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Episode 62: Hanging out with Steve and Parnell from Flippin and Mashing!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jun 25, 2020
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TL;DR

Stern allegedly uses Facebook bans against Flippin' and Mashin' podcast for sharing Stern's own TMNT post.

Summary

Episode 62 of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast features hosts Drew and Scott Ian interviewing Stephen Parnell from the podcast Flippin' and Mashin' (based in Superior, Wisconsin/Duluth, Minnesota). The primary focus is a detailed account of how Stern Pinball allegedly used Facebook's enforcement tools to permanently ban the Flippin' and Mashin' Facebook page after Parnell shared Stern's own pinned post about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles—despite the game having already been officially revealed. The hosts discuss the apparent disproportionate enforcement action, draw comparisons to other podcasts that shared leaked images without consequences, and debate whether Stern's approach hurts the pinball community. The episode also includes casual discussion of personal pinball restoration projects.

Key Claims

  • Flippin' and Mashin' shared TMNT leak photos from Pinside on May 26, initially via This Week in Pinball link, then as direct images on June 17

    high confidence · Parnell detailed the exact timeline and dates of posts; corroborated by Scott Ian and Drew

  • Stern's Facebook page permanently banned both Parnell and Steve's personal accounts, and deleted the entire Flippin' and Mashin' Facebook page

    high confidence · Parnell stated both accounts were banned and page was 'ripped off.' Drew and Scott Ian confirmed the ban occurred.

  • The ban occurred after Parnell shared Stern's own pinned post about TMNT, not the original leaked images

    high confidence · Parnell explicitly stated: 'This was Stern's pinned post... I shared their pin post. As soon as that happened, I was immediately banned from Facebook.'

  • Other podcasts (specifically referenced: Kaneda's Pinball Podcast) shared TMNT leaks multiple times but faced no consequences

    medium confidence · Drew stated Kaneda's shared 'like three times' and other podcasts shared without penalty; Parnell acknowledged awareness but no evidence provided

  • The ban occurred approximately one week after the official TMNT reveal

    high confidence · Parnell: 'July 4th is when the ban happened. That was like a week later.'

  • Flippin' and Mashin' has 49 canonical episodes plus bonus episodes (approx. 54-55 total) over ~2.5 years

    high confidence · Parnell stated: 'technically have 49 in the bag, but then we have a bunch of bonus ones... technically it's more than 49'

  • Stern did not send a cease-and-desist letter before the ban; both hosts argue this should be standard practice

    high confidence · Drew explicitly stated: 'if there was something like this... you send a cease and desist letter or a request to someone to take it down.'

  • The Twin Ports Facebook group (separate from Flippin' and Mashin' page) still exists and was not deleted

    high confidence · Parnell: 'the Twin Ports group still exists, so that's great that we can still communicate'

Notable Quotes

  • “So he's in Duluth, Minnesota, and I'm right across the bay in Superior. Wait, wait, wait. So you're a Wisconsin native? No. I am now. You said that quickly. No. I don't want to be part of you guys. I am a Wisconsin current, if you will.”

    Parnell / Drew @ early in interview — Establishes Parnell's location and comedic dynamic; shows casual banter about host background

  • “This was Stern's pinned post... I shared their pin post. As soon as that happened, I was immediately banned from Facebook.”

    Parnell @ mid-episode Facebook ban discussion — Core factual claim: the ban was triggered by sharing Stern's own official post, not leaked content

  • “If they had requested this get taken down, we would have done it. I have, most of my games are Stern Pinball.”

    Parnell @ discussion of Stern enforcement — Demonstrates willingness to comply with proper legal process; establishes Parnell as Stern customer/fan

  • “I get it from a business perspective. If you can explain to me, if you're Stern Pinball, you're George Gomez, you're Gary Stern Stern, you can explain to me how something like that really hurts your brand, I'll accept that and move on.”

    Drew @ late Facebook ban discussion — Articulates the core tension: community frustration with lack of explanation or transparency from Stern

  • “And here's I was going I didn't do this yet because I care, but I don't care if that makes sense. I'll explain.”

    Drew @ closing Facebook discussion — Reflects the casual, self-aware tone of the show—absurdist humor masking genuine frustration

  • “so it's kind of weird how they deal out their justice that way... I don't know who necessarily pulled the trigger on this. I don't know if it was someone from Stern who said, Jon Hey, keep an eye on Flippin' and Mashin'. They're posting stuff about us.”

    Parnell @ mid-discussion of ban timing — Speculates on Stern's enforcement logic; suggests selective monitoring or targeting

  • “We're content creators that are talking about you, creating hype for you. This doesn't make sense why you would want to rip this off and try to squash that, if that makes sense.”

Entities

Flippin' and Mashin'organizationStephen ParnellpersonStevepersonPoor Man's Pinball PodcastorganizationDrewpersonScott IanpersonStern Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern Pinball's permanent ban of Flippin' and Mashin' Facebook page and personal accounts generating community discussion about fairness, transparency, and disproportionate enforcement.

    high · Entire segment dedicated to Facebook ban; multiple hosts acknowledging the event as notable; Drew considering writing formal letter to Stern leadership requesting explanation.

  • ?

    industry_signal: Apparent inconsistency in how Stern (or its agents) enforce content policies—Flippin' and Mashin' permanently banned for sharing Stern's own post, while other podcasts (e.g., Kaneda's) shared leaked images multiple times without consequence.

    medium · Parnell: 'I've had a couple people reach out... I won't mention that shared images and they didn't get anything... some got the hammer and then some just couldn't post links.'

  • ?

    regulatory_signal: Facebook's enforcement actions used as tool by or on behalf of rights holders (Stern) to suppress pinball content; raises questions about who initiated enforcement and criteria used.

    high · Parnell speculated: 'I don't know if it was someone from Stern who said, Jon Hey, keep an eye on Flippin' and Mashin'. They're posting stuff about us.'

  • ?

    product_launch: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pinball leaked May 26 by distributor; official reveal occurred ~July 4; enforcement action followed reveal by ~1 week, suggesting reactive rather than proactive enforcement.

    high · Parnell: 'May 26th is when those leaks came out... July 4th is when the ban happened. That was like a week later.'

  • ?

    content_signal: Flippin' and Mashin' has sustained ~50 episodes over 2.5 years, reaching approximate industry viability; hosts and guests acknowledge sustainability challenges and listener attrition.

Transcript

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0:00
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0:52
Oh, yeah. It's time. You waited a week or more and now it's finally here. The time has come for the sloppiest show on the internet. This week's episode of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast.
1:06
Starring Drew and Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over. I'm gonna need someone to help me. I'm gonna need somebody to stay.
1:28
Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode 62, the sloppiest show on the internet, and the newest shows for American pinball. Joining us today, we have three special guests. We're going to announce them. The first one is... Ian. Hi, guys. How's everyone doing today? You're not the special... I wasn't the special guest last week. I know. Why do you get to be the special guest this week? I was just hoping, brother. I was just hoping. No, we actually have a special guest on the line. Actually, he's here in studio, which is crazy. He's sitting right next to us. He just sat next to us. He's smoking, which is really weird. He's got a hand up his butt. Yeah. He is one of the co-hosts of the Puppet Pals on the Pitbull Network. Moppy's here. Moppy, how are you doing today? Hi, everybody. It's Moppy. Moppy, just sit there.

Parnell / Steve @ closing thoughts on Facebook ban — Crystallizes the community's argument: early leaks/hype benefit manufacturers, enforcement damages that relationship

  • “They should just send you a letter that says, good luck with MySpace.”

    Scott Ian (humorous response) @ after ban outcome explanation — Comic relief but also commentary on the permanence and futility of the ban

    • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
    game
    Kaneda's Pinball Podcastorganization
    This Week in Pinballorganization
    Pinsideorganization
    George Gomezperson
    Gary Sternperson
    Firepowergame
    Meteorgame
    Retro Refurbsorganization
    Otter Edgeorganization
    Puppet Palsorganization
    Moppyperson
    Twin Ports pinball grouporganization

    high · Parnell: '49 in the bag' plus bonuses over ~2.5 years; Drew: 'a lot of guys don't do that they start it and then it just fizzles out'; emphasis on consistency as key factor.

  • $

    market_signal: Despite Facebook ban and quality issues, Stern remains dominant player; Drew preparing to purchase fourth machine within two years; community continues buying despite grievances.

    high · Drew: 'I'm getting ready to buy my fourth new in-box Stern over a period of about two years... I buy them, I sell them, but I keep, you know, contributing to the Stern machine.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern machines experiencing clear coat failures; Jurassic Park cited as example; becoming recurring complaint in community.

    medium · Drew: 'it's like the clear coats it's like all this stuff... Jurassic Park? It was okay. I didn't have the clear coat issues.'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Sourcing decals internationally (Croatia) introduces significant delays; customs and logistics creating multi-week delays even for relatively simple parts.

    high · Drew: 'shipped in early May... arrived in New York before the end of May and then I just got them like a few days ago... they were sitting in New York and customs forever.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Interconnected pinball podcast ecosystem with multiple shows (Poor Man's, Flippin' and Mashin', Kaneda's, Puppet Pals, Pinball Network); cross-promotion and camaraderie evident but also competitive/political dynamics.

    high · Multiple podcast references throughout; good-natured ribbing of Kaneda's; acknowledgment of other content creators in Facebook ban fallout.

  • ?

    business_signal: Flippin' and Mashin' acknowledges small listener base (~3 listeners as joke); raises question of why Stern would expend enforcement resources on niche content creator.

    medium · Drew: 'We have three listeners. Do they really? They could call up all three of our listeners and say, don't look at that Facebook page.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Industry standard practice (cease-and-desist letter) bypassed in favor of platform bans; hosts/guests view this as escalation without warning or opportunity to comply.

    high · Drew: 'if there was something like this... you send a cease and desist letter or a request... that's like the polite thing to do... we said on our podcast was if they had requested this get taken down, we would have done it.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Stern's Facebook enforcement action creating mild erosion of goodwill among engaged content creators/customers; hosts express willingness to buy less or take break from purchases.

    medium · Drew: 'when I heard about this, I was like, well, you know, that kind of, it chased me a little bit the wrong way... I was ready to write a letter to George Gomez.'

