Hopefully, eventually. Or we'll have Roller Coaster Tycoon 2.0. Those are really the only two options. That's all right. I'm kind of surprised that announcement hasn't been made yet. I expected it before the end of the summer with Hobbit coming out. I expected them to have announced that Maid said something about the new pen. I think they're just behind. All the games have been behind. That's no secret. I think they're really waiting for Expo, and we're going to see something at Expo. Yeah, I think it makes sense. But, you know, if they're still committed to getting it announced this year, I think that's when it would most likely be. but I don't really hold JJP to any sort of time frame expectations at this point. No, I don't know. Even if Stern is running out of parts or having issues, it's like if everybody's feeling this crunch. Oh, ghosting. Yes, ghosting. Well, yeah, that's another issue. But I'd heard that coil stops were a big issue. The world was out of coil stops. Somehow you could still buy them from Pinball Life and whatnot, but none of the manufacturers could get coil stops. I don't know what the deal was. I don't know they made them all wrong they're wrong size they're all got the wrong metal or something they're all snap let's go ahead and move on to our first we'll call it real topic within pinball which Tony I know you put this one in for discussion it was some more information about the Pabst can crusher they announced it is for sale on Pabst's website we'll have a link to it but the big thing is the price is just, I'd call the price about $1,400 higher than I expected. So it's not a minor difference. What were you expecting? I was expecting between $5,000 and $5,500. Okay, so sort of in the neighborhood of pro pricing. Yeah, and it's currently on sale. At least the last time I checked, they wanted $6,399 for it with a regular price of $6,995. And it's like, wow, that's much higher than I expected. Yeah, I guess, you know, thinking about it, thinking about what I'm assuming is a shallower rule set than their normal lineup, than the true CERN's lack of dots, so no animation was needed. I do, personally, I do find it to be too expensive for a glorified EM. But, you know, it is a boutique item, obviously, since they're only selling it through Pabst. And from what I can gather, and this, you know, shout out to the Pinheads Pinball Podcast, which spent a lot of time going over this. It sounds like originally Pabst was pushing to do this really unique idea where they were only going to have 50 pins built, and they were going to put one in each state at a Pabst-supporting bar. And that apparently got scrapped, and instead this concept has come about instead. But I'm getting more of this sort of vibe that they want these for promotional reasons, but if you're a real big Pabst fan, they've gone ahead and created an outlet for you to be able to go and buy them. That doesn't sound like they're stockpiling them either because that link indicates that there's a big lag on the order time, you know, like the six to eight weeks for delivery. So I'm assuming they'll just take the money and then they'll tell Stern how many they need on some periodic basis and get those run up off the line, assuming the coil stops are okay, of course. Yeah, it sounds like they're doing them in batches, possibly small batches. That price is pretty crazy. The price on Lonelli is pretty crazy. They already had the art, the layout. Everything was already done when they received the project, so there was no cook time, you know? Yeah, it's the Shrekification syndrome. I guess. And Pabst doesn't come with the crate either, which seems like that would be a big, unique item. Like, it won't only have the crate you could sit the game on, as well as legs. This doesn't have the crate. It's still the same price. It doesn't have the unique cans that you crush to level it. The system was already there. It's using Spike, so it's not like it's a trial game. I think this type of game at $3,500 would be a home run, but Stern is, they're not leaving any money on the table. They're starting as high as they can, and they're trying to raise the bar of the whole industry to match the secondary market. But the secondary market is going to cool as every game costs a fortune now. Yeah. So it's not like there's the 10 hit games from the 90s that everybody's kind of saving their money for because everyone wants. Now that pool is much, much bigger than it was five years ago. But Stern still isn't on board with that. So they're cool with not selling that many. I don't think it's going to be a big seller at that price point. At $3,500, I would be tempted to get one because I like Wonelli. I like the layout. I love Dirty Donnie art. I like this theme. I'm not a PBR guy, but I'm cool with it. And Red Fang, that's cool. It's just a cool pinball theme. Yeah, I think it works on a lot of levels, and I would be more inclined to have something like this than Wonelli itself. I hope I think the art package is better. But, you know, at this sort of pricing, it's like, no, there's just no way I could ever really consider it. Actually, when we were at that Hobbit launch party yesterday, we were in a discussion just before we left about, you know, the whole pinball bubble and the price of everything going up. And, you know, I remember I started Game Machines in 2012 and just how much different it is now, where even lesser desired titles like when I got my Jurassic Park, I probably could have spent $700 less had I bought it in 2012 than when I bought it this year. And, yeah, I think, you know, I'm seeing a lot of stuff sit now, sit on Craigslist, sit on Pinside a bit. It seems like they're sitting longer than I used to notice. And so my guess will be, I don't know if the bubble's going to burst in the sense that prices are going to collapse, but I do think that they're going to quit going up on these old games. Because as all this volume of new stuff keeps coming out, everyone's trying to sell it for basically the same amount that they paid new in box. It's like, oh, I stuck Cliffy's in, so give me my new in box price back. I just, you know, I don't think that's going to be tenable, and I would actually expect some of the newer stuff to slide a little bit more than we've been seeing, but maybe not. We'll have to see. Well, guys are filling up their game rooms, too, and they're not willing to sell games at a loss, sell games at early 2000s prices. So those games are sitting in their game rooms. They're not flipping games as often. So the turnover factor is gone. Yeah. Yeah. And there's, there are a lot less that I, that I've been seeing. We on our Kansas city area, there's a Facebook thread and then, you know, they'll throw them up there and I'll see some people that will still be trying to ask for what I'm sure they probably paid for on some of these things, but it's just like, Oh, I'm sorry. That's a got leave. And there ain't no way I'm paying two grand for that. Oh, well for them. Oh, well for us. Okay. Well, speaking of Stern, the