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Episode 237: INDISC and the IFPA Open

Pinball Profile·podcast_episode·25m 20s·analyzed·Dec 24, 2019
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TL;DR

INDISC 2020 becomes IFPA Open major; discusses tournament growth, new divisions, and media coverage plans.

Summary

Jeff Teols interviews Jim Belsito and Carl D'Angelo, tournament directors of INDISC, about the 2020 event in Banning, California. The event has grown significantly since 2012 and has now been designated an IFPA major championship (IFPA Open), attracting international competitors. New tournament divisions include a Classics Match Play tournament on Thursday with 100 players and separate divisions for seniors (55+) and youth (12 and under).

Key Claims

  • INDISC started in 2012 at Lake Alice bar in Riverside with approximately 52-53 participants

    high confidence · Jim Belsito describes the event's origins, stating 'I think we had like 52, 53 people. It was the first year.'

  • The 2020 INDISC tournament area has expanded to 5,500 square feet by moving video games out of the Museum of Pinball compound

    high confidence · Carl confirms 'Yeah, 5,500 square feet' and Jim notes they've removed video games to create space

  • INDISC 2020 will have at least 16 machines in the main bank, potentially 18

    high confidence · Jim states 'we're trying it's going to be at least 16 we're trying for 18 actually'

  • The Classics Match Play tournament uses a first-to-30-points format with no finals, designed to run all day with ~100 players

    high confidence · Carl explains the format: 'they play until one player reaches 30 points, I believe it is. And then once that player does, it locks the rest of the standings in, and the tournament is over, so there's no finals.'

  • Pre-registration discounts and free entries end December 31st; prices increase and door entries are limited after that date

    high confidence · Jim and Carl confirm that after December 31st, pre-registration benefits end and prices increase at the door

Notable Quotes

  • “I call this John Weeks' compound because it's just multiple buildings all...it's a little bit out in the middle of nowhere in Banning, California, but it's this big compound of multiple buildings.”

    Jim Belsito @ mid-episode — Describes the Museum of Pinball venue's layout and expansion potential

  • “We were really honored for the IFPA to call us and talk to us about this and offer it to us. We had big smiles on our faces beginning of last year for sure.”

    Jim Belsito @ mid-episode — Reflects emotional impact of INDISC being designated an IFPA major championship

  • “I made the trunk where there was only one hit to start a mode...so you actually had a chance to even go to Grand Illusion.”

    Jim Belsito @ mid-episode — Describes specific game modifications made to Theater of Magic to improve tournament playability

  • “I'm just amazed the lengths he'll go through...He used, oh, geez, teed off in Indus one year. And what he did, you know, got leave game where it basically you hold the flipper up after shooting a ramp and it comes to a complete trap. He took the ramps and he bent the end of the ramp up so the ball would just fly off.”

    Carl D'Angelo @ mid-episode — Carl acknowledges Jim's extensive game modification expertise and creativity

  • “These are our version where you're going to get a coin. For example, we have one called First Time Big Time, which is going to be awarded to the best open performance by a first-time player in any Indisc tournament and who's ranked outside of the top 100.”

    Carl D'Angelo @ mid-episode — Describes new challenge coin system to incentivize specific tournament achievements

  • “Aren't you guys a bit old to be partying? Aren't you guys a little too old to be partying?”

    Jim Belsito @ end of episode — Trivia clue for free entry giveaway; relates to a pinball machine game

  • “We're thinking about it's going to be around 20 hours of streaming or so if all the plans work out.”

    Carl D'Angelo — Indicates significant streaming coverage plans via IE Pinball

Entities

Jim BelsitopersonCarl D'AngelopersonJeff TeolspersonINDISCeventIFPA Open ChampionshipeventMuseum of PinballorganizationIE PinballorganizationGene WongpersonEmoto Harneyperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Museum of Pinball compound has unused capacity; multiple buildings available for potential future INDISC expansion if needed

    medium · Jim states 'I don't see that' maximum capacity yet and mentions John Weeks has 'other buildings' available; video game room is only half-cleared so far

  • ?

