Eric's going to win. That's a good point. Yeah, of course he is. Let's move on. I'm an appetizer. Uh, you got pins. You got a lot of like flare on. Is this like Did you work at uh Shann Benigans? I can't think. I'm trying to make a Yeah, I'm sure you know what reference I'm trying to make. I'm [ __ ] it up. Help me out here. Benigans. Well, this one's my Malort one from when we got our sponsorship. That's a Malor pin. This is my Chicago one cuz like you have to represent. Um, this one is I got this one from Amy Crash who made a a mini hobby uh homebrew pinball of me that is at Logan Arcade that you can check out. It's called Chad the Balls. I'm really proud of it. Uh, and this is my favorite one. This is my Stern Army one when I got inducted into the Stern Army. Nice. Which is down here. Is it Do you think they have like a Stern militia for people that just like aren't ready yet? I'm in I'm in the I'm in the the uh Stern Junior Varsity. Uh what's it like the like it's like um like the Coast Guard. Um I don't know if they like if they put you on active duty, but I think I technically am now because I have this. Does the Second Amendment mean a lot to you? Well, I am nervous about it. What with hunting laws? Uh casual G. What did I turn? Am I high? Yes, you are high. Uh I need 15 pieces of flare. That's true. At Chachkis, that's what it was. I can't believe Casual GC is saying, "What did I tune into?" I We need to do another introduction here. This is [ __ ] Chad the Bird. Why am I pointing this way? Yeah. Where are you at? What? What? It depends on what you're looking at. It's really from your point of view. That's true. I'm trying to think of what it is when somebody joins. It's not It's not junior varsity. It's like not the reserves. What is it when you're in high school and you join the military um and you go into college? It's got a name, but that's what I am. It's called bad idea. Not a great idea. It's a It's good that we don't know what it is. ROC. Thank you, Johnny. Thank you. Yeah, I'm a part of their ROC. Nice. Uh, that's good that Stern's really trying to manifest a strength in numbers. More of a Russian tactic than uh it's a it's a quantity over quality currently, I guess. Well, a lot of the parts come from China. Anyway, going though. I mean, you know what's interesting? When I went to American Pinball, since we were We can absolutely [ __ ] on everybody, anytime, all the time. But when I went to American Pinball, they do make their own uh their own stuff in house. Like they have a ton of 3D printers. I thought that was pretty dope. That is cool. Also, uh, American Pinball did a bunch of people dirty. You talked about or I'm sorry, uh, Barryo's barbecue challenge. The rules on that game are actually Steve Bowen did the rule set for that and it's awesome. Steve Bton, Donnie, super nice guy, very well educated in pinball. He's announced plenty of tournaments. I mean, he was up for quite a while and then was doing Pinberg stuff. He's the best. Amazing. So, but American Pinball, why did you do them all dirty? You got all these talented people. What the [ __ ] That's a sad That's a sad day. It's a sad story. It's a It's a fun game. The meat cooking freaks me out. It is odd. It looks like it should smell good. Yeah, Tommy Lazarus pinball. You're right. Burrio is fun, not going to lie. But it is weird to be a bird and watch them basting my relatives whilst I'm playing. But it is a fun one. Do you think that there's a cow someplace that is an excellent pinball player that has similar feelings? I would love to think so. If I can exist, then so can a pinball playing cow. If you're out there, get in here. True. Yeah, we do. Meta Knight man, good to see you, bud. Of course. Cross it over with Spookies. Yeah, man. Spooky is another gamer uh hub that I love and I want to hang out with those guys, but they're not in Chicago. Um I'm a big fan of their Ultra Man table. That Ultram Man is pretty fun. It's very different. It's just Halloween, but it is still, you know, it's still fun. Um yeah, I would love to get Bug on the stream or anybody that is part of the spooky crew. Uh put in a good word. I don't know uh who to even begin on that. But uh have you played Evil Dead? It's amazing. It is amazing. It's also one of the best toppers in the business. That's absolutely true. I personally go. It's good. I think toppers are a bit of an unnecessary extremity. Most of it is because I'm bitter cuz I don't have the ceiling space in most of the pinball areas that I have. Uh but yeah, it's a great game. No, I think I think they're cresting cuz like I wasn't the biggest fan of Texas Chainsaw. I thought it was a little too busy. I don't mean in terms of rules. I just mean in terms of board. I got a little confused about what I was looking at. The ramps, it's loopy loopy dupy, man. It's like crazy. Super loops. Um, but they just they they found their stride with Evil Dead cuz I loved their Scooby-Doo, but and like they did the Rick and Morty one, right? They did Total Annihilation. Rick and Morty. Well, so Total Annihilation was some of their games were