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Episode 109 – Carbon Paper in a Xerox Machine

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Sep 27, 2018
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt discusses light pinball news week: TNA pause, Zen digital releases, Haggis' APM build, and Stern/competitor dynamics.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 109 features hosts Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale with guest Ryan C from Head to Head Pinball discussing pinball industry news including Spooky's TNA production pause, Zen Studios' four-pack digital release, Haggis Pinball's ambitious American Pinball build announcement, and upcoming Pinball Expo seminars. The episode includes a lengthy bracket-style game featuring Stern Electronics machines and commentary on industry dynamics including Stern's competitive positioning against smaller manufacturers.

Key Claims

  • TNA is temporarily ceasing production after 550 games

    high confidence · Ryan C, referencing Special When Lit podcast interview with Scott Danesi about Spooky Pinball's TNA

  • Zen Studios announcing first four-pack with Fishtales, Medieval Madness, Junkyard, and The Getaway: High Speed 2, with Fishtales as free game and four-pack at $10

    high confidence · Ron Hallett citing news from This Week In Pinball

  • Haggis Pinball announced they will attempt to build an American Pinball machine ready for Texas Pinball Festival in spring

    high confidence · Ron Hallett reporting news announcement

  • Ryan C predicts Haggis Pinball will not have an American Pinball machine ready for Texas Pinball Festival, stating 'It's harder than it looks'

    medium confidence · Ryan C's assessment based on industry experience

  • Deadpool had soft reveal at Pinfest in Newcastle, Australia with Gary Stern present

    high confidence · Ryan C discussing Australian pinball event

  • The Munsters pinball is coming next from Stern

    medium confidence · Ron Hallett discussing upcoming releases

  • Pinball Brothers bought out Highway Pinball, removed assets, liquidated the company, and plan to produce Queen and Playboy

    medium confidence · Ryan C discussing Pinball Brothers' history

  • Cosmic Princess sold on eBay auction for approximately $4,500 as a fully restored example with touch-up playfield and new cabinet

    medium confidence · Bruce Nightingale recounting eBay sale observation

Notable Quotes

  • “Pinball is dead. Yes, it is. Pinball is dead to all.”

    Ron Hallett and others @ early in news segment — Sarcastic opening to news segment, undercut by discussion of Deadpool release parties occurring simultaneously

  • “I think that's just, I mean, he has a lot of fun, him and Charlie. They don't take things too seriously, so that would just be a mock-up of something.”

    Ron Hallett @ discussing Spooky's Game 2 teaser — Indicates community perception that Spooky Pinball uses playful/trolling marketing tactics

  • “It's harder than it looks, guys. It is. It's hard. Pinball's hard. Pinball's very hard.”

    Ryan C @ on Haggis Pinball's APM project — Skepticism about indie manufacturer ability to deliver complex machines on aggressive timelines

  • “They heard Oktoberfest was coming, humor pin, and they had to beat him. Once again, Stern, holding down the little guy.”

    Ron Hallett @ discussing Stern releasing Deadpool before American Pinball's Oktoberfest — Suggests industry dynamic where Stern uses market dominance to preempt smaller competitors

  • “I don't think there's any point in John being there until he has a physical game that he can show”

    Ron Hallett @ on John Papadiuk's participation in Deep Root Pinball seminar at Expo — Reflects community skepticism about unshipped Deep Root Pinball products

  • “No pinball people would actually do anything. Let's be real. I mean, what are they going to do? Are they going to shout up during the seminar, 'I just stole your code, asshole!'”

    Ron Hallett @ on Deep Root Pinball controversy at Expo — References ongoing community drama regarding code theft accusations against Deep Root Pinball

  • “I almost don't even want to play because I've already heard everyone else's opinions on it, and nothing seems new and exciting anymore.”

    Ryan C @ on Deadpool over-coverage in podcast ecosystem — Observation about podcast saturation and community opinion formation dynamics

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonRyan CpersonSpooky PinballcompanyZen StudioscompanyHaggis PinballcompanyStern PinballcompanyAmerican Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Spooky Pinball TNA temporarily ceasing production after 550 units completed

    high · Ron Hallett citing Special When Lit interview with Scott Danesi: 'TNA is ceasing production after, what, 550 games? Temporarily ceasing.'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Spooky Pinball Game 2 teased with partial artwork; community speculation it is mockup/trolling

    medium · Ron Hallett: 'Game 2 teaser, which is partial artwork of something. Any ideas? I don't think that's real artwork... I think they're trolling.'

  • $

    market_signal: Zen Studios launching four-pack digital release with dual-mode gameplay (Zen mode vs arcade mode) featuring classic tables

    high · Ron Hallett: 'Zen Studios announces the first four-pack, which is going to be Fishtales, Medieval Madness, Junkyard, and The Getaway: High Speed 2... Fishtales is the free game. The free game. And the four-pack is $10.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern releasing Deadpool ahead of American Pinball's Oktoberfest, interpreted as market dominance preventing smaller competitors

    medium · Ron Hallett: 'They heard Oktoberfest was coming, humor pin, and they had to beat him. Once again, Stern, holding down the little guy.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Pinball Brothers acquired Highway Pinball, liquidated assets, planning Queen and Playboy releases

    medium · Ryan C: 'They bought out Highway Pinball and then removed all the assets and then liquidated the company, and then are now going to start up some new company, apparently, to produce Queen and Playboy, maybe. It's never going to happen.'

Transcript

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0:00
Hey. Where is she? Is she naked? Beavis and Butthead. What a surprise. Uh, we want to watch. Yeah, come on. You'd like to watch what? You know, you and that chick doing it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we don't even have to come in. If you could just, like, put the shades back up, that'd be fine with me. Boys, this really bothers me, okay?
0:44
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Phil Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. I was actually in contract negotiations. so luckily I did get one more perk from my contract negotiations because Ron realized that he could not do the show alone yeah I didn't want to say anything about the negotiations I said you were away it was hard, it really was hard but luckily I got my one extra perk which is one extra snore or yawn you didn't know he actually had a quota we have a quota on how many yawns Yes? Yes. No, I was actually away for my best friend who was my best man in my wedding and best friend when I was a kid. His father passed away. So we were dealing with that that same day we recorded. I really wasn't in the mood of pinball that day, and Ron was very gracious to do it alone with the two techies. I wish I was there because I was yelling at the podcast a lot of times. Yelling? Like, you're wrong. No, I was like, no.
1:55
I was like, I had my opinions and I couldn't state them. Well, you got to be on the show to state your opinions. I don't know. I'm going to state them now. But we're not alone this week, Bruce. What? Yeah. Did you already hire my replacement? No, you actually got our guest, remember? Oh, fuck. And our guest is? Ryan C.
2:17
G'day, lads. Striping the bottom of the barrel again, are we? Yeah, we are. You guys scraped it last week, and now we're scraping it this week.
Jersey Jack Pinball
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Pinball Brotherscompany
Deep Root Pinballcompany
Scott Danesiperson
Jack Dangerperson
Gary Sternperson
John Papadiukperson
Mel Kirkperson
Martyperson
Texas Pinball Festivalevent
Pinball Expoevent
This Week In Pinballorganization
Deadpoolgame
TNA (Total Nuclear Annihilation)game
  • ?

    rumor_hype: Stern's The Munsters pinball announced as upcoming release

    high · Ron Hallett: 'Apparently Munsters are coming next' in discussion of Stern's release pipeline

  • ?

    regulatory_signal: Deep Root Pinball code theft controversy context mentioned; John Papadiuk's seminar participation subject to skepticism

    medium · Ron Hallett: 'I don't think there's any point in John being there until he has a physical game that he can show... it seems like a bit of a bummer for all the other people like Barry and Dennis.'

  • ?

    business_signal: Gary Stern visited Australia for Pinfest Newcastle event, indicating international market engagement

    high · Ryan C: 'Gary came over for Pinfest in Newcastle. It's our, I guess, our biggest show in Australia... it was for the soft reveal of Deadpool.'

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinball Expo 2026 (October 17-20, Chicago/Wheeling) featuring American Pinball Oktoberfest reveal and Deep Root Pinball Future Worlds seminar

    high · Ron Hallett: 'Countdown to Pinball Expo. It's coming... October 17th through the 20th in Chicago. Well, actually, Wheeling, Illinois.'

  • ?

    content_signal: Community observation of podcast oversaturation reducing novelty and creating redundant opinion echo chambers

    medium · Ryan C: 'I almost don't even want to play because I've already heard everyone else's opinions on it, and nothing seems new and exciting anymore.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Significant skepticism about Haggis Pinball's ability to deliver American Pinball machine on aggressive timeline for Texas Pinball Festival

    high · Ryan C prediction: 'without knowing anything, they will not have an American Pinball machine ready for Texas Pinball Festival next year. I've seen the future... It's harder than it looks, guys.'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Cosmic Princess Stern Electronics game sold on eBay auction for approximately $4,500 as fully restored example

    medium · Bruce Nightingale: 'Someone sold one on eBay here. He's put like an auction for like $100... I think it got up to like $4,500... Everything was flawless.'

