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PINBALL OZ WIDE - EPISODE 21 : NO RAGRETS

Pinball Oz Wide·podcast_episode·1h 53m·analyzed·Jul 28, 2026
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TL;DR

Australian pinball podcast discusses community updates, new machines, and hobby regrets with competitive player Robert Charles.

Summary

Pinball Oz Wide Episode 21 features hosts Jared and Matt with guest Robert Charles from Newcastle, Australia. The episode covers monthly reviews, pinball price watch, machine rumors (Top Hat, Barrels of Fun, P3), discussions about Sonic and Transformers accessories, and reflections on regrets in pinball. Robert shares his journey into pinball collecting starting with Street Fighter II, while the hosts discuss code updates, home collection management, and the resurgence of arcade venues in Australia.

Key Claims

  • Mark is the Australian importer for Spooky Pinball

    high confidence · Jared made a correction from the previous episode, noting that someone reached out to confirm Mark's role as Spooky Pinball's Australian importer

  • Arcade and pinball venues are making a huge comeback in Australia, with new General Public locations opening in Frankston and Keringle only 6-7 km apart

    high confidence · Matt described visiting General Public arcades multiple times with his kids and noted another venue called iPlay in Shannon Mall, Frankston

  • General Public venues are approximately 90% skill testers and ticket redemption machines, with pinball being a minor component

    high confidence · Matt observed that pinball machines are sparse in these venues (3 machines in Frankston location) while most space is dedicated to skill testers

  • Updating code on Jersey Jack Pinball machines without Wi-Fi requires manual BIOS manipulation using keyboard and USB boot parameters

    high confidence · Matt provided detailed technical walkthrough of code update process involving Rufus, USB sticks, and BIOS boot sequence modifications

  • Robert Charles purchased Street Fighter II pinball for approximately $2,800 early in his collecting journey

    high confidence · Robert stated this price when asked by Jared; Matt and Jared noted Street Fighter machines are now worth significantly less ($600 range)

  • Robert was initially uncertain about basic pinball machine operation (ball loading) when his first machine was delivered

    high confidence · Robert recounted asking the delivery person 'how do you get the balls into it?' and not knowing about the lockdown bar and glass removal

Notable Quotes

  • “if we can get to 100 followers, I was going to do a giveaway for the podcast”

    Jared @ Early in episode — Podcast growth milestone goal with community engagement incentive

  • “I reckon you can do one of your fantastic lightboxes, mate, something penny-themed or even the Oz wide one”

    Robert Charles @ During giveaway discussion — Shows familiarity with Jared's custom lightbox creations and community support

  • “Well, that's pretty crazy, isn't it? Yeah. As long as they're not all full of just skill testers, mate, that'd be... Oh, look, 90% of it is skill testers.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ During arcade venue discussion — Reveals tension between pinball community's hopes and actual arcade venue composition

  • “I'm bored just listening. Yeah, I know, but different people are fucking letting people know. This is a long, long process.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ During code update technical discussion — Humorous acknowledgment of how complex manual code updates are; Matt providing community service by documenting process

  • “I thought if I get one, I'm going to need to move it around and I don't want to have to get the machine and then have it to end the room.”

    Robert Charles @ During equipment purchase discussion — Shows forward-thinking approach to hobby preparation; bought equipment before the machine itself

  • “You're probably smarter than 80% of the first buyers out there because I don't reckon I did it that way.”

    Matt @ Responding to Robert's purchase strategy — Validates Robert's methodical approach as unusual and wise for new collectors

  • “do you really want to buy it? That's what they were trying to talk me out of it.”

    Robert Charles @ Recounting Street Fighter II purchase — Salesperson's skepticism about Street Fighter II value/quality foreshadowed its mediocre reception

  • “If we put your pennies here, you'll spend more time with me. I can do that. Good compromise.”

Entities

JaredpersonMattpersonRobert CharlespersonMarkpersonNathanpersonRebeccapersonJasonperson

Signals

  • ?

    venue_signal: Multiple new arcade/entertainment venues opening in Melbourne area (General Public in Frankston and Keringle, iPlay in Shannon Mall) with integrated entertainment offerings (virtual golf, pool, pinball, ticket redemption) attracting families, suggesting arcade industry comeback in Australia

    high · Matt visited General Public multiple times, noted two locations 6-7km apart, described as 'huge comeback' and 'really coming back big' with integrated food/drink/family amenities

  • $

    market_signal: Street Fighter II pinball machines show significant depreciation over time, trading at ~$600-$2,800 range with downward pressure on value

    high · Robert paid ~$2,800 for Street Fighter II; Matt and Jared noted current value is $600, with Matt saying 'they're not worth it' at original prices

  • ?

    technology_signal: Non-Wi-Fi enabled Jersey Jack Pinball machines require complex manual BIOS-level updates via USB, creating friction for code maintenance and limiting adoption of newer game versions

    high · Matt spent extensive time troubleshooting code updates, had to access BIOS boot parameters, swap keyboard, and manage USB boot sequencing; expressed frustration with process complexity

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball Oz Wide approaching 100-follower milestone with planned community giveaway, indicating gradual audience growth and engagement strategy

    high · Jared announced 100-follower giveaway goal, noted recent addition of 2 Spotify followers, discussing custom lightbox prize

  • ?

    content_signal: Podcast investing in professional guest interview capability via PodTrack 4 Next device with Bluetooth recording, signaling intent to expand guest segment frequency and production quality

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome everyone to the Pinball Auswide podcast. This is episode 21 and in this episode we'll have the usual thank yous, month in review, our typical segment which is our Pinball Price Watch which is Best Buy's and World Famous What The Fuck, Silver Ball Showdown followed by Just The Tip, some rumour and industry news which will cover Suzo Hat, Barrels of Fun, and P3 with new machines in inverted commas. A bit of a chat about Sonic now that we've seen a little bit more of that machine. Transformers accessories as well that have been released. A small discussion being biggest regret in Pinball. Emails and admin rant. As always, I'm Jared, joined by Matt. And Matt, I believe we have a special guest this month. We do have a special guest. All right, Pinhads, it's time to welcome one of the absolute good guys of the game. Straight out of Newcastle, Australia, he's a fierce competitor, a fantastic pinball player and one of the most genuine white people folks you've ever made. Whether he's chasing high school or sharing laughs with mates, he brings skill, sportsmanship and passion to every machine. Please give him a huge welcome to the Pinball's White podcast, the one and only Robert Charles himself.
1:21
Thanks Matty. Sorry mate. My voice is going to be in it. All lies. All lies, but I'll take it. How are you guys? Good mate, how are you going? Good, thanks for joining us. Yeah, yeah, loving it. Yeah, any time, guys. Good, good. Hey, just now, before quickly we get on to things, I just want to make a quick correction from last month, and I know we'll get into the podcast, but when we were speaking about more competition in the industry when it comes to NIV, I wasn't sure about Mark and Spooky Pinball in regards to him being the Australian importer or not. So someone reached out to me. I didn't hear from Mark directly, but someone sort of reached out and said he is the importer. So apologies to Mark if you listen, mate. And if you need to get anything spooky, hit him up. Thank you to all our current listeners and any new listeners this month.
2:09
We have a language warning, and that is a very special language warning this month because Rob, he goes off his chops, so you never know. So anyone who's listening, turn off now because he's a potty mouth. He is a potty mouth. You've taught me well, Matt. We did pick up two extra followers, which is nice through Spotify. So please, guys, if you're listening in, make sure you like and subscribe. We're not putting as many comments, sir. We're not. I was actually going to speak, I probably should have done this off air, but I was thinking that if we can get to 100 followers, I was going to do a giveaway for the podcast. I'm just wondering what we could do for that. What do you think, Rob? You got anything to give to the podcast that we can give away? Oh, look, I reckon you can do one of your fantastic lightboxes, mate, something penny-themed or even the Oz wide one. Yep, okay. That looks pretty cool. All right, well, let's see if, what are we now? Yeah, but do you have anything you want to give away, Rob? Yeah. Oh, I do not, mate, no.

Robert Charles @ Discussing machine placement at partner's house — Shows balancing personal relationships with pinball hobby

  • “Just asking the community if you've got any questions. But we said, yes, threw the balls in, turned it on, absolutely loved it.”

    Robert Charles @ Advice about entering pinball hobby — Community-focused mindset and emphasis on not being intimidated by lack of knowledge

    • Spider
    person
    Pinball Oz Wideorganization
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    General Publicvenue
    iPlayvenue
    Melbourne Pinball Expoevent
    TazPinevent
    Pinfestevent
    Street Fighter IIgame
    White Watergame
    The Avengersgame
    Deadpoolgame
    Pirates of the Caribbeangame
    Guns and Rosesgame
    Hobbitgame
    Carnivalgame
    Simpsonsgame

    high · Jared purchased PodTrack 4 Next specifically for guest calls with direct Bluetooth recording, tested successfully, opened call for guest suggestions

  • ?

    collector_signal: Experienced collector (Jared) actively optimizing home space by strategic furniture removal (fridge relocation) to fit additional machines, indicating space constraints and FOMO-driven acquisition patterns

    high · Jared moved display case and machines, flipped fridge doors to create space, placed immediate ad for Dungeons and Dragons or John Wick Premium

  • ?

    venue_signal: Modern arcade venues in Australia emphasize skill testers and ticket redemption (90%) with minimal pinball footprint (3 machines per large venue), despite retro arcade resurgence

    high · Matt noted 90% skill testers, only 3 pinball machines in Frankston General Public, Jared corrected that venues are 'arcade, not pinball' despite overall arcade growth

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Matt documenting complex technical processes (code update procedures) on podcast to educate community and reduce barriers to entry for newer collectors

    medium · Matt provided detailed BIOS/USB boot parameter walkthrough despite admitting it's tedious, explicitly framing as community service: 'different people are letting people know'

  • ?

    community_signal: Hobby participants negotiating space and time allocation with partners, using pinball placement strategy as compromise for relationship investment

    medium · Robert described partner Rebecca's ultimatum: placing machines at her house would ensure more time together, showing hobby integration into personal relationships

  • ?

    product_concern: Avengers pinball experiencing potential issue where final (sixth) gem in topper collection sequence is unreachable despite other five gems being collectable

    medium · Robert has collected 5 of 6 gems required to complete extra topper mode, unable to obtain final gem despite multiple attempts; Matt mentioned prior full factory reset was needed on his Avengers for similar issue

  • ?

    product_strategy: Spooky Pinball utilizing regional importers (Mark) for Australian market distribution, indicating strategic localization approach to serve non-North American markets

    high · Jared made on-air correction that Mark is confirmed Australian importer for Spooky Pinball after listener feedback

  • ?

    community_signal: Podcast positioning itself as 'safe haven' for pinball buying information that reduces scammer risk and improves buyer education for new entrants to hobby

    medium · Robert praised Jared/Matt for providing 'safe haven' and eliminating scammers, noting he knew nothing about buying machines and appreciated their resource