like they were already designed and they kind of purchased the license to it and then manufactured it. But that's a number of company. American Pinball did that with Valhalla and I'm sure chat go ham on I think Alien for Pinball Brothers was like that as well. Um but yeah, regardless they it's part of their library. TNA is an amazing tournament game. It's so fast playing and makes you it keeps the tournament flowing, man, which is good. Everybody wants to play pinball 14 hours straight. Silver is Pul Fiction. Picture is Chicago Gaming. It's actually it's kind of its own weird little mutant. Um it's Petro, right? and Mark Richie did that one. Uh, but they're from opposite ends of the the Chicago world. It's a great game though. It is super fun. Um, played Evil Dead at OneUp in Colorado. Oh, I want to go there so bad. I haven't gotten to check that place out yet. Galloping Ghost has the other Predator. Galloping Ghost, man. We're working on trying to stream out of there one of these days. If you've never been to Gallop and Ghost, it's the largest arcade in the world, 40 minutes outside of Chicago. Um, they have over 900. How do you maintain that many games? I feel like every time every time Pinball Museum in Nevada gets brought up, it's just like, oh my god. Like the games never work. I've been there like three times and I just like it is such a negative pinball experience for people that may have never played a pinball machine. Like it's true. It's not for people to play pinball. It's for you to go and see what's working and then maybe you'll get to play something you've never played before. That's why I go there every time I'm in Vegas. Um, but yeah, the Galloping Ghost, like they do a great job of maintaining their games to a certain degree, but after you have like 900 plus cabinets in your business, you're going to you're going to jump over a few of them. So, Kale actually just talked about this on their podcast about having too many games where they can't do it. They have two techs that they maintain to make sure the games are there. I I feel like it is the responsibility. I've used the term responsibility before. being freaked out about it. But like if you have a ton of games, you got to have a tech to fix them. Like pay a person. If you're going to have a bunch of games, pay a tech to make sure they work for people. You're also in Chicago. Everyone here knows how to fix a [ __ ] game. Like that's how intense it is here. Like everybody has some kind of homebrew going. So you can just call somebody be like, "Hey, Trevor, what are you doing right now? You know, it's [ __ ] House of House of the Dead's not working." A dude, I got some patches in my apartment. Hang on one sec. Uh I don't know. I don't know how that cuz like you go to Galloping Ghost. First of all, you should always go to Galpy. It's such a cool place. But there's like games on games like some games just don't work. So, it's kind of like when you see like a TV on top of a TV, which I just think is hilarious cuz they're like, "Oh [ __ ] this isn't working." Well, we'll just park, you know, uh, you know, uh, like Time Crisis right here and we'll put another House of the Dead on top of it. It's fine. They'll never know the difference. Their room is pretty sweet. Yeah, fat stacks. Uh but like uh their pinball room is pretty great. They do have some great games there. They have all the pinbods. They've got um God, that's a game. Oh my god, they made it what? Three times. Jack, what is it? Jackbot, Pinbot, Revenge of Pinbot. No, what's the There's another one, isn't there? Um it's Pinbot, Bride of Pinbot, and Son of Pinbot, which is like like also kind of like called Pinbot 3 or some [ __ ] They do need to get all the Stern games in a line. That is true. Um they have that at Logan. They have like a whole stern wall and they also have that at the new one here in Chicago Electric which is a lot of fun if you Logan has a lot of classics though too, right? I I feel like it's great that when an arcade does a diversity Yeah. Logan's my mecca. Like there's a reason I go there um all the time because uh before I started streaming there is if you want to get real cuz like a lot of the the arcades here in Chicago are like bars with an arcade theme. Logan is a arcade that has a bar in it. So, it's like we are arcade first over there. Um, but they are a Stern bar. So, you're gonna see a lot of Stern games there. But, if you want to see what the newest ones, always get that. They don't have a lot of spooky. I don't think they have any spooky right now or um any uh barrels of fire. It's a bummer they don't have Labyrinth. I'm still mad about that. I feel like a lot of that is because some of the spooky games are inconsistent when on location that they have some sort of malfunction which makes it difficult for operators to have them going. There's no shade on Spooky. It's just they work better as home use games just because they're not getting the mileage that that a game, you know, is. Our our Evil Dead was broken until like immediately. I guess the drop targets weren't resetting and stuff, but