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Episode 38: Top Five Cartoon Themes, And too much Vasectomy talk!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Dec 11, 2019
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TL;DR

Rick and Morty Spooky game discussed; personal machine sales; Pinball FX experience; vasectomy banter.

Summary

Scott Ian and Drew host Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 38, discussing Rick and Morty pinball by Spooky Pinball, debating its sales potential, and exploring theme licensing. They also share personal machine updates (selling Alice Cooper and Bram Stoker's Dracula to fund a Jurassic Park Premium Edition purchase), discuss their experience with Pinball FX digital tables on Steam, and make vasectomy jokes for a listener undergoing the procedure on Thursday.

Key Claims

  • Rick and Morty is Spooky Pinball's best theme to date

    high confidence · Drew states this directly when discussing the game's appeal and sales potential

  • Rick and Morty will sell out by end of first quarter or summer 2020

    medium confidence · Drew makes a prediction that by Q1 end or summer 2020, Rick and Morty won't be available directly from Spooky Pinball, though deposit spots will still exist

  • 750 units for Rick and Morty is a significant production run for Spooky Pinball

    high confidence · Both hosts discuss the 750-unit production model and debate whether it represents high or low volume relative to the fanbase

  • Alice Cooper sold ~200 units quickly, then another 200 over several months, almost completely sold now

    medium confidence · Drew describes the sales pattern of Alice Cooper as evidence Rick and Morty may sell similarly or faster due to larger audience

  • Rick and Morty license may increase base price above Alice Cooper's price point

    medium confidence · Both hosts speculate the license cost may be higher due to Adult Swim/Cartoon Network involvement and broader popularity than Alice Cooper

Notable Quotes

  • “To me more so that's all spread the wealth baby”

    Scott Ian @ ~5:30 — Context for why he's selling two machines to buy one—wealth distribution philosophy in collecting

  • “I don't think Charlie would raise the price just to make more money... when you're a good business person you know you think about some of these other things outside the box and the way to get there it's always money”

    Drew @ ~25:00 — Defends Charlie Emery's ethics as a business owner; suggests price increases fund employee welfare, not greed

  • “I don't think there's 750 will they sell out they will eventually sell out but i don't think it's going to be a rush”

    Scott Ian @ ~20:00 — Core disagreement with Drew about Rick and Morty sales velocity; skeptical of rapid sellout

  • “Alice Alice Cooper is in my top 20 of all time, I would say... I don't think any machine, with the exception maybe of Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory, touches it on theme integration”

    Drew @ ~35:00 — High praise for Spooky's execution on Alice Cooper design; benchmarking excellence in theme integration

  • “It's not a big theme... It's not Star Wars, man”

    Scott Ian @ ~18:00 — Minimizes Rick and Morty's popularity relative to Star Wars, supporting his skepticism about 750-unit sellout

Entities

Scott IanpersonDrewpersonRick and MortygameSpooky PinballcompanyCharlie EmerypersonMatt DanesipersonEric Meunierperson

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: Rick and Morty pinball officially confirmed for Spooky Pinball with 750-unit production run and non-refundable deposit system

    high · Both hosts discuss it as confirmed; detailed production and design team information shared (Matt Danesi designer, Eric Meunier coder, Bowen Kerins rules, co-creator voice callouts)

  • ?

    product_strategy: Spooky Pinball using non-refundable deposits for Rick and Morty pre-orders, described as 'genius' strategy

    high · Drew states: 'they're doing the non-refundable deposits again, which I think is genius'

  • ?

    product_launch: Rick and Morty expected to be unavailable directly from Spooky within 4-6 months (Q1 2020 or summer 2020)

    medium · Drew predicts: 'by so maybe or at least summer, you will not be able to get Rick and Morty' from Spooky directly; Scott Ian disagrees, saying it won't sell out as fast

  • ?

    collector_signal: Limited edition/variant models planned for Rick and Morty including special cabinet editions with color schemes (yellows, blues, greens, portals)

    medium · Discussion of 'fang club edition' and 'blood suckers edition' with custom armor and color schemes based on show aesthetics

  • $

    market_signal: Rick and Morty base price expected to be higher than Alice Cooper due to licensing costs, potentially $6,999-$7,000+ for base model

    medium · Drew speculates: 'if he says for Rick and Morty we're going to offer you everything and we're going to charge $6,999' and notes Alice Cooper Premium already reaches ~$8,000 with upgrades

Transcript

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0:00
game's over losers oh yeah it's time the wait is over you've waited a week or more and now it is finally here the time has come for this week's Poor Man's Pinball Podcast starring Drew and starring Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.
0:40
I'm gonna need someone to help me. I'm gonna need somebody's help. Son of a bitch! Give me a drink. One of the nights, when it's tramping me One of the nights, when my drink is clean I'm gonna drink my way Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast The sloppiest podcast on the internet My name's Ian and with me is Loud Goat Drew Loud Drew Goat, greatest of all time, is that me? yeah man hey how you doing buddy doing good man what you drinking uh beam and ginger is that a ginger beam yeah that's a cool name right we'll call it ginger beam it's the ginger beam yes that's what all the bartenders call it can i get a ginger beam get out leave sir making up drinks again yep no that's what i'm drinking i'm having a uh vodka um red bull vodka rebel oh so getting sauced up and sauced up. Gotta get excited here. I'm excited. It's episode 38. 38? We've done 38 of these things? Episode 38. I love it. Feels good.
2:04
What are we talking about today, sir? I don't know. A bunch of shit. We did get an email and I just want to start this off with Steve. I'm not going to say his last name just in case he doesn't want us to talk about it. It's one of the most common last names in America. Steve. Yeah. Steve Smith. No, Steve, you know who I'm talking about.
2:23
Steve, our listener, our good buddy, he is going in for his vasectomy on Thursday. He told us we better make this a good show. Well, Steve, I'm sorry to say. Snip, snip, buddy. It's the same fucking show you're used to. But we'll try to make it cool. We'll make it special for you, Steve. And to make it special, Drew. Yes. You got a surprise? I got like three jokes, three bad jokes regarding vasectomies. This is a special dad joke shout out for Steve. I love it. Yeah, a little vasectomy jokes here. A little off the top. Here we go.
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Bowen Kerinsperson
Alice Coopergame
Jurassic Parkgame
Bram Stoker's Draculagame
Whitewatergame
Oktoberfestgame
Attack from Marsgame
Medieval Madnessgame
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Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factorygame
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Adult Swim / Cartoon Networkorganization
Steveperson
  • ?

    licensing_signal: Speculation about Rick and Morty licensing structure (Adult Swim vs. creator ownership) and comparison to TV model where networks license content rather than own it

    low · Scott Ian speculates about licensing structure, comparing to HGTV model; Drew notes uncertainty about whether Cartoon Network owns Rick and Morty outright

  • ?

    community_signal: Rick and Morty pinball announcement bringing new/older audiences into pinball community; some veteran players dismissive of the theme

    medium · Drew notes: 'a lot of old guys on Pinside had no idea who Rick and Morty are, and now lots more people are watching the show' and references some grumbling about the theme

  • ?

    product_concern: Pinball FX digital tables show inconsistent ball physics between games (e.g., Axl Rose runs slower than Attack from Mars), causing player adjustment issues

    high · Drew reports: 'the ball wasn't moving as fast as the other one' on Axl Rose and Attack from Mars; notes motion sickness from Whitewater's animated Yeti

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Positive reception to Spooky Pinball's design execution on Alice Cooper; hosts benchmark it alongside Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory for theme integration excellence

    high · Drew states: 'I don't think any machine touches it on theme integration' except possibly Willy Wonka; places Alice Cooper in his top 20 of all time

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Emerging pinball designers receiving praise: Matt Danesi (second game), Eric Meunier (code), Jack Danger (in development), Keith Elwin

    medium · Drew expresses excitement about 'young guys' and designers: 'I'm excited about Jack Danger... I'm excited about Matt Danesi, Eric Menier... Keith Elwin'