    • 3:05
    Let's be honest, we're all hoarders, so we don't have anything we ever want to give away. Absolutely.
    3:11
    Yeah, maybe, I don't know, let's see if we can get 17 followers quick up and running, and I'll do something on the Facebook page to give away. Yeah, nice, sounds good.
    3:19
    Month in the review. You want to go first, Matty? Rob? Who wants to go? I think it's on you, Jared. Is it on me? Yeah, of course. How's your month been, Jared? It's been good, Matty. Thank you, bud. I haven't done much. A couple of small little things where I've gone out all caught up with people, but it's just been sort of fiddling around at home, honestly. Did a few extra little keyring print runs for the Melbourne Pinball Expo, just as giveaways. Taking anything to Tazbin? No, probably not because I don't think TazPin were in that capacity as such whereas with the Melbourne Pinball Expo being media, we had a desk and everything and we were offering products. So I think with TazPin, I might take a couple for the guys if they want it maybe but I'm not going to overload it. So I did a couple of that. I also bought a new recording device which I put up on the Oswald podcast Facebook page. So I upgraded to a PodTrack 4 Next or P4 Next. The main reason I did it was for this exact reason. So we can have guests on. I can call them through the phone. It connects via Bluetooth directly into the unit and records directly onto the unit with our voices. So there's no lining up. There's no clap track needed at the start. I almost said some sort of venereal disease then or something. It's a podcast from Borderlands.
    4:43
    So, yeah, so the device is good. I tested it and, as I was just saying to Rob earlier off air, you know, I just had to buy some extra bits and pieces along the way, which I'm glad I tested it first to ensure that doing this now it's ready. The funniest thing, though, is when I tested it, I didn't record until, like, two minutes to the end of the conversation, but that red light says I'm recording. Okay, good. Good.
    5:08
    There has been a few times that we've gone, oh, shit, did that record? Can you imagine? Professionalism at its highest. At its highest.
    5:18
    So with that sort of recording device, obviously also put up on our Facebook page, so it was put towards me from Jason from Pimp My Pin to interview sort of the little guys in the hobby I think we could classify them as. And I thought that was a really good idea to get people on the podcast and just have a bit of a chat to guys that maybe we haven't heard about or even if we have heard about and just chat, see what people are doing on the industry and their skill set. So getting that device and that Bluetooth now means we can do that as well. Well, we're chatting to one of the big players now. We're chatting to... Yeah, I've got no skills at all. Don't you worry about that. Yeah, we started off big.
    6:01
    He's downplaying it. There's a low bar. So, yeah, so I thought that was a good idea. So, certainly if you're listening to this, guys, and you're in the industry, feel free to PM me or I'm going to put up a post anyway. Yeah, nice. And see if people want to say, hey, pick me kind of situation. Yeah, jump in and have a chat. It won't be every month, but I think if we do every few months, you know, get someone on, have a bit of a chat as a segment within the podcast. Yeah, well, that's right. It doesn't have a beautiful combined mic. But I also think you need to throw that out there that people can drop others in. Oh, 100%. Absolutely. I've certainly got a few suggestions. So like I said, you guys hopefully when listening to this may or may not hear the difference.
    6:43
    It probably through the software Reaper and all the rest of it will sound very similar, but it's a more portable unit. It's a lot smaller and hopefully it does the job. I can put sound effects on it actually as well, which is really funny. So when you introduced Rob, I could have had like a clap track. Yeah, or a cheering, yeah. So I'll have to look at that maybe in the future too. You'll have to edit that in later when you do actually do the editing. Yeah, maybe you will. Big round. You know what? Just start off from Guns N' Roses. You know where at the start where the light shows. Oh, yeah. The light shows.
    7:14
    Build your arm. That was so good. So what are the matte sound effects anyway? Yeah, much better than matte sound effects. I also got McCliffy's for Deadpool. I haven't installed them yet, but they're just sitting there waiting for his done, which I ordered. So McCliff, as always, is good. I did a little bit more sort of arcade mucking around on my main, just sort of trying to get, one, the ROMs working properly, which I've got to look into, but just filling the pictures for the actual games as well. So, you know, it comes up with a nice little image of what you're playing. Move my room around as well, which you saw. So I did a little bit of re-juggling. Not that I've been desperate, but I've always wanted to add just one more pin. You know, there's always been that time where something's popped up and I'm like, I wish I had space because I would have bought that, you know. So I ended up sort of getting Nadine and I'm like, you know, come on, what can I do here, you know. And obviously we've spoken about my fridge. Many times. It's been, you know, the spot for the extra machine. You've always said get it out and I've tried to get it out, but Nadine's been very sort of stuck on having it in that room, which is fine. So all I did is I just sort of, I needed about 150 mil gap, so I've just shifted one wall down, which is a display case followed by, you know, my Kooky Carnival and my Simpsons machines, and now my Deadpool strikes and spares. So I moved them all down, slotted in the fridge next to it, had to change the doors around so they were, what was it, it was left opening, now it's right opening, which is fine, so that was quite easy to do. And now I have a space. Beautiful. Which meant I put up an ad. And what's on the ad? The ad was for a Dungeons and Dragons or a John Wick premium. So both in the premium. I know there was a pro that sort of popped up almost immediately when I was thinking about it. And Rob, maybe you can correct me too because I'm pretty sure Matty told me as well. But I think the premium spits the balls out of the mouth, whereas the pro doesn't. Yeah, I don't think the dragons is interactive. No, no, I think it still spits it out of the mouth, but it doesn't move. Right. I think. Right, okay, so it doesn't have that variability. There's no movement, yeah. What do they call it? Variability or whatever is at the head. But otherwise, is there any other differences between the pro and the premium? I'm not 100% sure. Rob, do you know? Yeah, no, I'm not sure either. I haven't spent much time on it. Yeah, so I guess I just need to have a bit of a look at that as well and suss that out. So if anyone's out there that wants to move on for home use only, hit me up. Happy to have a look at it.
    9:48
    And the other thing was Nathan came down from Sydney, So he was down here for sort of a long weekend with his partner for her work business. So we just caught up on the Friday and a few games, bit of a muck around, went into the city at the end of that. And that was about it, really. I don't think there was much else after that. What about you, Matty? What's been going on? Let me see. I think after the last podcast, I'm pretty sure School Holloway's kicked in. So once again, two full fun weeks. Yeah, I think. Yeah, it was just after. Yeah, so just two full fun weeks with the kids doing what we do best. Running around and everything else. Yes, in and out. And we actually went down to General Public a few times. So for people who were down to General Public, it's a place in Frankston which is a huge, gigantic, like, indoor time zone. Is that what you describe? Arcade.
    10:42
    It's a new thing. Is that where we went, Matty? Sorry? Yeah, that's where we went. Yeah, that's where we went, mate. Yeah, so I took the kids down there a few times. And to describe the place, it's a big double story place. They've got virtual golf in there. They've got pool tables. They've got pinball machines. They've got arcade machines. You know, the typical skill testers and ticket redemption machines and all those type of things. Kids absolutely love it. Well, obviously, these type of places are making a huge comeback at the moment because they've actually opened a new general public in Keringle. That's only, what, six, seven kilometres away from each other. And they've got another one, another huge venue there. I'm like, that's pretty crazy, isn't it? Yeah. As long as they're not all full of just skill testers, mate, that'd be... Oh, look, 90% of it is skill testers. 90% of it is skill testers and stuff, and the kids love it, though, and they waste $30 in five minutes. Yeah, all the tickets.
    11:33
    No shit, actually, that's what did happen. I took them down there. I see you coming. I got $30 each, they got $38 each credit, yeah. I went to the bar, grabbed myself a Guinness. By the time the Guinness was bored and ready to take my first sip, the kids were like, finished. I was like, are you serious?
    11:49
    So I learnt quick from that. I was like, no, no more unsupervised skill testing machines because otherwise it's tap, tap, tap. And there's also another bloody place in Frank Snowping as well called iPlay. So in Shannon Mall, it's like another one. So all these arcade and pinball is really coming back big. Well, I think it's arcade. I don't think it's pinball with all their respect. I know, I know. Like a lot of them are 10% pinball machines. Like that one in France has got three downstairs and that's it. And there's three, the Gringle one too, but just in general, but these type of arcades, which disappeared during the early 2000s, they just all pissed off, didn't they? I think that's because they're bringing them as, like you said, they've got a bowling alley attached with them, there's food and drinks, so the parents can sit downstairs and have a couple of beers while the kids are upstairs with the, or certainly in the Frankston layout, while the kids are upstairs doing their arcade and what have you. There's shuffle pucks, I think the one, there's pool tables and everything, they must have 20 something pool tables out the back. So anyway, we went down there quite a few times, I took the kids to all these, I don't know, different bloody events, the movies, or Toy Story 5. So the kids actually sat down and watched the movie, didn't move, it was lovely.
    13:01
    Then towards the end, I got sick, I've been sick for the last two weeks. Couldn't tell. No, definitely not. You sound perfect. Yeah, tell me about it. So honestly, the last few weeks I did nothing. I've been lazy, been unmotivated, so I just haven't done much. But otherwise with Pinball, I've updated my Pirates of the Caribbean to the modified 1.01 code. What's modified? Is that through JRP? No, no, that's through Spider. So he's on Pinside, so he updated, uploads, he's done quite a few different movies. It's just alternate. Alternate code, yeah. So all the movie codes. Is it really just adding alternate soundtracks? Oh, the soundtrack's the movie scene as well, so it actually has movie scenes in it now, so you're watching all this generic crap that they've had on it. But it doesn't change the code. No, no, no. Yeah. It's just the... No, no, just the listeners that don't know. It doesn't change the gameplay, no. Yeah, it's not a gameplay of shot code upgrade. Well, I went from .996 to 1.01, so I was actually quite a few codes behind. So it has actually also added the final wizard mode into it as well, which we've never played. Yep. I did that, updated the Guns and Roses as well to the new code. Yep. So, and updated the Hobbit as well to another new code. Don't all of these do it automatically through Wi-Fi? No. Oh, I haven't got it set up, so I haven't got the Wi-Fi dongles in there. So, anyway, I did all that. And, well, honestly, guys, to do these updates of codes, normally you just download the code, use Rufus to upload the ISO and chuck that onto a 16-gig USB stick. Normally you'd plug it into the USB slot which is just next to the coin door and normally you'd turn the machine on and it'd start loading. No, it didn't work, it didn't happen. And I thought, oh, I'll go look in the settings because in the JJP settings you open the coin door, press menu, go into utilities and then there's the USB update section. I'm like, okay, I'll press that. I wasn't recognising, I was going, what the heck's going on here? So, have a look around. I thought, well, maybe I must not load it on properly with Rufus. So, I tried the different code. Didn't work again. I'm going, what's going on here? Give me the shits because of formatting, reloading, do, do, do. So, anyway, so I've got it on my keyboard, plug the keyboard in. So, then press delete. One machine was delete. The other machine was F8 or F11. Get in the BIOS. Then you have to go to BIOS. Go change it. I know something about it. Then you have to go in. It could be an easier way than that, surely. No, not at all, mate. Unless, obviously, you run it through Wi-Fi.
    15:27
    Sounds like you need to run it through Wi-Fi. Nah, because I don't think there's going to be any more code. But anyway, it's just adds up for people. So you've got to go into the BIOS, go to your boot parameters, and then you change your first boot device to the second boot device to swap around, then press save and exit. Then, if you're like me, you want to do a real quick swap and change, pull the keyboard out really quickly and then play the USB stick so you don't have to turn it back on or you can just turn it off. But then, yeah, the code will start updating itself.
    15:56
    And once the code's updated, you pull your USB stick out, then you've got to put the keyboard back in and change the boot parameters again. I'm bored just listening. Yeah, I know, but different people are fucking letting people know. This is a long, long process. I'm waiting for the 20-page model of it. What a pain the ass was. Yeah, that's all right. But there's the bottom, mate. So in case you need to do an update drop, so you can just make it. Yeah, my pirates, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, but on your guns and roses. Mate, that's Wi-Fi. That's Wi-Fi. What Wi-Fi are you running on that, mate? Oh, just the built-in Wi-Fi that's on there just straight off my router. Yeah, yeah, but what USB? Just like I do with my Stearns. Oh, so you're running like this. What's the USB that came with it? Oh, I didn't get a USB with one. No, I'm pretty sure I did. Yeah, okay. If not, I've thrown something in. I don't know. It's been a number of years. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure I do have a spare TP. I could just chuck in it. But anyway, but apart from that, yeah, just, that's about it for me, I think. I'm sure there's been more in between, but no one wants to hear about Sitterpite from the Macco stuff. Macco. So yes, anyway, so I've done all the... Finally. Yes, I know. So I measure all the trees, and that was a pain in the arse. So I did two people to do that, trying to get around all the trunks and stuff. And honestly, you know what? The trunks are bigger than I bloody thought, honestly. I was going, yeah, it's not even me. I was like, no, that's 2.4 metres wide.
    17:17
    Hell, it's just crazy. I'm like, that's as tall as me in the width. So obviously I had to measure for the base and also then had to measure for the buttress, which is obviously at your breast height.
    17:28
    Then I had to identify the trees, so used Google Images to identify the trees, provided all of them, had to label out where they all were, had to provide them with what all the structures on my property were, As in Bergolo, primary residence, chicken coop, such and such. And then the council also then wanted to know, oh, how many undercover car spaces do you have? I'm like, what does this matter? So I was like, yes, I've got a four-car garage, but I can only fit three cars in it because I've got crap in there. And then I've got another little shed, which you can't really fit a car in. So this is why I need a shed. I need this, so I've got more workspace. North Face, yep. So I just have to wait until you're back from this now. That's it. Okay. At least something's happened.
