SDTM Episode 89: This Month In Pinball (Willy Wonka & Black Knight Pinball Edition)

Straight Down the Middle·video·59m 20s·analyzed·Apr 29, 2019

Analysis

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TL;DR

SDTM S3E1: Shane Black Knight review, Willy Wonka analysis, listener stories, industry updates.

Summary

Straight Down the Middle Season 3 premiere featuring hosts Zach Sharp and Greg Bone recapping recent pinball releases and industry news. The episode covers Shane Black Knight (Stern), Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (Jersey Jack Pinball), Pin Stadium Lights giveaway results, and a heartfelt listener testimonial about pinball's positive impact. Discussion includes design philosophy differences between manufacturers, code quality improvements over time, and Jersey Jack's pricing strategy adjustment for Willy Wonka standard edition.

Key Claims

Shane Black Knight Pro and Premium Edition feel like two different games due to upper playfield and different shot layouts
high confidence · Greg Bone describes significant mechanical differences between editions after playing both
Everyone who has played Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory walks away amazed despite initial visual impressions
medium confidence · Greg Bone states 'every single person that I know or have talked to that has played that game walks away feeling amazed'
Jersey Jack Pinball reduced Willy Wonka standard edition price by $1,000 and removed the Wonkavator
high confidence · Discussion about standard edition pricing change and feature removal from original specs
Batman 66 and Guardians of the Galaxy have become exceptional games through post-release code improvements
medium confidence · Greg Bone notes code improvements made these games great despite rough launches
Iron Maiden pinball music converted Greg Bone into an Iron Maiden fan who now seeks out concerts
medium confidence · Hosts discuss how pinball soundtracks have influenced their music tastes

Notable Quotes

“my wife Stephanie was diagnosed with cancer in November of 2016... I credit Greg and Zach Sharp talking pinball as a distraction that I needed to stay positive and to keep going”
John Craig Young (listener testimonial)@ 5:17 — Demonstrates pinball community's positive mental health and emotional support impact
“it's not just it's nice for us too because whenever people meet us and start talking to us they might be the most socially awkward person ever but they feel like they know us enough we have a relationship already”
Zach Sharp@ 7:41 — Highlights how media personalities bridge social anxiety in the pinball community
“every single person that I know or have talked to that has played that game walks away feeling amazed”
Greg Bone (about Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory)@ 23:34 — Reframes initial visual design criticism with actual play experience data
“it's so Sam... it's packed full of shots it's not an empty game it's not a game that is lacking”
Greg Bone (defending Willy Wonka design)@ 23:21 — Defends Jersey Jack's minimalist aesthetic philosophy against Stern toy-heavy comparison
“I think that's honestly what was in a lot of people's heads... they look at the game and they go Willy Wonka this is stripped down”
Greg Bone@ 22:31 — Explains expectation gap between players' mental models and actual game design

Entities

Straight Down the MiddleorganizationZach SharppersonGreg Boneperson Pin Stadium Lightsproduct Marco SpecialtiescompanyShane Black KnightgameTim Sextonperson Steve RitchiepersonWilly Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

Signals

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code_update: Historical pattern of Stern games improving significantly through post-launch code updates (Batman 66, Guardians, Deadpool cited)
medium · Greg notes Batman 66 and Guardians became 'one of the greatest freakin pinball machines' after code development, contrasting rough launches
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community_signal: Pinball media serves critical mental health and social connection function for community members dealing with life challenges
high · John Craig Young testimonial about using SDTM as distraction/coping mechanism during wife's cancer treatment and family crisis
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sentiment_shift: Player expectations for Willy Wonka misaligned with actual game due to visual design, but hands-on play creates universally positive reception
high · Greg's analysis of expectation gap: 'every single person that I know... that has played that game walks away feeling amazed' despite initial visual skepticism
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competitive_signal: Jersey Jack differentiation through design philosophy (shot-focused) rather than mechanical complexity compared to Stern
medium · Discussion of how Willy Wonka lacks physical toys like Alice but compensates with 'packed full of shots' and 'flipper shoot' gameplay
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design_philosophy: Jersey Jack Pinball pursuing minimalist aesthetic with shot-focused layout vs Stern's toy-heavy mechanical design approach
high · Extended comparison of Willy Wonka's sparse playfield toys vs Stern games like Alice with sculptures; discussion of playfield density differences

Topics

Shane Black Knight review and impressionsprimaryWilly Wonka & The Chocolate Factory design philosophy and player receptionprimaryPinball community's social and mental health benefitsprimaryJersey Jack vs Stern design philosophies (toy-heavy vs shot-focused)secondaryCode quality improvements and post-launch game developmentsecondaryPricing strategy and trim level changes in modern pinballsecondaryMedia personality's role in pinball community engagementmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Generally enthusiastic about new releases and community connections, though some critical assessment of game design choices. Hosts balance constructive criticism with appreciation for manufacturer efforts. Strong positive sentiment around listener testimonials and community impact.

