Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised. The Pinball Network is online. Launching, The Pinball Show. Ooh, on episode 66 of The Pinball Show, Dennis and Zach have a run-in with the police. We also discuss Halloween in July, sausage fingers. Two titles, one layout. Stern teasing internet connectivity in September? Tanya leading another cornerstone title in the future. The pinball hall of, for f*** sake, pinball market trends and more. But first, ladies and gentlemen, please rise for our national anthem. Hold the hand Chico. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Two cars coming. Yeah, two cars coming two different ways. Bag up, bag up. Bag up, Terry. Put it in reverse, Ter! Put it in reverse! Oh, Lord! Oh, Lord! Oh, Jesus! What you doing, Ter? Ter, what you doing? Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Hey everybody, it's us again, Dennis Creasel and Zach Minney with the Pinball Show. We're in episode 66. This is vacation mode for me. That doesn't make sense. This is supposed to be the episode, We Came Home. Well, you came home, but I came to Gulf Shores, Alabama. Alabama? Ever been to Alabama? Nope. Roll Tide. Roll Tide, indeed. We're down here. The family is out at the beach right now. My wife, I can almost feel her rolling her eyes at this moment. But, hey, this show has to go on. I can't skip a week. There's too much news. So much news. The pinballs, the news, it's flowing. It's a constant flow here. almost like the hurricane that's coming in off the coast that's making it rain all week. Whoa, that sounds like a fun beach adventure. It's like the ocean is your giant in-ground pool that you always wanted with rain. Barely holding itself up, that is for sure. Drove down here yesterday, set up shop here in my makeshift studio and forgot some of my equipment, so that's why this audio is so shitty. listeners i apologize for that but it's going to make do now is the fam all wearing matching swimsuits they're not they're not they are cute as buttons though yes they are uh today i will be sporting you guys heard it at the top of the show there i'll be sporting my gifted back it up terry t-shirt all day and night today i have been seeing those t-shirts all over facebook and i'm assuming it's because I was on that episode where you brought it up last year, and so somehow Facebook knows, because it knows everything. It does. And it's trying to get me to buy all these t-shirts, but I have far too many t-shirts to continue to acquire more. Oh, so yeah, this show is dedicated to Terry. I hope this year he was able to back it up. You said he got a new wheelchair, though, so he should be okay. He did, but, you know, things happen. Things happen, because like if I was part of his family, I would rig up his wheelchair to mess up again. That puts him in danger. That would be a serious, that could result in serious prosecutorial backlash. It was like a fountain. He's fine. It's a second degree burn. It's just snakes. It's okay. No, they're not snakes. You read their box wrong. It's glowworms. Now he's on fire. They're dog turds. That's what they always look like. That's what they smell like. Man, I still love the Terry thing. I've still watched it at least 20 times this week alone, and it is the highlight for me. It's the highlight of 4th of July. You're all the way out in Alabama, ready to enjoy the beach, and your highlight is an ancient YouTube video. I told Nicole in our drive down here, because we go through Tennessee, and I said, Hey, Han, why don't we veer off, go right to Memphis, and hang out with Terry and the bunch for 4th of July? She thought I was joking. I've been looking around for contact information. I'll have to get Terry on the show at some point. Why do you keep wanting to deliver a pinball machine to Bill when you could be delivering one to Terry? Oh, boy, that's a good idea. I mean, that is ripe for a homebrew theme right there, Back It Up, Terry. Yeah, watching those videos, I just find a lot of life's purpose. Watching Terry trying to back it up and giving that little smile on his wheel out. and I was thinking about Purpose a lot this week and I heard a little tidbit. I don't remember if it was from your EGP podcast. You find a lot of Purpose, Dennis, in watching something on television that kind of astonished me. I would have never guessed you loving this program as much as you sounded like you did and that is Live PD. Oh, I like to watch Drunk Stops. Drunk Stops, is that different than Live PD? Well, it's probably on there, but I think those sort of shows will show you all sorts of body cam things of arrests and high-speed chases. But no, it's the drunk stop specifically that I think is interesting. Most police work is fairly boring, and in a way, drunk stops are boring too. It's so amusing to watch people try and act like they aren't impaired. Maneuverated people just trying to pull it off. Well, just – I mean they could be stoned or – some of those though are – people are ODing and they have to get the narco out, which is not as interesting. They see all the things in the movies, and that was the part that was interesting to me. So they're so focused on walking that straight line or following the little flashlight with their eyes that they're not listening to any of the instructions. And so they're just screwing up left and right, but they think they're doing a really good job because they were able to kind of walk straight. Did we ever talk about that? I failed a sobriety test. No, no, we did not. Probably because you know I would judge you. Yeah, I was pulled over in college and I guess I was driving too nice a car and was pulled over in college with my wife and my buddies. And I was given that test and I failed it not because I was drinking because I wasn't. But I think my anxiety, I was so scared and nervous. I don't know what happened, but he took the pen and he said, whatever you do, don't turn your head. Just follow the pen with your eyes. Yep. And he jerked the pen over and damned if my head just didn't go. You didn't listen to the directions. Sounds impaired to me. I like how you blamed that it was your car was too nice. All right. So first of all, the Del Sol is never too nice. the reason i say that is because as they were pulling everything out of my vehicle searching for uh i don't lord gave them consent no they had no consent zero consent they didn't care um they just started tearing into my car they were egging me on and provoking me they were like oh what did your mommy and daddy buy this car i'm not sure if these are