    18:16
    2030, here we come. That's it, baby. Well, look, they wouldn't be able to do much at the moment anyway because of how wet it is. Yeah. It just wouldn't happen. So fingers crossed something happens sooner or later. All right. Nice. So what about yourself, Robert? How's your month been and what have you been up to, mate? Oh, look, quite a month in review compared to you guys. We've been wrapping up in a fine each year at work, so it's just been, you know, very, Very mentally draining. So a lot of Netflix and chill, but also just installing some new wireless security that we've got to put on the place. I actually had a delivery, a very expensive delivery that was delivered. I got an application. It was meant to be signed for, but apparently they've just dropped it, taken a photo of it in location. Yes. It was my place.
    19:03
    And when I got home, it wasn't there. And I went, oh, fuck's sake. It's a language warning. Checked out with the neighbours. They've seen, heard nothing. And then I've gone, what is going on? So here I am onto the delivery company, onto the people who sent it and everything else like that, you know, stressing out because it's very expensive.
    19:21
    Needed to know where it was. And then they've all sent me this photo and I'm going, that's great. It's not there. And you know what? It was meant to be signed for. So the next day they re-delivered it. And I went, what? How did they re-deliver it when they've already delivered it and given me a photo? So what looks like it's happened is the delivery driver's either A, pocketed it for himself and hoping that no one follows up, or B, he's gone, oh no, actually after I've taken a photo and uploaded it, it actually does need a signature, so I'll bring it back tomorrow for a signature. But none of this was forthcoming from the delivery company, so I've gone, no, screw this, need to get the bloody wireless doorbell with the camera, got the camera that does auto tracking and things like that. So, you know, it's all up and going. So now I'm absolutely stalking everybody that walks past my place. Don't you worry. It's quite a lot, mate. Quite a lot, mate. I think he's got a fair way to go. Yeah, you've got a few of those things. Yeah, I think you've got a fair way to go before you catch Matt and his wireless connections. I like people knowing that I know that they're there before they know they're even at my house.
    20:27
    Yeah, so I'm just playing with that new toy. In terms of pinball, really, I've only booted up Avengers, I think I was speaking to you last week, Jared, about that. I threw it on for one game to give it a bit of a warm-up and see how it was playing and threw up a grand champion score. That's absolutely nothing to speak of at my place. Just trying to get this last gem for the topper to complete that extra mode that you can get through the topper by getting all the gems. Still couldn't do it, but threw the grand champ and turned it off, walked away and went, yep, I'm done for the month. I'll have to get back into the collection again. Either that you couldn't collect a gem or you just can't get to that last gem. There's one gem I just can't seem to grab. I've got the other five lit, but I just can't seem to grab that sixth gem. Well, Jared, do you remember with my machine? Yeah, we had to do a full-factor reset because it actually sat there and we couldn't get the gem. We went over and kept the last gem for some reason. But that was probably us as pinball players, to be fair.
    21:22
    Hey, well, I'm saying that about myself as well, but you know what? I can always take the glass off next time.
    21:29
    It was just nodding systems, I wasn't. It was a bit weird. Yeah, it was doing something strange, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I've been playing, I'm talking about playing machines, I've been playing a bit of my Deadpool at the moment, that thing's still kicking my arse too. I'm ready to sell it and buy a different one.
    21:44
    It's so annoying. Not like you to give up, though. No, I know. As I said, just put some socks in the outlanes, you'll be right.
    21:53
    Dude, it happened, I rocked up to a mate's place, he had socks in the outlanes of his TMNT and I just looked him up and said, get them out of there. Yeah. Well, I think that I heard similar where a mate used to do, and I think he still does, the higher out machines, and then he brought one back, it was Spider-Man or whatever, and they'd put rubber bands around the airplane. Oh, yeah, clean that.
    22:15
    That was very funny. What about the rest of your month, mate? Anything else going on? No, no, that's it. Just talking to you blokes. All right, well, do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself then, Robert? Yeah, no worries.
    22:27
    Pinball, look, I think I was first introduced to it to an extent when I was a young'un. You know, in the early 80s, I think the parents were bowlers up at the back of the bowling alley, you know, the arcade machines and pinnies there. I was too young to play the pinnies but definitely noticed them and always remembered them. Growing up a little bit older, getting into my late teens, you know, you see them at the takeaway shops and you get in the bowling alley. We were lucky enough to know some of the guys working there and they had us back at the bowling alley after closing hours because they had the keys for the place. And we used to smash out tea to Adam's family, you know, Phantom of the Opera. And we'd had so many competitions and, you know, we'd absolutely love it. And then from there, you know, life got busy, you know, off to uni, off to work, things like that. And then it was probably about 10 years ago, 10, 11 years ago, this festival popped up in Newcastle called Pinfest, which we'll have a quick chat about after. And I thought I'll get myself to that, went down to Caves Beach. Bloody hell, was I a kid in a candy store? Yeah. That nostalgia just came running back and I was bitten by the bug. Now that obviously in your career you've maybe saved a few dollars, you have a think about the man cave and you go, oh, I think I could get one of those.
    23:53
    Would absolutely love to. So I knew nothing about them, nothing about owning them, where to even buy them.
    24:00
    So that's why I think you guys are absolutely fantastic because you give a bit of a safe haven for this and you get rid of all those scammers through your site. But give guys and gals a much better buying opportunity.
    24:16
    But anyway, I was looking into it a little bit and I went, oh, you're going to need a trolley if you're going to be moving pinions around. So what I did was I ended up going to buy one of those trolley lifts.
    24:28
    It was a little bit over spec. I think it was a 350 kilo one. And I thought, oh, now that I've bought that, I have to buy a pinball machine.
    24:37
    You've got to back yourself into a corner. So you bought that before you bought Pimball, how funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I thought if I get one, I'm going to need to move it around and I don't want to have to get the machine and then have it to end the room. You're probably smarter than 80% of the first buyers out there because I don't reckon I did it that way. Or you need another mate. Well, cart before the horse. Yeah, well, I haven't had mates.
    24:59
    Cart before the horse. But anyway, so, you know, Jared's going to be absolutely rolling in his early grave. Street Fighter II was my first game. Yes. Picked that up from Queensland. And like Jared, I think I grew up with the fighting games. You know, I think you were on Mortal Kombat. I was. You mentioned previously. Yes, I was. And I was a couple of years earlier on Street Fighter and absolutely loved it as a kid. So that's my nostalgia. And I thought, what's better than mixing your video game in a pinball machine than grabbing Street Fighter? Then I got it and I went, oh, yeah, it's not that great. How much did you make that? Back in the day, I think it was about $2,800. Jeez, wow. Probably all this, don't you? Oh, you mean jeez, wow. It's about all their fucking worth today. No, but I paid $600 for mine. I paid $600 for mine, so that's all. They're not worth it. Yeah. They're $600.
    25:49
    Anyway, I do remember it. When I was rung up to buy it, they actually said, do you really want to buy it? That's what they were trying to talk me out of it.
    25:57
    But no, I don't regret that purchase. It was a great learning pin. Yeah. And it actually, when it rocked up, it got delivered and I actually said to the bloke, how do you get the balls into it? Because he had the balls there by himself. I had no idea I'd take a lockdown bar and glass off, nothing. He looked at me like I don't see it and I felt like that. But you've got to start somewhere.
    26:22
    And so like with many other people that are out there, don't be scared to give it a go if you know nothing about it. And just ask the community if you've got any questions. But we said, yes, threw the balls in, turned it on, absolutely loved it. I think I was just mesmerized with it. And then I, you know, after a few months owning it, I thought, well, how can I pimp this up a little bit? You know, because now that it's mine, you know, like everybody, you want to be proud of your machine. So you sort of have a look at where the main deficits are in the machine, you know, change the incandescents to leads, maybe have a look at some cliffies for those kickouts and, you know, maybe some new plastics, you know, give the ramps a clean, You know, things like that, new balls.
    27:02
    So I finally also found a new old stock car for it, for the Bash toy, and I didn't want to put it in. I actually kept it for a couple of years before I put it in.
    27:12
    But man, I love that machine, but I ended up selling it. Like all good things, you know, sometimes you've got to move them on so that you can move on to others and just keep progressing, which most people do. I think you get your nostalgia kick. You scratch that itch and then you go, oh, what else was out there? And so then I just started buying a few more and, you know, I got a Whitewater, got that down, actually started putting the pennies over at my partner's place, Rebecca's place. And because, you know, she says, if we put your pennies here, you'll spend more time with me. I can do that. Good compromise.
    27:47
    So, and anyway, I left it there for the night and she started, she was playing it. She rang me up, she goes, I've lost the ball. I said, what do you mean you've lost the ball? It's got to be there somewhere. She goes, no, it's nowhere. I said, pull the glass off and have a look for it. She could not find it. You know what happened? In the VUK to go up to the Bigfoot ramp, I think the ball cupboard sort of snapped off. And so the ball had fallen into the bottom of the cabinet. Yeah, wow. Nice to meet you. So again, that was just another learning opportunity, you know, how to replace the part and identify it, replace it and put it back in. Yeah, look, so many of those opportunities have come up in pinball, as you know. If something can break, it will. Oh, 100%. And at the most inopportune time when you don have the time to fix it Yeah as always Yeah so from there I went and at a pub found a scared stiff that was in there and I think I put about five bucks in it for the night and I was there for about six hours left about seven credits on it when the pub shut and I thought I got to buy that machine So I did that and that's still in the collection today and I absolutely love it. What else have you got in the collection as well then with scared stiff? Also got a Next Gen, so Star Trek Next Gen.
    29:00
    As Matt was talking earlier, I've got the JJP Gunners, which I think a lot of people have got. There seems to be a lot out there. I've got a House of Horrors, Elvira as well, to go with the Scared Stiff, which is great.
    29:13
    Avengers, I mentioned earlier. A TMNT, Stern. Godzilla. Yeah, it's challenging. But I like it because it is brutal and you know what if I don't like it, I just turn the bloody thing off and go to something easier like Lethal Weapon 3 that I've also got.
    29:31
    That's my Pinterest machine, I love taking that each year. And also I've got a Mando as well. So yeah, that rounds out the collection and I'm quite happy with it at the moment but I think I'm a bad seller like most people.
    29:48
    I'm here now. Yeah, giving up your babies. Yeah, like you, Matt, you've got your, what, 70-odd and you can't sell them. So when you say bad seller, you mean that you don't sell? It's not that you're a hoarder seller. I don't like to sell. Yeah. No, I don't like to sell. I regret selling my brand stuff as Dracula.
    30:09
    I sold it, yeah, when I wasn't really ready. I think Gavin down at Windsor put out an expression of interest for one and I went, oh, yeah, I've got one. Yeah. I think I'm happy to sell it until it came time to selling it. And he bought it off me. Look, he's done great justice to the machine, done it up so nicely.
    30:28
    So I can't fault him for that, but I just fault me for going. I wasn't probably really ready to sell it. So I'd probably love to get that back in my collection one day.
    30:36
    I think the first few times I played it, I absolutely hated it. And then somebody convinced me to buy it, so I did, and then I fell in love with it. So, yeah.
    30:45
    And that's where we're at today. Did we want to talk about the best of all? Yeah, you should not stick on my voice yet.
    30:53
    So with all of that, you're obviously involved with Pinfest. You said that's sort of where it all started. So interestingly, now you've got yourself a little bit more ingrained than just a punter that turns up with a machine, I think, by the sounds of it.
    31:10
    Yeah, no, absolutely. I love Pinfest and the committee that they've got there. Yeah, trying to involve myself a little bit, trying to see where I can fit and add some value. And look, there's a lot of volunteers that are there. So you're a part of the committee, aren't you? Yeah, part of the committee now. There's a number of us on there. Yeah, so Chris, Marco, Brett. Chris, Marco, Brett, Clint, Dave, Jeff Hamilton, Dom, Mike Turnbull, Lucas, Shane, Wolfgang, Alexander and Sean. Yep. Great bunch of folks. And then there's about another 38, 40 volunteers all up for the event. So there's a lot of work that goes into it, as you can imagine. And having spoken to the TASPIN crew, you know that there's a lot of work in there. I think, you know, this was the last month's podcast. You could hear what went into it. It's just a phenomenal effort that goes in. But just coming back to PINFest, you know, that's organised by the Newcastle Pinball Association,
    32:09
    yet volunteer-driven and it's not-for-profit. And it's really aimed at the passionate pinball collectors and enthusiasts, you know, trying to promote the hobby while supporting the local charities in the area. We hold this annually on the third week of September and currently it's at Club Macquarie in Argentine, which is at Lake Macquarie.
    32:32
    It's our 15th year this year. We're now Australia's longest running premier pinball festival. Yep, nice work. And definitely a highlight on the pinball calendar, which is actually getting quite busy. It is now. It's starting to fill up a little bit more. But with those charities that you give to, you sent over some info, which is nice. But since 2021, there was 10,000 to Soul Cafe, 15 the next year to Friends of Palliative Care, 21 the next year, so 2023 to Jenny's Place. In 2024 there was $25,500 to Survivors R Us and then last year $30,000 has been donated to Friends of Palliative Care. So you've donated over $160,000 to local charities.