    • 2:26
    You see, Bruce, our ratings are dropping big time, so we've got to have the ratings leaders on our program. Yes, yes. The Twippy winners for this year coming up. Oh, definitely. Definitely. The highest rated podcast ever. What do you guys get, like 10,000 listeners an episode or something? I thought it was 20 million. That's in the first day, and then it keeps on snowballing after that. I have it. Okay. I'm glad to be on the show, guys. It's a bit of a change up from the normal show that me and Marty do. It's actually fun and enjoyable and you can actually have an opinion. No, I can. Marty doesn't edit me too much. Oh, he does too.
    3:06
    It's for the better. I don't think we could, I don't know, get away with some of the things that we, some of the interviews we've pulled if I was allowed to go on my little rant. Who do we have to get for, Marty or Ron? probably Ron. Right.
    3:22
    Ron, do you have an opinion on that one? About what? Who edits what? Who edits more, you or Marty? I edit more of my stuff out than I ever edit Bruce out. Wow. Yep. I edited for two or three weeks, and it was insanely annoying because it just takes so much of your time up and you can't really do anything while you're editing, like listen to music or distract yourself with anything else. But the positive about it is that you have kind of so much power over, you know, the conversation. Like, you can stutter too much. You can chop that out. You can make a joke sound funnier with a pause or shortening the reaction.
    4:03
    You're in a seat of power, Mr. Braun. Yes, I am. And with great power comes great responsibility. Which leads us to this episode. Episode 109, Thor, Ragnarok. What is it?
    4:20
    Ragnarok. These are dumb names. So what does that mean? It means the end of days for Asgard.
    4:31
    Okay, who's Asgard? It's where Thor people come from. where people come from it's where the Asgardians come from yeah that's awesome the Asgardians wait a minute I thought Asgardians was another one we did I'm getting confused Flo Ragnarok is good it's one of the only ones I think the only one that's directed by that Kiwi director and it was like all funny and all kind of retro futuristic.
    5:11
    A lot of people didn't like it because it was, you know, they said it wasn't, it needed to be more serious, but I loved it. I liked it a lot. Alright, so we get two thumbs up and one thumb that will probably never watch it. Of course, there you go.
    5:26
    Alright. You've got a lot of, like, naming all your episodes and, like, one of the people on the show has never seen 99% of them. That's what happened a couple months ago with the freaking Godzilla ones. Well, most normal people have watched Godzilla. Come on, Bruce. No one cares about Godzilla. You're in Australia. That's different. You don't count. But most Americans love Godzilla. They know about Godzilla. Yes. It's probably, like, after the last movie, like, no one gives a shit. It's the same thing every time. Like, he rocks up, he trashes shit, and then you realize that he's, like, he's a good guy or something, and he helps kill some other kaiju creature.
    6:06
    Thank you. I think he just did it all right there. That was the perfect synopsis. You could make a similar synopsis about just about any Marvel movie.
    6:14
    Let's be real. That's true. Yeah. That's why Game of Thrones is so good. You don't know who they're going to kill off. It is true. Piece of news. Oh, no. And it's really light. Really light. The news has been light the last two weeks.
    6:30
    Nothing's going on. Pinball is dead. Yes, it is. Pinball is dead to all. It is definitely dead. With all these Deadpool lease parties going on, it's totally dead. Nothing's happening.
    6:41
    Let's see. This is from This Week in Pinball. Hi, Jeff. Well, I heard you were on. Were you on this site, I heard? I was. You were? Oh, I was. Jesus, I have to remind him. He doesn't need. It's been a busy week. So how were you on the site? I was asked to proofread an article. for Dennis from the Eclectic Gamers podcast about system. I was actually looking over to Bally Stern system. I didn't know much about the Gottlieb and the Williams. This is Williams. Who cares about that? But the beginning board sets for all four companies, which, of course, Bally and Stern are exactly the same. and I gave him a couple tidbits on the lawsuit between Bally and Stern. So there was a lawsuit because Stern basically wanted to enter the market and they just ripped off Bally. They just reverse engineered. Actually, they bought the company. They bought the company that designed the Bally boards. Like totally bought them out, like they now belong to us. Yes. Wow. But don't forget, they were still copyrighted by Bally. And as Ron stated in the past, and I do have to agree with him, we think Dally actually wanted it to happen after they found out about it because two companies making the same board sets made distributors and operators want this board set more than a Gottlieb board set. Of course, anybody would want that better than that. Or a Williams board set because there is interchangeability.
    8:20
    How much of a share of the market did Spoon Electronics have back then to kind of justify that? Did they come in with a pretty big bang? I know some of the... The biggest bang I think they had was like Stars, which 7,000 games. Meteor. Meteor? Meteor is one, Flight 2000 is second, Stars is third. Okay, so 10,000. We had... Bally was doing 20,000 and 15,000 and 16,000 runs. Actually, Galaxy might be third, then Stars. Stars is third or fourth. The interesting thing is how different it was between the pinball and the video games. Like the video games, every single game almost had a different, slightly different board set or had modifications, so it couldn't be copied. Okay. Like Asteroids and Asteroids Deluxe literally has one extra button, but the board set's different. So you can't use, like, an Asteroids Deluxe board set and an Asteroids, which makes no sense.
    9:16
    Were people finding them, though? Like, what were they picking up? I guess so. I mean, they literally would make them different for every single game, as opposed to pinball where they're pretty much a board set, like a system whatever, a, you know, whatever generation board set, and they would just make the same board set. It's crazy when you think about it that you know this hobby is small when nothing has really been cloned in China. Like every industry that you can think of, if something is popular enough, someone in China will say, okay, well, I will make a version of this now and I'll make it ridiculously cheap. but in pinball, it's just too complicated and, I guess, too small for someone to ever do that.
    9:58
    How about Thunderbirds? Was that a clone? I don't know. Maybe Ben Heck can sue Home Pin. What did you say, Bruce, that the belly may profit off every single stone product? Yes, $100, supposedly, I think it was. And Bruce, they learned their lesson because later when they founded Data East, they totally came up with their own board system.
    10:26
    Right? That was based on the architecture of the system. You mean they copied Williams? Yes, they did. Yeah, they totally copied Williams. But they actually made it different. The soundboard. Yes. The soundboard is literally the only thing that's different in the earlier systems. And the PPB board. What does that mean? The popcorn popper board. Yeah, the pinball power, you know, it's actually a driver, an external driver board and everything like that. It's different, too. So it was different enough where they knew not to get sued, but, you know, it was pretty much copied from. Yes. Yep. So number one for Stern was Meteor at 7,939 games. Second was Flight 2000 with 6,301.
    11:14
    And, Ron, which one do you think was more, Galaxy or Star, I'll say stars. 250 more. Really? 5,200 to 4947.
    11:27
    Of course, Ryan, see you as a stars. Yes, he does. I do. I haven't seen it yet, but it's coming. I messaged John the other day, and I said, are you done with it? And he's like, I'm still having fun, but, you know, it's pretty hard. You can come and grab it whenever you want. So I called the courier up, and I should have it, I don't know, maybe next week or the week after. That's Dr. John. That's Dr. John Cossett. And this is Ryan C. from the Head to Head Pinball Podcast, which we really didn't say. Just kind of assuming everyone knows everyone at this point. You ever notice that? It's just like, oh, yeah, everyone knows everybody. Well, someone might be tuning in for the first time. They could see. And they're tuning out immediately. The other 110 episodes or whatever it is. Yeah.
    12:11
    Do you think it's a scary sport when someone messages you and like, oh, hey, I just started listening. I'm going to go back and listen to everything. You're like, no. Don't do that. What are you doing? No. We still have people messaging me about, like, episode 47 and 49. I'm like, that was a year ago. I don't remember yesterday. I don't remember them as soon as I upload them. They leave my head forever.
    12:34
    It's funny. It's like, you know, Clay with Top Cast. You go back and listen to his, and they're all, like, kind of like these iconic people in the industry. And, like, every episode means something. I mean, some of the interviews are better than the others, but it's a snapshot of, like, you know, 2002 or 2003 at that moment in that person's life. Whereas, like, all of our episodes are just whatever happened this week in pinball, which sometimes is absolutely nothing. You ain't kidding. No. Sure.
    13:04
    So, here we go with the news. We have Scott Denisey talks Game 2 on Special and Lit. You guys should get him on the show. I think it's, like, the only show he hasn't been on is your show. Hey, Bruce, get on that. I don't know him.
    13:19
    Bruce wants to know everyone, but see, now he's stuck in a bar and he doesn't get out anywhere. No, everyone's whored him out. You want him.
    13:31
    So he's used up, so you don't want him, is that it? Exactly. We'll wait a little while. Just before he releases his second game. Okay. Then we'll ask him. We'll offer him Rusex. Yes. But, yep, the Special Element Pinball Podcast had an interview with him talking about the, well, I guess TNA is ceasing production after, what, 550 games? Temporarily ceasing. Yeah, temporarily, because they need to get through, yeah. And there was a Game 2 teaser, which is partial artwork of something. Any ideas? I don't think that's real artwork. I think that's just, I mean, he has a lot of fun, him and Charlie. They don't take things too seriously. so that would just be a mock-up of something. Of something. It isn't. Yeah. I have to agree. I think they're trolling. Yeah.
    14:21
    Zen Studio announces the first four-pack, which is going to be Fishtails, Medieval Madness, Junkyard, and the Getaway High Speed 2.
    14:32
    A three out of four ain't bad. And the Fishtails is the free game. The free game. And the four-pack is $10. Is that like Totem was the free game for Pinball Arcade? Is Fishtails now the free one? I think so.
    14:50
    What's a better game, Totem or Fishtails? Fishtails. Yeah. See, reveal streams. Jack Danger Deathlip had reveal streams of these machines and showed us features on Monday evening. Check it out on Switch Channel. Looks like the tables are going to have the two different modes. Zen mode. which would be like the ridiculous physics, the unrealistic physics. Like on Medieval Madness, I guess the castle will actually blow up. Yeah, and the dragon frees fire, and on Fishtails, there's a fishing guy in the slingshots, and oh, God. What's going to happen on El Navarro? What's the realistic, the fantasy version of that?
    15:33
    The spider comes to life. Yeah, well, I don't think it scares stiff. Okay. And they'll have arcade mode, which will be simulated real-world physics. Ooh. So we'll see how real it plays.
    15:50
    And physically. And then there was the Blockade podcast. Man, how many podcasts are there? Oh, 27 now. With Mel Kirk, who is the vice president of publishing at Zen Studios. Is that Steve Kirk's son?
    16:06
    No, I don't think so. Okay. It's about an hour, and they dive into these tables. Check it out. And now the reason we have Ryan's Theon. No. Haggis Pinball. New pinball company. Haggis Pinball. Haggis Pinball located in Australia. Announced this week that they're going to attempt to build a pinball machine with the goal of having it ready for Texas Pinball Festival in March. One of the more interesting parts of the project is they plan to document their progress along the way. So what do you know about this? It's in Australia, so you must know all about it, right, Ryan? Well, I started... You probably know all these guys. I started to watch the video, and I was watching it on my phone, and there's this high-pitched squeal, and I just couldn't watch it. It was like, you know, when you plug something into the PowerPoint and it's meant to be, like, this high-pitched for insects, so they go away? It was like that. So I haven't actually watched the video, but I can tell you that without knowing anything, they will not have a pinball machine ready for Texas Pinball Festival next year. I've seen the future. Okay. It's harder than it looks, guys. It is. It's hard. Pinball's hard. Pinball's very hard. And it's a slow news week, so Jeff put this in there because it's something, but it's not a pinball company. It's just, I believe, a dude wanting to make his own pinball machine. Dude, man.
    17:26
    Then we have Countdown to Pinball Expo. It's coming. Hype is building for Pinball Expo. So the show will take place October 17th through the 20th in Chicago. Well, actually, Wheeling, Illinois.
    17:41
    Yeah, okay. Just because you're not going doesn't mean you can just yawn. Why aren't you going, Bruce? Bar. Let's call the bar. You can take a couple days off the bar. You did it for Pemberg. Yeah, Pemberg's more important. Yeah, Pemberg is more important. But I'll be going.
    17:57
    So we'll get behind-the-scenes access with Ron Hallett. Yeah, sure. I'm just going to let me... Yeah, right behind the scenes. Yep. That's me. I couldn't even get a special pass at freaking Texas. But that's bullshit, Ron. You didn't ask for one. Yeah, but Dr. John said he asked for one, and he wouldn't even give him one until he gave him, like, a trinket. I didn't have anything to give him. What the hell was I going to give him?
    18:21
    Autograph something for him? This is me, Ron Hallett, of the Slamtail Podcast. You've got to pretend you're important, Ron. That's how it works. That's exactly how it goes. Hi, I'm Steve Ritchie. I've had plastic surgery. I look different now.
    18:38
    So what do you guys think we're going to see at Chicago Pinball Expo? Do you think we're going to see Oktoberfest? Are you excited about that, Ron?
    18:47
    Sure. I'm excited for all new pinball, unlike Bruce. What's the deal with Oktoberfest there? Because it seems like I saw some stat where someone posted on Pinsight, I think, that something like 66% of people in the U.S. have never left the country. Oh, yeah, that's guaranteed to be true. Most American citizens do not have their passports. I don't. Have you ever left the U.S.? Nope. Not even to Canada, Mexico, nothing? Nope. Why is that? Why do people in the U.S. not want to travel as much as other countries? Best country in the world? Never had an inkling to go there. I don't know. Okay. We have it all. Yeah, we have. Well, that's not a big thing. Like the Oktoberfest thing, you know, like in Australia, it's kind of like widely accepted as something that we adopt, but it seems like in the U.S. it's not actually a big thing at all. It is a little bit. If you're in a German city, in a German town like Buffalo, it's very popular, Oktoberfest. But some of the interesting seminars lined up will be What's New at American Pinball? Which, note, American Pinball's newest creation, Oktoberfest, is expected to be revealed at Expo. And then the next one is interesting. Future worlds with Deep Root Pinball. Speakers Barry Osler, Dennis Norman, John Papaduke, John Norris, and Quinn Johnson. Now, my question is, who's providing the security? My question is, who's Quinn Johnson? Yeah.
    20:15
    Let's see what that is. I guess we'll find out. The other thing is, everyone talks shit about Papaduke and all that. No pinball people would actually do anything. No. Let's be real. I mean, what are they going to do? Are they going to shout up during the seminar, I just stole my money, asshole! I would. You would? I'd double dare somebody. Bruce would stand up, I just stole my money! It's like, you didn't even order anything. The idiot doesn't know that. I don't think there's any point in John being there until he has a physical game that he can show, and then you can kind of, like, not forget about, you know, what he's done and the stuff that everyone's been through, but at least it's more of a diversion than just sitting up on stage talking about what he's going to do. I don't know, it seems like a bit of a bummer for all the other people like Barry and Dennis. So Quinn Johnson is the story writer. He wrote stories for comic books for the Tales of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and other things, and video games and other stuff. So he's like the storyboard guy. Ah, so that'll be deep root. Everyone will be getting rooted. I know who the security guy is going to be. Steve Baden. Steve Bowden is providing security Yes Because when I think, you know, security I think Steve Bowden, I don't know about you Always, yes He's a very aggressive guy He's very aggressive, he broke Star Wars again I don't know if you saw that, Bruce No, I did not, what happened? Basically the same thing that happened to Rock Fantasy It was like a gradual shutdown Of Star Wars and its functions Nice And supposedly on new code, the latest code It was all like super, super-duper slow-mo pinball. Yeah. He broke it again.
