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PNP 642- He REFUSED To Debate Me & Why I Am ACTUALLY Relieved Aboot It!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·39m 46s·analyzed·Sep 20, 2025
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TL;DR

Orby relieved Kaneda refused debate; addresses 10-year conflict and threats toward Glenn the Skateboarder.

Summary

Orbital Albert discusses his relief that Kaneda (Chris Kooluris) declined his debate invitation, revealing a long history of conflict between the two podcasters. Albert defends himself against Kaneda's public criticism, explains his refusal to engage with personal attacks, and addresses allegations of threats and inappropriate behavior directed at Glenn the Skateboarder and others. Despite frustration, Albert signals willingness to move forward if Kaneda respects boundaries.

Key Claims

  • Kaneda has threatened violence against Orbital Albert multiple times over 10 years

    high confidence · Albert states he's been threatened multiple times and refers to specific threats against Glenn the Skateboarder, mentioning threats that cross into illegal territory when specific time/place/harm is mentioned

  • Kaneda spent approximately 90 minutes on his show (Saturday Morning Spectacular) talking about Orbital Albert

    high confidence · Albert repeatedly references this, saying Kaneda talked about him more than he talked about Star Wars, which just released

  • Kaneda has blocked Orbital Albert on Facebook but not YouTube

    high confidence · Albert directly states this, noting the block is inconsistent with Kaneda's stated commitment to free speech

  • Orbital Albert grew his Patreon from 6 to 20 subscribers in one week

    high confidence · Albert explicitly states he launched 72 hours before with only 2 trial subscribers, then grew to 20 by the following Saturday

  • Kaneda has threatened Glenn the Skateboarder with violence

    high confidence · Albert references Kaneda's threats against Glenn multiple times, describing them as serious enough to cause post-traumatic stress and crossing into illegal territory

Notable Quotes

  • “He said straight up he doesn't think he can beat me in a debate or something to that extent. I was actually, the ironic part is I was actually getting ready... I have to go out. I just finished doing some training for a big event tomorrow.”

    Orbital Albert @ Early in episode — Core revelation that Kaneda declined the debate invitation

  • “I specifically said I want to debate him about him being mean, rude, unkind, unfair and making... threatening assaults. That's illegal.”

    Orbital Albert @ Mid-episode — Clarifies Albert's debate focus was on Kaneda's behavior, not pinball prices

  • “There's nothing to debate. Pinball prices are too high. He knows, you know, I know, his audience knows, everybody who's ever listened to any of his shows knows.”

    Orbital Albert (quoting Kaneda's position) @ Mid-episode — Kaneda's stated reason for declining debate

  • “I don't have relationships with manufacturers. I can't call George Gomez at 3 a.m. and just talk to him like you can... I kind of like not having those relationships because then I can call out a company if they do their marketing poorly.”

    Orbital Albert @ Later in episode — Explains Albert's editorial independence philosophy vs. Kaneda's manufacturer relationships

  • “When you threaten people's lives, it's really going... when you're threatening to like beat them to a pulp or smithereens... it really really really bothers me because glenn is overall 99.9 of the time maybe he's going through a bit of a rough period.”

    Orbital Albert @ Mid-episode — Addresses the severity of threats against Glenn the Skateboarder

  • “If I don't go to Expo at this point, because I have now three different content creators all practically on the verge of begging me to go, saying we need to see you. We want you there.”

    Orbital Albert @ Later in episode — Indicates Expo attendance uncertainty and community support for Albert's presence

  • “Chris, if you change your mind since we're saying your name here anyways and you decide that you want to come to debate me like I said before I'm going to be respectful but you're not getting softball questions the whole time.”

Entities

Orbital AlbertpersonKanedapersonGlenn the SkateboarderpersonDonpersonGenghispersonRetro RalphpersonChristopher Franchiperson

Signals

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    community_signal: Kaneda allegedly made serious threats against Glenn the Skateboarder including violence, causing reported post-traumatic stress

    high · Albert references specific threats mentioning 'beat to pulp or smithereens' at specific time/place; describes Glenn's distress and PTSD

  • ?

    community_signal: Decade-long conflict between Orbital Albert and Kaneda involving alleged threats, personal attacks, and public feuding on podcasts

    high · Albert documents 10 years of conflict, multiple threats, and ongoing public attacks; Kaneda spent ~90 minutes discussing Albert on recent episode

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Multiple content creators reportedly encouraging Orbital Albert to attend Pinball Expo despite conflict with Kaneda

    medium · Albert states 'three different content creators all practically on the verge of begging me to go, saying we need to see you'

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball content creator ecosystem features significant interpersonal drama and feuding; some creators avoid naming/engaging with Kaneda per Albert's observation

    medium · Albert notes 'other pinball podcasts just don't name him. It gives him power or strength or something'

  • ?

    event_signal: Uncertainty around Kaneda's attendance at Pinball Expo; Albert considering skipping to avoid confrontation but being encouraged to attend by community

    medium · Albert mentions Kaneda said he won't be coming; notes multiple creators want him there; states his own attendance uncertain but desired

Topics

Interpersonal conflict between Kaneda and Orbital AlbertprimaryThreats and violence in pinball communityprimaryPinball content creator dynamics and feudsprimaryDebate/confrontation avoidance in pinball mediaprimaryManufacturer relationships and editorial independencesecondaryPinball Expo attendance and community event politicssecondaryPatreon growth and podcast monetizationsecondaryPinball podcast criticism and standardsmentioned

Sentiment

mixed(0.35)— Albert expresses relief that the debate was declined but also frustration, anger, and hurt about Kaneda's behavior and public attacks. He attempts reconciliation but clearly remains hurt and unwilling to engage further. Underlying distress about threats, personal attacks, and Glenn the Skateboarder's treatment colors the entire discussion. Some positive notes about growing Patreon and potential reconciliation with Don.