    33:21
    Yeah, we'd love to hit $200,000 this year if we can. So I'd just like to say a little bit of a round of applause for everyone involved though, mate, to the PINFEST committee and obviously the volunteers and everyone else. That's really good. That's huge, man. Yeah, we couldn't do this without people supporting the event itself, you know, all the people actually turning up, you know.
    33:43
    So, look, fantastic work by everybody. So this year we've actually got two new charities that we're going to try and do for the first time. We're going to do Connected to Care, that they provide urgent need for physical safe haven for people experiencing distress and suicidal thoughts. Okay. And then also Meals on Wheels, you know, supporting older adults and people with disabilities. I'm pretty sure everyone's been touched by Meals on Wheels. I know I was when my grandparents were at home and needed some help. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's awesome. Yeah, good. So, yeah, we definitely love to just support those local charities. Yeah, well done. So, PINFest is coming up. That's Saturday 19th and 20th of September this year. That's correct. Morning session that runs 9.30 to 1 and then an Arvo session that's at 2 till 5.30 on the Saturday. And then the Sunday is basically a super session, 10 till 3. That's correct. Yeah, and tickets will end up going on sale on Friday the 4th of September, which is usually around two weeks prior to the event. Pricing for those? No door sales, no door sales. No door sales, okay. It's only through the pinfest.com.au website. Yep. So ticket prices, you're talking at $35 for the single entry on the Saturday to each of those sessions, $40 for the super session on the Sunday.
    35:05
    We're doing family passes for $100, that's two adults, two kids per session. Plus also, you know, the Super Bowl passes, which sell out very quickly. We've only limited to about 30 tickets. They're $200, but they'll get you to all sessions, plus that VIP session on the Saturday night. That's good for you. Also, we're also running Game Show Trivia, which is being hosted by Lyndon from Neil Pimball. Pimball Museum. So that'll be a great event for those guys to attend as well. Yep, they're nice. So just with that, Newcastle, they started way back in 2012 at Caves Beach Hotel, where there was a small group of 12 passionate Pimball enthusiasts, and it's now grown to where it is today. They started with 59 machines. It's got so popular that we had to change venues in 2018 and that's where we have gone to Club Macquarie, Dargerton.
    36:03
    2018 there was about 77 machines. All the way through to this year we're expecting 118 machines, which is really the capacity of that venue, from 98 individual contributors. So when you think about that, that's a lot of individuals coming to the table to do that. We don't just have one supplier giving us 20 or 30 machines. It's coming from the everyday Joe. I mean, if you keep growing to this extent, are you looking to keep expanding the size of Pinfest, or are they happy with keeping it sort of more intimate and not bulging the seams? Exactly. We've had that discussion several times and you know what, I think we've kind of got the right, we've got the right recipe at the moment. We could certainly grow, we could take over more rooms in the venue or we could go to a bigger venue but that's not where we're at. I think, you know, it's been refined and we do have the right, it's comfortably spaced. I suppose the real indication is if you're getting feedback that people wanted to buy tickets and they couldn't, that's when you may look at expanding because you're not going to expand to an open or an empty environment because people are still going to buy the tickets to fill up that space. So it could work hand in hand. I hear what you're saying, but I can tell you what, we generally sell out within the first weekend of the ticket sales. And so, yeah, hence what point though, exactly, Rob. We've sold 80% of our tickets. But, I mean, again, we want to keep it intimate because, you know, it's, yeah, one thing it's about supporting local charities, but it's also just about the pinball community, having it right size so that you can actually have the time and the space to actually, you know, focus on the pinball community, you know, connections with other people and things like that. So as you know, when you get together to play pinball, you're probably talking for five hours out of the seven that you're there. Pretty frustrating. You're not even playing to.
    38:10
    Yeah, there's a lot of breakout areas. You know, time to catch up with, you know, Longlock's folks, especially when you consider that all the people that are contributing, you know, like they're as far as Mackay down to Tassie. Yeah, wow. The Pinball Mafia supporting us so well. And it's good to see everybody supporting them. But, you know, down Melbourne, Parks, Neil, obviously, we've got Linden, bringing them up. Yep. And Adelaide as well. So it's just grown and grown each year in popularity. It'll fill out quicker and quicker, but we want to keep it capped. I've only been once, which was many years ago now. I think it was on the foreshore, so I don't know where that was in regret. That might have been down at K's Deep. Was it? Yeah. And that was like, it was packed, mate. And there wouldn't have been anywhere near 120 machines. There might have only been, I don't know, 40 or 50 or something like that. I think it was when Thunderbirds first landed and there was some prototypes there that weren't working, unfortunately.
    39:06
    But yeah, I'd love to get back there. I just got to find the time, especially not this year. I've had a few other things jump on my lap. Well, I definitely challenge you guys to get up here at some stage. Mate. Come on, I came down to the expo last year, not last year before. You know my expo, mate. Yeah, bring the family up. Bring the family up. It's possible. Maybe next year. Once the girls are a bit older.
    39:29
    But out of all of that, you know, we've had 1,045 machines, you know, contributed to Pinfest and 451 different titles, you know, and 172 different contributors. So, I mean, we are so blessed to have the support of the community and the pinball community itself. And as I said, with those pinball volunteers, it's not just, you know, people doing ticketing sales and things like that, which obviously we need, But it's all the testing and tagging of machines, new layouts, end of session concierge just kicking people out when they don't want to go.
    40:05
    Well, I did notice as well, which I kind of like, I think I might have mentioned it last year on the podcast in the lead up to this, is that on your Facebook page you have, what is it, the people of Pinfest or something? And you rate them out of one star to five star and, you know, give a rundown of who they are, where they came from, the machines they've contributed, how many years they've done that for. And I think that's a bit of a, without sounding too corny, a bit of a nice, good story, you know, to do for those people. It's a nod to them, isn't it? Oh, it's great. I mean, if you took that a step further and did that in cards, like in trading cards, like what they did with that Will Day guy or whatever it was. Yeah, I think I remember that, yeah. That'd be fucking funny too, that'd be kind of funny.
    40:53
    But yeah, so the one thing we skipped, so tickets are on sale this Friday? No, no. No, Friday 4th of September, that's not this Friday coming. What we skipped was where you actually purchased them from. No, 4th of September. 4th of September? Yeah, pinfest.com.au website. Yep. Forward slash tickets, isn't it?
    41:11
    Yep, forward slash tickets, but you can also go to the Facebook page, which will be able to provide you those directions. So just look up the Newcastle Pinkfest webpage on Facebook. Yep. So everyone's setting an alarm for that and make sure you get on it. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, and just a final shout out then to all the techies that actually help us over the weekend. Without them, we can't keep their machines running. Yeah. Especially Alex and Fiona who are phenomenal. Yep. We've got 10.
    41:37
    Yeah, just all those folks are fantastic. Yeah, that's awesome. And so this year you've got sponsors. Some sponsors people turning up. Yep. We do. So we do look, the major sponsors that we do have at the moment is Club Macquarie. It's their biggest trading weekend of the year, A. We buy them out of beer.
    41:54
    I think last year we ran them out of two types of beer. So, Matt, if you came up, there'd be at least three out of them. Well, we're doing that this Friday, Danitaz. Danitaz Pin. But they give us all the rooms. They sponsor Shrew providing the venue at their cost. So that's fantastic. I think that absolutely helps us, you know, funnel all the, as many funds towards the charities as what we can. There's also on-site accommodation there. It's a four-star hotel. About 36 rooms. High demand usually books up a year in advance. Yeah, wow. So, you know, we find people, you know, supporting the local community, you know, the near suburbs as well through, you know, staying there as well. Well, when I come up, I'm going to be crashing your place, mate. With the kids. Yeah, okay. With the kids. You're going to have a handful. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. I'm out of your cell phone. No, you said bring the kids. You do. You do need to get up here, mate. I do.
    42:48
    So with that, yeah, Club and Quarry, fantastic. They are stars. They've been supporting us for a while and we hope to a long-standing relationship moving forward. In addition to that, you know, we've got AMD. They are absolutely brilliant. They support us every year as well. They're bringing three of their latest machines this year. Yep. So thanks, Michael. Drop them. Love to see you there. No, no, they haven't been released to us at this point in time, but you can probably move between the lines. Transformers, Pokemon. I'd love to see a Transformers there. Would love to. We've got... Star Wars? Yeah, is there another one? Maybe a Pokemon. Maybe, yeah, Pokemon definitely. Pokemon Transformers.
    43:28
    Unless they release a new machine, but... Yeah, wouldn't have been up there in time. Anyway, sorry, we were just... No, that's right. Some of the other sponsors, we've got Retro City Pinball and CoinUp Pinball. So I'm happy to have them on board again. Pinball House and Steel Tiger.
    43:44
    With Steel Tiger, they're bringing three latest machines as well from Barrels of Fun, Homepin and Hexa Pinball. So it'll be good to have those. Spooky Pinball, we're getting three of them. Vesta Pinball, bringing a few as well. Ned Kelly, Lost in Space and I think one other.
    44:01
    Australian Pinball Museum, five mechanical pinballs which will be on stage with interactive displays. And obviously they'll be helping out with running the game show and trivia session.
    44:11
    Illawarra Pinball, they're going to support us again this year by live streaming the Pinball event on Switch and YouTube, which will be fantastic to see. And we've also now got Tower Cinemas, I think. I don't know if you guys have heard that, but in Newcastle, we've actually got about 25 pins there. I think they're going to be running a launch party on the Friday night of the Pinfest weekend. And there might be a tourney on Sunday as well. And I believe some of the proceeds are going towards the charity for the entry fee. It sounds like it's going to be a massive, massive weekend. Yeah. It sounds like you guys cram in the water for two days. When's bumping for it?
    44:46
    Bumping is on the Friday. Well, we can start, I think, Thursday afternoon, bumping the rest of Friday. And then we bump out after three o'clock on Sunday. Yep. And you have to be out on Sunday? I think we've agreed to kick everybody up by the end of Sunday to the event room back to them. That's a lot of work. I think the previous years we've had some Monday morning, but yeah, there's a lot of work in there. Yeah, 100%. Everyone pulls together and that's the main thing. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, anyway, I think I've pratted on long enough. Oh, mate, listen. But it's been a great cause, great event, and yeah, great to see so many others on the calendar as well. Yeah, agreed, agreed. But good luck with it moving forward, mate. I'm sure we'll hopefully get a bit of a rundown from you or some of the other boys. We're hoping to catch up with Chris, I think, up at Taz Pin. And we were going to, was it Chris or Dom? Marco. Marco, was it? And have a bit of a chat to him while we're up at Tasmania or down at Taz Pin. But he won't be making it this year, unfortunately. He won't be making it, unfortunately, because we could have had a nice little chat to him at the time as well and just get a little bit more info. But, yeah, to all the boys there, I mean, congrats, obviously. Great work. The Foo Fighters is fantastic and obviously a testament to how well it's run and the organisers and as you said, everyone involved in that. So well done, look forward to another 15 hopefully. Congratulations guys. Alright, with that we'll throw into the Pimball Price Watch.
    46:11
    I'm never going to financially recover. You know, that's just like your opinion there. That's a whole lot of internet news there. I'm going to make them an awfully camera field.
    46:22
    Matty, you want to lead off? I can lead off, buddy. What have you seen? What are your thoughts? And Rob as well, give us your thoughts, what you guys think the market is currently doing and where we're at. My thoughts so far, what I've seen from this month, haven't seen much of a shift, but I've seen quite a few people testing waters with high-pricing machines.
    46:42
    Things that we're the market value we've been saying and quoting, like a premium thing about 11, 11.5. We're seeing them trying to push up the 14.5, 15, a bit like that, and some of the other LEs being even more expensive, the 20 grand mark, where we know most of these machines have been like five, six grand less.
    47:02
    There was actually a machine that really surprised me, yeah. It was a Star Wars Premium that came up, which I think was 12.8 or 12.9, and that sold within 24 hours. Mm-hmm. And I told the seller, I told the person who wanted to buy, I said, you're probably overpaying for that because we see them coming up for about 11, 11.5. Yeah. But it sold. Was that the old Star Wars? Oh, no, sorry, the, yeah, the old Star Wars. Okay. The 2017. Yeah. 2017 model? Yeah, so from Stern, so. Yeah. I was quite surprised with that sale going through so quickly. Mm-hmm. You know, well, we've seen a, like, there was Project EM, yeah. That sold for 1-1. Yeah. And that sold within hours. Yeah. I wouldn't have expected a project to go that quick. Yeah, for $1,100. So it's so bloody quickly.
    47:47
    I've seen the $8,000 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Pro. Okay. $8,000, that's maybe cheap for a pro, wasn't it? Yeah, very much so. Even though it's a pain-ass machine, you'd love to buy it for $8,000. $8,000, for sure. I've got to say, for a pro version, it's not really that much cut down from the premium. No, it's not. It's a great experience for $8,000. I wouldn't call it a great experience. As frustrating as it is. Let me qualify it.
    48:12