    21:57
    So, obviously, that's still not completely fixed yet. Then we have an evening with Jersey Jack Pinball. You got to get some caviar and some nice, nice little music and some, yeah, oh, my. I got an email. I'm going to be getting my manual.
    22:14
    Oh, for your three-and-a-half-pound manual? Yeah, my 300-pound manual. I can't wait. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be the greatest printed manual ever. I've heard nothing but good things about their manual. They're the greatest manuals of all time, so I'm looking forward to it. I have to agree. I get excited over manuals. It's already online. You just do the physical version of it. Yeah, but it's not the same. Come on, don't you get excited for manuals? No, because you can't search them like you can search the PDF version. I can type in slingshot, and I can find the part for the slingshot kicker straight away, whereas if it's a physical page, I have to sift through the contents and look through 300 pages to find what I need. Go to the index.
    22:54
    I can't do that. I'm all over the place. All right. Then we're going to have total nuclear annihilation again. Still making the rounds. Then various speakers from Stern Pinball. I'm sure Timmy will be there. Timmy! Did you see how long that seminar lasts? Yeah, it's got up here for four hours.
    23:17
    That's a lot of time, man. That's where you bring the Depends for. Oh, so you don't have to leave. Beer plus pinball equals money. Beer plus just to be chanted for the background for four hours. I'm surprised you didn't walk up to Gary and say that to him. He was in Australia. Yeah, Marty had a couple of shots at him, I think. No, he didn't. But, yeah, Gary came over for Pinfest in Newcastle. It's our, I guess, our biggest show in Australia, but it's still like about 80 machines or so, and it was for the soft reveal of Deadpool. So it's finally here. Yay! So what do you think of Deadpool? Have you played it yet? No, I didn't go. It was in a different state. Marty just happened to be in the state for other reasons and he was about an hour away, so he just drove down and gave it a go. I'm still yet to play it, but it's kind of annoying being in the podcast world now because I listen to other podcasts and I'm talking about Deadpool and then by the time it arrives, It's kind of like what happened with Guardians of the Galaxy. I almost don't even want to play because I've already heard everyone else's opinions on it and nothing seems new and exciting anymore. I don't know. Yeah, you know, Oktoberfest was going to bring humor back to pinball, right? And then Deadpool comes out, which is all about humor. So they beat him. They beat him to the punch. Once again, Stern, holding down the little guy.
    24:43
    That's what it is. They heard Oktoberfest was coming. humor pin, boom, they had to beat him. Okay, so apparently Munsters are coming next, so who are they squashing with Munsters?
    24:54
    Oh, it's Cupid Nightmare Castle? Oh, that's Adam's family. What the hell is the what is the theme music for Munsters? I don't even know.
    25:03
    Bruce, this is more your era, what is it? It sounds like Black Knight. It does. Okay. Now that everyone's tuned out.
    25:26
    That was the Munsters. Pinball Brothers. Who the hell are the Pinball Brothers? Well, wait a minute. They were head-to-head pinballs? So Ryan can tell us. Who were the Pinball Brothers?
    25:36
    They're the guys who... Stole all the parts from... Yeah. They bought out Highway Pinball and then removed all the assets and then liquidated the company. and then are now going to start up some new company, apparently, to produce Queen and Playboy, maybe. It's never going to happen. No. But with the Queen movie coming out, it would be perfect timing. Yeah? Yeah. They don't have a slot, do they, in the pinball expo? No. They can't go to TPF and compete with Five Days of Degru, right? No. No one's going to be able to compete with that, whatever it's going to be. Let me see here. I think that's it is there's not much going on man well luckily I'm on the show and I'm not very talented guys but last time I came on the show we ripped off other podcasts so this time I'm coming on the show and I'm going to rip off me coming on the show last time and we're going to do rip off to the ultimate betrayal dun dun dun alright Bruce. Yes. Strap yourself in because there's a lot of podcasts, okay? Did he say strap on? Strap on. Oh, strap off. Strap on, strap off. Bruce, are you at the bar? Yes. Okay, start drinking and don't stop until I tell you. We're doing the Meltdown Pinball Podcast. Meltdown Podcast done. And are you drinking Two Brothers Pinball Pale Ale? No, I am drinking Cherry Rome, as always. Okay. I'm drinking Two Brothers. Two Brothers is amazing. I want to drink that passion. That's two podcasts done. Okay. Eclipse the Gamers podcast with Dennis and Tony. They do bracket-style eliminations, and they put it up to the public, and they have like 32 to choose from. It goes down to 16, 8, 4, 2, 1, and it takes like five or so weeks. It takes forever. We're going to do one right now with Bruce and Ron, and what it is is the ultimate, the best, and don't yell it out because I know you guys probably know the answer, the best Stern Electronics game. Now, I've seeded them all, okay? So I've seeded them all according to Pinsize, so it's probably all wrong, and half of them didn't even have a ranking. And there are 29 games, is that right? I guess. Sure, I guess. Yeah, yeah, good answer. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, survey says. Ding!
    28:08
    Okay, and because it's a 32, I've had to put, I chose the worst one as Orbiter 1. So that'll be in there a couple of times on the first bracket. So you can eliminate that the first time every time. Okay. So if you're confused, I'm going to give you a game, like Quicksilver and Orbiter 1. And you guys have 30 seconds to agree on which one is better. And if you don't agree within 30 seconds, then I get to choose, and I'm going to choose the wrong one. So you guys have to either agree straight away or argue for 30 seconds. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay, this is easy. Go ahead. Okay. So, Quicksilver and Orbital One. Quicksilver.
    28:46
    Okay. Memory Lane and Orbital One. Memory Lane. Okay. Big Game and Freefall. Big Game. This is easy. Meteor and Cheetah.
    29:04
    Meteor. I have to say Meteor. Good, so far, no arguments. Catacomb and Dragonfist.
    29:16
    Dragonfist. Okay, Dracula or Nugent? Hmm. Nugent. I actually, yeah, yeah. I have to. Stingray or Viper?
    29:32
    Viper. Viper sucks, though. Stingray sucks. Stingray sucks, too. It really is a basic bad game. it's one of their worst. I want Ryan to pick Stingray.
    29:47
    I've only played Stingray. I haven't played Viper. And Stingray has that hole at the top that chooses a random value for you, right? Yes, it does. I know a lot of games have that. It's like an EM feature, kind of like get in the hole and we'll randomly choose you an award, which, so I don't know. I'll choose Viper because I've played Stingray and I didn't like Stingray. Nice. Ali or Trident?
    30:13
    Oh, Ali. Sea Witch or Orbital One? Sea Witch. Pinball or... Oh, what is this? Did I spell this right?
    30:27
    Electronimo. Electronimo? Pinball. All right. Stars or split seconds? Stars. That's not even... Galaxy or Magic?
    30:42
    Oh, God. Galaxy. I have to go Galaxy. Stargazer or Orbital One? That's Stargazer. Lightning or Wildfire?
    30:54
    Wildfire. You know what? I don't even remember. What's Wildfire again? It's got the three kick-out holes like Ali does.
    31:03
    It's the horse... The horse game, yeah. Yeah, chariots. I'll say lightning. Ooh, so there you go, Ryan. Say your pick.
    31:16
    Pick a war. I don't know any of them at all. Slate's war in your game here, I think. Exactly. Well, yeah, I'll choose warfarl just for the sake of it.
    31:28
    Nine ball or Iron Maiden? Nine ball. Flight 2000 or Hot Hand? Flight 2000. Alright, this is the second round. This is when it gets a little bit more interesting. Okay. I'll see you next week.
    31:45
    I'll come on five weeks in a row. Quicksilver or Memory Lane? Quicksilver. Big Game or Meteor? Meteor. I have to say Meteor again too. I have to say Meteor.
    32:01
    Dragonfist or Nugent? Dragonfist. Viper or Ali? Ali. Okay. Sea Witch or Pinball? Sea Witch. Stars or Galaxy? Stars.
    32:19
    Stargazer or Wildfire? Stargazer. Nineball or Flight 2000? Nineball. Now, the funny thing is, Overdare 1 did not make it through four of the chances it had. That's why I put it in there four times. I knew it was going to, you know, didn't want to make it a good game, because then a good game would be missed once. Okay, so down to the final eight. I have a flaw with your theory. You didn't put all the CERN games up. Did I miss them? You missed one. What do you mean, a flaw with your theory? With his game theory.
    32:56
    It's not a theory, though. Okay, with his game plan. Okay. Because you were bruising again there. That didn't even make any sense. Well, he missed, he actually missed, if you really want to go technical, he missed two sterns. One really is not a stern, but I consider it a stern, and one is a stern. One is not a stern. Cosmic Princess. Yeah, that's a stern. Yeah. That was an Australian stern. Yeah, it was an Australian stern.
    33:22
    So, a four. And a second, Gametron. No. Have you played Cosmic Princess? No. Bruce? I have, yes. I had one in my house for two days. Someone kind of dropped off as just like a stop point for a courier to come pick it up, and it didn't work, and I tried quickly to get it to work. I saw some obvious kind of things not working, and no, it didn't work. So yeah, they go, hey, someone sold one on eBay here. He's put like an auction for like $100 and just to see where it went. I think it got up to like $4,500.
    33:56
    Holy shit. Oh, crap. That's ridiculous. Okay, it was fully restored. It had a touch-up playfield with clear coat and everything. New cabinet. Everything was flawless. So it wasn't a junked example of it. But Gamitron doesn't count, Bruce. Come on, it does. No, it doesn't. It's Pinstar. It's a conversion kit. Pinstar was what? With Gary Stern's company. But it's not Stern Astronics. And who did he have design it? I don't care. That doesn't count.
    34:28
    Quicksilver or Meteor? Oh. Quicksilver. Three spinners can't beat three spinners. Yeah, I got to go Quicksilver. Two spinners are two spinners. You can't beat two spinners. Yes. I know Zach's right now with stars, and that's just it. I know it's a meteor, and that's just the final word. I know Zach's thinking that. Dragon Fist or Ali? Dragon Fist.
    34:54
    You guys really love Dragon Fist. I love the Fist. Sea Witch or Stars? Ooh. Stars. I'll go Sea Witch.
    35:06
    It's always Stars. Always, because guess what? Brutal, basic ass-kicking every time. And Sea Witch is fundamentally flawed with that loop. Did you hear Brian C. exhale there? I think he's got to make a decision.
    35:22
    The thing with Sea Witch... Okay, I don't... It's flawed. It's a flawed game. You cannot use that... Stars seems to be always brutal, no matter how it's set up. It's, like, it is brutal. Whereas Sea Witch, if it's not set up right and your pop-up is not strong and stuff like that, it can be a really kind of controllable, boring game. Like, I've had really long games on my Sea Witch, and it's not until the machine's kind of set up right, like, perfect, that it plays super brutal and super fun. And yes the geometry on Sea Witch is kind of slightly off and slightly waxed No Wrong No Totally wrong It is Totally wrong Nope. It's boring. That loop isn't repeatable. Yes, it is. Thank you. Yes, it is. Play my father's Sea Witch. He repeats it all the time.
    36:09
    Which was mine originally. So that's the only reason why it loops. Oh, God, because it was yours. Because that's the only reason. I made it looper. You made it looper. What the fuck does that mean? No, no. Super duper looper. You've got to use the L one tip.
    36:26
    Replace the upper flippers with Liam's flipper bats. Yeah, I've done that. But when the ball loops around, it hits that gate, right, the one-way gate. It's not very flush and not perfect. Yeah, and that's not a rail. So it bounces off. So it's not like it doesn't. You've got to play with it. So Ryan C is already stating that it's a flawed machine. well, stars, I have not heard one flaw against it. Because someone can't tune their game properly, you're going to call it flawed?
    36:53
    Come on. Many people call it flawed. Many people? Never heard one person say stars is flawed. The spinner isn't really valuable either. Thank you. You have to rely on... Okay, now we're going to get into the rules. Okay. Yeah, you're going to have to rely on random pop-up actions to max the spinner, and then even when it's maxed, it's not worth nearly as much as going for a loaded drop-target bank with an X in front of it, which would give you, like, way more.
    37:22
    So what are you choosing? I'm choosing stars. Woo-hoo! Okay, stargazer or nine ball? Stargazer. Stargazer, three spinners.
    37:35
    All right, down to the final four. Quicksilver, dragon fist, stars, and stargazer. I don't believe dragon fist made it to that far. It won't be in the next round, I guarantee you It's had an easy run Okay, so Quicksilver versus Dragonfist Quicksilver Okay, and Stars versus Stargazer I have to say Stars again still I'll say Stargazer Don't make me choose this one That's why I did it Hey, what's the argument, Bruce? Why is Stars superior to Stargazer? It's just Stargazer is a great game for three spinners. It is one of the best games out there. But Stars, just the – if I was going to play both games next to each other, which I had at the bar, most people would go back and go back and go back for Stars, not four. Because it eats their quarters? It eats their quarters. And it's just – you want – honestly, some people do want their asses kicked while playing pinball. That is the game that will say, I'm ready to do this for you every single time. it's just a fun complete game run why is Stargate a bit on? because it's got three spinners it's the greatest spinner game ever and when you play it with the Scott C. modified software it is much improved which as Scott C. says himself he did not have to modify the Star's software because it was already perfect good point What?
    39:08
    I don't. There's three spinners, man. Just hit one of those three spinners or hear that sound. It's 1-1-A for me. I hated that they're at the quarterfinals or semifinals, but not the finals. Well, if you guys can't agree, I'm generating a random number. So you've got ten seconds to agree. No, you've set the rules, Ryan. You would choose.
    39:32
    Not a random organizer. You would choose. You gave us rules that we had to follow. You're going to follow your rules now.
    39:41
    Ah, jeez, I've only played Stargazer once, and... You were impressed. I was impressed. It was at that place in Japan where there's a hundred other machines, and I had, like, an hour and a half of my time to spend, and I was running around like a headless chook, like, oh, my God, like, what do I play? Now, I have a question for you. Yeah? I know you've won the Stars already, and I know you've wanted a Stargazer. If you had to choose just one, which would it be? Well, I would choose the Stargazer because... Not the value either, not for money-wise. Because no one wants to sell it to me.
    40:13
    Of course, we're smart. This is what I'm looking forward to with stars, is that a lot of people treat a game like Iron Man. They absolutely love it because it's their go-to game. It's quick and nasty. They open up the outlines completely and they enjoy it. for some reason I don't enjoy that game. I'm not sure if it's the sounds or whatever. But I enjoy my Demolition Man being absolutely brutal.
    40:40
    And I'm hoping that I enjoy S.T.A.R.S. as being that game that I can play for a minute and actually have fun versus... Oh, you will. But Stargate is a... I mean, I don't care that much about art, but Stargate is a beautiful thing to look at. I agree. It's hard. We know how you are with the art. I'm choosing Stargazer sorry okay in the final in the blue corner Quicksilver and in the red corner Stargazer shouldn't Stargazer be in the blue corner being that it's primarily blue it shouldn't the green corner it should be green corner Quicksilver blue corner Stargazer I already know my pick Stargazer Quicksilver I love how you guys in the first study too that I read out you pretty much agreed on every single one but now it's split for everything yeah because you get to the better games you're going to get some splits here and Quicksilver the sounds make that game and the rules and the sweepable drop target just perfect game that's why it went all the way up to one side Stargazer has two sweepable banks and three spinners and great sound. You can't sweep. It's very hard to sweep the back right.