Transcript

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All get around, he's on the rebound, hear the sound of our buddy, oh lordy, it's Orby, pinball now to rejoice, he's tugging pinball, craft beer and coffee, miffed with syrup and honey, hopes to laugh with his family in a random tangent, stories of his boys, he's on the poor man's pod network, We're going to get more listeners for the Pinball Nerds Podcast. Coming to you from beautiful River Hibbert, Nova Scotia. Welcome back, Pinball Nerds, to episode 642 of your fifth favorite pinball podcast. My name is Orbital Albert, and on today's show, well, I got to talk about it. And, you know, we talk a little bit here on the show of me trying to make this a little bit less of a blog type podcast and a little bit more of me kind of digging into the news stories a bit. And recently I had asked a very, let's say strident, a very strident. I'm trying to be I'm trying to make peace here. A very strident pinball podcaster, if they would come on my show. And I said and I was glad to hear they heard it. I don't know who shared it with them. They're either one of the two people in my Patreon I don't know or somebody. If you didn't pay for it, Pinball Podcaster, and someone shared it with you, don't be naughty. Don't share my shows, please. It would be super. I don't have like 700, 800, 900 Patreons. I have 20, which is incredible, and I'm so enthusiastic and thankful that I'm going to name some of them at their very end that haven't got shout-outs yet. And since last Saturday to this Saturday, wow, me going up from six, I believe, to 20 in a week is just astounding. Now, to be fair, last Saturday when I got made fun of for having a pathetic amount of patrons, I had only launched 72 hours before that. Like only two people on planet Earth knew it existed and had been sent a link before that just to trial just to see if each tier worked. And thankfully, shout out to them. They subbed up and helped me out with that. But so today on their Saturday morning spectacular, they said, and I'm very relieved, but they they have said this particular pinball podcaster, who I understand why now other pinball podcasts just don't name him. It gives him power or strength or something. He's turned me down. He said straight up he doesn't think he can beat me in a debate or something to that extent. I was actually, the ironic part is I was actually getting ready. I have to go out. I just finished doing some training for a big event tomorrow I might mention near the end. But I was getting ready to go for a shower, and he started talking to me about me in the shower. And I was like, whoa, this is meta. I'm about to go for a shower. I have my towel in my hand. I have my JBL speaker. I've got him on YouTube. He blocked me on Facebook, but didn't block me on YouTube, which I wouldn't care if I was blocked because I'm pretty sure it's just open to the public. So you could just not sign in. However, I wasn't going to comment today. I haven't commented in there in months and months and months. I only made one comment in his Facebook page that was actually really mellow. And for a guy that talks a lot about free speech, I made a really, really mellow comment in his thing. He said, unfortunately, I won't be coming due to some things that happened. And all I said was, yeah, Kaneda, we're really all upset that you can't come to Expo. And I was saying that because he had threatened now several people there with violence, including myself at multiple points and Glenn the Skateboarder. I don't bring it up when he threatens me with violence. Honestly, it's happened so many times over these 10 years, even his brother. His brother actually threatened far more than violence to me. And I've never really brought that up because, again, I don't see the need to do that. But if someone's going to call me out that hard, I have to at least defend myself. I defended myself behind the paywall. It sounds to me like Canada's, oh, man, I said his name. No, Orby. All right. So basically today on his show, he said that he doesn't want to debate me. There's nothing to debate. There's nothing to debate. Pinball prices are too high. He knows, you know, I know, his audience knows, everybody who's ever listened to any of his shows knows I don't want to. And he listened to that show because he made comments on several of those comments behind the paywall. I specifically said I want to debate him about him being mean, rude, unkind, unfair and making. Yeah. Yeah. Threatening assaults. That's illegal. When you threaten a time and a place and the person believes that you actually may go to that time and place and they specifically say at that time and place what exactly they're going to do to harm you. that that crosses into illegal territory. Now, thankfully, it appears as if he's waving the white flag. And he said, you know, that he's very charming. He's a charmster. He'll charm your way. He's charmed his way. Think about this. People who know me is we've had like, probably about 12 times and we've taken time off of talking to each other over the years. We've literally talked to each other for hundreds of hours. In fact, there was a two or three year stint, where we talked almost every morning from between like 530 or six, all the way to like 637 30. Now, yes, I might be talking to like Franchi or someone else in the chat at the same time or Glenn the Skateboarder or Tim the Lion Manly. Shout out for joining the Patreon, by the way, Tim. And, you know, who knows? But I honestly, I was mostly talking to him many mornings and he was mostly talking to me. And, you know, every time a new pinball machine came out, we talked about the marketing, the advertising, the social media, what went right, what went wrong. Yes, we did talk behind the scenes. The number one thing I said to him behind the scenes is the number one thing I've said to him on his show now for eight years. Please just stop making fun of other pinball content creators. Go after the companies. I love listening to him go after the companies. I've said his cadence is great. I said his sound quality is great. He has an excellent microphone when it's actually not like coming unplugged and you're hearing that on the Facebook lives. But, you know, and I really don't I personally don't like his sense of style, but I dress like a lumberjack half the time. I live like seven hours away from any city over like 100000 people, you know what I mean? Or at least round trip. Right. So it's fine. We don't all have to dress the same. He doesn't have to see me chopping down trees and