    • 2:40
    So, Moppy, are you smoking in my basement? What's with the cigarette? I'm in a smoke port. Did you just say you're smoking a Newport? Moppy, Moppy, Moppy. You know, we don't have a lot of rules, but one of them is no smoking Newports in the basement.
    3:03
    Mappy, I don't understand a word this fucker says. Nobody does. Mappy, tell us why you decided to start your own pinball podcast.
    3:22
    I just want to go back home. Okay. What do you mean, back home? Are they keeping you against your will? No. Spectators are. I don't know anything about them. This is bullshit.
    3:35
    Muffy, what were your influences? Who were your earliest influences for pinball podcasting? I love the Redditor. I love them all. But the pinball podcast, I love the poor man too much. He's really fucking cool. I don't know. There's a real shot. There's a better. I don't know where we're going to go with this interview. This is so stupid.
    4:09
    Did you just say you're getting some cocaine and hookah? I think Moppy just left. Yeah, he stormed out. He was really not happy with our line of questioning. Yeah, fuck that guy. Oh, fucking Moppy. All right, well, Puppet Pals, TPN. Check them out. Check them out if you want. Or don't. Thanks, Moppy. Next, we're going to have his brother, Broomy. I hear that guy's even fucking worse. So stay tuned for that. But luckily we have some extra guests on hand. We actually have the main guest. Moppy just shows up because he's a dick. But we have with us, over Skype, not in studio, in the state next door, the wonderful state of Minnesota, we have Flippin' and Mashin', Stephen Parnell. How are you guys doing today? Welcome, guys. Stephen, fantastic. How are you guys doing tonight?
    5:09
    Well, I'm working on my buzz. You know, so with that being said, what are you guys drinking? What are you guys drinking, Minnesota? besides a bunch of lake water.
    5:20
    You know, Moppy sounds like Towelie's younger brother on cocaine. That's very possible. He looked a little bit like that. His eyes were all bloodshot. You know those blue mop heads? He was one of those. He was a blue mop head, and his eyes were bloodshot, and he was smoking the Newport beans. Chain smoking Newports and left for cocaine and hookers. I don't know, man. Nobody knows what he's doing. I don't know. We're not inviting him back.
    5:48
    That's a wild Monday night. Yeah. Guys, that was what we call a mistake on the Four Man Spinball Podcast. We asked him what he wanted to drink, and he said it was just going to bring him down. All right. So I have to decline. But anyway, guys, let's start with Steve. Steve, what are you drinking, bud? I'm actually just doing a rum and coke tonight. Just some El Capitan Morgan. Is there a lime in there? No. No Cuba Libre? Nope. Just a rum and coke. See, Ian, I'm learning. This is the Brumman Coke.
    6:17
    And actually, I'm actually over in Superior as well. Well, Superior, Wisconsin, is what I meant to say. So he's in Duluth, Minnesota, and I'm right across the bay in Superior. Wait, wait, wait. So you're a Wisconsin native?
    6:30
    No. I am now. You said that quickly. No. I don't want to be part of you guys. I am a Wisconsin current, if you will. I like that. I'm currently Wisconsin. Okay, that's fair enough.
    6:43
    Parnell, what are you drinking? I chose, out of my vast cardboard box in my basement, a handcrafted butterscotch schnapps made from Everclear over 12 years ago. It's very smooth now.
    7:00
    I can smell it over here. That's how serious, man. Parnell, if you go blind, man, that's not our fucking fault. Do not go blind over this podcast.
    7:11
    Drew, what do you feel? It's the poor man's drink. Yeah, it sounds exactly like it. Half-hour drinks come out of cardboard boxes. It's pretty cool. I'm back to my peanut butter whiskey, screwball. But I was, and I brought a couple of bottles because Ian's wife told me, she said, you can't drink my bottle. So I just keep bringing bottles over. And now there's lots of screwball in the basement. Everywhere I look, there's screwball.
    7:34
    And I am drinking DeWars White Label because people like to email us. They say we like our sweet shit. Well, suck on that, buttholes. I'm drinking something not so sweet. It's delicious. Smooth. Makes me feel great. It says true scotch. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I'm drinking, guys. So, all right. Perfect. Drew. Well, cool. So, Steve Parnell, tell us a little bit about your podcast. Tell us a little bit about yourself. How'd you guys meet? Yeah. There you go. You have a cool story like Ian and I?
    8:04
    It was a dark alley. No. Steve was... Hey, that's Ian and I's story. No, no. That's private. No. No, we actually met.
    8:15
    We've known each other for almost, I think, like 12 years now. We met a buddy of ours at a video game shop, and we met there. We all became buddies together. And then it's kind of we've been coworkers a lot of times, but either way we've just been friends a lot throughout the years. And what our podcast is about is about pinball, arcades, and video games. That way we just kind of have a more eclectic feel. If there's not something in one category we want to talk about, we can cover the next. Or if we're going to a cool new arcade, we'll cover that. Just stuff like that. That sounds like an episode of Fuck It Friday. I love it.
    8:59
    What it came down to was I only wanted to talk pinball. Steve wanted to talk everything else. This story sounds familiar. I like this. You guys sound a little bit like Ian and I, and I really dig that. You guys sound like you guys have some real camaraderie, too. So that's awesome. 12 years. So how many episodes of Flippin' and Makin' do you have under your belt? Oh, the fuck if Steve couldn't remember. I ask him every episode, I'm like, hey, what number is this? And he's like, well, I don't know. Yeah. The reason we announce ours so loudly at the beginning is so we remember. That's all.
    9:32
    Welcome to episode 62. See, now I know. I know where we're at. I didn't know until you said it. Is that it? I was like, that sounds weird. Are we really at 65? Yeah, we really are. It's fucking ridiculous. Yep. All right. So how many do you guys have? I think we technically have 49 in the bag, but then we have a bunch of bonus ones. I think we have like six or five bonus ones. So technically it's more than 49, but in the technical canon of flipping and mashing, it's 49.
    10:01
    That's awesome, because Ian and I wanted to quit ever since episode four, and here we are. So you guys made it to 50 episodes? that's really cool no a lot of guys don't do that they start it and then it just fizzles out it's hard to keep it going people get pissed off when they don't get 2,000 views or 1,000 views or in our case 500 views then our list will go down and then they get all upset don't look at our time stamps because there was a couple months where we didn't do anything and so that's like 49 over the course of a couple years Two and a half years. Yeah, we don't have much advice to give to people, but it's always just consistency. We just try to just stay on the air and be annoying to everyone, and they keep listening. It's awesome.
    10:46
    Yeah, they keep telling us to stop. It gives us motivation to keep going. Hey, why are you guys still doing this? And I go, I don't know. That's only our wives.
    10:59
    And my grandma. No, great job, guys. That's awesome. So we talked a little bit about Facebook. Got them. All right, guys. So let's go on to the fun topic that everyone wants to talk about is Leap, Facebook, and all that great stuff that happened to you guys. So we wanted to kind of bring you on here because, one, we wanted the people to hear you, and, two, we wanted people to kind of get to know you guys a little bit better as far as your podcast. So for those of you out there who don't know, when Stern, their distributors kind of leaked those photos of TMNT a day early. It was like one day early. It's usually, yeah, the calls are usually a day before the actual reveal. So all the top class podcasts usually share that on Facebook like we did. No, just kidding, Stern. We never did that. And then Canada did it like three times, I'm sure. and then you guys, and why don't you just kind of talk to what happened and the drama that ensued and the iron hammer that is Stern. Yeah, you got it. Parnell, why don't you start since you're the one who actually released the leaks. Yeah, so. Ooh, fear.
    12:22
    Parnell. Hold on. He's technically the one who did it, so I'll let him cover it. That's our social media manager. We can just tell him he did it. You can fuck with him. All right. Sorry. Go ahead. God, I feel hurt from this bus that just hit me.
    12:40
    Yeah, really. No, go ahead. So for context, Steve and I both have personal accounts, although my personal personal one was I deactivated a long time ago, so now I just have Parnell Pinball. It's literally just for pinball. And then we both together made the Flippin' a Mashin' podcast group, And then we also have a group called the Twin Ports because there's a group superior page that is for any leagues that we host or anything up here. So people can chat about that, which no one but us does. But there's members that see it, at least.
    13:20
    And I have it up here. May 26th is when those leagues came out. And they were posted to Pinside. So I grabbed them there. Actually, the first post that I made as Flippin' and Mashing was at 5.43 p.m., and it was straight from This Week in Pinball. But that got taken down shortly after, within an hour. So then I copied the pictures from Pinside, reposted at 6.17 at night, and put it on Flippin' and Mashing, and I posted it to our Twin Ports page.
    13:57
    So hold on a timeout, though. You're saying you originally shared the link the first time, and then you took the pictures instead of doing the link. Now it's going to be an original post with the pictures that you're actually posting directly onto it, correct?
    14:13
    Yeah. Gotcha. This week in Pinball, the link got, like, taken down. So then my content, my link got, no, what does it say? It says this content isn't available. Right. Yeah, so then I posted the pictures. and then it was July or June 4th is when the ban happened. Right. So it was a long time after. A long time later. That was like a week later, right? Right. So that's where I come involved. So we had made that podcast and talked a little bit about it and then I was looking for some content to kind of put out around that podcast to try to get people's attention to be like, oh, we should just check with you guys' podcast or whatever. So I was trying to look for different news or anything that had to do with turtles. And I couldn't find anything necessarily that was new and fresh on the Internet. So I just went right to Stern's Facebook page and was just looking through their stuff to see if I saw any posts that I thought were good. And then their pinned post, so mind you, this is their pinned post, I shared that one. And as soon as I shared it, that's when all of the banning went across the board. This was Stern's pinned post, you said? This is Stern's pinned post a week or at least several days after not only the leaks had been done, but also after the release of the game. Sure, the official reveal had already happened. Right, exactly, exactly. I shared their pin post. As soon as that happened, I got immediately banned from Facebook. And I was like, what the hell is going on right now? Now, to give you some context, I had run a social media company in the past, and I had been suspended in the past for trying to boost posts or do all sorts of different stuff to try to get people's attention. I've been used to getting suspended. It wasn't a big deal to me. I hadn't done that in a long time. I don't run a social media company anymore, so it didn't really matter to me.
    16:19
    So now instead of posting other people's dick pics, you post your own dick pics. One of the reasons why I was looking for content for the page is – Exactly.
    16:27
    But, like, that's one of the reasons, like, I hadn't been sharing a lot of stuff is I was looking for new stuff because I felt like I was being a bad social media manager. I was like, all right, I've got to post something on here, be of some value or help to the company or the podcast, I mean. So then when that happened, I thought it was because of me, because in the past I had been suspended. So I thought, shit, I got to call Parnell and tell him that he's got to keep an eye on the Facebook page. Like if somebody tries to comment or whatever, because I've just been ripped from Facebook for whatever reason. But I was still trying to rack my head for why. Like I hadn't done much. I hadn't really done anything at all. All I did was share a post that already existed. So I couldn't think of why this had happened. So I called him up, explained it to him. He thought, oh, you fucking shithead. You've been, you know, spamming or whatever. And then when he originally checks his Facebook on his phone, it's still there because it had been cached. And he didn't realize that, you know, he had been banned yet. So it wasn't until about an hour later, he actually starts going on Facebook, trying to do some different stuff on Facebook. And then that is when he realized he has been banned. So we had... post links, unable to share, you know, I don't know, different stuff to like our Facebook page or something like that, nothing like that. Just straight up banned from Facebook.
    17:54
    There's no mention of flipping and mashing anywhere on Facebook at all. I think there might be some stuff that is available nowadays, but at the time there was nothing at all. If you type in flipping and mashing, it doesn't exist on Facebook. They had stripped everything off of it. Like, our Facebook page was gone. Anything that had come from that Facebook page was gone. Any posts that had any links to the Facebook page, nothing. It was all completely ripped. You guys could just start over on MySpace.
    18:22
    Oh. What, too soon? We don't have sparkles everywhere. Brush up on that HTML code. You'll get something real fancy. So do you know, because obviously, has anyone else reached out to you about the similar thing? any of the other podcasts or any of the other pages?
    18:43
    I've had a couple people reach out and just talk about it, but, yeah, no other podcaster. Sure, because, you know, we were talking a little earlier. I'm just curious because, like I said, you know, there's other podcasts I know that I won't mention that, you know, shared images and they didn't get anything. And then some got the hammer and then some just couldn't post links, you know. So it's kind of weird how they deal out their justice that way.
    19:11
    I think that the reason, if, I don't know who necessarily pulled the trigger on this. I don't know if it was someone from Stern who said, hey, keep an eye on Flippin' and Mashin'. They're posting stuff about us. So then as soon as I posted the next thing that had something to do with turtles, or maybe it was the next thing that has to do with Stern. I don't know what it was, but it was clearly some kind of, like, trigger, if that makes sense. Yeah. Because as soon as it happened, then that's when everything got wiped. So just, like, the word Stern or something. It doesn't make sense because we shared, or I shared, every post from Dead Flip and Stern after that day about the Ninja Turtles. So, like, the gameplay reveal and their trailer and all that. So there was 20 posts before we got banned. It was kind of weird. You see, I don't really understand. I really don't understand. But all I do know is that as soon as I shared that one pin post, and I had not shared anything really except for, like, our own content. But, again, this is not spammy or anything like that, just regular sharing, maybe, like, two posts a day or something like that. But as soon as I shared that one about turtles, that's when it all went down. It just blew up. So his thing got banned, my thing got banned, and then the page itself got ripped off. Well, now since then, both of our personal pages have been allowed to come back online. We're both able to post our own personal content, but the Facebook page itself is still permabanned. And you are, in their words, allowed to disagree with this ruling. And if you want to disagree, you can go ahead and make that known. and it will help in the future, you know, Facebook content or something like that. It's great, but it has nothing to do with our page. Thanks. They should just send you a letter that says, good luck with MySpace. Yeah, absolutely. That's great. So, like, in all practicality, the Flipping and Mashing page will never be back on Facebook. Correct, yeah. I mean, the good news is that what we found out is that even though that page was ripped apart, the actual group for the Twin Ports pinball, that still exists. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because I was afraid that I would not Rift Apart along with the page. But the Twin Ports group still exists, so that's great that we can still communicate and try to get together with other pinball users here in the Twin Ports, which is pretty awesome. So can you open up a mastering and flipping page then? Oh, that's great.