Transcript

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do and what we're gonna do first we're gonna do some housekeeping before we get into this month and pinball yes tell the people what this month and pinball is so that they at least know what's coming it's a show recapping the most popular and atrocious events of the pinball a couple months ago we did a pin stadium giveaway remember we gave away a pen stadium light set as well as the Orion's belt yes and they had to submit the they had to submit a dark game for pen stadiums and they had to submit a customer appreciation picture of pin stadiums without the Orion's belt we wanted flooded yeah we had some winners we randomly drew let's see who will see who won here open straight to the winner of the pen stadium set was Chris Rivera nicely done Chris so he had a has a medieval madness that he wants to lighten up and I will say they do look fantastic on medieval man I've seen on a remake and it still looked fantastic so Chris Rivera reach out to us you won yourself a set of Penn State graduation Orion's belt I could have done Houdini voices I know they got the head-to-head guy to do it Australians right American pinball right keep it in America reach out to the Aussies hey maybe someday Gregg Bowman actually be a voiceover my game all right so for the Orion's belt I'm the voice here it's not you is it no I don't want to be the voice you know I like being in the shadows for the Orion's belt we've got the winner with a already pin stadiums on their South Park it look good um pepper Ann hello pepper pepper Ann she sounds like a character off the clue game pepper Ann killed pepper ray so pepper pepper Ann and reach out to us do you want yourself some Penn Stadium Orion's alright other things PinStadium Lights has some new stuff coming up coming soon we got like the sweetest nicest tear-jerking tear-jerking turn ya tear displacing tear emitting tear emitting email from a man named Craig Allen or not Craig yelling Craig young and it's Brian Allen Craig young your kids are screaming right now they're fighting okay so Craig young reached out to us back in back in February and we wanted to share this with you because I cried like a little schoolgirl reading it I don't know so this is essentially why we do the show this is why we're rolling into season three well but you know what it's not necessarily why we do it but it is a byproduct of us doing it I feel making people's lives more interesting yeah and and there's read the story forgotten he says he said a little bit to open up at the email reads I've been a fan of SDTM since your first episode and the show has special significance to me he said my wife Stephanie was diagnosed with cancer in November of 2016 her second round with the disease two years and three surgeries later she was finally confirmed cancer-free last month it was a very rough time for us that included my father passing away and watching our only child leave for college there were many moments where I was at my lowest and I credit Greg and Zach talking pinball as a distraction that I needed to stay positive and to keep going I must have rewatched every episode at least three times Stephanie and I came away from the experience vowing to enjoy life more and to do things we always seemed to ever have time or money to do and then he goes and talking about buying his first new box which is fantastic and yeah that kind of stuff Wow holy crap well and you know like it is it's something that honestly we both have ran into a ton of people who have talked to us about scenarios like that you know this is one of them yeah you know I it's not necessarily that it's us it's it's pinball it's a community industry yes it's Alice it's the Hobby yeah art it gives people a way to take their mind and alleviate off the pain and the distractions and the hardships of life and the world will give you yeah everybody's gonna get it and you know I think that inherently a lot of us you know I've met a guy back at Chicago Expo and I was down like 6:30 in the morning 7 o'clock having a cup of coffee and started chatting with this gentleman and I've actually talked to him quite a few times since at some other shows you know and he kind of expressed to me you notice that when I was like do you guys come down here have some coffee play and everything I think yeah he was like you know he's like I don't I don't talk to people either he's like I just don't like it I'm kind of a recluse he goes but you know I enjoy talking to people at these shows in these events yeah and I told her I said I swear to you I said 100% of the same way I said I think that so many people in pinball have that that social anxiety and have that disconnect yeah that that no matter who you are like we've all kind of found in a weird way a home and a place that we belong club a club group is amylin yeah cuz I still don't like to talk to people but I will have pinball people over and I will talk to somebody yeah not just about pinball like I just thoroughly enjoy the people in the Hobby for some reason and I think that that that this hobby and people like us and in the media and other streamers and podcasters everything I think that they do that same thing for people yeah you know I think it pulls them out it gives them a sense of belonging and I think we all feel that and that's why that like I stress yeah but that's my stress the community thing you know yeah like it's not just it's nice for us too because whenever people meet us and so talking to us they might be the most socially awkward person ever yeah they don't talk to anybody but they feel like they know us enough yeah we have a relationship already yep so they've already warmed up to us so it's nice to be able talk and we actually met Craig though we met them in Texas and it was a really heartwarming moment cuz they were enthusiastic to talk to us and everything and it was him and his daughter and it was absolutely fancy that's our all moment thank you thank you out there for all the fans that for all you recluses that's right come under your rock ha ha how about Monday rocks happier things we had to get that all the way how do you know it's gonna be happier let's talk about we've had a couple new releases in the pinball industry since we've seen these people list have we and have you guys put in your orders yet we've got Black Knight that has come out by Stern pinball a pro a premium and le just like Stern always does this Black Knight you know what the UH what the title is Black Knight we'll see if those tests all the rage okay little Irish it's a sort of rage Black Knight designed by Steve rid evil Steve Ritchie right yeah super quick game Tim Sexton was on coke brutal who's on art I don't know this guy bringer we shouldn't save everything nobody's name we know it's like this design by this code by half this guy so if you haven't played this you know as well we can't review it okay you haven't played it yet I've played the pro and the premium they were first shown to be played at Midwest gaming classic in Wisconsin yeah in Milwaukie cheesehead serie Green Bay oh there goes her listener base in Wisconsin sorry shout-out to a kingpin Chris the minier family so what'd you think after seeing this you saw the trailer that they they threw out there you saw the dead flip stream you know I think that there's without getting too deep into it just because of us reviewing we go deep into and I haven't played it yet but you know III I feel pretty good about the people that I've talked to including you okay for a consensus of it being like a good pen bad penny yeah yeah but