than that one, I guess. So that's good. My question to you is, number two on the sheet. Do you think Dave Marston had a good time with us?
    4:37
    Did he have a good time with us? I'd say, yeah, he had a good time. You know, he got to, you know, bloviate, extravagate, extravaganza, whatever you call it, and, you know, extrapolate. Sure. Do you remember what I said to you after we completed the show about what happened at the end? Refresh our memory, George. I said, don't you remember he invited himself onto our program again? Oh, he did. That's right. Here's the quote. You didn't hear it first. No. Go ahead. We can do it again to talk about other classic pins. We got into arcade games. We can talk more about classic and add-a-ball games. Okay. Okay, sounds right. So I'm going to leave it to our audience. Oh, George, I like that. Audience, we have them back or not?
    5:39
    Yeah, that's fair. I think so. Yeah. I think so. Okay, so that's number two on the list. There's probably more. I'll dig it up as we go along. Oh, number three. My apologies.
    5:54
    Wow, I'm doing a lot of this today. Dale Jr. Yes, Dale Jr. I wasn't very nice to you. No, you weren't. Poor little Dale and his little pinball. Well, poor little Dale's podcast is not doing very well. It's either my negativity or people don't care. You know what I side on, but I apologize. So I'm not going to be mean. when you have a game for sale, I'm not going to be mean and trash on it because I think it makes it harder for you to sell the game. Now, I've been enthusiastic about other games, but not so much for that one, and I'm sorry. That's okay, George. You know, I actually have a customer who bought a nice restored Gottlieb Roller Disco for me a couple years ago, and he just contacted me again. He's got a bunch of grandkids and he wants me to replace a couple light bulbs in this or trade it in towards another game. And I'm thinking, you know, you need a Dale Jr. That's what I'm thinking he needs, a nice Dale Jr. Of course, he's near Boston. I don't know if Boston is a Dale Jr. county, but it might be. I'm going to try selling hard on that one And I think you should keep both games because I don't have the room right now to take a wide-body System 1. And that leads me into the story that I had to hear when I was editing the podcast.
    7:34
    What story was that, George? Ring, ring, ring. George, the guy wants his games back. Oh, that one. What? the guy wants his games back and you answered the call right well not yet like don't just keep the games and you did what well i kept texting and texting and calling and it's like ah what is like then he mentioned you know lawyers might get involved or some crap or not his games to sell and blah, blah, blah. It's like, you know what? I don't need it. I heard the whole story in the last episode. I don't need it. I had to find out when I'm editing. You didn't even tell me. What's the surprise, George? Oh, yeah, surprise. Well, surprise for you. Here it is. Okay, time to pay up. All right. I'm not going to take it in today because we're sitting here enjoying a couple of beverages while we record. But I do need some help on one of my games. Not this time.
    8:37
    I mean, you brought dinner this time, so I can't very well ask you to do anything today. Next time. My rates are very reasonable, George. No, you got no. Yeah, my rates too. You want to. George is trucking. Yeah, George is trucking. That's true. George is trucking. And humping. And I don't mean that kind. I mean humping pinball machines. Jeez. That happens in Silvermania. Stop. Okay, we're done.
    9:06
    Okay, we're going to. You're going to make an election. How far have we gone already? You're going to make a decision. All right. Oh, we can punt on this one. We're going to punt on that one. Okay. All right. This we're going to have some fun with, folks. Okay.
    9:23
    Is it quiz time? No, no. We're going to go back. I want a pinball quiz. Oh, shh. Quiet. Okay. Come on. Give me a second. I want an e-stack. Yeah, yeah. Man, Mr. Jeez, I'm patient. It's usually me. while perusing the games list for Pentastic I happened to see the latest Elvira game okay did you see that? I know you haven't played it I have not played it I have I think it's is it called Elvira fully revealed or something?
    9:57
    no okay but you're a good good lead in Now, tell the audience we have not talked about this before. We have not talked about this before. We have not talked at all about this at all. Okay.
    10:12
    Dave, are you aware that Elvira has a new book out? I was not aware. So, I happened to go out looking for the Elvira game and happened upon... Is it my years with Hef? Oh, no. Oh, no, you're not even in the same ballpark. You're not. My life as a nun? No, no. Oh, okay. If you were to guess, what do you think the big reveal is?
    10:48
    She designed bras later on in her life. No, no. Serious. Big reveal. Oh, she's a man. Oh, you're getting closer. No way. You're getting closer. Not her, too. There's too much of this these days. Yeah. What's going on? Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Yes. Oh, come on. Yes. Wait, wait. But here's a better question. Oh, boy. Now, I'm not one to read Yahoo News, first of all. Yeah. It's for Yahoo's. I checked, and it was on other platforms. Okay. That's good. So it must be real. I believe science in my team. It must be real. Okay. However. Okay.
    11:30
    Here's the question. And if you haven't figured it out by now, folks, man, you really need to grab a clue.