    • 2:55
    I thought about getting a vasectomy would keep my wife from getting pregnant, but apparently it just changes the color of the baby. Oh, my God. Number two, I went to go get a vasectomy, and the doctor said I won't have children anymore. When I went back home, they were still there. I actually really like that one That's right up my alley And the last one And probably by far the worst one Your wife Says Hey you got a vasectomy without telling me Are you serious And of course you go Yes I'm not kidding you Womp womp Crickets Absolutely god awful Well hey it's the best three I could find Everything else sucked Yeah, some of those were long and stupid.
    3:46
    No, those are good, though. Well, Steve, I can't help but think about your balls right now. We love you. What do we say? Good luck? Or hope he cuts the right thing? What do you say to someone who's having a vasectomy? Good luck. Yeah, hope it's okay and doesn't hurt. Yeah, put some ice on it. Put some ice on it. You know, I found out that the majority of vasectomies are done during March Madness because then the husband can sit at home and watch the games, basketball. That makes sense. Yeah, and I also heard, this is, I don't know how true this is, but there are certain Buffalo Wild Wings that have special seats for men that get vasectomies. No shit. So they can sit down in comfort, like those jeweled seats or whatever. I learned several things today. And they can watch the games at the Buffalo Wild Wings. That's actually very cool, but you did a lot of research on this. Good job, Ian. Yeah, you know what, though? Are you going to get a vasectomy? It just keeps chasing me around, man. I can't get away from this vasectomy stuff. Ian knows more about vasectomies than anyone I've ever met. I love it. Thank you, everybody.
    4:50
    But no, that Buffalo Wild Wings thing is pretty funny. It's fucking weird, right? It is, totally. I don't know, man. I got nothing else. But yeah, man, fucking badass. So Drew, how you been, man? Otherwise? Yeah, it's another week, man. I'm excited to record the show. And yeah, there's a lot of cool things to talk about this week. Plus, we got an awesome top five we'll talk about a little later. I'm talking about Rick and Morty, of course. A lot of Rick and Morty talk this week. You guys sick of it yet? Are you guys excited about it? I think the best thing is that a lot of old guys on Pinside had no idea who Rick and Morty are, and now lots more people are watching the show. I started watching. We'll talk about that in a moment. Yeah, and some just can't help but just go grumble, grumble, grumble, grumble. It's terrible. We'll get into some of that. Some people are just awful. I agree with you there, no doubt about it. But, yeah, let's talk Rick and Morty. Fuck it, let's do it. Do you have any personal pinball news?
    5:50
    Yeah, I'm still looking to sell my Alice Cooper and my Bram Stoker's Dracula. Okay. I'm trying to get a Jurassic Park premium. So if anyone out there can help me sell my Alice Cooper, I will give you a $100 finder's fee. Oh, shit. So, yeah, I just really, really want to get this Jurassic Park Premium. Not that I don't like Alice Cooper, because Alice Cooper is an amazing game, and I want to thank Charlie and team and Spooky. I was glad I was able to support them, but for the amount of money it is and my limited space and stuff, I need something that is a really great theme for me, and that's Jurassic Park. Gotcha. That's all. It's only one great game to get another great game. Yeah, no doubt. to me more so that's all spread the wealth baby but yeah if anyone can help me sell that or or the dracula because i can i can swing it either way so if i can get rid of dracula i can get it or if i can get rid of alice cooper i can get it so um 100 for each if if you guys can find buyers for me um the uh dracula i'm willing to let go now for 3100 that's a poor man's pinball special and um the alice cooper uh we're gonna do 64.95 which is basically base price it's got all the add-ons and stuff and only 250 plays with the pin stadium lights by the way and you only get those prices when you say what you drink it in the subject line yes yes it's like a barcode motherfuckers don't skip out on us so you need to know you're out there listener yeah anyone in the midwest area or you know um you know if you guys want to facilitate shipping on on the alice cooper we could we could figure that out cool let me know awesome i um we talked earlier today about it but i uh went ahead and bought some pinball fx tables on steam i did too and those things are good yeah i was like fuck it i want to try them just to see what the hype is because they got it they were pumping out the tables i like fell asleep and i heard they were making one table and then I woke up and now they have like eight or nine tables. How did they sell those on the PC? Because I've been doing it on the Xbox. Oh, bundles. Okay, three tables? There's four bundles. Of three tables.
    8:06
    Well, no, because there's five bundles, actually. The fifth bundle has only got two games. It's got Monster Bash and Creature. Yes, that's correct. Okay, so it must be the same then. But Steam had a deal today where it was all four bundles for like $30, so you save $10. Yeah, because the three packs were, I was paying $9.99. Yeah, they're $10 a pack for three games. You know what game I found surprisingly a lot of fun? Yeah. And I almost bought one instead of the, what did I get then? Maybe the F-14 or something. But anyways, Hurricane. Hurricane, huh? That's a cool game. I haven't played it yet. Yeah, it's cool. It's got that clown face on it, which is a little weird, but it's just a circus kind of theme. It's a real fun shooter. Yeah, I found that fan layouts worked best for me because I was playing Whitewater and I was getting motion sickness in the worst fucking way. I felt so ill.
    9:04
    But I was playing Medieval Madness and I was playing Attack from Mars and those things were fun and I couldn't put it down. I wanted to keep playing them. Oh, it was good fun. Oh, they were so much fun. So much fun. What did you think of the animated Yeti? I didn't like them. Or the Bigfoot, no? No, I didn't like them. Too cartoony? Yeah, I like, well, it's hard to have one in my basement and play it upstairs and feel kind of sick to my stomach while playing it. So for you guys who don't know out there, yeah, they add these animations to these tables. Yeah. So where Dennis Nordman's, you know, Yeti face is, Bigfoot face on the real Whitewater, they have a fully, he's standing up animated Yeti, and he, like, jumps up and down. and he makes fun of you when you drain the ball. It's kind of fun, but they do all these kind of funny little things. Yeah, so I played a game of Whitewater. It felt really sick. I played a shit ton of games of Attack from Mars, and that was a lot of fun.
    10:03
    I played one game of Medieval Madness and GC'd it, so I felt really good about that. That's awesome. Yeah, it was really, really cool. I just couldn't stop. I played the shit out of it. I was like, and I'm still on ball one? Seriously? This is awesome.
    10:17
    So GC'd that one. That was pretty fun. And then I played Black Rose, and I found that the Black Rose, the ball wasn't moving as fast as the other one, so it threw me off completely. Yeah, it's kind of tough when you had a game or have a game and you played it a lot, and then you get on one of those tables. But, I mean, even, like, yeah, next to Medieval Madness on there, like it wasn't the same ball speed for whatever reason. Like it was just a titch slower. Because if you're playing, like, Attack from Mars, you play 30 games of that on Pinball FX3. Yep. and you switch to Black Rose and it's just a hair slower, then all your reaction time is kind of shitty and you're like, oh, you miss it. Yeah, Attack from Mars is a much faster game than Black Rose in real life too, though.
    10:59
    That ball whips around on Attack from Mars pretty quickly. Yeah, I own a Black Rose. In the real world, when you shot that broadside and it came shooting, screaming back at you. Yeah, that's true. It's not like that in pinball effects. It's slower. But other than that, hey, $30, Attack from Mars, can't beat it. Yeah, if anyone out there is grumbling like, oh, this isn't real pinball, well, it's just fun. Totally not. No, it's not. It's not even close to real pinball. But it's just fun.
    11:26
    I can't not smile when I hear multi-ball. Oh, sure. Oh, that's great. Whatever. And you know what? I was doing the same shit I always do with Attack from Mars when I do play it in real life. It's just like, yep, straight down the middle drain. I'm like, ah, motherfucker. So it is realistic. Yeah, it's as realistic as they come in. I drain plenty on attack from ours. Even when I'm trying to aim for the side shots, you know, because I know it's a trap to shoot down the middle all the time. Oh, that's awesome. Whatever. Stupid thing. So cool.
    12:02
    But, yeah, that's what I did for a little bit today before I had to pick up my daughter. That's cool, man. yeah i bought a bunch of tables today yeah totally bought a bunch of pinball machines bunch of machines yeah that's awesome somewhere zach manny's sitting there just swearing at oh my god yeah he's gonna turn this off yeah digital pinball it's just as good as real pinball jack what what oh man no no i mean i if i could get all those tables for 30 bucks i would definitely prefer the real thing yeah no i just i sit on my couch i play this you know late at night and it's It's just fun. That's a good way to learn the rules. That too. And just seeing if you're like, hey, I might like that hurricane. I've never played one, never saw one. I saw a few pictures or whatever, but I was like, wow, this is really cool. It's got some unique ramps, some unique features. So you're into it. Yeah, it's a cool game. Cool, man. Yeah, so that's all I got from the mall news. That's what I got too, brother. So what do we got? Rick and Morty. Morty, Morty, Morty, Morty, Morty. Well, let's go back to last week's episode when we talked about who possibly had the license. Have your feelings changed at all? Dramatically. Okay. All right. Because at first I thought it could have been Stern or American Pinball was really the...
    13:24
