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Hosts analyze Rush reveal, theme integration quality, and market dynamics of licensed pinball machines.
Rush's LEs were sold out before the game was even officially announced
high confidence · Josh and Scott discussing pre-order activity; Scott confirms 'The LEs were pretty much gone before it was even announced.'
Theme integration matters more than theme alone; Rush benefits from Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson's direct involvement in game design decisions
high confidence · Josh explains: 'They said, we want to bring in Ed Robertson because he knows pinball' and discusses how early involvement shaped song selection and integration.
Led Zeppelin pinball suffered primarily from licensing constraints and cooperation issues, not design flaws
medium confidence · Scott: 'it sounds like with more of a licensing issue and more jumping through hoops than it was anything else'; Josh notes multiple estates and approval layers made development difficult.
Borg has been designing pinball machines for approximately 30 years, with roots dating to 1992
high confidence · Josh: 'Borg has in Pinball Database, he has credits back to 1992. So it's 30 years?' and 'Borg has basically been in pinball forever.'
Rush playfield layout shares more similarities to X-Men than to Iron Maiden, despite some fan comparisons
high confidence · Detailed technical breakdown: pop bumper placement, scoop location, upper flipper shot all map to X-Men; diverter mechanics differ from Iron Maiden.
Stern's theme and design decisions are informed by proprietary market analysis data, not community wishes
high confidence · Josh: 'And he said, they, they do market analysis. So they know these things.' referencing Josh Sharp's point about data-driven decision-making.
The primary demographic for licensed pinball machines like Rush is affluent, older players (typically 50+) with disposable income and children out of the house
high confidence · Scott: 'the people that own these or that are going for Rush, that are going for Led Zeppelin are usually seasoned professionals... later on in their lives.'
“They said, we want to bring in Ed Robertson because he knows pinball. And if you haven't checked it out yet, go on Stern Insider Connected and listen to the Ed Robertson interview.”
Josh Roop @ ~28:30 — Highlights how active band involvement elevated Rush's design quality through informed creative direction.
“Theme is very, very important. It's not the only thing. It's not the only thing. It's theme integration.”
Josh Roop @ ~26:00 — Core thesis revision: Josh backtracks on earlier 'secret sauce' claim, emphasizing integration depth over mere theming.
“These games are love letters to the things that they are building them for. And you, you either want that gushing with fan appreciation and little juicy nuggets here and there, instead of just artwork on a playfield.”
Josh Roop @ ~34:00 — Articulates design philosophy: thematic authenticity and emotional resonance trump mechanical cleverness alone.
“If you feel like you're fooling the customer into buying something that you either don't believe in or if you feel like you're spinning it and so they're getting a bad-ish deal, they can tell.”
Scott Larson (quoting Ford dealership GM) @ ~35:30 — Applies sales psychology to pinball: inauthentic design choices become perceptible to players; connects to broader craft philosophy.
“I'm not saying they're selling... I'm not saying I'm not defending their decision to make a Rush pinball machine... Stern is first and foremost a business.”
Josh Roop @ ~48:00 — Positions Stern's commercial pragmatism as distinct from fan preference; validates market-first approach despite personal taste disagreements.
“Don't judge it fully until you put your name on the high score.”
Scott Larson (attributing to Jeff Rivera) @ ~40:30 — Caution against snap judgments from streams; advocates for in-depth personal play testing before forming opinions.
“It didn't feel good like when you when you looked at it it looks like someone who knows very little about pinball put it together... It's missing that heart.”
announcement: Stern Pinball officially announced Rush machine with teaser Friday and full reveal Tuesday; limited edition run sold out before public announcement
high · Josh: 'it was announced last friday it was teaser trailer time... tuesday was the actual reveal of the game'; Scott: 'The LEs were pretty much gone before it was even announced.'
product_launch: Rush pre-orders and production runs selling through extremely rapidly; already tracking 3-4 production runs ahead; Scott obtained LE unit through distributor after initially settling for Premium
high · 'this thing has come out and people are very pleased... it's pretty much sold out their first couple runs. And we're looking three, four runs down the road already on Rush.'