    42:06
    It is. No, that's the one I'm thinking about. The one in the center is the easily sweepable one. The one on the left is actually harder to sweep.
    42:14
    Oh, and I almost forgot. I forgot something. You can actually sweep the top bank also by hitting the left spinner, and I have done that. It's very hard. So what? It's doable. Oh, it is doable, but it's very hard. That's a rare one. And there are only three targets you're sweeping. You can sweep all four with Quicksilver.
    42:38
    And he felt what happened in his office. Oh, Jesus Christ. Thank you. And it's running Scott's software, if anyone cares. It does.
    42:56
    All right. Chris Silver wins. Sorry. Yes. Did I lose again? Yes. It wasn't meant to be a competition. It was meant to be. It was a competition. What are you talking about? We have single-handedly increased Stern Electronics' value by, I think, threefold. Oh, yeah, definitely. It's happening in Australia as well. I said a big game went for serious dollars the other day. What did you say it was for? You said again? $3,550.
    43:30
    What? Which is $2,400 US. Oh. So I went to the guy's house. Would you sell your big game for $2,400 to Ryan C. right now? Sure.
    43:42
    So would I. You might have to work on the soundboard, though, Ryan. It's having some issues. But, you know, $2,400. It's all yours. Yeah. I got first dibs on this one if I won it. But it was an eBay promotion going on, so I think it was like 10% off that. It's still a lot. All right, moving. That was the Eclectic Gamers podcast. Moving on to this week in Pinball Podcast. And they do a lot of segments, right? But they just introduced this new one, which I think is quite funny. I'm not sure if you've listened to it, guys. But basically, I pretend to be like the psychiatrist, and I give you guys a word. I'll do one at a time. Bruce, you can go first, and Ron, you can go second. and I'll say something like, you know, Iron Maiden and you guys give me the first thing that pops in your head and you can't delay and think about it for two seconds and then give the answer. It has to be instant and that's the first thing that pops in your head, even if it doesn't make sense. Do you understand? Oh, yeah. Yes? Whatever, whatever. This will be easy for me because whatever I first think of, it usually comes out of my mouth. So it's perfect. Exactly. Bruce, this is just you being Bruce, okay? It's just the first thing that pops in your head. I'll do it as Gene Simmons. Okay, there you go, team. All right, so, Bruce, you're up first. I'm going to give you six. Okay, ready? Six in a row, or just one? No, no, no. Just six all up. Okay, you ready? John Papaduke. Thief.
    45:09
    Kevin Kulik. Thief. Andrew Highway. Thief. Star Wars Pimble. Sucks. Gary Stern. Baka. I was about to read his mobile number out.
    45:34
    Ron Hallett Jr. Brother. See, it all came around. Okay, Ron. Yeah, yes, this is Gene Simmons. Yes, I'm ready, Ron. Jeff Teolas. Kiss.
    45:49
    What do you think I'm going to say? Oh, you got me. I'm going to say kiss for everything, yes. Okay, hold on. Ron's coming back. Okay.
    46:03
    Jeff Teelis. Jeff Teelis, Google Play. Keith Alwyn's beard. That's too long, Ron. Come on. I can't think of anything for Keith Alwyn's beard.
    46:16
    Tim Sexton. Timber The Man Who Saved Pimble Harry Williams Best Machine Ever Hasn't been made yet Oh, okay Let me chuck another one in there since you didn't do the Jeff Taylor one Daldin Fun Bruce Nightingale Brother Oh my god It's too stabby.
    46:50
    Nice. Okay, moving along to the Pimble Players Podcast. Hi, Jeff. Jeff number three or four. All right, top five list. He does all the top five lists. I've still not gotten on his show. That's how we got him on. His top five list he just did in his last episode, the most overrated games. It was terrible. I agree with four out of five of them. Oh my god, it was terrible. Totally agree with... Walking Dead? Yeah, except Walking Dead. The other four, I totally agree. What were they again? Indiana Jones. Totally agree.
    47:31
    Didn't he say Star Trek Next Generation? No, he didn't say that. Maybe people should listen to his program to see what he came up with. Instead of us actually giving away all the states. We can do that. Okay, so I asked Bruce, I'm not sure if you passed it on to Ron. Nope, they won't work now. Fail. Okay, I want the top five worst Bally Williams D&D games from the 90. Or you can check the PIN 2000 ones in there as well. No, don't do that, because we'll just say the PIN 2000 ones immediately. Okay, okay, D&D only. Okay, D&D, hold on. Let me get IPDB up, since Bruce didn't give me any info. Well, Bruce can go first since he might already have one. Popeye. He's top five. Is this number five? No, okay. No, I'm not going to do an order. I'm just going to go first. And then we can actually write them down, and then we can pick an order afterwards. But because we didn't have enough time. But Popeye's definitely one.
    48:31
    Ron? Oh, we're alternating? We could. Or you guys want to go down to my five? I can do that. Because that's what we did in the last one.
    48:40
    You're killing me now, guys. Well, we alternated on the first contest. Then we did a list on the next one. So are we alternating or are we just doing a list? I'll go for a five. Let's do this.
    48:53
    Okay, hold on. Going right now to it. We're going to name the same games. Hurricane. Flintstones. Sucks. What's the shit about Flintstones?
    49:06
    I haven't played it in about three years. That's the problem. Once you play it, you'll go... Red and Ted's Roadshow.
    49:16
    Junkyard? In Junkyard, yeah. I have to go with that one, too. Yep. That's my five. So let's see. I have to come up with one. Can I take one of mine away? Yep. Oh, what do I want to take away? I can't believe you didn't name one of them. Take my roadshow. Circus Voltaire? Or Corvette? Oh, I like Corvette. I hate fucking Corvette. Oh, my God. Which one did you think I was going to say? Well, I'll wait until I'm up. Am I up? You're up. Go ahead. All right. Worst five. DMD. Williams Valley Games. Gilligan's Island.
    49:54
    Champion Pub. Oh, no way. Way better than a lot of other ones out there. It's so freaking repetitive. Sorry. Not a fan.
    50:05
    Let me see here. I don't hate Roadshow as much as you do. I hate Roadshow. God. Owned it for three weeks, got rid of it that fast.
    50:13
    I'm sorry for you, man. I'm not. Okay. Let's see. What else do we have? Do you hate Flintstones as well? I haven't played Flintstones enough to hate it like he does.
    50:26
    I'll say Popeye saves the Earth. It's the crappiest of the wide bodies. See, I actually like NBA Fast Break, so I can't put that in there. I can even say Twilight Zone because it really does suck. I am. It really does suck. I like it, but I'm not going to say it's... You can say it sucks in tournament mode because you're doing one thing, but pinball is more than that. Come on. It does suck, though. It has the most iconic sound in pinball ever. It does suck, though. Wait, what's the most iconic sound in pinball?
    50:58
    Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. What? When you get into the gumball machine. That's the most iconic sound in pinball? Sounds like it to me, because that friggin' It should be another one. No, it should be Shunned up and fight.
    51:19
    That's the best sound. I meant iconic sounds as like a sound package, not a specific sound in the pinball machine. The iconic great speech.
    51:31
    Pre-DCS. I want to hear a DCS version. All right. Man, I still got two more. It exists. Yeah, but they don't have the Golden Earring song in there, so they'd fail. Yeah, they'd fail. They'd fail.
    51:48
    I don't hate Circus Voltaire, though. Man, I just don't have as much hate as Bruce does. It's easy. Yeah, it is easy. You just have a lot of hate. Okay, Junkyard. And I need a fifth one. Just because I hate playing it. Indiana Jones at Pinball Adventure. Really? I hate that game.
    52:08
    I'm sorry. 12,000 units? Don't care. Hate it. It's all multiball. Just try to start a mode. Hit it in a scoop. Good luck. If it ever hits in a scoop. I can get mine almost all the time. Yeah, all the time. Yeah. Great. Is that a good strategy, though? Because, I mean... You can actually make more points doing modes. Yeah. If you're Bruce, it's a safer shot without the drop targets bricking on you sometimes. or, you know, shooting an air ball. Fricking targets air ball. Sounds like a great game, Bruce. Definitely top ten material right there. That's why I don't play it that way. I actually go for the modes a lot of times. You get 60 million. Easy. In three video modes? No, not even in video modes. Just the, like, other stuff you can do. I used to be able to do that video mode, the Choose Wisely one with my eyes closed. Not with my eyes closed. I just never, ever got it wrong. And then I don't know what's happening. Just I can't. It's so easy. Yeah, just in the last couple of years, I just can't do it. I blink at the wrong time and it's gone.
    53:11
    Horrible. Video modes in pinball. All right, let's move on to coast-to-coast pinball. Ron Bruce, please interview the latest designer from Stern and then disappear for three or four months. Can you guys do that? I can do that. Done. Okay. All right.
    53:28
    Pinball profile with Jeff to yours. Okay. Listen very carefully, guys. It's now time for another Pinball Profile. I am your host, Jeff Giovas. You can find us on Facebook. We are also on Twitter at pinballprofile. Email us at pinballprofile at gmail.com. Please subscribe on either iTunes, Stitcher, or Google Play. And don't forget to check out our under-construction website at pinballprofile.com. You got that, guys? Yep. Whoever says that the fastest wins. Okay? Oh, God.
    53:59
    I don't know the whole thing. You're allowed. I don't know it either. God, I don't even know it either. Okay, let's see who goes first. Ron, ready, set, go. Hi, I'm Jeff Teelis. This is Pinball Profile. Look for us at our under-construction website at www.pinballprofile.com. Look for us on iTunes, Stitcher, and Google Play. I'm Jeff Teelis.
    54:21
    You missed about two lines. Of course I did. That was 11 seconds. All right, Bruce, you ready? Set, go. Blah, blah, blah, take off A. blah, blah, blah, my construction website sucks, blah, blah, blah, I'm Jeff Teolis.
    54:39
    Take off A. Do we get bonus points if we're like Pinside PD or if we're Sylvester Stallone or if we're the – That's not Jeff Teolis. Oh, of course it's not. Those are true people. They're real people. If I want to be Jeff Teolis, should I just do impersonations? Hi, I'm Gene Simmons. How's it going?
    55:00
    How's it going? You see? This is good. How's it going? Have you played any Family Guy Ding Dong? It's an excellent game.
    55:08
    All right. Are you guys ready to do slam the top 200 to 300? Oh, gosh. Bad games are rama. All right. Here we go. The first one, the first number is going to be Bruce's number. You ready, Bruce? Yes, I want to hear her. Go for it. Please generate a number from 200 to 300.
    55:29
    Right up. 264. Ali. Ooh. That's a game you know about. Yes. Ron, this is you. Please generate a number from 200 to 300.
    55:49
    Coming right up. 209. Got lady hot shots. Ooh. What the hell, Gabe? Is that the Top Gun, like, takeoff?
    56:07
    No. What is this? It's rated higher, way higher, 50 positions higher, so you should have no problems wiping the floor with it. Oh, God. I've got to look at the game. I think it's the Carnival one. What?
    56:24
    Oh, it's a terrible game. Hot shot. Premiere. Is it terrible? There's a cute teddy bear on the fly. Well, wait a minute. There's two of these hot shots. There's one with a Z. Which one is it? No, it's the S. It's the S. It's the drop target of Roland, ugly, and oh, my God. Oh, that's great. Look at this. Oh. Well, you get to talk about it in a few seconds. It's great. Where's the flyer? So I can just rip that off here. Okay, here we go. Girl and teddy bear, yeah.
    56:56
    Legendary Deep Root designer, John Norris. That's how you start it off with. Okay, so who talks first, me or Mr.? Well, Ron goes first, and you can only talk about Hot Shots because he has a lower number. So when you're ready, Ron. Hot Shots. Look at the innovative cabinet design. Start the big game by ringing the bell on the plunger shot. Did you get the big win? Explode onto the play field for carnival fun. Look at this wonderful new game by Gottlieb. Drop targets galore. Our state-of-the-art flippers. This is one of the greatest games Gottlieb has ever produced. have our extremely reliable System 3 hardware. I give you hot shots.
    57:37
    All right, Bruce, you can only talk about Ali. Go for it. Stern, pinball's greatest pinball of all time. Ali, you wanted the best. You got the best. You got the Ali.
    57:51
    Sucker, it's the best pinball ever. You have good artwork, complicated rules for a 1980s pinball machine, And not no clown. You get a good guy, a great guy, a guy who is world champion. And the only company that can bring it to you was Stern Electronics.
    58:11
    With a ripped off board set. A game that is the best game of all time, but not as good as Dragon Dance.
    58:18
    Oh, by the way, Hot Shots is actually not the untested new System 3 hardware. It's actually the tried and true tested Gottlieb System 80B hardware. clearly superior to the redesigned just thought I'd make that correct so now who's turn is it it's Ron's turn you can either keep on talking about how cool Gutley Hot Shots is or you can bag Ali and how filthy he is I'm not as good as Dragon Fist Ali not as good as Dragon Fist I mean three eject holes on top how boring I mean just at this point Harry Williams had really lost it he just did not have his finger on the pulse of pinball anymore And the back glass, I mean, it's got like 20 pictures of Ali, and you can't see any of them because all the paint's come off of every Ali back glass ever made. And purple, what kind of color is that? And sounds that don't match the theme at all. It sounds like you're playing Galaxy or Space Game. Just terrible theme integration. Ali sucks. Thank you.
    59:21
    That's a lot to live up to, Bruce. What can you say about Ali? Hot shots. First, System ADV. Terrible board set right off the bat. Pedophile's Dream with the back glass.
    59:35
    Underage girl sitting there, you know, scantily clad. One's covering up her boobs because, you know, we can't have that showing off in an 80s game with the old guy. What's with that little kid at the bottom of the ceiling? I know. He's like peeking up her. If he had a dress on, he'd be peeking right up her dress. Pedophile's Dream. Then we get to the beautiful play field art. Oh, yes, it's a dream. With a creepy clown.
    60:00
    All these animals. What the eff are these fucking animals doing in this thing? Yes, let's put in 16 drop targets with one pop bumper in the middle. And crappy Gottlieb rules. And, oh, my God. It's just like somebody threw up on this fucking play field. Just went and done. Terrible fucking game. Terrible system. them. This is why, this is one of the last ADBs because they couldn't sell them at all. How do these ramps even work on Hot Shots? I'm looking at the pay-per-view. Where do you enter in from it? I don't get it. It's terrible.
    60:34
    So you're our one voter now, Ron. Ryan. No, you've got to in true head-to-head style, you have to put it on Facebook. It's easy. You can just do a two-person vote and you can see all the votes. You know, listener interaction. That'll be you, Bruce. Okay. I'll get the good pictures, though.
    60:53
    It's all about who gets the gifts, okay. Pretty much. No one listens to the argument. Mrs. Pin is from Mrs. Pin's pinball podcast. Motherfucker, cocksucker, goddamn asshole, motherfucker. Womp, womp, womp. Sorry.
    61:08
    I was about to say, you can either swear or give me a womp. So, Bruce, you've already done it. Bruce, do you want to drop some F-bombs or do you want to give me a womp? What the fuck, goddamn motherfucker, goddamn motherfucker. I'm a teacher with Tourette's. Let me miss this.
    61:25
    I do not want to be on her bad side. I feel bad for Mr. Penn sometimes. I feel bad for Doc Penn. I love her, but oh my God.
    61:37
    My turn? Your turn. Yes, sir. Booyah! Peace! Okay. Peace. What's up, dude and dudettes? What did you say? What's up, Brucey and Ron Ron? Oh, God.
    61:55
    This flippin' podcast. They don't really have too many segments we can rip off, but do you guys like wrestling? I like wrestling. Do you guys like wrestling? Well, you know, brother, I like pro wrestling. You know that, dude. I have hammer hands.
    62:09
    Give me your favorite wrestler. My favorite wrestler? Yeah. I will say, I'll say The Rock. You can't go wrong with The Rock. Just as a wrestler or, you know, extended through his acting career? No. He's the most electrifying man in sports entertainment. Everyone knows that. Come on. Okay.
    62:30
    He's so PG in his movies. I know he's, like, the big movie star that every movie that he's in now, like, does really well in the box office. But he's so PC compared to, like, the 80s and 90s action stars. Yeah, just watch any of his WWF clips from the 90s. He was definitely not PG in any of those. Really? Okay. Oh, yeah. I understand. Yes.
    62:53