    11:40
    Do you think that disappoints most people? I'm going to use the pejorative, people. Or do you think they're excited by that news? Hold on. Let's just get to what the news is. But how do we know what you're talking about? Nope, nope, nope, nope. We're not talking about it. All right, hold on. You know what I need? I need my secret George Decoder ring. Then I can figure what's going on. Okay, look at me. Okay. Look at me. Yeah.
    12:12
    Okay. Right. Yeah. Okay, I got that. Yeah. That's not a part of this equation. That's not. That's. Let me think. So. Just read the. Just don't read it out loud. Just read it. I'll read for you. I'm going to take the hit for you folks on the show here. I'm going to read this.
    12:36
    Oh, all right. So, yeah. All right. So she mows lawns. That's all right. She's a lawnmower. That's the end. Okay. That's the end. No more.
    12:51
    I always start the conversation with, do you remember? And then I remember not to ask you that question because you usually don't. So we did have a conversation about the Star Wars Home Edition. Oh, I remember this. Yeah. I think I brought this up once before. You made a plywood or a particle board or something. Very good. Fall apart. Very, very, very, very, very good. Yeah. Now, are you aware that they came out with a Jurassic Park version? I am aware of that. And are you aware that Jack Danger... Sorry, Jack. Jack Danger was the designer. sounds familiar do you even know who Jack Danger is? I do know Jack Danger, yes, very dangerous anyway have you changed your opinion?
    13:37
    no, well, let's see 4500 versus 6700 is it the same crappy play field with particle board in it? yes, versus that is junk for 4500 bucks, buy yourself a DMD we're moving on okay bought a cheap pair of connectors because of your and tommy's conversation connectors oh crimpers crimpers yes i said connectors crimpers right taiwanese all right 20 bucks excuse george george zold stop it with that i got him again with that you started it go ahead all right yes somebody recommended it on pin side goodbye for 20 bucks you're like oh yeah hung what was it hung low it It was. Hung Lo Distributors. You know, I bought mine. This guy is called Something Wong. It's really, he does good stuff. No, what was the name of your eye doctor?
    14:39
    Dr. Tang? Dr. Tang. Really friendly doctor, too. I really recommend you guys go see him. Did you meet his wife? His wife was named, I don't know why, her name was Poon. It's really strange. I don't understand that, but, you know, it's weird. It's strange, the Asian names. I don't know how they do these things. Okay. More tech talk. Lopsicles. Do you remember us talking about those? I do, yes. They're tasty. Yeah, somebody... Have you used them yet? I have not used them because I don't really... Okay, you haven't used them yet. Don't even want to, but go ahead.
    15:15
    I guess some customization is needed on the... GI. No, no, nothing to do with the pinball itself, the Lopsicle. Because it's a squared, if you're pressing them out, they sometimes don't fit in the spaces you want, so you've got to do a little customization of the plastic housing. What would you call that? Board? The board, okay. You have to do a little sawing. You've got to do a little shaving, sawing, et cetera. Sounds time-consuming. Yeah, it didn't get a good review by another podcaster who will remain nameless. Explain to me the following.
    15:55
    I'm out on Pentastic's website. Uh-oh. They have this thing with points. It's very understandable, George. It's so simple.
    16:05
    Actually, it's not that simple. But go ahead, George. You go. You're a regular guy looking at the website. You're seeing these points things and you're thinking to yourself, what are you thinking? Why? You're thinking why. Why is it so difficult to understand or why, just why in general? Put whatever sentence you want behind it. I'd say why overcomplicate the matter and make it a little simpler for the average person to, I don't know, bring a game and, you know. I'm not going to a pinball show to accumulate points and prizes. There were people that spoke up and said, you know, let's make it simple. Let's give people, you know, instead of these points, So you're going to a Chuck E. Cheese and winning some, you know, how many tickets do I win? I want to buy a plastic ring for this amount of tickets, whatever. Let's scrap that model and let's go with, you know, let's give them a gift certificate to McDonald's or Starbucks or whatever. It's easy to understand. And, you know, some people said, no, no, it's the points thing is great. People love it. And there are a lot of people who said, no, they don't love it.
    17:12
    Okay, you got some stuff. Well, I got something. I got a Jason one. You know how you got Pinside, you got Rec Games Pinball, you got Facebook Marketplace for Pinball, right? All the different groups talking about pinball. There's even a classic or EM thing on Facebook. Did you know, George, that Facebook is changing their name to Meta? Did you hear about this? Don't steal this. I'm changing my name. You are. What are you changing it to? Meta George. All right, Meta George. Did you Meta George? Or did you Meta George? I Meta George, actually. Maybe I should be Meta George. You might not want to be Meta George, though, because I will tell you. So the whole Meta thing and the new symbol. I just want to copyright it so you can't steal my image or anything. I'm me. I'm me in the virtual world. I think the Zuck de Borg is not going to be happy if you do that. Zuck de Borg? Zuck de Borg. He's a Borg. Yes, he's Zuck de Borg. Oh, I thought you were saying something else. Zuck de Borg. Not Zuck Borg. Zuckaborg. He's a Borg. No, you were right the first time. From Star Trek. I thought you were performing something on the Borg. No, no, no. No, no. I don't think so. So it's Meta. That's what you said. Well, we're going to change to Meta. So Meta, the symbol is going to be Ouroboros, which is a snake eating itself. And did you know, George, that you know what Meta means in Hebrew?