    There's a Stranger Things Pro at 10.9, and I think there was another one for the 10.5. Yep. They're still sitting there. No, the 10.5 ones. I was going to say, do you think they're overpriced? No. Look, it's funny you say that, Rob. I thought that Stranger Things Pro at 10.5, I inquired with the guy. The only thing that stopped me was my OCD of the chip at the scoop. And the reason it stopped me was not because of the chip, because you can buy a cliffy to hide that. But for some reason, Cliff is doing it in a carbon fibre look, so it's a really weird look when... It stands out. Yeah, 100% Rob, whereas a metal protector, it would still stand out, but you would be used to it because it's metal, so that was something that threw off. But I believe he sold that. I thought it was still there, but okay. No, no, it's gone. But anyway, if it was that, if it was straight away at 10 grand, they would have sold within a heartbeat. Yeah. That's what I really believe. So even Aerosmith Pro, that's at 9.5. If I was down at 10, maybe 9.5, that would sell weird. Sorry, you said it's sat at 9.5, but you mean it's sat at 10.5. I didn't. Can I say that? Yeah. I'm sorry. It's at 10.5, yeah. But if I had it down at 10 to 9.5, that would sell right away. I think just a little bit over, yeah. It's not a bad price. Obviously, we need Wigglewood. I'm pretty sure I saw one of those not too long ago, like maybe in the last 18 months, probably go for about 8.5. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So, I mean, I think 9 is probably about the right number. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, exactly. It's interesting too, I don't know about you guys, but I very much got in the back of my mind resale value when I'm looking to buy a machine now. Yeah, of course we all do. So that's strange of things at 10 and a half, I was like, I'm probably going to have to sell that for 9 and a half or 10 to move it on. So that's what I want it for. So hence why I didn't engage in a conversation with a seller because I knew he'd be swamped. And the last thing is for me to hear, oh, I've got heaps of inquiries, I'm not interested in reducing it. Which is fair, clearly. Yeah, yeah. But that was my thinking behind that. Yeah. What about yourself, Jared? What have you seen in the market this month? Look, it's interesting. I actually wrote up a little sort of piece for myself to reread and go through because I'm exactly where you are. I feel like with certain titles, we are starting to see a pushback on pricing. Yeah. And I feel like this is now the second month in a row that this has happened. It has, yeah. Because I'm sure we spoke about this last month. We did, yeah. However, some titles still seem to be all over the place as well. You know, Deadpool, I think they're a couple at 14.5, which is ridiculous. I shouldn't say ridiculous, but comparable to what we've seen. I mean, I bought mine at 11.7, so that's a massive difference. Now we've got a glut of T2 machines as well. I bought that too. Mate, Rob, I don't know about you, but they're not a 10 grand machine yet. No, no, that was going to be one of mine because I saw a price watch on one of those for about $12,000 or something like that. And I went, no, no, no, no, that's a $7,500 machine. And that used to be at $16,000, I think. Well, one got listed at $13,000 as a restored machine, you know, and that's just way too much. But, you know, Fishtails as well seem to be creeping back up as well. With the $10,000 mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like I saw, you know, there was one at $68,000, which obviously bucked that trend a little bit, but, you know, some of them are right up there as well, which was bizarre at that $10,000 mark. They're not necessarily selling just yet, but I feel like there's pushback. You know, we had a Foo Fighters Premium that was in the mix at $13,900. There was a Jaws that was in the mix at $15,000 that actually sold. Yes, I saw that. There was a Godzilla, so that was at $15. I think that's recently been dropped to $14.5 as well. That, I don't believe, is still sold. But I don't know how people can list them when it's only $500 more to buy a new inbox. Yeah, that's right. You know, so I'm going to watch those ones a little bit closer. I just wonder, Jared, whether or not they sort of deem the accessories to sort of be the carrot that takes it over the top of the box. Yeah, shaker motors, mirrors, you know, knobs, maybe toppers or something. And look, Matt and I have discussed this, I think, on a very early podcast and maybe we can revisit it again later. But to sort of gloss over that, I've always been one of mods don't add to pricing. I think we came to an agreement that colour DMDs do, but everything else is your choice to add to that machine. And you still need to sell at market value, otherwise you've over-capitalised on a machine. Yeah, and I just wonder whether or not people will be better off stripping those off and trying to sell them individually. Exactly. More than likely. Or using a next machine with a shake motor. If they're not adding any value to the community. It's not.
    53:09
    But look, further to that as well, there were a couple of high-speed twos as well that have popped up. One came at 10, one came at 9.5. And then there was a 12.5 for a fully restored FJ Holden, Hankin. People just, I don't know if they're testing the waters or they feel that's where the machine is, but it just feels like people are definitely pushing against them without a doubt. There is the opposite to that, and that is, you know, like there was a Stargate I saw at 55 and a Popeye at 5. So those two are pretty well priced personally. Then you go to sort of fun houses, there were two. I mean one came up at $9.5 and then another one came out at $7.5. So that goes to show where people are. One person thinks... I assume they're originals, aren't they? Yeah, correct. Not with the 2.0 code or anything like that. But that just goes to show the gap in the market where there are certain people that are testing those waters. I mean, there was a $6 million man for $7.5 million.
    54:18
    And this is the over-capitalisation discussion is that he had one of those new Flippercraft cabs, which is a $2,500 cab. Now, if he didn't do that, then it would be priced probably where it needs to be at $5,000 to $5,500. Yeah, if you're going to do that, you need to keep it in the collection. Correct. And that's what I mean. But yeah, like I said, the T2s, the Deadpools that have come out, there was a road show at 85, which again I feel like they hovered six-ish not that long ago.
    54:53
    Like I said, those T2s, I mean there was one I've got here, 11, 12 and 13 and the 13 was restored. The 11,000 one was the worst damn photos I think I've ever seen. Centaur at $75, which is an interesting one because those are always hard to price, I reckon. You know, they rarely come up and collectors love them. So I think they command that price because of that. Hawk LE, it's $15, so again, that's right up there. Right up there, that's the same one. Considering that they were down about $10, $9.5, weren't they? Yep, yep. And I think we've spoken a couple of times, I'd be interested to have a look at that as well. If I can't find what I want, you know, these are a couple of the machines that I'd be like, oh, I wonder if I could reach out. But, you know, you don't want to be that guy that offers five grand under where he is, you know. So how long do you wait? Yeah, that's rough. You know, JJP Guns N' Roses at 15, I saw. Led Zeppelin LE at 15.9. Yep. Venom LE at 18.5. Ooh. Yeah, I know. No, no shit. No shit. I think you mentioned the Ghostbusters, but there's still that LE at 26. Yep. There's an Elvira House of Horrors at 17.5, where they were hovering 12.5, man. Yeah, they did go down, didn't they? Pretty hard. That's a five grand lift on the market, so that's an interesting watch, that one as well.
    56:19
    There's two that I want to chat with you guys. One initially was that Aerosmith LE that was advertised at 17. Yep. That's sold. Okay. Now, I private messaged that guy. Nice guy. I was like, oh, did you get asking? He goes, yeah, I did. I'm like, like, I didn't. I was like, fuck, that's pretty good for an Aerosmith L.E. at 17. The only other one was that MM, the OG MM at 22.5 that's stored on the page.
    56:47
    I'm interested to hear what you guys think, where that pricing sits. I don want to take anything away from the seller because it a beautiful looking machine but that seems an extravagant price Yes it is considering you can buy the remakes for the same sort of price You can buy the remakes exactly I sure I seen one on the page recently for about or or something like that as well for an M So they've got to compete with that as well. Agreed, agreed. So that's where you look at fully restored, fully tricked out, $10,000 more. I don't know. That's where you do that full restore to keep it for yourself, not to go sell it. Yep. Because you're overcapitalised. Yeah, 100% you've overcapitalised. So that was sort of my, you know, and that's why I said to Rob earlier, I've got a lot to talk about because I don't know why. It feels like, again, we have a glut of machines in the marketplace. They're not selling, so they are sitting for a long period of time, I feel, at the moment. And especially with the pricing the way they are, I feel like they'll sit a little bit longer. But I guess time will tell. And next month we might turn around and go, well, holy moly, some of these sold. Yeah, yeah, that's right. We can only wait and see, can't we? That's where we can adjust our price watch, isn't it? But at the moment, I feel like until they sell, the premium level is still about 11.5 to 12.5. And I'll be honest. Yeah, depending on the title. Yeah, I think the newer titles sometimes might command a little bit of higher, but you've still got to remember you're still near NIB pricing, so you've got to be careful at that $15,000.
    58:27
    I'll use my examples like Dungeons and Dragons. The last ones I saw on the page were $12,500. For the premium? For the premium. So that's where my mindset is to purchase one. Now, if someone advertises at $14.5, I'll look to negotiate, but I'm not buying at $14.5 because that's not where the market from previous sales fits. And for $1,000 more, I'll buy new employees. That's right.
    58:53
    I agree. What about you, Rob? You got anything there? The only one that I saw, I guess, on top of all that, including that T2 that we mentioned earlier, I did see that Transformers LA, the original, and that was sitting around $12.5. And I guess from days of yesteryear, I still remember it being probably about $8,000, $9,000 machines. Had it really sort of grown up to $12,500? I don't know. Well, during COVID, I would have said they wouldn't go that easy, you know, probably. But not now. And not with the new one out. It's got to compete against that, really, with toys and everything. What are you, Jared? Do you have the best buy this month? Mine's blank, only because, like you said, with the project machines maybe, and then I was like, I don't know if projects at $1100 are a good buy or not. Rob, did you have anything as a standout buy? No, I didn't pick anything up this month. No, nothing this month. And maybe that goes to show with the way pricing is at the moment, pushing up higher than this is what. We've seen those little plugins. Yeah, maybe we have. Which only leads us into the world famous what the fuck. What the fuck. Can you say it with us, Rob?
    59:56
    What the fuck. That's it. I told you he's going to potty mouth. Last month I had a few and the month before that I think I had a few and then there's a few again but I've really narrowed it down to two. I know, I think I know which one is one of them. And he's the same seller. So I think this guy deserves the what the fuck. I will give an honourable mention to a Kiss Ellie that's out there at $26,000. Yep. You sir, what the fuck. Yep. There's an Evel Knievel at $11,000, which is also a what the fuck. Yep. However, I've given it to a John Wick LE. Yes, that's the one. And a Foo Fighters LE. Yep. Again, Queensland, so there's something in the water. The best in Australia. The best in Australia, $22,500 for each machine. So $22,500 for the WIC and $22,000 for the Foo Fighters LE. Now, we could pick up a John Wick LE for $16,500.
    60:58
    It was 15.9 that John Wiggelli that sat for a year and didn't sell. It's not the best visit, Matt. It's not the best. It wasn't the best. It was the best process. Gotta read the ad. Gotta read the ad. Yep, yep. I love blokes like that. The best in Australia. Like, there's no difference. Like, Ellie's come in and they would have been out of box. Anyway, I'm rambling a bit on that. But he gets my what the fucks because that is a true what the fuck. The last Foo Fighter LE's I think sold at 14 or 13 and a half, did they not? Yeah, I think around 13 and a half, yeah. So, fucking get off whatever you're drinking up there, boy.
    61:40
    So, Silver Bull Showdown. I've had a theme recently with designers. I've swayed away from that. I've gone on to the best made ever machines, which is Gottlieb. So, you're not just being a random bastard like me? No, I've gone to Gottlieb. Because I know we all love Gottlieb. Yep. And starting with that is Street Fighter 2. Yes. Versus Freddy.
    62:05
    Yeah. Fuck you, Matt. I need to see you. This is hard. Freddy, I'm the biggest fan of Freddy. I love the shit out of him. But I'm going to have to go with Street Fighter 2. Just, yeah, nostalgia-wise, because it was my second machine. I really enjoyed the machine. I just enjoy it. And now after speaking to Rob and hearing that was his first machine. Yeah, you know where I'm going. You know where I'm going. Street Fighter 2. Where did you go, Jaren? I don't care.
    62:34
    Let's do this voice. So my next one was Teed Off versus Mario Brothers, Super Mario Brothers. Oh, look, I haven't actually played Mario Brothers, so I don't know. I played Teed Off. I did enjoy it. Obviously clunky as a well. But probably theme-wise, probably Mario. Yeah.
    62:58
    I'm in team teed off, actually. I think that plays a bit better than Mario. I find Mario really, yeah, how you going? Yep, okay. And then finally, Stargate versus QBall.
    63:09
    I'd probably go Stargate, one for theme and two for the gameplay. Yep. Yeah, same. Okay. I can see you two are in bed with each other, that's fine. I don't know if we are. But we have midnight phone calls every night, mate. So that's, yeah, that was mine, Gottlieb. There you go. Matty?
    63:28
    Okay, my little question here for you boys. You can't get loose. Stop looking, stop cheating. Black Knight 2K or Flash Gordon?
    63:40
    Black Knight for me, personally. Much prefer it. Yeah, I think Black Knight as well. I like the two-layer playfield. Yeah, any reason why you like it? Yeah, dual playfield as well. Honestly, I love it for the music and the callers. It's awesome. Yeah, this is not about you. No Good Gophers or Funhouse? Oh, Funhouse. Okay. Funhouse for sure. No Good Gophers. Yeah, Funhouse is just the way Rudy backchats to you and taunts you. That little trap shot is very difficult. It's just a challenging, challenging machine for me. Okay. So Stern Monopoly or Stern Wheel of Fortune?
    64:23
    I haven't really put enough time on either of them to be honest. I've probably only played them at the Hall of Fame. Probably Monopoly for me. Yeah, I think Nostalgia. Yeah. Nostalgia, I'm with Monopoly as well. Yeah.
    64:38
    All right, Rob, what's yours? For mine, starting around the 80s, Firepower or Space Shuttle? Firepower for me.
    64:46
    Space Shuttle for me. Okay. Yeah. Why is that? I don't know, I just can't get past that firepower. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, firepower was fun to play.
    64:58
    Correct me if I'm wrong, Rob, but the Space Shuttle has that lock up the centre, doesn't it, where you hit the drop and it comes down and then you've got to hit it through the centre shot for your multiball?
    65:08
    That's the Space Shuttle shot up through the middle? Yeah. I'm just trying to think, there's a left lock, right lock. It's been a while since I've played it. Yeah, it's been ages.
    65:17
    There's a little bit more to it, obviously, with Space Challenge. Yeah, of course, but I'm just thinking of that as what I remember. So I think it was just the challenge of it was, yeah, really enjoyable for me.
    65:29
    Okay, next ones, we'll jump up to some Williams. Whitewater or Bram Stoker's Dracula? Oh, Whitewater. Yeah, Whitewater for sure. Oh, whereas I'm sitting in Bram Stoker's. I mean, I've got a Whitewater and I've owned a Bram Stoker's.
    65:43