    Brucey Baby? Yes, sir. Who's your favorite wrestler? Bullseye. Yeah! Bullseye. I bring it all back to him.
    63:11
    It's really the only fun mode in Spider-Man. Ron, why did you sell Star Trek and keep Spider-Man? I don't get it. Thank you. Okay, that's the sixth person now to say that.
    63:22
    I don't have to give an explanation to anybody. Screw all of you. Okay, I mean, what's your thought process? Hold on, hold on.
    63:32
    Ryan, which one do you own? I own both. Okay. I bought Star Trek. I've never sold it. I bought Spider-Man, sold it, bought it back, had it for a month, and put it on the site. Okay. And what does Martin own?
    63:49
    The Statric. And what does Bruce own? Both. The Statric. Yeah. Okay. And what were they? All LEs, right? Yeah.
    64:00
    Ron, what did you sell? So if I just sell the Spider-Man Black Edition, I'll be all set, and maybe you won't get on my case anymore? No, no, no. You need to have one of them.
    64:11
    No, no, I don't. I really don't. You sold the Superior game. Hardly played it, dude. I played a Spider-Man even less. I think you might get played two or three times a year by me.
    64:23
    The problem that a lot of people have with Star Trek is that it's very score-based. People don't feel like they're on any kind of progression through the game, even though they are progressing through the game. It's just, how do I maximize my score at all times? But you're a tournament guy, Ron, so you should like that about Star Trek. Well, I love playing in tournaments. That's how I got into the finals of the Deadpool Watch Party last year. Last weekend. Okay. Huge comeback on Star Trek. Oh, yeah. I love playing it. Just never going to explain why you sold that beautiful machine.
    64:54
    It just didn't do it for me. Did you ever get to, like, the deep end of the game, like, Enterprise and Marco? No. No? Okay. Like a Spider-Man, I've never seen Super Hero. Never will. Super Hero is completing every single... Now, what do you have to do to get into Super Hero? You go through every mode. Yeah. And play every... What is it? All three... Is it three villains? That's it. There are four villains, but three levels. Three times. Three levels also. Three different levels for each villain.
    65:22
    Is that the purple mode? Is that the purple insert? Is that superhero? Is that? It's in center. It's white. Ah, okay. So what's the other one? What's the mini wizard mode then? That's the, what's it called? Come on, Bruce. You own the game. I own it. I don't play as much as you. Battle Royale for those. Battle Royale. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I've been to that one. Which is awesome. So, okay, you like nuanced rules, Ryan. If you're going to get to Battle Royale, right, get in the mode, finish the mode, and then all the white lights will flash, hit the right ramp to triple it, then start Battle Royale. The problem with me playing Spider-Man is that I never really get into all modes. Like, in every Lime and Cheeks game, he makes the first version of something easier. Like, you know, to get into a mode or to qualify something, just do it one or two times. But in Spider-Man, it's just always, like, all the white shots. You have to hit the entire play field. And the chances of that happening before you get into multi-ball, for me, is pretty slim.
    66:28
    So modes just don't happen. It's not, like, balanced out in that way for me, personally. All right. Yeah. Spider-Man. Okay.
    66:39
    What was that part of? That was this... No, that wasn't... That was this podcast we were doing. Okay.
    66:46
    Christopher Franchi's super-duper, awesome, extreme, mega podcast. Whenever that podcast comes out. Yeah. Ron, don't upload this podcast. And almost the same as Riptide Podcast as well. Just don't record, but don't edit it. Okay. That's two podcasts in one. Done. Buffalo Pinball. Are you guys ready to review a game? Okay. Do you want to review any game, or do you have one in mind you would like to review, or generate a random number? You tell us what you want us to review. This is your show. No. No, this is your segment. Should we do Demolition Man, or should we Generator Shit 1? Generator Shit 1. She's going to Generate 1. All right. I'll do it from... One to 300. Yes, so we'll get the crap one. We can get a crap one. You know what? I'll do it all the way to the end because it goes up to 300 and... Where is it?
    67:45
    357. Okay, so 150 to the last number. Okay. 150. You're going to assume that we played it. Of course. Please generate a number from 150 to 357.
    67:59
    Because what shows... Whoops. Please generate a number from 150 to 357. I found this in your Gmail. Doesn't seem to want to do it unless it's from zero to that. These are the 357 pornos you watched in the last week.
    68:23
    I'm going to do it from zero to 350. Okay. Please generate a number from 0 to 350. All right. 52. Roadshow. Roadshow, all right.
    68:45
    Love Roadshow, right? All right, let's... Okay, let's do this quickly. I'm going to run down the segments. So, art. What do you guys think of the art?
    68:56
    Shit. Even though it's go-seed shit. I give it a six. I don't have any problems with the art. I'll give it, like, seven. All right. I'll give it a 6.5 so I can jam in between you guys. Oh, wow. Okay.
    69:13
    What do you guys think of the sound, including, I guess, that awesome country music that plays when you're in multi-ball?
    69:21
    I'll let you do one first. Give a little thing I see without you. Yeah, but you know it. See, it worked. It worked. So bad that she's had so many hits since... Oh, no, she hasn't. How do you know? She could have lots of hits on the country charts. I'm sure you don't follow them. I follow her religiously, just like her and Reba.
    69:42
    Okay. Redhead thing, huh? You got it. All right. So, let's see. The sound... Here's the thing. Is it sound and... That's right. They don't split the sound of music, don't they? It's just sound. Five. No, no. It's time. It's got Tim Kudrow. One of the greatest voiceover guys ever. Oh, come on. Okay, 4.5.
    70:07
    I give it a seven. Two sevens. Yeah, it sounds good. I think it's got some good call-outs. It does make me laugh, the Indian accent. It does. So you laugh at the offensive things. Yes, very racist. 100%. The racist stuff just makes me laugh every time. I'm sure.
    70:28
    The views expressed are not those of the Swamp Tilt podcast. I'll give it a seven. And the three points off is for the music. Toys and Necks.
    70:40
    Oh, you got it. Come on. It's got the bulldozer. I mean, it never works. What do you mean it never works? I can't remember the last time I played one that didn't work. I had two of them in my area that didn't work.
    70:52
    The shaker motor with the blast on it. The shaker motor? Cool, that's the only thing. Eight and a half, baby.
    70:59
    Seven. What is there besides the bulldozer? The two heads. The two heads alone are, like, insane. Do you think that was literally like, hey, fun house, guys. Fun house as well. Yes. Times a bus too. That was the whole idea of the game. And they're related somehow, right?
    71:19
    Yeah, they got heads. Cousins. Okay, so, Bruce, what did you give it? I gave it a 7. Run? You gave it 8.5. Okay.
    71:31
    Yeah, I gave it a 7.5. Got in there again. Okay. Next up is code. The rules. What do you guys think of the rules? This is the way flawedest game. Free. You get stuck in purgatory with some of these modes Did you guys last Time them out Not fun Just a terrible game Five hate the linear rule set Yep. You got to go through the, I know what they're trying, the whole game was programmed, and this was in the promo video for the game that Pat Waller said. It was purposely programmed to encourage buy-ins. That's the whole purpose of the linear rule set. Yep. You can go to YouTube right now and just look up promo videos. There's the one for Roadshow, and he flat out says, it is designed in a linear fashion to encourage buy-ins. So more people get further into the game. When did buy-ins get introduced? Was that one of the first games, or was it before that? No, T2 had buy-ins, didn't it? No. No? T2 didn't have buy-ins. Judge Dredd. Next Generation. Next Generation does. Probably around, like, does Spies don't have it? I don't think it does. No, it's high zone. It does? It does. Yes, in the home ROMs, you can actually hold that button to do the flipper hold.
    72:50
    What? You can hold the button to get the flipper hold. What does that mean? If you actually want to stop the game and you have a ball cradled, you can actually hit the home ROM, hold the flipper up, and hold the buy-in button for like five seconds, and it's used to flip her up. All right. Without you touching it. You didn't know that? I've never played the home ROM. you can also cheat your way into Lost in the Zone. So I would say around 93.
    73:19
    They must have done it. Do you think, Ron Bruce, at the Civil War Saloon, do you have any games with that enabled? Yes. Does it work? No.
    73:33
    I have it on Demoman, I have it on Indiana Jones, I have it on what is it one I think I have it on. There's only two.
    73:44
    Oh, and I have it on Dirty... Does Dirty Harry have it? It does. The problem is I turn them all off so I never even see the animations on the screen or any of the call-outs, so I forget which ones even have it. The only one I know is No Fear, I Miss It, because Skull yells at you, which I think is hilarious. He literally just, come on! Buy in! Winners never quit! I think Some games give you more than others. Some games just kind of continue on and give you like a five-second extra ball save. Is it Judge Dredd that it's like an instant multiple or something? Super game. If you play a super game at the beginning. Okay. You pay more to play a super game. But Indiana Jones, you get ten seconds of ball save. And you get a mode. Instant start mode. Yeah. But it can't be one of the modes of a video mode. Could it? No, it can be a video mode, and the ball never shoots out. So when you press it, yeah, you're like, hey, what the hell's going on? There's a malfunction, but then everything kind of starts, and then you're in a video mode straight away. All right, so codes, Bruce, you gave it a three. Ron, you gave it... Five. Yeah, it's the whole Ghostbusters linear thing. You want to be kind of randomly surprised by the pinball machine and not want to go down a path of no return. So I'll give it a five as well. Okay, lighting.
    75:10
    Lighting of games in the 90s is like nothing. Well, there's no pinch stadium or LEDs, so clearly it's a one. It's just terrible.
    75:18
    Okay, lighting. I have no trouble. I give it an eight or seven because I do like the flasher for the earthquake zone, for the rumble zone where you don't win the slide shot. I'll give it an eight. I mean, first time, you can see everything on the play field. That can't be said by some other against Demoman, that you can see everything, you know? What? What are you talking about with Demoman? Demoman's dark as hell. Dark as hell compared to this game. I got LEDs in my room. You got some LEDs? I do. Yeah, GI LEDs, and it's still freaking dark. What type of LEDs are you using? Oh, I'm not using the Winter is Coming brand of LEDs. Is that the problem? Cordia burning. They're called Stevie LEDs. Cordia burning. I think we all do. No. Some people... Your face melts like... You have chosen poorly.
    76:16
    Someone should actually do that as a joke. Ryan Wanger from Comet LEDs, he should make an LED called You Have Chosen Poorly, and it's just the brightest one that you can ever think of. It melts your face.
    76:31
    See, Ryan, our first experiences with LEDs were not positive. Exactly. Like, we played a T2. I remember. Payback time. Payback time! I remember all your stories. Holy shit, I can't see the bar! The throw-up of everyone that wants to do color-matching GI and all this other stuff. Clown lighting. Clown crap is not for me.
    76:55
    I like your idea, though. From now on, we're going to call them CB LEDs. Cornea burning. LEDs. And it should be noted that our favorite designer who loves to make flashers go for, you know, your favorite designer, Ryan, see? Who's your favorite rules designer? I have a massive hard-on for Dwight Sullivan. You got it. He loves flashers, so we should tell him to install all the CB LEDs we can. This is the thing with Dwight Sullivan. He loves flashes so much, he decided in certain games that he will make insert lights, which aren't flashes, into flashes. He's just like, instead of having five flashes on the play field, let's just make every light in the game a flasher. Genius. Burn them all out.
    77:43
    What was I getting at? Oh, yes. You need LEDs that spread the light. You can't... Don't buy the ones that just, you know, send light straight up onto your roof. you need ones that have a dome that spread the light outwards. Spread the love. What's your lighting number, Mr. Ryan? Yeah, I don't know, 7 out of 10. Lighting in games, you know, I guess for a wide variety, it'd be better than other games, but there's no crazy light effects that make the game fun, like the newer games. The last one, I think I've done this wrong because I did code and rules. I guess last ability. Is that one of their statements? Oh, God. Last ability. How long will you be able to play this game for before getting one? One. I give it a one.
    78:31
    Wow. Because I had mine for three weeks. Gone. Last ability. Five. I'm going to give it a three because same with mine lasted less than that. And I got mine for free as well, so there was no money involved. It was just like, hey, Ryan, here's a free pinball machine. You can look after it for a while. And I was like, hey, man, you've got to get this thing out of my house. It's that bad. Wow.
    78:57
    Yeah. The start of the multiple music is fine, because it's only if you've lasted multiple long enough for her to start really singing. And she's like, no, I don't want to. Pinball's hardcore. I went like, yeah, you know, Steve Ritchie. Yeah. I don't want country music. When I get multiple and I get the jackpot, I just want to drain the ball instantaneously. Yes, I'm done.
    79:20
    All right, Bruce, so what's your overall score? I'm not going to have to... Oh, you've got to give us the ratings. Oh, yeah, the Burnett and all that stuff. The two Burnetts. You know, Freedom Firewoods. Okay, we're going to make our own one. Freedom Firewoods. Or try it at the Silver Ball Saloon to make some money back so you don't lose money on it. Keep it in your house or never sell it. The four we're making up. Drop it off the roof like Todd from TNT. put it at the Silver Ball Saloon see if it can make any money yeah I'll check out the Silver Ball Saloon as well okay alright we're moving along with this long segment okay straight down the middle Greg and Zach they've got a lot of segments as well but one of my favorites is this or that so I will give you two scenarios or two pinball machines this or that, and you just give me which one you like. Okay? And you can't say neither. Okay? As much as you want to say it, you can't say both or neither. Understood? Okay. Roger. All right.
    80:32
    The Hobbit or Wizard of Oz? Wizard of Oz. Yeah, Wizard of Oz. Okay. Would you rather own a Starz or an Iron Maiden? Stars.
    80:48
    Ah, Keith Allen's crying right now. It's a great game, Keith. No offense. It is a great game, but you know stars is still stars.
    80:56
    Okay, would you rather be taken out for a bro date with Keith Allen with shorts or Keith Allen wearing a suit?
    81:05
    Shorts. But it's got to be a Rochester winter day. Yeah, I want to see that. Would you rather learn the rules of Pies of the Caribbean or be punched in the nuts for an hour? Punched in the nuts for an hour. You make it two.
    81:26
    I'd rather learn the rules. I do not want to be punched in the nuts. Oh, come on. After the first two or three, you'll be passed out. You won't even notice the thing.
    81:36
    Okay, if you were sitting on the TNT roof with Tud Tucky, the nice, beautiful sun of the day, and you had to throw, and there's Ghostbusters on your left and Star Wars on your right, the new Star Wars, which one would you rather throw off the roof?
    81:52
    Ghostbusters. Star Wars. Okay. Why Ghostbusters, Ron? You chose this game. He didn't choose the game. He picked the game poorly. Yeah, I picked poorly. I could have had a Walking Dead premium. That was a mistake. But, you know, it was a mistake I recovered from nicely by selling it. Yes. Well, I lucked out. It was one of the non-ghosting ones, so that helped with the sale.
    82:17
    It was delayed so long before I got it. That's probably the only reason it wasn't a ghosting one. This was a later run. Ghostbusters. Did you know anyone that had a pro or an LE that got it swapped out? Did you guys have that exchange program in the US? You did, right? I knew somebody, yes. Yeah. If anyone knew anyone, it'd be Bruce. I wouldn't know anyone. The ghosting thing ended up working okay for a lot of people because they played this shit out of their game and they were kind of ready to sell it anyway and they sold it with a brand new machine pretty much when they went to sell it. Yeah, still a pain in the ass. Yeah. I don't hate Star Wars like Bruce. That was an easy choice for me. Worst Steve Ritchie ever.
    82:57