    18:41
    It means dead. So there you go, Facebook fans. You're going to belong to a dad. So apropos for Halloween. It is Halloween after all. And look, he even laughs like a freaking spook.
    18:56
    So enjoy that. Enjoy that knowledge. You're welcome. You're just full of it today, aren't you? I mean. I'm full of something. Yeah.
    19:08
    Follow that one up. Go ahead. I can't. is that all you have to contribute that was it I might have more later one trick pony you know what folks I was going to save this for another episode but we're a little light on content so Dave and I are going to have some fun like we did on our first podcast when we went through that was way back in the 80's wasn't it it's not that long ago Okay. Feels like the end. Almost two and a half years ago. That's a long... 65 episodes ago. Wow. I wanted to plug two of our episodes. Oh, one, go back and listen, please, to our Dale Earnhardt, even if you don't like it, because that's a really sad episode.
    19:57
    What do you mean? Well, it's sad because of the views. Yeah. We should have called it NASCAR. We would have got more episodes. I did, but it still didn't work. It still didn't work. So we're going to do a roundup like we did the last time. We should do a vote. Do you like looking at Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s stupid face in the back with his glasses on? Do not crap on that guy. He's got a podcast. Oh, that's what we didn't talk about. Oh, good lead-in. We didn't talk about this. Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. Because I'll forget. Spotify.
    20:30
    Okay, yeah. Oh, yes. Remember I told you this? Yes. So I released, if you don't listen to us on Spotify, the only difference is they allow us to put pictures, and I try to change them for certain episodes. So I thought, hey, I'll take a picture of the back glass for Dale Earnhardt Jr.
    20:50
    Well, wouldn't you know, they didn't publish the picture. And I said to myself, that's really weird. a picture of... It's not like it's copyrighted material. I'm taking a picture of it.
    21:05
    But then I looked. He's got this gigantic podcast on Spotify. I had no idea. He's got like about a billion listeners. My first question would be why. But go ahead, George. He's got a lot more listeners than you. So don't throw him under the bus. Okay.
    21:26
    You don't have to like it. I know. Anyway, we're going back in time, folks. Time machine. I like time machine. Time machine. 88 miles per hour. First episode, we had no idea what we were doing, much like today.
    21:39
    And we went through the list of games. So here we are. I told you it's Halloween. So we're, what, 18 days before the... That's coming up quick. Yeah. And before we get going, not knowing what games... I know you already looked at the list. I looked at it very quickly. is there any game specifically that you want to play at the show?
    22:10
    No. There is not. No curiosity whatsoever. Let's see. Well, if there's a Godzilla there, I'd play that. I'd check it out. I mean, that's the obvious answer, but... For old school, you know, I'd play an X's and O's if one's there. Like the XO, whatever, the Williams game from the EM. With the tic-tac-toe game? Yeah, it's called X's and O's. It's a Williams... So it's a tic-tac-toe game. Yeah, a tic-tac-toe game, yeah. Is that the one that Eric played for the Classics out in California? Yeah, that one there, yeah. I want that game at some point. If I can find that game, I'd buy that one. and maybe an Andromeda.
    22:58
    I'd play an Andromeda. I'd look at that one too. A game plan. Done by the guy, was it Paul Ferris? Yeah, who did Centaur. He did Centaur, and he did a game plan Andromeda.
    23:10
    Kind of two sister games there. That's a fun game. Okay. I could have bought one years ago for a thousand bucks, and I should have pulled the trigger on it. Would have, should have, could have, didn't.
    23:21
    Let's see what I want to play there. I would agree with you that's the easy answer. But there's other games we haven't played yet. We haven't played either the Ultraman or the Halloween thing. No. I don't. No, I'd rather play Godzilla than that. But I want to play those just because, you know, I play every new game and give you an opinion. I plunge a ball.
    23:45
    Yeah. I give them one. Well, that's what they should do. I plunge one ball. See how it goes. And then Mando. but... I don't care.
    23:54
    Do you know the secret to playing that game? A lobotomy? Shoot it up the middle. No. Do you think either our audience is saluting you or shutting off the podcast? I know.
    24:16
    Shoot it up the middle. That's like the freaking attack from Mars. Well, no, that's... Saying the freaking thing. Anyway, I'm just telling you. Don't yell at me. I didn't make the game. It's so lame. I just report. I watch a lot of stuff.
    24:32
    I watched last night. He's a dumbing down America, man. There is a... Look. Go ahead, George. Everybody's going to start shutting off the freaking podcast again. Because I'm breaking the rules. But last night I'm watching the tournament from Expo. and wouldn't you know all four finalists were under 20 years old what were they playing all the modern games there you go put them on an old school see what they do well it was going on today we'll watch it after we're done recording but anyway those games go so long. I know they do. It's ridiculous.