    It's just a bitch to play. Yeah, I must say. It's funny you say that. I think getting that multiple stack is where the bitch to play comes into it, but I played a mate when I went to gyms, and I played smooth as butter he's played, and I found it very, very fun to play, but I just felt like the depth wasn't there comparable to what you've done, Rob, by putting it up against Whitewater. Like, the depth in Whitewater, code-wise, is why I would do that. Yeah, awesome. I can understand that. I just love the bullslapper.
    66:18
    The bullslapper. That's great. I was going to say, funny thing with that, I actually bonded with Rebecca over that. We found one at the center up this way, yeah, and just smashed the glass and then you've got the whirlpool and, you know, she loved that. That was something that, you know, will always take away, which is why I'm not allowed to spell it. So then we've got third and final, two stones, Venom or TNNT? Venom. I've gone to the lower end of enjoying. Yeah, I think Venom is an enjoy. I think that's underrated. I don't mind Venom. That's what I was going to say because it seems to get a really bad rap. Yeah, it does. It does. But I love it. Yeah, I don't mind it. I think because it's that play field that everything's pushed up to the back and it's very open at the front. But it's interesting because I have noticed Stern, specifically Jack Danger, has been pushing a little bit on his socials because I think they're putting it in a vault or something, so they're obviously just trying to push it out one more, one last time and get something happening with it. But yeah, I'd say Venom for sure. But obviously it doesn't get love because when we went to the Pinball Museum I was actually excited to go play again. Yeah. It was gone. Oh, really? Yeah. That would definitely be one that I'd trade out for. I would definitely trade out for a Venom. Yeah, I mean, you could really switch Venom out for, you know, say, Walking Barefoot on Lego versus Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and I'd still choose Walking Barefoot on Lego.
    67:50
    Good on, Joe. Some of these folks analogies, eh? Jesus Christ. That was Silver Bull Shredder. That was good fun. Just the tip is our next little segment. I do have a tip. Go for it. Yeah, so lifetime audits just for people in general. So just because you buy a machine, say let's say you, let me see, an Addams Family, someone says home use only, which we announce can be bullshit, and it says total plays or whatever, and it says 600 total plays. Total bullshit, it's not real, because those machines can either be reset by doing a factory reset or the battery's dying. Stern brought in the Lifetime Plays back in about 2019, I think it was, when they did the update with Metallica. So pretty much any machine from, I think it's Metallica onwards, they now have complete Lifetime Plays. So unless you could have played 400 games on Metallica and then did this code update, then it would have gone back to zero. And then at least you then now know with all these new Stern machines what the actual total Lifetime Plays are, so you can't be duped into the same. Yeah, assuming you haven't swapped out the CPU. Yeah. That's where it would hold it, because I know I had to change my board out. Well, that is one thing, but that's an expensive option, you know, it's a $600. Yeah, it is. At least an option is it. But, you know, like someone saying, oh, Homey's only Deadpool and it's got 4,000 games on it, you're going to go, probably not. That's been cited. And then, also JJP machines, though. They say they've got lifetime totals, but not if you do a code update or a factory reset. Okay. Oh, okay, they default them back to zero, do they, after the code update? They sure do. Oh, I haven't looked. Yes, because I was looking at it myself, because when I did the JJP code updates, I was like, well, there you go, my game's back to zero. Because I was like, I want to see how many games we've played, and I was like, I don't even know now. Yeah, okay. So interesting. Yeah, so that's my little tip for people. So just because it says total plays for JJP machines or Bally Williams machines, don't believe. But with Stern Machines, you should be trusted, especially if it says total lifetime plays. Yep. Because you have plays and lifetime plays.
    70:00
    Yep. What about yourself, Jarek, you got a tip? I had a couple. I've changed mid-listening. My tip is a little bit of an admin tip for the page for Pimball Ozwide, and that is don't Turn off comments on your sales posts personally. I know people do it, and I'll be honest, if he listens, apologies, but there was this one guy that put up about 40 separate items for sale, parts for machines, but he turned comments off. One of two things happens with that. One, how are you supposed to comment on a post that you want something that he is selling? Yeah, that's right. So you can't get to him. You will have to private message him. They always generally go into others' folders, so unless he gets a notification that he's seen, he's not going to see that notification. But for those that are trying to sell machines or what have you, I don't know about you, Rob, sorry, that's my dog in the background. I don't know about you guys, but I always think if you've got your comments turned off, you're hiding something. You don't want people to either berate your machine or talk glowingly about it, you know, because you're always going to get that 50-50. You're always going to get a couple that'll be like, that's an overpriced piece of shit, and you'll always get a couple with, that's the best thing I've ever seen. Now, on our page, obviously, we tend to moderate those type of comments off. Yep. Unless it's a $22,500 John Wick L.E. Yep. Otherwise, I would just urge, because I've seen it more and more recently, I would just urge members just to leave comments alone and let us do our job in regards to moderating because without comments, you're not staying in people's feeds. That's right. So you're not getting the views. No traction. You're not getting any traction. You're not getting any clicks. You're not getting any likes. So people are going to drop off that out of their feed and it's going to be harder to sell a machine. So I would just say keep comments on, guys. That's just my tip personally. Sure. What about yourself, Rob? You got any tips? Yeah, I've got a couple of tips if that's all right. Look, for a pinball owner, if you've got several machines, like one thing I found on it very earlier is you can be buying a lot of pinballs for your machines if you're not really looking after the pinballs themselves. But one thing I got onto was buying a tumbler with some media, walnut media and just a bit of chrome polish, etc. And throwing the balls in there every now and then just to try and keep them in good condition. Obviously, if you're getting your nicks out of them or anything else like that, you've got to turf them because you don't want to be ripping up the play field. But you can extend the life of those balls for a very, very long time. And when you're looking at $3.50, $4 a ball, it adds up when you've got a dozen machines or so in your collection. So 100% look into a tumbler. And as long as they're not magnetised either.
    73:01
    Yeah, no, of course. I mean, obviously keep an eye on which machines need carbon walls versus non-carbon. Yeah, don't mix them up. With the magnets, yeah, don't mix them up. Kind of know what you've got in your machines.
    73:12
    But yeah, another one for me, which I learnt the hard way, is A, don't be afraid to launch in your machine to try and fix something. But B, be prepared that when you fuck it up, excuse me, language warning, that you've got to pay for someone to fix it. With that in mind, turn your bloody power off on the machine when you're working on it. I can't tell you how many times I haven't done that and I've broken something. Or electrocuted yourself. Or nearly electrocuted myself. I think one of the last ones was my dog ripped off the under-cab lighting. Oh, wow. So I went to try and resurrect that to an extent and I had a yoga mat on top of the machine, you know, working on the top of the machine looking to do some soldering, putting it back on and I didn't realise the machine was on because I was, you know, I wasn't looking at the back glass and I couldn't see the play field and unfortunately the machine was on. and I kind of arced it, you know, when I put the soldering and soldering everything to it and I've blown back a few things from the machine which I've got to get the under-ken to fix up for me but again, you've got to be prepared to pay for it. Yeah, very great. Give it a crack, do it the right way. You know, the annoyance is that you lose, you know, a month or so of not being able to play on the machine too. I did something similar once. I can't think of which machine it was, but I was just giving it clean out, dust out. I had the machine turned on, so I've got the back box open, and I just had my little hand, it'll blow out my walking blowers. I'll blow that out, give it a clean. Oh, static. No, someone obviously did some previous work in there with some solder. This little piece of solder's gone and jumped up and bridged something. Jesus Christ. Yeah, on the MPU board. I was going, what the fuck happened there? I didn't have no idea. I'm going, what the fuck has just happened here? And I was looking so close, I'm like, oh my God, look at that glob of salt with that bloody boiler. So don't leave your machine on while I'm blowing it out. Maybe don't use a fucking blower. Maybe don't use a hand blower.
    75:13
    In a nasty debate and most beautiful, the best machine in Australia. Yeah, for sale now. Next thing you know, he's going to tell us he cleans his place filled with his Roomba. I don't fucking know. Don't you put yours on their jacket and the polish. And it's a robo-rock, mate, not a robo-rock. So you're good.
    75:33
    Well, nice tips, guys. I like them. Hopefully they're taking advice. We've got this far too. I do want to say for anyone that's listened so far, thank you. Appreciate the listens. As always, please like and subscribe if you've got this far. As I said, if we get to 100, and I think I'll put a time frame on it, I'd like to do some sort of giveaway. So we're 17 away from that. You can give away a pinball machine. No, I could give away a 3D printed machine, Pinball machine, but I won't give away a Pinball. But yeah, like I said, just like if you've got this far, we've rambled and we've been rambling for over a year now doing this. So a few extra little listeners and followers is always really nice. Like I said, I think we're almost one to two, maybe a little bit one to three still on some of the followers to listen. So just click away, guys. Just click away. So, Rumour Industry News is what we lead into. So, we've got a few to chat about. What do you want to start off? Well, I think we led off with Suzo Happ. I think that's how you pronounce it, isn't it? An American-based, generally an arcade-based supplier in the US. I read that they are possibly going under and no longer, which is, for those that may or may not know, I don't know. Rob, have you heard of them? I presume you would have. Don't they do the joysticks? Correct, mate. Yeah, they do. Like, I bought a rotary joystick off there years ago for my main machine, so they've done joysticks. They've done motors. Yep, yep, all sorts of stuff. I think we bought some optic boards from them to wheel. We bought optic boards, motors, we replaced a few motors for our kooky hulls. Yeah. So, we're lucky we got them back then because, obviously, they won't be available because you can't fix them. No, no, that's it. So it sounds like they could be in a bit of trouble and going, which I know there's a Melbourne-based or Australian-based Fuso as well, so I'd be interested to see how that affects them. But a bit of sad news, they've been around for donkeys, donkeys, so that'll be a shame. Moving on to sort of more pinball-related, Barrels of Fun have finished June, and rumours are abound that they're ready to announce a new game. I don't know if anyone's heard anything in the wings about that sort of stuff. I'm not sure, Rob, do you know anything? Only that it might be Bon Jovi, then I'm just scratching my head. Yeah, I've heard the same about Bon Jovi, that's been on Pinside for quite some time. Yeah, it's probably not about, I mean, I think those sort of rock themes tend to do pretty good in the industry, don't they? You know, you look at ACDC, Metallica, Foo Fighters, you know, Queen could have been good. Is Queen another one they were looking at? Didn't they have as well the licence as opposed to the other mob? I've got no idea. Pimball Brothers? I'm sure there was someone. I'd love to see another remake of Queen. I'm sure there was, Rob. It was either them or JJP. I thought there were small rumours abound that they had a Queen. Ooh, JJP would be nice. JJP would be huge for a Queen licence. And it would do justice. Yeah. I don't think so. Look, I'm probably wrong. I mean, I know Nadine's a bit of a fan of Bon Jovi. I'm sure there's a lot of wives out there that are fans of Bon Jovi, to be honest. I mean, his back catalogue is huge. It's almost as good as Michael Jackson's, like with the hits that he had in that era. He was very popular. That's not for me. My money's safe. It's not for me either, but Elton John wasn't for me, but if that was a $12,000 premium, I'd still consider it. But because it's a $20,000 premium, I'm not considering it. But Elton John is a brilliant machine to play, and I don't mind the music they've got into that.
    79:17
    Slippery Worm Witch, surely you had that. Everyone used to joke about that. I keep it PG. So that's Beryl's. P3, well not apparently, P3 have dropped Dungeon Crawler, is that right? Dungeon Crawler Carl. It's leaked.
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    You guys, I can go into some research that I did, but do you guys know anything about this? I didn't know much about it until... I understand it might be a book series, but they've done it off, and again, I think it might be American-centric, so I don't know if many Aussies know much about it. Yeah, I mean, this is just, in my opinion, and that's what I'm allowed to do because this is a podcast, have an opinion, this is the worst theme I've ever heard of. And especially by Monty Mulfi. Especially by Monty Mulfi, yeah. I think, as you said, Rob, the 20 owners will be happy with this, I'm sure. But the description I got from the web was that it follows a sarcastic Coast Guard veteran named Carl and a talking egomaniacal cat named Princess Donut as they navigate an alien-run death game dungeon that's broadcast as an intergalactic reality TV. Which open? It's a series of books, from my understanding, and it's only been around for five-ish odd years. It doesn't have a deep history, so I don't know how this is going to appeal to the broader pinball industry. Yeah, would you gravitate to it in an arcade? Sorry, say that again? For theme, would you gravitate to it in an arcade? I don't know if you'd be able to understand it. Like when you were talking about a cat or something crawling through a dungeon with Carl or something. I don't know. I lost. It sounds like, however, this is literally taking off. And I presume this is through the RPG sort of board game style people that do it. But, I mean, the licensing that they've had recently, so for television, Universal International Studios and Seth MacFarlane, so his Fuzzy Door Productions, they've acquired live action TV rights for this. Okay. It's believed Christopher Yoist, I think it's pronounced, is attached to write that stuff and he's done Thor, Ragnarok and The Mandalorian. Okay. So they've got some heavy hitting TV behind them. Toys have been debuted, so a full production line at New York Toy Fair in 2026. So action figures, blind box diorama statues, mystery loot boxes and there's some plushies as well. Tabletop Involvement, so Renegade Game Studios is developing an RPG tabletop, so a solo cop deck-binding card game. Sounds like you can't do this, mate, doing all this research. Well, I just wanted to know who the fuck this was. I don't know what either. Because this, while I don't care about it, and I don't know who it is, this to me shows that it's actually... It's an upcoming thing. Like, as I said, people are huge for this. You know, you don't within five years have, you know, as I said, Seth MacFarlane, like that's family guy now. You know, you don't have someone like that looking into your IP if you're doing something done. Yeah, if you didn't think it was going to work. Are we perhaps like five to ten years too early then for this? Like, does it really need to have already taken off for the players to get a bit of an association or an affinity for the theme? Yeah, I don't know. Because again, I can't see them going out, you know, launching out the door for sale. I'll put it out there, all pinball is good pinball, right? Except for Street Fighter 2 in South Park. There's a lid for every pot. There's a lid for every pot, right? But, yeah, I just, yeah. In the environment at the moment, it's a hard thing to get across the line from a theme perspective compared to all the rest that's out there. Yeah, I think so. And I think, unfortunately, as Matt said, being P3, I think sort of narrows that down even further as well with that platform sort of thing. I was going to say, if you bought a P3, where do you store all your tabs? I mean, sorry, all the places. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to have your own storage room, surely. Yeah, people keep them in the boxes and probably just stack them on top of each other or something. Stack them under the machines. Yeah, I don't know. But look, it's an interesting title to go for, for sure. As I said, it's nothing that I've ever heard of. No, neither. I don't know if it'll make its way to the Australian public or not. I know there's some American buzz about it, but it's an interesting choice, I guess. Just with that, did you hear that they were developing two games in parallel, so Dungeon Caller Kyle and something else. I haven't heard what that title is. Okay.
