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Oh, God. here we're straight down the middle a pinball show got my buddy Zach here what are we doing today Zach that's not bad we'll go with that we're gonna do the review of Tron legacy yes yes Greg opened I like it thank you buddy actually it didn't feel good at all I was like that's my job now you know what happens when you're over there not ready I know picking my nose okay Tron I own Tron yes have you played a lot of Tron a little bit I've got you to buy Tron you sort of innocent you talked me into buying Tron and then you were like after I bought it and put all the money in and you're like you're gonna lose your ass on that one thanks bud thank you so Tron legacy came out here by Stern yes and I found a new in box when you guys probably seen the unboxing video coach is kind of awesome it was really cool yeah being able to open it yeah out of box scary it's one for some reason I always avoided Tron I think I get a when I first got into pinball I played it and it didn't do much for me oh really yeah I was avoided it because I thought it looked kind of ugly I just wasn't big I'm plus they were fetching so much like and I never put a lot into what somebody else necessarily says that's pretty popular and everybody was talking about it stuff but there's a lot of fad yeah kind of game and it wasn't really mode based yeah the story for me so I stayed away from it yeah and then I really stayed away from it all the way up to buying one yeah so I went over to my buddy hoagies he had a game night I went over there and it was like the only game that I played and I told days again Zach I'll give Zach the rundown I was like yeah I played the hell out of that Tron really and then it kind of just kept telling him about everything and then here he ends up you know you're reading me kind of kind of thinking about getting a tron then we see tuna plate on Saturday for Buffalo and and those guys are always talking it up yeah it kind of influenced me yeah and I do everything that other people tell me to do and what's cool so so I thought it's wrong so let's go to me showing you guys the over unless you want to do an overview no not of that you did a good job with walking you know one very good I stuck it out and made it happen I thought it was good let's go to myself I'll give you guys an overview of the machine itself the art package to the layout some of the rules I'm not a total rules master so I'll try my best then we'll come back and Greg and I will review it rank it alright guys Tron it's made back in 2011 by Stern let's go over the basic layout here she's pretty all right this is a three flipper game by John Borg coated by lime and sheets got your bottom two flippers and your third flipper. Okay, from left to right let's start it off. Stand up targets right here responsible for essentially super spinners, super bumpers and double scoring. You've got a left orbit that's gonna shoot you all the way to the spinner and back through the pops. Alright, next left ramp. It's going to go up and it's going to come back safely to your right flipper. Remember when you guys are playing that that's That's a gimme for the clue targets. The clues are the inlanes, C, L, and U. So when it's coming in there, get it off of that U so that you can at least get the clue going. All right, one of the funnest shots in the game is that quarter shot. It's a little horseshoe that comes back around and then you can hit that right flipper or that third flipper either into the all punishing gym shot or that ramp that ramp is going to come up and go right around safely to your left flipper right in the middle here you'll see the bash toy which is a three bank target once you hit those that will lower and you've got a you've got a spinning disc back there. The spinning disc will wreak havoc on the ball to make it shoot out fast, shoot out slow motion, all the sorts. Now this gym shot, check this out. This gym shot right there can be hit either with that third flipper. That's a nice tight little shot. I'll see if I can get in. There it is. There's that shot. So you see you've got a lot of stuff in the way there. The gym shot can also be hit by banking it from that right flipper all the way up to the O or the N. BAM! It'll bounce right in there and then it'll come back around here. The gym shot can also be hit by the plunge. Whenever you're plunging the ball if you get it just right over this little ledge here it will kick over. It will jump right back over there. It's a hard one but that's usually what I go for when I'm plunging the ball. You've got your traditional pops. Then you've got your right orbit through the pops. John Borg loves that and it is a tough, tough shot but very satisfying because it will feed that flipper where you can hit that ramp again. Alright, you've got your scoop shot. That's basically you're starting your modes that way. You're starting your mini wizard mode. You're starting the multi balls. starting portal everything comes through that the importance of that shot as well whenever you're getting combos going you'll see a bright flasher around this area right under that flim when that's lit you need to off the flyer off the fly there hit it into the scoop to build up your jackpot in the line jackpot it's hard to do but if you're doing tournament play that's what you're going to want to focus on okay now the plunge is unique here because