actual oh wow yes you have a bleak police story this legit happened i just thought it was acceptable and yeah i was having like a panic attack with the shakes and everything it was horrible um did i ever tell you the time i got uh pulled over because they thought i was a drug mule no what the hell you now i yeah uh i mean that's my assumption now i uh wow this is gonna apologies to everyone who likes to complain about podcasts that take 10 minutes to get into live no this is a true story too uh so i and uh and a friend of mine from college we had gone down to oklahoma to uh go geese hunting my my grandfather lived down there and my great uncle had a like 2 000 acres of farmland and so it was it was geese season and um so i'm driving back up for uh i'm still in oklahoma getting i think i was near i can't remember if i was going through oklahoma city or tulsa i was just outside the city though driving north to get back to kansas now i was driving uh an 88 camaro hatchback nice and in the back of the hatchback is my cooler where i have my goose meat from the geese that i thought you just iced down all of their heads severed goose heads no no no no no i had already i had already uh gutted them and i'd already dressed them and and taking the meat out and i actually pull the entire skin off so i don't bother okay all right okay yeah so i open them up and then i cut out the meat pieces that i want so anyway but this isn't about how you eat geese so so anyway so i have that and and i and i'm going along and i'm speeding in the middle of median on the on the interstate is is a patrol vehicle and so they they clock me i'm sure and they don't want to get your don't want to have your geese go bad oh no i wasn't i wasn't speeding by much so that's part of the story so i get pulled over and patrolman he walks up and he's got a partner and my my passenger he was asleep in in the car so i i've pulled over and so they've got one guy one officer is on that side of the vehicle and the other is on mine you know i've pulled over i've turned off the vehicle i have the window rolled down it's about 11 or 11 38 and you know it's before noon and he goes i pulled you over because you were going 74 in a 70. Oh, wow. Get out of the car. Get out of the car? Wow, okay. He pulled me. So now my hands are shaking, Zach, because I have never been pulled from a vehicle before. And I'm like, why does he need me out of the car? It's not dark out. You know, I give him my information, and he starts talking to me. And then I believe he realized that, because the window was down, my passenger could hear all of my answers. So he has me go back to their vehicle. while the other officer starts to question him. I'm assuming to see if our stories sync up. Yep, same thing here. So he's walking me back, and he tells me to get in his vehicle. Yep, I had to do the same. And so I go to get in the back of the vehicle, and he goes, you can't get in the back. You have to get in the front. Yep, I got in the front as well. And I get in the front, and he was in an SUV. It's a canine unit. So the dog is in the back. That's why I can't be in the back. So I get in there, and he really slowly is filling out a – I see he's got a warning out. He's filling out a warning for speeding four miles an hour over, and he's asking me about – and he said it, marijuana. That was how he said it. And he's calling me boy during a – Boy, you got that marijuana? Well, when I got out my driver's license, he sees my hands are shaking. He goes, why are your hands shaking, boy? And I told him, well, because I'm nervous. And he said, well, that's a good reason. And so he fills out the warning super slow, and he gives it to me, and he goes, okay, I'm letting you go with a warning. Don't speed. I go. I get back in the vehicle, buckle up, start the car, and then it just hits me, and I go, I just got profiled. They saw the out-of-state plates and the cooler and the hatchback and thought I was running pot. And he got me in the vehicle so the dog could smell me. Oh, yeah. Because the dog didn't try and rip me apart or get all excited. So this is why you like these shows. So, well, I like to watch the stops that don't involve me. So, anyway, I was really mad after it, too. I was like, you can't profile me. Oh, and I was unshaven. I was wearing flannel. I mean, I probably did look like a marijuana runner. Gritty creasel. Four miles an hour. Oh, my God. What do marijuana runners look like? I guess me. I learned it from watching you, Zach. I learned it from watching you. Oh, man. So anyway, that's my story. That's my story. So my reason I was nervous is I knew I had all of my federal geese stuff, like my my duck stamps and everything. But I wasn't sure I was in full compliance with Oklahoma law. It's unregulated goose meat. We're taking this back to the station. I don't know what I don't know what their rules are. Well, I thought you were going to say I was really scared because I had a big ass weed blunt in my glove. No, no, I don't. I don't do that stuff. Yeah. Well, interestingly enough, yeah, they ripped through my car. They dumped all the stuff out of my backpack. They made fun of you? They called you short? They made fun of me in front of my girlfriend, Nicole. They made fun of your hairline? At that point, it wasn't thinning, thank you. And, yeah, and you know the funny thing is, they should have found something. Nice job, Popo. Search better. Hi and welcome to this week SHIT Update with Dr John on the Pinball Show So the cat is out of the bag and the new spooky game is Halloween which is based on the 1978 film by John Carpenter For those unfamiliar with the movie it was an incredibly cheap movie which took two weeks to write the script, 20 days to shoot. The writer John Carpenter also composed and played the score and the mask worn by Mike Myers the killer was actually a James T Kirk stretched out two dollar toy store mask so the game itself is in three editions as we know the collectors the bloodsuckers and the standard with the higher end model the collectors coming in at under 9 000 unless you want to add the butter cab and that'll get you to just under the 10 000 mark orders will probably be starting either by the time you hear this or sometime this week so for those who are in the spooky fang club keep your eyes on socials and emails that's it for this week back to the central position hi this is ken rodberg with your Jersey Jack Update. Over the past week, Jersey Jack Pinball has opened up its new website for purchasing all kinds of Jersey Jack Pinball gear. The website is pinballwizard.com, which, to be honest, I was a little bit surprised wasn't taken already, but that's where you can go to pick up things like logo t-shirts, of course, along with a lot of other Guns N' Roses merchandise, including both the Skeletons and Monsters versions of the giant banners, posters, hats, and patches. And you can get the previously mentioned $199 Guns N' Roses topper direct from Jersey Jack. Looks like they'll be adding more stuff as they go along, as they have headers for rotating featured legendary t-shirts, as well as factory finds, which are discounted limited inventory items. We'll have to see what other Jersey Jack merchandise gets added over the next few months. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg. Always great hearing from those correspondents. All two of them. Where's Craig? Craig is on vacation again. It must be nice. We don't get this many vacations in the U.S. What the hell is this all about? It may be Canada Day, eh? Upcoming hit pinball machine. I've been told. Not too far away from Canada is Spooky Pinball, though. That's true. Wisconsin Unite. Yeah. Bentonians up there are anticipating and awaiting the newest pinball machine from Spooky Pinball, which was announced this last week. It was announced as Halloween. The 1978 film. That's correct. 1978. Hot damn. 1978 film. Horror film introducing Michael Myers into the world. Now, you're a fan of this film. Yeah, it's one of my favorite classic horror movies. Are you a John Carpenter fan in general? Yeah, I'd say so. Though I always think it's amusing because he likes to write a lot of his own music and it's all super basic. Oh, well. but i mean it's real catchy i mean that one and uh also the escape from new york theme i think with him he's got some good films i think at times he's overrated but this is definitely yeah it's a good film yeah he he really worked on really you know low budget style um in an era where it caught a lot of attention from what he was able to accomplish with that and now you know some of it is oh it's uh you know it could be a little like i still remember what is it assault on precinct 13 and uh you know continuity things weren't always really sorry again a firearm thing i remember they like just glued silencers on everything they had silencers on revolvers that wouldn't work and stuff and just like and i remember there was a scene where a guy was shooting and he was out of bullets and it was in his revolver and he just goes like dang silencers like he didn't know he was out of like the gun wouldn't buck or anything so but somehow with The silencer, that meant even the shooter didn't know the gun was out of ammo. They're magic, those silencers. But that's not – we aren't doing assault on Precinct 13. You're very firearms-y today. Talking about a lot of guns. Are you an assassin? No. Dennis Creasel. We didn't grow up with guns in the house. They were in your cars. No. But one side of my family were hunting guides in Alaska. That's a whole other story. I know. We've heard of all these wilderness people in the creasel. So I have done things with fire. I haven't fired a gun in years. Michael Myers didn't need a gun. No. He liked to use his mitts or blades or both. I would rather be killed by a knife from Michael Myers than his. He just looks like he has these big sausage fingers. It scared the hell out of me. it's just i just just imagine this he's choking people you just hear him yelling jimmy dean jimmy dean i'd be like those fingers they're so punchy yeah take me out with a knife quickly michael please spooky pinball teased a couple pictures of the game this last week and if you guys are listening to this they've talked about uh revealing a lot if not all today but we didn't want to wait we wanted to talk about it so yeah we may be a little bit behind here but they included a zoomed in picture of the play field a tombstone did you see this picture dennis i did uh it's an iconic tombstone from the film judith myers uh his sister daughter yeah and it's it's a nice sneak peek because it gives you a mold, but it also gives you peripheral information that you can kind of look at as well. Listener, what we're seeing is it looks to be under this tombstone likely. I don't know if that's an entrance of an orbit. I believe it would be, or it's a stand-up target under there. And then to the left of that, there's another pathway. And then to the left of that, a scoop. It looks like there's a shiny blade of a kitchen knife. I don't know what Michael Myers uses. It's not a machete, is it? His tools change throughout the different films, but in the movie, I believe it's a butcher knife. Oh, it's a butcher knife? It looked like a cooking knife. No, a carving knife, I guess. A pumpkin carving knife. Right, right, because a butcher's knife is the big rectangle one, isn't it? That's right. All right, then I'm wrong about that. He doesn't use that. Yeah, I think it's a carving knife. So we see that it looks like it's horizontal, laid up and sitting up along that shooter lane. And it is of metal because it's showing reflections from that tombstone and the rest of the playfield. We see a little bit of the plastic art. One of the big things we see, Dennis, is what looks to be metal gates on that upper playfield, probably representing that psychiatric facility. Yeah, I can't think of anything else in the film that had any fencing like that. Somebody said on Pinside that the school, shots of the school. Oh, there is a chain link fence around the school for the playground, I believe. Yeah, so I don't know. We see some art blades here. It looks like a dark blue nighttime woods area. Any thoughts to what this could be? It looks like a regular shooter lane. I think it's going to flow into an orbit if I had to guess but these two lanes in this pick they're not both orbits it's just too zoomed in there's so many things one could go up into a saucer or kick out of some sort and then just come right back there are too many scenarios any speculation I would have would be meaningless do you think it's a good idea that they go psychiatric facility on the upper play field? I do because as we said before there's i mean what set pieces do you are you going to use yeah i again it's uh that that or the school both are neither have a lot of screen time sure it's more the story i mean you might as well put it i mean because especially depending on the modes are going one of the things i mean if you were for example playing as michael myers getting out of the facility is obviously uh the early part of the