I'll give my first brief first impressions is that it looked fast brutal as [ __ ] it's not for everyone it doesn't belong in a small collection but it does have its place because of the speed and everything it's fun as hell hmm nice to know it is a summary Oh God look who is it a bill collector look is that what you always do he's probably knocking up at the door good bone outstanding debt so I've played the pro and the premium both are really fun yeah they are ass kickers the pros an ass kicker I didn't know whether I was going to accept the pro honestly because black knights are known for having upper playfields the pro didn't have an upper play field yes and what have you heard of have you heard anything about that we've got people I've heard that the upper play field is and yet it was actually just not like it was kind of a waste then it was not a Black Knight ESCA play field it was kind of thrown in there as an upper play field and it really serves not much of a purpose and there's not much up there to do like you feel Black Knight should have you log balls mom can too so on the Black Knight upper play field you lock three balls I don't know how that works kinda like Total Recall man version the fro is lightning fast I've been saying in the public that Stern's like talking to the public it's you big man well you know I do have a podcast I think that the if Stern feels like they've made to pinball machines here a pro starting feels that where you feel that I feel like Stern has made to pinball machine okay okay thank you for the correction do they made a pro and they made a premium male lead they are different because of the upper play field but nonetheless it does feel like two different games to me are you [ __ ] me I promise you yeah alright yeah I got a [ __ ] word for you yeah because the like the bottom third maybe is similar on the pro in the premium area but everything back behind it is different really yeah you've got two spinners on the pro where you only have one spinner I like a listers or with even more different than Ghostbusters I say even more different Jack is on the prowl you're left orbit you're hitting up onto your wire form whereas on the premium le the left is a drop target instead of a spinner and it pops it up onto the play field hmm that feels different yeah all right loop feels about the same but the whole upper play feels like another little game you've got a loop up there you've got locking balls up there mm-hmm all right it feels different to me plus you have a hold another strategy if you have a multiball on the premium le up top you don't have it on the pro so you're saying what are the rules different it does feel black night ish I think so I think it feels like 2019 black night but I don't know if you need that upper play field like the pros fine bros fun really it's really fun it's really funny know how he feels about the pros I know man and like you know what it feels like the bottom half feels like Game of Thrones to me it's very in-your-face they're stand-ups I mean it's one to kick your ass like a Steve Ritchie game but the upper playfield kind of gives you something else to do I think this is the case where if you've got the money it definitely makes sense to upgrade to that for play field but you don't you know yeah if you don't the pro is saying tell that about every stir yeah well that now the code I have to give credit to the code team and Tim sex and the codes are really fun it's a mode based game but you have multi balls the creatures the animations and black night animations are pretty cool they are fantastic just all might degrade the sound the sound on black night sort of rage yeah that's what Black Knights are known for music renditions are known for the call-outs of the Black Knight yelling at you to take your quarter was a guitarist from anthrax yeah but then I get old it hasn't yet that's solid for you swishes because I will you were like cool with that but now I haven't owned as long as I own the Iron Maiden yeah Iron Maiden girls aren't made for life I didn't like the music department this I really like that I like the Black Knight song yeah like that I like that I do have to say one thing though so you know you know one you're gonna be quiet for the rest of the episode no it's just I have to say now so that we brought up you hate high and made judgment so I was just never a big Iron Maiden thing okay but literally like I listen to Iron Maiden now and like I've looked at tour dates like I will go to an Iron Maiden concert now so kudos to Iron Maiden for selling that light is that with Metallica yeah because now like I'm kind of an Iron Maiden fan where I seek out the music now so at least you've sold one concert ticket by doing that so you're not gonna great little iron maiden up the irons right yeah you can buy t-shirt commemorative every concert ever been to juvie in the blowfish I would go I would go let's go ahead let's go ahead out with a hang head back back hit us up we want to see you guys including it will bring a pinball machine alright what damn straight we'll bring a pinball machine so the the sound there's not really it's checking all the boxes for me I don't know code-wise cuz I did get to the if it's gonna be deep enough I got to the Black Knight already yeah and I don't know I mean but at this point honestly but it's hard to get there I think that like I don't want to say this but it's just like common like you're sort of like I think they're from while you were just like especially Robin Batman 66 days you were just like oh [ __ ] snake you know code it's not I think it's sort of like a donald trump type thing like you've solar full you sort of come to accept certain things now that have become normal that that wasn't normal a few years ago trying to increase subscribers here but it wasn't anything bad i just talked the normalcy of things happening I think when my friend Greg's trying to say is that when ever get better it will get better because this is the sick is that what you're saying about Donald Trump I don't know if it's gonna get better I don't but like and this is the really weird thing this is why that I don't I don't harp Stern so bad anymore it's because Batman and you'll disagree with this okay okay but Batman 66 has become one of the one of the greatest freakin pinball machines it is a code yeah it's solid as hell same thing with guardians honestly our guardians it's not hailed it's like oh one of the greatest but it's a fantastic freaking game apples and oranges there I think one of the reasons the Batman's the greatest cuz the code one of the reason guardians the greatest is layout yeah but code was [ __ ] when it came in okay terrible nobody wanted the game but but I'm saying though it's developed into a game honestly dead pulled the same thing dad you were in love with that I loved it yeah like I will not lie like I have gotten to the what uh the clone of mr. Sinha second mister and blow this son of a [ __ ] up mmm and I'm not tired of it like Star Wars I wasn't tired of it the first time I got to the Emperor but then like sathanas he doesn't have the premium oh yeah guardians is still fun to shoot in his heart but dude you just told him a dude I don't get tired of Deadpool I don't get tired of it I still love to shoot but it's not written I I had us and I won't call him out but I got a super good friend well he's not super good friend he's super good player that's a friend of mine and he was like dude Greg what are you like not really a friend at all it's not really friend all weird acquaintance on Facebook okay so he was like doing