go, oh, I love your corduroy pants, Orby. man I love it and speaking of complimenting me he was really rude at the start by saying if you go listen to it and I encourage you not to but if you go listen to it if you really want to call me out on it because he said at the end of the show that oh and I didn't talk about you for 90 minutes straight you talked about me then more last Saturday he talked about me more than he talked about Star Wars which came out last week imagine some content creator going off on you more than Star Wars. I've done three shows about Star Wars and one show about him. Go figure. Anyways, the point is, he is afraid to debate me. And honestly, I'm afraid to debate him. I really don't want to talk to him anymore. I am afraid to debate him. There you go. I said it. I'm being open and honest. He won't be open and honest until he's afraid to debate me, because he knows I am the one and only pinball content creator that could destroy you. Chris too cool for fucking school risk I almost swear it on my open show I will never do that but he knows that I know what he did to Tim Sexton and behind the scenes there he knows that I know what he did with doxing Zach many and what he did there he knows he knows what he said to me the last comment he said to me personally before we recorded on Canada's pinball podcast okay so he I you know I've seen him go after Vic VP Vic VP's probably never even mentioned the guy I've seen him go after Retro Ralph now for months when Retro Ralph doesn't even talk about the guy or mention him or even probably think about him he couldn't care less anymore I've seen him go after Don now for two years straight in fact that's why Don and I are I'm not going to say we're besties but the lines of communication are open again we're at least going to hopefully be acquaintances that are respectful to each other and that's all I wanted from Chris all I wanted from Chris is what I want from Don is a little bit of respect if you don't like my show If you don't like what I talk about, if you're so offended that I recorded a funny four minute podcast when I was in a rush to get out the door to the beaches, one of the preeminent bands on planet Earth. But I still value my listeners so much that I wanted to let them know my thoughts on the Costco machine. OK, that I decided to do dual purpose. I'm sorry that I have two teenage sons that take a lot more time up and are awake twice the number of hours of little infants. OK, I'm sorry that I run two businesses and at the same time work from home. Every second you're at home, you just be chilling. I can't be just chilling all the time at home. I have to I have to chop enough wood so that my family doesn't go cold this winter. I have to grow enough food so that I can have salsa, Hayden's hot sauce, Danielle's best damn jam. OK, Owen's dills will give you thrills. No, we didn't get many. We didn't get enough dill pickles this year to make those. But and then every year I make hot sauce every year I make cider. In fact, my Facebook picture that I just updated yesterday in the arcade, you can see in the corner. If you look in the bottom left of the corner, if you click on the profile picture, it will open up to the original picture. Not that anyone cares, but I'm just saying in there you can see that I have mead fermenting myself. Yes, I managed to make it three months when you're only drinking my own beer, my own mead, and my own cider. Like that's cool. That's crazy. Maybe it's not cool to Chris. I get it. As a city slicker, he probably thinks that's the most boring thing ever. He wouldn't want to brew his own beer. He wouldn't want to make his own sake. He would have no clue how hard it is and how challenging it is. But because of that, he'll never know how rewarding it is. And that's why I switched from being a city slicker who did make over 50K a year, working for the third largest bank in Canada, which is sure. I'm sure it's only like a tenth of what he makes. OK but I was a year 10 years ago in Canada was pretty good OK and I said I don want to do that anymore Once my sons were a certain age I didn want to be in the hustle and bustle I don want to hear sirens all day long all the time I wanted to move you know out to a place that was more calm more chill more relaxed and that's what I did now Chris if you change your mind since we're saying your name here anyways and you decide that you want to come to debate me like I said before I'm going to be respectful but you're not getting softball questions the whole time I'll even do five minutes of softball if you want okay just to get us all a little warmed up. Now, we've recorded together multiple times before. We've talked together on the phone before many times. We've been in the same live streams for 10 years. I can be cordial. You threw the white flag up today. You know what? Even someone talked about me seeing – someone was mentioning me doing something disgusting in the shower. I quite clearly had a shower beer in my hand the whole time, sir. Come on. And I hold my beer in my right hand. So can we just – that wasn't rad. Anyways, it was maybe kind of a little bit funny. The part that wasn't cool was that Chris actually read that aloud. So if I want to be really mean and rude, I could actually go to the expo staff and be like, on his podcast today, he literally said Orbital Albert was in the shower pulling it. But I'm not going to do that. You know why? Because I don't care if he goes. I'm most likely not going. And if I do go, guess what? It ain't going to just be Don not shaking your hand. It's going to be me. Because at this point, I'm actually starting to wonder if he has a bit of a man crush on me. It's a little bit weird. He can't stop talking about me. He did almost 90 minutes straight. On today's show, he said, what do I care about a pinball podcaster who did one show behind a paywall about me actually telling the truth about my horrible behavior to other content creators? What do I care? I have so much class in my little pinball. And he was talking about how I have less subscribers than I have fingers and toes. Well, Kaneda, I'm sorry if you have less fingers and toes than me or other appendages. But if you go take a look even before your live stream started, bro, get on it, man. do the tiniest bit of research. You called every other content creator for not doing research. You got to do some research, dude. I have 20 and I also have 20 fingers and toes. So I'm actually tied and I could care less if I never, ever get another subscriber. So long as I live for me, for someone, the extra $125 a month I get, and I'm sure some people will go and some people will come back and so on and such. Or it's true, but I'd like to grow it to 25 or 30. Yeah. You know, When I was watching The Office, one of my favorite TV shows of all time, on trivia night, a whole bunch of the members of The Office went to go play trivia. And when they got there, they said, okay – I don't know if it was Michael. I think it was maybe – or maybe it was Dwight. I'm not sure. But they said, okay, separate yourselves into the A players and the B players because they found out there's like an A team and a B team, and you can't have half A players and half B. You've got to put your best foot forward. You got to put your, you know, every hockey team, every football team, every single baseball team. They're going to play the top players the most. OK, they're not going to be fair about it. OK, I got one eye open over here. I'm semi-woke. All right. I get it. I get it. Here's the thing. I know that I'm not top A. I get that. I don't have relationships with manufacturers. I can't call George Gomez at 3 a.m. and just talk to him like you can. OK, I don't have those relationships. But I kind of like not having those relationships because then I can call out a company if they do their marketing poorly, like I did with JJP earlier this year. Now, I try to be respectful as I could, but that was a property I loved like Harry Potter. And I was so disappointed because I knew even myself as a two-bit marketer from River Hibbert's, Nova Scotia, could have launched, could have announced to the world the biggest pinball property of all time from the company that everyone said they wanted from Jersey Jack. I just would have done it with a little bit of panache. I would have done it with a little bit of fun, a little bit of love. You know, I've talked about it countlessly. But my point is I will always call out a company when I see them making a huge fail, whether that be hashtag tag marketing fail, hashtag not enough toys and mechs, hashtag scram. I am always going to be that person that tells you the truth because I don't know tons of people over at Jersey Jack like he does, because I don't know tons of people over at Stern like he does. I haven't even talked to anyone from Stern on the phone ever in my life, I don't think. you know what I mean? Like, I don't think, I've never called Jack Danger. I've never called Ray Day. I don't have Ray Day's phone number. He has everybody's phone number works over there. I've talked to like Ray Day once at an event. I talked to Jack Danger at Pimberg. I got to interview Jack Danger at Pimberg. That was great. I did talk to Keith Elwin once. I didn't say, oh, I have a pinball podcast. Like, I don't think he would give a flying F if some guy blogs about him all the time. I was Keith Elwin's biggest fan before he even started making pinball layouts. And I was so stoked after he got into making pinball, knowing that his experience of being a tournament player would help him code balance and make the right shots in the games. And anyone who says they don't like tournament players, it's like you're kind of forgetting you love how much Keith Elwin machines are better than some of the games we had before. And part of the reason why you love Keith Elwin machines and even Jack Danger machines is because they know tournament pinball. They know how to blow up a machine. OK, so anyways, I am so glad that this man waved the way the flag. OK, it's a little uncomfortable when you're talking about me doing sensual things in the shower and you've already talked about me in the shower multiple times. You've already talked about my fingers and my toes. You already spent 90 minutes last Saturday talking about me straight. And then this Saturday, you still couldn't talk about Star Wars and you had to just keep talking about me over and over. You had to talk about my subscription count. You had to like it's getting a little weird. And then the day after our big blowout, do you know what song he played? Man Crush by Sabrina Carpenter. and it was like, dude, I just, come on, dude, I'm happily married here. I've already joked. I've already joked. Okay. That I am straight up 3% gay, uh, 0% bisexual. I have to be with either a girl or a guy. I can't be doing both at the same time. That gets crazy. If I'm going to have a threesome, there's going to be no guys involved. That's what I'm saying. But let's bring this show, reel it back in a little bit. I actually respect Chris or I did until he said that to Glenn, because when you threaten people's lives, it's, it's really going, you know, when you're threatening to like beat them to a pulp or smithereens or whatever he said maybe he wasn't threatening to necessarily kill him thankfully but when you say stuff like that it really really really bothers me because glenn is overall 99.9 of the time maybe he's going through a bit of a rough period i don't know but yeah what he did wasn't rad but what he did wasn't rad like a two out of ten and you brought it to a ten out of ten by calling glenn Glenn Waechter of c you know what see you next tuesday JNT. Okay. So, and then just going on blast and then sending them those private messages. I've been in pinball in 10 years and never said anything that unhinged on air, off air or anywhere else. Yes. Even me saying F you to Stern for high prices in my big rant, even me saying F you to Stern for inviting 20 newbies into pinball, but not inviting a dude with 500 pinball podcasts. Okay. Even me saying that is not as unhinged is saying that you're going to be whatever the words were, that you're going to basically either end someone's life or come damn close to ending their life at a specific location at a specific time when you're going there and he's going to be there. So I like Glenn, probably no matter what I say or do is going to have post-traumatic stress from this. OK, and you can say that's woke or whatever. But like at that, I know how hard of a week he's had. And anyways, I'm here for you, Glenn. I'm sure Glenn doesn't want to hear about this anymore. I'm sure Canada doesn't want to hear about this anymore. I'm sure that sure you, the listener, doesn't want to hear this anymore. but I can tell you this man crusher, not Canada. Listen, I get, I know someone had a rainbow hat in your thing and you were getting called out for being woke. I personally don't think wearing a rainbow hat, there's anything wrong with that. The group of friends that I hang it with, no one would get mad at you for it. A lot of us wear con, a lot of us wear fun, colorful clothes. I