    21:57
    It's good. I'm just you know what that's going to be dedicated to or the F&M page yeah you know what that's going to be dedicated to leaks I would open up 15 pages the next day and they would all be dedicated to leaking images I'm just honestly dumbfounded that more wasn't done especially to the number one unnamed pinball podcast Kaneda I'm giving you credit fine Kaneda are you listening Christmas Kaneda It's spelled, sounds like Canada. Was that a good Canada impression? Chris, I love you. No, that was awful.
    22:34
    That was so bad. It rhymes with Canada. Chris, you rhyme with Canada. Oh, man. Perfect. No, Drew, I know what you're saying, Drew. And in the business, though, you know what that's called? It's called bullshit. That's the official name? It's just a fucking bullshit thing. And here's I was going I didn't do this yet because I care, but I don't care if that makes sense. I'll explain. And then you guys, you know, whatever you guys can think what you want. But sounds great. For a little while, I was shut up. Shut your face. I'm talking and drinking as I usually do. I love it. It's a face. Yeah. I was actually thinking, I'm like, you know, I'm getting ready to buy this new game from Stern.
    23:23
    And when I heard about this, I was like, well, you know, that kind of, it chased me a little bit the wrong way. Only because they're doing a disservice to the pinball community, in my opinion. All jokes aside. I'd agree. I think it's not, you know, I get it from a business perspective. If you can explain to me, if you're Stern Pinball, you're George Gomez, you're Gary Stern, you can explain to me how something like that really hurts your brand, I'll accept that and move on. Does that make sense? Yeah. If they say, hey, this really would hurt us monetarily in some way, and this will hurt our brand, I'm like, cool. We shouldn't be doing that because I don't want to hurt the brand of Stern. I love Stern. Everyone knows I'm a Stern fanboy. However, the other side of that coin, if I'm going to spend, you know, I'm getting ready to buy my fourth new in-box Stern over a period of about two years. You know, that's not insignificant, I wouldn't say. No. And I was ready to write a letter to George Gomez and say, hey, can you just explain this to me? And I was going to say in the letter very politely, yeah, if this hurts your brand, I get it. Then I'll just back off and say, cool, and I'll buy a game and I get it. But if you guys can't come up with a really good reason and you guys are hurting the community, the people that love your games. It's really a hype machine. Don't you want people to hear that? And they're yelling from the rooftops, hey, check out this cool game.
    24:44
    I don't even want to use the word offense because that's too strong for a pinball game. I mean, at the end of the day, this is a game, and I'm not going to try to pretend it's not. But does that all make sense? I don't want to go too much on a soapbox. Is that kind of how you guys felt about this? I agree. I think we both agree with that. I think we talked about it even on our podcast. We get it. This is your company. If you really think that this is actually hurting you, we don't want to hurt you because we love your games. We love your games. But at the same time, we're content creators that are talking about you, creating hype for you. This doesn't make sense why you would want to rip this off and try to squash that, if that makes sense. No, it totally makes sense. And I listened to that episode, and great job with your podcast, by the way. Thank you.
    25:31
    Yeah, I totally agree, and I just don't see a real business reason behind this. Why are they even wasting time? I mean, we have three listeners. Do they really? They could call up all three of our listeners and say, don't look at that Facebook page. You know what I mean?
    25:51
    It's just crazy to me. yeah so I think as I own a business if there was something like this and this has been done I don't know this is the standard that I know of you send a cease and desist letter or a request to someone to take it down right and that's like the polite thing to do without getting too insane sure we don't want to get litigious on you just please stop what you're doing and we said on our podcast was if they had requested this get taken down, we would have done it. I have, most of my games are Stern games. And I've met, well, the other funny thing is we used, I've been to CES, I don't know, over eight times, and they usually release a game every year at CES. And I didn't leak any games. Like, I've respected them.
    26:43
    And that's, I'm there setting up days early. So I didn't leak a game, you know, a week early. but then to not even get a cease and desist and just have a ban happen a week after is kind of sucky isn't this funny though because it's just like everything it's like the clear coats it's like all this stuff you're like Stern after I buy this game I'm going on strike and I'm not going to buy another game for at least a year at least four more months and we're all fucking laughing but we all know like I said I'm on my fourth game I buy them, I sell them, but I keep, you know, contributing to the Stern machine. And you're right, because their games are good. And I do, like, yeah, this clear coat thing. I draw the line here. Oh, Jurassic Park? It was okay. I didn't have the clear coat issues. Eh, we'll move on to the next one. You know? It's so fucking funny. And that's just in my nature, because I'm, as you guys can tell, like, I don't, you know, it's pinball. I'm not going to get too serious about it. You buy a game, you don't like it, you don't have some clear coat, sell it. be done with. I don't know.
    27:51
    Yeah, whatever. I stopped wanting to like their Facebook pages. I was so pissed. You stole them! You called up Mark Zuckerberg and he said, yeah, I'm sticking to the man.
    28:06
    No, I went up our tooth page. I need to consume as much of that as possible. But then on the other hand, you know, they are the apple of the pinball world, you know? because it's like everyone buys their products, everyone loves and hates them at the same time, and they keep growing. And I applaud them, and I have nothing but respect for that entire team, especially the team of people that are making games over there, the multiple teams, I should say. Yeah, a lot of long hours, a lot of hard work. All right, let's move on. Let's move on. Let's have some fun. Moving on. People want to listen to us and have a blast. Let's move on and have some fun. Is everyone else drinking out there? We're drinking. Let's get drunk. Call us on our new hotline. What are you drinking out there? Do we have a hotline? We don't. Wait. Call Ian. Call 1-4-764. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. Are we doing drinking games? Oh, every time. Every time we say pinball, you drink. Every time we talk over each other.
    29:04
    You know what? No, it's funny you say that. I do want to stop there for a second. I've been actually thinking about that. We should institute something like that, and it would be kind of fun. What, a drinking game? Yeah. Yeah, like just like every time you say like clear coat, you know, every time. There could be some really cool ones, I think. Well, we can do that once we get our video set up all set up. That'll be part of the visual watching Drew and Ian do shots. Are you guys ready for this beautiful mug to be on camera? We have the faces for TV, but the bodies for radio. Yes.
    29:39
    Here's what's going to happen. And all the times I'm, like, pointing at Kaneda and talking to him. Now I can actually do it. Because he keeps me all the time. He's like, why are you pointing at me? I'm like, that's Kaneda. Yeah. I'm talking to him. I'm talking to Stern. We're very animated. I'm talking to George Gomez. You guys will fucking see. Trust me. All right. So do body shots. Then we'll do it. Oh, gosh.
    30:02
    The fuzzy navel shot never got more serious than this. All right. So we did what you drink and you shot the shit. We talked Facebook. By the way, for the record, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast does not condone sharing leaked images the day before.
    30:18
    We've never done it. They don't condone it. They participate in it. I've never seen it happen before. Billy Y.J. is our social media manager. You can contact him at BillyYJ at WhoGivesAShit.com. It's Billy Yeager at PoorMan'sPinball.com. All right. So, here we go. Boom, boom, boom. It's crowded under this bus. Yeah, no doubt. let's go into our poor man's podcast personal pinball news uh drew what do you got going on brother well uh firepower finally got the decals i put this beast together i buttoned it up i started from croatia right from croatia i was laughing my ass off last i know fucking croatia it took forever yeah that's from croatia five weeks jesus i know and then go ahead wait the hard top is from there? No, the hard top was from Otter Edge. I forgot where they are. They're in the States But the decals For the side of the cabinets Yeah I got new decals for the cabinets I just painted it all and didn you know the whole thing but uh they come from retro refurbs he in croatia and it took about they they shipped in late may and they actually got to new york i'm sorry they shipped in early may they got to new york before the end of may and then i just got them like a few days ago yeah so you know because they because of covid they were sitting in new york and customs forever that's what happened So anyway, so I get these things. I put them on. You know, not perfect. A couple of bubbles. Looks really good, though. So, you know, it's the back box, the sides, the front. Really cool. Put the coin drawer back together and been playing some games. But it's doing some weird shit because, well, that game I've never really done any board work on. I need to change the connectors. I need to do shit. It's just that game, you know, it came to me broken. So just some board work. I got connectors. I'm ready to go. So a little soldering, I'll be 100%. Cool. It is cool. What else do you got? Meteor. Clear-coating Meteor. I put my second clear coat on Meteor. The first coat looked like shit, but looked better than when I started, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I started with this play field that was this woman. She had this game since she was a teenager, and she was in her 40s or 50s. She's had this game for 30 years. Yeah. And it was beat to shit. It was her only game. She wasn't like a pinball enthusiast. She just loved this game. So she played the shit out of it. It was dirty. Like the rubbers hadn't been replaced. She was using the pinball from the tilt mechanism in there. The block? No. Yeah, the one that you like. The cabinet, which is a smaller ball, by the way. Yeah. Is it really? Yeah. Yeah, it's like a, it's probably 80% the size of a regular pinball, 90%. It works. It's this rusty old ball in there. I'm like, what the fuck? So anyway, this whole thing is, you know, it's just whatever.
    33:21
    And I take it all apart, clean it up, put a new rectifier board in there. And then I'm like, I got to do something with this play fit. The plastics are all intact and stuff, not broken, and they're nice. I'm like, cool. So I pull it all apart, and I'm like, I'm going to clear coat this thing. Ian turned me on to this KBS clear coat that you can roll on because I'm not spraying. I'm not making like a spray booth and stuff. It's not getting that crazy yet. It is meatier, so don't worry about it. Yeah, exactly. It's a, you know, it's a... Are you hurting or are you helping? Usually you're helping. Well, yeah. So the first coat... Is it better or worse? The first coat looked a little rough. I let it cure for about a day, day and a half. I roughed it up, cleaned it up. Then I put on a second, like, thicker coat today. And I'm looking at it, and I'm like, you know, it's shining. It's starting to get its thing, right? It takes three or sometimes three or four, depending. I mean, this thing was down to, like, wood, wood. Right. I mean, with the clear coat guys, yeah, you want to, that first coat, you want to thin it down and roll it out so it spreads across very nicely. There's going to be, even though it's wood and it may look level to the eye, but once you start putting that clear coat on, you're going to find out that that wood is not level at all. There's going to be highs and lows to that wood where things have been compressed because wood is a living thing. People forget that. So there's going to be lots of dimples. There's going to be lots of things going on with that play field. So when you put that first thinned out coat on that play field, yeah, you're going to see the highs and lows. You're going to see like it'll look like you missed an entire spot. And you're like, no, I hit this. It's just because it just flowed a weird way or it was too much of a low and it didn't fill that void. So that's why you do multiple coats so you can build it up. You want to build that thickness up, that middle thickness. It's what we call it in the industry, mills. That's how you judge clear coats and stuff. So the only trick is, and what Drew's doing is, yeah, just standing in between coats, making sure that it's nice and rough so the second coat has something to bite onto and the third coat has something to bite on. So keep standing in between. It'll help. And then keep adding, you know, your coats until you're happy with it. And then, yeah, then I say always, you know, before you start putting things on there, let it cure for, you know, a good week. Let it cure. Let it get hard. That's the problem with Stern's clear coats and JJP's and everybody's clear coats. They don't have that luxury to wait two weeks, three weeks, four weeks. They don't have that luxury. It's return to service. Spray that shit, let it dry, and let us start populating these play fields so we can get shit out. So there is no limit to the amount of coats you can put on this thing, really? There is. Yeah. I mean, you can buy longer screws. Yeah, there's limits because not every product is called what we call in the industry a high build. A high build is something where you can put multiple coats on and you'll be fine. So what about with this product? This product is not high build. No, you don't want to throw on eight coats of this stuff on. You just want to go, I wouldn't do more than three. I know Dave said he did about five, which seems like he might have done a lot of thin coats, which makes sense to me. So I did one thin and one thick. I think if you do one more thick, decent coat, let it. And, again, don't look for shine when you're doing this clear coat. The shine is going to come when you polish afterwards, when you do all your buffing. And that's going to be a whole other process, which I hated. But the clear coat is just there to protect. It's got to look level. Don't worry about it being, you know, there's a lot of things, a lot of imperfections you might see. It might be rough. Oh, okay. So if it looks kind of bubbly. Yeah, you'll see imperfections. That's what sanding helps. It helps smooth it. And when it's all said and done, then you go into your buffing stage. The first two parts of your finish, your buffing, you know, isn't polishing. It's literally you're kind of breaking down the coating. You're trying to smooth it as quick. You want it that glass, you know. And then you go into the polishing mode. So there's different things. So vid on pit side. Yeah, sure. He has a really good method of buffing all that stuff out. So follow Vids thing on the Playfield Restoration. All right. Yep. Sell, sell, sell. I see you want to sell it. Yeah, you know, well, it's not so much I want to, but, you know, I've spent so much time, I've spent so much money on these things. They're cool, but there's just so much shit I want. So I think we'll see. I'll play them for a while, but I know what's going to happen. You know, now they're worth a little more money. I'm going to put them up on the auction block for a little bit higher maybe.