    No. Yes. No. Yes. So Hyperball's better. Hyperball's a lot better. Stellar Wars is better. Black Knight 2000 is better? Yes. Oh, easily. Based on what? Just the sound package? Sound package, and now you know how to play it, and it's easy. Yeah, I know how to play it, and it's easy. Great criteria, Bruce. It's better than that fucking pile of shit, the Stern. Now, everyone says I'm a Stern boy. That is the worst fucking Stern in four years.
    83:29
    Just for you, though, right? Because it does make a shitload of money on site. It makes a lot of money on site. I'm just telling you, I do not like the game. I do not enjoy it. When I walk up to that game, I do not enjoy it. And I'm a big Star Wars nut. It is just like the biggest disappointment when I play the game. The only thing that's fun about the game is when the music starts.
    83:54
    And when it's sitting there idle and you see the scrolling from like the Star Wars, the new hope, that's it.
    84:01
    Other than that, big donkey dick. All right. I went the other day to the place where I've got pinball machines set up, and I was setting up before the tournament, you know, turning extra balls off and whatnot, and they've got a Star Wars there. It's a pro. And I watched a guy kind of just bounce around from one pinball machine to another. I've never seen him before. He wasn't part of the tournament. And he was kind of like trying each game once, you know, going from one to another. And when he got to Star Wars, he sat there and he pumped about $20 in there, and he had no idea what he was doing. and he was, I'm not sure if it's the inflated scoring because he finished the game with 150 million, which is a shit Star Wars score, but compared to, he just jumped off the Hobbit and the creature, like he's not going to get anywhere near that.
    84:46
    And he didn't even like, he was getting into the TIE Fighter hurry up and he wasn't doing anything. I couldn't help it. I went there and I started smashing the button for him, which I know is totally rude, but I'm just like, keep on doing that and you'll get into multi-ball. And then I just, he just said that even longer and I'm like, fuck, I shouldn't have told him how to play Star Wars. I wasn't going to put any money in my machines. But I don't know. There are shit games for me and you, but people... It's a true blue money maker. It's still a terrible machine. You don't have it at the saloons, do you? No.
    85:19
    But you would have it. You've got Ghostbusters. Do you have Ghostbusters there? I do have Ghostbusters there. How's that going, Coindrop players? Not bad. This month is the tournament game for our selfie league, so it's doing better, you know, this month. But, you know, I think it's on average pretty good, but, you know, it's still Ghostbusters. But I'd still push Star Wars off first.
    85:42
    Do you, okay, getting back to that in a second, just looking at that signing stuff as a sidetrack thing, do you keep track of how much money certain machines make? Yeah, of course. Yeah, do you keep track of how much they make as a percentage of their value? Like, like stars, for example? No. No, okay. No, no, I just go by what they're taking in. And then I have to, I adjust it to the highest game value. So Medieval Madness is a dollar a play. Yeah. So you can't compare Medieval Madness, of course, to Star Wars. Ah, of course, of course. So then I double, even though it's inflated a little bit, you want to see what it could take in. And, you know, Star is honestly going to be this month top five. I've got six on site now and I started tracking the percentage of how much it's worth I've had some good deals on certain machines the Hobbit I bought brand new so it was at the highest price and the Hobbit for example makes the most money still but it has the lowest return on investment as a percentage of how much the machine is cost Getaway makes the least amount of any machine it's the only Williams machine I have there but it makes easily the highest return on investment out of all the machines. Because you bought it low. That's why. Yeah, because I bought it for like, you know, yeah, like a third of the price of the Hobbit.
    87:07
    So it's interesting. Like, you know, what machines do you put on sites? Do you put on the ones that make a lot of money but cost you a lot or the cheap ones that, you know, collectively you've got lower capital investment? It depends on your clientele also. Yeah. I don't run the bar. I'm there once a month. so I only get a snapshot of what, you know. But the place that I've put pin machines at now has 24 machines, 24. So it's just like, I think it's a bit almost overboard with, you know, the more machines you put there, right, like the coin drop gets spread across all of them. Oh, it does, of course. It does, of course. But it does, don't forget, as the owner or the operator, you can bias games by location, by what, like right now this month, the Ghostbusters is the selfie league. So of course more people are going to play it because they want to be in the selfie league and get points. So that will be changing price. Right now I have a competition on Starz right now where, you know, if you get the high score, not a high score, if you get a score, you get something for that. And there's other things. You can actually influence your coin intake. Even though you're saying it's spread out, you can influence which games will get it and which games won't. And where is the Silver Balls Balloon located, Bruce? It's in beautiful East Rochester, New York at 135 West Commercial Street. I'm glad we're talking about this or that. Oh, yeah. Wasn't that what we were talking about?
    88:36
    Just to get us back on track because we have mail and Bruce has a Would You Not Buy That? Okay, okay, okay. All right, let's power through. Okay. Watching in person the light show in Blackwater Multi-Ball without the ability to close your eyes for one hour straight or poking needles in your eyes?
    88:57
    Watching. Okay. And what is this or that? What is the biggest surprise of 2018? The success of Iron Maiden or the fact that Tim Sexton elected to remove his third testicle?
    89:16
    I would say the fact that he elected to remove the third testicle. Yeah, I thought he was really potent before, and now he's a little less potent. So, yeah, that's... He's not impotent, but he's a little... Come on! Come on. All right, home stretch here, guys. A couple more to go. Pinball News with Jonathan Houston and Munn. You guys can either attend more shows together as a team, or, Bruce, do you want to shove some socks down your pants and just increase the size of your pants?
    89:49
    Of course I want to go to more shows. I don't get it. I'll show you the picture after the show. Oh, my.
    90:01
    Do I want to see this picture? No. It's just so good. All right, Tim, want to go? The Spooky Pinball Podcast.
    90:09
    Jeez. Someone want to tell me either how to fix EMs, or do you want to talk about Godzilla? Either one of them. I love Godzilla. Love Godzilla? Oh, no. I'd rather learn how to fix EMs. Okay, done. Okay, and the last one, the Pinball Podcast.
    90:26
    They did their Mount Rushmore, which was the four most important people in pinball ever, idolized, right, on Mount Rushmore. So do you guys have four people that you think are the most important people?
    90:42
    Well, there'd be, let's see. I think Harry Williams. Round the bat. We'll get him right up there. I'd have to say Gary Stern.
    90:51
    He's had a pinball company and his whole family for 40 years. So, but, yeah, but there's Sam Stern and Gary Stern. Well, I would say still Gary because he's actually the only one. Although he did keep, you know, pinball did survive basically because his company was still there. So we'll put him on there. Mr. Sharp. Oh, really? You think Josh should be on there? I don't think so. Yeah, he is number two, you know. Oh, you mean Roger Sharp. Yes. Okay, okay. So who's the fourth one? Any credits? No, God, no. It's got to be still another designer. Or it could be another owner. Isn't there a Gottlieb we don't have on there? Who's the one that designed the flippers for Humpty Dumpty? It was one of the famous ones. Hold on. Harry Mavs. So you're putting Harry Mavs on there for inventing the flipper?
    91:41
    Actually, it could either be Harry Mavs or Jerry Koshy. please write in at slams of podcast at gmail.com Harry Mavs was a godly employee who was credited to inventing the EM flipper Jerry Koshy who worked for Chicago Coin claimed to have invented it which he received a patent for alright so there you go we'll do half face so it'll be like two face off John Travolta and Nicholas Cage I'm done that's the statement that's why I came on the show Yes.
    92:17
    Love you. An hour and a half segment done. Love it. Time for the mail ball bag. Ball bag it is. Let's hear it, big boy. All right. First email is from Mike Dimas.
    92:29
    And some of these actually should have been last week, but I failed. Thanks for the Tiger Rag shout out. From what I understand, it's likely the Tiger Rag was actually a misspelling. It was supposed to be Tiger Raj, like R-A-J, with Raj meaning king. So it means Tiger King. And Bruce mentioned that Tiger Rag, Raj, was a reskin of Kings of Steel, but that is not actually the case. Bell Games made their own unique fully populated play field with their own unique plastics and drop targets, et cetera. The play field was made to fit older ballet cabinets. My Tiger Rag play field was installed in an old Mata Hari cabinet. The other Tiger Rag play field that was mentioned was installed in a Kings of Steel cabinet.
    93:11
    So you're wrong again, Bruce. No, hold on. The playfield also came with art for the head and cabinet made of metal, a backless, and a few bell circuit boards, a power supply, and two sound boards, and some instructions in semi-broken English for the operators on how to install and wire up a new playfield. There you go. He also had a would you buy that, and I think if I click on this, it's actually expired because I waited too long. I'm sorry.
    93:39
    Tiger rag. Hold on. Converging kit. Okay. He wants to prove he's not wrong. It says right in it, conversion kit for Bally Midway 1984 Kings of Steel in IPDB. Just stating facts here that I see on IPDB. And that makes it fact because it's IPDB. Yes, of course. All right.
    93:58
    Next email is from Sean. Hi, Sean. He's Sean from Canada. He said, not an eBay listing, but amusing nonetheless. And he has a link. And if you look at this thing, it is a basically Molson, Molson Golden, you know, the Canadian beer. It is a pinball machine, brand Molson Breweries. It's just got like one of their drinks on it. One of a kind. It looks like it's owned by Mr. Jeff Molson, who I assume is part of the Molson family. Asking price is $2 million.
    94:36
    Million. $2 million. And if you look at the play field on this thing, it looks like ass. Number one, it looks like it was a re-theme of something else. But it looks terrible. Take off, eh? Yeah.
    94:53
    And they want $2 million for it. Okay. We would not buy this. Bruce doesn't even see the picture, and he will not buy it. Nope. $2 million is way too much. $2 million is way too much for any game, even Supreme. Yep. Even to train.
    95:09
    All right. We have Control GI, our little stumper question. This is from Andrew Clark. He said, hi, Ron. I was listening to your discussion about Control GI, and I think you would argue, you could argue that Space Station actually has four.
    95:26
    Solenoid 9 is white GI. Solenoid 10 is green GI. Solenoid 11 is insert GI. And Solenoid 15. Run. Yes. Andrew Clark is from Australia, so you've got to do it in the Australian accent. Oh, God.
    95:38
    I don't do the Australian accent anymore. Solenoid 9, white GI. Solenoid 10, green GI. Solenoid 11, insert GI. Solenoid 15, playfield top panel flashes. Rather than a coil relay or flash lamp, Q14 controls three 28-volt 1251 bulbs. I'll drop the accent. Behind the orange domes in the rear playfield panel.
    96:02
    Though the manual calls them flashers, they feel like GI. They're on most of the game, though they turn off at various times for effect, independently of the other GI strings. Certainly when the 1251s are missing or blown, like when someone puts 89s in there, the back right corner of the game is way darker during general play. He said blown.
    96:25
    So that means if I play a space station and it's, like, really dark, it's probably because those lights are blown out and no one's putting the right lights in there. Blown. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Clark. And we have some others. Okay. This one is from Mike Dimas again about the – Mike, sell me or trade me your catacomb. He is – more Flash Gordon. Hi, Rob. Thanks again for addressing my Flash Gordon issue on your Slam Tilt Tech episode. I would love to hear more Tech episodes. The programming side is interesting, but I enjoy learning how to diagnose and resolve issues, including board issues. If you wanted more info for future tech segments, I can follow up. If you've had enough of Flash Gordon, then please disregard the following.
    97:09
    So should we continue? Continue. You get the official yawn from Bruce. Watch Ryan see you and be like, oh, yeah, it's this. And boom, the problem's solved.
    97:21
    The bonus inserts in question are 1K, sometimes 2K, 3K, and 4K on the mini bonus ladder. So you got that? Scott was asking if the game was LED. It is all incandescent. Also, the MPU is original and not an Altec. Just a reminder, he swapped the MPU with a new Altec board, swapped the solenoid driver, swapped the lamp driver, but the issue is not resolved. I even swapped the auxiliary lamp board with an untested board, but I think it made things worse. The superflasher on the back box started going a bit crazy, so I unplugged it pretty much right away. That was pretty much inconclusive. I also repinned J1 on the MPU. He thinks he said J4 before. If you unplug the auxiliary lamp driver, the issue goes away, but I'm assuming that is because the controlled lamps on the back box are effectively turned off. The bonus lamps are only affected when the back box controlled lamps are working plugged in. I have yet to repin the other back box connectors, so that will be my next step, I am thinking. One very interesting thing I found out when reading the manual is that the 1K lamp goes to pin 011 on the U1, yeah, on U1 on the lamp board. 2K goes to pin 0 slash 11 on U2. 3K goes to pin 0 slash 11 on, well, it doesn't say. And 4K goes to pin 011 on U4. So it's all the same pin, I think he's saying. Let me know what your tech gurus think of all of this. Thanks again, Mike. Sell me your catacomb. Thanks.
    99:01
    So we will forward this on to Scott and see what he thinks. He might have more stuff for you. Anything else? We have a Would You Buy That from the Pinball Princess.
    99:12
    Ooh. Well, I'm sure the Riptide Pinball Podcast is coming out any day now. Any day now. as Christopher Franchi's name is Christopher Franchi. Yeah, I think they're both on the same schedule.
    99:24
    So we have, these are from Pinside. Same game. Same seller. But I think it's actually, it's the same, it's two copies of the same game.
    99:35
    It's for sale. Countdown! The user is D-A-L-Y 124. So, Bruce, bring it up. I got Pinside. I wasn't prepared for that. I wasn't prepared for Pinside. Never am. Okay, what's the search? Just search for countdown.
    99:54
    So Bruce has it up. I mean the countdown. There's two countdowns for the same seller. One is $550. Yeah, with some play for your wear. Yep, 1979 Gottlieb Countdown. Works 100%. Cabin is in good shape. Playfield does have some wear spots. But there is a nearly full sheet of Mylar covering the playfield. It's in good condition. So they cover the wear after the wear. Mm-hmm. So look at those picks. Can deliver to the White Rose Game Room Show if interested.
    100:26
    Located in Brick, New Jersey. Then we have another one from the same seller. Another countdown. $800.
    100:33
    Which is nicer. Yep. A really good condition. Works 100%. Plays in good shape with only a few minor touch-ups. Back glass is really good. Someone's touched it up at one time. Upgrades include remote battery holder, new caps on power supply board and grab mods. No MPU, battery acid damage. also can be delivered to the White Rose Game Room Show in October of Interest, located in Brick, New Jersey. I'd buy that one, the second one.
    100:58
    So you'd buy the second one, you wouldn't buy the other one, even though it's only $550? The wear is horrible. It is horrible. Front and center. Yeah. I guess I should see the picture. Oh, yeah, the wear is horrible. Yes, see? How does the wear even go there? The flipper doesn't reach that high, so like specifically right there. Yeah, it's right above the flipper area, like where the inserts, the 2000 insert is like obliterated. Yeah. You know, the art is. So there you go. So we would buy the second one, but not the first one. Yes, I agree.
    101:36
    Guys are so lucky that you get pinballs so freaking cheap. Like, if someone, that second one for $800, if that was in Australia, you would have people murdering each other to get it for $800. Murder, I love that. Just nothing goes that cheap. Well, it is a prison colony, right? So I could totally see that happening. Totally agree with that. Is the backlash on the $800... I'm sorry, the $500 one, the backlash is horrible. It is. The guy's face is like pimples and stuff all over it. It's like he's been burned in the fire. It's a dimple in the ass, oh my.
