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WAP hosts discuss Stern's vault strategy and the ethics of pinball media coverage.
Stern is vaulting six titles effective end of 2024: Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Star Wars, Avengers, Elvira, and Foo Fighters, with a minimum two-year vault period.
high confidence · Cengiz and Don quote official Stern policy and discuss each title in detail.
Deadpool's popularity surge occurred during COVID when the game couldn't be purchased despite initial poor reception in 2018.
medium confidence · Don speculates on market dynamics; not directly attributed to Stern.
Foo Fighters was released at the apex of COVID buying before markets softened; high initial production volume resulted.
medium confidence · Don's analysis of market timing and purchasing behavior.
Avengers killed the Turtles hype when both launched within three weeks of each other.
medium confidence · Don discusses launch timing dynamics.
Jack Danger designed Foo Fighters with a flow and layout that feels like a collaboration between Jack Danger and Keith Elwin.
high confidence · Cengiz praises the design; both hosts confirm layout quality.
Looney Tunes (SE) unboxing video directly led to multiple viewer purchases from Zach (CoinGiver distribution).
high confidence · Cengiz recounts specific viewer testimonials and follow-up messages.
We Are Pinball (WAP) was created only 2-3 weeks before this episode, with supporters including Velvet Steve ($100), Jeremy Ford ($50), Brian Coz, and Brad Kay.
high confidence · Cengiz and Don discuss recent Patreon launch and supporter names/amounts.
“If you're not enjoying this, then what are you doing? We're just, man, let's just enjoy it and have some fun.”
Retro Ralph @ early segment — Philosophy statement about community positivity and avoiding negativity in hobby spaces.
“You have to be honest. You cannot just say happy, happy, go, go, because if I don't like a pinball machine on the box, I'm honest. I tell it as it is.”
Cengiz @ late segment — Core principle on media responsibility and honest product evaluation, especially given $10k purchase decisions influenced by content.
“I'm stacking levels like pancakes over here, man. We'll go as high as you want.”
Cengiz (on Patreon tier escalation) @ mid segment — Reflects community enthusiasm and willingness to expand supporter benefits.
“When I think about it, when I dissect Keith Elwin shots on layout, including Joe's, I really feel like Avengers is his best shooting game.”
Cengiz @ Avengers discussion — High praise for layout design quality despite weak theme criticism.
“It's one of them Gomez games, if you're into that. It plays a lot like Bond, I think, where there's, like, one really good shot that I like.”
Deadpool (LE) @ Deadpool vault discussion — Concise gameplay comparison; implies Deadpool design philosophy similar to Bond.
“Star Wars still makes money like crazy [on location].”
Don @ Star Wars vault discussion — Operator perspective on commercial viability; explains why vaulting despite popularity is strategic.
“If you're trying to make money, pro is the way to go. But if you're just buying the game, it's going to be a financial sinkhole, and you just want to have the full features, that's why I go premium.”
Don @ Pro vs Premium discussion — Clear economic breakdown of operator vs. collector purchasing logic.
product_strategy: Stern implementing formal 'vault' system for older titles with minimum 2-year removal from production to create artificial scarcity and drive new game interest; positions as inventory management but functions as FOMO marketing.
high · Stern official statement quoted: 'Vaulted titles are removed from active production. Titles put into the vault will remain in the vault for a minimum of two years, and many will never return.'
market_signal: Hosts note abundance of previously vaulted games (Deadpool, Star Wars, Iron Maiden, Foo Fighters) available on secondary market at depressed prices, reducing demand for new production runs.
high · Don: 'Deadpool is back from 2018... right now we're about to hit 2025. I think on the secondary market, a lot of Deadpools are out there.' Cengiz on Avengers: 'Avengers are very cheap out there.'
gameplay_signal: Foo Fighters praised for innovative cross-field shots and circular wire forms; noted as superior to similar games (Deadpool) due to flow and complexity; represents Jack Danger design philosophy.
high · Cengiz: 'When I played it, I was like, whoa this is if jack danger and keith elvin had a child together it was just wow i loved it from ball one.' Discussion of wire forms and shot flow superiority.
community_signal: WAP Patreon launched 2-3 weeks prior to episode with rapid supporter growth (Velvet Steve $100, Jeremy Ford $50, Brian Coz, Brad Kay); supporters adding custom mod tier and escalating benefits.
high · Don and Cengiz discuss Patreon creation timeline, multiple supporter names/amounts, and Velvet Steve's request to create $100 Executive Producer tier with custom pinball mods.
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content_signal: Cengiz's YouTube unboxing content (Looney Tunes, Jurassic Park multi-version) drives measurable viewer purchases from CoinGiver distribution; viewers continue sending game room photos months/weeks after purchase attributing decisions to video.
high · Cengiz: 'He writes to me, dude, because of your video, I just ordered one from Zach... to this day, I'm still getting pictures of game rooms and they're like, Cengiz, this is because of your video, man.'
design_philosophy: Cengiz and Don emphasize responsibility of media creators to provide honest assessments rather than hype, given influence on $10k+ purchase decisions; refusal to recommend games they don't personally endorse.
high · Cengiz: 'You have to be honest. You cannot just say happy, happy, go, go, because if I don't like a pinball machine on the box, I'm honest... then do a better job. I'm just honest.'
product_concern: Avengers cited as example of 'weak theme on a great layout' due to unclear game code/rules; players report not understanding game mechanics despite playfield appeal.
high · Don: 'Avengers killed the Turtles hype ASAP... People to this day still doesn't get the code of that game. I have no idea.' Cengiz: 'Weak theme on a great layout.'
operational_signal: Clear economic split between operator (Pro tier minimizes cost, maximizes revenue) and collector (Premium tier maximizes features/playfield despite financial loss); impacts purchasing strategy by buyer type.
high · Don: 'If you're trying to make money, pro is the way to go. But if you're just buying the game, it's going to be a financial sinkhole, and you just want to have the full features, that's why I go premium.'
business_signal: Stern Foo Fighters released at apex of COVID purchasing frenzy (2023) with aggressive production; market softening post-COVID reduced new-in-box demand, making vault strategy timely.
medium · Don: 'It's a good game. Yeah, definitely a game that came out right at that apex of the COVID, right before markets started to soften and everybody wasn't just buying everything anymore. So a ton of these got bought.'
competitive_signal: Keith Elwin's first vaulted game (Iron Maiden) still perceived as quality despite vault; Jack Danger's Foo Fighters design praised as innovative; designer reputation appears independent of vault status.
medium · Cengiz: 'This one getting vaulted, I'm pretty sure that they will open this one up and build some in a few years from now.' Discussion of both designers' reputations remaining strong.
venue_signal: Star Wars remains commercially viable on location/route despite vaulting; suggests vault strategy does not reflect commercial failure but rather market saturation and operator inventory management.
high · Don: 'And I can say on location, Star Wars still makes money like crazy.'
personnel_signal: Jack Danger actively monitors community discussion and content creator feedback; engaged with Cengiz's X-Men review comments regarding Beavis and Butt-Head design speculation.
high · Cengiz: 'And jack danger he popped up there you know taking notes and I was like dude yeah i hope i hope you will make this it could be awesome'