    84:12
    So when you say two games in parallel, are you referring to the spooky bit where they did the same game? I don't think it's going to be the same game. I think it's two different games. Right, okay. So I'd be interested to see if there's any other announcements on that very shortly. Okay. Watch this space, as they say. And we were going to have a bit of a chat about Sonic. Now that that's been out for a little bit through JJP, any sort of idea on what we think about that now? I still think it looks great. I enjoy that you can choose your modes from the start. So you choose those type of modes. I feel a bit underwhelmed about the loop-to-loop. I'm sure it's cool that it goes up that right ramp and it zooms around and comes back at you, but I just thought it would have had this just nice bigger loop you'd see, not just this little quick thing to the side. I wonder what Sonic is though. It's a pretty tight quick loop when you use it on the old MediDrive game. I still think it looks just too small. It's not a big enough attraction there. Supposedly it's meant to go down to the right flipper all the time. Well, I've seen that in the gameplay of the years. It shoots off to the left, over to the right, and then once it goes. So it's not always back to your flipper right there. You don't seem to spend much time on the upper play field. That seems very, quite hard. I think you need to get up there by getting to a boss battle by clearing one of the zones That the way you do it Is that the only way I thought No no it not the only way but that the main attraction is that once you clear one of the zones Oh, that's when it activates. Yeah, that is when it activates. That's when it activates, and you get up there and you fight the boss, basically. So that's the only... But you've still got all these shots up there, but it just doesn't look like you spend a lot of time there. Yeah, you've seen how the gap is up there. I think you need to be a pretty decent player to keep it up there and to use that centre post to your advantage. Yeah, I was going to say, that centre post, you have to bounce it off that. Yeah, and I think that would just take a little bit of skill and knowledge to get right. And I guess because the machine's only been out for a small amount of time, people are probably still working that out.
    86:14
    But look, the boss had to look pretty cool with Dr. Egg or RebundMe, whatever you were calling him. When did the drop in Australia, do you guys know? It looks like Paul has one. Yeah, so one was coming for the Melbourne Pinball Expo. Well, so they're going to have six for the Expo. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. So I think Paul's getting a few in. But from what I know, there's one currently in Australia, pinball sales. I don't think it's for anyone to play yet. Yep, yep. But yeah, look, I like Dr. Rebutnick. Yeah, he moves up and down, left and right, and it looks like a good bash toy. They're not just sitting ahead in the same bloody static shot. Yeah. It looks good for them. I do like the topper still. It moves backwards and forwards and interacts with the game. It's pretty cool for a topper. Yeah.
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    I still want to play it. I can't wait to play at the Expo. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it as well. It looks like a fast. It does, doesn't it? It does. It looks like a very fast game, which is in tune with, obviously, the theme of it. Yeah, that's right. Well, I think that's what Richie was always playing with his fastest, right? Yep. Yeah, definitely. And it certainly does look that, I don't mind the look of the shots. Look, I've seen limited gameplay. The gameplay that I saw, funnily enough, that loop did come back pretty regularly to his right flipper, so it looked like, but came back fast at this man, really quick.
    87:32
    So that was interesting. But yeah, I'm like you, I'm very interested to play it. I still don't think the C.E. is all that much with that, you know, got to go fast side. Yeah, I know. Could have done so much. That's the only one you get the topper with, right? Yeah, correct, yeah. The official topper, yeah. And I also noticed that the JJPs changed because they're now going CEs, Standard Arcade, I think it was. So there's no LEs anymore. Yeah, okay. So whereas like Harry Potter, they had Collector's Wizard Arcade. Yeah. So they're obviously mixing up now with all the obviously different names or whatever. Yeah, moving forward, I'd say. Yeah. So what about you, Rob? Have you got any thoughts on Sonic?
    88:12
    Ah, look, it's a pretty machine. Yeah. I think it's potentially got a lot of depth to it in the sense of it still needs, I think, a lot more coding. But I think you said it right, Matt. The upper play field, I'm not really sure about it, but I think you've got to get your hands on the machine. And that's right. Give it a play. And I do like the fact that Dr. Eggman or whoever he's up there does... That's not his nickname.
    88:36
    That's his nickname. Inarchangeable. Yeah. I like the fact that he does go up and down and left and right. So, you know, he can avoid your shots. So it's not just sitting there as a static page toy like Matt said. And that brings a little bit of interest to the game. In terms of the loop-de-loop, yeah, I can take it or leave it. It's there. It's a bit of a nod to it. I do like the little lights that change from rings and stars or whatever to tell you what you're actually shooting the ramp to collect, the different ramps to collect. The Dot Matrix ones, Dot Matrix lights. Yeah, I think they look pretty cool. And a bit of a nod back to the, you know, to the, what is it, the 64-bit sort of game or 32-bit. Yeah.
    89:16
    Yeah, the sculpts look very nice too, I must admit. They're handcrafted, I believe they said, but they look good with Sronik and the Rebutnik, so yeah, very nice. Like I said, I'm looking forward to get some time on it as well. We'll be playing it very soon, mate. Hopefully. Hopefully we get a mad in-bought. Hopefully. And then there was just Transformers accessories that were released. Officially released. So they've done the top of the inner art blades, the shooter knob, there's the side armour cabinet lights, side armour lights and the expression lighting. Yeah. I mean, you and I are pretty similar on this, Matty. I don't know where Rob stands, 2200 plus GST for the topper. 24, what is it, 24, 200 or something. Guys, I can't talk because I bought a Mandalorian topper. Yep. So I'm one of those people, unfortunately.
    90:09
    I had a role in machines. Yeah, bloody. I felt as a trap. The OCD in the line-up where you've got no topper on one of the machines right in the middle, and you can't leave it like that. So I had to buy the topper, and I thought, get to sell myself. In three years' time, I won't remember the price that I paid. But yeah, I do.
    90:30
    Yeah, look, I think they probably have their place. Some of them are okay, but I guess just the pricing I can't justify it. I think we spoke about it. By the time you sort of load up on some of these accessories, you could almost buy another machine. Another machine. Yep, just a Ballywee. But isn't it lucky that a lot of us are just maxed out in our capacity-wise? You know, you have to get rid of a fridge to get another one.
    90:55
    I've already got rid of the air hockey table and the arcade machines. Yep, nice. And I'm maxed out. Yeah, yep, agreed. Anyway, I like the topper, but just for the prices. Yeah, I mean the topper, the new art blades are a 180 plus GST, the shooter knob is 300 plus GST. Do you like the art blades? The art blades are okay. Yeah, they're getting crazy in price. Yeah, I mean that shooter knob's disgusting. I don't even know what it is, honestly. That's terrible looking. The side armour, yeah, I don't like that sort of rectangular look. I like where they either have the circular or they have a larger sort of that triangular sort of feed down to the legs. And then the rest is just pretty standard, the cabinet lighting and the like.
    91:41
    Just on that Transformers though, just recently I just saw somebody was actually working on a Optimus Prime that does Transformers. So I'm interested to see how that comes out as an aftermarket mod potentially. because definitely I think people are looking for it. Look, I'm sure it's a great machine, but, you know, something needs to transform is what people are looking at in the market. And wants them. Just like Jaws eating that bull, right? Yeah, that's right. An honorary little bull. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think someone went through and showed where it was supposed to transform. Yeah. Sort of took the toy out and you could see. And they dropped it out. Yeah, yeah. You could see where it was supposed to sit and how it was supposed to sit originally. And yeah, a lot of sounds of it, they've just ran out of time, logistics, money, whatever.
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    I'm probably jumping ahead a bit, but do you think Stern are potentially doing themselves a disservice by churning out so many machines and not actually doing them just as dessert? I'd say so, yes. Like you said, having to drop things off because they can't engineer it to work in time, and let's face it, a batch toy or something like that, that transform is a major mech. Yeah. And ditching that just to get it out the door, is that something that us consumers really want or care about? I don't know. I reckon they should take more time and get it done right and just delay the release. The problem is, 100% I agree with you, Rob, the problem is that you've got guys that will always just buy them. The strongest thing that we can do as a community is stop buying them. Yeah, yeah. And then that'll put the brakes on a little bit and hopefully send a message. But, you know, there's so many people that just drop money because of Lomo and, you know, out the door and away they go.
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    Yeah, and look, I'm sure it's still a good pinball machine, but this is just kind of like that extra 20% kind of thing that would take it over the top, I think, for people. Yeah, 100%. I'm definitely still keen to play it, so hopefully we get to play one in the next five days. Yeah, it'd be nice if it's a test. I think it would be. Surely I'm there bringing them. Well, if you've got the accessories and stuff now, I'd be guessing the machines are coming out. Yeah, it'd be nice. Will be nice. That would be great. And then moving right along, we've just got a bit of a discussion topic that you wanted to have a chat about, Matty? Yeah, so the discussion I wanted to have was your biggest regret in pinball. Do you have any regrets, Rob? Is there anything that you're kicking yourself about, just anything in general? It could be a purchase, it could be not getting away. Yeah, I've got a couple and it's kind of like not pulling the trigger on a game when I really should have. I think, you know, I was at Pinfest one year and it was just as they'd moved up to Lake Macquarie and I think it was a $13,000 for a Ghostbusters LE. And I thought, nah, that's a bit too expensive. But, you know, then COVID hit and I went, oh my God, what did I do? I should have bought it. And another one was Stern Pirates of the Caribbean and it sort of like had chrome door and chrome lots of things. It was beautiful. It was only, I think, 6,700 or something. And I was on the way back from holidays. I inquired about it and it had just been sold like, you know, an hour before. And I was just like kicking myself not looking at it. But yeah, a couple of those sliding door moments with those things. But other than that, it's just selling machines like, as I said, seller's remorse. It's just that my street fighter, I just should have kept it. I just should have. Jaren does not agree with you. Brand Stokers. Well, hey, if it's one that will see my shed rather than his shed, I'm sure he's happy with that.
    95:24
    That's right. One less for him to be tempted to talk about. What about you guys? Yeah, I was going to say, what about you, Jaren?
    95:32
    It's funny, I mean, hearing Rob talk in that manner, I've taken, when you said biggest regrets in pinball, I got sort of like personal as in I don't have regrets. Like I think, you know, but that was just the way I thought about it. You know, I try not to go through this hobby with any regrets. I think any action that I've ever done or taken has led me to this point, you know, and that's from, you know, annoying the fuck out of probably a lot of people in this hobby, blocking a lot of people off the page. You know, them sort of, for some reason I'm living rent-free in their head and all of that sort of stuff has happened for a reason. So I've, and that was the angle that I thought you were. Oh, okay. It was just, but it can mean that though. There's no problem. Yeah, so that's why I was like, I don't really have any regrets. But I guess that's because I was looking at a bigger picture for me. I think if I was to narrow it down to what Rob was speaking about, The only thing is that I wish sort of around that 2011-2012 period the dollar was at parity and I brought in a machine from the States being Embryon and I think it was about a $2,300 machine all up and had fun, changed over from obviously 110 to 240 volt and got it working and got some displays and cleaned it up, tricked it out, blah, blah, blah and ended up selling it. I wish I had done that a little more and brought in more, not necessarily become a container importer as such, but just for personal value to have a larger collection possibly. But as I said at the top, as an overall picture, I try not to have too many regrets, I guess. Yep. You? Me? Well, you already know what my one is. Metallica? It is, because it comes up as a memory every year that Jared's tagging in. So I think it was 2017 or 2018 and Metallica LA came up for sale. It was actually local too, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I can't remember. And that was seven and a half grand, wasn't it? Yeah, something like that. Wow. Yeah, so I kind of kicked myself all the time going, why didn't I just buy it? Because next thing you know, I would have bought myself a new in-box, bloody premium monsters. So Metallica, so, and what was that? About eight, eight I think it was. Yeah. So I ended up spending even bloody more, so I should have bought the LA for the seven and a half. Yeah. Then my next one was actually a safe cracker. I should have just bloody bought it. Yeah, that's right. That was in Perth, wasn't it? No, no, that was local. That was, yeah, it was actually $12,000 or $12,000, is that right? It was $11,000 for a safe cracker. So I wanted one for a line. They certainly don't come up very often. Well, one that don't come up very often, and two, when they do, they're bloody expensive. So that was a local machine, and I should have bought it. I don't know why I didn't pull the trigger. I had the money sitting there. I just got no answer. But as to what you were saying about regrets and stuff, I don't think I've got any regrets in Pinball because I think I've only just met general nice people and always had a great time with the people who I've associated, so as you blocking people because you don't want to deal with them. So it's just, yeah, so no regrets with anything like that, Pinball related with friends and yeah. Yeah, nice. So that's, yeah, that's my two little regrets there. There could be some more. There was Rick and Morty which I wish I messaged one minute before but we won't go on with that.