guardians or Deadpool and I was like so I said I said you know the Guardians it's got a little tighter shots it's a you know fairly deep rule set so I honestly think that you're gonna benefit more from guardians because you're a lot better player than what I am but like Deadpool to me is sort of what I feel Stern was going forward with monsters to me it's kind of like I feel it's a super approachable pinball machine I have no clue what you're even talking about right it keep going I have no clue I don't know what you're talking about you're talking about Deadpool being like monsters or monsters trying to be Deadpool yeah like you know I'm going to come out with something very 90s it was kind of simplified and one could walk up to and play okay I feel that Deadpool is that game no no Deadpool's got a lot of different depths yeah but it's it's you know that you need to shoot this flashes shot to battle straightforward and easy yeah and then you're lit socks you're just shooting them to beat your people now there's other depth to it that you need to understand but all in all it's a fairly easy shooter and the codes easy to understand how did we get from Black Knight to Deadpool let's you know I don't really know I have no clue back on track another beer okay so that's black night sort of rage yeah go out to your favorite location and play it play it then we're gonna review it here soon let's move into the next things what's the next time it ends next what's the next we'll talk about Willy Wonka oh we're not gonna talk long about really want everybody here with me but I have not spoke my piece about the Willy Wonka okay so here's here's my take on Willy Wonka so we can get this out there we'll shut up about your deal the person that hasn't spoke I have not I have not not one of the elite they got ya in to do the hype so here here's so we got to address multiple this song is so much I'm really gonna get into this multiple angles to address real quick yes it's like two weeks ago no but it's gonna be quick and people are gonna people are gonna respect this we should call it two weeks ago in pinball this is go with Greg boom this people bring up old topics and put this back on your plate this is comments that will be respected oh so this is the thing if you get a bunch of people really not gonna [ __ ] out of the game there are are they're not knocking this [ __ ] is strong they're knocking the [ __ ] they're finding problem areas to counteract okay the positives that were talked about by those who play days so this is my initial thing okay I walked in let's go let's go back up a few months back to October with hope we went in and we saw Oktoberfest remember October October we went in we saw yeah I first laid eyes on Oktoberfest I said Wow Joe that is amazing I love this this is neat this is neat man so the thing that I think happened with that is like my expectations were so low Donaire because you didn't know what to expect going over there Oktoberfest nobody knew really what to expect but it was still my ranking at the barrel over there you got to physical ball locks large in the roller coaster the bartender that opens up it's just cool its unique it's very colorful which some people didn't like but I still was just like amazed by so that leads us into the critique I think in the problems that some people had with Willy Wonka I walked into jjp and I was not blown away oh I saw the game and I was just like okay really yeah it was it was I didn't know it yeah it was just like it there I mean you look at the Wizard of Oz and all the toys the sculptures and all the things the house and everything going on you do the same a special with Pirates man the [ __ ] that Eric put in car it's like you know any hobbits a little stripped down but something with the playfield and everything with it it's just gorgeous no wanna see you strip down but I'm just saying it's wide open okay it's wide open is it not it's not cramped yeah yeah I see some of those things is cramped okay okay but was gone but there was you still got a cool dragon the color scheme really filled everything in tiled in dialed in I think dialed in was jam-packed especially the Sun you know you got the chick moving and get the theater and I know you think you'll disagree with this but I felt that it was still a lot to look at you get little drones you got everything going on so then you come to Willy Wonka and a lot of everything is in the lighting scheme to me like I think that I visually thought about candy props everywhere sculpts candy props and toys necessarily toys and mechs that you would necessarily probably picturing the candy room even though the chocolate balls I just handed yes I I pictured all his hops growing yeah any room yes these came the boat Andy yes everything in the can I think that's honestly what was in a lot of people's heads oh so so so they look at the game and they go Willy Wonka this is strip downstairs okay JP JP what's wrong with this but here's the game changer is it done careful game changer yes is it it looks that way but it is pat pat active full of shots Pat packed it full of shots in a flipper shoot yes it's so Sam like it's an art it's you're yelling at these people i am i sorry oh and so it may lack what looks like physical toys and sculpt you know say something especially compared to something like Alice Cooper or something hmm but the shots are all there it's jam-packed full shots it's not an empty game it's not a game that is lacking Plus here is the really big thing is all the people who are seeing a negative stuff about that pen have not shot it hmm every single person that I know or have talked to that has played that game walks away feeling amazed that's a good point I haven't met anyone that has shot the game that thought yeah crap in almost every pin I meet something goes yeah you knows okay Greg Black Knight kind of happen I you know it was good I don't know if it's my taste I like it but yeah you know whatever Willy Wonka literally people walk away going that's fun mmm-hmm that is fun I heard a lot of that from him juicy yes a lot of them yes because it does it is a shoot it's a great shooting game as packed full of shots it's so you're saying it has the dialed in effect where people's all dialed in and they were like yes 100% everybody up inside was like I'll exam JP is going under and then when everybody's late it they were blown away by the only thing that like what what Wonka has going for it over dialed in is obviously a longing oh sorry no the thing that's it Downton is fantastic walk is fantastic it's hard but dialed in the reason it doesn't stay in a lot of people's elections you talk to him is the theme what I sound kind of goofy a waka sounds way better but walk us just generally we're like without art arts good which ones but arts good Oh easily Wonka this is my prom with Wonka is I think I love G by animation like I love Richard Pryor Gene Wilder together look I love Gene Wilder but gmod was creepy as [ __ ] a little Willy Wonka's kind of a creepy ass so all you like psychotic people who love that [ __ ] you're creeps me out low fat dare use and people like oh I don't know about those sounds of call us well that's just the creepy [ __ ] that goes on in that movie like halt so basically everything everything is better than dialed in is that what you're saying no down it's fantastic I said Aldens phantom understand I think that that that looks and it's not that it's an ugly game because the light show is fantastic I'm just saying I think a l'heure so accustomed to ap having like it looks like this super immersive world