    I think everyone thought American Pinball might have had it when they heard the rumor. Because we kind of know what Stern is cooking up next. But then when they brought that up, everyone's like, ooh, that could be American Pinball's next game. Right. and not having watched the show at all at that point, I was like, okay. Then when I heard it was spooky, I got instantly excited. Yeah, I will say this. I'm still not a fan of the theme, not saying that it's a bad cartoon. I tried to watch the cartoon, and I didn't get very far into it. And this is, man, this is right when it came out. But I recognize the fact that it is a very popular theme. I recognize that the cartoon's extremely popular, and I love the fact that Spooky's doing it. So in that sense, yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the theme, but I'm excited about this pin. Does that make sense? It does, and I'm mixed on the theme just because I've only watched a few episodes. I'm going to watch some more. So far, I'm enjoying the show for the most part. It's not as attention-grabbing for me as some other shows that I enjoy, But, yeah, I do recognize that this theme is a great theme for pinball. And I really want to see Spooky and Eric and team over there, you know, Charlie and everyone else do really well with this. Do we think that this thing is going to sell out almost immediately? No. So you think that, you know, because like Alice Cooper, you know, they sold like, you know, they sold 200 pretty fast out of the gate. Right. And then they sold the next 200 over the next, I don't know, several months. And now they've sold almost all of them. They're almost done making them. So it kind of took them the entire year to sell all 500 of them. But with that being said, this theme is much larger and has a much larger audience than Alice Cooper. Yeah, no, I could see them selling a lot more, a lot faster. Don't get me wrong. So you don't think in five months' time, okay, let's say by the end of the first quarter of next year that they're not going to be sold out? You think you'll still be able to buy a Rick and Morty pen in May?
    15:45
    You'll be able to buy a spot. No, no, not from somebody else, from Spooky. Yeah, I'm saying the spot. So you don't think they're going to sell out in four months? No. Okay. No. Interesting. 750 is a lot of machines for Spooky. It is. You think they're going to sell out then?
    16:01
    I am fairly confident that, like I said, let's call it first quarter. I think by May or at least summer, you will not be able to get Rick and Morty. Interesting. Yeah, you will be able to buy a spot from someone else because they're doing the non-refundable deposits again, which I think is genius. Yeah.
    16:21
    But at that moment, if you call Spooky or you call your distributor, and the distributor might have a few or whatever on order, but you will not be able to get in line.
    16:32
    I just think... 750 is a lot of pinball machines. But in the world of pinball, it's not. Sure it is. Well, because a lot of these big themes... Well, here's my... It's not a big theme. Oh, so you're disagreeing on that. It's not a big... I think it's a big theme. It's not Star Wars, man. No, I know it's not Star Wars, but Star Wars sold 5,000 or 8,000 or whatever they sold. Yeah. you know this is a fraction of that cartoon show yes for a bunch of grown-ass adults yes i i assume there's going to be 500 600 pinball collectors that like rick and morty do i think there's 750 that are going to drop coin right away no i don't think there's 750 will they sell out they will eventually sell out but i don't think it's going to be a rush i think you're going to be able to take your time and you'll be able to get one okay from from spooky okay from spooky yeah you'll be able to get one okay yep i'm calling it before the first half of 2020 is over they're sold out all right we'll write that down on the prediction wall yep a wall that we haven't made yet but we're gonna make now i think we talked about it like episode two we were gonna have a prediction wall we're gonna get there yeah after episode 380 we'll get there so okay well we can we can move past that part of it but um we can debate all day long but it's all it doesn't matter because we don't know no it's all gonna shake out we don't and but what we do know is okay would you say it's gonna sell great is it is it spooky's best theme to date oh by far okay yeah and that's kind of where i'm going with this because that that was my thought process is that it's scott denisi second game yeah um which is definitely going to help sales in and of itself right because even me not being a Rick and Morty fan, I'm like, oh, Scott Denise's game? You know, I was intrigued from the get-go.
    18:21
    And Eric Pripke, he already has a short resume of writing code for pinball machines with Cactus Canyon Continued. Yep. Some street cred there. Yep. We love you, Eric. A little street cred. The rest of the team there, Bo and Karen's one of the greatest pinball players in the world. Yep. He's helping out with rules. Owen's badass, too.
    18:41
    So their team there is... And I love Charlie. Yeah. you charlie so love your bug their team is awesome and now they have this theme and the big thing is going to be the assets and what they can get they also have the creator from one of the co-creators from the show who's doing the voice call outs which is very very cool that's that's i would call that a game changer because we haven't seen that too often well right i mean the reason why i got so excited that spooky's doing this is because they're going to do a theme that they can put everything they can into it they're going to make it a full-on pinball machine as many assets as they can throw in there it'll be complete from top to bottom a badass experience i got no no questions about it but like you said earlier like if it would have been a stern game you know that It just wouldn't have worked out well. I mean, even American Pinball would have done okay with it, but American Pinball has a thing for art and animations, just taking a back seat to the design, and that would hurt them. But, hey, before Alice Cooper, I probably would have had my doubts, but Alice Cooper is such a beautiful game, front and back, animations, sound, artwork. I mean, they put together a hell of a fucking machine. So God bless you guys over there at Spooky, and we're really excited to see this. I can't wait. It going to be cool Sure So that brings up the next thing in the rumor mill Alice Cooper base price is I selling a beautiful one
    20:21
    Do you think they're going to raise the price on this a little bit? I don't know. Okay. I guess it all depends. I don't think Charlie's going to raise the price just to raise it. No. I think it would all depend on how much they put on the license. in all honesty i don't know it doesn't seem like it would be a very expensive license but you never know you never know adult swim cartoon network they're they're heavier hitters than rob zombie and alice cooper i would think but does adult swim all right see now we're going to get into this thing but is adult swim the owner of rick and morty yes or is rick and morty owned by the creators and they have full control over what the products are from what adult swim slash Cartoon Network may have zero say in this.
    21:13
    That's unlikely, though. No, but all the shows on HGTV aren't owned by HGTV. They don't own any of those shows. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm very sure. So they're all Canadian productions or somewhere in LA. Those productions and they sell it or they sell it to HGTV or they rent it out. And I don't think that Cartoon Network isn't too different from that model. So you think that yeah, Cartoon X, Rick and Morty or not, they go to Cartoon Network, they say, hey, we got this show. Yeah, we want to put it on there. Yeah, we want to rent space, basically. And then they say, sure, you can pay us this much per month and run your episodes. Yeah, and you make this much money or whatever. As opposed to Cartoon Network saying, hey, we own this show, we're just going to pay you. Like Nickelodeon probably owns a lot of their shit because it's Nickelodeon. They're a little bit bigger than Cartoon Network. Yeah, for sure, much bigger. They're owned by Viacom or something. They're owning it, but I don't know if Cartoon Network is in that kind of business. They're just trying to fill... Ian, you're making me think on this podcast. I know, I know. I'm sorry, everybody out there. No, that's... It's just an idea. No, I'm intrigued now with that, the contract behind it. That's interesting. Yeah. So, you know, I don't know the details, so I could be totally speculating. Big surprise. I am totally speculating. No, I'm kidding.
    22:34
    I am Mr. Speculation. Big surprise. Drew made a huge assumption here. Spoiler alert. But I'd like to get to our original point. No, I don't think Charlie would raise the price just to make more money. You know what I'm saying? Well, but he would raise the price to pay his workers more. He would raise the price to fund something else for the customers. and at the end of the day as nice as charlie is he's still a business owner he's he's not a greedy profiteer well right but i don't want him to i don't i don't picture charlie as the guy it's like this is a hot theme so let's no no certainly not and that's what i feel like you're saying no not at all oh no oh no no oh no oh no no no no i don't get that from that conversation you just said no i'm just saying that yes with between the cost of the license maybe he wants to offer better health insurance to his employees maybe you know what i mean that's what when when you're a good business person you know you think about some of these other things outside the box and the way to get there it's always money okay that's just the way it is so so charlie would take that extra profit and he would use it for good instead of evil yeah it's the poor man's pinball podcast episode 38 this is a speculation yeah we're speculating we don't know shit we're just making it all up as we go absolutely but um no take this all with a grain of salt but but regardless of all that i think that this license is going to cost a little more than the other licenses i mean it's just it's just a more popular license that's all yeah so maybe it will go up just because of that. Yeah, I think, you know, and when I say go up, it's still going to be less than a certain premium, you know, if it goes to $67.50 or something. You know, nothing crazy. You know, he's already, I mean, Alice Cooper, you buy the butter cabinet and stuff, you're already at $7,500. You add on the other stuff then, you're at almost $8,000. Yeah. So if he says for Rick and Morty, hey, we're going to offer you everything and we're going to charge $69.99, and if you want the butter cabinet, that you pay the extra grand you know i could see him doing that you know and and people would pay seven grand all day for that machine so that's all and they're that fang clan uh fang club edition too yeah so yep the blood suckers edition i think yeah they got the armor the updated armor and shit so yep i'd love to see what that looks like too well you know rick and morty's a lot of um you know yellows and blues and they got the portals and yeah um so yeah you could do a lot of cool cool color schemes for that green yeah yeah a lot of green in that show you're right just the pop of green yeah it's gonna be colorful it's gonna be pretty pretty awesome scott denisi knows what he's doing too you know there's gonna be some innovation there and some more scott denisi original tracks god i'm excited about just you know i'm just generally excited about all the new designer shit you know i'm actually excited that jack danger's still making stuff you know he's trying to get something produced for the masses. I think it's fucking cool. And I'm excited about, you know, Scott Denise. I'm excited about Eric Menier. I'm excited about Keith Elwin shit. You know, like, keep it going, guys. We need some more young guys. Yeah. And I think also, again, you know, regardless of what you think about the theme on its surface, it's going to be a cool pinball machine. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, because once again, Alice Cooper, you know, the theme doesn't do a lot for me. but you look at the way they set it up. You look at how it looks. You look at the art. You hear it. I mean, it's just such a cool package. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. And Charlie's gotten into his own as a designer. So, yeah, Charlie did a good job with that game. No, Alice Cooper is in my top 20 of all time, I would say. Yeah. It's definitely up there. I just love the whole package of Alice Cooper. I don't think any machine, with the exception maybe of Wonka, touches and theme integration and just overall beauty yep nothing stern came out with touches either wonka or i'm sorry people i'm sorry stern guys i'll say even uh even my my baby metallica you know as far as just yeah i said integration and everything no alice cooper holds that torch well the complete package you know yeah funny thing about alice cooper though is is it's on the surface it's a music pin but when you actually play the game it's not a music pin it's not which is probably a good thing because i mean the problem with music pins if you're not into the band you're not into it you know what i'm saying yeah but nightmare castle stuff you would be into that you know what i'm saying it's a it's a story right absolutely it's not the music the music the music in there is just the icing on the cake right i agree with you so that's that's that's why i love that game so freaking much i'm no longer selling my alice cooper i'm just kidding you're just gonna be dropping off his alice cooper and taking the whitewater home with him if you want to do that we can do that before you sell it sure sure we can we can talk about that yeah i'll take the alice down here i'd love to play that uh it's like i said it's it's it's fun to shoot it's it's fun to listen to it's a great game i just you know like i said limited space man no i get it space and yeah ian ian's all pissy with me when he finds out i'm selling it i'm like what are you doing with your whitewater trying to get rid of it yeah i'm always trying to look for an october fest or a wonka those are my goals this year he's had the whitewater what a month two months which i know it's fine drew got the high score in it i don't even want to look at it anymore this thing's trash well i gotta throw this out now get this piece of shit out of here Fucking drew with his soiled my machine.
    28:34
    I soiled her good. So, yeah. Anyways. If anyone wants to trade straight up a whitewater for Oktoberfest. Oh, there you go. Someone out there not liking it, I'll take it. Yeah. Take it off your hands. Whitewater. Everyone loves whitewater. Guys, seriously. He's dead serious. I paid $5,600. Yep. I will throw some cash at you if you... Got an Oktoberfest. Octoberfest. Guy in Octoberfest. That's a good swap. Yep. I'll even leave the Penn Stadiums in for you. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that's what I decided to do with Alex. That's worth the 56. Yeah. Six. Yeah. No, that's a good. We're not too far off, kids. We're not too far off. Nope. So. Send us your Octoberfest to.
    29:15
    And the Whitewater plays like a dream. I love the game. It's just, like you said, like I said, you soiled it for me, so. Yeah. I'm a ruiner. Drew just, dirty Drew sweat all over my machine. but it's really great guys drew didn't puke on my machine when he was holding his junk you heard it here first folks um anything else on rick and morty man it's easy when we both agree with something you know we're like this is a cool ass thing you know yeah unlike jurassic park when i was just like he's an adventure dino land you know like it is it's for me jurassic park which is number three now on pin side i just fucked if i just hate the artwork and the theme they went with the the general direction so good and you know themes everything to me and the shooting is important too how it shoots but and i could care less about rule sets because unless i own it i'm not gonna know yeah see and that's that's that's i think where you and i differ the most on that because i'm into the rules and you know that so like that game is so deep it's coded by elwyn i know it's beautiful uh beautifully coded yeah so that's that's actually what i'm most excited about because the game's super deep it's it's difficult but it's easy to approach and and i dig it yeah no i know you love it i know you love it and i just i love how it shoots obviously um still a little tight for me but damned if they couldn't make that thing look a little nicer and actually follow something that I know of in Jurassic Park besides dinosaurs. And I think there's people working on some call-outs and stuff. Because you can change all that stuff with Pinball Browser, and it's free. So there's a couple people out there that are working on packages, and they're putting in, like, you know, Ian Malcolm and just different things. So I think, you know, over time you're going to see some cool upgrades to that. And before you guys get angry and start sending emails, trust me, I understand I'm in the minority. I get it. you're in the smallest of minorities. Yeah, I get it. And I didn't say that the game doesn't play well or shoot well. I think it shoots amazing, and I think it plays well, and I think the rules are amazing. I just can't get over what they did to that thing. No, one of our listeners actually, and I can't remember who it was, so I'm sorry, but he sent us a message a couple weeks ago, and he was talking about it. He said, yeah, I agree with Ian that there's one too many shots in this game. and he he had bought the game i think it was a premium i can't remember like i said and i apologize that i forgot who this was but um yeah he sent a message and then i asked him i said oh man that's disappointing because i really have been looking at jurassic park and he told me he said no don't let this deter you he said you know i'm i think he said he was trying to get rid of it but he's like you know it's still a great game and this and that whatever but yeah he agreed with you, Ian. One too many shots. Smart man. He wanted one less shot in the game. Is it Jeremy? I don't know. No, I don't think it was. Like I said, I can't remember for the life of me. So many of you guys message us and we appreciate it. Yeah, dude. It's been awesome.
    32:28
    So now's a good time to say, yeah, if you haven't yet, go to Poor Man's Pinball Podcast on Facebook and give us a like if you like what you hear. And if you don't like what you hear, send us a message. Tell us what you don't like we won't change it but we'll and emails at poor man's pinball at gmail.com poor man's pinball at gmail.com and this episode brought to you by seagram's ginger at noms kid and seagram's doesn't don't play that game drew still a sore sore salt wound no we're fine that does remind me though we should uh just um push our our name a little bit more on twip here all right so i think by the time this airs we'll be at the final day so if you have not yet voted for the drop down menu challenge 2019 pre-voting i guess they call it pre-voting uh on twip please do uh go on twip uh so this week in pinball and there's pre-voting click on that link and uh we're right in so yep rookie of the year rookie of the year fuck yeah we're the rookie of the year is there a better rookie i mean there's people that work in pinball that are better rookies but as far as media personality sorry loser kid i love you but we're the creme de la creme right we're the guys we're those guys We're killing it. For better or worse for those guys. All the tears in the world and all the wasted hours you guys spent with us. We're so good at it.
    34:00
    And we're also the write-in for favorite podcasts because what the hell? Why not? And as someone sent us a screenshot, you can type in poor man's pinball slopcast. Yeah, the slopcast. They know us.
    34:15
    They know where we are. We can be called by many names. Everyone knows who you're talking about. All write-ins count, brother. They all know what it means. Could get mad at that. And the winner is the poor man's pinball slop cast. Well, like you said, we may not be the biggest, but let's be the loudest and get a little crazy here and write us in. Yeah, we appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Everyone likes a dark horse. Sure. Especially a drunk horse. Cinderella, drunk at the ball. That's us.
    34:42
    Give me your slipper, bitch. Are there any other podcasts out there that do a fucking Friday? I don't think so. No, only us. I don't think so. Let's get this train wreck back on the tracks here.
    34:56
    Please vote. Yep, please vote. So Rick and Morty, Charlie and team. Love you, Charlie. Yeah, I'm excited.
    35:05
    They're going to start taking orders, it sounds like, this year. I mean, in a couple weeks. It's like Christmas 2019. And join the fan club. $40 a year? $45 a year. $45. And, you know, the one thing that everyone's kind of unsure of, you know, do they go in? So, obviously, the order that you get into the Fang Club is the order that you get to.
    35:28
    Because if you're in the Fang Club, you can purchase the game, like, two weeks before everyone else. Yeah, I don't want to get into it too much because there's a gray area there. But Charlie will figure it out. Yep. Everyone is going to get their shit. Oh, no, everyone's going to get their stuff. It's just a matter of. And it's going to get it. They're going to get it exactly how they want. Charlie will make it right. Charlie's that guy.
