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The Pinball Show Ep 23: 3:10 To Den Den

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 13m·analyzed·Jul 27, 2020
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TL;DR

Stern accessories/toppers discussion, JJP Guns N' Roses rumor, George Gomez interview insights.

Summary

The Pinball Show hosts Zach Minney and Dennis Creasel discuss industry news including a Guns N' Roses pinball machine rumor from Jersey Jack Pinball, code updates for TMNT and Elvira's House of Horrors at Stern, and a detailed breakdown of a Super Awesome Pinball Show interview with George Gomez about Stern's accessory and topper design philosophy. The hosts debate plastic vs. metal ramps, game layout aesthetics, and collector preferences, with tangential stories about horses in Alaska.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack Pinball's next machine will be Guns N' Roses, based on a birthday message to Slash

    medium confidence · Ken Rudberg (TPN Industry News correspondent) reports that Jersey Jack Pinball posted a message wishing 'our friend Slash a rockin' birthday,' which community members interpret as confirmation of Guns N' Roses pinball

  • Stern has three production lines: one for TMNT, one for backlog games, and a smaller line for tweaks and repairs

    medium confidence · Zach reports from George Gomez interview on Super Awesome Pinball Show; notes uncertainty about what the smaller repair line entails

  • George Gomez's first designed game was Corvette, which featured a third flipper and plastic ramps

    medium confidence · From George Gomez interview; Zach notes Dennis hasn't heard this part yet, indicating this is new information from the interview

  • Stern acknowledged that UV kits for Stranger Things did not sell to a majority of buyers but 'flew off the shelves' despite criticism

    high confidence · Zach paraphrasing George Gomez from Super Awesome Pinball Show interview; Gomez explicitly discussed the paradox of minority adoption with high sell-through

  • Stern is planning more toppers with code integration in the future

    high confidence · George Gomez mentioned plans to have more toppers with code in future productions

  • Designers and design teams are creating toppers and accessories alongside game development but it's difficult to manage

    high confidence · George Gomez interview discussion about accessory development process at Stern

Notable Quotes

  • “The entire team at Jersey Jack Pinball would like to wish our friend Slash a rockin' birthday.”

    Jersey Jack Pinball (via Ken Rudberg/TPN correspondent) @ Early in industry news segment — Cryptic birthday message interpreted by community as confirmation of Guns N' Roses pinball machine

  • “as much shit as we got those things flew off the shelves”

    George Gomez (reported by Zach) @ During George Gomez interview discussion — Acknowledges UV kit accessories faced criticism but sold well despite low adoption rate among buyers

  • “I think that they would look at you more in a marketing realm, a sales realm, but never as a designer.”

    Dennis @ Mid-episode banter about Zach becoming an accessories designer — Playful critique of Zach's design capabilities in context of Stern accessory expansion

  • “I want your gun. I'm killing this horse.”

    Zach (recounting his mother's reaction to the horse incident) @ Horse story section — Dramatic moment in personal anecdote about riding accident in Alaska

  • “I could see keeping [Jurassic Park Lost World] for a while...The problem is, if it's just this one, it does not match up height-wise or depth-wise with any other pins.”

    Zach @ Game collection discussion — Reveals aesthetic collector preferences about game uniformity and display standards

Entities

Jersey Jack PinballcompanyStern PinballcompanyGeorge GomezpersonZach MinneypersonDennis CreaselpersonSuper Awesome Pinball ShoworganizationSlashpersonMarco Vinciperson

Signals

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    business_signal: Stern operating three distinct production lines: TMNT mainline, backlog line, and smaller line for repairs/tweaks

    medium · George Gomez interview mentions three lines; Zach notes uncertainty about repair line specifics; damaged-in-shipment games return to Stern for dealer-liable repairs

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern investing in accessory and topper development process, conceptualizing alongside game design

    high · George Gomez interview discusses accessory design as integral to game development; acknowledged challenge of managing concurrent priorities

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Star Wars positioned at premium price point with visual appeal as key differentiator, but Sarlacc Pit hole mechanics criticized for gameplay impact

    medium · Zach notes premium pricing justified by Star Wars name and visual design; Dennis notes massive hole mechanics similar to Super Mario Brothers, expecting negative gameplay feedback

  • ?

    design_philosophy: George Gomez prefers metal ramps over plastic in certain contexts but used plastic due to Bill of Materials constraints; planning future use of specific ramp designs

    high · George mentioned Corvette ramp design he'd like to use again in future; acknowledged plastic ramps faster but has aesthetic preferences

  • ?

    personnel_signal: George Gomez confirmed as key design authority at Stern overseeing accessory strategy and production planning

    high · Extended interview with Gomez on Super Awesome Pinball Show discussing design processes, production lines, and future accessory plans

Transcript

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0:00
The Pinball Network is online. Launching The Pinball Show. Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle.
0:20
It's time for The Pinball Show. It's pinball with personality. And away we go, back into the pinball show, episode 23 with your hosts Zach Minney and Dennis Creasel. Dennis, happy Monday. Yeah, it's my favorite day. Is it really? No, it's no one's favorite day. You seem like a Monday guy. No, Monday, yeah, why would you say that? Maybe just the unorthodox nature. I don't try and just go around being contrary. I seem like a Friday kind of fella. Yeah. No? if you were a day of the week Dennis what day would you be I'm not answering that that's a stupid question hmm are you a leap day you said a day of the week not a date well because you're being contrarian again damn it I'm not being contrarian you asked a what if that is so you asked a what if that is so if you could be a color what color would you be oh absolutely gray what does that mean I'm gray with a little flare of yellow every now and then See, I know these answers. Feed yourself. In a stupor. I'm trying to think. I think I'd be a, Friday's an easy day. Sunday's a nice relaxing day. Yeah, because we don't record a whole bunch of shit on Sunday. Sunday sucks. It's one of my least favorite days. It truly is. People are like, oh, what are you doing today, man? Oh, I don't know. I'm editing a podcast for the next fucking eight hours. Yeah, no, it's one of those things where it's like, I got up this morning. I'm not going to say it was like, ugh, I groaned. But it's just like I got up and I thought, oh, yeah, that's right. It's Pinball Show and Eclectic Gamers today. Oh, I know what I'm doing all day. I think I'd be a Thursday. I think I'd be a Thursday because I really like Thursday because you know Friday's coming. Friday's usually your ass end of it. You know, you shit your way through work, and then you've got the weekend. What did you do this last week? Anything fun? No, nope. I did not do anything fun.
2:26
When you're having some fun, the party's just begun, but then here comes Danny Downer. I hate you. By default, you're Monday, Damon, if you're not going to answer. Well, you can try and do what you want. Listener, what day of the week are you?
Corvette
game
Jurassic Park Lost Worldgame
Star Warsgame
TMNT (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)game
Elvira's House of Horrorsgame
Stranger Thingsgame
Scali's Restaurantlocation
  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern planning increased topper and accessory integration with code in future releases

    high · George Gomez discussed plans for more toppers with code; acknowledged UV kits sold despite minority adoption

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Jersey Jack Pinball birthday message to Slash interpreted as confirmation of Guns N' Roses pinball machine

    medium · Community interpretation of 'our friend Slash' message; Ken Rudberg calls it a 'worst-kept secret'; JJP has history of quick shipping after announcements

  • ?

    technology_signal: Stern increasing integration of code-driven toppers and accessories as standard features rather than optional add-ons

    medium · George Gomez discusses plans for more toppers with code; notes UV kit reception despite initial criticism