    community_signal: INDISC implementing new challenge coin system (Capital Quarter Pinball League sponsored) to gamify achievements and incentivize specific tournament behaviors

    high · Carl describes coins like 'First Time Big Time' for best first-timer performance and 'Teleport to Finals' for fewest games played; coins are 2.5-inch metal with INDISC logo

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: INDISC attracts international participation; organizers report 'signs' of European players, Canadian visitors, and attendees from across the United States

    medium · Jim states 'We're seeing a lot of signs that we're getting a lot of people from, you know, European guys and certainly Canada and all over the United States for sure'

  • ?

    community_signal: Tournament organizers seeking sponsors (especially battery suppliers) to support expanded streaming and media infrastructure

    medium · Jeff mentions 'if there are any sponsors out there that want to help out InDisc, certainly contact these fine gentlemen, and especially if you own batteries, because with all that streaming, a lot of batteries'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jim Belsito uses permanent playfield modifications (rail bending, gate deactivation, ramp adjustments) combined with software tweaks (via Soren) to create tournament-viable versions of inherently flawed games

Transcript

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I'm Dr. Cali, styling, profiling, smiling, and smiling while in the sun. The top is down on the black corvette, and the flycalls are sitting on the beach.
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It's time for another Pinball Profile. I'm your host, Jeff Teels. You can find our group on Facebook. We're also on Twitter, at Pinball Profile. Email us, pinballprofile, at gmail.com. Please subscribe on your favorite podcatcher, and check us out on Instagram, at pinballprofile. it is only a few weeks away and i am so excited i missed it last year regretted every second of it not this year going back to cali in this coming up very very soon and to join us today to talk about in this couple of the tournament directors right now jim belcido and carl d'angelo hi guys how are you doing great jeff hey jeff doing well hope you are too everything is great and everything is always fun when you go to California. It was such a good event last year. You expanded it last year. We're going to get into what's going to happen to kick off 2020, part of the Stern Pro Circuit and also the IFPA Open. And listen to the end of the episode, a chance for you to win an open entry with a trivia question. So we've got a lot on the slate here today. But I want to talk about the history of the show. First of all, this has been going on since 2012 in different places and different sizes. It just keeps growing and growing and growing. What was it like back in 2012, Jim? 2012. Well, we started in our local Riverside bar where we've had our pinball league there since, jeez, I think the mid-'90s. Lake Alice in downtown Riverside. I think back then it usually just held like four machines. I think we added, I think we brought in like six to make five for the open, or five for the main and five for the classics. And I think, I mean, Carl could probably remember, I think we had like 52, 53 people. It was the first year. So it started there. And then every year, next second year, it was at Lake Alice again. It grew a little bigger. And we kind of outgrew the location. So we said, well, we've got to find a different spot. So I'm a game operator. And I thought, I have a bowling alley that has this big banquet room in San Dimas, California. And it was called Chaparral Lane. So the third and fourth year, we moved there. And it grew a little bigger. I think that was the first year there, Carl? I think that was when Papa came? Yes. Yeah, stream. They were like the first Indus stream or the streaming of Indus. That was a great year. I had a second year there and then realized we were getting too big of that spot. And so we somehow got in contact with you. We knew some people through Museum of Pinball and they wanted to talk to us about it. And sat down, had some meetings and said, hey, we really want you to have it at our spot. I think the first year we did there, it was during their show, which was Arcade Expo. And so we combined with them for Arcade Expo. and grew a little more. We've been there for four years, and we've moved from the pinball side to the video game side, and now we can move a whole bunch of video games out and have a big area for Indisc and also keep the pinball side pristine for 500 or 600 pinball machines that you can play on free play, which is bigger than most pinball shows. I didn't realize you moved out some of the video games for that area. The area is huge. If you haven't been to Indisc before and you're playing in the tournament area, which includes the classics, includes the women's, and includes the main, it's a big, big area. So you actually move out some of the video games from there. Yes. Every year we seem to move out a few more. We think we took out two or three more roads this year. So we're even bigger than last year. What was it, I think we're like over 5,000 square feet this time? Yeah, 5,500 square feet. So this is half the video game room got moved. So we can make room for a company which we feel is going to be a lot, or the most people we've had joining us for 2020, for sure. I'm not surprised because there are so many different tournaments, including one that was added this year. I know last year you added a second day of Classics. That's not enough. Obviously, there's some Bob Matthews influence here, but there's a Classics Match Play tournament on Thursday, so you've got 100 players in that, at least 100 anyway. Carl, what's going on with the Classics Match Play? Right, so we wanted to add the additional tournament. We had an idea for this. We run a target match play event. It's called at Lake Alice every year called Pinball at the Lake. And it's a fun format. It's kind of a race to see who gets to this target value. So it's a standard match play, 3-2-1-0 scoring. But once you reach a certain point value, you'd be qualified. So we wanted to figure out how to run a single-day match play event but have it last all day and not have finals. So the idea was we're going to have 100 players, and they play until one player reaches 30 points, I believe it is. And then once that player does, it locks the rest of the standings in, and the tournament is over, so there's no finals. But it just allowed us to add that third day of Classics, where it's something a little different than what everyone else has. And then we still kept the Friday Classics and the Saturday Classics, Classics 1 and 2. So it's not like a flip frenzy where there's a race as far as how many games can I get in. Every round will start at the same time, correct? Correct. So they should be about 30 minutes per round. We budgeted for a maximum of 16 rounds, but we expect the target to be reached before round 16. And whenever that first person gets to 30, that's it. That's where the chips fall. You just kind of finish the round and see where the scoring is. I think that's a neat idea. I'm looking forward to it. It's very exciting. It sold out really quickly too, didn't it? It did. Just a few seconds for all 100. We're looking to expand potentially another 20 players. So we may go up to 120. It's all based on not the volume of people. It's based on the ability to get the games, and you'll be using these from the Museum of Pinball, correct? Correct. Again, that's just the one tournament that's been added. You had the Classics 2 added last year, a few years ago, the Women's Tournament, and last year the High Stakes as well, which is coming back. So how many different tournaments are there? There's just the two Classics, the Open, High Stakes and Women's, and then the Target Match Play. But this year we're also combining the High Stakes and Women's Banks, So they're going to be playing on the same games. And then we also have seniors and youth. These are played on the open bank, but we're going to have separate rankings for them. And then at 5 on Saturday we lock those standings in to award the prizes for seniors and youth No finals for those two divisions What are the ages for youth and for seniors Seniors is 55, and youth is 12 and under. What if you're born on February 29th? Technically, you're not quite 12. You're not quite 55. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you.
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Josh Sharpperson
Sorenperson
Lake Aliceorganization
Chaparral Laneorganization
Bob Matthewsperson
Greg Pavarelliperson
Capital Quarter Pinball Leagueorganization
Theater of Magicgame
Teed Offgame
Pinball Profileorganization
Stern Pro Circuitorganization