when you're plunging the ball it goes over this where's that gate at here's that gate right there that one-way gate it'll stop it so if it doesn't go up all the way if you go up all the way that post is going to pop up unless you hold your left flipper and then you can get it to go all the way around to try to shoot that side ramp but if not it can come back bounce on that and try to roll in there Really cool Flynn's Arcade is also there as well. It's essentially a mystery. It'll give you progress towards your different modes. The stand-up targets in this game, I'll spell out Z-U-S-E. There's Zeus. That's one of the modes. So let's go through it. Basic gameplay on this. It is a lot of fun and the code is as follows. Each shot, you'll see the insignias on each shot. You've got Clue there, Light Cycle, Disc and each shot has their own. Cora, Clue, Light Cycle, Disc. Each shot has those. So if you hit them enough, you activate that mode. Such as Flynn, then you work your way up to Jim, Clue, Zeus, Cora, Disc, Light Cycle, recognizer Tron portal. All right. I've never seen that one lit up. All right. So you try to hit Flynn so many times, get that mode going to complete it. Jim, I think you have to shoot it two or three times to get started. Then once to complete it. Clue is those inlanes that I was talking about. You light all clue inlanes, shoot the scoop and it starts clue shot. And then you just essentially have to hit all the shots that have the clue mask on them. Cora, or no, Zeus. Zeus kind of starts itself because if you're crappy like me at pinball, you'll hit those stand-up targets all day long. You just keep hitting those. Cora is that beautiful shot right there, which I find very, very tough. Hit that so many times, you get Cora multiball. The disc is the recognizer spinning disc in there. I'm not sure how many times you have to hit that, but once that bank comes down, you You have to hit it so many times in there to start disc multiball. One of the cool things about disc multiball is once you do start it and you get down to your last ball, you can restart that by hitting the disc again. Cora multiball, whenever you hit that and activate Cora multiball, if you hit that drop bank, I think two or three times it will add a ball. Light cycle, that one's pretty easy to start. hit enough of the flowing shots in the game, you'll activate light cycle multiball, hit the scoop. It's cool because of the ramps. Each one turns a different color like the different light cycles. Recognizer. What was the recognizer? I'm not sure. I hit it usually. I think that's the same thing. You just get that thing down. Tron. Tron of these. You You hit those enough and you get Tron going. So if you start a mode and get through the ball without completing the mode, they stay flashing. If you start a mode and you complete the mode, it will stay lit. Whenever you start at least every single mode, you can hit the scoop shot to activate Sea of Simulation, which is the mini wizard mode. Now on that mini wizard mode, it's really cool because it'll start down at Flynn. If you have Flynn complete, DMD is going to say $1,000,000 bonus. If you have Jim complete, usually that's the crux of this whole ladder, then it will give you $2,000,000. And then if you have Clue, it will give you $3,000,000. Regardless, whatever your first mode that you have not completed, see a simulation will start there. Let's say we have Flynn completed and Jim completed. It's going to start Clue. All your Clue shots will be lit. If you complete all of those, it's going to jump back up to Zeus if that hasn't been completed. and so forth. If you complete all the modes, whether it's in or not in that C simulation, you will start Portal Witch as the wizard mode. I think that's about it. This is a beautiful example of Tron all decked out. This is how they should look. All right, guys, Greg and I are going to go back to the table and talk about and review Tron. okay here we are back zach gave a wonderful wonderful overview of that trial what can i say his rules are getting better and better oh no now that's pressure because we haven't recorded that yet oh thanks buddy all right let's let's start with art art gregory how do you feel about art on truck it's a beauty right no out of the box no no and then this was a problem like we we sort of talked about this. Uh, I ended up giving it a C plus. Um, I think it's a little above average only because of the side art. The back glass is, it's okay. I really don't like your 3d one. I know people are going to flame me over that, but like, I'm not a big on the 3d one, but the play field, the play girls one. Yeah, it's not bad. I'll take any of them. I like that one. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's nice. Like clue version. That's my favorite. Yeah. It, it's just nothing spectacular, but it fits the game. I do think the cabinet art is beautiful. That is wonderful, isn't it? But the play field sucks. And again, play field is like 80% of what you're looking at and seeing. Yeah, I don't like the play field. Okay, well, I'm kind of with you. I'm going to B-. And I actually think, sorry to cut you off, I actually think it's like, okay, if you look at it, it's plain. You say, well, you know what? You really like Star Trek. Star Trek is plain. But Star Trek, it fits better. There's not the faces and stuff on it. It's the faces and stuff. That washed out. Yes, and I just hate it. that clip art like I hate it just don't don't do it so I think Star Trek is a way more phenomenal looking playfield now when we're talking over also talking plastics and stuff too yeah it's all okay it's okay C plus is nothing to be ashamed of it'll get you through school do you know from experience oh I was the kind of kid that came home with a B and my dad would be like, son, great job. But that's why you are a professional. You're a professional. And I'm a blue collar. Hey, kid. I'm a blue collar hard working man. I'm a blue collar guy. Nope, you're all white. I'm a white collar. White collar. Really? Oh, he's proud of it. Look at him. He's like, thank you, Greg. I'm going to try to play this off. I'm down in the trenches digging ditches and shit. Yeah. You know. I get my hands dirty with these fingernails. They're dirty. My wife laughs at him every time he tries to be a man on the point of saying I got tools. I know how to build things. Tools? My wife's like Your wife's like he is a tool. It is. Whatever. Okay, no more fashion Zach. No, bring it. Remember. Okay. So what do you so is that all you have to say about art? Yeah, you pretty much covered it. The play field is it's not the print quality that I would like or not the DPI or not the resolution that I would like. I think that's what kills it, and that's why I'm going to B-. Let's go shots and layout. This thing shoots like an effing turd, right? Nope. Shoots fantastic. Shoots fantastic. We're both A-s. Both. What made it not an A-plus or an A for you? That's tough. That is tough to say. I would say it's just hard to rank it. It's just hard to say. It's not fun factor. it's just still I don't know because it's not clunky the shots are smooth for me it's just for me I think shots and layout is there are times that I get it on that left flipper and I don't know what to do with it there's the scoop there's the spinning disc but through the pops is a pain in the butt and if that the barrier or the through the three bank is up that's it that's a a chump shot. You shoot that, you're going straight down the middle. It is a phenomenal shooter. It's an A- for me. I love that core shot. The gym shot is one of the most satisfying shots of pinball. That right or that third flipper ramp and then locking it in to your... I think it's maybe some of the tough... I don't know. Man, that's going to bother me now about why. It can't be an A. Not everything can be an A+. No. When you go to play that, it is not the smoothest smoothest game No yeah There some fast shots But yeah there just something There tight shots so there some clunk Yes Okay Yeah I think that might nail it But man that core shot You know what, guys? I have a harder time hitting that core shot than I do the gym shot. And I think I'm the only one out there like that. Really? It is really tough, yeah. I have a hard time shooting that core shot. Now, I can get the gym shot either banking it off the O-N on the Tron stand-ups, or I can hit it coming off that side flipper. but man oh man that core shot is nasty it's on a weird part of the that's what borg's so good at john borg is the designer of this game he always makes those weird weird shots on the inside of that flipper yeah it's tough you have to have a lot of power that's a tough one all right let's go to rules i kind of like the rules i get it a minus yeah i'm in an a as well uh the rules are what i love about this game um unlike metallica it's very similar to metallica where you have to shoot this shot so many times yes you have to shoot this shot so many times but here's what's better about tron is that you go for mini wizard mode and you go for wizard mode uh in metallica it's the crank it up stuff which is fine but the thing that i love and i don't know if any other machine let us know if any other machine does this but when you start the mini wizard mode greg there are and then this is more this is rules and code when you start the mini wizard mode there is a ladder of modes or things to do right am i boring you there's a ladder of things to do if you've completed that in the regular regulation game yeah it stays lit if you have not completed that but started it it blinks you have to get at least all of them blinking to get to the mini wizard once you get into that mini wizard what it starts at the bottom if you've completed that it gives you a jackpot it moves up to the top if you completed that gives you two million if you go up and complete that one. But for the ones you haven't completed, that's what your mini wizard mode is for. It starts out at the one you haven't completed, and you can complete that mini wizard mode to get to the wizard mode. Nothing else does that. Yeah, no, it's pretty cool. I love that. I do enjoy it. It's very intuitive. It is. Very intuitive. I'm surprised more machines don't do that. Yeah. I love that. So for me, if you're not going to have a journey mode-based game, that is exactly the kind of code that I want. So you like it a lot better than Metallica. code yes yes i do my idea it's very much it is better okay let's go anything you want to add on uh rules for the most part it's it's a player's game yeah it's fun building up those jackpots is essential for tournament play yeah um and you do the combos combo shots and locking it into the scoop which is tough it is tough but i do like that it's me it's a different game yeah and it's not full-blown like crazy rule set no no it's