have no problem with that. Okay. When I go into the big city for a concert, I take off the lumberjack clothes and put other stuff on. I don't go naked. That'd be weird. But anyways, Chris, I'm trying to gain back some respect for you today helped a little you waved the flag a little someone jumped in and was saying some really rude stuff in chat and you repeated it and then said no let's go there he did say near the end he was talking about my content yet again and said to the guy who said I talked about him for an hour and a half I only listened to all three of your behind the paywall shows last week and every single solitary show that you've done in the past two weeks but I don't think about you at all I don't talk about you at all I have nothing to do with you and I definitely don't have a hashtag man crush on you. So it's like, okay, dude, like it's, you know, do your thing, do your thing. And it's extra weird that he's talking about that. Well, I'm actually in the shower. Thankfully, like I can bring my JBL in there and turn it up loud. I don't have to worry about seeing the screen in case he's going to be showing any being rude or whatever. And I don't want to wreck my laptop either. But here's what I'll say is, Chris, don't think about me doing it in the shower because then you're going to get, you know, let's let's can we just keep this PG, bro? Don't think about me doing this in the shower. I'm waving the white flag. I'm fully clothed, Chris. And remember, you're a twink and I'm a bear. So we don't even like, even in the worlds where we were both single, okay, I just, I like kind, compassionate, nice, loving, classy people. I don't like mean, rude, inconsiderate people. That's just not my, that's not my style, okay? And I definitely don't like people who brag about their money, which is seemingly the thing that you do second most to talking about me all night and day. So hashtag Kaneda, get over me. Stop talking about me. don't say my name ever again and it'd be way too soon listen pinball nerds i'm sorry for bringing this up tomorrow i am going to be running the terry fox run i'm attempting to be the first person to run 13.1 kilometers backwards i've done a little bit of media for that it's starting to get some traction i'm already nervous about a failing and being a failure to my mom up there in heaven who i'm running for who's my best friend and who passed away from lung cancer and a brain tumor and why am i doing it backwards not only because tom green is my favorite comedian of all time and I know he hashtag woke he not very woke the things he talks about Freddie getting whatevered Freddie getting going in the shower with Orby I guess according to his chat and the things he likes to read in his chat. Like so many, like there was like a thousand comments in there you could have read. There was even other people like Retro Ozzy was being really rude, calling me a loser. He's such a loser. Trump is the best and Orby's a loser. Like he was just, what a disgusting person. But I don't want to go on about that. his whole group that really listens to and watches him for the most part i saw like two people in there i maybe f which who is like brian cause which brian cause half the time he's there he's trolling him if he's being rude he knows that and the other half the time uh he if he's not if he's being nice to franchi then franchi's being nice to him if he's being rude to franchi and the franchi is being rude to him so they have a little bit of a weird relationship and franchi by the way i saw you give a huge big thank you i don't care about the 50 bucks give canada as much money as you want everyone else does but you gave him a big huge thank you for him singing happy birthday a day late in his podcast that he made free and he said everything i said about you on my podcast he said wow you're one of the best pinball podcasters ever exactly what i said he said the other thing that you're one of the best artists of all time he also said that you're entertaining that you're funny and he loves you and everything that i said a day later of course the day after i said it but not only that i sang to you in such a funny interesting voice even don shout out to don he got back to me after that funny Donnie song where I was letting him know that I'm glad him and I are at least going to be acquaintances. I don't want to freak him out and say like we're going to be friends again or buds. Maybe that boat sailed. Maybe it has. Maybe it hasn't. But I'll tell you what, I would walk up to Don in a heartbeat and I would shake his hand and I would offer to buy him a drink or say hello and be respectful to him. I would do the same to Cengiz. I would not do the same to Kaneda. If and when I see Kaneda there, I'm just going to avoid him. I'm just going to avoid him. And if he comes over to shake my hand, I'll tell you what, Chris, if you really want me to shake my hand, just give me at least a second to spit on it first, all right? Because then I'll feel like we're even close to equal for how you've treated me. And remember, anyone who thinks like, well, you've been rude to him too, Albert. Yeah, I was really rude to him in front of 20 people who got to listen to it. And by the way, that podcast might be coming down in 10 days when I take off the Stern Rand. So if you're wanting to join Patreon, I would do it right now. But here's the thing him calling me a loser and saying that i am uh pathetic he's a pathetic lose don't today's voice is much higher hey welcome everybody i'm canadian i'm gonna make fun of you for the next point you cannot fast forward canada ever you have to listen in real time because if you fast forward that high voice he sounds like a chipmunk right elvin simon theodore anyway see now i've gone off track and i'm being mean again anyways chris i will wave the white flag let's move forward and try to have at least the tiniest bit of mutual respect. You don't want me to do behind the, behind the, and it's so funny because either someone let him listen to it. He made like five comments specifically. And most of you who listen to Kaneda's, the other 3,300 people who listened to him last Saturday and who will listen to him probably on today's show, they will have no clue how many references he made to my behind the scenes. Anyone who says, oh no, he didn't talk about you for 90 minutes today. Nah, nah, nah. If there are any of my 20 Patreons and they heard my rant against him, you know, to every single thing he talked about, from succeeding to money, to everything he talked about was in a response. And it's