    25:24
    I watched the one game with Kamarchek and Escher Lefkoff. If that game wasn't 45 minutes long, call me a liar. How do you do a pinball tournament or even a pinball league where you have all these modern games and, hey, I don't know, where's player two? Oh, he went to the bathroom five hours ago. I think he's lost. because he lost his freaking... It was validated at Expo, but it was exciting because this is the crazy part of a tournament.
    25:58
    And I'm leaving this in because it's kind of the question. The winner of the winner's bracket, they have a winner's bracket and a loser's bracket. The winner of the winner's bracket was a guy named Zach McCarthy.
    26:19
    Good Italian name. He sat around for four hours waiting for the finalist from the losers bracket, which was Escher Lefkoff. Not only was he in there, Raymond Davidson, a bunch of other really good players were all in the... And I kept scratching my head going, that's kind of weird.
    26:46
    Was Eric Stone in all this? I don't think he was. I don't think he was there. But Escher Lefkoff, the guy who was the finalist in the loser bracket, won. But he had to perform. It's usually the best out of three games. He had to do that twice.
    27:06
    So he had to beat the guy two out of three on the first set of games. Then he had to do the same thing again in order to be the winner. And he did it. That's pretty good. It's pretty good. But I think the layoff, there's the question. Do you think a four-hour layoff hurt the guy? Yeah, of course it did. You got cold. You're hot on the game. That's great about old-school games. If you're playing, you're hot on the game. You're doing really well. You're in the zone. You're zending out. And then you're out on the cold. It's like being in a basketball game. You're hot. You're running around the field or running around the court. You get off. You get cold. You come back on. You're all stiff. You're not in the flow. He ended up winning.
    27:53
    Because? He kept playing in the loser's bracket. And then it came time. Zach had to step up. And he had been sitting for four hours. Fun fact. Escher Lefkoff has an identical twin brother.
    28:09
    And his name is Wykoff There a left and right cough George There's a... I'll bail you on this one. There's a town in New Jersey called Wycoff, and the phrase always was... Wycoff. Wycoff when you can sneeze. Right. Okay. That's about as good as your joke. No, mine's better.
    28:40
    The three studios are like, why cop? I want to let people know, I don't put in his laugh. He laughs at his own jokes. I don't put in a laugh track. He laughs at his own stuff. Someone has to. Okay, okay. You know what? I know it's me and our buddy in Australia. We both laugh together.
    28:59
    Well. And he needs some laughs. No political commentary. He needs laughs. I'm helping him laugh. I'm glad he's able to get out and about. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. We're helping. What else we got? I got the game list, but I think we should, do you think we're going to record before, uh, before Thanksgiving? No, before the show. Probably not. Before the show. 18 days from now. Yeah, it definitely could. Yeah. Cause I think we're going to do our little double, double game, double secret probation game. So we can do that then. Yeah.
    29:36
    Cause we can run through it. We ran through it pretty quick the last time and you're pretty, negative because you don't want to play anything. We could probably run through this. Why don't we run through it? Go ahead. We've got time, George. Go ahead. Because if I don't run through the list, they're going to accuse me of trashing on Pintastic. And I'm not. I've told you time and time again that we get on here because you want to hear our opinions. And I'm honest. I don't mean them any ill will. I'm just pointing out certain things. Well, you know, every show has their forte and their audience. The Allentown show has that audience.
    30:15
    Pintastic is a little like Expo. I think they're trying to be like... No, I think it's more of a an event for people who are non-pinballers.
    30:26
    Which is? Pintastic? Yeah. They get a lot of general traffic. Well, no, they do. They have families. Well, that's what I mean. They have tons of seminars. They're all seminars, seminars, seminars. You've been invited to any seminars? Hell no.
    30:41
    But although I had been approached at one point to run a seminar and run a talk at some point, but I did not do it yet. Okay.
    30:52
    Let's go through the games. Okay. I actually need a beer. Me too, George. Okay. Part of the Me Too movement. You want a glass?
    31:02
    What do you want? What do you got, George? you've already you had the Brooklyn Beard you like the Brooklyn Beard it wasn't bad I'd I got another one or I got the pocket knife thing or the bay one so that's what's pocket knife is that the pocket machete thing a machete the one we just drank I'll do a little machete I'll do or I'll split a machete with you want to split one or you want to do a whole one better yet fresh one so then I was thinking you know I know that that's what I'm saying and I was thinking what's the what's Bruce Gender what's the girl's name oh yeah Caitlyn I was thinking Caitlyn Gender or Caitlyn Jenner you know she was woman of the year but she wasn't even a woman for a whole year yet how'd she win woman of the year because it was within a calendar year but she still wasn't Or it or they. Whatever it is. It came on the scene late. Is it they or it? I'm not sure. It came on the scene late.
    32:10
    We're going to go through. There's 100. Did I say correctly? 167 games. Already? Wow. It went from 50. I don't think it is, but that's what it said. That's pretty close. Yeah, there's a lot of games. Here we go. Go ahead.