not like thrones or it's it's like a it's like trusty table yeah there's nothing fancy it's not a throne but it it's a good old built table that will never do you wrong right I was trying to think of an example really quick that's a good hard-working tables nothing fancy just F off great all right toys and innovation toys and innovation you went would you go you're spot-on today buddy toys and innovation and you were kind of harping on toys and innovation you didn't feel like it really did anything no i don't think there's a lot like you considered the el wire you made me consider that on the ramp it should be considered you know you know why the el wire should be considered why because if you get an le it comes standard if you get a pro and don't have it you put it on there anyway you do but i mean that's whatever i'll give you that so thank you okay i see that the spinning disc but you know tell me your argument on spinning disc of why that i was like yeah that's not really my argument is Is that, okay, so there's spinning discs in a lot of games. The cool thing about this is it has that drop bank that comes down first. That's nice. I do like that. And then when you hit it back in there, it's not an open spinning disc. So the ball can't go anywhere. It's like a gun chamber where, boy, oh, boy, that thing gets to firing, and it can do one of two things usually. Either it can, and I think that spinning disc spins faster than any other spinning disc in the game, like whirlwind, twister. I haven't seen that. It'll either throw it as fast as it can out, or it gives it enough English and backspin, that it comes out and it looks like it's in slow motion and then it'll kind of i love it yeah it looks like it's crawling to the flipper real slow and it's like the physics on that spinning disc is amazing that's why i think it's nice i'm gonna be plus and i had to give it a b minus just because it's still not super innovative there's still not a lot of toys there's really nothing on there so i was probably being pretty generous with what i gave it and to me the disc is a lot of disc of Tron. I mean, it fits. And when you do play it, it is a lot of fun. That is a fun toy. It really is. You enjoy it. I don't think it gets old. The flashes go off. I agree. That's really good. But I feel generous. You're generous, this guy. What the hell do you want? What do you want? Like a light cycle flying around on the machine or something? That would be cool, wouldn't it? Alright. Let's go to... And we'll throw in a little bit on Toys in the Innovation for the LE, the recognizer goes left and right a little bit uh who gives a shit that's not that cool not that cool music and call outs this is where you right there yeah you yeah pointing at you you're gonna call this guy out of his freaking gourd when he tells you the rating on music and call it plus there's no way this is any he had a look again he was like i thought it was something way worse. I did. Not that bad. I think you changed it. There's no scribble marks. There's no scribble marks. At a B plus there's no... The grid. Come on. Listen to it. You start modes up. It's like the Daft Punk. The call outs. You're messing with my Zing thing, man. No, look! Yeah, no, no. You guys think he's crazy right now, but I'm not with you. There is no music that's... This is a top five music pin. It's still a B+. That's fantastic. That's a really good grade. There's nothing fantastic about a B+. It's taken me back to my childhood. There's nothing great about a B, Zach. He's going to give everything an A because he's got a complex. A grade complex. complex uh for me music and call outs is an a plus um the only reason that anybody could argue that it is not a perfect coded sound game or music themed game it's because it is not the most technologically advanced audio yes that's the only thing you could argue i think this is where you chose not to argue that point you chose that you're just for some reason don't like that music I think that's very fair. There are subjective things in pinball and opinions. It's just you're dead freaking wrong. You're not even close. It almost angers me, actually, that you would rate this a B+. It doesn't take much. God. Let's move on because that's stupid. I'll hear about it all the way home. It's an A+. Who doesn't like the music on Tron? A B-plus is not not liking it. I want to make a sound. Yeah, because it don't like you. Theme. yeah B plus B plus yeah I like Tron in a nutshell you should do a review one time by yourself theme and interest yeah you know enjoyability I enjoy it B plus huh yeah I mean you know like I like the movies okay do you yeah okay and I like that one I mean they're fun it's good I thought the original movie sucked really I had a hard time watching it's nice I went back and tried to watch it I was like it's not great but I mean it's nice I like this one better But, yeah, I mean, it's just not one of my top themes. But I do enjoy it. I don't hate it. So you read a B+. Some other pins. I think it's fair. It wouldn't keep me from buying it. I got you. For me, theme, I don't really care about Tron. Then why did you give it such a high A? I gave it an A. Why? I'll tell you why. Because Tron belongs in pinball. Tron belongs in gaming It is the perfect pinball theme So that why I had to rank it an A I don know if it perfect but High fast light show music extraordinary Yeah, I mean, it does fit. A history of arcade and Tron. I'm busting your balls, but I do understand what you're saying. It is the perfect theme. It does fit, just the speed. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not... It's more perfect a theme than it should matter what I care about. So that's why I ranked it. It's nice. A lot of people would agree with you. I don't. But it's all good. I think a lot of people would. Yeah. I do too. I'm being honest. Sincere. Sincerity? Yeah. Over here. That's what I got. Let's move on to Enjoyability, our newest. That's the theme for Enjoyability. We're both at A's. Yes. Because it is a lot of fun. It's a really fun game. It's one of the most fun games I've ever played. Everything comes together really well on this machine. I think so. The code, the music, the layout. It's just a fun shooter. It looks good. Some of the shots can be overly frustrating. But it's still just fun. It's a lot of fun. It's very hard. It is. It's an ass kicker. It is an ass kicker. But it's not like Ghostbusters hard. It's not like Walking Dead hard. No, if you're losing it, it's because of your own error. Yeah. It's a fair game. It's very fair. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. This is one that I have a hard time pinpointing. Because it's not like what you've talked about. No, I think it's just because it's a solid package. Yeah, with Pirates, about how it's just magical and there's different things. It's like, I just, yeah, it's just, everything comes together with this. That's exactly right. And that's what makes it fun. Like, you can't, I don't think you can pinpoint one particular thing, whether it be rules or whether it be shots or whether it be anything. It just, it's a nice package. It's a nice, it's a nice conglomerate. What are you doing with your hands there? Pinball machine. Is that a double cut? It's just a nice formulation of pinball. Okay. Yeah. Enjoyability. I think we kind of include last ability in that ranking and enjoyability. I think it would be the last. This is a game that kind of sticks. The only reason I would consider and could be getting rid of this is just for the next flavor of the year. Oh, yeah, yeah. When you've got a limited collection. If you guys are trying to consider whether or not you'd like a Tron, I'd say full force go ahead. I would too. Pull the trigger. It is a great, great machine. Portal, the wizard mode is really tough to get to. But see a simulation, that mini wizard mode. That's not bad. You can get to it. Yeah. one out of five ten games yeah you see a simulation yeah a portal is a son of a bitch to get to the never got to portal I like it gonna get there before it leaves ball now I won't do that oh you got to just at least say it because it is attainable it's not cheating if you don't load about it yeah but it's different than last man standing that's not attainable in three before it's not so no it's not the portal is actually attainable you can get there last man My standing is almost not achievable on pinball. Almost not. Yeah. It's like at our time. That's a riff one. Yeah. All right. So when we put our composites together, Mr. Gregory, we come out. You were in a B plus, 3.33. I think that's very fair. GPA. Very fair. And I was in A minus 3.71. I think that is very fair. I think we did a good job. Not far off. Not far off. For all the dogging I got, we're not far off. Dude, because you freaking music a B plus. I'll even take your art and a C plus but music and messages you got to with art you can't complain about that so A minus B plus it's a keeper it's a good game it is definitely a keeper because I know some people who've had them and then like okay you know Spider-Man yeah I miss Spider-Man a little bit Star Trek especially I miss Star Trek a little bit I want it back but a lot of people DSD same thing people are like yeah you know I really regret getting it this game though people are like God I wish it would have never left. I got it back and it's never going to leave again. Bolted to the floor. Exactly. So that's what's unique about this game. So definitely a key point. Let's talk about the pros and cons. So the pros, we've already covered the pros. Yes. Cons, I think. Price. Would be price. Would also be art. Yes. Art. Price and art. And another con is they might vault this thing. I think it's a fun game and I think that it's definitely worth owning. but at the same time I think at the price you're paying for it you can get a lot of other outstanding games but if you've ran through those games if you haven't owned a Tron get the Tron if you've ran through some of the other stuff so a nice loaded down Tron a pro is going to run you about $75,000 to $8,000 loaded loaded loaded you can pick them up cheaper than that you can pick them up for $65,000 routed nice if you can get one for $7,000 that's got the EL wires yeah it's good good pull the trigger I don't understand the le price on them because those things are like nine thousand ten thousand I don't know it's just chrome in the process of chrome plate yeah and make that's all so I don't get the le unless you're a big Tron collector and you want to have that collect yes bro is sufficient okay that's about it great anything you want to tell these fine fine people that are watching our videos now what do you want me to West was tell something this support reset thank you guys we We appreciate your support. 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