ironically funny that all I took it as is, I don't care. You can make fun of me for not having as much money as you, but if you start calling me pathetic, if you start shaming everyone, all of my Patreons, that's where I draw the line. That's not entirely true. You can keep doing that, Chris. But when you threaten my friends to ruin their peace, and that's the thing is Glenn wasn't afraid of him. Glenn was afraid of him ruining his peace. And Retro Ralph's not afraid of him. Okay. He's not. I'm not afraid of Chris. I'm afraid of Chris ruining my peace. And if I don't go to Expo at this point, because I have now three different content creators all practically on the verge of begging me to go, saying we need to see you. We want you there. Okay. And I want to go. I want to go way worse than Chris wants to go. I don't need first class. I don't eat omakase because I don't know what omakase is. Okay. I know it's 250 bucks a head. I don't know what it is. You know, $250 American is about $420 Canadian. I'm not just saying that because that's my favorite number, but $420 is what my family spends in approximately two months of groceries. Now, yes, a couple of times you're on a birthday or holiday, we might go to a really nice restaurant and I might get like a gourmet fricking burger with some craft beer. But for the most part, I could never, and I will never be able to spend $500 Canadian on just one meal. I just won't ever be able to. And that's okay. I don't know. Maybe drop target Danielle and I's like 10th year wedding anniversary coming up in two years. Maybe. But I don't even know what an Omakase is. Does it taste good? It sounds like to me an Omastar in Pokemon. An Omastar is a snail. And I'm not paying $250 for Escargo. How about Escardon't? Baroomch. Okay, they say go out on a high note. But I do have to. If Chris wants to drop it, I want to drop it. I want to move on. Y'all are sick of hearing about it. I'm sick of talking about it. I can tell you this. Glenn's freaking sick of being in the mix there. Then got up probably a little too close to the sun. And here's the thing that I've even said multiple times. Glenn is not a content creator and should not have been thrown into the mix like that. That's how you go after. If I wrote that comment on there, oh, my God, he would still not shut up about me. Even more than instead of doing an hour and a half straight about me per week, he'd start doing two hours of Canada's Orbeez Spectacular. Hashtag man crush. you're winning Chris you are winning you're winning at something uh you're you're winning at being the loudest you're winning at being the most annoying you're winning at the highest voice in all pinball and you're also winning at the worst fashion sense but what you're not winning at is being nice to other pinball content creators from time to time I even I even I even call out other pinball content creators but I do it in a kind of compassionate manner that might have a mini a little mini troll but I don't threaten their lives just because I don't like their content and that's what I'm getting down to Chris if you want to make fun of me for doing shows in the shower go ahead it would be super awesome if you stop talking about me in a sexual way and doing things in the shower that's kind of annoying but at the same time hey i don't even want to talk about him ever again i would be happy to him to hear he wasn't going to expo so that all these other pinball content creators and ones that i'm not even going to mention aren't worried how he's going to interact with their friends and sometimes it's not even them they're like but now i gotta and it just takes the focus off pinball expo the smartest thing from a public relations a public media standpoint that if and if i were buddies with rob burke but i don't have anyone in pinball's phone number and that's why my content is so pure that's why i can call out any pinball company at any time that's why i can call it any content creator at any time because not only do i have patreon but also i have the sense to not actually get close to any of these pinball people so that i can speak to them and have a review it'd be the same thing i was watching uh the nerdy newfies no they're not pinball they're these two uh awesome dudes from newfoundland and Now, I'm allowed to call them Newfies because I live on the east coast of Canada. But, I mean, that is literally their YouTube name. And they had said they were talking about how expensive the new Mary Brown's Southwestern ribs and chicken. They have like this whole line of Southwest super spicy foods. And someone in chat wrote, yeah, well, why didn't you just ask them to give it to you for free? I'm sure they would to review it. But the second that you're getting free ribs, the way that Canada is getting free information all the time, offered free trips, offered first class, offered free meals, offered cars and CEO sports cars. Every time he's offered more and more stuff, it's hard for him to be truly honest and critical about what he doesn't like. And that's why we heard him not really say much about going to town on JJP's huge mess of launching Harry Potter this year. Anyways, pinball nerds, I have to thank a couple of patrons very quick, and then I am off to go enjoy my day. And I'm already, you know what, it's it's I am relieved I said that I am relieved I mean it's nice to know that someone has a crush on you hope I'm hoping it's a platonic crush that's my hope I would assume it is but you never know you never know with Chris he surprises me every time he is surprising if nothing else just like a car crash that man he is surprising because I thought he was going to come at me hard today and he started real rough and then by the end he was going real slow all right so uh I got to give a big thank you out to Scott K. Thank you, Scott K. Wait, is that from Loser Kid Scott? No, I don't think so. Okay. No, it's not Scott Larson. I checked. No. Okay. Next, I have to say, and that's from Australia. That's our second Australian member, so thank you so much. It is $7. To our Aussie members, it is $7 for the lower end tier. I don't make up that price. That works out to be approximately, it would turn out to be $6.50 after taxes in Canada. So you're only paying two quarters more. the cost of playing an EM pinball machine more than the Canucks. Now, why haven't I had, A, a single solitary European sign up yet? We've got to have one European. Let's do it. European, I'm a peon, everybody's peon. Don't do it in the shower because then it's a golden shower. All right, no more shower talk. I'm