film so i gotta say this is not going to be a popular opinion. I know that people have been raving from inside saying the art is fantastic. Wait until you check out the art here by Jason Jason Edmiston. He's done a lot of horror film art in the past, but he's really done a lot of work on Halloween and it does look phenomenal, his portfolio of pieces. These plastics? I hope I'm wrong, but Dennis, the plastics under this tombstone frankly look like shit. But I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something. Yeah, I am. And, you know, I don't get hung up on art as much in terms of what would make me want or not want the game. Yeah, it's not as sharp as what I think we've gotten used to lately. It's a little less fine line work and a little more Crayola crayon. But I didn't think it was bad. Halloween art. Dennis Creasel, ladies and gentlemen. I like the back glass. the back glass looks phenomenal that's that's really sharp i do like the back glass spookies often had really good back like that was rob zombie had one of the best back glasses in my opinion that was a good back glass uh rick and morty was a bit simplistic but still a good back glass tna looked good as well alice cooper for my money alice cooper's the best that's a good one it's a good one now zorno zorno i thought he was going to be doing art but dominoes very pizza alike oh yeah oh yeah absolutely the noid the noid yeah the noid we got a little sneak peek of that we also if you go into the facebook comment section you see bug taking pictures of the game itself and we get a little sneak peek of the head art with mike myers looking peering through the hedges or the grass them taking pictures of bug taking pictures is very inception especially with mike watching yes i wonder if his friends call him mike or did they go formally Michael. Mikey. Mikey likes to kill, doesn't him? Hey, look, Mikey likes it. Like pumpkin pie. You just see him eating cereal with sausage fingers. He just shrugs. Does Michael Myers make any sound? I know that Jason from Friday the 13th kind of makes some... But Michael Michael doesn't make any sound, does he? I'm trying to remember if you ever even hear him breathing. I don't. He doesn't. He's not really. No. Basically, no. He's quiet. I think the big difference that I always, because I don't really associate a lot of sounds with Jason either, was I think that Jason is willing to move quickly and Michael Myers, I think, always walks. Does he ever run? I don't think so. we did see the back of the game showing some gold legs yeah that's interesting gold yeah it's weird why not orange i know why not pumpkin orange orange is hard to pull off though well so is powder-coated gold i mean have we not learned from wwe and guardians of the galaxy and beatles gold and hard to powder coat a metallic like a gold we'll see so the artwork on the the back glass looks stunning hopefully that is replicated on the play field we got some pricing too standards bloodsuckers and a new edition dennis collector's edition oh now they're a three-tier model as well wow welcome to the club all the stars are aligning now the prices i've got to applaud them on their prices over spooky pinball the standards coming in at 69.95 that's lower than a stern premium and they are built last. The Bloodsuckers will come in at $79.95 and the Collector's Edition, a Collector's Edition pinball machine for $89.95 and they're going to be built first. But I don't know what the differences are other than the build order. So the difference is really quickly, not to bore our listeners here, but the Standard Edition requires $1,000 initial payment. There's no add-ons and they are built last. That's just your base, base game. You've jumped to the Bloodsuckers Edition for an extra $1,000. You have to put down $1,500. You get clear plastic protectors, interior graphics, shaker and a knocker installed, interactive RGB speaker kit, standard powder-coated speaker grill, target decals, coin box with lid, powder-coated bill acceptor door, so you get the powder-coated door, custom metallic flake powder coat, blood sucker addition plaque, and flipper button protective armor. So lollipop reels. So pretty much loaded. Yeah, that is quite a bit for $1,000 more. And then for an additional $1,000 to make it the collector's edition, you get them built first. The plastic protectors now are colored. You get the interior graphics, the shaker, the knocker, interactive speaker kit, custom powder-coated speaker grill, target decals all the same, powder-coated bill acceptor, everything the same. But then they change it. It says custom vein powder coat. I call that like a hammered powder coat. You see that on the Hobbit. You see that on some of the spooky models as well. You get custom laser cut side rails, which I really like. I really like the cut instead of just a regular lollipop. And you get to collector's edition number. You get your plaque. Here's the big one though. You get a custom interactive licensed topper. Here's where that topper comes in. You get the custom sculpted shooter rod as well and an additional licensed decorative toy Is it worth the extra thousand Absolutely They said on the video Dennis that this is their best topper to date. Easily. Yeah, but you would say that wouldn't be hard. Wouldn't be hard to beat. I'll tell you that much. Their best topper to date is the fucking TNA beacon. Beep. True story. But if it's better than the... I like the beacon. So if it's better than the beacon... Everyone likes the beacons. That's why it's usually a safe choice. Yeah. A little grindy, but I like the effect. So if you're getting a topper, a shooter rod, an additional, like a playfield decorative toy, and you're getting, it sounds like better powder coat coloring. And then the etched laser edge side rails. I think that alone, because that sounds like a difference here. That alone is worth that extra thousand dollars, especially because they didn't talk about being able to sell or purchase the topper as an accessory later on. yeah i think you're putting too much weight on the topper i don't i see the thousand dollar jump from standard to bloodsuckers i struggle to do the jump to collectors but well 2020 cold and it's laughing at you well i'm not saying it won't sell out or anything i'm just for me i wouldn't because part of that value is that number and i don't care but why not just spend the extra thousand dollars and sell the damn topper for two thousand later uh because that's predatory i don't know it doesn't seem like worth my time now on this you