    102:07
    Jesus. All right. Hey, you're yawning there, I sounded like. What? No, me never. That's not the contract. I'm not allowed to yawn. Oh, I thought I heard a yawn there. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I'll edit it out. No, I'll talk about it all day then. Oh, of course you will. Of course I will. All right. Would we or would we not buy that? eBay edition.
    102:28
    Everyone get their browsers up. I'm getting it up right now as we speak. I'm sure you are. Great material, Bruce. It never gets old. It never does. It's like Beavis and Butthead. It just never gets old. So they have Beavis and Butthead in Australia.
    102:44
    Yeah. It's called Wanker and Wankers. Wanker or wankerini. No. No, they do have it. I just don't know anyone who's really into it. Like, you guys. Oh, what's the matter? It fits with the Australian way. Come on. It does. It really does. You need to start watching immediately. Okay, are you ready for the first one? Yes. Go ahead, Ryan. Go ahead. No, I was just saying, like, where do you start with David's butthead? Right, the first episode.
    103:13
    The animation's really, really bad. Yeah, but the jokes are pretty good, though, because I let them get a lot of those.
    103:19
    Start with no laughing and go from there on. That's the title of the episode. Okay, ticket number for eBay. Explain what we do with Would You or Would You Not Buy That, Ron? We're scouring eBay for different items. We're going to tell you whether you should or should not buy them. And now we have a third opinion, so here we go. Here we go. 153 188 671 115 The thing is, Ryan's in Australia, so these might not be for sale yet, where he is.
    103:56
    No, wait a minute. They've already been sold. Ryan might be able to give us stuff that's not even for sale yet. We'll get to resist on it. The really cheap Stargoes are coming up, guys. No, how do I... Where do I type this number in? Type it right into the search part, right at the top. Where it says search for anything. The square box that you type in. I've got to go into eBay.com because eBay.com.au doesn't allow that. Okay, yeah, got it.
    104:24
    It's a gold record pinball machine. What the hell is that? I've never heard of this before. Gold record. Oh, Chicago coins. Yeah, coins. Chicago coins first drop target game. Huh.
    104:38
    Backless is perfect. Restored the cabinet. Playfield is original and nice. So let's see what the pictures look like.
    104:45
    You know, EM, of course. Planked playfield. I think it's planked. It's a little bit. The cabinet looks good.
    104:55
    Oh, it's got one of those spinning things in the center. Yes, it does. It's got a record. It makes sense. The scene integration is off the charts. I think the rules are better than this one than Roadshow. Well, did it state first drop target? Where's the drop target? On the left-hand side. They're spaced out. Oh, okay. They have country, pop, soul, rock, and jazz targets. Wow. This is what people want now. They don't want an Iron Maiden or Aerosmith bimble machine. They want just a general music bimble machine. This is it, right? This is truly, you get it all. You do get it all. And this can be yours for $650.
    105:42
    Would you or would you not buy this, Ron? It's a seller's arcade and pinball collector. He has 12 items, 12 feedback. I mean, if I wanted a game, it's not expensive. Looks good. Supposedly it works.
    106:00
    And it's in, was it Palmerton, Pennsylvania? Yep. Sure, why not? Okay. Ryan C., you'd buy anything off this list if it was cheap, right? Well, I don't own any EMs, and I just wouldn't know where to start. Bruce, you don't have any EMs, do you? I used to. Not anymore, no. Hey, Bron? Bron does. Spanish eyes.
    106:23
    Okay, and are they hard to fix if something's wrong with them? I'll have to figure it out because mine's broken right now. Okay. I've just been sent a would you buy it literally right now while we've been talking it's on Facebook though how do I send this to you guys screenshot but first would you or would you not buy this gold record pinball machine if it was that much I could have it in my hand in Australia then sure but if I have to pay a thousand dollars shipping then no gotcha how about you Bruce No. But I thought it was interesting because I'd never seen one of those before. You wouldn't buy it? I mean, wouldn't try it out? No. Okay, we got Ryan's attachment just came over. Okay, I sent it to both of you individually. Now, keep in mind that this is in Australian dollars.
    107:16
    So, let me do the conversion. It is $2,027 US. Looking at the pictures right now. Well, before we go in there. Well, he's not a good salesperson because he broke Ron's first rule. Glass on? You got it.
    107:35
    He's got a picture of a dress. I see a dress designer or something because there's a whole bunch of dresses in the background of his. Or he really likes skinny armless people All right we have the pick here It is a Jurassic Park Mm-hmm. $2,800.
    107:55
    Oh, that's brilliant. There's no pictures of it on, so who knows if it works. It's got that crappy coin door, too. You guys got bad coin doors when, you know, being far in places. What? Just one slot? Yeah. What happened to... Alien Slice, right? Exactly. So what happens in one that somebody jams up a, what do you call your coins over there? A dollar coin. This is the thing. You guys have quarters, right? Is it just quarters only? No, we have actually the dollar coins also. They're not used much, but we do have them. So do you have a coin map that can read a dollar coin? Yeah, yeah. The bounties came with them all. Yeah. See, people, I mean, games here are a dollar or two dollars, So people put a dollar or two dollar coin in there and they pretty much don't get jammed up. So one or two is enough. I would not buy that. They left the glass on. Yeah, and it's very dusty. The middle insert looks weird.
    108:54
    The one above the big insert between the flippers, it just looks totally different color than all the other ones. Like there's something wrong with it. But I wouldn't know. It could just be reflection. It could just be something. but I can't tell because they left the glass on so fail this is in my sitting Tonto the machinist overall break condition has uh key pick up his oh my gosh this guy is 10 minutes from me uh oh hmm he's thinking well my friends I messaged it to me and I said you know did you did anyone uh is in a group chat does anyone look at that Jurassic Park and I said send me a link and they all told me to fuck off because, you know, I'll just go and buy it. That's about a grand cheaper than what JPs go for in Australia. So considering that, that would be an interested, right? So we're going to lose Ryan for five minutes while he's texting this guy. Yeah, you better text him now, dude. Hey, we can have an actual sale occur on the podcast. We've done that before. Okay, here we go. Hey, mate. And he said, hey. And I said, is JP still available?
    110:03
    This is titillating. I'm only 10 minutes away. See, this is where you entice them by telling them that you're close so they don't have to chuck around with you. And cash in hand. Well, no, I don't want to say that yet unless it's... Because if it's fucked, then you need some rules for negotiation, right? Need some work. It says right on the thing. Balls don't pop out. Balls are stuck. So what could that be? Because I've never worked on the daughteries before, Bruce. Oil could be driver. It could be a couple of things. You know, just basic stuff. Did you tell them you're Ryan C. from the Head to Head podcast? Mr. Bucket. Bucket's a friend. It was funny because I actually went to check out a machine for a friend the other day, and I don't like to be known at all, and I rocked up there. I'm like, oh, hey, you're that Ryan guy from the You Do the Podcast thing. I'm like, no, no, I'm just a random guy. I'm Ryan B., not Ryan C.
    110:59
    Oh, my gosh. Okay, so you said, yes, it can be viewed at, and it gives me the address. So this is an on-site pinball machine that obviously is broken down, and what the shit? So I'm just going to Google this place. I don't want to give it the address on air. Yeah, why? It'll only be three days from now. 10 Main Street, Melbourne, Australia. 5 Smith Street in, yeah, was it 32 Waddleby Way, Sydney? Let me just look at this business.
    111:30
    What is this place? It's a dress shop It's a furniture shop Okay It's a furniture shop And they just Got it there In the backgrounds Do I have time today To go and check it out? Do I want a Jurassic Park? Everyone loves a DP I mean JP Alright I'll message him I'll go check it out Okay I don't need another Ah this is a I don't need another Divorce time How do you get Trouble with your wife. Do it. Let the anger flow. Let the pinball flow through you. Yes.
    112:11
    Okay, next eBay auction. We're back to that. 3-2-3. 4-6-3. 1-4-0. 8-6-8. 1974 Gutleaf Sky Jump Timber Machine. Old Sky Jump. Ever play in this? Yep.
    112:33
    It is many alarms is the color. Almost 5,000 feedback. Overall, good condition. Back glass is good with some minor touch-ups. Play field is good.
    112:46
    Has some touch-ups. Cabinet is good. Has some touch-ups. Yeah. Play field has been stripped clean and waxed.
    112:53
    All metal parts stumbled and polished. I love when I stumble. Let me repeat that. All metal parts stumbled and polished.
    113:03
    Stumbled and polished. All broken bulbs replaced. That's a good thing. Yeah, because I hate jagged, broken bulbs.
    113:11
    Flasher bulbs headed to back box. Is this flashers? No. I think it is blinker bulbs. Yes. Can deliver to White Roos game. Wait a minute.
    113:24
    Brick, New Jersey. It's got to be the same guy. No. Oh, there's a lot of people that live in Brick, New Jersey. No. And I think, as a previous listener wrote in, I think he's using, like, text to... Yes. Yeah. Speech to text to do the description, because this Pinside one was much better written than this. You see what's next to it, Ron? To the right of it? Another game.
    113:51
    What game is that? I don't know. Is it a franchise? It is. Okay. I just guessed. It does look nice. Except for the front. The front's a little beat up, but other than that, $700.
    114:07
    Would you or would you not buy that? For a one-player EM? Are the rules any good on this? They're okay. The layout's kind of funky, right? I mean, the drop targets block half the playfield, right? Yes. How do you get it up top, like in between those two pump-ups? Yeah, you've got to slip it on in.
    114:27
    They've got to squeeze it through or they're not looking. Yeah. And would the ball pretty much ever go down that right side there with the two switches? It does. It does? It does, yep. Okay.
    114:39
    I don't know. I'm on the fence here. Okay. I say maybe, Chip. Maybe. I'm on it. Probably not. Okay. No, I'll buy it. Anything that works under $1,000, it doesn't exist in Australia, Yeah, so I'll buy it all. Okay. Ticket number 323-463-146562.
    115:11
    What is this, Countdown Day? Countdown Pinball Machine. $800 in Brick, New Jersey. Wait a minute. He's double dipping. This is the same one.
    115:26
    Wait a minute. It even says Pinball Machine 1 on it, which means the other one's got to be here, too. Yes, it is. So this is the same one from Pinstide. Yes. Pinball Princess says she beat you to the punch.
    115:40
    No, I haven't had this for a while. Yeah, but we announced hers first, so she wins. No, she doesn't. Okay. How dare he try and sell in multiple locations? I know. There he is. And for the same price. I know. Well, this one he has best offer also. Ah. Well, there you go. So it looks just as good as it did on Pinside. So, yes, I would totally buy this. Well, I mean, if someone buys it through eBay, he has to pay the final value fee plus PayPal fees. That's like 10%. So you can offer this guy $700 on Pinside. You know he's probably going to take it. You got it. And maybe get it delivered, too.
    116:17
    There you go. Brick, New Jersey, ladies and gentlemen. Really nice-looking countdown. Love Count. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Love Count. Ready?
    116:27
    Another one. How many do we have? Oh, we have many of them. We have many of them. Oh, God. We're like two and a half hours in here. You're killing me.
    116:35
    273-222-157-826. Game. Okay, it's a rare German version Bally Camelot. Yeah. Electromechanical pinball machine project. Game has been partially restored. I love that. In other words, started working on it and gave up. New rubber, LED and GI bulbs, plays but is always in play mode and the motor runs.
    117:08
    Okay. Needs several relay coils and the upper stopper needs rebuilt. All the language on the play field back glass is in German. Back glass says peeling All plastics are present Just in the cash box and not on the play field Okay And this is in Pittsburgh Yeah Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania pretty much What the shit is with the art on this Pimble, it's just like they just It's just terrible So they started designing the Pimble machine They're like nah, that's enough art $1,100.
    117:49
    For a best offer, I'll give you $300. I agree. We would not buy this. Come on. It's rare. It's rare, yeah. It's rare. Why is it rare? Because it's German? It's German, yeah. Because it's missing the slingshot plastics? Well, no, they're in the coin box.
    118:10
    Two more. You ready? I'm ready. 263-905-529-318. Rare. Wait a minute. Again, with the rare thing. It's not vintage rare 1977 Stern pinball. He has a question mark after the rare, right? Yeah, 1977. No, it's rare 77 in question. So you might be questioning. I'm not sure of the year. Now, it's pinball. The Stern pinball. And this is the rarer version. It's a much rarer version. This is the DL version. Wait, we don't know that. Why? It shows a picture of the right question. Okay, now look at the second picture.
    118:58
    Wait a minute. The second picture is of the solid state version. Which is it? We don't know. It's a different game. Wait a minute. The third picture is a completely different game. What the fuck?
    119:11
    So literally here's a picture of EM pinball, solid state pinball, and then a third game that's what the hell is this? Jive Time. Don't you know what Jive Time is when you see it?
    119:22
    Can I read the descriptions? Classic cars. Car lovers with a man cave. Man cave. All right. Just listing these listings so we'll have more pictures and details coming. Testing the market for value as I'm unsure what it is worth. Not what you put it as. Not sure of the date of manufacture yet. Husband has had it in his man cave for 20 years, but he has dropped dead, so I'm selling all of his shit. No.
    119:53
    I bought it with another woman, so I'm selling it now. He has played 100 erds of hours. 100 RDS, rounds of hours, I guess. Hey, you know what? No. This is in Missouri. They want $3,977.77. Go for it, Dennis. Go for it. You know what the funny thing is? They've actually enabled international shipping, and to ship to Australia, it automatically gives you the fee. It's $282 using UPS Worldwide Saver. There you go, sir. That's cheap. That's cheap. You might want to bet on that one. Maybe it's all savings that much. I don't know.
    120:42
    We are retired and we're in our mid-70s, so you'll be in charge of all lifting, loading, packing, and shipping. Wow. It does say Man Cave Car Collectors, third picture of Jive Time 1970 also listed. But it's trying to insinuate the first two pictures of the same game when they're not. Okay. So we would not buy this. Hell no. Okay. One last one. Are you ready? Sure.
    121:07
    Wait, sorry, before you go, how much is a pinball worth? About $700 to $900 max. Okay. So, 263-917-457-592.
    121:26
    You're going to get a laugh out of this one, Ryan. Oh, God, this thing. World Challenge Soccer. Scott Leib's answer to World Cup Soccer. And look where it's located.
    121:41
    Rochester, New York. Is this you, Bruce? No. God, no. Are you selling this, Bruce? No. But, Dennis, we found you one.
    121:51
    What's the title of your show, Ryan, from last week? Dennis Has Horrible Taste in Timber Machine. No, Dennis. Dennis is a cheap bastard, I think. Yes.
    122:02
    I don't think you'd pay the price for this one. $3,395. for this wonderful World Challenge soccer, Gottlieb pinball, their answer to World Cup soccer. But Ron, he did take pictures right. Look how he actually took the glass out and put the lockdown bar back in. Well, it was part of a rigorous restoration process.
    122:26
    And all new LEDs. Better than those terrible incandescent bulbs. So it's right up Ryan C's alley right now. He should be buying this. they only do free setup and delivery within a 250 mile radius I don't think I qualify for that I am impressed by his taking the glass out and putting the lock down bar back on the machine so this is a dealer obviously I know the dealer it looks good he does write do not hesitate so I'm not sure why you're hesitating why are you hesitating? because it's a turd I played one of these at the Saratoga show. It was terrible. The worst thing about me playing this game is I played a really bad example as well. So, like, you know sometimes if you play, like, a really good game, but it's in a horrible condition? I'm pretty sure this was a shit game, and it was a double whammy in just almost breaking condition. It was a very, very sad game. Yeah. I couldn't figure out the rules were either. They just don't make logical sense. It looks like it's got another wonderful Gottlieb next to it, if you notice. It does. Yeah, it does. Victory, is it? Yep.