collector_signal: Rush LE units became scarce even before official announcement; secondary market markups mentioned; interested collectors advised to contact distributors for future availability
high · Scott's experience finding LE through Zach Manny after initial resignation to Premium; Josh's guidance: 'If you want it for a reasonable price, contact your distributor'
design_philosophy: Hosts argue successful licensed machines require active theme owner/band involvement and designer who understands pinball; Rush benefited from Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson directing game design alongside Ed Robertson
high · Josh: 'They said, we want to bring in Ed Robertson because he knows pinball... they checked off where in Led Zeppelin's case you have people that passed away you have estates... it makes it a lot more rough'
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Deadpool's Black Widow/Katana ramp shot was redesigned successfully after failing on the original Avengers machine
high confidence · Josh: 'The Black Widow shot was terrible it was hard and it was not fun... now it's come to one it's that shot now is very fun on Deadpool.'
Josh Roop (regarding Queen, not Rush) @ ~27:00 — Demonstrates the contrast between authentic fan-involved design (Rush) and apparent lack thereof (Queen).
“You may love a K-pop... But if they put out a K-pop, they've probably done the market analysis to realize they're not going to sell the same amount that they will by making a Led Zeppelin, by making a Rush.”
Josh Roop @ ~47:30 — Illustrates how licensing strategy follows demographic targeting rather than niche fan enthusiasm.
sentiment_shift: Josh expresses surprise at positive reception for Rush given winter release timing and initial concerns about dad rock demographic appeal; social media negativity does not match strong sales
high · 'I've been so on the fence of how this was going to be received... I didn't know how this would go... it seems like this thing has come out and people are very pleased'
product_strategy: Stern's licensed machine strategy targets affluent older demographics (typically 50+, empty nesters) with data-driven market analysis; licensing deals for classic rock bands reflect commercial viability calculations not community preferences
high · Josh: 'Stern is first and foremost a business... they've done the study and they know that they're going to sell... the people that own these... are usually seasoned professionals... later on in their lives'
design_innovation: Deadpool Black Widow/Katana ramp shot was successfully redesigned after failing on original Avengers machine; demonstrates designer learning and iteration across products
high · Josh: 'The Black Widow shot was terrible it was hard and it was not fun... now it's come to one it's that shot now is very fun on Deadpool because it's like it's nerve-wracking because it's like oh but it it feels so satisfying'
gameplay_signal: Rush playfield layout compared to X-Men and Iron Maiden; some elements similar (pop bumper placement, ramp elevation) but overall more aligned with X-Men; layout described as smooth and well-executed in promotional streams
high · Technical breakdown: 'pop bumpers are in the same spot the scoop is in a similar spot you have a shot up the middle... upper flipper shot'; stream observation: 'it looked so smooth didn't it yes it looked a butter smooth'
industry_signal: Borg has 30+ years of pinball design credits dating to 1992; established as elder statesman of Stern's design roster alongside Keith Elwin (fewer machines but legendary status)
high · Josh: 'Borg has in Pinball Database, he has credits back to 1992. So it's 30 years?... he's one of the elder statesman now of Stern... Keith Elwin [has] four games'
content_signal: Loser Kid Pinball Podcast dedicated Episode 76 to Rush analysis; hosts recorded bonus episode following Triple Drain recording; demonstrates sustained media coverage of major machine releases
high · Episode structure: bonus episode focusing on Rush reveal analysis following Triple Drain collaboration; hosts Timmy, Ray Day, Jack from Triple Drain streamed Rush reveal
community_signal: Disconnect between social media negativity (Facebook/Pinside complaints about 'another dad rock band' theme) and strong commercial performance; hosts note squeaky wheel effect on forums does not reflect actual market demand
high · 'there's a lot of chatter on facebook there's a lot of chatter on Pinside people the The squeaky wheel seems to always direct the course... but it seems like this thing has come out and people are very pleased... this game's pretty much sold out'
licensing_signal: Rush benefited from active Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson participation in development; contrast with Led Zeppelin which faced multiple estate approvals and creative restrictions; band involvement enables faster approvals and better creative direction
high · Josh: 'Led Zeppelin... you have people that passed away you have estates you have four five six hoops to jump through... with Rush you had Geddy Lee you had Alex Lifeson on board... not hard for them to say do this do that'