ER snack and I think that that that Wonka doesn't look like a super immersive world it is just a solid ass pinball machine assault you heard of here Greg bone says Wonka is a solid ass pinball machine do you not think so people know what I think about it Michele yeah I'm a UH the only reason I talk positively about games is sell them so probably true I've gotten Ellie on the way for myself you know whose porn don't sell games this guy yeah you look like a sad sack of poor [ __ ] let me tell you how would you get food stamps to get that one maybe double Morgan's to get that good won't is fantastic people I don't need to talk about it anymore people are gonna see people are gonna play people are gonna hear agree it's one of the Great's already yeah I think I can't wait for it me neither now hold up nope there's something else like that was it you've even talked about the good stuff you said it's cool well so she's really good how do you feel about standard being a thousand dollars cheaper than it was before hmm somewhat puts in my price puts it right in your ol wheelhouse Sarah a lot closer we got it competing with stern premiums not the conquer game accompany SC's that means us I'm just saying no it does yeah I think it's not I think it's a really good move for this is a good discussion as well jjp said that they were not going only aesthetics is what they were gonna do trim levels wise they've changed that standard edition took out a walk a Big Mac yeah are you okay with that yeah I am cuz the multivator is cool but it doesn't blow me away Mac may have has a fan of the film maybe it would blow me away more but it doesn't I can take it or leave it so definitely be fine save it a thousand bucks and leaving the long poppy $7,500 for a Jersey Jack pinball machine that is fully licensed I think it's not Lily Wong I'm so glad they did that but again like you know that Bayliss what's your favorite favorite part of that game favorite Little Neck or favorite little moment in that Willy Wonka game is it the Gobstopper takes a picture on the Walk of it now have an inch Wonka visit the wonkavator is it the magnets under the magnets there's two things and they're they're corny and stupid I love the diverter like with the magnet drop where it holds the ball for the left rear yes all the props Adolphe left that's pretty fantastic and then wherever whatever upper flipper it's gonna come out at it gives you a little pop pop of the flipper they do this so that you know where it's gonna be a little ramp yeah what game to do that jjp game just all of you yeah what other games do that I think a lot of games do that whenever they're going to an upper play that I've seen it before but I can't recall the Wizard of Oz when you go up to the castle yes Simpsons pinball party pop pop it lets you not do that I thought Simpsons did that when you go to the yeah to the top now the couch the living room it gives you a pop pop to let you know I don't think so and I think you're the wrong game no but I mean maybe mine just didn't do it right bad wrongs wrong but no I really like that because it really does especially because that game is kind of weird of weird the balls are gonna come out it you don't really know where it's coming about it's not it's not real distinct do you feel it's gonna come out at so I really like that little I like that 7-inch wonkavision tactic Italy it looks just appraising about that after we left looks so sharp it is an old woman mm-my you'll love the lighting on that game fantastic because I always have everything bigger I think one of my favorite moments in that game is whenever we're gonna do he goes through that tunnel and he starts singing the creepy poem songs right super creepiest and the lighting effects it looks like waves just like in the video or the movie but but moving on it'll bring us to our next topic like you know what you know why that I'm not buying a Willy Wonka standard because you know you stick with the sturm prose that's like because I'm holding out for my possible first premium purchase holy [ __ ] holy moly hoping with my fingers toes and testicles cross [ __ ] goes that dur assic world is going to be massive world turn pin name your source I don't have one well where'd you hear well okay we sort of discussed this don't say me no no you haven't we've sort of discussed this maybe I'm allowed to say that your theory here so neither one of us to truly do know whether we don't what what's coming up next is the first title we don't did we trim like three years we don't yeah we're just hearing what a bunch of other people are saying and everyone somebody from Stern Reggiano that was how that like one thing gets started people will circulate the [ __ ] out of it but that's what brings us to this is X Theory here is we've heard no no one refute it that's true and everything you hear someone said no that's not it I can be elmira yeah it's not it I'd really seen you said that I was like you know what who we do have what designer we do for not Richie no not Gomez for last year org just dan børge monsters who's that Lee you hear about Brian Eddy but I don't mind that he doing I don't see Brian a messing with this I think it seems too mainstream of franchisee for him I don't hmm I think that's what Brian is gonna have to do I think it's terrible I don't think it hurt turned is the best license they're going to yeah but I hope shows or movies or yeah it's the theme that's close to my heart so I can't judge with the popularity of the theme I think Brian Eddy would be falling I think Brian tastic could be blown away but I think that someone who has been recently hired it's Turner one of their newer rehires who is most certainly due for a new game who might that be would be mr. Keith Alvin Wow Malloy and I will not be mad I sure the hell hope not Keith with what he did on Game of the Year stars here 4-iron made anybody this pin hits me right here it's a I will sign 900 NBA's I will sell my soul to you basically like Zach did but he can drive up to see you give it to him and you've gotta set it up for him I'd maybe make the pilgrimage oh my god he was about to see Willy Wonka today before he was like find it for me to do something special because really need to go it will be a keeper it won't leave it literally won't leave honey if it is [ __ ] like I hate to say that if it sucks it'll still be here I'm one of those guys with this pin do you think it's gonna be Jurassic Park or Jurassic world I agree with somebody I saw somebody talk somebody made the comment they were like Jurassic Park holds way more value than what drastic world does okay of course for nostalgia and everything else because it Jurassic Park is is sort of become a generation Star Wars and ass it's not as big but it has become a generations Star Wars cornerstone yes you know decade film very much so but I think Jurassic world they're gonna come out with a third one at some point are babies maybe cañedo said that I'm sorry if that is you Chris that said that somebody said this is something similar but I think that Jurassic world personally it's more inviting to younger people and I know Stern is always wanting to get younger players onwards dinosaurs in general it does but I think kids like you know you walk into an arcade or you watch the bar Pratt yeah your your yes like young girls even you know Howard's daughter there oh I shouldn't have said Chris Pratt is really nothing for her I like RIT is actually don't screaming blonde brunette ran out okay I like Khaleesi that's my girl kind of mixed you know the sad thing is I probably thinking that woman once a