uh I don't know. Their games have come a long way. It's true. Well, and there, you know, the the thing is like Stern has so many old dogs from the day that work there from like the original like Midway guys that are there and have had a lot of experience. So, and then you get like Jersey Jack, which is Steve Richie, who's like I said, he's like Steve Steven Spielberg. They have him now. And like having all of those guys working on your games, you're going to get some really cool innovations. But if you're new and you're scrappy, you don't have that like legacy going on around you. So, I can understand how a lot of these new guys are like having an is the But like Jack Danger, let's talk about Jack for a second, man. Yeah, man. He's local. Stern took a risk and brought him in and started making some innovations on games. You know, you talk about Gary Stern's on record for saying that he doesn't want to do wide bodies and he likes the Italian flipper layout and finally there's a game that doesn't do that. And uh the game flow is amazing, but the code just it's taken forever. If I bought an uncanny X-Men, I would be super frustrated that there wasn't code out now at this point after [ __ ] year. I wish Jack was here. He lives out in the BB, so I never get to hang out with him enough, but he does come through Logan sometimes and we do get really technical about it. Um, but he'd much rather just get wasted and talk about movies. Um, but which is fine. I'm sure that the last thing you do when you go out of work is talk about pinball more. But it's like it's weird because like uh when Foo Fighters came out, there was so many different like things that he did flow-wise that I was like, I need to see more of this. And like it's much in the way that like when Godzilla first came out where I'm like, oh, this is a different kind of board. I like that. Um, and he brought that with X-Men. I thought X-Men wasn't getting nearly enough love. I love that game. I love that the uh the mutated third uh like ramp area on the left side. I think that's really smart cuz he's like the king of misdirection when it comes to like loopy ball path. You can see I mean I think uh Elwin clearly took inspiration of that cuz that one like uh it's above I'm looking over here cuz I got a Kong over here. Uh that one shot that's like right next to the biplane ramp kind of does a Jack Danger kind of loop-de-loop. Yeah. Mhm. Well, it's because they're learning that like the innovation in pinball is going to be flow. Um the only other thing that I've seen that I think is the future is that P3 stuff where it's like the board itself can be digital while the rest of it is all mechanical. Really? You think the future is multimmorphic style? Like hybridizing a playfield into the screen into the playfield? the new the new Portal game is pretty dope to look at and I'm like you're still getting a mechanical vibe. You're not messing with it and then the floor is like a little bit of haptics and that's it. Like you can't like digital pinball is not going to happen and it's because it's just not pinball. But if you do like Oh no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We support digital pin. This is a safe space for digital pinball. Space would be an amazing digital pinball game. That's true. Well, it is a digital. I mean I mean like if they if they turn it into a real pin. No, no. Hear me out. I think that if you can like I have a buddy who makes homebrew digitals at home and I think they're really fun and that's great for parties, but if we're doing like the real deal, I can I just I just don't see this. I don't see that. I don't see that being the future of pinball. But like the future I think is going to be like a meld is what I But at the same token, you could say that the legacy of what pinball is is the like physical box and stuff, right? So, now putting an LCD screen into the play field, like you could argue that that's actually defeating the purpose of of pinball in its own right. I mean, putting an LCD screen in it was kind of sacrilege. I still prefer games with DMDs. I don't think that most companies with the exception of Jersey Jack have really brought it when it comes to like motion graphics and they're getting like Jersey Jack is so pretty. And yes, I agree. Nuclear Black, it is the the thing that's keeping Pinball from reaching the masses is too expensive. Um, but they just did that that new thing at Costco. Jack Danger worked on it. The JF portable one homerew is actually really [ __ ] dope. And I thought they nailed it. Um, I was surprised because like a lot of those like like affordable ones aren't exactly like giving you the joy. It's like it's fun to have, but it's not necessarily fun to play. But what they're doing with Costco right now is really fun. I think they're doing something special. It's still mechanical and it's mildly affordable. Have you heard about the Alice uh Wonderland Amusements game that they're they're coming out with? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I don't think that's going to do well at all. And I don't weird IP. It's a weird IP. And this isn't because I don't want them to be successful. It's just that when people are expecting pinball, like the pinball experience, right? and then you remove the quality of that down to a affordable cost, you're going to get a frustrating pinball experience and people are going to be like, "This isn't as fun as pinball." And there's no way to avoid that. I don't think like I don't think there's anything wrong with having pinball just be its thing and then you have to go to a place to do it. I think that that's fun. Like it's just like having like a really kick-ass movie theater. Like I think going to a movie theater is dope, especially if like you haven't been in a while. And like playing pinball in the real is super great. But I get it. Home home home brerews are going to be different. Home experiences are going to be different. Home consoles are going to be different. Playing [ __ ] Killer Instinct on an NS an SNES is different than playing in the arcade. I get it. But I don't think that's the future. I think if we're talking like the actual industry, I think right now what I've been seeing with these like multimorphic boards, I think might it has potential to be cool, but like I think it's going to take a main pinball manufacturer to adopt that before it happens. I don't know because like I don't know what else you can do to pinball that you haven't already done to bring it into the quote unquote future. I'm like I don't know. It's kind of perfect as it is. Like what more do you need? And you kind of mess with it. Then what? Like holograms? We tried that. It's not as cool as you think. I mean Stern had a bunch of those cool like marquee scrolling signs and the like whole white star in the dark era of Stern. We could bring that back. Let's make make mares great again. You know what I mean? Like just scroll it, right? Yeah. Please, please confuse people and give several seizures. It's fine. Uh what was the other one? There was cuz like I'm playing um cuz Antarium, which by the way, that's in Shamberg. It's a dope place. Um we did a stream out of there not too long. That's where they had the umpa women's, I believe. Right. Yes, they had the finals there. Um, they have a really kick-ass pinball room with some like classics there, like like vintage 70s, couple solid states. That's pretty sweet. But they do have a lot of Jersey Jack and I got to play Elton John, which might be my favorite game of the year so far or last year. I think it was last year, right? Yeah, it's super fun. I do like everything I've played so far. Like I think D and D is a lot of fun. It's not a fun tournament game, but it's a fun like like single player experience. Okay. Okay. Shots fired apparently. I enjoy that. That game's That game's got a history on my stream. So, does it uh my D and D is in the other room as a giant light and it's currently not even it doesn't even have a it doesn't even have a motherboard in it right now cuz it's keeping my King Kong alive. Uh yeah, I think the code updates are going to take it someplace. But anyways, let's move on from D and D. We're going to keep it positive. What? Uh, yeah. Well, I'm sure everybody that watches my channel is so sick of me here talking about D and D. So, uh, I'm amazed at your uh, uh, knowledge of pinball in general, especially as a bird that's only been around for 19 years or I forget how old you are. Uh, from the classics that you've played, let's talk classics. What are what are like your three favorite classic games? Anything that's like before LCD screens? Oh, well, uh, Radical, that's a that's a definite fave. Um, they have that at Logan. I I crushed that. I had a high score for a little while. Another game that has awesome flow and weird ball paths. Feels like Jack Danger made that. Steve Richie, man. Steve Richie from the day. Uh, Master of Flow, as he is known. Um, and then, uh, you know what's a sleeper? Shack. What? The Shack. That's a great game. Um, and Johnny Pneumonic is another one. Terrible film. Great game. Yeah. No, good shout out. Johnny Pneumonic is awesome. that and Demo Man are like two of the like under underdogs of that appreciates. Also, okay, if we're doing ones that are like super old school that don't even have like moving graphics, Robocop, if you haven't slammed the Robocop 82 83, I think I can't remember. That's a Data East one. Uh, check that one out. It's a lot of fun and it's got great haptics even for like a like an 80s game or like early 90s game. Speaking speaking of Robocop, did you see the uh fan-made remake where they did like uh every single person got a scene to do from it? So, it's like a collection of scenes. Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't want to see uh Fatal Fatal Frame, which is a company in Los Angeles, did one of the sections where he like stops this like assault in an alleyway and it's like it's like 2 minutes straight of exploding genitals. Uh I highly recommend it. Yeah, it's good stuff. Uh, I believe it is on YouTube. It's not It's not Steve Richie. It's Dan Lang Lang or Langa. Yeah, we need we need Johnny Crap on here to get the pronunciation correct again. I not only did I horribly mess up his pronunciation, but uh he pronounced turquoise different. And uh and now I believe I'm a believer. It's it's turquoise. It's turquoise. Uh Turquoa. I'm trying to think what else. I know that Steve Richie is um he's got um all of the Dark Knight uh the Black Knight games um and he's got a what is the one that he has that everybody freaks out about the Steve Richie? What's that big one that I'm trying to think of that's back in the 70s? Um hang on. I'm trying to remember. Give me a minute. Everybody chill out. Highspeed one, right? Isn't he maybe Highspeed? Is that the one I'm thinking of? Space Shuttle 2. F14 Tomcat. He did. Taxi. That's the one I'm thinking of is Taxi. [ __ ] Taxi. Taxi is a banger. Taxi's got that like double ramp scenario like Fishtails does. Yeah. Oh, Fish Tales. If only they had Fish Tales. I love that game. That's so much fun. Uh I played it at uh they have a really good one at a game terminal in Tennessee. They have like a pretty one. That's the one that is like off of a pinball dealership. So, they have a really great pinball room. It's huge. Um, and they have like a pristine fish tales. Like it looks like it just came out of the box. Isn't that so satisfying when you like roll up to like an on location place and they just have some game that's in such perfect condition. You're like, "How the hell did this even happen?" Uh, we had they did a a a widebody wall at onilt for our finals like whatever a couple months ago. And they had they had a big they had a big game. They had a hot dog in and they had a cheetah. And all of them had new old stock original playfields and they looked brand new like they had just shipped off the line and that was like wow good stuff. Um yeah, you're right. Nuclear Black Mark Rich it's Mark Richie his brother did Taxi but Steve Richie did the call outs for that. So that's why I keep thinking it's him. But but also that's a Python Angelo game which is a whole other documentary that should be made. Python Angelo. Do you know about Python Angelo? I don't. What's the What's the cliffotes with the Chad notes? Python Angelo does he's an artist. He did a lot of art, a lot of backlash art. He did the art for Bad Cats. Like that's his most famous, I think. But he did the art for um Oh [ __ ] Uh Taxi for sure cuz he does he does like a lot of like hidden like Easter eggs. He did Pinball Circus. He did Fish Tales. He did Cyclone, Pinbot. Like he is a I'm guessing he did Whirlwind too cuz that's similar art. I think he did I don't remember off the top of my head. I know he did highspeed um but he did do um he has the um the distinct honor of Zingy Bingy. There it is. Thank you. I knew somebody in the chat would get it. Zingy Bingy is a his Python Angela's um prototype that never got made. I'll let you figure out why. It was a porn themed pinball game and it was the last thing he did before he passed away. Uh and it was one of the stories of like he came in, brought it out and the entire room was like no. And he's like, "But wait, hear me out." And they were like, "Hold on, hold on. Uh, if you ever want to go on a journey, look up Zingy Bingy. That's a wild time." Man, that's so sad to have passed away and have that be your legacy. That's almost like having like a barbecue game come out and like then dying and have that be your legacy, you know? Shots fired. Um, but yeah. Yeah, look up Python Angelo. This is a wild time. The guy that owns Logan Arcade, uh, Zespie knew him back in the day and he's got crazy stories about him. He's like like a rockstar. Uh like just just crazy dude that had all these like wild ideas. But yeah, a lot of famous old pinball. That's like that's Python Angelo, man. I feel like pinball wouldn't exist without a bunch of like crazy individuals that were willing to like push push it to make it happen. I mean, pinball shouldn't exist at all. It's literally this strange physical game that you do not need whatsoever. It's cumbersome. It's incredibly expensive. There's just zero. It makes no sense. It's true to be clear. He did not pass away until 2014. However, his last game was Zingy Bingy. Um, well, the last one that he did that came out was Flipper Football. Penis Flippers. Wow. Imagine if you had if you put banana flippers on that, you know, he launched it in like 94, I think, cuz Pinball Circus was his last like really big one. At least I think that's true. But I'm sure someone will correct me. So, I have an important question that I forgot to ask last time on stream. Um, and it's kind of a I know that space is limited in your bird home, but uh I kind of postulate out of these three games, you know, which one would you like to add to your collection? Which one? What do you mean? First one is Raven. If you could have any of these games, what game would I want to have in my collection? Correct. Yeah. So, Raven. He did not do Circus Volater, but he is. I mean, that's a great game. Sorry. Go ahead. It's okay. Second game is also Raven. Raven and Raven. Yeah. And the third one's also Raven.