    • 2:45
    Don't waste our time reading that. We're not even going to follow up on that, so please don't email. Speaking of follow up, remember my premonition last week? Yes. Now, it did not come true. Now, I said five stubbed toes, I believe. Not four, not six. I think I said five, if I recollect correctly. But we did get four. We got four stubbed toes. And, ew, some people actually sent pictures. Gross. One guy, unfortunately, it looked like a stub. I said it was a Category 3 stub. He said, no, that was a break. He broke his toe. Ouch, the big one too. That's bad. But you know what? Actually, I'm thinking about it. My premonition did come true, Dennis, because I stubbed my toe yesterday. That's five. Probably did it on purpose. Just so that I was right. Yeah, why not? Would this be a stub? I got into the coat closet and a broom head fell and hit my little pinky toe. Is that a stub? I mean, normally I wouldn't count that because I always think a stub is when you actually swing the toe into something, not when you drop something on it. Using the toe as a weapon. Yeah, well, it's just like you inadvertently bang the toe against something. Your toe did no wrong here. Oh, so it was a toe bang. Well, you just dropped something on it. Oh, it hurts so bad. Maybe 4.5. We were close. What's coming up this week in Premonitions? You know what this week I'm going for? We've had the flat tires. I'm sorry, people. This week, we're going to get red sauce on the shirt.
    4:30
    Huh? Ever had that happen? I like how you called it red sauce. Why? What's wrong with that? It's both the script yet nondescript at the same time. It's very nice. What's that called?
    4:44
    Marinara. No, no. Red sauce. It's a red sauce. So you're just using a broad, like, does ketchup count as a red sauce? That's a red sauce. No, it's a condiment. It's not a sauce. Marinara? Or do you go marinara? I say marinara. Marinara is a red sauce. Spaghetti. Meat sauce is a red sauce. Right, right. Yes, I understand. Meatball? You're keeping it really broad, and even counting ketchup is kind of lame. Is ketchup a sauce? This whole thing, this premonition stuff is stupid. I know that it's going to go away within four episodes, but... We'll see. Yeah, it does. Everything does, but the bloating market trends. Send us a picture of your red sauce shirt. Why do you want photos of people with blood on their tie and stuff? It's stupid. I'm going to accept blood as red sauce. I know there's no news. You bust your nose, you get a red sauce on your shirt. Extra points if you have a white shirt. What else did I? I'm trying to think what else. Oh, my gosh. Look, Baklava in the news here. I took a trip, Nicole and I, on a pin run to one of our friends and customers. Last name is Scali in Cincinnati. And the reason I'm saying his last name is because he took us to his restaurant, Dennis. If you guys are ever in the Cincinnati area, Scali's restaurant, everything is from scratch, handmade.
    6:06
    Phenomenal, phenomenal. It's like he's from New York. So we got a lot of Italian, Sicilian kind of pizzas. But he does pita breads. But anyway, he had us eat everything on the menu. It was so nice, like royalty. But he brought for dessert the baklava. Now, there was two types of baklava. Do you know what two types they would be? Well, I'd assume there would be a traditional and then possibly a chocolate. Interesting. I would have went for the chocolate. No, there was two types, one being, I guess, a walnut base and one being a pistachio base. Oh, okay. I'm just changing the nuts around. Yeah, how about that? Fancy baklava. Yeah, I've heard of it. I don't know if I've had a pistachio-based baklava. I've heard of it, though. Yeah, the thing that kings and queens eat. Pistachio is my favorite nut. I still wasn't much of a fan. Yeah, I figured you weren't. The more I eat it, the more I hate it, to be honest with you.
    7:03
    Tragic. You want to see what the correspondents have drummed up for us? If they've got anything. They probably just made stuff up, but sure. More than likely. Let's listen. It's time for TPN Industry News.
    7:41
    Part of the message stated, quote, The entire team at Jersey Jack Pinball would like to wish our friend Slash a rockin' birthday. As evidenced by the comments underneath these posts, fans believe that this is further confirmation of one of the worst-kept secrets in pinball, that the next JJP machine will be Guns N' Roses. Jersey Jack has made a commitment to ship machines quickly after announcing, so let's hope that this machine is on the line and ready to ship soon. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg. with your Jersey Jack update.
    8:15
    Hey, this is Kaz with American Pinball Update. Want to play Oktoberfest online? Then head over to surrogate.tv's Facebook page or website and you can play Oktoberfest online. The game is located in Finland and you play over the internet to a remotely controlled game. They're going to have tournaments up until August 28th with the top 10 players winning prizes. Also check out JDL Pinball on Twitch. they're streaming Hot Wheels. Search for JDL Pinball. And also, This Week in Pinball has their first takes, where you can go and submit your reviews on Hot Wheels. For American Pinball, this is Brian Kosner.
    8:55
    Summertime is production time. New code keeps on coming, and a couple of pinball recommendations. Hey everyone, Craig here again, the pinball show's Stern News Correspondent. Well, a fairly slow news week again as Stern continues to focus on production and manufacturing for now as they continue to work through their backlog of in-house orders. Meanwhile, back in the office, the coders at Stern do what they do best as more new code dropped again this week, this time for TMNT with code V1.10 and Alvira's House of Horrors with code V.98 as that game nears its mostly finished state as well. Now if you're a fan of airbrush art, do I have a treat for you this week. Be sure to check out German airbrush artist Marco Vinci on Facebook with his new designs for Jurassic Park and TMNT with his custom armor, speaker grills, back box trim, lockdown bars, legs, coin doors, the list goes on. His designs are stunning and create the perfect finishing touch to any Stern Pro, Premium or LE machine. Worth a peek on Facebook for sure to get those maw juices flowing for something a little different. And lastly, a quick podcast shout out this week to another TPN host, Jeff Teolis, for his recent episode of Pinball Profile, where he does a very interesting and entertaining interview with Juana Summers from the IFPA Women's Advisory Board. As you can imagine, Juana is also a huge promoter of pinball in general in the Baltimore, Maryland area, and I found the interview to be very entertaining as Juana is a positive and influential voice in the pinball community. So worth checking out for sure. That's all for this week. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side. All right, so they gave us a little bit there, Dennis. Always nice to hear from the correspondents. We had to go out and get our own news, and it's courtesy of the super awesome Pinball Show. Have you been able to listen to their interview with George Gomez from Stern Pinball? I'm in the interview. That's actually the podcast I'm playing right now, but I could not finish it before we started. Oh, nice. Yeah, I emailed those fellas, and I was like, bravo on that interview. That was a really good take. You hear George Gomez on interviews before, and they're always good, always entertaining and informative. But this one in particular I really liked because they got a lot of accessory and topper talk in there. Yeah, well, amazing. Is that why you're not all the way through it? I mean, I am in that part where he was explaining the UV kit and plans to start having more toppers with code.
    11:37
    How do you feel about that? I feel that a lot of the enthusiasts will react negatively, but they will sell. They will sell, sell, sell. What's wrong with it? Do you think there's just a silent minority that doesn't care and just loves this stuff, but they're not going to be vocal about it? Sure. It sounds like a big, I don't even know if we can call it a minority. Sounds like they're selling that quick. I don't know, because in the interview, for example, George did discuss how for the UV kit for Stranger Things, they did have to do that UV paint job, which was not cheap on every single play field. And he acknowledged they weren't selling to a majority of the buyers. Yeah, that's a good point. So, yeah, it's a minority. But he also said, I think he used, I'm paraphrasing here, he said, as much shit as we got, and he used shit, as much shit as we got those things flew off the shelves yeah so i i think they're going to continue doing it i reached out to those fellas and said nicely done christian was appreciative and as always franchi didn't respond to me man what's the shit on that man's pop tart or something franchi why are you angry bro they also talked about there being three lines currently at stern pinball a turtle's line the backlog line of all the games they're trying to make and then i i found this interesting a smaller line that's more uh responsible for little tweaks and fixes that they've either got coming back or that they're trying to to fix i don't know what it was but i didn't know they took games back i know that if a game is damaged in shipment and the buyer refuses it then it goes back to stern for repair okay and then uh the dealer who's responsible for that basically foots the bill. Is that the term? Foots the bill? Yeah. That's the expression. It foots the bill until the insurance company takes care of it. So maybe that's what they're talking about. I don't know. But they did talk about a huge uptick in accessories in general. I like that they discussed toppers. They said that they like when the designers and the design team, they're creating these things and conceptualizing these toppers and accessories alongside the game development and design. I think that's really smart, but they said it is tough to manage because creators are really busy just trying to get that damn game to cross that finish line of production and launch. The goal is ultimately for those accessories to be available at the game launch. Dennis, do you ever see that ever happening?