    38:01
    Don't say it. Don't say it out here. See what kind of bait I get. Fair market price. We'll probably go even low. Well, I don't even know what's fair market. Well, here's the problem because the games I have, there aren't a lot of really nice ones out there. You know what I mean? So we'll see. Are you saying my laser war is worth big money? I don't have a laser war. My laser war. Our laser war. Our laser war is big money. But that's the thing is that, you know, I did see a Meteor, actually, somebody selling for $3,200.
    38:33
    You know, it's got a new play field. It's, you know, this and that. So it's nice. All right. So, anyways. Yep, sell, sell, sell. Cool. All right. Who wants to go next? Steve Parnell, who wants to go next? You got any personal pinball news?
    38:45
    Drew, did you fall into, like, the slam tilt, Sturm Electronics hype? Is that why you got it? No, no, no, no. I just was looking for some good deals, looking for something fun to play, actually. Why? Why do you say that?
    38:59
    Because I fell into the hype and I got a Galaxy that's mid-restoration. No, I actually dig the games. Like, you know, Firepower's fun, Meteor's fun.
    39:11
    LaserQ. LaserQ is fun, man. But to your point about the Spirits, no, I really, you know, I have a Stars also. They're just good games. They're fun games. So that's all. Okay, cool. And our background is, like, we restored a lot of, like, arcade machines. So we did the restoration part of all these things. But I guess the real answer to your question is I chase shinies. You know, I'll be honest. Like, you know, did I actively search out a meteor? No. Did I actively search out the firepower? No. So right now I have stars, meteor, firepower, and laser cue. those I found by happenstance. I didn't search out a single one of them. You know what I mean? Those kind of fell into my lap. That's fucked up when you run around and all of a sudden a laser cue shows up at your doorstep. A man playing baseball just shows up on my lap.
    40:09
    So the other two in my collection, two and a half in kind of laser war, I bought that one for Ian. You know, Simpsons and Jurassic Park, those games I sought out. You know what I mean? like those are games I really wanted and now I really want Turtles so I'm probably going to buy a Turtles premium but games like that like cheaper games I'm just like you know this looks cool and LaserQ is fun I put it up for sale I got a couple of small offers on it and I'm just keeping it for now because I dig it sweet I usually don't play my games I just work on them my buddy likes to say they're all broken all the time so uh who wants to go next steve why don't you go next yeah i got two got leaves that are down right now uh roller disco and uh dragon and i got roller disco rolling i thought i figured out everything that was wrong with it or we thought okay parnell's my actual mechanic so so we thought we figured out the problem and it was working for about a week and then it stopped working. So I don't entirely... Go ahead. The problem is it's the Gottlieb. Dennis Creasel hates me right now. Drew's doing his jokes. Just keep going.
    41:30
    No, I... I like these old machines. I think they're cool. One, they're cheap. That's a big deal right there. But I also do think that they're cool. I love the artwork that's on them. Well, I think it's sexy, for one. But I think it's just really cool. And
    41:46
    it's frustrating that these have both been down for a while. I think I'm going to get brand new boards for them, which is going to be meaning that I'm going to be sinking even more money into them and digging myself even further into the hole on them. Because both of these games, I am probably not going to be making any money off of anymore because I bought them dirt cheap with the purpose of flipping them. And now I think I just own these suckers until I die because I just keep putting more and more money into them. Well, we do this to get rich. You know, it's hard. No, it's really hard to make money these days because even, you know, I bought Firepower for nothing. But, yeah, when you start spending the real money to fix them up, it's expensive. It's fun. Yeah, Steve, what other games have you had, man?
    42:32
    Right now, this is all I have. I just have these two guys, and they're both in my house with me right now. Beautiful. I just moved one into my living room, which when I moved the roller disco into my living room, it was working. and I was real excited about it. I'm like, yes. When everybody comes over here, they can play this badass old game, and then it crapped out. It crapped out on my birthday. I had everybody over. I was like, let's play some pinball. Come on, guys. So they all rallied around, and they played one game and then crapped out. Like, you son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. Not in front of everybody. Not now. Are you? Don't do this to me.
    43:08
    You're embarrassing me in front of my friends. Right. Not roller disco Everyone wants the roller disco That is so cool Oh my god How much more money do you want from me?
    43:27
    What do you need? Tell me I'll give you new boards It's funny because you put it on free play You gotta pay up We've been joking about that for years We need to start charging people to play these games Make some money back sorry what were you going to say Drew are you married myself yeah no but I have my fiance who lives with me and you get to have a game in your living room can you tell me your magical secret so not only do I have one in the living room where the other one is it's in my bed oh my god it's a sex toy you are like Drew's spirit animal you are everything I hope to be in my life I have big goals. That's Drew's joke for years now. I want a game in the living room and a game in the bedroom. He wanted a Wonka in the bedroom. That's what he wanted. Oh, the Willys in the bedroom. Oh, my God. Dude, you are my personal hero. I'm sorry. Okay, Parnell, your turn, brother. Got any news?
    44:29
    Oh, my gosh. I could talk for days. I don't know if you ever listened to our podcast. There was a one point a couple years ago where my basement had some water in it. so I brought all the games to work and I just brought them all back home most of them are folded up but I have like what do you know there's Gottlieb Pinball Pool with the play field up it needs a couple parts and then that game is going for sale and then I'll flip up Ghostbusters Premium and I bought the Forrester and Band Me I bought the Proton Armor the Inner Art Blades and a Color DMV so I'll throw that in it I forgot you did that.
    45:11
    What games do you have? Okay, let's see. I got a Tron Pro. All right, cool. The Evil Madness remake, LE. Nice. Wow.
    45:24
    I think I sold a couple testicles and some other bodily part for that. So you sold both of them, huh?
    45:34
    Yeah, but somehow I have kids now. Just gave them both up. Okay, cool. Well, now you got solid kids, I guess. Yeah.
    45:44
    Ghostbusters Premium, Metallica Pro, Stern Galaxy, Pinball Pool, Lord of the Rings, and a Gottlieb Playball EM, and an ACDC Lucy. That is a solid lineup, my friend. Lucy? Nice. I'll trade you a roller disco for an ACDC Lucy.
    46:06
    Dude, deal. If only you had a roller disc, Al. I will. Hey, how much? I was going to say, did you say Baywatch as well? Did you forget that one? I sold it. You sold it? You sold it. Oh, Baywatch is gone. The Baywatch is a cool game. Son of a bitch. I love that game. Yeah. All the days you mentioned were like, oh, Baywatch. That's the game. I know. It's fun. Florida Rings is cool, but did you play Baywatch, bro?
    46:32
    Why do I look? No, like, why did those guys, why did Ian and Drew like it? I played it, and I just thought it was kind of, it was not the shots. I think they watched one of the most underrated games. It's good. I don't know. When I stand in front of it, I'm just in awe with the size of the guard shack, you know, the big power, and the shots, and the theme is so ridiculous to me. I love three things. I love cheese. Yeah, I love cheesiness. We have a laser war. Were you listening? Yeah, we have a laser war that we put about three grand into. Oh, my God, yes. It's the nicest laser war on the planet Earth, and we're going to put that on show. But anyway, so, yeah, laser – oh, sorry, laser war. I love the guard shack. I love the easiness of it. Oh, and I love artwork. Now, the artwork there is just hideous, but it doesn't matter to me because it's fucking Baywatch. It's awesome. The shots were super smooth. Yeah. The shot – it shoots so good. Now, to be fair, though, I never owned a Baywatch, so I don't know a lick about rules or how deep that game is. But when I play it at the shows, I get excited when I see it. I'm like, fuck, yeah, Baywatch time. And everyone looks at me like, but there's Banzai Run, there's Taxi, there's a million other games. I'm more disciplined than I used to be, so now when I see stuff, I'm like, yeah, I just don't want that. But when I see Baywatch every time, I'm like, maybe. It'd be fun to have. You know what I mean? I think it's one that I will own at some point. It might not stay. It probably won't stay. Yeah, chances are it's not going to. Do you remember when they had that sale? There was one in this really nice beach house. It was like this multi-million dollar beach house. It was on Twip. Yeah, it was on Twip. And they had a single pinball machine. And we're just looking at this thing like, this is like a $3 million house. And the machine they picked was Baywatch. You know, and I get it. It goes with the theme of the beach and stuff, but. Oh, plus the short flipper. Was that the shark fin or whatever? Yeah.
    48:39
    That's cool. Whatever. I don't know. The still shots alone are amazing. So why did you sell it? You just got sick of the rules? Not deep enough? What happened?
    48:51
    So it was a giant project. I bought that, and it was a re-import from Germany, which is, I mean, instead of, you know, converting it over correctly with the plug, they just put the scissors, cut the harness and wire nutted the wires and then there was like a arcade power supply to run the 5 volt so I had to reverse all that and when I started playing it, it just it didn't pull me in, it was kind of just, like I was just flipping no, that's fair enough I really liked, I wanted to love it though I don't know maybe it was just too easy That was kind of me when I got Monster Bash SE from CGC. I liked the remake. I loved how it looked. I loved the theme because I'm a big monster horror movie buff.
    49:40
    But, you know, after that first, like, you know, love affair that first month, after that wore off, I was just like, oh, fuck this game. This game is, I'm chopping wood all day long. Like, I want to shoot Creature five more times. I'd barf. Like, I don't want to do that anymore. But, you know, it's known as, like, this really, really cool game. But, yeah, it's just never really – yeah, it's fun to shoot, but it never grabbed me. Everyone that came to my house just absolutely loved it. When I sold it, people were pissed. Well, that is a fan favorite. I mean, that's a – if you have a lineup more than two, because I can only fit two down here, yes, Monster Bash would work great in a bigger lineup, but not in a two-lineup. And Attack from Mars and Medieval Man. Oh, yeah. There's a reason those are the top three games usually because for average people who don't play a lot of pinball, you could put those three games amongst 20 games and they would probably get played the most, I would think. That's true. Now, to be fair, though, Attack from Mars and Medieval Madness, I am not sick of them. I don't think I might ever get sick of them because they're so much fun. I just want to go back to my personal news for just a moment. I've been thinking about this. It's always about Drew. Always about me. Yeah, fuck you. You're going to listen to me. This is Parnell's segment, but go for it.
    50:57
    I was thinking, when I said sell, sell, sell, like the meteor in the firepower, and buy something like that. Just sell them, get what I can for them, and then... Attack from Mars, Medieval Madness? Yep, a remake. Oh, my God.
    51:10
    You're getting me all hard over here, Drew. All right, Parnell, let's walk away. All right, Parnell. Moving on. Keep going, man. So what other jobs, what other, sorry, where were we? You sold the Baywatch. yeah so I sold Baywatch and Joker Poker project probably a good idea there yeah it was and Galaxy I repinned the entire harness I got I sold all my old Gottlieb System 1 boards from the few games and got all tech boards for it oh nice and I'll see what I have left I have to redo the what the hell is that thing called? Next to the power supply, it's that little relay, right? Looks like a little plug.
    51:58
    Drew should know. The rectifier? No, I redid the rectifier board, but there's that little, it's like a relay for the, oh, maybe you don't have it. I don't remember. I don't have relays in my game. I think I know what you're talking about, but. I think Galaxy has it for the GI that clicks. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just, yeah, the rectifier, like the relays that they have on the board, right? You just get new relays. I just got to solder it in and I can test. I also did all board work on the original boards to see if I could fix them. So I've never powered it on. It was kind of a mess. I'm really good at buying giant projects and then taking three or four years to get them done.
    52:40
    You're talking to the guy who learns as he goes. We're getting there. We're going to partner up, me and you together, man. We'll get it done. Who has the bigger rock? And I don't know, like, how much, if you guys are into arcade stuff, I have a Bally skill roll. Have you heard of it? Skill roll? Skill roll. Like, you put the nickel in, you flick it back and forth going down. No, I've never heard of that game. And I'm a big arcade guy, and I've never heard of that. That's crazy.
    53:06
    It's like an EM. I get it. It's a freaking giant project. But I paid a small amount for it, and people are, you know, I think one just lived on eBay for, like, three-some thousand. So just stupid. Oh, you're one of those guys who bought, like, an ice-cold beer for $50 back in the day. Yeah. And now they're like, hey, I'll give you $2,800 for it. And you're like, cool. So it's unopened right here. Yeah. Yeah, and the tapper guys, like, oh, I got this tapper back in the, you know, early 2000s. I paid $200 for it. And now they're like $4,000. $4,000, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of good finds out there. Anything else? What else you got?
    53:44
    What else? I just took it and my game's set up. The gun game. Oh. Like all the neons and stuff. Yeah, the EM gun game. I got a Coney Island. I got a finish.
    53:56
