And so we have, for pinball, we have materials from Atari's coin-op. So looking at even materials where it's like, these are the original engineering drawings for Hercules. These are materials related to the engineering department at Williams. We have the original bills and materials for Bally games going back to the 1930s. You don't want to show that. People will be upset now when they see the cost today. So you better hold that one back, Jeremy. Why I'm here today is because you reached out to myself and some other publications about kind of a new exhibit that we're going to be seeing here. And you showed me a little bit as you're really setting it up right now. But it's near and dear to so many people's hearts here, certainly in New York State, when we think of the late, great Steve Epstein and what he did with Broadway Arcade, what he did with the creation of Papa, the creation really of competitive pinball, which is what brought me to Rochester for a tournament this weekend. and why so many people will come to the RPC to the event in March too and why you're going to see a lot of pinball players walk through here is because of what Steve did to kind of create this addictive hobby, if you will, that has some competitiveness to it but really has become more than that. It's just a safe space for a lot of people. And tell us what you've got going on with Steve Epstein. So Steve was such an iconic figure in the history of coin op and the history of pinball in particular. And so after he had passed, we as a museum worked with Roger Sharp and Steve's family to really to in part honor him, but also to bring materials into the collection that would allow us to preserve his legacy in a different way. And that's to say that we're preserving materials related to his work that 100 years from now, people will be able to use these materials to understand what Steve did, to understand the Broadway arcade, which is unfortunately long gone. But in this case, we were able to acquire some original documents, stuff related to Steve's work, creating with Roger Sharp and others, Papa, his work with the Broadway Arcade, his publicity. There are scrapbooks. There's photographs. There's this beautiful photograph with his dad, David, from the 60s. There's all these materials, including videos, some of which photographs and videos are on display in our Infinity Arcade exhibit. Particularly, this is an exhibit that focuses on the history of coin op. And so there is incredible video from inside the Broadway arcade from the 80s and the 90s that, you know, just was remarkable to see. It's going to bring back memories big time. I was lucky enough to go there once, but I was very young, long since forgotten, and really didn't know how much that would affect me and what I do later on in life in this pinball hobby and pinball media, if you will. Well, to see those videos, to bring it back to life in a way, certainly is going to be something that is really touching to those that knew Steve, those that remember the heyday of, my gosh, it's right there on Broadway. And this wonderful event that hosted Lou Reed's wedding reception and how the creation of what we've come to today really started a lot there with Steve, with Roger and some of the others, too. This is exciting. Yeah, it is. And, you know, as a historian myself and someone who has worked a lot with the coin op community over the years, Steve has just been so important to this history. And the operator, the person who owns the arcade, what I often refer to as kind of the front line of the coin op industry is really that's an area that isn't very much talked about in the history of coin op. It's usually you're talking about the developers of the game. So true. We do talk about Harry Williams. We do talk about some of these creators that kept it going. But somebody's got to foot the bill and give us the location to be able to play these and to maintain the games. Because if they're not maintained, you're not going to enjoy yourself. That thing just took my quarter. I'm not playing ever again. Pinball is stupid. But when you have people like Steve and operators that really take care and really help us grow it and they spend the money to bring in the newest games. It was just such an important part of our history of Americana. And again, your focus on operators is something that we really haven't seen a lot of. And I'm telling you, there's a lot of operators that listen to this podcast that are going to be going here, here. You know, hail to the operators, 100%. Yeah, and I would say to those operators that that's an area that we would love to continue to collect, you know, stories and materials that help tell those stories. So this is really a beginning, I think, in some ways, because Steve was such a great evangelist for pinball and the arcade. He understood better than I think most the ways in which coin-op games and pinball brought people together. And so the social aspects of play that we really focus quite a lot at here at the museum. And he understood that. And he, you know, being in New York City and the location that he was in for so many years, he was bringing in people from New York from all backgrounds, but also travelers from all backgrounds. And so that's one of the ways that – one of the really special things that play can do. It can kind of cross these cultural boundaries, language, class, all of these things. And I think Steve understood that more than most because he saw it every day and he had this sort of secret code, the secret sauce to get through to people. And so his is such a remarkable story. I hope it the beginning of us collecting and telling more stories of these operators and the work that they do People listening right now are going I got some stories Where do they reach you? So you could please come to the Strong's website, thestrong.org or