high · Detailed examples: Theater of Magic (deactivated gate, right rail rework, trunk settings), Teed Off (bent ramp ends); Carl notes this is standard practice for Jim

  • ?

    event_signal: INDISC moved from May (original 2012 date) to January, cited as strategic for Southern California weather and post-New Year timing

    high · Carl notes this shift favorably: 'especially in Southern California where it's a little warmer than, oh, I don't know, places up here in the north. Good choice'

  • ?

    event_signal: INDISC expanding media presence with professional team: Jeff Teols (official podcaster), Gene Wong (photographer), Emoto Harney (videographer); planning ~20 hours of streaming via IE Pinball

    high · Carl explicitly discusses bringing on these professionals; Jim thanks Jeff for inclusion; notes expected streaming volume around 20 hours

  • ?

    event_signal: Significant venue expansion: moved video games to accommodate 5,500 sq ft tournament space; room for 16-18 machines in main bank

    high · Jim and Carl discuss removing video games from Museum of Pinball compound; Jim notes multiple buildings available if further expansion needed

  • ?

    event_signal: New Classics Match Play tournament format added to INDISC; first-to-30-points design with 100 players expected, potentially expanding to 120

    high · Carl details the format extensively; tournament sold out 100 spots in seconds; organizers planning expansion; uses Museum of Pinball's game collection

  • ?

    event_signal: INDISC 2020 officially designated as IFPA Open Championship, a major tournament providing 1.5x WPPR multiplier

    high · Josh Sharp approached organizers in January with proposition to make INDISC an IFPA major; Carl confirms excitement about this designation and its significance for attracting top players