once a day okay but a back on track beautiful Chris Pratt yeah blue course you're the Raptor yeah like III think that it could do very well and I think we're gonna make this I need you know he fell one didn't have many max on Iron Maiden I don't know that's the things like you obviously don't want like a raptor eating a ball or anything not that sounds pretty low like I'm not a big I'm not a big virtual pinball person at all but the tables that drastic world table that pinball effects released that's actually a really neat layout and I would not be mad if it was something similar to that you get only that you own anything but all the physics are off and all the size proportions are office not real good obviously if they're just stuff but it doesn't seem way off but I don't know what would be cool what is the basis one thing that I said is I wanted the gyrosphere oh yeah I want a ball like that what you did with with Twilight zones Powerball well I want but I want something that's agile sphere I want it I wanted to only pop out for a certain mode I want that ball to be used now I don't know the the engineering behind it but I would love a ball that look like the Giles fear that would that would come out elder user mode what else is uh what's the big anonymous the indominus rex indominus rex Raptors are big in that yeah the three Raptors you do like a motorcycle a crocodile son of a [ __ ] it comes up Moses or whatever Moses or you have a beard and tablet as a sword the Mazda Thor I don't say okay I live in Indiana okay well I don't know MEC wise what we're gonna get no I don't either and that's the thing as well I know modes that would be really cool but Mac wise I'm just none maybe that's why it's keep that one max are you okay with that yeah I love our you don't want snagger no no I don't anything real corny like that like I like proportionate stuff mmm no big t-rex head it comes down and maybe they redo that a reengineered re-imagined t-rex eating a bowl well I thought about that but I don't really like it do you I mean I would you like that Thomas Rex eating that though I mean in a lot of it's a super cool tool bit in a modern pinball machine do you want that I think so I don't think so I'm okay with that I don't I'd like to see the kickback come back from dad I used to got down with it oh yes a nice get back rocket like a nice kickback something similar to that too like another Raptor kickback you think this game is gonna have if it comes out is it gonna have to be easy or hard because of the theming iron maiden can begin ass-kicker because you're only gonna have adults play the damn thing and I don't think that much of an ass-kicker like I think that you I think it's a player friendly game if you're good you can play it it's not easy so you think it's Jurassic world Elvira 3 I don't think they're gonna come out with that now we're in the dark we don't know do we they said Superman I don't think that's happening we know beetle washed god I bought that in a heartbeat - I would have liked I would love to see that I gotta figure out whether I'm gonna bleep out all these I repeated that well as a Kimsey I got in trouble in the top of the stairwell my little brother was saying there's like nice mom what you just did we'll just would have been fantastic Fran she did some artwork oh my god concept artwork for the bag all around the music the colors the lighting like that is great if you you don't listen to mini pinball podcasts many pinball podcasts are actually saying name I don't see it [ __ ] in I think I don't get it either that's right now I've listened to you but you know I wouldn't if I heard that I may like the weird you the sandworms hmm all the crazy [ __ ] you could do with being here with Carrie you don't listen to my podcast Carrie Hardy came on he said it would be cool if every time you locked a ball Lydia would say Beetlejuice and the third time you lock the ball Dan today how awesome is that I was like Carrie that is genius that's that's genius oh my god like raise Beetlejuice from the grave Oh a multi both have that model may be a upper play filled with mass with the weird pokey grass you know cuz it looks tall big like the fake grass and and just sort of actually string up little lights in there like like come on yes like oh that's the pimp in the dining a table mode where they're floating and singing every shot you hit a come on Stern that well they said George's / Jorge Gomez / Christopher Franchi claimed that none of the team's the four design teams were into it and they want passion behind their projects he said they weren't into it that's right here to me were you in the Mustang I love that were you yeah into a whole play it Mustang game darning I don't know were you bored makes me hot so I don't it's hard to say that you had to be IND all those to make a wonderful pin I agree my guess the Stern still has a license and they just there they've shelved it until they get a team that wants to do it well it's smart to do but I mean I agree with all this stuff people talking about a few what's Jackie got coming up how long do you think Wonka's are gonna take to get out we were told 60 days before our 60 days at reveal you'll see standards rolling out first the standard Willy Wonka machines then followed by Ellie's then collector's editions back to Ellie's etc when do you think you really are we gonna see them in June I know April major we even see in mid June July August at least do you think so yeah I think people will be happy with that I think there'll be a cake JJ P is trying to set a standard they're trying to learn from their mistakes best I think things will still come up they said before Jack it said no you will not see another machine until it's ready to shoot but I think there'll be a few weird things that may push them back a month or two I don't think it's gonna be anything like there well know what I'm glad as he hold up he said that and they're not shipping right now yeah I know okay I know so what says you if you make it next alright Scott do you think we'll see an Eric men your pain yeah it's gotta be Toy Story gotta be toy store gotta be toy store Guns N'Roses timing with the the film gun they rose got new reunion tour I think it's gonna be timing with the film by the time the film Toy Story comes out two months yeah but I'm saying though like maybe buy DVD sale time okay blu-ray blu-ray still get them DVDs of the VHS is way okay so you think Toy Story next then Guns and Roses yeah so that's the case in Erik miniard being on Toy Story unless unless Pat law we've got two in a row mmm I just know Eric would fit guns and roses really well I think he's a band guy yeah that's what I'm saying like you got fit guns but I think you'd fit Toy Story 2 he's got yeah he would eat it up he'd go crazy oh maybe they got a new designer in the wings no maybe he's named Zach mini that would be so awesome I mean you could design a JJ peepin designer beetlejuice you still alright Oktoberfest are shipping what we're seeing that they're still trickling out slow that [ __ ] still trickling out slow we heard that Josh Kugler in a recent podcast say that they're designing three game number four damn game number five kill a man over this is gonna do pretty good I think so I still like the game like it's but do you think this delay and shipping is killing now that walkers out in black nights out and if the stern releases another one's out I don't know if Black Knight heard them I feel like it's such a different pen then I can tell you this no matter how good opinion is every single pin that comes out it hurts that sale