    35:51
    Unlike other pinball companies, and this isn't a knock on them, because they operate like businesses across America operate. I'm not saying, but Charlie is more of a hands-on, friendly, family approach. I was going to say, they're legitimately a family business. If you have an issue, Charlie will take care of you. No questions asked. Just ask the coin door lock guy. Yeah. Yeah, whoever that guy was on Pinside. I'm sorry. There are things that, yeah, just get off Pinside, man. Charlie's going to fix it. I don't know who you are, but yeah. Charlie will fix it, so don't worry about it. Yeah, that guy shouldn't be anywhere in life doing anything. Yeah, yeah. Find another hobby, bro. Maybe you should go on some forum about locks and coin doors. You know me, right? I love everybody. I don't like people like that. There's people out there that are like, what the fuck are they talking about? But we're not going to get in here. No.
    36:44
    Coin door gate. blah that's all i gotta say to that guy yeah yeah idiots um okay many douchebags yeah douchey mcdonald's i don't go on i don't go on pin sign very often anymore just because i always it always ends the same way i get all heated about something i live on pin side and i love it and there's but there's people that can that are like that are like rubber man they just bounce they can be like oh well this is turning to trash and then they bounce because they're normal human beings yeah well adjusted yeah me not me i'm like i get sucked into the drama and i'm just like fucking stupid and then i get into the drama and then i'm like what am i doing i need to just stop away and then i get mad and then i is this getting angry is this canada's pinball podcast no no hey he went on a muppet baby's pin side rant i will say this about canada and i like i like canada's show and i i don't care what you guys think of me but his muppet baby episodes When Chris swears, it's almost unnatural. It is. It's super awkward. It is. Like, he must not swear in his normal day-to-day life. No, he doesn't. Yeah. He did, it was like a 13-minute episode, and he was just. He should, I don't know, make it either normal and natural or, you know, that's the problem with anybody that tries to do, like, rants, you know? Yeah. Especially when they're scripted rants, they don't come out that very natural. But with that being said, I do really appreciate the Muppet Babies theme song. Oh, yeah. It's so funny. I just enjoy it. Yeah. So, Chris, you do a good job there, bud. Yeah, it's just fun. That's all. Well, he's got to point them out when he sees them, right? Mm-hmm.
    38:24
    So, yeah, Chris, sorry we're taking your spot this year in the Twippies, but you do a good show. So, anyways. Number one. Hey, man, whoever, hey, if he doesn't win this year, I'm just saying we stole votes. You know what I'm saying? I think we stole some votes from a lot of podcasts. We're like the Bob Dole of podcasts.
    38:43
    The Ross Perot, more like it. Yeah, Ralph Nader. Oh, my God. Vote Nader. Yeah. All right, let's keep going. What do we got else, Drew? You got the list in front of you. I do got the list in front of me.
    38:56
    Okay, so we're done with Rick and Morty. We want to see them well. We'll keep you guys updated as Rick and Morty comes out. You know what we're going to do? We're going to take a pause, and we're going to refill our drinks. enjoy the music alright and we're back Drew how are you man? good man still drinking Doing good.
    39:38
    That's bamboo. Bamboo rum. We're almost done with the bottle. We'll add it to our kill count. We're so close to killing this thing. I'm still with my ginger beam. All right. What do we got?
    39:51
    2020 is right around the corner. So what do we think we're going to see next year in Pinball World? What are we going to see?
    39:59
    What do you want to see? What do you think we're going to see? Well, we're going to see four Stern titles. Yep. Each one will have three pop bumpers, two flippers. Two ramps. One mech. Oh. And some really good artwork. That's what I see from Stern.
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    American Pinball will release their game. It will be a licensed theme. I'm still standing behind it.
    40:25
    Matrix. I don know I don know I don know what they going to do I hope it something 80s nostalgia but I doubt they ever going to go that cool And Spooky's going to roll on with Rick and Morty the whole year, making them, and we're going to hear all about that. You know what? And depending how Rick and Morty does, I think the other companies are going to quietly watch. You know what I mean? because Rick and Morty is one of the first, not the first, but one of the first in a while topical kind of themes. The only other ones that come to mind is like Guardians of the Galaxy, Game of Thrones were done kind of in their middle.
    41:15
    But you even think of all the Stern titles. Yeah, Star Wars is a juggernaut license and they're still making movies, but it was actually based on the older movies.
    41:23
    you know, Black Knight, older theme, Aerosmith, you know, all these things, Ghostbusters. So it'll be interesting to see how a theme that's popular right now, it's still going on right now, how it's going to do. Sure, sure. Because it's a unique approach to licensing, in my opinion.
    41:46
    My biggest question for 2020 is actually from Jersey Jack. Nobody talks about it, but we know the next game should be Guns N' Roses coming out, right? Supposedly, you know, in the next month or two, they'll at least announce it or say something about it. And so you know that's going to take up half the year. Yep. Is everyone very convinced that Toy Story 4 is after? Well, that's a take my money now license. I sure hope so. All right. I'm curious. I don't know. No, I know. And here's the thing. Because does that not make it a Pat Lawler game? And do you think Pat Lawler likes Toy Story? for. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you're right. That doesn't seem like a good match to me. So, who do they got? They got Eric Menier and Pat Lawler. Is that it? Those are the designers? I think you're right, yeah. Yeah, because Pat Lawler did Dialed In.
    42:40
    Eric Menier did Pirates. Eric Menier is supposedly doing Guns N' Roses. And Pat did Willy. And who did hobbit was joe balser who is with american football huh interesting yeah so are we really gonna push that square peg in a round hole we're gonna do that huh why'd you have to ruin my hopes no i just don't know if that's the second one though what if it isn't yeah that that's the thing that's my question with 2020 like all these rumors you always hear like remember we were so convinced that teenage mutant ninja turtles was next and then like a month later they're like you know no it's stranger things and teenage mutant turtles is coming out thanks kaneda thanks for ruining my hopes and dreams sir um because yeah uh i'm not you know stranger things is a great show i'm i'm not super excited about the pinball machine i'll say it right i mean you know it's it's funny it's a show that preys on nostalgia right yep yep and um so right there they have a lot of people's money yeah the 80s 80s theme yeah you're right um the first season was good it was a good season it was a really good season i enjoyed it um and that's where it kind of ends for me because i'm with the other seasons were really bad yeah um but you know hey man it's it's a good theme though like it but again what is what is stern gonna put in there you know what i'm saying yeah is it just gonna be cool yeah i said cool artwork and you know it's gonna have some can't do the 80s music you know can't do the actors voices you know i'm gonna say this yeah let's let's take away the actors if they can't get any of that 80s music to put in there yeah it's a dud right well i mean the the most iconic music in stranger things is that opening but you can't have that throughout the whole F&A. No. You know what I'm saying? When you start the game that's what you should hear. But after that it should have something that is recognizably 80s I guess is what I'm saying. Well look at Guardians of the Galaxy. That's what was cool because they had that cool music mix. Great question. If they get that then they're fine. Yeah. Absolutely fine. They had those cool music mix in Guardians. I know.
    45:10
    I just hope, I mean, I have a strange feeling that they're going to be giving. A stranger feeling? They're going to have a stranger. The stranger thing that's going to happen is they're going to let Brian Eddy go nuts for his first game. I just feel like that's a thing. And then I will be more excited because, you know, I like Brian Eddy.
    45:33
    We don't know who's doing art on this one. No. Okay. and we don't know who's coding it. Yeah, I don't know who's next. Okay. Oh, it would be the Deadpool team, right? Oh, Tanya and, yeah. I assume so. Which would be okay. Yeah. I can get behind that team. Yeah. Because they're younger. Yeah. That would be kind of good. Yep.
    45:57
    So. The problem is the dream theme stigma, right? Everyone has a picture in their head. Yep. Very rarely. John Borg and Lyman. Sorry. Yeah, very rarely does that line up with expectations. That's all. John Borg and Lyman are doing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and I'm going to buy one.
    46:17
    It's happening. Drew, I don't know where the fuck you're going to get all this money, but there's like four Dream Teams you're getting next year. I know. I keep saying, like, oh, this is a buy it now, buy it now. If you hit the lottery, I can guarantee your arcade tomorrow, or by the end of the year, will be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. you'll have a Rick and Morty you'll have a Toy Story 4 you'll have a Wonka just cause fuck it and your wife's gonna sit there like where's my husband yep I need his penis and you're gonna be like no it belongs to Toy Story 4 this is a true story this happened sorry buddy dropped a hard P there Yeah, all the things we say on this show, and this is when you apologize. A hard P, I'm sorry, everybody. I love you all.
    47:10
    No, well, there is some good stuff in the pipeline, and I'm learning to temper my expectations. Teach me Ninja Turtles. Yes. I forgot that one. Yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to. So I'm kind of already ahead one title. I want to see what Brian Eddy does. All right, quick, impromptu top five next year's games. Rank them for me. How excited are you from five to one? So five Stranger Things. Or do you want to do one? One to five. Okay. Should I make it easier? Yeah, I don't know.