do have to spend two thousand dollars initially as a payment so that's noteworthy and then the blood suckers and the collector's editions both have the option of adding butter cabinet for an additional thousand dollars now some people are saying now we've got five models yeah i mean it's still this i yeah i get it i can see why they would say that i don't know when orders are open they might be open now but uh It looks like production-wise, they're already starting the production on these. The first 50 are going to go to special people to get them on location per Charlie and Bug. Then 50 are going to Spooky Direct customers. Then 50 are going to be dispersed to distributors and vice versa, just alternating between 50 here, 50 there, 50 here, 50 there. Any interest here, Dennis? Until I see the layout, no. But, I mean, I like the theme. I don't buy off of theme Alien is one of my most favorite films but that's not a good game you want me to rehash the Ash quotes? is that what you want me to do? no, I'm just saying I'm interested in learning more because I do like Halloween I think it was probably a pretty good pick from the suite of horror movies it's iconic a lot of people respect it if they don't love it but until I see like their aspects like the multiple upper play field stuff i i have concerns like it sounds like it's going to be a clunk design to me because i just don't see how you can have flow with all of what they're talking about and i'm more of a flow player so but that's just you know that's just my personal preference very true and then there was uh i i don't know where this came i don't know if luke from spooky said this on a forum but they're talking about releasing an additional game with the same layout so two titles with this layout and the other one was said to be more very niche to what Charlie likes like almost like a small tiny little run what killer clowns I don't know if it would be more family friendly just so you can balance out those sales if it's more niche then I would assume not if you had something more family friendly wouldn't that be the main title yeah i see i'm so confused by all of this i didn't see in the uh in the forums and stuff specifically them saying this but that's that's the word now i'm gonna i'm gonna go with killer clowns from outer space far more niche definitely not more family friendly and there'd be lower demand for it but it's such an obscure i mean it's a cult classic but it's not there's no licensing power behind it so they could probably secure it i just don't understand this move really So, again, if I don't, other than it's a, like, just something that they could do so they did it. Like, this layout's great, and you could use it. I could definitely see the idea of taking something like Halloween and then saying, and we're also going to do this far more popular license with the same great layout. And, again, this may be in retrospect. You guys might already know the answers to this. But why – you'd almost have to release the other title then as well so the people that are interested in Halloween know that they're not getting another title. You know what I mean? It's weird. It's all weird. And some of the stuff that I would say would make the most sense, like, oh, okay, you want to do Halloween. Halloween is your niche thing. Horror is niche. It just is. There's often been – again, this is anecdotal. I haven't seen data on it. but that horror games historically have not sold as well as other types of pinball machines. And that's why they don't make, they didn't even back in the 90s make them very much. That's why it was a rare treat to see something like Nightmare on Elm Street. So, but the thing is, Spooky only has so much production capability. They can't, like, do a huge run of Halloween and an even huger run of Harry Potter with the layout. Yeah. One move that I did like that Spooky did, But they came out and said, look, we're going to have a set number of games that we're going to build Halloween-wise, right? Right. Now, we're not going to come out and say there's only 100 collector's edition, 250 collector's edition. We're leaving that to you guys that are ordering this. You guys will have the opportunity to order. And whatever you order until we get to this thousand, that's how many collector's editions there'll be. That's how many Bloodsuckers. That's how many standard editions. I like that move. You don't think that that sort of undermines the value of having the limited collector unit count? I don't, because when you have such a small company building such a small run of games in general, because they're not going to cap, they're going to go 1,000 and they're going to go 1,500. The majority of them will be collector's edition, in my opinion. And that's still a pretty low number. And I don't think this company is going for collectability as much as it could. from a business standpoint, they might be able, they could so much easier make $9,000 per game. So much if they limit them, but it doesn't seem like they're interested in that. So I think they're still going with a ho-hum, small family, close to the community kind of thing. Okay. And I mean, that does make sense. Yeah. Because I mean, Mandalorian 750, that's how many LEs they had there. and they'll build thousands of pros and premiums but well i mean if i mean does spooky does also have the there will be a total number of games period a set number so the blend in a way does probably mean less for them because the whole thing is limited i don't know why they're making the standard edition to be honest uh they might they might still worry that there are people that like maybe they would struggle to sell at these other price points if they didn't have an option for yeah i mean what happened with rick and morty was like no one wanted to wait so practically everyone did bloodsuckers so they weren't stuck at the definite end of the line sure and now i'm wondering the same thing's going to happen again with oh well we got to go collectors just because we don't want to have to wait 18 months before they start bloodsuckers which shows you that if they made only 100 collectors editions build them first at 15 to 20 000 they'd all still sell out day one probably i think they still worry based off of some of their other games like i think they still have an internal concern that rick and morty was a flash in the pan and not every license is going to do that for them i don't think this is going to sell as quick as rick and morty sure but well i i agree i think part of it's going to be