    14:07
    I'm skeptical. I could envision it happening, but I think they have to change their process. Like, I don't think necessarily that the game designer should be the one – because of the challenge that they have in working on other games, that that might have to involve having maybe accessory designers instead, separate people who can do it in tandem with the game development. Dennis, do you think Stern Pinball would be interested in myself being an accessories designer? Hell yes. No, I think that they would. That's bullshit. No, I think that they would be interested. I don't think you can design anything, and it's not because you're dumb, but just like it's not your skill set. Are you serious, Clark? How do you know? Because you inflated like an above-ground pool as your solution for water, and that's like the most plebe idea ever. So I think they would look at you more in a marketing realm, a sales realm, but never as a designer. People look at you, and they don't go, oh, yeah, engineer. they they say that guy exudes creativity oh yeah you're very i mean you've got a lot of like pie in the sky ideas pie in the sky topper i want to write down that real quick here yeah write it down pie in the sky okay i think i could be a damn good designer of not only toppers but pinball machines you heard it here cad design here i come yeah you couldn't even bring yourself to learn how to properly use audacity i can't wait i can't wait to see you go into audio i've got my own techniques damn it who needs photoshop when you have microsoft word should i share should i share the the behind the scenes uh tpn discussion about you and the need for vector graphics hey it's always i'm an open book here baby okay i'm just saying that there are there are there are bevy of software packages out there that would be useful to you to know for things that you want to bring to life and you can't be bothered so no i don't see you as a designer please some of my some of my uh cad cad designs for these topics i just see all the files i can't wait for you to learn the programming language to program the interactivity for the topper it's just i can't wait to see i i want to look at your code i'm gonna see how you name your variables uh it's ones and zeros baby i got this no one's just oh my speaking of designing our whole five i got crayons uh our homie gomi did you know he's not really a fan of plastic ramps i had not known that actually that's uh unfortunate do you like a plastic ramp yeah they're faster they are faster and one could argue maybe uh kinetically smoother i mean it depends on what you want to do like for example i agree with the deadpool sword shot not being plastic i think that works very well as metal but true uh i mean try and imagine playing stern star trek and all the ramps were like habit trails it's just it just slow it up i don't see the point well they were what i found interesting they were talking about his just design elements and how he goes about doing games they said that his style is traditionally not a third flipper style and he corrected him and said, well, my first designed game was actually a third flipper. Any guesses as to what that was, Dennis, if you haven't heard it already in the podcast? I have not gotten that far in the podcast. I'm trying to think. Was that Corvette? It was very nicely done. I thought I had once recalled hearing him say that Corvette was his first game. One of my favorite layouts that George Gomez has done, and I will add to that in the observations I've had on Corvette, not only does it have an upper third flipper, but it also has plastic ramps. Yeah, well, I mean, he indicated it apparently, because I didn't hear that part yet either, that he's not a fan of plastic ramps, but Bill of Materials may have mandated plastic ramps on his games, I'm assuming. Yeah it was nice to hear that when he was talking about a Corvette he said that a ramp that he would like to use again in the future And George if you listening to this or anybody at Stern Pinball tell George that that was a great layout So I would very much love to see ramps like that in a game. God, I've got to get a Corvette, man. Every time I find one, they're just not nice. It's okay. I guess I enjoy it more than Indianapolis 500, but I don't love that game. And see that, I think that when you say something like that, Dennis, most people would disagree with you. Like most of the hobby. A lot of people like Indianapolis 500. Corvette is one that people don't give much time to. Doesn't get no love. Well, it should be easy to find then. But it's not. I don't know if they just didn't make very many. I don't know what it is. But trying to find them is tough. And it's got some complex, like the track system on the right probably doesn't have parts out there like a lot of games. and the Corvette engine top and all the hoses. I don't know. I need one of those games. Guys, get me a damn Corvette, a nice one. I don't know. I'm not sure that a DMD game would look good in your lineup. Oh, God, I got so much shit this week for that. Oh, really? God, people are, oh, so DMD, so they're not cool anymore. You don't like Lord of the Rings or Walking Dead. Oh, no, guys. Oh, I thought you loved Ghostbusters. That's not what I meant. I mean as I look over my left shoulder and see all those beautiful stern LEs all with their LCD screens there's really nothing like it yep you went into money many mode so money many you want to sink yourself to the used trash heap I just don't want them sitting next to my LCDs that's all you've said it in a way no one will be upset now you've said it in a way that it's totally soothed all of their offended sensibilities. I think there's collectors out there like that. Like, for instance, another example, so that you all can shit on me this week, I have a very nice example, probably a home use example, of Sega's Jurassic Park Lost World, right? Now, the game itself, I could see keeping for a while. I really quite enjoy it, and it's very difficult. I like it. The problem is, if it's just this one, it does not match up height-wise or depth-wise or anything with the head to any other pins. So I can guarantee you this, listener. This game will be gone if I do not find at least one other Sega Showcase game that can sit next to it. Is that weird?
    20:56
    It sounds like you're the sort of person that if you are making Christmas cookies, you only get out one cookie cutter. The one in the tree, and you just do trees.
    21:05
    I'm not going to make one tree and then all the other ones Santa Claus. No. I've got to have a pair so it looks like I'm not like, what's this weird-ass game? So I'm thinking of an X-Files. I'm thinking an X-Files would go great next to it. I really, X-Files is an underappreciated game. Have you played X-Files? I have. I don't like it. Why? It's all filing cabinet. It's dumb. I don't care for it. Oh, that's right. competition player can't look past the actual fun of the game it's not that good of a game let's just put it that way there are other better segas you could have instead yeah true yeah but which one's with the showcase head you can't say godzilla that's the second series showcase head i like godzilla yeah i like godzilla too but the head starship troopers oh i hate stars i know you We do, but it's got a third flipper. I think it's probably a superior game, though. I'll give you that. But no. Nope. It's hideous. It's ugly. The theme is eh. Baywatch.
    22:08
    It doesn't have a showcase head. And Baywatch. I don't remember which was at the showcase. Space Jam. There we go. Showcase. I don't mind Space Jam. There you go. Problem solved. I'm even interested in the Star Wars trilogy. Go ahead.
    22:20
    I know. You're going to get really tired of that game. And you have to pay a premium because it's Star Wars just for the name, which is so good. It still looks good.
    22:29