yes it's gonna hurt the sale that still hasn't sure yeah I got agree with that dude it's for I think it's gonna be you have a head why'd you sit in your truck for 30 minutes and so Oktoberfest okay you think it's I don't know I don't know if it'll sell well but I still personally how get okay a lot actually they said they might do licensed themes in the in the future too well but if they this is the Sherlock Holmes yeah and I don't want to not like Joe because I still think this is a cool pin hallo and it's actually a hell of a lot like I said before nicer than what I thought it was gonna be yeah but I think that they should stick to mainstream things that are not particular license that they can sort of trademark like they did with Houdini know if like like Sherlock Holmes I think solid as hell yeah how many Houdini's sold yeah but that was because people complained about the tight shots I love that game too so we're gonna so we got tight shots what's the problem with title two then I think it's just still people or some people art on theme and then animations I think animations is seriously the only thing holding that back okay let's say you take let's say you take Oktoberfest strip it all down and you make it into a beetlejuice what happens yeah theme sells hey Destin yeah we've got a big crime Monster Bash Elly's are trickling out they had to play field issues at the beginning they're run to make it right yeah nothing it was just a really quick transition we're transitioning you know other things trickling out monster bash shell leaves are trickling out still John and Presley I think I think your Frankenstein is trickling oh that's ridiculous do we see another Chicago Gaming announcement this year hmm maybe Expo I do for one thing ever I sold everything anything do you think we will see one hit a showroom floor by the end of the year a Chicago gaming company game if you say Expo that's October yeah I mean I think we'll see one like that I don't think well I don't think they'll be ready and what do you think what do you think it's going to be it'll be a remittance is their thing I'd say big bang bar cactus Canyon I think big bang bar I think you're wrong oh really I don't know I don't know I've no clue I think you're gonna see cactus Canyon that's what I thought the only the only way that I think you do not see cactus Canyon is if they don't finish the code in time and they have to remake something else yeah I guarantee you those guys overseas you see you have about three four maybe five remakes that they're doing right now in the back lab yeah I bet they're trying to get SARS it allows us whatever they want to come up with I guess this can we get down maybe we're gonna go it might be that we got to top her for that yeah so I that's what I'm seeing okay let's end the video on this cuz I like this been fun what is deep root doing what the hell is going on over there this is hanging Texas pinball festival we were supposed to see some deeper games five days of them what in the [ __ ] is going on over there you I've never heard you say in the video and you've said it twice there look brother I've gotta edit out 20 of years already might as well let the freak flag fly now I always sits in front of me I'm just here in the background so what tell me later we're like layered hoes so deep root are you upset did they not follow did they not fall through with what they were gonna say part of their promise yes okay I'm mixed like this is my problem is you make sound everything mr. b-plus it's like it'd be pleasant so my thing is I have no expectations of this company okay like I'm not saying good old strong tape no I'm not saying good or bad I understand I'm nothing I'm not concerned until you know because they haven't like again they I'm taking people's money that's why everybody got up in arms about predator everything else there's no people's money dance oh yeah yeah you are like you'd like George Carlin today yeah these curse rough yeah you know Eddie Murphy roughly you're the Eddie Murphy of pinball meteor lovely yeah okay so mister realtor now letting it loose you know Kelly can you do your realtor now I am yeah mr. Dunn you wanna buy some [ __ ] that's a it's not your pitch yeah hey need a house homeless yeah I'll take care of it hook you up man let's get this come on everybody needs to check out an SDTM production of the promo video it's acted in my promo video you did your promo video to me and Chelsea shot at my wife I had to trust her with a camp and SDTM production of yeah and then already Zak dreams his sick ass editing skills first we made that look good yeah for a commercial for my my new business it was cool thank you again always think we play should we play right here let's go ahead you know what let's roll the straight animal production of Greg Bone real at a rare Bank dream home is out there waiting for you are you looking for the perfect kitchen the perfect bathroom [Music] a basement for entertained are you looking for the perfect tone then let me help you find it contact me Greg bunk the Stiller chromic brass at black nickel at King the chrome at powder-coated the possibilities are endless at pinball play.com your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of LED products with the best quality LEDs and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at comet in ball comm check out pin graphics for the latest and greatest in pinball enhancements power blades blade skins pin blades and even more visit ping graphics comm now to see what's available for your pinball machine I like that I literally had people like laugh at that because like they know me and it was just like hello you want to find a house that's right I'll help you find your dream behind your house it was good though man yeah it was fun I'm excited to kick this [ __ ] off so deep roof it's a deeper so yeah I see games Greg I don't know and but this is my problem you don't know I don't see how this company can fail with the talent you know how they can tell if they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars every freaking month on salary and they don't have chaotically 600 that's how they fail I won't say fail I word it wrong I can see them failing I I don't see how they can't I don't have a keeping flow I don't see how that they that something doesn't come out of this that they don't produce something mmm like I can see them failing well we know that buddy they've got to produce something it's a bunch of [ __ ] seasoned pinball people who know how to build pinball maybe that's not it it's manufacturing do you think our floors out there on the line screwin in stuff and order in parts no do it whatever how are they selling them they talk about direct sales are not gonna use distributor sets in the cell no but I mean okay get them out Josh and Joe pulled it off with American pinball yeah but it was theirs Barry there's a lot of people in there but that's what I'm saying why can't they there's got to be somebody saying listen man is doing this wrong I have been in pinball forever I know what a line looks like I know how a line works I know how this goes there's no dock dose yes what they're doing a everyone come back see ya what yes what yeah they actually have octopuses octopi octopuses in the in there grabbing bars picture Disney film it's called auto assembly they're doing something they're doing manufacturing different what stupid ass movie did I watch oh what a move is the TV show on Netflix never went octopus in a tank grabbing this chick no that was probably uh probably franchis thing and you said was I said was underwater