    Otherwise, that's it. I just took it and my game's set up. Oh, skill. All right. You just sent me the skill roll. I have seen this. Yeah, this thing's cool as shit. Yeah, it's a great party game. Yeah, it's almost like an ice cold beer. Yeah, it's almost like an IPV. A little bit. Cool, man. All right. Well, awesome. All right. So, Drew, let's move on. Oh, wait. My personal list? Oh, man. Yeah, what's yours? I got... All right. So, this is going to be more of a selfish plug. So, if you guys just can't get enough of Drew and Ian, if this week, once a week thing, twice a week thing isn't enough, so we were... Get ready to drop your panties. Yes. We were graciously invited to be the hosts. You hear that first, folks? the hosts of Titletown Pinball in De Pere, Wisconsin. They're doing a four-player pin golf 18-hole skins format tournament this Saturday, June 27th. It's going to start at noon, and it's going to go until 5 p.m. It'll be broadcast on Twitch over at the Fox Cities Pinball, and also, let's see, Minnesota Pinball. That's MN underscore pinball. So both of those channels will have Drew and I hosting this pinball tournament. So this Saturday, like I said, June 27th. So we are super honored and excited. They only wanted us there because we're fun and ridiculous and not because of our pinball knowledge. So if you're tuning in and you're like, yeah, these guys don't know shit about this game. We're like, what? We don't want to disappoint. We don't know shit about the game. Eric, if you're listening now from Title Town. We don't know these names. Well, one is Whitewater, which I know. One's Whitewater. I know Whitewater pretty well. And one's Metallica. You've owned. Yep. So, no, there are some games, like I said, of the challenge, and one's Meteor. Yeah. Who gets the high score? I can follow that. Yeah, no doubt. There's some rules. That's the challenge. So what this is is every game, they picked a different challenge for it. Yep. It's not high score, except on Meteor. It's like, can you get to this mode?
    56:07
    Can you do that? Like on Metallica, it's called Seek and Destroy. When you finish all the hurry-ups, you get to Seek and Destroy. Sure. So we're all excited. We're going to drive. It's about three hours from us, and we're going to get there. And we'll tear some shit up. We'll probably make it as ridiculous as we can, like poor men usually do. They didn't ask that many. They didn't ask Kaneda. They didn't ask Moppy.
    56:30
    Nobody asked Moppy. But, yeah, they asked us, so we're super honored, super excited to do this. It is. It's going to be a lot of fun. I've never been to Titletown, and it's a pretty awesome lineup they have. Yeah, they have, I don't know, what, 30, 40 games. It's a cool place. It's not an arcade. They just host a lot of tournaments and different events there, basically. Yeah, in Episode 4, Eric's going to be with us, too, so he'll be with us hanging out. No, we're going to have a lot of fun. No, it's going to be good. He said get there as early as you can. You play as many games as you want. I'm like, I'm into that. Yeah, super cool. You know, one of those elusive titles that I can never find and I always hear great things about is The Shadow, and they have one there, so I might just park my ass in front of The Shadow and just play The Shadow. I got to get their lineup, but I'm sure it's fantastic. Yeah, their lineup's pretty ridiculous. So I'm excited, and, yeah, you'll see us this Saturday, June 27th from noon until 5, Fox City's Pinball on Twitch and also MN underscore Pinball on Twitch. So we're pretty excited. Super excited. Yeah. But personal pinball. Are you guys commenting on the stream? Like you guys are going to be talking about what teams came in? Yeah, so we're going to be kind of color commentary, if you will. So there's four participants, and they're doing this 18-hole thing. And like I said, so each game is a different challenge. Yep. So we're going to be watching, and we're going to be... Commentating, and then there's also going to be people that are also there, part of Titletown, and they're also going to be with us. Do you talk? They know the games a little bit better than we do, so they will be able to kind of answer more questions. We are literally there to get excited and to chat with the people online and get kind of stupid on air. And keep it PG-13, though. I don't know. I didn't ask. I'm going to send them a message. PG, PG-13, or rated R. I don't think we'll bring our buttholes and dicks there. That's all I got, bro. I got a bag of them.
    58:32
    You got a bag of dicks? We've got a bag of buttholes. We've got a bag of buttholes, a bag of dicks. What are we doing? Where should we set up?
    58:40
    Eric, where can I set my buttholes and dicks? I'm all ready. Just kidding, Eric. They're fans of the podcast. They know who we are. They invited us. We'll try. I don't know. Do you get to drink while you're doing it? Yes. We're going to. All night. We're going to drink while you're doing it. Wait, wait, wait. Steve, Parnell, I don't understand the question.
    59:01
    What a silly question. Yeah, nobody tells Drew and I what we can and can't do with our liver. Is this the day that Drew is drinking? In most days, the answer is yes. So the whole point of this thing is just to kind of promote, you know, tournament play again. Their goal is to get people excited about tournament play and try to get some of these things up and running again. And this isn't going to be sponsored by the IFPA. It's not sanctioned. There's no offer point. It's sponsored by the Porn Man Pinball Podcast.
    59:38
    I didn't say sponsored. I meant sanctioned. It's not sanctioned by the IFPA. Oh, I knew what I said. But we're super excited, and I think they want us to kind of bring that energy to get people excited about competitive pinball again. So we're pumped, dude. Fuck yeah. I love it. All right. And then also my personal news, my Oktoberfest is I got half the rubbers on because the rubbers were shit. And then they're falling apart. There's one that takes like 100 screws to get to the smallest rubber in the game. There's a reason why I got to half of them because the first half of the play field, not bad. The second half, it's fucking good. I told Ian, just cut the rubber and tie a rubber band there because it is.
    60:18
    I don't know how I'm going to get to it. It's literally one of those, like, I don't know, what is it, like, inch and a quarter rubbers. You know, it's not very big. It's just this tiny rubber. But you literally have to take off, like, the biggest ramp in the world. It's right underneath the goddamn bar, you know, the bar and the corkscrew. Otto's there. The corkscrew's there. And this rubber is almost unnecessary, and it's about to snap. So, I don't know, dude. You're SO. So, was this from a route or something? Yeah, it was at a brewery. It was at a brewery in Michigan. I picked it up. It didn't get a lot of plays.
    60:56
    He said 4,000 plays. He didn't make a ton of money on it. So that's why he was letting it go. All the kids like Deadpool. So he was like, what the? You know, American Pinball is like, you're a brewery. You're going to love this. It's going to make you so much money. And then the kids are like, cool, Deadpool. It's just what happens. Unless you're a fucking drinker and an old white guy like me. I'm into the theme. But you ask a thousand people, Deadpool or Oktoberfest, you know, 900 of them are going to say Deadpool. So it's just the way it is. What are your guys' thoughts on Oktoberfest? Just curious.
    61:32
    I haven't played it. Which one? I haven't played it either. You guys haven't played it? Up where we live, there's like, we have a bar owner that has a couple, four games, and that's it. Like, there's not much on route up here. So we have to go a couple hours south to the Twin Cities. do you guys hit up like the pinball shows at all or no so i used to go to mgc okay and then once they moved to that big arena place i i kind of got turned off because uh did you guys go to that mgc yeah yeah yeah we go it's it's like we're literally a few minutes away yeah it's 10 minutes from us so did you go like four or five years ago uh i've been on and off since 2000 when they were It was just after Jaguar Fest or Jag Fest they used to call it. Oh, okay. So I would say I'm an MGC veteran. So I've seen it at the Olympia Hotel, and then it was at the – what's the other hotel it was at? Sheridan. The Sheridan, and then now it's at the Convention Center.
    62:36
    Yeah it downtown part of Milwaukee But you know the hotels are nice but they also like he outgrew all those hotels I mean when you have games up in the hallways it just not good They had a bunch of consoles set up in literal hotel rooms Yeah, it's not weird. You walk in a hotel room, and there's 15 people looking at you. Hey, bro. It was honestly one of those, like, parties in high school or college where you're just like, hey, what's going on, you know, and there's people smoking. Yeah. And you go to this hotel room, and there's people playing video games, but it's like an exhibit. It's like a landline thing. They all look at you like, excuse me. And this wasn't like one room or two rooms. This was like ten. They blocked off like ten rooms. It's cool, man. Well, because it's a standard-sized hotel. They didn't have a big, you know, they had one room, and then they had to put everything else wherever they could. I thought the convention center was pretty awesome. No, it was. If you guys haven't been, I mean, we were really sad to not see it this year. We had Dan Lewson on earlier, and he may hate us now, but we had him on, and it was awesome. Yeah, yeah. One of the founders of MGC, Dan Lewson. Yeah, we got way too hammered and forgot he was here.
    63:49
    Yeah, that was the time we learned a lesson not to drink while we're doing interviews. All right. Anyway. True story. Go ahead.
    63:57
    What episode is that? We need to get that so people can listen. No, people need to ignore that. No. That's terrible. Look up the MGC. Delete it from the record. It never happened. That was probably episode, like, 15 or 20. He's still my friend on FaceTime. That's all I care about. All right. So here I am. Let's move on. Moving on. This is just going so fast because I'm having so much fun. Guys, I'm super excited you guys are on. So it's been great.
    64:25
    Is there anything else you guys want to share? Otherwise, we're going to move on to the next segment. Moving on. So we got some pinball news. We got Stern. Did you guys see they released a Turtles Rules, spelled R-O-O-L-Z, which I don't like. That's kind of weird. That's so rad. Yeah, totally rad.
    64:43
    I'll be honest. I was a little put off by that. However, it is very cool. They put out a full guide sheet. It's not very complicated. It just kind of goes through the rules, and I think all pinball manufacturers should do that going forward. What do you guys think?
    64:59
    Oh, totally agree. I think the rule sheet is one of the first things I check when I go play something en route. Or you've got to beat your friends in league. Sure, sure, but they don't usually do too many official ones. I know Jersey Jack had their flow chart for Willy Wonka and stuff, but I think this was just a really good way because it was well laid out, you know.
    65:19
    Yeah. And I think they did something similar with Jurassic Park, but before that they weren't really doing that, so it's kind of cool to see. I want to say you're right. I want to say Jurassic Park had one, and then nothing else.
    65:37
    Randomly, they've done them, though. I want to say there was a couple games, like, years ago that they would randomly put, like, a mini rule sheet out. Sure. But it wasn't in-depth. Sure. I think the Jurassic Park one probably has to do largely in part with Keith Allen, if I had to guess. Oh, I bet. He's pretty active on trying to be a good... He's very much into the rules. He obviously designs the rules in his games, and very cool because I don't even think, like I said, they had one for Iron Maiden, but he probably said, hey, we really need one because, you know, these games, well, and part of it is these games have gotten more complex over the last 10 years. Well, when you need a fucking flow chart for Waka, you're in trouble, pal. No, absolutely. I mean, you know, you go from, you know, shit, name it. I mean, you know, games from the 90s was like, you know, you just shoot that. Like Medieval Madness. Shoot Creature three times. Shoot the castle, you know, pretty easy. Break down the castle. All the inserts. Yeah. And that's, you know, Attack from Mars, all those Williams games from that era where that was the way to do it. And, you know, kind of cool. So, anyways, that's what it is.
    66:46
    Heavy Metal, they finally released in all their glory. What do you guys think? It's just a remake of the Star Wars home pin.
    66:54
    So, have you played the Star Wars home pin? uh yes we did we played it at uh expo last year right so did we no we didn't yeah it was there no are you sure try again yeah if i know yeah drunk yeah so um no it's uh it's did you find it enjoyable uh just the layout just the shooting yeah it's it's a fun it's a fun pinball game i mean you know like you know like the the cliche they're they're all great they're all fun but But, you know, and there were a couple things on there that were better than the Star Wars regular pen, you know, the way they had the star set up. So you had to get the drop targets to get in there. But just from a purely layout standpoint, it's, you know, it's simple. So, you know, it is what it is. It's not for us, I guess, you know.
    67:47
    I feel the same way about it. Sorry, you go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, like, there's some people that think it's better playing than the pro Star Wars. So because the gameplay is fun, I can see it being good for home use. I just can't justify the price. Like, it's licensing and then trying to make a buck off people who are obsessed with heavy metal. Correct. Well, and that's the thing. The Star Wars home pin, you can get street price for, I think, like $3,500. You know, shipping your house. Maybe $4. But it's still, you know, it's not terrible. And I honestly, I considered it. I always said if they could make those home pins for $29.99, I'd probably buy one.
    68:32
    You know, they had Spider-Man, they had Star Wars, two big themes that appealed to me, but not at that price point, if that makes sense. Well, what's Heavy Metal again? Heavy Metal is $8,300. Yeah, they can go fuck themselves. So, no, so, okay, so let's just do this. That's not for me or Heavy Metal fans. Have you seen those fans? Yeah.
    68:53
    I'm going to give you credit, Kaneda. Canada. It keeps sounding different every time I say it. Sorry, bud. No, I'm channeling my inner Kaneda here because they can sell the Star Wars, the biggest license in the world, right? Home pin for $4,000. Why is this $3,300?
    69:15
    Right. It is the same design, the same bill of materials, minus a couple, sure, right? Sorry. Twice as much. I think the reason is, and I'm just guessing, well, because the Star Wars Home Pin is a Stern game, right? Yeah. It has a license. Now you have a third-party contract where they're putting their price tag on it as well. Double? Yeah. Double and then some. I'm sure they're trying, they're like, we got a pinball machine. What was Primus? Primus was $79.99. Again, do you think people are buying at that price, though? I guess that's what it comes down to. Not pinheads. No, no, correct. Because the rumor, I'm not 100% sure. I think they're only making like 100 of them or 150 or something. Yeah, it's a small run. It's limited.
    70:05
    That's the difference. But once again, even with that difference, Star Wars, biggest license in the world, where they can sell as many as they want for $4,000 and make a pretty nice profit. Why is this one $8,300?
    70:21
    And I'm not going to poo-poo people for buying it. If you're a heavy metal fan, everyone has that weird license that they like that no one else really likes, right? And if you have that kind of money, sure, you go do it. You're just like, yeah, oh, I can't believe they made this, so I'm going to buy it. but for me, the value just isn't there. I'm going to be like Shark Tank. I'm out.
    70:47
    There's just no way I can justify that kind of money for that theme for what it is. That's all. But if you're a heavy metal fan, great. Buy it. I'm not going to be mad at you.
    71:01
    Yeah. I mean, with a limited run like that, I can see it kind of working. And don't quote me on that. Overpriced toppers. They sold out. It doesn't matter. Sure. And don't quote me on that, but I know with, like, Primus, that's kind of how it was. Primus, as far as I understand with Primus, Primus the band actually bought, like, 100 units.
    71:23