not going to talk about showers for an hour and a half like he did. I'll tell you that. All right, so thank you, Scott. Thank you, Pin Jedi. By the way, Scott, you're number 20. I'm working on something really cool, really, really, really cool. Members of the Poor Man's Pinball Tribe could probably guess what I'm going to do for all my patrons, not just the higher level that's getting the coffee and the collectibles and the Pinball Nerds podcast trading cards coming. I'm talking about each and every one of my members is going to get something so rad coming their way. And it's going to involve what number you signed up at, what number of the nerd herd you are. So who's going to be nerd herd number 21? I don't know. I do also want to thank Rusty, Rusty Daggers. Sorry, Rusty D. I'm not supposed to read your last name. $7 Patreon. Australia. Two Australians at once. It's pretty awesome. I do really, really want to give a big shout out to Colin. He wrote me the most kind nice wonderful thing in this week in pinball And I honestly I don care if people say oh you woke Oh you teared up because another dude wrote something nice I don care My eyes almost well up I wasn't like blatantly crying everywhere, but I was like, wow, that was, he didn't have to do that. Okay. He did not have to do that. And he chose to do that. And so I really, really, really appreciate Colin doing that. And I'm going to, I'm going to say a lot. I, the other thing I did hear this gentleman, uh, Chris saying is, oh, I mentioned it on my show. And all of a sudden you got double patrons chris when you mentioned it i had only been launched for 72 hours that's why i only had six i'd only mentioned it on one show when you went on that big rant it's crazy that you listen to every one of my shows so quickly that you say you don't listen to anyone else's podcast whenever it's funny in psychology whenever someone says something twice and they say it sternly so when when you hear him say i don't listen to anybody else's podcast i don't i don't I don't. I don't. And you get something that really I don't that really high voice. It's like you're lying. The only if you didn't listen to other people's podcast, you say, no, I don't listen to other people's pocket. You wouldn't feel the need to keep. It's like if my wife said to me, did you eat the last of the no sugar, no lactose ice cream, chocolate ice cream out of the freezer? And I go, me? No, I wouldn't do. But that doesn't sound like something I would do, does it? Oh, my God. Someone's calling on the phone. All right. It's probably Kaneda. He knows. He hadn't talked about me enough today. He's really excited to continue the conversation. Anyways, who else can I thank here since my last show? Let's see here. Tim, the Lion Man Lee. And then we jump right up into Shane T. Thank you, Shane T. And then Rusty, of course. And thank you so much to everybody who joined. I really appreciate it. Like I said, I couldn't care if not a single other person joins. This is already a success. Do you know how hard it is? I would have to sell about $1,200 of coffee on the show over three months to even come close to Canada really wants to talk to me. Who is it? OK, we'll go out there, maybe. All right. I think that is my oldest son calling about the Terry Fox tomorrow. There is a tiny chance that he wins it, even though it's not a race. He will be running forward, though. I will be running backwards, not only because my mom loves comedy, not only because I love comedy, not only because I'm Freddie got in the shower with Orby. He talks about the backwards man. You can't walk backwards as fast as I can. Tom Green, I can walk backwards as fast as you. And tomorrow I'm going to be doing three minutes of walking, then three minutes of jogging to get the Guinness World Record for the only person to do the distance of 13.1 kilometers backwards. So it doesn't even matter how slow I am because no one else has actually put that in. Of course, it's not going to be a Guinness World Record because I'm not actually contacting them, paying the thousands of dollars to certify. But who knows? Maybe I will when I sell the homestead, when I sell the farm, so to speak. Listen, if you or your friends have a man crush on Orby, just tell him just like he's very, very happily married. OK, he's just not interested right now. Platonically, you want to be my friend. Platonically, totally cool. But platonic buddies usually don't talk about them in the shower that many times in one show. Do you know what I mean? Especially in the way you were like even my best friend, Matt, who was talking on the phone last night. I am going to Maple Pinball. We know I couldn't afford Expo. The cat's out of the bag. But I am using some of my Patreon money to go out to the very last week in November. They're going to have the Ontario Open. It's the largest tournament in Ontario. It also is the second largest tournament in all of Canada. I think it's capped at 70 or 80 players. Hurry up and get your tickets if you want to play with me, by the way. I don't expect to win any of them. Jeff Teoles was joking with me about that. Like, oh, you're going to come in and win? No, no, no. I do have glasses now, so I should be more accurate. um you know my nudging skills are decent you know that kind of thing who cares i'm not going for the pinball i'm going because like last year laser low so number eight player in the world was here and i got to talk to him and i got to play with him and i was beating him to the third ball on an old em and like i get to go because i'm going to get to see one of my like the second best nudger on on earth sean russell i'm going to get to see my buddy mike dynas of pinball shenanigans i'm going to get to see melvis megaphone i'm going to get to see jeff teolas um there's just so many people there that i get julie dorster's been on my show like five times right i'm going to get to see so many old pinball friends from back home that I used to hang out with multiple times a week. That's why I'm going. I'm also going because I haven't seen my dad and my sisters and my nieces and nephews, now even my brother for 18 months, and I'm really missing everybody. So I will tell you this, no matter what anyone does else to make fun of my Patreon or make fun of my money, I will most likely be having more fun than any other pinball nerd on planet Earth when I get to go home for a week like that. And I can't wait for it. It's going to be incredible. And thank you to all the patrons for doing that and just for you listening to this show if you can't afford to do my patreon or