and you can see immediately water girl I don't know what they're doing man we know that I think they're playing smart on so this is my take is play smart again listen listen I think I think that there's no way in hell that with again with the talent they don't produce something so I think there are literally waiting to unveil when it works in literally doing a stern move were within two weeks when those games are unveiled they're ready to ship unless they have gotten too hyper focused on producing so many missions at once they already I've Roode themselves which I still think it's weird and then Robert Mueller recently said somebody was like oh they got 12 white woods is what I heard and he said we have more yes like what are y'all doing insanity get what get one or two all you need is one or two good game good game a lousy if you'd like a coach soccer yeah that's all you we just need one go Katie yeah good one go okay ball hog [ __ ] why is there forever why is there always that kid on that team what does the ball is here my kids suck the soccer so I was happiest to watch that other kid kick the [ __ ] out of that ball that's so me cuz I was like my kidding us for nothing I'm just real did you turn into you gotta be when you a soccer dad they had a teaser trailer for the retro atomic zombie Adventureland so you guys see now the the Bart's nice it looks like a cool theme I like the I like the whole storyboard but here's what the fruits doing they're not just doing pinball machine great they were doing I think they're like a studio so they have more products deep root is not just pinball it's more thing so I think they're gonna have more media and different stuff out there that they're going oh it's like I'm not like hurt over anything I'm not excited like I'm not anything honestly I'm just like super neutral you think you think bobby pin balls worried over there think you sweating a little bit I don't know how you couldn't I don't say good either yes on that note Oh last thing about deeper did you see the leaked cabinet of engineering you asked me about that oh man they've got it to where the cabinet comes out of the playfield all the like out here so that you can work on it so you don't have to be stuck in there and do legs fall down I don't know how it works but it comes out and it can fold straight up Denton you can turn it all the way around and fold it down here so if you want to work on a switcher you do it here boom but a bow and the glass comes up you don't take glass out that like comes up or something maybe that's what's holding up I don't know man that's what's worrying me Greg is just it doesn't seem like it seems like Fantasyland yeah I don't know man I know dude I think it's sick sure you know what else is sick flying monkeys but are they real oh they'll have been cut from everything Oh monkeys are offensive now they're offensive ah I think it's a rapist ode man I'm glad to be back season 3 baby let's it's glad to be baby I'm with a bang I'm the word count on f-bombs that you dropped on this episode was a lot but you know what I'm just I was just letting go season through some new season what do these people need to know for between now and next episode well we have no t-shirts I'd tell you about one whose job is it for the t-shirts great this month to approve Oh bowl you're going to put that on me in front of the peoples yep I have to deal with the printer yeah I have to get all that done you have to approve it improve what every time I've gone to the printer I've had to get him on the phone because of some problems I love this and to put it on there is a little bitty there's a few ink dots you know the drag we can't have it well check out Oh Chuck work me love me strong man love is such um you know what he got a top three nominee for the Twitty did and we want one he did we didn't get a trippy thing Chuck work check it out he's a string yep Oh Kerry Hardy's killing it with his videos we're still doing nasty now like we are super lucky to have found they're both of those guys honestly we're looking to grow aren't we yeah we're always looking to grow you think you're a damn good streamer hit us up if you think you're a damn good YouTube person that's up if you got something unique to offer we sort of want like a like a mirroring team meanie media brand to where that you just go to SDTM and you kind of feel you know fill your pinball void in whatever 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share our page the flipping out page but you you're gonna be you're gonna be won this this is an American pinball swag bag right or a swag pack we'll call it that I've got huh I've got a Houdini side art right that's like 100 bucks right there we've got and this is all gonna be giving away to one person only you've got to do is share the flipping out pinball or by machine I'll throw you in there thank target decals with the Houdini yeah those beautiful rings are really nice mm-hmm got that we've got a fantastic you think is this supposed to be great but I'm giving it away I already got one okay pinball I know it what size is that what size because I may have to switch out yeah my switch about okay so a pinball intent we've got this all goes to one person all you've got to do is share the flipping out Facebook page or call and put a deposit in for a long current Oktoberfest or something whatever and then we've got Houdini what do they call these things lanyard and then we've got a little backpack a little American pin Bob backpack you look like Rambo so all of that stuff is gonna go to one lucky winner and you ain't got to do a damn thing all you got to do is share it or pre-order game or something do something flipping out love if you bought a pin from us put it on there as well alright until next week Greg what do we need to tell this do we love them right yeah what are we doing next week real quick we don't know yeah review top 10 ooh this or that you do this with that see you guys later [Music] you had a fling with a slingshot you roll an a/c outlet are gay [Applause] isn't she lovely isn't she leave it this is the sad thing is on my side of the table I have everything prepped I got giveaway stuff I've got products max yeah max aim I've got and flavored water electrolyte water beverage well unprepped and over on your side I have a cellular fart wha in a beer can you tell me which one this is the dapper [ __ ] here of me prepares and killing it prepared is what I'm prepared I mean it's about five of these where you came no I just had a glass of wine and then I smelled the why how can you drink that after wine run out do you know don't say you got left I'll drink or a bite I feel like you're awfully close to me this time nope that's how we always are it's just been forever come on dad this is what does it to me tasty and pasty it's me yep hmm hasty and pasty straight down the middle hasty and pasty you're what covers of strippers nipples what a pasty what's that it covers that's what to call it with the covers are strippers nipples you go to strip clubs they have things that cover nipples sometimes there are like sometimes they're not allowed to show nipple with explain that is that like a regulation yeah are you serious wow I didn't know that paintings and pasties so what's the point in going if they got painting these on and pasties well just watch them jiggle that's weird I've never been to a strip club suddenly I don't frequently titty bars is that what they're called nowadays what they're called gentlemen's clubs just hit one guy was like since I haven't had you guys to watch I'm watching porn yeah [Laughter]