that they're making more of them so there's probably a perception that it's not going to fly you know at a thousand units it's not going to fly the same as 750 and there's probably honestly less enthusiasm for halloween than rick and morty i believe so i believe so it'll be interesting to see what this week brings us with spooky pinball but we know that there are some really fun upcoming things we're gonna have to wait longer than a week though for stern pinball to announce because george gomez and taniel kleiss were interviewed on just another pinball podcast with joel engelberth this past week they took a deep dive into the development of Deadpool Pinball and some really great in-depth discussion about the early concepts, design code, reception of said game. But the big news here, George Gomez dropping the biggest nugget on just another pinball podcast exclusively on the Pinball Network. George Gomez comes out, Chief Creative Officer Stern Pinball. He was asked about the possibility of Deadpool getting these extra modes. Are we going to get like what Elwynn codes the wizard mode, these timed things? What Dwight Sullivan has been doing with these side missions that you can start them up as a separate minigame. Are we going to be getting that for Deadpool? George Gomez laughs, and he proceeds to talk about teaming up with Taino again for a project. But this project is bigger than any pinball title. They're collaborating right now on a project coming out in September that will impact a lot of games. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe that he has just dropped the gauntlet of Internet connectivity finally coming to Stern Games in September. Oh. We wondered, does that mean just games going forward? Does that mean just score a bit like in a leaderboard? what does that mean? But the way they talked about this, Dennis, it feels like they're going back to probably spike games, all the LCD spike games. Wow. That would be pretty significant, especially if it's more than just leaderboard integration. Yeah, it just, it just, there was something, something that felt like that. So there you have it. I believe in September you're going to get, and we got another game potentially coming around then. Maybe we get the first released game from Stern Pinball with built-in internet connectivity, which opens up the universe of internet connectivity for Stern games. I don't know. That'd be my guess. The SPU, the Stern Pinball universe. Oh. They also talked about what they're doing in the future. And believe it or not, Taino is leading another cornerstone game in the future. That's going to excite a lot of people. Mm-hmm. George Gomez said, yeah, once our collaboration here with this big project is done, then Taino's, he's already working on another Cornerstone game. But unfortunately, George is not as lucky. He is not leading design on a game anytime soon. That does not surprise me. It saddens you, though, doesn't it? I mean, I think he's doing a pretty good job leading all of the teams. And I don't know, you know, it would be a huge gamble to have someone else do that and send him back to being a designer. So I think it's probably for the best for fans of Stern Games that George stay where he's at. Yeah. He's more impactful where he is than he would be as a designer. I tend to agree now that I think about it. You put it like that. Yeah, I agree. We know that he stepped in to do to make that T-Rex do something in Jurassic Park. So if he's going to step in and impart his wisdom, his design knowledge, and his expertise and genius on all kinds of games, I'd rather him sprinkled in everywhere than focusing just on one title. I don't know if you listened to the podcast yet, Dennis and listener, but did you hear Joel Engelberth ask about his signature? Yes, that was a ridiculous question that I can't believe Joel bothered with. I'm so glad he asked that because I've been wondering and reasons in the future you'll know. But it was very helpful hearing how that came about, his whole signature, how it's changed over time. I've noticed there's more accents or less accents. He dots some things twice at the end of a stroke, sometimes once. I just didn't know if there was any rhyme or reason. And I think my homie Gomi appreciated being asked. As did all the forgers. Please try to have somebody forge that signature. it's all in the strokes baby it's all in the strokes different strokes for different folks i'm sorry but there is more drama in vegas always bet on black i'm not a gambler thinking it's not my stroke baby are you a gambler no not really i mean i took a chance doing this show but there really was no winning so i guess it's a joke loss yeah it was there it was a nice You're the joke. That's what makes it so funny. Well, I wasn't going that far, but your initial joke was better. The Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas. They opened. Yeah, everybody's going to take pictures by the big old sign. Huge sign. You can see it from the chopper tours. Have you seen my sign? My sign is huge. Sign so big, like your vagina. I'm the best. I'm the largest. my sausage fingers are super tasty have you seen my nice fingers got nothing on my fingers finger girth absolutely fantastic my fingers got stamina what doesn't have stamina i suppose is the surveyor that went out there and the lot yeah do you have any info here because i know that Basically, the surveyor went out, they built this damn building, and now the adjacent or the neighboring hotel is saying, hey, there's some footage of your building on our property. Yeah, I don't know a whole lot more. My understanding is approximately eight feet of the building is spilled over onto, I believe it's the Dream Hotel's property. So my understanding is the surveyor made a mistake in plotting what land was actually possessed by the Pinball Hall of Fame. And, of course, the building's already up now. So word is everyone's securing their lawyers. My understanding is surveyors are supposed to carry insurance to help cover mistakes But obviously this is a very significant mistake and i don know yet what the solution will be i sure the ideal solution would be to make an arrangement with the dream hotel to allow to acquire that eight feet of land oh my god so that it's you know just move the property line but uh and coming to a price on that but in theory as the landowner who's been wronged i imagine the dream hotel has a lot of you know if they want the building off of their land they can probably force it so my understanding is that things go stand a really