big rumors that have been going on for a long time is, or predictions, I should say, is what's Stern's next music pin going to be? And the biggish news that I've seen lately is that the rumor is now that it's Slayer. And this is based off of a couple of items. One was that Gary Stern posed for a photo at Comic-Con with one of the band members, which in and of itself I wouldn't read all that much into. In another instance, there was a Slayer concert, and someone took a picture of one of the sponsorship banners, and Stern Pinball was listed as a sponsor of the concert. So, I think that has naturally led to the discussion that Slayer would be the next music pin. So, I guess, what are your guys' thoughts about that? I personally had never, Slayer never entered my mind. Part of that is I just, I never listened to them. So, I just didn't, you know, I'm thinking, big bands, big bands, what would that be? Well, Aerosmith is a big band, Iron Maiden is a pretty big band, Slayer, you know, They're just not in my first breath of metal bands to speak about. But, you know, the evidence is seeming to point this way now. Yeah, I used to be under NDA with Stern, but I gave that up by my choice back in March when we were looking at Ghostbusters stuff. So I can say Slayer was not in the list of games I've heard, but I haven't heard anything in six months, and I don't seek it out. I think Slayer, if they did something like a re-theme, if they rethemed, you know, X game, whatever, Hyrule or Casino or Lord of the Rings into a Slayer game, they could maybe pick up some sales that way. Slayer doesn't have the history that an ACDC does or KISS. It doesn't have the audience. And I don't think it has a worldwide appeal. But for a small run, it's possible. Well, my thought are, I mean, some of the big bands they've listed makes a little bit more sense, But everybody's continuously still listing, you know, metal bands. And I'm wondering if we're going to start seeing a shift to something more as the grouping and the collector's age, where getting to where it's more like the alternative in the early 90s, early to mid 90s stuff is getting to be more, you know, worse what we grew up with. If we're going to start seeing a music pen shift to something more along those lines instead of just saying, I mean, because right now everything's been pretty much metal except for Elvis. So I can see a change coming, you know, a Nirvana pin or something from that era that could be interesting. I just, I don't know. It's Slayer's, it doesn't grab me like the thought of an Aerosmith pin did, but it's one of those things that it's like I guess I can see it through circumstantial evidence. It's just not something that, they wouldn't have been the first band I would have thought of. As far as the sponsorship on the banner, Jody Dankberg, who's a big wig at Stern, he comes from a metal promotion background. So it's possible he has ties in that industry still, and that's where some of that licensing crossover is coming from. He may be as a hookup where they can get some funding there or more exposure to that sponsorship. And having the metal pins, I think that audience is a good audience to be promoting pinball to. doesn't necessarily mean they're having a Slayer pin. Iron Maiden's kicked around forever. It's hard to think of bands in the 90s that are iconic yet. Something like a Rolling Stones, a Kiss, they have 40, 50 years of still being relevant pop culture-wise, even if their albums aren't. Slayer, I would say Slayer is still relevant in a pop culture aspect, but I don't think their albums have sold maybe ever, but definitely not the last 15 years. Yeah, it could just truly be promotional efforts. There could be people that attend a Slayer concert that they may think, you know, these guys could be susceptible to wanting to buy a Metallica pin or something like that. So we're just going to get our name out there and try and get more people into pinball that way. So, yeah, it could be all for naught, but it at least gave us something interesting to speculate about. Did you guys hear the Jimi Hendrix thing? Yeah, we did. So, yeah, Gary Stern's daughter kind of accidentally leaked that they were working on a Hendrix pin. We still haven't seen anything from that, and that's been almost a year since that happened. Yeah, because that was some of the original talk in one of our earliest episodes where we talked about that and Aerosmith and Iron Maiden because those were all the things that had been talked about and rumored and this and that. And it could just be completely that the next thing on the list isn't another music pin. I mean, there's nothing saying there has to be continuous music pins. they're coming out with KISS having just come out. So it could be just a big break here with several non-music pens. Yeah, KISS is just over a year, and that was two years separated from Metallica. But I would say Red Fang being a part of PBR. PBR to me is kind of a metal license, music-type license. Then Red Fang fits into it pretty well. I do love the artwork on that machine. I don't know if Stern's considering the Can Crusher, though, as part of its official lineup, or that's more of a, like the Domino's thing, where that, you know, Spooky says, well, we've designed and are doing Domino's, but don't think of Domino's as a spooky pen. It's a contract job. Yeah. As late as Ghostbusters has been, both with the announcement and actually getting them out the door, they might just be down to two pens this year. We might just wait until October to see whatever it is, and who knows what the rumor will be in October. I will say the game that I had heard was next has been rumored, but it is not the strongest rumor right now. So I don't know if they shuffled the lineup. When I was in the know, they did shuffle the lineup, and they definitely shuffled the dates. Every game that I had heard about was delayed. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, the only other non-music rumor that I've heard, which is so obvious that it's not surprising that people would talk about it, would be Star Wars. But, you know, then everyone starts speculating about how long do they wait to incorporate. Like with Star Trek pin, for example, the desire to incorporate more than one movie. Same with Iron Man. Get more than one movie into your modes and stuff. Expect to at least be close to the second movie, major movies released before you'd see anything. They almost always wait until the sequel of a film like Iron Man and Dark Knight and whatnot and Spider But I wouldn be surprised if we saw more than one Star Wars pin from this new series Yeah between the new series and the new Star Wars stories movies coming out there's going to give so much fodder that can be used. Yeah, we might see one from the new trilogy. We might see two from the new trilogy. We might see a Legacy pin where, oh, 40 years of Star Trek's coming up, or Star Wars, rather. Yeah, I could see that. Can we get a Donnie Yen-themed pen just because it's Donnie Yen and he's awesome? Yeah.