    32:23
    You can comment or you can pass. All right. Sounds good. 24. not too good pass three jokers don't know it Williams 1970 don't know it pass ACDC premium been there done that good game play Aerosmith Pro fun good looker does that have the does the pro have the toy box Charlie in the box no probably not don't know if it doesn't no good Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle Don't care. No, that's actually a pretty good game. Okay. Alien Poker. Yeah, I like that game.
    33:07
    Unfamiliar. Have to play it. I own one. Amigo. No, pass. Aquarius. Pass. Asteroid Alien, the aliens. What's it called? That Gottlieb. Oh. That's a real pig, isn't it? It's a real pig, but I'd give it a play. I'd play it once just to play it. Okay, I'll put it on our list. Attack from Mars. Don't care. although John Day will hate that because John Day loves that game remake special edition whatever that is oh that's the new one rather than the old one so they're going to have both that's actually pretty good we should actually do that we will play it we should actually do that it has good comedy I will give it that but you are shooting a saucer bang bang all the freaking time we can do the comparison I'm in the minority here but we can do the comparison and sorry John I know you love the game Okay, Baywatch.
    34:00
    No. A lot of people like that game. No, thank you. Big Guns. Nah. Black Hole. Fun game. We never did that game, didn't we? No, John has one.
    34:12
    Valley Blackjack. Underrated game. I'd play that. Yeah, I should have bought it a long time ago. I should, me too. Black Knight. No. Well, we've done it. We've done it. Many times. Bobby Orr. Yeah, I've seen it done. Own it. Bram Stoker's Dracula. Moosed Whatever They got three of them Three of them It's not a bad game There's three of them I'm sorry He has little Card whiz Lightning flippers Card whiz Fun game Sold it But good two player Casino From Williams 1958 Probably Unless it's super restored I will pass Don't know Charlie's Angels Isn't that a pick? No I Well hey I made a nice Charlie's Angels back in the day I don't care if you made a nice one It was beautiful It could still be a pig. Yeah, but I put lipstick on it.
    34:59
    Not a bad game, but I would still pass on that game because it's not that good. Clubhouse, Williams, 1958. I'd probably pass unless it's restored. I don't get this one. I've played it. Congo?
    35:14
    If it's in really plain, nice shape, that's not a bad game. I didn't play a good... Contact by Williams. What's that? Oh, that's an early System 3 or System 4 wide body. with the lockdown bars like the 1957 Buick bumper. Okay, pass. Corvette.
    35:32
    Nah, I don't care. Countdown. Not a bad system one, but I'd play a game. Here's a rare one. Q by Sturgeon. That game. I'd play that. Have you played it? They only made six of them. But have you played it? I played it once. Where? At Mike Engel's place. He had one. I could have bought it too for like 800 bucks I passed I should have bought it maybe but it's not that good of a game it's really very bizarre the flippers are going to the outside they're shooting up it's a bizarre stupid game Cyclone we're going to move on we'll play that game we'll play Q I wouldn't mind playing Q and kind of commenting on it so that's the future thing go ahead Cyclone don't care Demolition Man dialed in definitely don't care Totally overrated. Dumb. Game based on your freaking smartphone. Who cares? I don't get that game. Who cares? Duotron. Nah, junk. Earthshaker. Not bad. Okay. Here's our girlfriend, Elvira. Which one? The new one.
    36:38
    Is there cleavage there or is it covered up? No. They actually... Okay. I'd try it. I'll give it a play. I like it because it's got all the old movie clips in it, which is pretty cool. I'd give her a spin. it's a lot of money for that game. I'd buy her a drink first. If it wasn't so much money, it would be a good game. I'd buy her a drink. You'd probably say that about almost anything today. Evil Knievel. Yeah, I'd play that. Played it when I was there last year. Hell yeah, I'd play that game. Hopefully it's in nice shape.
    37:09
    Yeah. F14 Tomcat. Fun game. I'd probably play it once. Now, here's a custom game. Ferris Bueller's Day Off. that is based on the stern mustang pin is what that is okay and um i would play that because i like the movie two fireball classics i own the game so i don't really need to right firepower and firepower too i own i own two of those and i'm working on two of those for customers so flash gordon you have one great game be great if it's restored right but who knows here's one i know you own and we should do a show on it at some point. We never have. Flight 2000. Yeah, we should do that game. We should play it there to see what theirs plays like. Yeah, okay. Flipper Clown. No, I don't care. Flying Circus. No, I don't care. Foxy Lady. No, definitely Foxy Lady's junk. Full Throttle.
    38:03
    That's a stupid... Who makes that stupid pin with the metal? Highway Pinball. Yeah, no. Oh, that's what that thing is. Fun House, your wife's game. A lot of atheists like that game. No, no, thanks.
    38:20
    Fun House. No, I own that one. Genie. I like that. I own that game. I'd play that once. Which Ghostbusters did we play when we were... Premium. Yeah, they're going to have the Pro. That was a hard game. Hard game. It's not a bad game. No, Godzilla Pro is going to be there. I think that's going to be in the tournament. So that raises the question. We're going to be in a tournament, right? You and I will be in a tournament? I told you that I'll buy you your first one. All right, let's do a tournament. That'd be fun. We're going to do some podcasting. You know there's going to be people online. We know. Yeah, we'll interview them. We'll be in total costume. It's going to be fun.