lot like years are and you didn't catch that a property line was violated the landowner actually loses the ability to do certain things but obviously they've caught it very early here so but not early enough significant that's significant that's a lot of land it is and i mean who who knows exactly what why where that got botched or why and and maybe we'll never really You know, and in some ways, I guess I don't really care. I guess all I care about is this poor, you know, this whole saga with the pandemic. And then there was the GoFundMe and because there were the concerns about getting the building up and ready and everything moved over in time. And now it's like it's there. There's this huge announcement when the county commissioners declares it a special pinball day. And then, wow, eight feet over. We're not talking about Flagstaff, Arizona, desert land. This is the Vegas Strip. this is eight foot of biggest trip and that's where i think the big you know it's like how much is an eight foot strip of land worth plus i'm not clear on if this was land that the dream hotel was planning to develop so if this is interfering with something they wanted to do i you know ouch what about easements i thought there was easement allotment and all that this is what easements are for right yeah uh i mean that's my understanding is but every place has its own different rules and I want to think someone had noted that there was like maybe it's a public right away easement on the other side so it's not as simple as saying oh no the building should have gone eight foot the other way I don't think there is eight feet the other way so but this is going off of a few pin side posts and a few things I've seen on social media so it's just it's what a mess welcome to pinball we can't have nice things can't even have a sign it's eight feet why aren't you even building close to the eight feet? You shouldn't even be close to there. Developing story here at the pinball show, I suppose, is we'll get a correspondent on one of the... Get Craig Bobby on this. Come on, Craig. Where you at, shooting geese out in the great north? Do they have geese up north, Canadian geese? I don't know, Zach. Does Canada have Canadian geese? If they would have just listened to me and not had the row and perimeter of arcade games, made the building smaller to accommodate... pinball? They wouldn't have to mess with this. What happens when you have sit-down drivers? Eight foot worth. Is it time for pinball market trends? Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. I believe so. I believe so. I'm just hearing the beach behind me. No. On the 4th, never. Dennis is correct, listeners. It is that time of the podcast when we give you a vacation edition of Pinball Market Trends. Trending out this week is, I don't know how, but it's American Pinball's Houdini. Oh, this market has got to stop. This is what happens. This is what happens, listener, when you have squeezed all of the juice out of the stern lemon, out of the JJP. Well, JJP's squeezing their own juice. They can't make the lemon. Dave's fast enough. But there's nothing to buy. So people have resorted to just buying American pinball games on the secondary market. Now, I will preface this. Secondary market, they're not really jumping in value. But this last week, the last two weeks, I've sold like three Houdinis. What? Deluxe editions. Oh, boy. People are grabbing Houdinis. And this is full price Houdinis. this is what happens this is where we're at Dennis a market that is so engorged with sausage fingers that people are grabbing Houdini's well you know what I always say about the market on Houdini it's a tight one but it is findable so true also trending out this week is Stern Pinball because did you not just hear that interview with just another pinball podcast with George Gomez I did hear we all heard come on I'm feeling good about this one I'm feeling good I'm feeling pretty pretty good I'm hoping there's a reason to try to collect them all like the Pokemon that would be weird the trophies you and I nailed it episodes back those trophies from Avengers we're going to see them again special reasons we're going to see them again you think we'll get that damn adapter that's what I was just thinking what about the direct capture a direct capture adapter. Then maybe they'll be built into this little dongle that you have to... Because you're going to have to buy a dongle, I would think, for older games if they do to internet connectivity on older games. I think someone by now would have told us that they found the Wi-Fi card in the back of the box. Hey, there's a Wi-Fi in here! You know what I'm worried about, Dennis? I'm worried that Stern Pinball is smart and they're going to sell their business. What do you mean? Do you anticipate or see assessing this company to be worth more than it is today than it ever was or that it's ever going to be? Well, it's hard to say ever going to be. Yeah, but if you're... How much was it worth back in the data east days? I mean, I don't know. I'm talking about just contemporary Stern. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, yes, that's – I'm sure, but it's like sell it to who? They've already got a mix of investors involved. They're not – I mean, unless – this would have to be really, really pioneering for this. It's like there's nothing – no, this is going to sound really mean, and I don't mean it this way, but there's nothing really innovative about this field like pinball. Okay. That's what Deep Root was trying to do, I thought, with like the pinball and all that. It seemed like everything about Deep Root to me seemed like we're trying to come up with a whole bunch of tech and then either sell the rights to the tech or sell our company as like the patent holders to all this tech. That's what they always felt like to me. And Stern just adding yet another feature to a successful – like I think the owners, investors in Stern Pinball are probably just really happy with how well it's all going. Why not just keep your investment and earn your dividends? Yeah. It's not – this isn't a penny stock that you pump up. It's not GameStop. We're not diamond handing this and then flipping it just on a capital gains. I just don't think it grows enough for that. You don't think so? I there are a lot better investments if you want to just like get shares and then sell shares higher than doing it in pinball no one's close to them right now so get out spend the rest of the day at the beach you know what speaking of I I'm going out on the beach trending