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    market_signal: Pre-registration strategy: discounts and free entries available until December 31st; after that date, limited door availability and price increases incentivize advance planning

    high · Jim and Carl confirm no pre-registration after Dec 31st; prices go up; helps organizers forecast attendance

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jeff Teols designated official podcaster of INDISC 2020; represents formal media partnership and increased professionalization of event coverage

    high · Jeff states 'I personally want to thank you, too, because I was asked and thrilled to do this, to be the, this is what it says here, the official podcaster of InDisc'

    • 6:39
    No, that doesn't count? All right, fine, fine. ID required, apparently, for the youth and seniors. That's fine. This is going to be amazing, again, starting all on January 9th at noon at the Museum of Pinball in Banning, California. Jim, with all these tournaments, you have to have a venue that can hold this. And that's one thing about the old Papa facility. They had the games. The number of people just kept growing and growing and actually outgrew the building. And that was a big building. But this venue, and with moving some of the video games, as you mentioned, they can hold it. But is there a number where you go, okay, this is kind of at maximum capacity? At least right now, I don't see that. I mean, we can – I call this John Weeks' compound because it's just multiple buildings all – yeah, it's a little bit out in the middle of nowhere in Benning, California, but it's this big compound of multiple buildings. He has other businesses there and other places. But he does have a lot of room. And even that video game building, which, you know, we've only – this year we've only removed half the games. So, I mean, if we still think this is going to even keep going, I can see either removing more games or sitting down and chatting with him about he has other buildings. What's the best way to look at this? We're far off from maxing out, I say, for sure. Well, the added attraction this year is that it is now considered a major. The IFPA Open is the Open Championship at Indisc. That's very, very special. So for those people who like Whopper points, majors give you 1.5 times Whoppers, like the European Championship, like Pinberg, and also the IFPA World Championship for the top 64 players. So these are special tournaments, but the nice thing about this one is anybody can come. Carl, how important and how exciting was it to have this become a major? It's very exciting. I received a message from Josh all the way back in January, just after this past year's Indisc with a proposition, basically, to bring Indisc into the fold of majors. He said he always had an idea for an open world championship, and this was the way of getting that idea because he always wanted to run it himself. He's not qualified? He's not qualified. There you go. No. Let's be honest. Like we were just saying with Jim, you just can't put this anywhere. And good on Josh. I know with the absence of Papa since Papa 20 in 2017, that fourth major has kind of not disappeared. It's just on hiatus. I'm sure it will be back someday, but that fourth major was always very exciting and something to look forward to, especially since you guys decided to move this event from the original 2012 event. It used to be in May. January, well done. People like that, especially right after the new year, especially in Southern California where it's a little warmer than, oh, I don't know, places up here in the north. Good choice to do that. So the IFPA Open Championship is going to attract a lot of people. Jim, have you heard any of the visitors that are going to be coming? I assume there are a few Europeans that we might not have seen before. I know a lot of us from Canada are certainly going to make the trek. Oh, absolutely. Just to say once again, we were really honored for the IFPA to call us and talk to us about this and offer it to us. We had big smiles on our faces beginning of last year for sure. We're seeing a lot of signs that we're getting a lot of people from, you know, European guys and certainly Canada and all over the United States for sure. It's looking like it's going to be, you know, it's hard to tell for sure where you're going to be, but it's looking like it's going to be obviously bigger than ever, and we're just going to have an amazing, amazing number of people, and it's just the quality of play. The type of players that are coming is just going to be phenomenal. How many games in the main bank? So we've expanded again this year because I'm crazy. so we're trying it's going to be at least 16 we're trying for 18 actually we can definitely handle the number of people who should be coming which is the line you shouldn't you know i can't imagine the queues will be very long with that many machines uh even with housing the seniors and the kids on this on that same bank i'm in my lab right now trying to uh work on these games that are coming takes a lot of time we start way back and i think i started in april you know trying to figure out which games we're using getting them ready which ones are going to be different advanced software that you know