just you already have too many other patrons or you don't want to do patreon i don't care you listen to the show it's good enough from here on out i'm going to go out out out of my way to make sure that i don't mention any more negative nancies or debbie downers we're going to wave the white flag and uh i'm going to go on with my weekend and i'm going to go do a really cool event for charity tomorrow uh and and i'm not asking for any donations for it or anything like that. I'm not going to drink. I'm not going to drink. I'm not going to drop a lot. I'm not going to drop a link for my patron. Y'all can find it if you want to just Google pinball nerds podcast patron. Now here's the thing. I do have it set up as 18 only because there's a lot of stuff I said about a certain podcaster and on another show that I did that the stern rant that I just don't want to share with absolutely everybody out there. I'm just not comfortable sharing with everybody. And I just, I don't speak like that anymore on this podcast. I've tried very hard. I've had I probably have five or six friends now reach out and say, hey, I listened to this in the car with my daughter. My son loves you. My son loves the show. I had another guy at the last tournament last week, and that was like, Orby, my son's playing you in finals. This is so cool. This is a story for me because he's either heard of me or heard my show. I didn't specifically say, like, how many of my shows have you listened to, sir? But his son was playing me in finals to go to the top four. So he was, like, stoked, and that was really cool. And he whipped my butt, and I lost, and I'm okay with that. Anyways, I know I was cheering on. Whenever my sons are playing against someone in a tournament, I'm obviously cheering them on and really stoked for them when they win. So for me as a guy who's already won, I've already done my thing. One time once if you win your province or straight, that's pretty rad. If you do it five or six times, that obviously means more. But if you do it once and after that, I don't care if some little kid, like 12, 14-year-old kid beats me who's playing very well, and him and his dad love pinball and that's the thing they do together. That's beautiful. if you can manage to get your kids into pinball that's incredible it's been so enriching to my life like so many times when my wife and I are going on day trips every Sunday we hang together as a family even with my oldest son moving out and we will always talk a little bit of pinball into it it'll never be all about pinball but like if we're going to a town to go for a you know a nice meal and there happens to be a craft brewery there we'll go for a couple craft beers and if there's an arcade nearby I'll have a rule with my wife I'll say three games or half an hour whatever it takes longer. And she might go and go shopping at a vintage store, go check out antiques or go to a greenhouse and get some awesome, some more. Man, she's made the homestead look incredible this year. I've got to guess, like they say that the landscaping of your property increases the value by five to 10%. Well, if you have seven and a half acres in the middle of nowhere and your wife has as much of a green thumb as mine, she's probably increased the value of our property by like 10%. so I'm not even joking like say our house was worth I don't know 350 before in the last year just all the work her and I've done could have brought up another 35k so hey who knows maybe we don't make a lot of money but it's not always about how much you make it's about how much you spend and it's about the quality of time that you spend with your family and friends on that note I'm going to let you back to your Sunday and I'm going to go enjoy mine if I'm you can still hear my throat is very hoarse even with this beautiful mic uh I'm going to let y'all go I hope you have a wonderful Sunday. I want to be drama free for a long time. Uh, the one, there was another content creator. I'm going to talk about later that did say that. No, I don't listen to that person. Cause all they do is rant or something to that extent. And it's like, no, I don't. I've done 642 shows. I ranted today for like five seconds as a joke in the middle. Um, he waved the white flag. I waved the white flag, fully dressed, Chris, fully dressed, but hashtag man crush. Take it easy. Uh, Sabrina Carpenter is beautiful. Okay. Okay. Uh, let's just keep thinking and talking about Sabrina Carpenter, not Orby in the shower. So anyways, go spend the day with your family. Go spend the day with your friends. Try to sneak in some pinball. It doesn't have to be the main thing of your day. Try to get a little bit in here, a little bit in there when you can. Make a deal with, I won't just say your wife, but your partner, your friend, your family member, whoever you're out there with, husband, whoever. Make a deal with them and say, hey, I'll toss you 20 bucks if you want to go to something you're more interested in. Go to a bakery and find the best cupcakes or something like that. And I'm just going to play some pinball. So anyways, pinball nerds thank you thank you thank you this is you guys can't see this is the biggest smile i've ever had on my face after being literally pushed by kale hernandez retro ralph and jamie birchall into getting the patreon it has worked that was my biggest fear for starting patreon was that i would get like two or three or like i was made fun of for being pathetic uh i would only get six wow what a guy i would only get six after like months and instead i'm at 20 i could have never in my wildest dreams. I think I said I wanted to get 10, 15 or 20. And I said like within three months and I'm already there. So I couldn't be more grateful to everyone who is subscribed. And I want to keep making that valuable content behind the paywall. But I also don't want to talk about drama stuff anymore. And I don't rant all the time. I ranted on episode and I can tell you right now, I ranted on episode like 96 or 97. I had to delete it. That was, yeah, against Kaneda. Surprise, surprise. We've been battling for eight years here. He's literally been disproportionately rude to me for eight years. For eight years, I've turned a cheek. No more cheeks left to turn. Damn it. I can't mention that to someone who has a crush on me. Okay. No cheeks, no turning of cheeks, no turning of hands, no turning of anything. Have yourselves a wonderful Sunday. Until next time, Pimple Nerds, remember to eat, sleep, and breathe. Chris, too cool for school for us.

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