    But it's got that damn hole. Does it, though? Yeah, that's the thing. You're going to get the Sarlacc Pit gobble hole size. I mean, I shouldn't call it a gobble hole because it's not really. It comes back into the field. But, yeah, that massive hole, it reminds me of Super Mario Brothers. It had massive holes in the play field, too. You're not going to like playing it. I get it that for you it's really all about visuals because you don't really care about gameplay. I care about gameplay. That's why I like X-Files. It's challenging. It's got a good shot layout. You don't care about gameplay enough, though, to own a single of a game that just doesn't happen to match all the other cookie-cutter game shapes that you've chosen. Hey, look, Dennis Creasel, some of us have standards. And that's one of mine. Well, you know, this game actually should be at seven degrees, not six and a half. I'm sorry. This is your voice. I'm sorry, guys. I can't do it because the heads won't all be exactly the same height if I change the leg lengths on the back. That sounded like a 60s Southern Cowboy. No, that sounded like Zach Minney when he's explaining why all of his games have to be the exact same. Just the leg lengths, if it's that big of a deal.
    23:37
    Get them all the same height. No, it's the heads. It's the heads. You can get them so the heads are all the same height. And what is it with your hate on our Discord everywhere? Everybody hating on my singing. No one. I mean, I shouldn't say no one. That's inaccurate. I'm using hyperbole for folks that don't understand what hyperbole is, which is just exaggeration with deliberate effect. But we have definitely had at least 80% complaint level versus support level. 80% is so bullshit. I think it's higher than 80. I'm being generous. We got the silent, silent majority again. They're not the majority. They love the toppers. They love UV reactive kits. They just don't say anything. You don't sing well. You're kidding me. God. You say Rayon is silent but deadly, and then you expect me not to make farting noises with my mouth? What is this? This is a pinball podcast. This is not about music. And you're just regurgitating other. And you're sticking in massive quantities of music recorded by other artists. It's just not appropriate on multiple levels. The outro musics are solid, man. Oh, I hate the outro music. I especially hate it when you play the outro music and then you stick in outtakes, but the music's so loud you can't even hear the outtakes. No, the music is down. The music is down. You can still hear it. Not down appropriately. Oh, my God. It's way too loud for what it is. I'd hate to see what kind of podcast we'd have if it was up there. We'd have no music. We'd have no fun. We'd have no topper talk. We'd have no pinball. Isn't that why you're here? I don't know. I've heard some pinball podcasts put me to fucking sleep. No, we need a little razzle-dazzle. That's not razzle-dazzle. It's so... Look, speaking of cowboy, you made me sound like a cowboy. You know what? Looking back now, I could have been a pinball designer, but really... I should have been a cowboy.
    25:27
    I should have learned to roll the dice. I bet you you have never been on a horse in your entire life. I have once. Oh, okay. Excuse me. I didn't have any boots on. I want to get like a whole giddy about this. Did I ever tell you about the time a horse fell on me?
    25:43
    Please do. No, I don't want to share it. Was it a pony? It was not a pony. It was a smaller horse, but it was an adult. I think it was a two-year-old. No, it wasn't a Shetland. Or was that a dog? Yeah, yeah. You're thinking of a Shetland. Lassie. I saw a Shetland when I was in England, a place I was staying at. They raised Shetlands. Really? Yeah. A baby pony. Well, I mean, it was an adult, but... How did the horse fall on you, please?
    26:13
    It's not that interesting. Well, so this was years ago in the 90s, like 99, I think. DMD era, yeah. Yeah, DMD era. Yeah, and so I was in Alaska, and we were out in the bush. It was a snow horse? No, I mean, this wasn't during the winter, but... Oh, okay. But they do live on their own in the winter and have to figure out how to survive in the snow. And they don't all figure it out, by the way. Some of these horses are imports, and they don't know how to survive in Alaska. I just hope this story ends with you gutting out a horse and sleeping inside of it. No, no. It was not that extreme. But anyway, so this is my mom's side. They have land out near Denali National Park. And so we were out there, and we were riding. And I don't remember. I think we were going to one of the lakes. so we're all on horses and we were going through what can be charitably described as a marsh okay so we're cutting across the marsh and then on the other side was a steep embankment to get out of the marsh and then start going up the mountain basically so we're all in queue and you know it's one or because there's one because there's trees along the sides there as the marsh wasn't wooded but once you get out of it immediately is so it's one horse at a time and the embankment's kind of crumbly and stuff it's a pretty steep hill i'm i'm already skeptical of it Now, this horse has already thrown me twice. So you would have been in your early 20s? I would have been like 20. Okay. So we're in queue, and the other horses are going up, and they're making it. And so it's my turn, and they're like, okay, well, lean forward, kick the horse, have it go really quick. So I do all that. Didn't matter. The horse balked on the embankment. And so – and it's steep. I mean it's really steep. So when the horse stopped, we had no forward momentum, and that meant it had to go backwards. It fell backwards. So it went – it did a 1A. It did a flip. It did a backflip. And so it flipped backwards and landed on me.
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    But because it was a marsh, I sank when the horse – so I sank into the mud and the water when the horse fell on me instead of having to absorb its entire impact. So it broke your fall.
    28:31
    No, I hit the swamp first and then the horse fell on top of me because I was in the saddle. It's like the horse was upside down. Yeah. And then it rolled off me and got up. And I remember because my mom was there. We were all riding together. And her immediate reaction was to yell, are you okay? And my immediate reaction was to yell, no. Just a flesh wound. Which I should not have done because she panicked. And jumped off her horse and injured her knee. She has an artificial knee now. Oh my goodness. Because of the horse incident? Well, it was already a damaged knee. Oh, okay. But now it was re-aggravated. And I remember she went out, and then I got up and was like, okay, no, I'm not broken. That's debatable. I'm drenched in swamp water. So we had to turn around and go back. She was like, I don't want you on that horse anymore. It's thrown you twice, and now it's fallen on you. That's a bad horse. She grew up with horses. She grew up with horses and riding them and breaking them and whatnot, all that stuff. I remember we got back to camp, and she went to her sister, her younger sister, who owns this horse. And she just said, I want your gun. I'm killing this horse.
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    Please tell me this ends in a Tarantino killing of a horse. My aunt refused to give her a gun. She's like, you can't kill that horse. That horse is only two years old. She said, I don't care. It fell on my son. It forgets people around its back. It throws them. It's dangerous. we just i'll i'll pay you for it i'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse wow i'll pay you to kill that horse like i'll buy i'll buy you a horse your mom is like mob nasty oh wow she didn't get to shoot the horse the horse is now dead them put a hit out on the horse yeah because of an accident yeah and i was put on and that horse was only half and they told me that and that's not unusual out there like well the horse is only half broken dennis they are there to some of them are fully broken for hunters to ride and the rest of them are to like pack out grizzly bear meat moose meat you know from the kills because my my family out there are hunting guides so that's what they do do they live in igloos at all no no they do not live in igloos but the denali national park is at the panhandle so it's in southern alaska southern that's why there's horses and cowboys southern alaska that's why there are horses so It does get snow in the winter there, yes. Do you get red sauce on your cowboy outfit at all with that fall into the marsh? No. No, that. Anyway. Do you ride horses a lot? Not all the time. You should get land and have a horse.
    31:05
    There's upkeep with a horse. I'd pay to see you ride bareback and shirtless on a horse. I've ridden bareback. Have you? I think so. I think once. I'm not a very good rider. I don't ride a lot. So, like, my mom's comfortable riding bareback. How to bruise a chode. Ouch. I'm still down. Look, if we ever do this bro trip, man, why don't we go riding horses? I'm down. I'll ride a donkey. I don't care.
    31:31
    Yeah, donkeys are... I did back in college a couple times. Apologies to everyone who came not wanting to hear about horses. Who cares? That's our show, right? Numbers don't lie. We're doing fine. You want to show a certain degree of respect to the listeners. That's why I don't eat ice cream while I record.
    31:51