thanks to Soren has done a lot of things with that where he's made some really good stuff to make some games certainly more playable and you know tournament worthy I saw Soren in Denmark and he told me that you had contacted him about a few games so when you talk about your lab there in Southern California he was doing his magic there in Copenhagen and the combined efforts yeah I mean for those that don't know you see a lot of times in tournaments, you'll say, why isn't Theater of Magic in? Well, there's some maybe exploits or some certain things that make it maybe not a great tournament game. That doesn't stop Jim Belcido because I saw it a couple years ago and you made an alteration to that game. Do you want to explain how a game like Theater of Magic with what settings you create make it possible to play in a tournament like Indisc? Sure. So, yeah, obviously, you know, Theater of Magic is a great game. It's a game I've always loved. But tournament-wise, it suffers from left-orbit all day long. You know, keep spelling theater. It's the safest way to, you know, get decent points and not worry about, you know, put the ball in danger. So between Sorn and myself, with his software, he changed some things. You know, multiplayer doesn't advance as fast. And he's got some more software now that he's done. But back when we used it, it was his first try. So between his software and then my little tinkering as far as changing the right return orbit where the ball wouldn't come straight to a flipper where you could just, you know, either live catch it or whatever and just keep shooting the orbit over again. I actually deactivated the gate on the top, the theater gate. so the ball would always stop in the bumpers. And then I kind of just adjusted the right ball guide on the right so the ball wouldn't come down unless you were able to give it a perfect nudge to bump it off and it would hit the top of the sling and go into major chaos. So it kind of kept you away from just wanting to shoot that over and over again. But then I also did, when I'm looking at games, I look at settings and I'm trying to open up the play field as far as there's a lot of settings that people don't either see or they don't think about. And so I try to get you to go different places like hey I make this a little more lucrative So another thing I made was I made the trunk where there was only one hit to start a mode And so because no one shoots in normal play You going to shoot a death trunk three times and hope that you going to light a mode This was just once, and you actually had a chance to even go to Grand Illusion. And I saw a couple people actually got pretty close. So opening up the play field, trying to, you know, so between that software and doing a couple things with the play field, it turned it into a very playable game. I think for the whole weekend, the top score was like 1.6 billion, which three days of hammering a Theater of Magic with most of the top 100 people there, I thought that worked out pretty well. Do you shake your head, Carl, when you see some of these games go, okay, this is a totally different game than what I'm used to with Jim getting his hands on it? I'm just amazed the lengths he'll go through. I mean, that Theater of Magic, he made a permanent modification basically to that right rail, the right return rail, adding a new screw hole to put it where it needed to be. Stuff like that. I look back to, I mean, not talking about Soren's modifications, but Jim's. He used, oh, geez, teed off in Indus one year. And what he did, you know, got leave game where it basically you hold the flipper up after shooting a ramp and it comes to a complete trap. He took the ramps and he bent the end of the ramp up so the ball would just fly off. If you didn't hold up a flipper, you were losing the ball because it was going straight down the middle. But, again, another permanent modification to the game. to make it more suitable for tournament play. Very creative, but I guess with all the years of experience of seeing some of these scoring opportunities and repeatable shots, you certainly know how to find your way around that. So that's what I look forward to, and I'm sure there'll be a couple this year at InDisc as well. Absolutely. Another thing we're going to see at InDisc, and maybe Carl, you can talk about this, new InDisc challenges, and I've seen some coins and some excellent things that you're bringing into this. Do you want to explain these challenges that are new to Indisc this year? So these challenge coins are sponsored by the Capital Quarter Pinball League, and they're things like achievements on video games, that you do a certain goal and you get an achievement. These are our version where you're going to get a coin. For example, we have one called First Time Big Time, which is going to be awarded to the best open performance by a first-time player in any Indisc tournament and who's ranked outside of the top 100. Another one, Teleport to Finals, awarded to the player who qualifies in the open having played the fewest cards. So these are just little incentives to, or little certain goals, just to get people interested and excited. And the coins are these awesome two-and-a-half-inch metal coins that look fantastic with the Indus logo and has the year. So we're hoping these are valued by players that once you see these things, you're going to want to earn one of these. A couple of these awards have jumped out at me. The Deep Pockets Award, I think I've won a few of these in the past, where you basically the awards for the most cards used across all divisions, including voids. I know it's usually between me and Bob Matthews, Greg Pavarelli, just to, you know, what's the term everyone always says to a scorekeeper? Void and recue. Yeah, exactly. Can you explain the Josh Sharp World Championship Award?