down this week uh fucking uh the LA Clippers and Atlanta Hawks for choking and not being able to do it uh now that my sons are in the championship with the deer up in Milwaukee I think I'm going to go to a game didn't you want to go to a championship nba game with me i actually don't really care for basketball okay which is one unfortunate because i went to ku which is a huge basketball school and syracuse yeah syracuse was too what the hell and lacrosse a sport i've never understood yeah so deals of the week go find your own fucking deals deals the what the fuck there's plenty of them out there i'm going swimming i'm going to the beach screw all of this pinball market trends. Wait for the hotel staff to come and evict you out of that room. Get out of this bungalow. You don't belong here. Indiana trash. Take you and your Jimmy Dean fingers and get out of here. Dirty. All right, closing down this shit show. If people want to reach out to us, they can do so at the pinball network at gmail.com. Dennis, where can people reach you at? They can always email eclecticgamerspodcast at gmail.com. And if you've got a sausage finger, reach out with that. Sometimes I would like to die by knife over hands, Michael Myers. And we also have an open Discord now, I believe. The pinball community. I think that's a thing. Wasn't George saying that's a thing now? Yeah, I joined it. It has a lot of channels. I was overwhelmed. I was a little bit trending down on the number of channels. I muted like 12 of them well guys I only want to see the little the notice that there's new messages on channels that I'll read so I go in and I mute the ones that aren't on topics that I care about I tend to do that too like if I've joined another discord chat there's too many if there's too many updates and I'm seeing a bold too much I'm like you know what no well that's what the mute's for so that's what I started to go through and be like okay I don't do anything in this and this and this mute mute mute yeah it's a mutiny so we have an open discord the pinball community i don't know whose that was was that don't panic flip george fish i think so i think george i think that's george's it seems like george sets up all the discords he's like he set up every discord in the world he was so nice what a nice feller there i saw he bought a dialed in or so he said it was all covered in a tarp i i almost said what if you get home and you realize it was a trick and it's wwe all along oh that should be fun watching him play some dialed because he brings so much innovation to the streaming community. We'll have to see what he does with the JJP game. I do too. I wish I had brought Gild in home, but I didn't. Really? You could have called CoinGiver. We could have get you something. Flip N Out Pinball, this week's product showcase is everything. Buy, buy, buy. Or actually, pre-order, pre-order, pre-order, to be honest with you. Yeah. Give us a call. See what we got. 812-457-9711. Or email me at ZachZACH at Flipp, the letter N, outpinball.com. I'm trying to think if there's anything juicy at flipping out pinball. Oh, we did have a recent stream. Joel Engelbert did a stream flipping out. He had Dwight on again in chat explaining play-by-play on all those rules. Learning a lot. Joel's like the expert on that rule set at this point in time. And if you don't like that medium of rule sets, I think Stern just distributed their written version of the rule set on the Mandalorian. But go ahead and order yourself a Mandalorian. Why not? straight down the middle of video series about pinball and rubber bands and whatnot. When's the rubber band episode? I don't know. We had a new video this week. I saw. I haven't seen it yet, though. I was going to prioritize it, but it didn't say rubber bands. Yeah, it's this or that. Which is my favorite. Yeah. It's a special edition of this or that entitled Who Wore It Best? where we go through and we go through the whole kit and caboodle of pros, premiums, alleys, collectors, and we'll tell you on each title which is the best one to get. I think that's handy. That's nice. Because do you really need the premium Turtles? All you need is the Pro. It doesn't really add that much on the premium LE. So are you just talking, does it focus on art packages? Are you like factoring in the features, the toys? We're factoring mostly the bang for your buck or features found on the upper models if you really need them or not to enjoy and experience the whole game. okay that sounds pretty interesting yeah so go check that out and also follow like and subscribe there as well tpn last week we had man we had a lineup as like sweeps here triple dream pinball podcast episode three where they had their extra ball as ray day raymond davidson the number two ray you're gonna have to get back up to that number one spot who does number two work for Oh, shout out to the meteorologist, Florida man himself. Just another pinball podcast, episode 30, with that George Gomez and Tango Fleiss interview. And final round pinball podcast, episode 37, graphic, with special guest training up himself, Tom Graff. The model. Yes, and he was on a YouTube video that I thoroughly enjoyed. I forgot the name of that. It was really good. Really good. TPM this week. We'll probably get a free play pinball podcast if I had to guess. and I don't know if we'll get the triple drain. Puppet Pals, I think they're... Imminent. They must be imminent. I think they're gone. No. Yeah, I think they... Jessie J. They died on their quest. Jessie J, I think she's just enjoying life sitting at the beach. Yeah, that's what it sounds like from Ryan. He's like, yeah, we'll put some stuff out eventually, but we're not locked down anymore, so we can do what we want. Riding Emu around, playing croquet, kind of like on Alice in Wonderland. What did they ride around and play croquet? Flamingos, was it? Flamingos, that's what it was. All right, for Dennis Creasel, I'm Vacation Zach. There has got to be room in this country for a good quality sausage. That's a quote from Jimmy Dean himself. And always practice safe pinball. And when police officers, God bless them, love their hard work. I'm a supporter of police officers, but man, some of them can be assholes and rip up your car and say, money, daddy, buy this and not find weed in your glove compartment. So long, everybody. Bang up, bang up, bang up, chair. When it reverts, chair. When it reverts. Oh, Lord, Lord, please. Oh, Lord. Oh, please. What you doing, chair? What you doing? What you doing? What you doing? What you doing? ah bagel bagel