    A little inside joke there. I like that. Last point of interest for me on that interview with George Gomez is that he did say, he confirmed that there is a development team working on a fall release. Ah. So there's some confirmation right there. Fall, not winter. I would have guessed maybe winter. I don't know how they're going to make more machines. Winter doesn't start until December, does it? Ah, good point. Good point. So we still, my October, November guess might be correct. Yeah, yeah. No, I think it'll be in that November neighborhood. Get something out in our early December even. My homie Gomi talked about it. He knows the lineup. They work two and a half years out, listeners. So 2021, 2022, he said sometimes they get shifted around, but he knows the releases of all those. That's cool. And if you want to hear about a possible Lord of the Rings vault, tune into that episode. look at me giving giving little plugs and teasers to another show we're so gracious here at the pinball show wow so do yourself a favor go check out the super awesome pinball show especially that episode they did a phenomenal job and they even had miss pin as a guest host nicely done hey dennis i had a question where is my new jersey jack game i would ask you to hashtag patience Zach? Nicely done. Jersey Jack Pinball in a recent social media post wished Guns N' Roses guitarist Slash a happy birthday. How old do you think Slash is? Oh, I have no idea. Wow.
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    He doesn't look like he's aged since he's been doing... It's the hat. Maybe it is, and the glasses. Man, Slash is cool.
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    Is there a cooler rock star than Slash? Maybe. Just sheer coolness. I don't know how to measure that. Because half of Slash's coolness comes from his guitar skill. His demeanor's really cool. Damn. I bet that guy pisses excellence.
    34:04
    But as you said, Dennis, they post this on social media. And if you looked closely, they had hashtag patience. Patience. Now, Guns N' Roses is a widely rumored release. Do we really have to keep calling it rumored? Slash confirmed it.
    34:23
    He didn't confirm it as a JJP game, though. He said he's working with a company on a new Guns N' Roses pinball machine. Such mystery.
    34:34
    I don't know. I don't have much more patience. But, yeah, they said hashtag patience, which I think they're just giving it away at this point. But now you can't get a Guns N' Roses if JJP releases it, because it's not going to fit in the lineup with all your Stern LEs. Well, here's the thing. That's a good point. That is a very good point, and it's why Willy Wonka was kind of sitting there by itself, and I was like, okay, once I got rid of Pirates, so I got rid of Willy Wonka. But there is a new JJP coming into Evansville, Indiana, and it's got the name of...
    35:11
    fine you fools well at least it didn't cost you much this process is making a return oh my gosh the hobbit's coming back so I'll have my hobbit and I'll have my jersey jack pinballs next release if they start making the damn things hey they got a tool up their factory and all that I think I'm going to go Collectors on their next release. I haven't owned a Collectors Edition Jersey Jack. I want to go Collectors. So let's hope it is Eric Menier. Let's hope it is Guns N' Roses. And let's hope he has one hell of a topper like he did on Pirate Sea. Maybe it will be a little Flash figurine who has, what, status or swagger or whatever you said you wanted. Yeah, coolness pisses excellence. Yeah. Maybe it pisses excellence up top. Yeah, when it gets multi-ball. it's like it it squirts you oh my god i'd open my mouth yeah oh man what else we got to talk about oh we we didn't really cover this last week matt morrison months ago did a yeah i forgot about this i shouldn laugh he did a poll on the pinball network pin side thread and a poll saying hey for the CGC remakes which one would you guys like to see done And we got like 300 votes nearly 300 votes So nicely done Matt Morrison But the results are in. He covered them a little bit last week on his correspondent segment, but we didn't get to them, so I figured we'd cover them real quick here. Nearly 300 votes. Almost 20% of the votes went for Indiana Jones, a pinball adventure. Does that surprise you? no actually that one would be the one i would think they would want to do if i thought they'd ever do a wide body oh that's a good point yeah and that's why i don't think they'll ever do it i think they will uh with respect to wide bodies okay well if they're doing wide bodies that would be the one i would start with yeah and i don't know how assets and licensing works but but from what i know on the inside they still have to get licensing to some extent but not to the full extent that they once did because they were just simply remaking it so they technically do have the license to do it i'm i'm too ignorant of licensor to know if that's the case or if it's just that they wouldn't need to have everything re-reviewed since it was already that's exactly Yes. But if they still need to get Paramount to sign off because they control Indiana Jones, if they still need any particular actor's likeness, I don't know. What I was explained by Chicago Gaming, somebody there, is it's almost as if it's already passed through the tough parts of licensing. They would just need to convince them to do a re-up, if you will. Right, right, right. So it's almost like it's been approved before. We want to add some more units from our previous agreement because everything else has already been approved. Thus, we don't need to go back and ask all these. But I don't know. I mean, it makes sense, but I still don't think they're ever doing it. Okay. We did get Cactus Canyon. This was surprising to me. 14.5% of the poll voters went for Cactus Canyon to be removed. Well, that's the widely rumored next one. So maybe a lot of people just chose it because it's what they think is going to happen. That's about as obvious as hashtag patience with GNR. But, yeah, Cactus Canyon would be really cool, especially if they finish up that code. Now, that code, you guys, if they do a Cactus Canyon again, it's not like they're going to blow up the code and make it deep. None of these 90s Williams games were really deep. Surely no one is expecting that. They are. They will. You'll get pin side hate. This game is shallow. Well, I guess we'll see on the used market then when they all flood out because people don't like it. I don't see that. I would be really interested in purchasing a Cactus Canyon. And I am told whether it's Cactus Canyon or not. The next LE topper for CGC, I want to be sitting down when you get to experience that thing. That's awesome.
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    See, people get little nuggets here and there. Tales of Arabian Nights got 14% of the vote. I can see them doing that. It's non-licensed. It should be easy enough to do. I wouldn't be surprised if they do it. and tied at 8.1% was both Twilight Zone and The Addams Family. Depending on the licensing challenges. I remember Addams Family, when Pinball Arcade wanted to do it, it never could get the right to do Christopher Lloyd, I think. And then I had to throw this nugget in there. Radical, believe it or not, Radical got 3.4% of the vote. Radical is a good game, but it is not a good remake idea. they won't sell they won't sell enough i can see a big boom box topper i mean you want to talk about people wanting only lcd games and they're perfectly aligned uh back box lineup no one's gonna get a go out and buy in large numbers remakes of non-dmds what if they put them into a contemporary cgc cab that's what i thought about it's still an alphanumeric game though when i had a radical i I thought about changing that cabinet. Yeah, I remember that. I mean, I don't know. Does that upset people? Does it still feel like a remake when you make Radical so radically different looking? Tubular. That's a good question. I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't get hung up personally on the shape of the cabinet, but I'm not the target audience. I just don't think you remake System 11s. So no System 11s? I don't think they could sell enough to justify the R&D. to remake it. Because they're not going to be able to sell it for significantly less than they would sell Attack from Mars and Monster Bash for. That's true, yeah. And as old as it looks, it's the same reason why you can't have a new Sea Witch or Quicksilver or whatever. There are people who love those games, but not enough that are going to pay $5,000 for a 1980 console. Well, at some point, Dennis, we're going to hit the spot where the secondary market on some of these games, they're not going to have any more remakes to make then. You think about a Whitewater, right? Sure, but CGC has already been planning for that, right? They've been talking about the idea that they're going to start doing original games. So I think that they're going to transition away from remakes. I think we see a non-remake original game from CGC in 2021.