    And then, so Primus the band bought 100 units for, I don't know, I'm just making out a number now, 500,000. And then they sell them for 800,000, you know, they make 300 grand, you know, something like that. Right. That's how that works. so Heavy Metal is probably going to buy these for $4,000 or $5,000 and then they're going to sell them for whatever they sell them and then they reap the benefits have you seen Stern's website because I mentioned this on Pinside years ago where they have a link where you can they even says we'll make you a contract game and you can fill out a form and have whatever the hell you want made I don't discredit that because like I said they already have these platforms they have the Spider-Man game and they have the Star Wars game and then they have the Primus, Wonalli so they have three platforms you can choose from so in these cases Supreme, pick the Spider-Man one Primus pick the Wonalli one and Heavy Metal pick the Star Wars one right? Right. So, yeah, if we want to make a poor man's pinball podcast, Pin, which we're doing, by the way. Yeah, right. Don't listen to that shit. So we contract Stern like we did, and I said, hey, Gary. Well, Mustang was a contract game? I want, sure. Why not? Mustang would do it. Ford Mustang? I didn't know that was a contract game. I didn't know that. It's on the contract site. So, no, actually, that makes a lot of sense to me. I didn't know that. You just said. So it shows Supreme, Heavy Metal, Primus, Can Crusher, Mustang, and Harley-Davidson. Good camp, huh? Sure. Well, that makes sense because those are all big licenses that they wouldn't necessarily want to make. But those are big. Were those contract games, Harley-Davidson and Mustang? Yeah, because Harley-Davidson, if you look it up. Do you guys know that, Steve, far enough? No. No, I knew they made them, but I didn't know they were, like, because they had the Stern name on them, so I didn't know that they were technically contracted. Because think about it. If you're Stern, you're not going to say, oh, we want to make a Corvette game, we want to make a Mustang game. That's Mustang.
    73:46
    I thought it was the partnership. Sure. Well, it could be, too. But anyway, if they're selling Star Wars for $4,000, what do you think their bill of material is on it? Probably $2,000, right? Yeah. I would say so. Yeah. So this heavy metal game, they can probably make for $2,000, $2,200, $2,300. Like I said, they'll sell it to heavy metal for $5,000, and then they sell them each for $8,000. They make $3,000 on each one. Right. It's a win for everybody. Mm-hmm. Drew's doing the numbers, kid. I am. George Gomez, are you listening? I know what's going on here. This is why Drew and I work so well. I bring a little bit of rock and roll, and Drew brings whatever Drew brings. My abacus. Your abacus. All right, let's move on. Too late. This show's already done. It's off the rails. As always. Spooky. LCD Gate. Oh, God. Kaneda. What is this? Because I don't... I'm going to go through this really quickly. Kaneda. Chris. I don't call him Canadian. I call you Chris. Christopher. Because we're best friends. No, because he needs to be called out. Christopher.
    74:55
    I love you, man, but a fucking LCD. It looks fine. I've seen the prototype. I've seen the real type. They look great. Okay? Change your contrast. Now, I don't begrudge him for doing it. He wants the best of the best. He owns a Dodge Demon. Not the best of the best, by the way. Ooh, fighting words.
    75:14
    Don't just... It's a fucking LCD. Like, LCDs are cool. Go ahead. No, I just wanted to get everyone caught up to speed. I know you're... You know what? Just keep going. You're on a roll. Yeah, keep going. Keep going. I want to see where this goes.
    75:28
    Keep going with that. Keep going. Let me go. No, like, it's fine. You know, you weren't happy with the washed-out colors, as you say. You weren't happy with the decals. You got everyone Mylar decals. I applaud you for that. That's cool. And that just shows you what kind of company Spooky is. Spooky's like, hey, yeah, we had this issue. You know, this particular part on our product didn't, you know, perform like it should. They redo them. So if everyone isn't up to speed on that, they had some issues with their target decals. They were kind of peeling off, so they myelared them and made them fine, and Spooky did the right thing. But the LCD, yeah, there are different grades of LCD. Some are better than others. But you can change the contrast. You can do this and that. I'm not looking at the LCD. To be fair, all right, so let's just get everyone up to speed. You went in hot, man. You went in hot. I'm tired of talking. All right, so this is what I bring to the podcast. He counts me down. Jesus Christ. Nobody knows what you're talking about. He's cutting my head right now. He's cutting me. He's stroking it. He is. He's always stroking me. Yeah, it's fine. It's okay. You did good, Big Cat. He's a good big cat. All right. So here we go. Little Baskins. Yeah, little Baskins.
    76:47
    So let's get even part now. So what happened was, so Kaneda has Rick and Morty, and he noticed that the blacks were kind of washed out on the monitor, the LCD screen, and it was bugging him. And he thinks because of the angle of the screen, the viewing angle is kind of goofy. So he actually had to, like, crouch down to get, like, the blacks to turn black. So he was getting all pissed off about it. So now, to be fair, nobody knew you could adjust those screens because you literally had to take the goddamn screen out. There's little adjusters behind everything. Fair enough. And nobody knew about that, really. I mean, maybe the TNA guys. Well, they did. The TNA, they had a similar issue. Well, maybe the TNA guys did. But TNA guys, a lot of them had this upgrade, this monitor upgrade. Sign up for Pinside. Oh, too soon? Yeah. Please kick back, Pinside.
    77:39
    But there were guys. I don't even know if Steve knows that Canada got banned from Pinside. Oh, he's been banned from Pinside. No, I do know that. Oh, okay. He's permabanned like you guys. You guys are in a permabanned club. Man, if you can get, like, fucking banned from Clav, you've done something bad. Because Clav is, like, also, it's almost worse. That's almost worse than Pinside. That site's all successful. Move past it. Anyway, moving back. That's our next checklist. Yeah, there you go, buddy. So anyway, so long story short, you know, he didn't know about adjusting the monitor. And there's a whole section of T&A owners that have this upgraded LCD screen. And that's where Kaneda got the idea. He said, I'm going to upgrade the LCD. And then he upgrades it. Everyone gets so mad at him every time he does something.
    78:33
    That is bullshit. I do give you that, Chris. That was both because people are like, well, fuck. I know there's better LCD screens. Fuck off. Yeah, they're crazy. Pinside's just ravenous with Chris. So Kaneda upgrades his machine, which is fine. We do it every time. Every day we upgrade a damn LCD screen or anything. If we can find an upgrade, I'm doing rubbers. All right? Not everything is falling apart, but I'm upgrading them because these rubbers are bullshit. Yeah, whatever. Sure. So, an even longer story, shorter. So, yeah, everyone's giving Kaneda shit about it. He upgraded the screen. It looks great for him. Then people on Pinterest are like, why don't you just adjust the contrast? And then somebody posted, oh, yeah, you can go in. There are adjustments, but they're, like, behind fucking everything. Well, there was one guy who kept saying, look, and he kept posting pictures, and he wouldn't actually give the adjustments. Oh, the numbers. Yeah. Chris is like, fuck, just tell me what the blackness is. And this guy's like, look, here's a picture. And he's like, another picture? Yeah, what's the contract? Look, that's a picture. You know, so Chris, I get your frustration. And I get picky about, believe it or not, I get picky about things in pinball too. And I get frustrated with stuff. But my point is with this, no, that wouldn't bother me. So it is personal. Hey, pinball's subjective, right? You say it all the time on your show. I get it. I just wanted to call you out, give you a little bit of shit. I get it, man. You bought a $100 LCE, whatever. I spent more than that on fucking dinosaurs, you know, so it's fine. So what do you guys, I know you probably haven't shot it. I haven't shot it either. But what are your thoughts on the Rick and Morty game? Would you guys consider buying it sometime?
    80:18
    I love Rick and Morty. You do? I mean, I was pretty excited to see it. When it sold out, I was like, oh, well, there goes our hot to find a used one. and or play one on route.
    80:30
    I just don't know if it'll ever get cheap enough. You know what I mean? It will. I mean... Well, it's limited. I don't know. It is limited, but... But it's a spooky game? Like, people kind of... I don't know. They kind of shit on spooky. They do, but they're... Every time... Kind of like American Pinball, every time they release a new game, they get a little more crud.
    80:53
    Yep. A little more street crud. And now they're at a point... I mean, they're selling these games for $9,000, and guess what? They sold every single one of them. Yeah. So, good on them. Oh, yeah. No, it's a quality game. I think there's nothing wrong with it, and they'll be fine.
    81:07
    So, have you played it? Yes. A lot of the way it would. So, no, it's fun, and the best thing about it is the integration.
    81:19
    The integration of the cartoon is fantastic. so I highly recommend it and they're adding I listen to you guys talking to Eric because I don't know if you know Chris Steinbrink he's down near Lake Geneva nope okay Eric's been to I've been to a couple of Chris's tournaments or league nights and Eric is there and it's great talking to him he's a wealth of knowledge yeah Eric Eric's, yeah, that dude's on a whole other pinball planet. Like, he's forgotten more than I'll ever know. Yes, he knows his pinball. Yeah, that dude, and he's so sweet about it. He's like the sweetest man. I love that guy to death, so. Yeah, and his wife is super cool, too. She loves pinball. Yeah. Oh, Liz is the best. But shout out to Liz. So, yeah, have you guys ever had a game with an LCD screen that you felt like, fuck, I need to adjust this thing.
    82:23
    Just curious. No. No, my Gottliebs don't have that problem. I don't understand. I haven't been able to figure out how to adjust it. You know, what's funny about that is I got my Oktoberfest. I realize it's my first LCD screen. You know, I'm like, oh, shit, I have an LCD screen now. I feel like I'm part of the club now. Now I can have a podcast. I don't know.
    82:49
    Touche. I've had a few of them, and I just, you know, it's just one of those things. I mean, it is what it is. It provides what it provides. And, you know, nothing's going to beat Jersey Jack. I'm sure you're listening. That's true. You know, I mean, Jersey Jack, you know, what is the difference in cost between what these other companies do and what Jersey Jack does? You know, probably $50, $80, $100, you know. Oh, to get a bigger screen versus a smaller screen? Yeah. And, you know, like Jersey Jack screens, they're awesome and they're big, you know. So, I don't know. Are you guys a fan of the bigger screens or the smaller screens?
    83:24
    I think they both have their merit. I mean, obviously the bigger ones are cooler, but it also matters what the layout of the whole entire, you know, backboard looks like. Sure.
    83:35
    Yeah, because, like, JGP's screen is kind of big, but, like, they do a lot of animations, and sometimes there's just a lot of wasted space where, like, Stern's new screen seems to be a pretty decent size. I think Spooky says about that, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's definitely. that's a nice size because I still like having a big artwork. Yeah, kind of old school. I like the artwork too. And I'm with you guys, man. I'm a big fan of artwork in games. And like the older games, the artwork is just, yeah, jaw-dropping sometimes. The details, like, I don't know what I'll ever do. If I ever get in front of a Fathom, I might just creep my pants. It might happen. Dave has a Fathom. I know he does. That is a beautiful machine. I just, I want to see it in person. I want to touch it. I want to get a picture with it. He's just thinking about it. Yeah.
    84:28
    I got to talk to him. Maybe he's got, I don't know, never mind. He's probably got a thousand fathoms sitting in his garage ready to get restored. Flippin' out pinball. You want a new Stern? Boom, we have you covered. You want a new Chicago Gaming Company remake? Boom, we have you covered. You want a brand new Shiny from JJP? Guess what? Boom, we have you covered again. P3 Multimorphic? We can do that, too. We got mods, shaker motors, even some used pinball inventory. Flippin' Out Pinball also sells the Stair Climbing Escalera Hand Truck. Email Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball or call or text 812-457-9711. Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball. Flip, letter N, Out Pinball. Anyway, all right, what's next? Pinball.
    85:12
    Hey, Steve Parnell, did you know we're shills for American pinball now? Steve, what? We got called out by Kaneda. We keep talking about Kaneda. He's like our best friend. No. Kaneda, really? Shows for American Pinball. Here's the deal, okay? Drew rehearsed this in the mirror this morning. No. I'm just upset. Drew doesn't get upset. I believe in you, Drew. I believe in you. Thank you, guys. You can do it, Drew. You can do it. You know, here's the thing. Did we show Hot Wheels? No. And I'll tell you why. And American Pinball, I hope you're listening, because I will echo the sentiments from the last couple shows. Is it a good game? Yes. I think Hot Wheels is a fun game. I think it's a good family game. I think if you like Hot Wheels, you're going to like the game. I think it has just as much in it, if not more, than Black Knight Sword of Rage. People argue about that. Is that a good game or not? We're not going to get into that now because we don't have time. However.
    86:15
    We're out of time, Chris. We're never out of time. We do what the fuck we want. But here's the thing. Chris Kaneda. Chris too cool for school. Clarice.
    86:25
    No, I'm not a show for American Pinball, and this is why. Okay? This is going up against Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I am buying a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I am not buying a Hot Wheels. I'm saying that out loud. This isn't a knock on American Pinball. This is just what it is. the theme of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is awesome. I really want to wait for Guns N' Roses. You keep telling me it's going to come out, so that's shame on you because it's not.
    86:56
    It's not coming out? Nope, not coming out ever, ever in the history of the world. No, it is. But you know what I'm saying. So, like, I have these choices, right? Hot Wheels looks super cool. I played with Hot Wheels. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Guess what? Not a show. It's not a theme for me. That's it. The game? Fucking cool. Yes. There's nothing wrong with that. So I know you were ranting. You're like me. You were super hot when you were ranting about that, Chris. You're so mad at us. I am. Yeah, he was. He was mad at us. He was. He thought, all right, so here's my, can I just interject here real quick? Go ahead. Just a couple points. I'm cooling down a little bit. Well, it's a lot of hyperbole from him. Hyperbole. Sorry, hyperbole. Super hyperbole. I've been drinking. Hyperbole from him.
    87:43
    We said that Hot Wheels is the next coming. Yeah. Which is fucking hilarious, because all we said is it's another good step for American pinball. Yeah, it looks like a fun game that everyone wants to play. The artwork, animations, sound, and gameplay are a complete package for American pinball. They're all on the same level. Like, they're doing it. It's not, oh, the animations suck. Oh, the artwork sucks. But the layout looks fun. It's not like that. It's the package. The package is a good step for American Pinball, is it not? I think so. Yeah. All right. And once again, I'm just. What was the other fucking thing you said? Oh, man. It was one more thing. You know what, Chris? Fuck off.
    88:28
    It's fine. Yeah. We love you. Well, fuck off. Yeah. No. Get off our dick. I'm sorry. Get off my butthole.
    88:36