    39:00
    Do a costume? We're going to be in costume, aren't we? I'm not wearing it. I'm wearing the Guy Fawkes situation. The who? Guy Fawkes. with the evil Spock beard. We're not doing that? I have no idea who that is. George doesn't know what we're talking about. Gold Wings.
    39:19
    There's also a sister again called Red Wings. But no, Gold Wings. Gorgar. Two of them. I'm going to cut you off. Okay, two Gorgars, two Grand Lizards, a Grand Prix and a Grand Slam.
    39:36
    Grand Prix, yes. Yeah, I play Grand Prix. I play that one too. That's a funny game. Everything else, no. No. Grand Slam. Oh, that's the Gottlieb one. No, that's not good. No, that's not. It's a pinball. That's not a pitching bat? I don't think so. Oh, too bad. Okay, four Guns N' Roses. Why would we be interviewing them? One Day to East and three thing. We played it. People heard about us talk about it. They don't need to hear it again. High Deal? No. Is that the one with the ape? Ape on it. Oh, that's crappy. I don't get it. Throw a banana. High Speed? if it's a nice shape didn't we do that I had one I restored we probably did we don't even know what we do any game I restore here's a game we're going to play and I'm going to politic for the upteen billion time a stern hot hand the one with the sweeper yeah yeah we'd do that okay that's fine hot shot no Houdini
    40:36
    Not bad. Have you played it? I have played it. Very tight shots. Where the hell did I play it? They sell the game because the shots are too tight.
    40:43
    Yeah, I didn't enjoy playing it, if I recall. Pretty game. I did play it. I don't remember. It's a very tough game. Hurricane.
    40:50
    I don't care. No. Now, did I hear correctly? Indianapolis 500. Is that a low production game? I don't know. I would say it's 4,000 copies of that made offhand. We'll come back to that. All right. Iron Maiden. Which one?
    41:12
    Iron Maiden. Stern? The Stern? I mean, the old Stern. No, the new Stern. Well, the old Stern. They own two of those rare ones from years ago. Oh, no, no. They made 400 of them. You mean the... The Pat Benatar one. The Pat Benatar game. Sorry. No, I mean... No, but the Stern game's good. Yeah, it's good. It's decent. I played it before, so I don't really need to play it again. I played a lot of those games down in Delray Beach. Again, a lot of these new games, they don't have repeatability. It's like, I played it once, I don't need to. But the old school games I played... It's an okay game. Yeah. It's got a good soundtrack.
    41:46
    Judge Dredd. Nah, I don't care. Jungle Queen. It's not bad. It's okay. Kewpie Doll. No. King of Diamonds. We're only on the case. No. Last Action Hero. No.
    42:01
    Electronimo. No. No, I don't like that game. Tommy butchered that game for another Stern. Lethal Weapon 3. No. Lights, camera, action. Definitely not. Although it's rare, but it's not good. I don know what that is It a godly Okay here Lost in Space 65 John Ford Game Review Brian Hawkins did that Brian Hawkins he brought it a couple years ago He really good at what he does Oh, he was politicking out online. I said, everybody and their grandmother has watched that show at some point in time in their life. Not only here in the United States, but across the globe. Everybody knows that. Yep. So I'd play it again. it's a fun I've never played it but it's fun for the sound clips I told him to bring it and he is Lost World Lost Causes we call it Mars God of War God Leave System 80 not too good Mata Hari I own it too I don't care Melody nah Metallica don't care played it yeah Meteor it's a nice we played it when we were in if it's a nice seapair playfield in there Yeah, I'd play it. Monster Bash Remake. Don't care. Motor Dome. Oh, definitely. Horrible game. Jeremy game. Ugly as sin. Mousing around. Ugly. Why would you own that game? Mousing around. People like that game. That's not bad because it's a hard shot up the right ramp to the freaking most thing. Here, you're going to have to go look. Two NASCARs.
    43:36
    But no Dale Jr. They need a Dale Jr. No, they don't. It would be interesting to see if anyone was. Everyone needs one. We'll see if anyone was. What they sell for. Right. if they are for sale. NBA Fast Break. A lot of people like that game. Nah, junk. New York. Isn't that... No, I had that. I saw that. Two-player Pioneer. Oh, that's where I heard that. Yeah, it's an edible. No Fear.
    43:56
    Not a bad game, but I wouldn't play it. Here's one for the ages. 1932. All's Well Manufacturing. Oh, yeah.
    44:09
    Oh, yeah. By Yellow. See, that's a... I can't do it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we don't have a fact. That's Ferris Bueller's. They should put that next to Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. Okay, okay, okay. They should definitely do that. Calm down, calm down, calm down. I'm so excited, George.