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    It's feasible, but we have to bear in mind that there are still a number of other, It's not all just WMS. There's been talk about them going and remaking Capcom stuff. They wanted to swoop in and do Kingpin. Honestly, even if they did it in 2023, I still think they would beat Circus Maximus. So Big Bang Bar would be another one that they could remake that I've heard rumors about. Here's the thing. Even though it doesn't feel like there are a lot of quote-unquote viable games for CGC to continue to remake, they don't exactly turn out the new remake titles very quickly. I mean, they're not even averaging a game a year. That's a good point as well. They're slow. I mean, let me be blunt. They're slow. They're slow at this, even though they don't have any significant development. They're slow. I wonder what that is. And you might see them do some contract manufacturing, too. We've already talked about them doing that with Spooky. Right. Yeah, that's got to fit in somewhere. And that workload may mean they don't feel like doing another remake while that's on the line. yeah the potential is there more so than probably any company besides stern chicago gaming is potential is there i know some people who think they're the second largest manufacturer yeah they might be but man that freight train of jjp that thing is coming and it's coming quick and it is coming i have you ever been to the old uh i guess it's the churchill factory No. Chicago Gaming? I've walked around in there. It is interesting. It's like an understatement. It is very, very cool. But there is nothing showy about that place. That place looks like you took a trip through time. It's even, I don't know how to explain it. It looks like something off of a movie. Old, dark, like just a warehouse with windows.
    43:54
    It's down there in, I think, Cicero. area, Chicago. In other news, Oktoberfest by American Pinball, you can now play remotely online through surrogate games on Twitch.
    44:07
    I never do that. I don't either. If you've got a lag time, then I don't care. Well, lag's inevitable. There's always latency. I don't care then. Well, there's no way to solve latency. Is there not? No, because you're still constrained by the speed of whatever data can move at, and remember, you can never go faster than light itself. Why not?
    44:32
    Because there is nothing faster than light, Zach. Oh, there's your ignorance. How do you know there's not? I know, Zach. There could be. We just don't know it. I love how you're trying to rely upon like a combination of high school science and what you might have picked up hearing someone describe a Star Trek episode to you to argue for how there may be something faster than life. To be fair, not that I'm a complete idiot, I do have graduate studies in biology, damn it. Oh, biology. Oh, so you know all about life. It's like a pharmacology, pharmacology. Oh, so you know all about life. I'm just saying. I apologize, Zach. I'm a complete nimrod here. Whoa. I had no idea. But honestly, to support your notion there, I was just thinking the whole time, Marty, get it back to the future. Let's put it another way. So fiber optics are using light. So given our data can never go faster than light because we never use anything faster than light to send data, you always have to deal with that travel time for your data to go from point A to point B. And however many other tubes, if you want to call it, in the Internet that you have to pass through to get to it. So you always have ping. You always have latency because you're not immediately there. There's latency with the flipper buttons. It's just so short you can't detect it with your brain. But we haven't seen the flux capacitor yet. And remember, it's two different things. We've got the surrogate game signal that you as the player are sending to the game, but then that has to register, has to be caught by camera, has to then be transmitted through Twitch, which has delays, to you. So it's like every single step in competitive video games. Latency is a problem when someone is playing in Australia and the rest of his teammates are playing in North America. It's that it's just that it's just that substantive. It's just it's unavoidable and it's measured in milliseconds. But as you know, you can detect milliseconds with your eye. So that's why it's hard. And that's why I'm not interested. I'm not I'm not interested in any of this stuff. You know why? Because every time I go to twitch.tv slash whatever the hell it is, pinball, the category pinball, they're always live, and it makes me mad. It's like, oh, they're sharing games again. At least mine always sorts by number of viewers, so they're always at the bottom because the only people watching are the player. It's still frustrating. I'm like, oh, there they are again. They just camp out here on the pinball category. What a whiny complaint. I don't know. I was just trying to find a way to push it towards back to the future. You know, I did talk to Dwight Sullivan this week. We got something that we're working on for the podcast in an upcoming episode. But I asked him, I'm like, dude, why can't we get back to the future? Come on. Of course, he wasn't going to tell me anything, but damn it. And then I even talked to Ken this week, and I'm like, Ken, you're close enough with the owners of JJP now? Like, I just want a definitive reason why we can't get back to the future pinball. My head is in such pain and turmoil. It's been done and it's old. No one has it. No one can quit lying. Bullshit. Quit lying. Bullshit. Dwight Sullivan said that is one that he would die to make. Die to make. Well, it's not Dwight's decision, so deal with it. I just want to know why. Because it's a has-been license. That's not the reason why. No one cares anymore. That's not the reason why. No one cares. That is fake news, listeners. No one cares. Yes, they do. No one cares. It'll never live up to expectations. It's a total mistake. Message us at the pinball network at gmail.com. Why do this when you could do things like Turtles, which are still relevant? I mean, Turtles had an old crappy pinball machine, but it's still relevant. Nothing about Back to the Future is relevant anymore. Yes, it is. It's one of the greatest films ever made and series ever made. Ugh, no. It's greatness.
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    It's not. Michael J. Fox is going to shit on your doorstep. No, he's not. He's not even going to lend his likeness. Have to have a potato be Marty McFly. Let's talk about toppers. Last news story. Guy bummed me out and shit. Coming up on the Market Trends. You bummed me right before Market Trends. Every damn episode. Market Trends takes an hour of the show. It's always near Market Trends, no matter what I say. Got to eat some Goya beans. Have you seen the Deadpool head?
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    It's like a toy. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, you program it with your phone. It says different stuff. It's a Deadpool head. You said earlier off air that somebody put one in the refrigerator. Cool toy. Full size. Somebody actually wired this damn thing up to be the topper of the Deadpool pinball machine by Stern Pinball. That is fucking cool. I don't know how they did it, though. Because it takes, I believe, batteries. So I don't know. You'll have to find it on Facebook. but I've always wanted to take toys that are battery powered and like, how do I make this interactive into a top or at least power up and power down with a pinball machine? And it has been done probably Voyager warranty. So precautions there, but it was really, really cool. Shout out to the guy that made that. It seems like a game you would own Deadpool. I do like Deadpool. I've thought about it a couple of times, but it seems like a Dennis game, but we had one on location. So I never really needed to, what else you got on location? Anything new? I don't, I haven't been to any locations since the stay-at-home order's first hit. You know, I bet the operators and routers over in Kansas City, Missouri, I bet, they supply their locations with pinball machines based on the expertise and knowledge of a pinball market trend.
    50:18
    Nope, that's incorrect. Eh, might be correct. You never know. I know because I talk to them. Eh, but I talk to them and it might be correct. No, they don't even buy from you. Well, that's fair enough, but they might call me for advice. Which you love when people buy from others and then call you for help.
    50:35
    Still love you, Joe. Trending up this week is not a whole lot of anything. I'm going to be quite honest and transparent here. I don't see anything in particular trending up. We still have the same old, same old trending up. You've got the medieval madness royals that are still selling for way over MSRP. You've still got the Turtles LEs that are still selling more than MSRP new in box. There's not been a lot of fluctuation week to week here on the secondary market. I mean, training up, honestly, is just the visualization that I have of poor 20-year-old Dennis Creasel marsh up with that horse on top of him.
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    Oh, man. Was it a boy horse or a girl horse? It was a boy horse. Oh. It was a gelding. A gelding. What was the gelding's name? TC.
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    TC? Yeah, it was named for a gun. Why not name him Colt? All the horses were named for guns. Was there a Colt? I don't know if they named one Colt. Don't remember. Was there a Westchester? Winchester. Yeah, I think there was a Winchester. Was there a Glock?