    123:38
    Victory's not bad. And Bad Girls is next to it also. That's not bad. Those aren't bad games. Those are much better games than the... Bad Girls is only $27.95. Much better game than that World Challenge Soccer. Victory's better too. Although Victory looks like really tall. Yeah. It has the wrong legs on it. Yeah. Let's work out that everyone puts the wrong legs on it so the thing is like ridiculously tall. Because they're hoping people won't have to play it because it's too tall. They'll just give up. Just give up.
    124:09
    What's their famous triple wax protection process? Wax on, wax off. Yeah. Wax on it. Okay. So that's all with eBay. Do you have any stumpers for me? Did Zach give you a stumper this week? I do not have a stumper. Oh, so you cannot make up your own stumpers. I see. I just said I don't have a stumper this week. Okay. I have one for you. Oh. I have a couple left. Okay. And you may join in, too, Mr. Ryan City. My pinball knowledge is vast, and yes, I will throw a time in before. This is all about sterns. Older sterns. I know you now are becoming the stern nut like us. I've got four of them. I know you do. None of them work, but I've got four of them. You got it.
    124:55
    Which one did they make the most quantity of? Multiple choice question. Okay. Are you ready? Sure. Freefall, Cheetah, Quicksilver, or Orbiter One?
    125:11
    I will guess Cheetah. Ron? What was the first one you said? It was Freefall, Cheetah, Orbiter One, or Quicksilver. Say Freefall. You are right, Ron. 1,300. The only reason I say that is because it came out after Flight 2000, so usually whatever comes out after it, they'll make a lot of before it goes in the shitter. What's number two?
    125:43
    Number two out of those? Yep. You have Cheetah, Quicksilver, or Orbiter One. Surely I came second. Yeah, maybe Cheetah second.
    125:55
    Are you both saying Cheetah? I will. You are both right Alright Which one's last? Surely Orbiter 1 I'll say Quicksilver Orbiter 1 Damn it, really?
    126:12
    Why did cheaters die so bad when Big Game sold, what, more than double? I don't know Well, remember Yeah, well, Big Game also Remember, it was the first seven digit scoring game That was the gimmick That's why it displays like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Okay. So I gave you a question. You failed on giving me one, so I win.
    126:39
    Okay. Repairs, Ron? I will have some coming up. My first EM repair will be upcoming, so I have to figure out why my Spanish guys doesn't work.
    126:50
    Okay. Any repairs for you, Ryan? Yeah. Just whirlwinds. I've been asking some questions about that along with Roto Dave. But I've decided to just step away from pinball for a couple of days, besides talking nonstop on the podcast. But repairs just... I need long-ass podcasts. I tried to repair whirlwinds for the entire same-stop podcast episode, which was good because you guys did a long one. But none of that 40-minute shit like before. I can't do anything. I can't repair gamers in 40 minutes or work out or anything. You guys need at least two hours a week. Come on. We'll have more this week so you can listen to yourself. Yeah, you can listen to yourself because that's not weird.
    127:37
    I need a reseatable, what do they call it, reseatable fuses? Because it keeps them blown. Circuit breaker.
    127:44
    Yeah. I need to be able to adjust it to certain fuse values. That's what we buy. We buy them circuit breakers and then you wire them right in. Yeah. so then when you pop it oh well you just you reset it and try again yeah do you guys what do you guys think about whirlwinds have you guys owned it before it's good I've owned three I'm sorry four you guys aren't big on system 11 games are you somewhat yes very much what roller games is the greatest game ever come on it is and I have 14 tomcat rock roller games rock but you're not obsessed with them like the Stern Electronic Games. Like, I don't think you guys have done one episode where you haven't mentioned, like, the 1980s Stern Electronic Games versus the 1511 Games. Because they're awesome. When you have the best in your possession, everything else is second.
    128:37
    When you own the stars, I mean, that's... Yes. Stars make top four. We need to make sure every podcaster owns the stars.
    128:45
    I don't think there's overrated trash. Well, he's high. See, it's too much gin. That's what it is. It is what it's called. He also thinks that F-14 Tomcat is one of the biggest world-under-glass thermal machines there are, so I'm not sure about that. It is. I feel like I'm in the battle. I know. Come on. You die, die, die, die. Die, die, die. Come on. Is Steve Rick yelling at you? Come on. You were definitely part of the world. Yes. The world under glass. But not when you look at it, only when you're playing it and the sound dictates that, right? Well technically if you would do that World Under Glass stuff what was the one Dennis Nordman game that's like all green Special Forces No, no, the other one, Special Force You think you're in the jungle? Yeah, Valley Special Force, I mean you're in the jungle Everything is like green and you're supposed to be in the jungle That was pre-Predator Pre-Predator The guy that I bought my quicksilver off painted the entire cabinet green. So it's got a green play field and a green cabinet. So it's just...
    129:56
    That's a word on the grass right there. You can get the stencils. A world of green. You can get the stencils, though. That's a good thing.
    130:05
    All right. So let's see. I think the mail ball bag's emptied. Repairs are done. Oh, I did not go over my repairs, buddy. Oh, well, move it. Let's go. What the hell? We're going to take our time and talk about repairs here. I'm working on a Harlem Globetrotters. I got this thing as a basket case. Looks pretty. Basket case. Had a switch matrix issue. Got that fixed. A couple of bad caps on some of the switches. When I got to the drop target assembly, there was no bracket holding the coil in. Completely gone. Luckily, I had a spare one off another playfield. Popped that on. Then I started replacing light sockets on Bally games. And you know how much Ron just loves light sockets. Yeah, they're great. I have 18 I replaced so far, but I'm done now. Then I had to replace a couple connectors. How do you do it on the old games when they're, like, stapled in? They're not stapled in. They're just screwed in.
    131:04
    No, he means, well, they're also soldered directly to the tab. Yeah, exactly. They say just desodder it off the ground.
    131:12
    Braid. That's a pain in the ass. It's easy. No, it's not easy. Don't listen to him. I did 18 of them in one hour. Because what you have to do is prep work beforehand. What you do is you tin the area around. First, you scratch it up so you make it nice and rough. Where you're going to put your solder on. Yeah, that's fine. I'm talking about getting the old ones off. That's easy. Ten seconds. You've got to get a nice hot solder around. Yeah. Yeah, that's all. So I'm now going to, it's now working fully. I just sold the pop bumpers. I got all three of the displays were bad on them, and I had a couple spare ones, so I threw them in. The soundboard's a little wonky for this time. I have to rebuild the soundboard, but I'm not going to do it right now. I'm going to take it all back down, put it in storage, and pull out Dragon Fist and start doing light sockets and trying to eventually, I'm going to do the scariest thing ever on a pinball machine play field. Don't take the mylar off. Don't do it. Take the mylar off. Don't do it. It's already got wear underneath it, which means they didn't put it on well either. I know they did, but it plays like ass with it. It does. So guess what? I'm going to take off the top pieces, and I'm going to cut right around. I'm going to try to save the bottom piece. The bottom piece isn't the bad part. It's the upper pieces that really suck on that thing. So what do you think? Did the mylar just float down the bowl?
    132:33
    No, this guy was. I think he was a moron when he did it because he actually left air bubbles in it and then didn't smooth it down flush. There's actually a ripple in it. Pretty bad. You guys aren't talking about factory models. No. This is a guy from the factory. I'm going to save this pinball machine forever. Pinside PD? Yeah, Pinside PD did it.
    132:57
    He's the best pinball tech ever. Just like his brother. You should move to Australia, Bruce. because your knowledge here would be unmatched and you could charge people at least double to repair the pinball machines. I can make like $4,000 Australian an hour.
    133:13
    You would be God. Do you have any good repair guys down there? Yeah, they're good in the sense that they fix pinball machines, but I don't think they have the attention to detail that other people have. like, I know people that say, oh yeah, it's got fixed and check it out, but the game won't be working as well and it's going to be like a little flipper hop and the flippers aren't aligned absolutely perfectly. Things like that. And I guess after doing it for 20 years, they just want to get the machine working and just leave because they charge pretty much by the hour here. Yeah, of course. Most places do. Mr. Peck does pretty good though. I guarantee it. Even though he's in New Zealand. Most of the people that... Most of the people here that repair pinball machines, what they do is that the people that don't work on their pinball machines are usually the collectors that are like the hyper-rich ones. And so what they do is they... People are like, oh, hey, I'm thinking about selling my Indiana Jones. So they'll buy it before it goes on the market. They'll rebuild it. They might put a new play field in there. They'll like literally just dull off the machine and then they'll sell it for some crazy amount like $15,000. and the whole community of people in the know will laugh at it, like, oh my gosh, what a rip-off. But he'll sell it because he has these private customers that aren't part of the community, aren't on forums, and that's how they make most of their money, not from actually repairing the consoles, from getting a network of people that they know that know nothing about pinball and just want not to be, not ripped off, but they don't want to buy junk machines and have to work on them. They just want someone to do all the work for them. So that's the key, Bruce. Okay. Seltzer noobs.
    135:02
    No, the problem is that rebound, that boomerangs on you, Australian, that boomerangs on you pretty bad sometimes. Boomerangs on you pretty bad, okay. Because what happens is you buy... What are you talking about? I don't know what he's talking about.
    135:17
    Do you like your TNA? Everything you thought it was going to be? I know Bruce hates it, even though he didn't play it, but, you know, I really do like it. I don't know why you hate it, Bruce. It's so much fun.
    135:30
    Once we played it on the stream, I'm literally sweating at one point when I'm on, like, React or Six. Like, ah.
    135:36
    Has Bruce played it yet, not being surrounded by a whole bunch of people and kind of being just you and Bruce? No, no. He hasn't played it at a show. I think he might have played it once at my house. I played it four or five times at your house when it wasn't broken. Yeah, but it wasn't ready yet. Yeah, because I fixed it. It's fine now. And there was probably like a million people around you running the tournament. You needed one-on-one time with TNA. No? You were by yourself? I was. I played it by myself and I was like, eh. He hates everything. He hates TNA. He hates Dialed In. I do hate Dialed In. If only you could hate like... I hate Dialed In more than TNA. What does that tell you? It just tells you your taste is gone. You don't hate it. You just don't like it. I don't like the scoring. Come on. It's terrible. You guys with the scoring. Whatever happened to just having fun? I don't have fun with it, because guess what? I can make 20 shots in a row and get 2,000 points. A guy walks up, hits four shots, and he's got 50,000 points. You weren't hitting the right things. Oh, my God. Come on. That's every game, Bruce. Yes, come on. That's every game. Raymond Davidson likes it. He can't be wrong. You can have a five-minute ball on Iron Maiden, and you can have horrible, horrible scores. No, but five minutes have a lot of... In Iron Maiden, if I hit nine shots, well, probably 12 shots, I can have over 300,000 points easily. Hopefully more than 300,000. Tell me what shots on Togs do nothing, because they all do something. Ramps. Mostly ramps are useless on that game, except for one or two modes. The ramps are useless.
    137:12
    They are, except for one. You go ramps, central to mining your blocks. Exactly. But it is used... What's more important than money?
    137:21
    Multiball is dead in that game, really. The only time you use multiball in Dialed In is to get the Big Bang or get a SIM card. It's the only reason why you're getting a multiball. Yeah. In order to play the mode, barely.
    137:35
    I agree. The multiball is what needs adjusting to have either an end goal. It needs to escalate besides the super jackpot. It needs to escalate so that it's able to finish multiball or worth more. But going back to the ramp thing, Ron, you know that the hurry up on the right ramp, it's a really cool thing that you can do where you can keep on hitting the right ramp over and over again, but it returns the ball to the left flipper and you can't backhand it, so you have to kind of like bump it over and nudge the ball. Yeah. And I can only ever do it once or twice. I remember watching Martin do it like six times in a row and it was fucking awesome.
    138:12
    There's points to be had. And that's worth an escalating... Like 10, then 11, then 12, then 13. Still sucks.
    138:23
    Okay. So if anyone wants to buy a Black Spider-Man or trade, don't forget I still have one. Because I'm keeping my Star Trek, not getting rid of that one. Okay, Bruce. What do you want for it, Bruce? I don't know. Make me an offer. Give me some trade bait. Show me some goods. and don't forget October 13th we have pin golf at the Silver Ball Saloon. We do? 18 holes of pin golf. October 13th. I might even be there. I think you will be there. Yeah. Try and see. Are we going to be able to fly you in? We just started a Patreon and we've got at least $10 a month so that'll almost fly me there maybe in someone's luggage or something. If you come out, I'll let you take my stars home.
    139:09
    For free. Stargazer? Yeah, exactly. I want to see you all the way out. And then I'll give a nice little miniature Stargazer. Like three by five inch one.
    139:22
    Here you go, Ryan. Give me an ass whooping. But we're going to have a pin golf. It's $20 to play. 18 holes plus finals. come on out and enjoy the Silver Ball Saloon with good food, good friends, and good times playing football. Alright. So, what would Martin say right now? Say, are we done?
    139:56
    I think we're done, Ryan. Okay. So, this has been episode, I'm sorry, this has been episode 109, And Thor and Raginator, or Ragnarok, or whatever it is. Ragnarok. What? Okay. I'd like to thank Ryan C. of the Head to Head podcast for joining us tonight. Or, well, today for him.
    140:21
    Today, yes. Mm-hmm. See? See what I did there? I'd rather work for you during the morning. I feel refreshed. Three hours and I can still keep on going. But when you go to bed at night, you're just like, I want to go to bed now. I want to go to bed. I really do. It's like, oh, my God, really? We are the Slam Tilt Podcast. Check out our website at slamtiltpodcast.com. We can be found on Facebook.
    140:45
    Yeah, we're on Twitter. We're on Instagram for some reason. I don't know why. Check out our Twitch channel. Also YouTube. Just search for Slam Tilt Podcast. Our email address is slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. Really? Yeah, really. Send your hate mail to Bruce For not liking TNA Yes please send your hate mail Ron if you notice We have gotten no hate mail Scott Denise I can believe that one We haven't gotten any hate mail Well we wouldn't get it for last week Because you weren't on I know but the week before I talked about it the same way I'm going to miss you Scott Denise You can tell him to send one through so so thanks everybody thanks ryan c say goodbye bruce goodbye chris kloppenberg
    141:59
    Oh my, oh my, can you guarantee we'll meet you alive? Oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my. All right, we ready? I guess. I guess? Wow. Are you Zach, Bruce? I guess so. That's a very Zach answer right there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Coming to you from... Yeah, yeah. I screwed up already.
    143:00
    Your Zach just threw me off. All right. Okay, guys, I'm going to go to bed since it's 11.30 Eastern time. Me too. Thank you, sir, for coming on. Thank you, Ryan. Keep a tight eye on yourself. Yeah, let's talk about Jurassic Park tomorrow morning. Keep in touch with yourself.
    143:22
    Keep in touch with yourself. Yeah, keep in touch with yourself. Keep in touch with yourself. damn abracism that we left what does that mean masturbate yes does that mean masturbate goodbye folks alright see you later bye guys see ya bye