    44:31
    Panthera. That's a great Gottlieb game from 1980. It's 1980 Gottlieb. That's fun. Go to the head of the class. I'd play that. Here you go. Pig. The Party Zone. Pig? What's a pig? The Party Zone? No, no good. Junk. Pincraft. Don't know what the heck that is. Brian and Connor Smith 2021. Okay, that sounds like a homebrew. Pinball, Playboy 35th Anniversary, Data East. Lots of good porn on that game, but all porn is gay porn, so no. Poker.
    45:01
    No. By Zach Frey 2021. I have no idea. Right, you can't say no. I'd give it a shot. Rack Em Up. No. Milestar 1983. Junk. Raw Hide. Not a bad old. That game came a couple times to pen test. Is that a... It's an old Stern. Is that a Chimer? Chimer, one of the first Sterns they made. They took it over from... What's the company?
    45:24
    Oh. Bob's. Bob's Disconferential. Exactly right. That's exactly right, George. How about Red and Ted's Roadshow? No, stupid. Double the flavor, double the fun, then Funhaus with the two heads. No, no. Funhaus is better than that game. That game is stupid. Well, I'm just saying. It's got two heads. Game is... Red Baron, Chicago Coin. Oh, that's a... Chicago Coin, that's the company. Chicago Coin, Stern took them over and made Rawhide, but that's a Chicago Coin game. And the girl on... I'm not a big Chicago Coin fan. The girl on Rawhide was very voluptuous, had nice little knockers on her, George, if you must have... So she made good sounds. Bernadette Peters. Okay. Think about that one. You're dating yourself, dude. I know that. Rick and Morty, Bloodsucker Edition. That's not bad. Bloodsucker Edition, two of them. That's kind of fun. That's a fun game. We played it in the Allentown. Yeah, it was fun. I'd give it a play. Like the call-outs, gameplay was fair. Gameplay, not so good. The call-outs make the game. Okay.
    46:21
    Ripley's Believe It or Not. Actually, that's a good game. Kind of rare. People, it's a very desirable game these days. So, I'd probably play it. We're coming down the stretch. Rob Zombie's Spook Show. Don't really care. I'm not sure if I've ever played it. Never played it. Don't really give a crap. Rock Lives, a homebrew premiere. I'd give it a shot.
    46:45
    Sea Witch. Sea Witch from Scratch. Oh, that one. That guy wants to actually consider the game a homebrew. That guy is Gary Donovan. Yeah, he wants to make the game a homebrew game. So I'd give it a shot. I'd play it. Shack Attack. Don't care. Sharpshooter.
    47:02
    Sing-Along. No. Skateball, and I've been promising we've got to do that. I have Skateball. I've got two Skateballs. Mine's set up, and I love playing it, and we've talked about it a million times. It's a poor man's fathom.
    47:15
    Okay. Call me what you will. It's not bad. I mean, I have two of them. No, but we have to do a show on one. We do. I have a couple games still. But anyway, Solar City. We like that. It's a Target Alpha 2 player. Right, but we like it. It's okay. Sonic the Hedgehog. That's what's his name. Don't care. Who does that one? That's the homebrew. Yeah, Ryan from Franklin. No, Ryan. No, that's the guy down south. No. From Franklin. No. Franklin. That's not south. That's north of here. Oh, that north. New Hampshire. Oh. Not Massachusetts. I don't like Sonic the Hedgehog, but I'll try it anyway just for the heck of it. He's done a really good job. We'll give it a shot. We'll give him a shot. Well, that's the homebrew. Space Shuttle. Two of them. Three of them. No. Okay. Speak easy. No. No, but we can see if it's got... Flyaway targets. We can see if it's got the... What? The plastic play field. They all do. Oh. That game's always made of that. Okay, then. so that's a yes. Spider-Man, Stern, 2007. Not bad. Collectible. Spy Hunter.
    48:15
    It's okay. No, I don't like it. Star Trek, Bali, and Dead East. Dali. What did I say? Bali, I don't like either one of them really. Next Gen. That's a fun game. Star Wars Virtual. If it's done right. Virtual, no. No virtual. Virtual jump. No, they're going to have one. Nobody wants that. Straight Flush.
    48:34
    Sounds, the Williams. Sounds appropriately named. That game is based on a toilet. Like I said, appropriately named. Street Fighter 2. No. Surf Champ. Yeah, that's a fun game. If you had a Cape Cod house, you put that in your little section there. If you had a beach house. A beach house, beautiful game for that. Right. Swords of Fury. Nah, I don't get it. Tales from the Crypt. Nah, not really. Tales from the Arabian Nights. That's a very pretty game, but not that much fun to play. Target Pool. 1969 Gottlieb. Oh, you know what? That's like Mini Pool. That's not bad. That's not a bad game. Good game to war on. Okay. Taxi. That's not a bad game. Team One. Gottlieb. Yeah, Gottlieb. I have that game. I had that. I sold that. That's actually not a bad game. If it's set on novelty mode, that's a fun game. Here we go. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Don't, really don't care at all about that game. Terminator 2. We did a show on that. That's a fun game. Terminator 3. Rise of the Machines. Not as good, but okay. Adam's Family. Always a good player. Yeah, we, you know, we have not done that as a show. As a family? No, we're Twilight Zone. I have a Twilight Zone. I have two. Well, I'm just saying. I think I have one. I'm guessing a lot of people would probably listen to that. Okay. Maybe. We're a classic pinball show. I'm kind of talking very soft, like somebody of authority. Oh, never mind. Sorry. Hey. Snap out of it. We're a classic pinball show. Lord of the Fly. No, Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Flies. Lord of the Rings. It's not a bad game for Stern, actually. It's one of their good early... How about Bride of Pinbot?