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    Maybe. I don't know. Mostly rifles, I think. mostly uh so trending up is that what were you wearing why would i remember that that's this stupid question because you know that you're dressed up dress you don't go out in the marsh like with your k-mart cowboy look i want that look well you're one blue light special away from it turning down this week is a couple pins uh lord of the rings for one wait a minute how in the How can that be trending down? It was the runner-up on the showdown. It's being talked about vaulting. What? How? Well, that's the problem. George Gomez, Chief Creative Officer at Stern Pinball, when he talks about the possibility of a remake and a vault of Lord of the Rings, sure, there's some difficulties with the White Star system, but it can be done. Sure, some of the parts are no longer being made, and they'd have to remanufacture all that stuff, sure. But you talk about it, and look at the market now. pew pew pew pew pew they're everywhere lord of the rings are everywhere right now if you're wanting a lord of the rings you can get one they're back down to six thousand dollars maybe a little more if you get an over-the-top nice one uh with a buttery smooth play field and and nowhere but color dmd possibly but six thousand dollars don't pay any more for a lord of the rings than that there's plenty out there also trending down this week is a monsters premium not just one like All of them. I've not seen, for some reason, this week as Munster's premium week, ladies and gentlemen. The price continues to go down, and the number of pins on the secondary market continues to go up. That is when you fall into the pinball market trends. Trending down.
    53:31
    Also trending down is Data East. This is a broken record, but it's Guns N' Roses. Sure, it's a fun pin. Sure, it's like their only wide body. Was it their only Data East wide body? No, WWF is also wide. I always forget Royal Rumble is wide.
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    Nevertheless, Guns N' Roses, I'm just telling you people, this is your friendly reminder. Not saying that JJP is making GNR. But damn it if they do, that Guns N' Roses is nothing that's so special that's going to retain its value like it is right now. Everybody wants a Guns N' Roses band-themed pinball machine. So it's holding value right now. Is it that great of a game, Dennis? I trying to remember I have played it it's okay get rid of it don't say I didn't tell you so ooh and I gotta jump into this because we've got a lot of them this week's pinball market trends D.O.T. dub bye bye bye you know what that acronym for no I have no idea a lot of deals this week number, I'm going to go through them quick because we've got a lot of them. A Star Wars Pro Comic Edition. Now the reason is it's $5,000. That might not sound like a steal of the week, but it is a deal of the week because he's got the inside art blades, right? It's pretty flawless. It's mint And these just they haven started popping up on the secondary market much yet So if you looking for a Star Wars comic this is a good one to get This is out of Boone North Carolina by Supermass77 That's a deal of the week. Also a deal of the week, ACDC Hell and Topper. Now, just those descriptors alone, Dennis, do you know what that is? Nope. Okay, I didn't think so. when they came out with the pro the original pro people didn't like the angus face so i think oric developed a helen character she's a devil a sultry beautiful character so you could have a decal on the play field but to match that there's also a trans light that was made and there was also a topper that was made and i gotta say this topper whoa boy the topper is nice looking but you don't ever see them. This one is for sale. I don't even know how this is still available. The guy sold the ACDC. The person buying it didn't want the topper. It does contain nudity. $150 for this Helen topper? Buy, buy, buy! I thought about buying it, even just to have it. $150 is cheap. Also, they have a Helen sticker kit for the Pro. It comes in three different styles. $100? They don't even make him anymore. You guys, $250 for this package. Buy, buy, buy! Call or text Allen today. I'm going to give his freaking phone number out of Chattanooga, Tennessee because this is a freaking steal. 606-344-5558. That's 606-344-5558.
    56:33
    Another deal of the week this week is an Avatar LE outside of Unknown. That doesn't help. Looks like Virginia area. Maybe Washington area. Clyde's guy, 82, is selling it. an avatar le really nice shape playfield's been signed by the designers even includes a laserific topper and it says i think okay um the walker did break but it was repaired they have a new in box replacement one as well anyway it's in storage there's no pictures this is a pending deal of the week you like that dennis pending deal of the week no because sounds silly yeah $4450. That's a deal of the week if this thing is in good condition. Comes with a topper. I would like to have that. So if anybody wants to pick up that Helen, I'll put that Helen topper on that Avatar LA. That'll look good. This is a Dennis Creasel special deal of the week. An Aftor.
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    Wicco. It's a white body. Is it a white body? Is it Wicco? Wicco, Wicco, Wicco. I think it is pronounced Wicco. 1984 Avtor. You don't see them much, right? They're a rare machine. Now, on this one, $1,950. Just finding one of these, that's not a steal of the week. But here's what makes this thing a deal of the week. That's because it comes with a spare Minty populated play field. So you get the rarity of this game, plus a rarity of a populated play field that you can swap out and have a nice play field. 1950 if you're into wicker wicker games that's a deal of the week bye bye bye oh another deal of the week is star trek le these things always go for eight thousand dollars not this one sixty three hundred dollars oh my oboe get out of here game on michigan in midland michigan is selling a stern star trek le it's been on location but fully functioning. I'm guessing if I'm looking at this thing and they're not showing the shooter lane anytime don't try to hide your shooter lane. I know you got some dirty shooter lane action if you're trying to hide it. You ever seen that trick, Dennis?
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    Yeah, I guess I never thought if they were trying to hide it or just didn't think anyone really cared. I think people should embrace their shooter lane. You show it to the world. Well, I always take a photo of it. I never know if it's really like a joke or not, but I do it. You don't need a modesty decal for that shooter lane. Show it. Be proud, baby. That's what God gave you. But they don't show the shooter lane. So I'm thinking if it was on location, then yeah, maybe it's tore up from the floor up a little bit. But Dennis, $6,300 oboe. It has those side armors. So it's not like you're going to get flipper button wear. It's a beautiful machine. $6,300. If you can get that thing at $6,000, take it to the bank, people. You've done a nice job. And you were only helped by pinball market trends deal of the week and last deal of the week this week is a deadpool le it's new in box with the stern warranty who's selling this right out of black lick ohio jamie j-a-i-m-m-y 127 on pin side these things are gone you don't see many of them anymore new in the box still so they were hoarding on to one of them 9300 cash now i look dennis i get it you're gonna be like That's more than MSRP. How is that a deal of the week? Well, because they're gone. They're gone. Finito. For $9,300, you're paying just a weensy-beensy premium for a brand new in-the-box Stern LE that is a Deadpool? Pfft. Come on. Forget about it. Bye-bye-bye! They're also willing to trade for Bally Williams titles, especially hip restorations. Ding. And back by popular demand, because last week was so much fun doing a deals of the What the fuck? floods of emails and messages sent to us they thought i edited in your laugh like it looked we're not the type of podcast that edits in laugh tracks that was all natural baby and that is my goal of the pinball show is to get dennis to laugh he has the most infectious laugh pinball freaking love it and you lost it with the simpsons yeah no It was excessive, but that was my fault. It wasn't editing.
    60:56
    Ben Malm, Market Trends Update. That game's still for sale. Oh, really? Wow. Nobody's going to buy that piece of shit for $4,600. But this week's deal of the what the fuck is a 1990 Data East.
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    Back to the future. Mark Penn, 2013. I think I know Mark. Good dude. he's got a back to the future now it is nice plays 100 it's been shopped out i get it the back glass very nice got some small nicks on the cabinet okay forty five hundred dollars dennis no mark forty five hundred dollars for this turd now really this is a just an overpriced game nobody should ever spend 40 i'm looking at the pictures now there's freaking pop bumper ring where come on mark no no no no do not buy this game or buy it if you want to if you're a moron i wouldn't buy this game no offer him three thousand five and then throw it into the marsh that stupid ass hard-headed horse that dennis was riding really the reason we bring this up is because i just why is anybody spending money on a shit version of a fake game. I don't get it. I'll never get it. Never understand. Look at Michael J. Fox in that. That's not Michael J. Fox, people. There's nothing fun about this game. Except for the colors.
    62:28