    47:39
    One is probably Toy Story. Two is... Really? Over TV? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Toy Story, ever since I heard they were making it, I was pretty excited about it. Did you watch the fourth one? Yes. Okay. Very cool.
    47:52
    I love Forky. Oh, yeah. Forky's so funny. Forky, I never related to any Toy Story character until... Until Forky. Fucking Forky. But we can talk about that on fucking Friday, I think. But, all right, go ahead. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, number two.
    48:09
    Three. What else did we... American Pinball, just because I want to see what their third title is. Okay. You know, regardless of what it is. We got Rick and Morty. We got Stranger Things. We have Guns N' Roses. I'll even throw Wonka in there and Jurassic Park. Well, if you're throwing those in there... Yeah, I want to see where those rate. Oh, then it's Jurassic Park. Is number one? Yeah. Over all those dream themes you have in your head? Yeah. Drew, you're a sick bastard. It's already a game that I know is really good. Yeah. So in that case, because of that, it's like Jurassic Park, Wonka, Toy Story, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and then...
    48:57
    American Pinball. Yeah. Or Rick and Morty. American Pinball. Well, see, American Pinball, Rick and Morty, and Guns N' Roses. Because Guns N' Roses, I'm just interested to see how they do a music pin. All right, guys. So, ladies and gentlemen, if you're just joining us, this is a classic Ian mistake where he asked Drew to rate things on licensing and themes, and we always learn the same lesson. He doesn't give a shit about themes. No, that's not true. As much as you think. That's not true. I'm refining my choices your list is nothing to do with theme oh sure it is that's why Jurassic Park is number one it's one of my favorite movies of all time it has nothing to do with your favorite movie of all time brother oh so now you're going to ruin my hopes and dreams too everyone's squashing my hopes and dreams no I've given that a lot of thought and because there are all these great themes coming out and limited on space and money I have to really make better decisions and that's what I'm trying to teach myself to do. It's not going so well. All right, Kathleen. But I'm trying. Yeah, you sound like you're in the D.A.R.E. program. I know. Make better choices. I'm going to try to make better choices.
    50:14
    Jurassic Park is a great theme. Whether you think it's Dino Adventureland or not, I really dig it. Color by Dino. But Pat Lawler, Toy Story, I can get behind that too because, like I said, Toy Story is super cool. So it's hard to do that top five just because some games are here and some games aren't. How's that? Sounds good. What was our – what are we talking about? Predictions, right? Predictions of 2020, yeah. So we're kind of there. And then you threw in Jurassic Park and Wonka. That's where you really threw me from the loop, dude. Yeah. Because if you would have took those out, I would have been okay. But then, yeah, you just ruined it.
    50:53
    Ruiner. Yep, that's what I do. So anything else you want to see next year? I mean, do you think, so American Pinball. I'm curious about American Pinball, and I'm curious about what Jersey Jack brings. And we haven't talked about it in a while. I mean, we just talked about it now. I talked about it briefly, but Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, is that something you want to see? I just. Or you just. I think by now everybody kind of knows my position on Stern. Like, they just love to disappoint. Oh, I want to share one quick story about that, by the way. So remember a couple episodes ago when we did our top five things we want to see in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Yeah. Right? Remember how I said Technodrome and you just shit all over me? Yeah. So stupid. Okay. So. I didn't shit on you. Yeah. Oh, you shit on me. Hardcore. Oh, God. Shitter. Sensor. Give a shit. Pun intended.
    51:47
    I was at a local bar that has some good pinball yesterday, last night. and it was it was quiet and that one of the owners was there and we were just shooting the breeze and we were talking about a similar topic about next year and i said hey did you hear about teenage mutant ninja turtles he said no and he's he's a few years younger he's 32 and he said you know what would be cool in there i said yeah i want to know what you think and i didn't say anything he said the technodrome yeah and i dropped the mic and i said oh he goes because you guys can't possibly be wrong he said he said that that would be such a cool toy in a pinball machine and i was like yeah that's what i said and i got shit on oh the coolest thing about the turtles isn't the interdimensional bad guys like if that's the case then krang is a great villain for you yeah he'd be a great toy too the technodrome they would never be able to fit the scale in the game. It would suck.
    52:49
    Shitter. Just a small little ball that's the Technodrome in the corner. Like the Death Star? Yeah. It would look like the Death Star. It would do nothing for me. I am sorry, everybody out there that loves the Technodrome, but I am not a big fan. So you hate the Death Star, too?
    53:06
    Yeah. That whole game. Are we going to talk about Star Wars? No, no, no. This is like fucking Friday. We can't. No, no, no. We've got to refocus our energy here. It's all over the place. I know, I know. Get me all worked up. Hey, you're getting me worked up. We're getting each other worked up. Technodrome.
    53:26
    God damn it. Steve, how's your vasectomy going right now, buddy? You just emailed us at poormansfittball at gmail.com. Yeah, is this soothing for you? Yeah. Is this the best thing? I don't know if you're laughing. Is that even worse for insecting? Yeah, don't snip the wrong thing. Oh, my God. We're setting you for sweating.
    53:50
    I'm going to sell my white water so I can get some boxing gloves down. All right, so 2020 is over. We're looking past it. It's already a shit storm, yep. We're already angry at each other. There's some cool stuff that's coming out. And, you know, forget 2020. It looks like the end of 2019 is going to finish out strong. You know, we got Rick and Morty. We got potential Stranger Things. and we're going to see all this stuff hopefully before Christmas. So it's going to be a good Christmas for pinball. I'm excited. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas, pinball land.
    54:25
    And now it's time for everyone's favorite Top 5. Alright, should we do a Top 5? Top 5. A real Top 5. Top 5, Top 5, Top 5. What is today's Top 5, Ian? Top 5. Pinball. cartoon themes that we would like to see. Ooh, this is right at my wheelhouse. These are cartoon themes that have not been made and we want to see them. That have not been made. That's the key. We tried doing ones that were made and we're like, there really wasn't a lot of good ones. It was hard to... They lost me after The Simpsons. Yeah, we're like, Simpsons?
    55:01
    South Park and... And then we're like, Flintstones? But we're like, no, that's based on the movie. Yeah, Flintstones is based on the movie. Family Guy wasn't very good. Jetsons was a contract game. There's some out there, I'm sure, but it's just not... Would you consider Shrek? I was going to say Shrek was a reskin. Animated.
    55:22
    Shrek could be in there. It's better this way anyway. These are top five cartoon themes that we would like to see. Actually, you know what? No CGI. We okay? No Pixar. This is drawn animation. Oh, fuck yeah. My shit is... Not only is my shit hand-drawn, it's hand-drawn poorly. Oh, I love it. Because I didn't even put Toy Story in this one, by the way, because that's not... Okay, we're good. All right, why don't you start us off, Tyler? All right, number five. We just talked about it. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the cartoon slash video game.
    55:53
    Data East was like a... I thought you said they couldn't be done already. Yeah, was that the cartoon, though? It's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, yeah. It looked like the cartoon to me. All right.
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    I failed already. i just i just want to see a real good one all right number five for me is this is old school hannah barbara days uh thundar the barbarian what i've heard of it thundar the barbarian bro that is hannah barbara hannah barbara google that shit sure tell me that wouldn't be a badass pinball machine. Super cool. Wow, you're in the archives, man. It's rough, it's rugged, it's terrible animation, and it would be awesome. Apparently Ian doesn't understand the homework worse than I don't understand the homework. Awesome. Are you kidding me? I would love that game. I would buy that game. Hey, I'm good with it, man. Mine's a similar theme, but a much more well-known theme for number four. Are you ready? Yeah. Number four? He-Man. Masters of the Universe. I said yeah. it's a good it'd be a cool theme yeah i mean you know there's a lot of cool i mean all those 80s cartoons are kind of neat like that yep yep i get it i i he-man um yeah i mean it would be cool having skeletor and shit you know um probably wouldn't cost you a bunch of money either i'm kind of thinking about the new alvira if that was like castle greyskull oh yeah you know that that would be kind of neat yeah and then if you did something like that and you had that be the focal point i mean you can't beat that villain you know skeletor is such a good villain and all the shots would be like a different villain and they would show up on the screen or something so i i think they could do some cool stuff for that i'd be excited to see that nice um speaking of good villains uh i got transformers generation one i thought about doing that i know they have the transformers pin it's you know it's kind of more of the movie stuff yeah it's the movie but um So, yeah, no, that was definitely on my honorable mentions along with some other ones. But, yep. Transformers. Can't go wrong, man. Number three, you ready for this? Yep. This is the one we've been talking about on Fuck It Friday, Ren and Stimpy. Yeah, no, I was going to put that down myself.