    50:11
    Not a bad game, but the Bride of Pinbot 2.0 is a better game. How many people will play The Shadow? Nobody, because the guy's an asshole. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. I have no strong opinion, otherwise. The Simpsons. Does it have a gun mode?
    50:30
    Go ahead, George. The Simpsons. Which one? Stern and Data East. No, neither one. I don't like either one of them. Why did you ask me? I don't know. Because. The Walking Dead. No. Ugliest Sin. Horrible show. I don't like it. Don't get it. I don't like it. I don't get it. I don't like zombies. The whole zombie thing is so done. I don't like zombies. Because we do have a lot of zombies around these days. How about The Wiggler? No, it's junk. The X-Files. Nah. Junk. Theater of Magic. Not bad, actually. Time Fantasy. Williams, 83. Yeah, it's a fun game. Actually, that's the shroomed out snail. Time Fantasy. Oh, I know. Oh, okay. I know that game. The Magic Mushroom Guy. Total Nuclear Annihilation. Not a bad game. I like that game. I'd play that. Twilight Zone. If done right, it's a good player. Twister. No idea what that is. Sega's 96. Yeah, I don't know. Volcano. Hopes Aren't High. Volcano is a godly from 1981 or 2. Yeah. Willy Wonka no definitely don't care World Poker Tour Royal Rumble pass oh two of those and the last one X-Men Wolverine no it's junk too guess you're not going to be playing too many games when we go I'm a judge there this is going to be a really short list when I'm done editing well we have to go play these games Dave and there's three on the list good perfect makes our job easy George it's going to be fun hey Maureen and I are judges for this thing because the rest of the judges are busy doing their hair let's talk about it how come you didn't ask me well George you need certain qualifications I'm living and I'm breathing and you've got nobody else well that is a qualification George But you know what? I don't want to do it. Well, look at that. See? I don't want to do it. He passed me up already. Well. Well, I figured, you know what? Here's the thing. George is usually too busy. He goes to these shows for maybe two hours, and then he goes home. So I need someone there for a couple days.
    52:49
    Can't see it in two hours. Something's wrong. See? There you go. But see, these guys are bringing in games in every day, so you've got to be on the prick and mark. No, I don't. You don't? Well, I don't. I'm getting paid good money to do this judging. Hey. Oh, wait. No, I'm not. But anyway, I'm just doing it for pinball. I will be there. I will do a... Well, here's the deal. Oh, did you find out what I asked you? What did you ask me, George? If they have the podcast rooms? I did not ask that question. Did you get an answer back from the powers that be? No.
    53:21
    That's troubling. We'll be in the bar room. Oh, darn. We'll be in the bar room again. If you haven't listened to that episode Actually that's a pretty good episode Because not only did it have Seiden Mark Seiden Who just got a job at Jersey Jack It's got Ryan McQuaid That's his name That's the guy's name That's his name from Franklin Mark Seiden He was on that show Mark Seiden just had a child a young boy. He named him Paz.
    54:04
    Oh, boy. Do you get it, George? Yeah, I get it. It's a sinking joke. Really bad. Ernest Borgnine. I'm showing my age. You know what, though? It's a real adventure, though. In Shelley Winters.
    54:17
    Okay, you fat cow. We got to get you five stories up inside the atrium of the boat. There you go. Oh, yeah. Shelley Winters. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy, now you're dating yourself. Yeah, well, that's one of the few movies I have seen.
    54:32
    Anyway, I think you can say goodnight, Dave. Goodnight, Dave. You know what? And like any other thing, you know, if you're going to take a break and you're a dog, what do you do? You take a short pause. Oh, why did that turn red? I don't know. What does red mean? I don't know. Maybe you're near.
    54:57
    Dave! Who? Dave! D-A-V-E! Yeah, Dave! Dave! Right! Dave? Dave's not here. Has your ship not come in? No, I mean literally. Is your pinball manufacturer backordered because they can't get the parts to build your game? Is your distributor without any games either? Have no fear, Dr. Dave is here. Dave has the following pinball games in stock, ready to go. Paragon, Supersonic, Skateball, Fireball 2, Kiss, all those from Bally, from Stern Electronics, Stingray, and Sea Witch. How about a NASCAR Dale Jr.? For more information and an up-to-date list, contact Dave at Dr. Dave's Pinball Restorations. Your ship hasn't sailed, it just hasn't come in.
    56:16
    We'll see you next time.