    98:53
    Yes, yeah we won't, that's a bit of a sore spot. Yes. Depending on which side of the fence you're talking. That's right, exactly. Yeah. So what else, are we going to keep chatting at all or? We can, I mean, you know, we're at the end with emails at Admin Rant so we can keep going and then just wrap it up after that I guess. Yeah, because we can use this one here for next month, you know, the next topics we've got. Yeah, we've got emails. No, we do not. Amazing. Complaints already? I haven't even put this on air. Complaints already? No. Let me just check. This is okay. Is that a Viagra one? No, it's not. And I'll be reading this live, so this is good. This is from Ronald Koselka. I hope I pronounced that right, Ron. Thanks for the email, mate. Appreciate it. Podcast feedback and future guest suggestions from Ronald Koselka. So thank you for the email, Ron. He writes, Hey guys, firstly congratulations on producing such an enjoyable podcast. I really appreciate the interesting mix of content and I especially wanted to mention the family friendly episode with Lyndon. Perhaps we do swear to me.
    99:59
    See, I'm not the only one that picks up on it. Lyndon provided a fascinating insight into what many of us would call the golden years of the amusement industry. It was refreshing to hear stories and experiences that most Pinball enthusiasts have probably never heard before. I'm sure he has plenty more stories to tell, so I'd love to hear him back for another interview, perhaps including an expo wrap-up and more behind-the-scenes memories. We actually reached out to Lyndon for an expo wrap-up. We didn't hear back from him, unfortunately, so hopefully we can do that maybe in future episodes. But, yeah, as that's obviously just wrapped up, we did want to see how it all went, but, yeah, didn't get back to us, unfortunately. Hey, just on the end of that, it looked like I read this morning that there's new dates for next year. They're going to go for a round two, the 8th of July to the 11th of July, which is awesome. Yeah, definitely. Great success. Which we discussed and we'll probably attend, aren't we, Jared?
    100:55
    Yeah, see how we go. There's a lot in the calendar now, I think, as Rob said at the start, to do, so we'll suss it out. And look, that's all great for the community and awesome. Yeah, agreed. Great to see it. Agreed. So, Ron continues with, I'd also like to suggest interviewing some true legends of the Australian amusement industry, such as Bruce Colbin, who's recently retired as owner of AMB and was headed salesman at LAI during the 80s. Another great guest would be Barry Bates, whose decades of experience as salesman, manager and later owner of Abel's Amusements would make for a fascinating interview. These are probably many other retired operators, technicians and industry veterans with incredible stories worth preserving. I was recently chatting with a fellow operator who shared some classic stories that reminded me just how entertaining these experiences can be. One involves selling a pinball machine to a chiropractor for home use, then giving the very same machine back 20 years later after the customer's children had grown up, effectively making two sales from the one machine. Another story involved an upright space invaders machine on location at a Blue Mountains hotel. The publican's 15-year-old son broke into the rear of the cabinet after hours to steal the cash, only to get his hand stuck in a sharp cash opening. The SES had to be called to free him and they couldn't understand why they kept receiving electrical shocks. Even though the machine was switched off, the capacitors still held charge. Stories like these are priceless. Definitely.
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    There were also the countless service calls where you'd arrive expecting a fault only to discover the cash tin was so full it could no longer accept 20 cent coins. These are the kinds of real life industry stories I'd love to hear more of on the podcast. Okay. Finally, a couple of constructive suggestions. The voice levels can be quite a bit between presenters making it difficult to listen while driving. One person can be quite loud while another is almost a whisper. Better audio balancing would make a big difference. Also, I encourage you to consider bleeping unnecessary F words. I think keeping the podcast more family friendly would broaden its appeal and attract an even larger following. Thanks again for producing such a great show. I look forward to many episodes. Kind regards, Ronald Kay. Thank you, Ron. Great feedback. Ron, thank you, mate. Appreciate it. Yeah, the levels can be a bit tricky sometimes because obviously Matt, with all your respect, is quite a big booming voice. I'm a bit softer. Sometimes we can speak at different distances between the mics. I put this audio through Reaper, which is one of the many software programs out there, I'm sure. I do try and listen back to it after I've finished the editing phase and everything like that. I do try and get the sound waves to a similar height so that we do sound similar. I'll definitely spend more time analysing that and trying to get better at that. So I do appreciate that. The F-bombs, I don't know. I just feel like that's something of the industry, of guys chatting. And yeah, it's just, it's a natural discussion. We've had that feedback once before. I feel like we do a lot, lot, lot better now than what we used to. Maybe not this episode. This episode's been a little bit up and down. Ron, if you are listening again, which you are obviously, appreciate it. I probably wouldn't listen to the next one because we're taking our mics to Taz Pinnball. And I think we're going to have a little roundtable discussion where I'm sure the boys through the day will be drinking. And I can guarantee there'll be plenty of F-bombs. That may be an episode worth bleeping, but I don't know if I've got the time and patience to do that, much editing.
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    But look, we definitely take it under consideration. As I said, I think personally we get a lot, lot better. I don't notice it. I'd be interested for anybody else, please write in and let us know if it's sort of a costing there is a little bit too much than normal. I used to sit there doing the little counting.
    105:05
    Yeah, that was ages ago. I think we just sort of stopped almost half a dozen into the episode and made a real conscious effort to get better at it. We'll try and get even better for you, Rob. Apologies. So thanks for the feedback. Do appreciate it, mate. Do appreciate it. And anybody else, please write in. Let me know what anybody else is thinking. Happy to have a chat about everything and anything and obviously always appreciate our followers and our listeners. So we don't take it with a grain of salt. I certainly put my sort of heart and soul into all of this doing the editing. And, you know, as I said, I've just gone out and spent, you know, $300, $400 again on equipment and, you know, cases and, you know, SD cards and all that sort of stuff. And happy to put time and effort into getting that type of feedback so that I can get better at it. You know, plan on doing this for a long time. Yep, for sure. Following on, Ron, send me a follow-up email, mate. I'd love to hear you, how you're in the industry because clearly you've either made contacts or you know people and maybe we can get you on as well. Yeah, send us a follow-up. I'd love to hear your background story, mate, and maybe you can be first cab off the rank. The only admin rant that I had, it's not really a rant, but it is just the scammers seem to be back up and running. Yes, 100%. And they're all sponsored ads too. Yeah, yeah. So shout out to Adam Webster for posting up his post for, it was an American-based guy and he started his own Facebook page with 18,000 members already. And it only started, yeah, yeah, yeah. It only started maybe at the start of the year. February was created or something stupid like that. And he's obviously just made all these bot accounts and got 18,000 members. And he's doing the rounds quite aggressively throughout America and Australia. So guys, just watch out for scams because they are still about. So Jared, with that and I guess the advancing AI technology and everything else going on there and obviously accounts that can all spontaneously come out with 18,000 followers. I guess where do we see this going in the future and do you think it's going to be a hell of a nightmare for us to manage going forward? For us in general. It's only a reminder just to question everything. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, but for everything we do, we vet all the camps though. And it's pretty simple as well. If you don't answer two key things, it's just instant denial, even if you've been invited to the page by someone who's on the page as well. I think as well for me though, Rob, and I think this can go to any hobby and any industry and any job, is you've got a gut feel. Yep. Like as much as, you know, these are just faces and profiles on a page that I'm clicking into to look at, if it doesn't feel right. Or if it's too good to be true. Or if it's too, like, you know, do you know what I mean? Like, and I'm still a youngin' in the hobby. Like, I've only been doing this for, you know, 15, 20-something years. A youngin', yeah, sure. You know nothing. There's plenty more people with plenty more experience. And they're all grumpy bastards. So, you know, you tend to get a feel for that sort of thing when you're looking at it. I mean, as I said, I started this page, I think it was 2011 now. So, you know, it's been going... It's gone up in 2015, but... Whatever it was, I mean, it's 10 plus years old. So, you know, I've got a bit of a feel for, you know, the profiles that come on and the people that come on. And, you know, once they start interacting, you know, you just kind of watch the page a little bit and people keep popping up and you notice them. So I think that's very much what I go through when accepting people. But it'll make it a bit tricky, I guess, with AI and all that sort of stuff, without a doubt. But it's also, as you said, gut feelings. And no wonder why there are people who are blocked on their page and they do shitty things to other people. Yep. When you know you've got a safe buying and selling page. Yep. And that's what we provide as well. We've provided a safe buying and selling page. I don't think we've had any problems in the last five plus years. No. I don't know if any issues of people doing wrongdoing on the page. Yeah. I'm warning you how people have actually joined over the years who come on the page going, oh, I've been scammed or I think I've been scammed. Can anyone confirm this? And it's like, well, you come to this page a bit too late. You should have been here first and then come here to have a chat with us. Yeah. So, yeah. It'd be interesting. It's a safe market we have. Just with that, do you guys have any stories? Maybe you can feature podcasts. Have you actually saved anybody from being scammed? So I know I have a couple of times. I've been talking quite a few times, haven't we, just in general, people asking questions and us looking into them. Yeah, people generally just private messages and, you know, oh, look, I haven't seen this guy on the page. I put up a wanted ad. You know, is he legitimate? We can look at how long he's been on the page for and... See if they've ever commented or any type of... Yeah, and give that sort of feedback. And then, you know, as I said, you know, the industry knowledge that you have over the years is like, okay, well, what's he said? You know, this is what you can do. You can get a FaceTime video going, you know, speak to them. If they're local, get someone local to go around and visit them and that sort of stuff. So you can, you know, narrow it down for people to avoid that from happening.
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    But you've had some... Yeah, absolutely. We had one, I don't know if you remember, a bunch of years ago, there was Led Zeppelin LEs that was stolen out of the back of the truck that had been transported to Melbourne. And one of my mates, I won't say who he was, but down in Melbourne, he reached out and he said, oh, there was this ad that came on at like 2 in the morning or something blah, blah, blah for L.E. and Led Zeppelin. And he goes, oh, and they're only charging blah. It was a ridiculous prop. And I said, oh, mate, because I saw it about 7 o'clock in the morning. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold your guns. I said, can you get the L.E. number? And I went back to the post and it was one of the numbers on there. And we went, oh, dude, don't buy it, but, you know, string them along, get some details. And we ended up being able to get on to Zacks in Melbourne and they were able to sort of get on to police. And luckily enough, they were actually able to secure the machine back again.
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    But, you know, saved him, I think it was $12,000, I think it was going to be sold for. And back then, that was a good price for an Ellie. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, you just don't know. Like it's a legit machine, but it was stolen. And if you don't know, ask if the price sounds too good to be true. Yeah, great. Well, I'm pretty sure that two got recovered and one's still floating around. Oh, good. Yeah, I think there was about five on the list or more. I thought it was three. No, there was four or five. Yeah, there was four or five of them. Okay, is there any more? No, that's it. That's it. I guess it's the time to say thank yous. So if anyone wants to send some more feedback or any emails, it's at pinballuswhite at hotmail.com. So shoot us an email. And thank you to our listeners and everyone who's supporting us and following. So keep liking, subscribing and sharing. Agreed. Yeah, keep us going, keep us motivated. Yep. So Rob, thank you very much for being on here, mate. Much appreciated to sit here and spend over two hours on the phone talking to us. It's been good. Yeah, no, thanks guys. I've loved it. It's been great. I really enjoyed it. It's been really good. And Jaron? And pinfest.com.au. Yes, that's exactly right. 100%. Get your tickets, guys. Yeah, definitely get your tickets. And Jaren, awesome talking to you as well. Always, buddy. Thank you, sir. So thank you very much for having me on. Thanks, Rob. Thanks, guys.
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    Thank you. Thank you, mate.