    15:51
    Whose idea was this, Jim? Was this Damien's or was this, it was Damien's, right? I think it was yours. No, I don't believe it was mine. Oh, passing the buck.
    16:01
    Awarded the player with the best finish, but who doesn't win in the Open, who's previously finished exactly second, and never won in an IFP-endorsed major championship. I love it. That's awesome. You've got a bunch. Yeah, you can check this all out, by the way, at indisc.com. You'll find all the tournament information, the schedule, location. You can contact. You can get your tickets. And by the way, I should point out, you want to get your tickets before the new year. Jim, what happens on December 31st or at least after that? Then there's no more pre-registration. Carl can amplify this too. It's where you pay for the weekend and you actually get more. You get actual entries into any division you land. But at the door, those won't really be available. There's nothing available, right, Carl? No matter what, even if you buy the 3A, I believe. Right, right. So after the 31st, there's no more free entries. And I believe the price will also go up slightly from the museum. What, do you got to buy them from scalpers? What's going on here? What are you talking about? Buy them at the door still. I get you. You know what? This actually helps you. You know, the reason tournaments like Indisc do this is it actually helps the organizers kind of get a sense of the numbers that are going to be coming to, and they reward you with these discounted prices or, in this case, free plays or whatever other goodies you can get. So you can help Indisc. If you know where you're going, you probably do by December 31st, definitely get them. Go on the website, indisc.com, and get your tickets now. you'll be doing yourself a favor and helping the organizers. And the one package deal for when you're buying entries, it's $100 for two main, two classics, and high stakes. That doesn't go away. You can do that throughout the whole event, I believe. Right. Okay. I personally want to thank you, too, because I was asked and thrilled to do this, to be the, this is what it says here, the official podcaster of InDisc. That means a lot to me. Thank you very much. But you've got really good people here. You've got Gene Wong, who is an expert when it comes to photography with what he does with Orange. And Emoto Harney, you want to talk about one of the best videographers there is and most positive people you'll find in pinball. You've got some good people there. Two out of three anyway. All three. What are you talking about?
    18:08
    But that's neat that you did that. So we really wanted to up our presence, up our media presence. We found going in years past that we don't have the photos or the video assets that we'd like to use to promote the event and to use on the live stream and so on. So we really wanted to bring in highly qualified people for these roles, such as yourself. So we're hoping to work with you and have you emcee a lot on the event, on the streams. We have Gene, too, so that we have some professional photos from the event. And he's also going to have those available for players as well. if a you know post event and then in moto we wanted some extra presence for the live stream and for interviews with players so we asked her to come on board and i'm really hoping to use her to add some additional camera angles add interviews along with you during finals and more dynamics to the broadcast make it more lively So it not just overhead camera view of the play field all the time so that we have more action. I want to focus on the players more for the broadcast and bring more personality into it. And I'm hoping with this team that that will help. I think you've got some good people there that are going to help you. I think Komodo is the best. I love what she's done. and you saw a lot of the recordings she did at Texas Pinball Festival with Marco Specialties. You see her at other events. We both saw her recently at Expo, and I saw her at Houston too. So that's going to be great. And, of course, I mean, those lasting pictures that Jean does, they're spectacular. It's funny, when Jean does a tournament, it's neat to see on Facebook how many people change their profile pictures to something that Jean took because it's just amazing. In fact, even the picture I used on your website, one of my favorite pictures ever, and that's from Gene taking it years ago in Buffalo. He is amazing. He's been taking pictures at Indus for several years now. It's just amazing what he does. He is good. And another thing, too, here's a little treat, I guess, for coming on Pinball Profile, for listening to Pinball Profile. If you go on Tilt Forums, you can find out the games that are going to