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    You could go adult with it. You could go kids with it. Powder Toast Man, Log. Yep. There's so many great characters other than Ren and Stimpy. Just the humor and the call-outs. Oh, yeah. The farts and the boogers. Yeah. You could have like booger multi-ball or, you know, just. There could be literally 20 different things they could use for a tilt. Oh, my God. It would, yeah. No, sir, I don't like it. You know, there's a million. There's a million. The call outs. These hands. Yeah. Call outs would be great. Yeah, you could have. You idiot. You know, every time. All the different modes of them like dressed up in like different costumes. Yeah. You know, they're like in the military. They're doing this. They're doing that. Yeah, so super cool. Yeah, I thought about that one too, big time. Super cool. So, yeah, I'd be stoked for that one. All right. This one got me really excited just thinking about it because I have not heard this one yet. We're on number three, right? Yep. Number three, the Mr. T cartoon. Oh, my God.
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    Talk about 80s nostalgia. Super cool. Pity the fool. I would love a Mr. T pinball machine. And anyone who doesn't didn't grow up in the 80s. What about the 18 cartoon as a pinball machine? If they had a cartoon. Yeah, they had a cartoon. A-Team? Yeah, check it out.
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    It was short-lived. I think it was like one season, a couple episodes, but they did it, yeah. Yeah, Mr. T's in that too, so that would make it all the better. All the better. Hey, you can't get enough Mr. T. In fact, every one of these teams that we're going to see today, they should just sprinkle in some Mr. T. It doesn't matter what it is. He-Man's fighting Skeletor. Mr. T comes in. Pity the fool. Mr. T is one of those actors. Where's that purple? There's like a handful of them. They just never age. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? He's a cancer survivor. He disappeared forever. And then he just came back. He's like, oh, yeah, I had cancer, but I'm good now. And he's like, you are a fucking stud, dude. Him and Hulk Hogan? Yeah. Hulk Hogan's like 110 years old, and he looks like he's 60. And it's just crazy to me. Hogan in the 80s looked like he was 60. I know. With that hot dog skin and his silken Chinese hair. But when he was doing that reality show in the early 2000s, he looked the same. Yeah. It was just crazy. Yeah. I just don't understand how that happens. His arms are crazy. Yeah. He didn't get flabby. No, his arms are like my waist. Because you look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, he looks like he's whatever age he is. Yeah. But Hogan didn't go that route. It pretty intense Yeah So anyways Steroids are a hell of a drug Yeah I guess All right Number two Number two Funny funny show They might be rebooting this and what interesting about it is they talked about rebooting it in real time meaning that the characters will have actually aged, which is cool. King of the Hill.
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    Okay. Same thing. Just some quirky stuff. It's very well received. You could have some cool call-outs. If you've got some of the actors to do that, you've got Mike Judge. And I'll just do King of the Hill slash Beavis and Butthead because Mike Judge is just a creative genius. He's entertaining. It was so interesting when that came out. Do you remember when that came out? They're like, oh, the owner? Oh, King of the Hill. Yeah. They're like, oh, the creator of Beavis and Butthead is going to be on Prime Time. Yeah. And everyone was like, whoa, wait, what? What is this going to be about? And you're watching and you're like, oh, it's just like a normal cartoon. Yeah. Well, yeah, it was based on the neighbor, Anderson, and he turned into Hank Hill. But they've been talking about rebooting it, and yeah, Bobby's like a 30-year-old man. Oh, nice. And Hank's like 60 or whatever. Yeah, I thought it was kind of cool. That's a good idea. Yeah. It's like no one's ever done that. They don't age them. Like, Simpsons are still the same age. It's kind of cool. Interesting pinball. Yeah. Interesting pinball choice. Oh, man. But just with the new LCDs, just to have some of the clips, and that's why I'm excited about Rick and Morty, because that's just kind of cool. You can do some cool shit. Okay. So, yeah, king of the hill. Number two for me, I just thought of the toys. I thought of the artwork. I thought of all the different modes you could have, but DuckTales. Ooh.
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    Soundtrack, all of that shit. DuckTales would be actually a really good theme for pinball. That is a good one. And I'll just add to that Chippendale's Rescue Rangers. Yeah, but this one has more gadgetry to it. You know what I'm saying? How about Inspector Gadget? Speaking of gadgetry, I didn't even think of that. No? You weren't into that? Well, because there's a lack of villain in that one, whereas in... Mr. Claw. Yeah, but it was always just like... That's the whole shtick. Oh, now we're going to have this fight. I don't want to have a fight over Mr. Gadget or Inspector Gadget or whatever. It's happening. Matthew Broderick ruined it, so it's already done. I don't even count that. He killed it. That doesn't even count. Fucking fuck Matthew Broderick. You know what? Really? Do you remember what Inspector Gadget the cartoon was all about? Do you remember that show? As a kid, I loved it. It was about Penny and that fucking dog. Inspector Gadget didn't know what he was doing. Yeah, that's true. But it's still an iconic theme, though. The Claw or Mr. Claw. Yeah, was it The Claw or was it Mr. Claw? He was getting beat by this. Dr. Claw, I think it was. He had his PhD in clawness.
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    He got bested by a 12-year-old every week. I'm just saying that it would make a good thing. But I agree, DuckTales would be a good theme. I totally didn't even think about it. All right, your number one, Futurama.
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    Sorry, that one supersedes take my money for Toy Story. The Super Seeds take my money for Jurassic Park. I told Ian before we started recording, I said, that comes out. I'm taking out my credit card. I'm calling Zach Menny. I'm like, here's my credit card. Send me a premium. It's happening. You know, that's it. That's just how it works. And by the way, I don't use my credit card for any pinball purchases, but that one, I would. Yep. I know. I know you. Futurama is just you know because it's by the creator of the Simpsons is one of my favorite shows of all time but Futurama just has so many more pinball things that could be oh I'd be I would sell my Simpsons pinball party to get Futurama how about that Stern are you listening that's so weird it is because you're a Simpsons guy I know like I said Futurama would trump that in a heartbeat even if Stern did it yes you're fucking crazy yeah that's one of the few titles that If Stern did, I don't care who... I don't care if some... I'll tell you what. You're fucking crazy. If some company says we're making this and we need a $5,000 deposit, I'm giving them a $5,000 deposit.
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    Are you listening, Dutch Pinball? Except Dutch Pinball. You got one guy here that's going to give you five grand. All you got to do is announce it tomorrow.
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    All right. And my number one is G.I. Joe. I knew that would be that. Yeah. G.I. Joe. That's another great one. Yeah. Lots. I have so many figures I can glue on my play field. Oh, man. Yeah, Stern would make it, and we'd have nothing, and then Ian's like, here's 30. Yeah, I got a freaking Humvee I'm going to just glue to this thing. A whole army. No, that'd be a good one, though. All those, like I said, Transformers, the ones we didn't talk about were Thundercats would be another good one. Did you say Thunder the Barbarian? No. Nobody ever said those words anywhere ever. All right, well, kids do your homework. Thunder the Barbarian would be awesome. Yeah, Thundercats. Who else did I have my honorable mentions? Scooby-Doo, which is just going to be cool. That was done. Oh, no, it wasn't done. It was going to be done. Yeah, it's a cool theme. We can get behind it. I had G.I. Joe in it. Animaniacs was another one that... Yeah, I thought about it. Yeah, just fun, quirky. Looney Tunes, Beavis and Butthead. We kind of talked about Muppets. That's not really a cartoon. No. Wumpet Babies is. Yeah, so you could... Muppet Babies. So that's happening. Hey, Steve, how's your vasectomy doing?
    66:23
    Sniff, sniff. My asshole tightens up thinking about it. I don't know why. Anyway. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe.
    66:43
    Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Right now, yeah! Poor Man's Pinball Tribe member inductees. We're looking for number seven and number eight in the Poor Man's Tribe. We're still in the top ten of the Poor Man's Tribe. It's the top ten boys that we love. And ladies, don't forget to like us, subscribe, and email us. For whatever reason, women don't want to talk to us.
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    Just like our wives. It's weird. Yeah, send us a message. Yeah, no doubt. So, without further ado, let's do number seven. You ready? I'm ready. Who's number seven? Should we just jump into it? Yeah. We don't need to talk to the five pillars, do we? Nope. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, five pillars of excellence. Okay? Five pillars. We're not going to go into them, but just think about it.
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    All right. Number seven. Drum roll. number seven is glenn wechter glenn wechter glenn has been messaging us for a while now weekly yeah all the time he won't leave us alone all kinds of great stuff yeah mostly it's we only had to get one restraining order against them but other than that it's been good now now glenn has been fantastic with his communication he is a hardcore tribe member um uh been a big fan of ours for a long time now yeah he's always sending us cool stuff he sends his pictures every pinball place he goes and it's awesome yeah listening listen to him on uh last week's um pinball nerds podcast uh he was on with orbital albert uh he did drop us drop a name drop us so i appreciate you glenn for doing that that that checked the box you helped share and spread some love from the the poor man's pinball podcast so appreciate you glenn and he also does pretty goddamn good in his tournaments his local tournament he's he's a player man that guy it seems like he's up there and in typical poor man fashion he learned how to play backwards with his ass right to the cabinet so uh that works well with our brand of pinball and there's a video of that somewhere pictures or something right he's like he sends it to us yeah he's like literally backwards on the machine with his hands between his legs, like flipping the flippers. Next time, Glenn, you send us a picture and video of that, please have pants on. It's fucking ridiculous.