museumofplay.org. You can also reach me by email, jsaussier at museumofplay.org. and we're on Facebook, we're on X, Instagram, all those places. Please reach out. Because of everything you have here at The Strong, you've seen toys that have come and gone. They, for whatever reason, just fell out of favor. Technologies maybe changed things. Our attention spans have changed in what we like to consume. When you think of pinball, and pinball's had some dark days too where arcades like Broadway Arcade shut down. There was a period in the late 90s where home consoles were just, it was more affordable for me to spend the money on a PlayStation, a Sega Genesis, a Nintendo, an Atari. I don't need to go out to do this, this, this. And we saw it as pinball players when, look at that Space Invaders. Wow, that's pretty cool. Look at Pac-Man. Look at all these video games that took attention away from pinball and what the arcades really were all about. And from an operator's standpoint, it was like, hey, this is easier to maintain than the 3,000 moving parts in a pinball machine. So the arcades kind of slipped away. They've come back with the family centers now, the Dave & Buster's and things like that, Chuck E. Cheese and all those type places, and just even actual arcades and barcades. And whether it's nostalgia, I like to think it's the fact people are discovering and going, holy cow, is this ever fun? When you think of pinball and the history of play and the history of toys and games, This shouldn't be surprising that it has stood the test of time. No, and I think when you look at the larger history of play, right, and one of the things that we are able to do here, and you see this when you come, is that you can put pinball within the context of board games, of earlier coin-op games, of video games, right? all of these things, right? So that we understand and try to interpret this much longer history to show, you know, I think you're right in some ways that there was a kind of decline. I like to look at it where it evolved. The arcade evolved. You know, the early 20th century, you had penny arcades, they changed, right? When pinball was introduced, that changed the arcade, that changed coin op as a space for many, many years. Video games changed, redemption, right? So the arcade, it's definitely had its peaks and valleys in terms of how many of them. But part of, I think, the history we want to get at too, is that the arcade endures in a variety of forms. And certainly I, as a pinball player, as in part a celebrant of pinball, am delighted that so many people are making pinball machines, that people are making homebrew pinball machines. My sweet spot right there. Yeah, I mean, so to me, yes, it's not a surprise that this is a form with all of its depth of play from its artwork to, you know, to its interactivity with the different features. It's incredible. But at the same time, it's also not surprising that it's stood the test of time. You talked about how we've evolved, really, and the arcades have evolved. I think part of those quote-unquote dark times in the late 90s and stuff was sadly we lost some pinball companies that were making these games. Maybe they went to slot machines or whatever they went to or just went by the wayside. But now here we are in 2024 coming up to 2025 and we look at the number of companies that are successful in making pinball machines. And the homebrew people and the leagues and the players and the IFPA and just the tournaments you find everywhere, the interest might never be higher. Like people talk about the golden days of the Bally Williams days, certainly the sweet spot, because that's when I was young and that's when I got into it. But I think we're in the sweet spot right now. I think we're only getting better and growing. Yeah, I I think so, too. You know, I'm so excited to see for me. It's like I live in the past so much because I'm, you know, right. So, you know, I'm excited to be able to bring collections like Steve's into the museum where we can preserve it and we can help tell the story. but also allow people years from now to use these as resources to write about, to tell these stories. But at the same time, I can't lie, I love seeing pinball thriving. And just like so many of your listeners, I remember walking into arcades. I remember playing pinball on locations in pizza places and convenience stores. So that clearly is like for so many people, it's a formative experience. and I don't know that without those experiences that I would be thinking about it and sort of studying it and collecting in quite the same way that I do today at The Strong. So as I'm certainly much older than probably many people listening to this podcast, the point is I remember seeing a pinball for the first time. I remember it was a Black Knight machine and I was just, what is this? Did that just talk to me? And what's this magnet and this and that and fell in love and wow, this is great. I remember those days. I still get excited 40 plus years later. You here at The Strong get to see people of all ages. And I'm imagining you're seeing a lot of young people as I do at pinball shows, see a pinball machine for the first time. And if they can see above the glass or maybe they're on a stool and they can plunge the ball, they're right into it. What do you see and what kind of excitement is it for you when you see young people first experience pinball? So it's incredibly gratifying to see young people introduced to pinball. And I think it's such an important point that you make because so much of what we see here at the museum is intergenerational play. Right. And because we are often introducing people to play things from the past, we very commonly see grandparents, parents and children and grandkids, you know, being introduced to something. And you hear things like, oh, they had toys when you were a kid, grandpa.