be in the banks because there's great trivia questions. I know Bob Matthews puts a lot into it. Of course, you do, too, Jim and Carl. Well, we've got something special here on Pinball Profile. We're going to do an exclusive trivia question. You can't find it anywhere else other than listening to this podcast. I guess we're going to give away an open entry. Is that correct, Carl? That is correct. Okay, so you've got a trivia question. I won't guess at it because I suck at these trivia things, but if you want to throw that out there, people can guess. First of all, Carl, where can they send their entries to guess? Send your entries to iepinball at gmail.com with the subject line Pinball Profile Trivia. I'll post that on Facebook too so people have the link and you just click it. Once you're listening to this, get your trigger finger ready there. This is almost like an F5 thing. You know, when Pinberg goes up or when Indus Classics Match Play comes up, you want to get in there right away. All right, Jim, hit us with this trivia question. We're doing mine or yours, Carl? Let's do yours. Okay, here we go.
    21:12
    Trivia for Pinball Profile is, aren't you guys a bit old to be partying? Aren't you guys a little too old to be partying? That's the trivia clue? That is the clue. One more time. Aren't you guys a bit too old to be partying? I have no idea. Sorry for the pause. I'm just trying to think what the heck this could be. Okay, is it a game I would know? No more clues, Jeff. Oh, come on. No more clues. That's it. You've seen it before. Oh, okay. All right, thanks, Jimmy. I'll give you one more clue. I played it in Pinnberg. Now someone's got to look at your record, Jim, at Pinnberg. No. Yeah, someone's got to look. Oh, come on. Someone's got to look at all 20 games you played. I would totally do that. I didn't say this, Pinberg.
    21:55
    But it probably was if you were called. I don't know. I don't think I did, actually. I don't know. I can't remember. Maybe I did. I can't remember.
    22:04
    That was a long time ago. I'm getting old. And it's only the first correct answer that gets the entry. So, Carl, once you get the entry, can you post on our Facebook page? Somebody got it. Congratulations, so-and-so. The game is Jim's third Pinberg game.
    22:19
    Yeah, I'll post once the correct answer comes through. Okay. Well, this will be interesting. Well, the fact that I have no idea what the trivia clue means nothing because I'm going to be excited playing this game, all the games, all the tournaments, everything that is InDisc, and the IFPA Open Championship for the first time ever here in Banning, California. January 9th, it all begins. Go to InDisc.com. Gentlemen, thank you very much for my small inclusion in this. it's been wonderful to see this event grow and grow and grow and i know it's going to be fantastic thank you jeff for all you for all you do and what you're going to do for us this time i think it's going to be it's going to be awesome yeah we're thrilled to have you on board jeff we really appreciate uh what you do your show here and uh what you're going to do on site for us uh greatly appreciate it and we can't wait to to have this tournament it's going to be insane and carl of course we're going to be streaming on ie pinball right correct hopefully all the finals. That's the plan. Except for the target match play, because that's going to be run inside the pinball hall, which we don't have access for the livestream equipment. But everything else. You know, when I wasn't at the event last year, I was in Cuba, which I was just cursing that I had to be there versus Indisc, one of the greatest tournaments, one I look forward to. But I got to watch a lot of it on IE Pinball, so I know for those that unfortunately can't be there, First of all, get there. But if you can't, watch IE Pinball. Boy, there's so much content there. And thank you very much for that, Carl. Of course, of course. We're thinking about it's going to be around 20 hours of streaming or so if all the plans work out. You know, with all this extra coverage and what you've got Gene and Emoto doing too, if there are any sponsors out there that want to help out InDisc, certainly contact these fine gentlemen, and especially if you own batteries, because with all that streaming, a lot of batteries. A lot of batteries. Oh, yeah. It reminds me I have to go buy somewhere for the new equipment I've picked up this year for this. You guys are the best. I'm looking forward to it. In this, coming up January 9th, Banning, California at the Museum of Pinball. Hope you can be there. Jim, Carl, thank you very much for coming on Pinball Profile today. Thank you, Jeff. This has been your Pinball Profile. You can find our group on Facebook. We're also on Twitter at Pinball Profile. Email us pinballprofile at gmail.com. Please subscribe on your favorite podcatcher and check us out on Instagram at pinballprofile. And get in that trivia question. Jim, one more time. What is it? The trivia clue? Aren't you guys a bit old to be partying? Aren't you guys a little too old to be partying? I think you guys talk about yourselves.
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    Carl, where do they email? IEPinball at gmail.com. Go, go, go. See you at Indus. I'm Jeff Teoles. Thank you.