    69:14
    Wear pants. Wear pants, Glenn. Jesus. Yeah, we have low standards here at the Poor Man's Pinball, but one of the rules is wear pants. Actually, you know, Drew said low. I thought he was going to say no.
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    We got to draw the line in the sand somewhere, sirs. Yeah, so. Glenn, welcome. Glenn, congratulations, man. Welcome to the tribe. You are number seven. And he is currently in Tennessee, but he's a Milwaukee resident, or a Wisconsin native. He's a Wisconsin boy, yeah. But in Tennessee. Awesome. So number eight. Number eight. Here we go.
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    Sean Frayden. so sean uh sean and i and ian we met at uh expo and we helped sean shill his metallica which he gave you five bucks yeah it's awesome yeah we got a whole five dollars from selling that metallica for him so worth it um sean and i email uh once or twice a week we've been talking a lot about jurassic park him and i have the same taste in pins he owned a metallica he owned an f-14 he now owns a jurassic park pro i'm like i like this guy he's he is tribe worthy just from his collection alone yeah absolutely um but yeah so he's he's just a cool guy uh he's 6.5 degrees on pin side you want to look him up um just just a cool guy for the community he's a uh northern illinois resident which we won't hold against them but um he's not part of the pillar so you're in yeah no he he does it he communicates with us uh like i said we actually met him at expo and he's the real deal and uh you know sometimes you meet people in person and you're like yeah they didn't seem like they did and you know whatever but no he's he's he's that man he's the tribe through and through so all right sean f thank you sir glenn and sean number seven and number eight so we still have many spots to fill we're gonna fill a hundred of them yep no doubt so uh eight eight members and uh before the end of the year so that's that's awesome yeah let's go through the tribe members um we can do that no problem here all right so number one is Ryan Kuiper. Choreographic 7. Yep. Number 2 is Martin, listener number 15. Tribe member number 2.
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    Number 3, Brad Hopkins. Number 4, Ian Howler. Number 5, Eric Walker. Number 6, Michael Williams. Damn it, I'm thirsty. Number 7, Glenn Wechter. And number 8, Sean Fraden. Awesome. Great job, man. That is. That's eight tribe members. We feel strong about that. Yep. So thank you, everyone. But keep working hard. We're going to get to 100 tribe members in no time. Yeah. Yeah, keep sending us your stuff, and we're going to keep thinking about our swag bag. And early next year, you'll hear some new stuff on our podcast, and we're going to keep rolling with this, though. Absolutely. All right. Welcome to the tribe. Welcome to the tribe, gentlemen. But we need some ladies. Ladies in the tribe. Yeah, some females in the tribe. Not to make it weird, but it'd be nice.
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    This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby. Oh, I'll tell you what kind of thing is my bag, baby. The Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, Mailbag.
    72:41
    Alright, so let's go Mailbag. Mailbag? Mailbag. Let's do it. Mailbag. What do we got this week? Well, Michael Williams emailed us. He said, that is so cool you guys made me a member of the tribe. Of course we did, Michael Williams. You're part of the original. You're the OGs. Thank you. As I was listening to things you never hear, Ian said you guys are the most lowbrow podcast.
    73:05
    I got to thinking, maybe that means you guys should be going for a low and brow sponsorship. The beer, low and brow.
    73:13
    Seems fitting, right? It does, Michael Williams. It's very fitting, except no one wants to sponsor us. But Lowenbrau's like a legit beer. And they're like, yeah, they're even too lowbrow for us. I know Lowenbrau means lion's beer, which means Doug Trilogy beer. Should be serving it in the time machine whenever he has it on location. But hey, you can't pass up a play on a word like that. Cheers, Mike. Well, thank you, Mike, very much.
    73:39
    We're right on it. We're going to send some emails to Lowenbrau. Yeah, we're going to send it to every drink company in the world until we get one. Hey, all we need is free shit to send to you guys, right? Just one. That's a good idea. Seagrams, Jim Beam. I'm looking at all this stuff around us. We can do it.
    73:56
    Troy Swoop. Wah-ha-ha-ha-ha. Okay, I completed my Twippy pre-vote ballot. Yep, you guessed it. I wrote in your show as the best podcast. Slap Save Pinball Podcast. Right? Thanks, Troy. Yes, Troy. Thank you. You nailed it.
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    There's more, but I'd like that. That was a good line. Sean F. You know, I'm not going to read all those because they're all to you, buddy.
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    Sean F. and I were talking about he just got a Jurassic Park Pro, and I was asking about it. He's like, yep, kicks ass, would sell everything for it. Yes. And that's what I'm doing. So here we go. Yep, absolutely. Jurassic Park's coming home.
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    And we have some things on Facebook. Facebook, Facebook, Facebook. Inbox here. um all right we already talked about steve and his vasectomy steve i hope it's still going well uh step step glenn sending his same bullshit that he always sends thanks glenn thanks um uh seth um seth propios propios propios sounds greek all right seth great show my buddy jeremy waterson just had a love letter featured on number 36 why does martin number 15 sound like he could be a drew ian love child yeah hashtag martin gates p.s dad jokes is the worst which is to say it's the best so uh yeah seth um you know drew and i are a lot of things um lovers being one of them but i don't remember either one of us getting pregnant so and we haven't really met martin but but we haven't had to pay any child support either so that's a good thing we'll we'll take your word for it we will meet martin at some point and uh yeah maybe he is our love child who knows yeah i'm hoping um uh ryan utek uh so have you guys thoughts changed on rick and morty yeah we kind of talked about that we um drew's watching the show um he's getting better acquainted with it so he's excited about it and i am again not exactly thrilled with it but i am super excited at the same time sure we'll see what what spooky can turn out with i'm sure it's gonna be a great game either way there's a lot of emails here um i'm not gonna go into everything but uh we'll end it with daniel donnell he sent this uh a few days ago but um he says i wanted in the tribe great show fellas by far the funniest pinball podcast thank you daniel uh drink recipe bookers eggnog shit ton of bookers bourbon about 128 proof and a couple dashes of eggnog boom um dad joke why do mermaids wear seashells because b shells would not work they would not fit um and then yes so light check mark shared check mark drink check mark joke check mark secret tribe what tribe check mark suck on that asshole as well daniel i will say this and i also want to make this kind of clear for everyone so the five pillars yes you hit almost all of them secret pillars number four and five um i just want everyone to know uh they are not related to buying our shit on silver bell swag so don't feel like you have to buy something to get my tribe member i've had a few emails about that no um that's not part of the secret no we we definitely don't want you guys spending your hard-earned money just to be part of the tribe yeah don't do that um but you can go to silver bell swag and get stuff if you want to support us that'd be great and then you get something for it but other than that no sir that is not something that uh is required so uh but thank you daniel that was great um that's all i got for emails you got anything over there nope that was most of them that was a lot of them there's a few more and i didn't get to them i'm sorry people but we love you anyway next time sure yeah we gotta i need to start we need to do a whole episode of this just a mailbag episode yes all right super secret mailbag is that it that's it man it's so sad uh so a little announcement for you guys i don't want to break anyone's heart um we are going to do a fucking friday episode this week but after that we are going to take a little hiatus uh we're going to take a couple weeks off to recharge the batteries uh do a little bit of a show planning try to get this to be even better for you guys and uh and me and my editing side i need a break so we're gonna take a couple weeks off here um enjoy the holidays with family and i hope you all do too and um we will see you in the new year we'll see you in 2020 we will probably release a couple of things um maybe pre-recorded maybe not um before that but our regular scheduled program will not until the beginning of 2020. Yep. So enjoy your time without us.
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    But feel free. We will still be checking the Facebook page and interacting with you guys and stuff like that. Yeah, absolutely. That's simple, simple, simple. We're just taking just a much-needed break. We've been going hardcore since March. Yeah. We went on that one vacation, but we literally have it just a week. So it seems like we just have fun here and we just drink and whatever. and we do, but there's some work that goes into it, time away from our families.
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    We're certainly just gearing up for some better things. We just want to make sure it's good content. Yeah, and if we feel a little flat, which I think we do lately, so we're going to recharge and get crazy again and get some more people in the roundtable here. You've got some good stuff planned. Tear some shit up. So we love you, and thank you very much for listening. Like us on Facebook, the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast.
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    Don't forget to go to TWIP and do the pre-voting if you haven't already. Please, please, please. Pre-vote on TWIP. Visit and buy our shit on silverballswag.com. Yep. And email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com. And check us out in a couple of days on Fuck It Friday. And Fuck It Friday, of course. We love you all. Thank you. Thanks, guys.
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    We'll be right back. you