    I like the powder-coated wire form that's red and orange and yellow. On different spots. I like that. I'm going to design a Back to the Future game. I'm going to pitch it to Stern and JJP, and I'm going to be famous in the pinball world forever. and that is your goal and that is this week's Pimba Market Trends Trademark oh wait a minute we've got a viewer trend I almost forgot about our boy David Dennis he's got one and I don't know I think it might be geared towards you trending up this week gimmick infringement Hey, Dennis Creasel, this is David Dennis from the Silver Ball Chronicles podcast here on TPN. I hope you know that I'm the history guy here on TPN, okay? So your whole history lesson last week, that's out of line, buddy. That's my gimmick. That's what I do.
    63:30
    Stay in your lane. Wow. Ouch. Did you hear that? He said, suck my nuts. Stay in your lane Wow, my lane The lane that he keeps driving into In order to help research out All of his segments Is that what he's referencing? Now look at him Bow! No he didn't Let me hear God, I hate viewer trends so much Well, Mr. David Dennis I will take it under advisement But I would remind you that I am Pinball history Ooh, buddy, you still there?
    64:12
    I just don't know. It seems like you're trying to speak. But you just took a hell of a hit. I just popped your skull so hard, your eyeball just popped out.
    64:25
    Boom, David Dennis. I like David, but I got your back on this one. I mean, what is this? Is he challenging me? Challenging me to trivia? What is this? It's quaint, is what it is. Man, I love a gal that buys me dinner and doesn't expect me to put out.
    64:45
    Right now, Ron Hallett is hiding. Ron would be a challenge. David is not so much. Little pig, little pig, let me in. I think David Dennis is to pinball history as I am to play field multipliers. I don't know, because I'm not sure if you were to talk about play field multipliers that it would be interesting. And Silver Ball Chronicles is a very interesting podcast. Oh, it's so good. Damn, it's a runaway hit. It's probably, to many, the best podcast that TPN offers. That is funny to hear. Yeah, but I've seen people say that, that it's their favorite. I think it's cute. Yeah. It's cute. What? It's like, it's substantive. It's like our most substantive piece of programming on the podcast side. I can see that. I love it. Every time it comes out, it's an instant play for me. But damn, David, you just got handed to by Dennis Creasel. How does that feel? This is the kind of thing that just tickles my balls. I get it every week. Don't feel bad. Dennis Creasel done said, not today.
    65:52
    Reminds me of the, oh gosh, this is way too inside baseball. It reminds me of, because I don't think it was on a podcast page. I remember having a discussion, and Jason Fowler challenged me on some historical thing involving Stern Electronics. I didn't mean to be mean about it, but I remember – David will remember this too. David Dennis will. But I remember in response that Jason had expressed something that was inaccurate, and to counter it, I explained what had actually happened. And as my source, I cited my own article. in case you haven't caught on i just slid my dick down your throat and you thanked me for it
    66:36
    i felt kind of bad but it was no embrace that that feels good i just remember because after that that's where jason fowler of uh formerly of slap save he said oh i got creasled that's how he described it afterwards. Man, David Dennis, you just got creasled. Today was a productive damn day!
    66:58
    Alright, let's close up shop there, Dennis. Where can people reach you in between now and the next EGP? I always email collectedgamerspodcast.gmail.com The show over there is at collectedgamers.com. That's probably the best way. Are we going to see you streaming more frequently? I don't know more frequently. I did a few days ago uh it just depends it just depends i'm just i'm still really busy and it's like and we have so many tpn affiliate streamers now it's like i basically anytime i go i'm stomping on someone else's schedule and their shows are their their streams are better than mine so it's kind of like i used to do it to practice for competitive but there's no competitive right now so it's kind of like killed my motivation that's killed a lot of people's motivation unfortunately i'm hoping within the next week, Dennis and I will be able to announce, whether it's on social media or next week's show, some exciting and upcoming modifications. I won't say changes, but modifications to the Pinball Network that we've been working on. And you can always email us at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com. If you're looking to reach out to myself, you can do so as well through sdtandpinball at gmail.com. Go and watch and subscribe and Follow straight down the middle of Pinball Show video series on YouTube. And, of course, if you're looking to buy a brand-new pinball machine, your place is Flippin' Out Pinball. We've talked about some rumored games. Get on the list now with Flippin' Out Pinball at ZachZACH at FlippTheLetterInOutPinball.com or 812-457-9711. TPN, this past week, we upped the game on streamer clips. We went up to top 10 because there were so many good ones. And people have been, people like the top 10 now. They're like even better. Yeah, it was a good idea. So be looking for those in the future. And TPN this upcoming week, Dennis, I think we should be due for Silver Ball Chronicles. I think so. I know it's recorded.
    68:56
    Last I heard, it was still being edited. Okay. Very nice. And then if you would like to review our show, we did get a nice review on the DB site, the pinball database. So if you want to review us. At this point, I want to see what the majority think about us because there's some turd reviews out there. So if you've got something nice to say, help us out on iTunes or This Week in Pinball's database. That would be great. Just do it right now. The show's almost over. Listen to Dennis and I's banter as we outro. Listen to a little outtakes, my clever use of music, and then go review us. Five stars, baby. Say something nice. I love the pinball show. But we need less Zach, more Dennis.
    69:44
    All right, everybody, until next week, for Dennis Creasel, I am Zachary Mini. Remember to keep your very targets aligned and your stand-up targets singular. And always practice safe pinball and... He never hung his head up at Kitty's Place.
    70:03
    I should have been a cowboy. I should have learned to roll around. I need to take a restroom break. If you want to keep going, you can.
    70:15
    I don't care. Your segment makes me want to shit. Yeah, go ahead. I'll be right back. Yeah, you're fine.
    70:24
    Another time, let me tell you a time I fell off a cliff. That would be fun, too. What? Oh, my God. We're saving that one. No, no.
    70:33
    I did not fall off a cliff with a horse. I'd probably not be alive. with nikes you fell off with nikes no i wore cowboy boots when i ride you can't riding with sneakers is weird it doesn't uh they don't fit in the stirrup well it's hard to keep it's hard to your foot can slide through all the way so your heel goes through like your whole leg is in the stirrup and you might get that's why you wear cowboy boots because it got the heel yeah so you can't click in yeah so it's not for it's not for Kmart purposes, there's a practical reason. So I always wore boots while riding, unless it was like just riding in the corral or something. I wouldn't wear walking shoes for that. Speaking of boots, I just got new sneakers. I bought one. It was going to take too long for them to come. They're Michael Jordans. So I bought a second pair of a different style of Michael Jordan. And I almost, I did think about it. I thought, you know what? I bet Cresa would appreciate it. If I'm going to buy a pair of Jordans, maybe I buy him a matching set send them to him and I almost did but I didn't know what your size was no I don't ever get I get the 90 shocks no they're not quite that small you seem like a 10.5 11 guy no I wear a 10 ok I'm a 12 would you have wore Jordans if I would have sent you a size I'd have to have tried them on to see if they were comfortable oh god it's not about comfort oh my god it's about the look of them no i'm not trying to impress anyone those days are long gone oh it's not impressing anybody i just look in the mirror and i'm like oh shit it's impressing yourself so yeah it is i don't and they have full zoom air cushioning so believe me as i look in the mirror as i tighten my ermay tie and i'm like yeah i need some air jordans just let's go with the shocks see the shocks are stiff you know that i'm a big aficionado sneakers the shocks are a stiffer feel they are and i've worn them for years as part of it but i've tried some adidas recently i actually like them more but the shocks turn into really good mowing shoes because they're so stiff yep and then i've been because i'm wearing my old pair of adidas when i mow uh but i i've slipped a couple of times and i'm like oh this could end up tragic if i slip under them well When you go pinball stuff, you don't wear a dress shoe, do you? You wear a sneaker. Yeah. I'm almost always in sneakers unless I have to, except when I'm going to work. Well, not now. Nowadays, I wear jeans. What would the KC crew think if you showed up to a league rocking some J's?
    73:08
    They're not going to notice. No one notices. Bullshit, dude. Dennis Creasel walks in with some Jordans on. People are going to say something. I mean, I just said that it was happy hour at the Pussy Bar and Dwight eats for free. And you're telling me no.