    Yeah. It's just, like I said, I decided on Turtles. So I have the choice right now. And guess what? the Hot Wheels is even cheaper. So I could buy a Hot Wheels and not a Turtles, but I'm buying a Turtles premium. I still stand by the whole argument that this is a complete package for American Pinball. It's a step in the right direction. I did do some research. You did mention Black Knight Sword of Rage. Oh yeah, go ahead. The pro. I did the research. I looked at both matrixes, okay?
    89:02
    Black Knight Sword of Rage Pro, a game that I've been very critical of not having a lot of shit in it, has more shit in it than Hot Wheels.
    89:12
    What? What do you mean? So, here we go. You better explain yourself, sir. No, here we go. Ready? It's close. Best game ever created. It's close. What's that? Wait. Sorry, guys. What were you saying? No, no. You just continue. You say your thing first. All right. Steve thinks it's the greatest game since sliced bread. Black Knight? The pro? I love it. Oh, no, no, no, no. Well, I'll tell you what. I love them all, but I just love the new one. But you volunteer what you're going to say. Well, all right. So we're all up to speed. The Black Knight Sword of Rage Pro, I feel, is, and I've said it, it feels stripped down. It feels like a money grab. It feels like one level, doesn't it? It is one level.
    89:52
    But I feel like that second level with the premium, I mean, it changes the game, and I really, really like that about the premium. No, no, I'm being serious, though. There's like two ramps on there, but it feels like a one-level game, doesn't it? It does. Yeah. You're right. So, all right. So this is what the Matrixes say, okay? This is coming from Stern's website and American Pinball's website. Maybe they don't explain it enough, maybe, on American Pinball's site, but here we go. This is one of the features they both start with, and I think that's hilarious. But Stern gets even more flip.
    90:31
    Stern does a really fucking funny job, like, describing it like it's an amazing thing. So Stern says Black Knight Sword of Rage Pro has two full-sized flippers.
    90:45
    Wait, this is their official release? That's on their matrix. Hot Wheels says they have two flippers. All right, thank you, American Pinball, for not... They're not full-sized, though. Black Knight Sword of Rage Pro, 24 LEDs. Hot Wheels, 140 RGB lights. That's a big difference. That's a huge difference. But I'm sure the Black Knight Slaughter Rage Pro might have a few more flashes because I think Hot Wheels only has two flashes. But they didn't mention their flashes on Stens, okay? So they both have two spinners.
    91:16
    Here's where you kind of lose it a little bit, American Pinball. You have, you know, Black Knight Slaughter Rage has the Black Knight mech, right, the main center mech. Hot Wheels, I just wrote car spinny thing because I don't know. No, that's true. That's true. So Black Knight Sutter Rage Pro, real quick, three pops, two slings, two vucks, and three bank of drop targets. Hot Wheels, three pops, two slings, one vuck, and one kicker. Two drop targets. Two drops. Yeah. Okay? So they lose a little bit on the drops.
    91:52
    Black Knight Pro, and now I'm not, I've played it a lot, but I can't picture it. They say two electronic gates, and I'm not exactly sure what that means. Just ball locks? Are those like ball locks that come up? Yeah, I think that's what I've been talking about, yeah. Yeah, the one, the gate, and then... So obviously Hot Wheels doesn't have any of that. Hot Wheels has one magnet. Black Knight Soda Rage Pro has one magnet. Black Knight Soda Rage Pro, see how they do this? They say, we have one magnet, and then the next one under there, we have a magnet. Okay, well, that's your fucking magnet, bro. Both have six balls.
    92:27
    three stand-ups over at Hot Wheels, and they have, I think they also have three more stand-ups that are like car collectible stand-ups, so they can collect more cars. Sure. I think that's part of the rule set.
    92:44
    Anyway, but then it gets down to how many shots are there in the game. So this is the big separator because Hot Wheels has six straight up. There's the two outer orbits. There's the two interorbits. There's the RPM kind of shot. So there's six lanes all together, and then there's another lane that also feeds a kickback. So seven lanes. There's six lanes. One, two, three, four, five, and then there's a kickback lane. So six. Six lanes.
    93:14
    Black Knight Sword of Rage does three lanes you can shoot through, but their center bash toy, depending on how you view it, They have the Maceplane. They have the Bash Center. And then there's the Shield.
    93:33
    So you're kind of shooting the same thing, but not really. Well, I'd argue the Bash toy is just the target. At the end of the day, they're damn similar. If not, Hot Wheels falls slightly short. Slightly. Sure. The main big deal, and we had a tribe member play this game. I'm not going to call him out, but we talked a bit. Call him out. No, I'm not going to do it. He was messaging us in good faith. But he played it and his main critique was there just wasn that one thing There was no loop There was no mechs There was It was fun Oh I know who it is but I not going to call him out either Yeah, it was fun, but it was missing that one thing. At least Black Knight Sword of Rage has that one thing. Now, I've been critical of Black Knight Sword of Rage being stripped down, so I am kind of a... I would agree with Kaneda a little bit, saying maybe I hyped Hot Wheels a little too soon. I should play it. I'm going to play it. Well, and here's the thing about Sword of Rage, too.
    94:29
    What they did with the LCD is very cool. Yeah. You know, that game as a whole is okay, once again, but not a game I would buy based on some of these things. All right. So that's my Matrix comparison. Okay. That's fine. On the floor it goes. So what do you guys think? Now, does it feel stripped down because it is stripped down? Because you're saying it feels like it, but that's because it is. It's the pro version of a game that is multi-level and has a lot more jazz to it versus another game where it comes at it, this is all it has. This is everything that it's got. So you're saying it feels stripped down because you're comparing it, I feel like, to the limited edition or to the premium.
    95:14
    Does that make sense? It does. No, I agree. but I will also say though I played the pro first and I even when I played it I was like oh and then I played the premium and was like oh much better and I feel like the comparison didn't start up until well it did it started right away I felt like the pro I don't know I just you know the problem was too and this is probably the big problem with it when I played it I also was at the Wonka reveal and we just played Wonka. Sure. And going from Wonka to the Pro. Yeah, that's a big shift. That was a huge shift. That's a huge shift. But I'm just going to make a broad statement here that may or may not make a difference in my drunk ass, but I hear you giggling there.
    96:03
    You know, any company, any reputable company that can actually manufacture games, you know, they come out with a good theme with lots of good shots, you know, they're going to win. But if, you know, if they don't have to, meaning if there's not a lot of competition, if, you know, other companies aren't, you know, I'm talking to Stern, obviously. If other companies aren't producing games at such a cadence that to compete, then, you know, we're not going to see all this great stuff. but I'm just looking for a good team with lots of good shots, and they'll have a winner, but no one seems to be able to kind of put the whole package together. Does that make sense?
    96:52
    Yeah, it does. Because those games you were talking about. Yeah, because right now it's like they can get away with what they're doing because they're going to sell games. And even to a company like American Pinball, they come out with this Hot Wheels. Yeah, it's stripped down. and they're selling it for less money. Now they're competing in a lower price point. You know, I'm talking about games they might even sell for $8,000 or $9,000 or $10,000, but putting a bunch of stuff in, you know, the company that does that will win that category. But, you know, in the $6,000 stripped-down category, it is what it is. Does that make sense, too? Maybe. So let's go into our top three list. Usually it's our top five, but there's four of us. It's going to take forever to do top five. Yeah, top three it is. So we're going to do top three games you would recommend for a home use only during quarantine lockdown and why. So painting the picture, you're at home, you have three games. Any three games, doesn't matter how much they cost. And these aren't in order. These are just the three games you'd pick. Three games. I did mine in order, but that's cool. It took me four weeks to come up with them, but that's fine.
    97:58
    But, yeah, we're just three games that you would love to have during quarantine so you can just play the shit out of them. All right? So our guests should go first. Let's go start with Parnell. Parnell!
    98:13
    What's your number three, buddy? Do you know how hard this was? It was super hard. I was looking at the list. I was like, oh, fuck me. I've had 10 different lists in the last 24 hours.
    98:23
    All I could think of was the games that I own. I'm like, oh, which three do I want? I'm like, you dumbass. There's a whole bunch of games.
    98:30
    Gottliebs aren't involved in here. We just have to mention that. Yeah, no Gottliebs. Just kidding, Dennis Creasel. I called my buddy and I said, hey, here's what we got to do, or here's what I got to do. What are your recommendations? And he kind of set me down the path that makes a little sense in my mind. So to have a mix, I would have an EM, a solid state, and a DMD.
    98:57
    And I'd probably take the one EM that I want is a Grand Prix. Um, so you got a Grand Prix, it has two spinners, some drop targets. I think it's four player so I can get my wife, uh, to battle me if she so chooses. And then career solid state. No, no, no. We'll just do that one. Number three. So number three is a Grand Prix. Okay. So you, all right. You, I like how you went about it. That's cool, man. That's cool as shit. So what is it about Grand Prix that, that, that makes you want to play the shit out of that game? out of all the EMs? Because there's a shit ton of them. Yeah, there are. Like my play ball, I just fell upon. It was like Drew's games. It just kind of came in my lap. Came in your lap. Interesting. Yeah.
    99:48
    That's what she said. I don't like old games. When I got into the hobby, I didn't like old games, and now I'm getting into them. So now it's what's fun about old games? Spinners and drop targets. and more than one player. And Grand Prix is supposedly rated as a top, you know, competitor or competition game and has all the main features that people like, and so that's why I want it. I also like car racing. I used to have a track car, so. Oh, cool. All right. Awesome. No, that sounds great, man. All right. Steve, what's your number three, bud?
    100:25
    So I went about it in a different way. I went, I wanted a game that had, like, a deep story in it that we could go with. You want to spend a lot of time with this game. So for that one, I went with I probably should just tell you the theory first. Sorry. I wanted a story game, I wanted a music game, and I wanted just a fun game. So for my story game, I went with Lord of the Rings. It's got it's a deep game. It's a game that you can play for a long time. It's got all sorts of really cool call-outs. I love the voice acting in it. The music is great. The lighting is great. It's a fun game.
    101:04
    Excellent choice. Drew, why don't you go, bud? Well, I thought along those lines, and Lord of the Rings was in one of my mixes, but I was like, you know what? That's too common. Everyone's going to choose that for throwing that out. Oh, okay. So we are going with another one we've been talking about all day, because I just want to get some time on it, and I think in the quarantine it would be great. And boobs of Iris House on Wheels. alright yeah I mean that game it's just like I said I'm considering buying it I don't know why you know I'm like I'm spending all this money on turtles and then I was like what else can I get for this and it shows up I'm not you know what I mean I'm not convinced yet so that Elvirus House of Horrors great game Lime and Sheets is one of my favorites Talica is one of my favorite games all the time that guy knows how to code games yeah we have a local bar that has an Elvirus so we play the shit out of it and it's so good man it's so good nice such a game And they had it next to a Scared Stiff. And, yeah, we kept going to the House of Horrors. Yeah. Like, Scared Stiff is fun. It is a fun game. But for what it, you know, that's another one. I don't, I don't, I'm going to set the world on fire. I don't see the value in Scared Stiff. No. You know, for the same $7,000, I'd rather buy a virus House of Horrors. Oh. See, that's my next game. Scared Stiff. No, Scared Stiff's fun. It is. No, no. So, my question is. I like Scared Stiff because, one, yeah, it is fun, but, two, they have a lot of innuendo call-outs. Have they updated House of Horrors to have that stuff? Yeah. Yeah, it's something that's hard to hear in there because, you know, it's a bar. But, yeah, I think they've done a good job with it. And, yeah, it's cool. And it's got some of that innuendo. So, yeah, I don't think you'd be – if you're an Elvira fan, you won't be disappointed with it for sure. Good. Number three, what do you got in there? My number three, a game I've always wanted. It's just out of my price range. It's a game that I think could have a pretty good story. Nothing's out of your price range. Yeah. My poor man, brother.
    103:10
    It's a game that I love the theme. It's a top two theme for me. Indiana Jones, the pinball adventure from Williams. I just feel like I don't have enough time on that game, and every time I play it, I suck at it. and I'd like to get really good at that game. And there's a lot to that game, and I would love to explore that more and deeper. And I think quarantine would be a perfect time to just sit back and get my Indy on. So, Indiana Jones, boom.
    103:43
    Yeah, it's a fun one. All right. All right, now, number two. Parnell, you're up. All right, number two, we're going to go into the solid state era. and there are a lot of good Gottlieb solid steaks. So this was a really hard one to pick. Just kidding. You said no Gottliebs. So many Gottliebs to choose from.
    104:08
    Gottliebs are cool, man. We all love Gottliebs. Ryan Kuyper and Dave Brennan are punching themselves in the dick right now. They're so mad. Guys, we love Gottliebs. Dennis Creasel, don't worry. Gottliebs are great. Albert, you're fine. Orbital Albert, you're good. We love Gottliebs. All right, go for it.
    104:26
    Hey, you know what my first game was? Stargate. No, Waterworld. It's my most favorite fucking game ever. Waterworld's awesome. It is fun. That's a fun game. It's a poor man's medieval. It is totally, big time. Just saying. All right, so my number one solid state, I think, for quarantine, not that it's my favorite, but is Diner. oh I like me some Diner yeah I've never gotten very far in it at my buddy's house so I think it'll be a fun one to play, get deep on in the rules and I don't know if it'd get that boring because I'd probably suck at it the shots are great Diner is a cool game and talk about racial stereotypes gotta love it so no taxes I thought maybe a taxi would pop up. You like Diner more than taxi?
    105:27
    Taxi got me into System 11, but I think Diner has more fun shots. It's just harder. That's true. That's true, 100%. All right, Steve, what do you got, number two? So for my music one, I picked ACDC just because it's got great music. And so, for instance, if you're in quarantine and we're going by the system, I'm like, okay, well, you got your deep game. Or if I just wanted to have a fun time and listen to some great music, that was my ACDC one. So that's why I went with that one.
    106:00
    All right, cool, man. You know what? The ACDC's got some shots. It does. And I was debating. We're talking about music pans and stuff, and I know we have different criteria. And I was thinking about Taxi with the System 11 because that would be a cool game. But you know what? I'm going to go with the music theme for the number two here. The Beatles. Really? Yeah. Well, because once again, you know, it's a sea witch classic layout. Yeah. You know, it's fun. Those loops. I can repeat those loops over and over. That's it. Oh, don't get me wrong. I love me some Beatles. Yeah. I was just shocked that you would be like, all right, quarantine for a couple months. Give me some Beatles. Yep. That's cool, man. Well, you know, it's one of those things I haven't played a lot of it. So I could sit there and play it for a long time because I haven't experienced it. So I think it would be a good game. Martin says it's okay. Yeah, Martin. Martin, we need to hear from you again. Let us know how you're doing. Listener number 15, are you out there? All right.
    107:01
    So my number two, I picked this because I've played it a bunch. And I don't think I've shot everything in this game.
    107:11
    And you'll know why when I say the name. So I want to learn, and I've only played this game on location, so I'd actually like it in my home where I could sit down and actually learn what this game is all about and what the fuck is going on in this game. Twilight Zone. I think Twilight Zone would be a fun game to have. Good choice. And I've shot it a million times. I know I haven't hit everything in this game. There's a million things in this game. Yeah, if I had a good working Twilight Zone here, I would have a ball learning that game and figuring out what the hell I'm doing with it. So, Twilight Zone is my number two. Love it. Great, great choice. I forgot about that game. That is a really good game.
    107:56
    Thank you. What do you got, Parnell? What's your number one choice? I'm still dynamically changing this choice, but I think I'll stay with... We're at DMD, right? Yep, I think I'll stay with Metallica. Alright. Good, good choice. It's, it is, um, I don't know if I've ever beat Seek and Destroy.
    108:25
    Oh, wait, well I guess I've never, you know, because you, can't you play it four times? You play what? Seek and Destroy four times. There's four choices at once, right?
    108:37
    I've only got it once in a game, so I have no idea if you can do it again. I'm sure you can. Yeah. It's the hurry up, so you can probably just repeat, I would imagine.
    108:47
    Dude, I didn't even know it was a hurry up. I'm not good at people. You're on the right podcast, brother. You're in good company. Yeah, you're on the right podcast. You complete all the lights on each shot, and that's how you get seek and destroy. So, you know, the left shot has the snake and the cross and the, I even forgot, you know, because I haven't had that game in forever. But you complete all the lights on there on each shot, and then it starts to take and destroy.
    109:20
    Yeah, I just watch, like, if there's a Bowen tutorial, I watch that, and I just hammer it out. Yeah, Bowen's Bowen. Bowen makes that shit look too easy. I get discouraged. It's amazing watching him. He's like, oh, we just do this. and he goes, oh, I missed that one shot. And then he makes it, like, again. I'm like, really? Yeah, he misses it. He's so mad at himself. And I go, fuck this guy. I'll never hit that shot. Yeah, dude. Too good. Yeah, I love that they have the jukebox mode. So when it's just, here's what I hate about the jukebox mode is that when you turn it on, I wish it would just play through all the songs. Yeah. Where jukebox, it plays one song and it's done. well you can mess around with pin browsers so you can put multiple songs in one thing if you want so you know what I mean though right yeah you can basically mash together several songs and just have them run consecutively if you want to but yeah Metallica is a great great choice and it's the huh Tron's a funny story with my wife, but Metallica is kind of her game, so I kind of have to have it. Oh, you have Metallica, and she loves it?
    110:39
    Oh, yeah, it's like her jam. It was the first new in-box game I bought, and then it was also the first new in-box game that she was a rock, like when we were dating, and I kind of got it because she likes Metallica, so I thought, hey, maybe she'll get into pinball. she played a couple games, beat me and then she was done that was sneaky that's the one game I'm gonna buy again for sure okay, who's next?
    111:12
    I think that's me so I got my music game just the deep lore game and then just the fun game and that is of course, the Black Knight so You're killing me, Smalls. You're killing me. I knew it was coming. I love it, man. All right. And we talked about it. You are. Is this the quarantine campfire? He's loving this game. I love that. I love the enthusiasm. That's awesome. Black Knight 2, but I would not pick it in any top five list. Sorry. How could Stern ban us and we love Black Knight? Or Steve loves it. Just go with it. These guys love Black Knight. But Steve's got his Black Knight pajamas. He goes to sleep every night.
    112:00
    Too good. No, that's awesome, though, Steve. Yeah, no. Again, Black Knight, it's a great game. And, you know, as long as you love it, man, that's awesome. And the fact that it's a pro, you're going to fucking blow your wad at a premium, I think. I know.
    112:17
    Yeah. Yeah, exactly. because Parnell had the old Black Knight, where it had the double layer. And I knew when I played it, and I was like, geez, I can't wait to actually play the one that's got the second layer on it because that second level is going to add so much more to this game. So, I mean, in my head I was thinking, I'm at the bottom of the barrel, and I love this game right now. I just got to find one that's got two levels, and I'm just going to defeat Rock Hard the whole entire time.
    112:47
    There's not even a boob on it. And there's no boobs on it. Yeah, nope, nope. Not needed as long as you have a second level, no doubt.
    112:57
    All right, Drew, what's your number one, man? Well, I've gone back and forth, but, you know, me being a Stern fanboy, there's a game that I want to get more time on, so I'm just going with it, Deadpool. Yeah, Deadpool Premium. Got some drop targets. You got some cool code. You got that old 16-bit fighting. I mean, it's just awesome. That'd be one. It's a fun game. Good one to pass the time, yeah. Yeah, we have one on location here at another bar. And we would go there. They have an Attack from Mars, a Williams. They have a Deadpool. And then they have a Jurassic Park, Data East? Or was it The Lost World? Data East. The Data East Jurassic Park. Okay, so there was the three. And at first we played mostly Attack from Mars. Oh, incessantly, yeah. But it's been Deadpool. Yeah. It's been Deadpool. I want to get in front of a premium. I've yet to do that. See the disco ball. Okay, yeah. They have the drop targets on the sides instead of the stand-ups. All right. Pretty cool stuff. Okay, my number one, value pick. I consider it my value pick because this is my three games I can get in my base set for quarantine. So value, deep, deep, deep rule set, like even during quarantine. if I was only allowed one game. This would probably be the game because I hear it's incredibly deep. Three, I've only played this like twice, and I know the shots are really good, but I didn't know what the fuck I was doing in it. And four, I do dig the theme. That would be Jersey Jacks Pirates. Oh, wow. I'll make a good choice. Yeah. I almost thought you were going to say Waterworld. Yeah, I was close. Jersey Jacks, Waterworld. That's actually my number four. They're going to pull a fast one on us. It's not going to be Guns N' Roses. It's going to be Waterworld. Oh, my God. Can you imagine that? Kevin Costner. He's back. That glorious LCD Kevin Costner just sitting there half-ass acting about, you know, the world's full of water. Oh, yes, dude. 100%. I'd play that game. No, I think the Jersey Jack Pirates, there's just so much in there. There's no way on location you'd ever be able to get 5% of what's going on in that game. That is a homeowner game. Well, all the Jersey Jacks games. I mean, Wonka's okay for location, but, yeah, Dialed In and Hobbit, yeah, it's just. Going through all those in my head, I was like, I know they're all very deep. Like Wonka, I thought might be it, but I played Wonka enough to know that it's a phenomenal game, And it probably would have made my top five.
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    And Dialed In, too. Like, Dialed In's shots are really, really good. But, yeah, Pirates, I like the theme, and I haven't played it enough. That's all it is. It boils down to I've only played it a couple times. Because it was like fucking $2 a play at some bowling alley. Yeah, I think it was like $5 for like three plays or something. Too cheap for that shit. And then I fucking drained instantly on the left in lane drain or whatever. I don't know. Well, that was a good top three, guys.
    116:11
    Yeah, that game right there, that was actually going to make the run for the actual fun game, but I haven't personally played it. So because of that reason, I thought, well, you can't tell if this is actually a super fun game, but I really have been wanting to play this game so bad. This is where you guys fit in. It's cool that it's on there. You guys are making up criteria as you go. I love it. Music playing in a fun game, we're just like, pick any game. You're like, no, I got this criteria.
    116:41
    But the fun aspect, you're right. Because when I played J.J.P.'s Pirates, I don't know how much fun it was because I was getting pissed off at it. And that's why I want it. Spending a buck a ball. So I think you were right in picking Black Knight because that is way more fun than Pirates. Is that going to be the new model? A buck a ball. A buck a ball? Yeah. You put in a buck, you drain your ball, you're like, you want to continue? It's another dollar.
    117:12
    I should have put my road games on a dollar a ball. It would have been funny. Or not. You never know. All right. So, Drew. Yes. How we doing here, man? How's our thing?
    117:25
    Is that it? We got it? Top three. Freestyle time permits. That's hilarious. We're at like fucking two and a half hours. All right. So, let's go. This has been the Head to Head podcast. Let's go into – you have some shit, dude. This is fucking super awesome.
    117:42
    All five hours of super awesome pinball podcast. No, we'll just do our giveaway. So we have a juice giveaway. Like us – or follow us, I mean, on Twitter. Thank you, Drew. That's it. Follow us on Twitter. Follow us on Twitter, the 4-Man Spinball Podcast. You're entered. And you are entered. Drawing will be at the end of the month. This is coming up. Yep, it's coming up. and you will be the recipient of a brand-new pair of pin shades. Not a used pair. Not one that drew a nice sweat. This is a brand-new pair of pin shades. So we'll do pin shades at the end of the month, the giveaway. And I don't care if you're a business. I might send it to Stern if they follow me. I don't know yet. Sure. But I don't care. George Gomez, are you following us? Follow us. Because the shit I post probably isn't even – And half of it's not funny to 90% of you because it's funny to me. It's all stern, leaked material. Yes, it is. Shit gets bad. So, Drew, do you want to read that mailbag? Yep. So to put this into context, how did this start? Oh, fuck. I didn't read it. Let me see. So we were talking about, well, we've had a lot of guests. Oh, he's talking about the Dave Brennan guest. Yeah, because we had a lot of guests on recently. and, you know, people, most people really like us having guests on. Thank you guys for being on Flipping and Mashing, Parnell and Steve.
    119:11
    Oh, totally. But what people really love about us, they don't care guests or not. This really doesn't have anything to do with the guests we have. They just like our sloppy shit. So, like, this episode, people are going to absolutely love because Drew's drunk and he's doing his thing. And, like, it's like, okay, you have these awesome guests and you're hammered, so awesome. yeah that's a good episode so anyway so dr john writes great to hear you're going back to less formal unscripted sloppy shit see this is just what i was saying right is exactly what i was explaining yes the guests are cool comma but uh degenerating into drunken tom flurry is why we love the podcast so much dr john p.s translation should be on the way this weekend and that's in reference to rod and osborne our aussie native who we never understand half of what he's saying and we love everything he says. And Dr. John is also from Australia. He's going to translate for Rod.
    120:08
    Let's wrap this shit up. This is way too long. Way too long. Dude, dude, I was just making sure I was subscribed to you on Twitter and I was flipping through your pictures. I've never seen, was it Laser War? Yeah, Laser War. And I was like, oh, that's a pretty cool looking game. Is that Data East?
    120:27
    That's the first one. And then all of a sudden, that was what? The first day to Easter. That's awesome. It looks actually, it looks really fun. And then I flipped to the next picture and it's a dog's butthole.
    120:42
    That's going in the opening or the ending credits. I flipped to the next picture and it's a dog's butthole. But that butthole looks like Jesus, though. Did you see that? It's our Messiah. So, it's kind of funny because, like I said, we, oh, man, it's hard to explain. And, yeah, our tribe. I thought it was. It's Jesus on a dog's butt. It is. It's the Jesus butthole. It's crazy, right? He's like, I see this little picture of a pinball, and then I see a dog's butthole. That kind of sums up our whole podcast. I don't even remember posting pictures of laser wars. Is that what's on here? I don't even know.
    121:19
    Yeah, no, that's the hyper beams. Yep, I did put them on there. Yep, you're right. and then yeah there's a Jesus dog butthole Jesus butthole oh gosh okay everyone's going to hell that's perfect thank you very much wrapping this up Steven Parnell how do we find you it's not on Facebook no too soon no find him on my site we're flipping a mash literally on any anywhere you listen to your podcast that's where we are okay the podcatchers listen to flipping a mash well cool guys Thanks a lot for coming.
    121:55
    Check out poor man's pinball at gmail.com. You can email us. Check us out on our Facebook page, Poor Man's Pinball fan page, which is now on Facebook. Too bad you can't find the Puffin and Mashing guys.
    122:12
    I'm glad you guys have such a good sense of humor about it because that is fucked up, though. That's what I'm saying. Whatever. I feel for you guys.
    122:19
    We're going to make t-shirts like the only pinball podcast to get banned. Yes, no, you should. Be like, we got banned before Kaneda. That would be great.
    122:28
    I can't believe you haven't got banned. SilverBallSwag.com. Check us out. SilverBallSwag.com. You can buy all our shit. Hey, Parnell and Steve, what did you guys learn today?
    122:41
    I finished my mason jar of butterscotch because you guys are so fun to talk to. Okay, that is awesome. What about you, sir? that somehow a dog's butthole can look like Jesus Christ. That is true, and that is a great lesson to learn. Today I learned that we can have a great time with another podcast for almost three hours. How cool is that? What did you learn, Ian? I learned that I pee really fast, But I also learned today that I have two new friends that I can't wait to see at a pinball show. So if you guys come to MGC, you'll get the VIP treatment. We'll take you to all the fun bars, and we'll get rowdy. And we'll have a lot of fun. So thank you guys so much for being on the podcast. We had so much fun with you guys. Guys, did you guys have fun? Dude, it was great. We had an awesome time. Cool. What a time. All right. Well, good, guys. Thank you so much. And you guys have a good rest of your week.
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    the views expressed on this podcast don't necessarily reflect the views of our sponsors. Obviously, they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them. So thanks for listening, guys. Have a great day. Bye-bye.