You signed your real name? Of course I did. If you believe in something, you sign your name to it. Alright, I'm gonna tell you right now. I ain't crazy. This is the ground you'll die on. Are you sure? Oh my god, are you serious? Son, people can see you. I don't tell you what to do with your money. Don't fucking tell me what to do with mine, okay? I'm not as dumb as you think I am. I will defend myself. He means it, sweetheart. Well, that's because you're an idiot. I will fight and win because I am the most intelligent. You sure about that? You sure about that? I got something I want to say. Well, you motherfuckers think you know who Teddy Powers is. Well, I'm here today to tell you all you don't know shit. Oh, I give up. You're going to get yourself killed, and this time I won't be able to save you. I make you laugh. I'm a clown. I amuse you. I'm here to fucking amuse you. Come on, don't bullshit me. Go ahead and go, but I'm not going to stop yelling, because then that'll mean I lost the fight. So, please leave a T under the mat. I love y'all very much. Peace out. Serenity now! Serenity now! What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Okay, a simple wrong would have done just fine, but this makes no sense. Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Wedgehead Pinball Podcast. My name is Alan, host of the Wedgehead Pinball Podcast, and one-half owner of the Portland Pinball Bar Wedgehead, for which the podcast is named. We're doing another episode we call Die on this Hill. It's a series of episodes we do where we invite a guest on to passionately defend a quote-unquote bad game, a game that is poorly rated by the general public, let's say, and we want to hear why they love it and hear the other side of it. Alex, my co-host, how are you doing? I'm doing good. Today we're joined again by our friend Ashley over on the East Coast. She's an amazing Pinball Restoration artist. If you haven't listened to our other episode with her, go do that now and go follow her on Instagram. But Ashley, we're not here to talk about Pinball Restoration today. We're here to talk about a bad game. What game is that? That is Lethal Weapon 3. Lethal Weapon 3. The game's so nice, they made it thrice. It's like if you took Lethal Weapon 1 and 2 and combined them. Get it, get it, get it, get it, get it. Yeah, they were like, we're skipping one and two. It doesn't matter. We're going straight to three. Three as Joe Pesci. I love it. As Leo gets. Oh, yeah. What Leo wants, Leo gets. Get it? There we go. All right. So Lethal Weapon 3, it's a pinball machine manufactured by Data East, released in June of 1992. It was a smash hit sales-wise. It sold 10,350 units, which makes it the second best-selling game that Data East ever made. In fact, it was only bested by the next game that they made, Star Wars. Fun fact, which was John Borg's first game as a designer. He's still working at Stern now. Or Stern used to be Data East. Lethal Weapon 3 was only outsold by 50 units by Star Wars. Wow. So. They did that on a spite, I feel like. Yeah, they probably, yeah. They're like, we paid for the Star Wars license. We're making 50 more of these. Yeah. It must be better. It has to be. It was designed by the team of Ed Sabula and Joe Kamenkow with software credited to Christina D'Onofrio. I was interested to see her name as I didn't immediately recognize it. And I tried to find some old emails and send them to her because I want to see if I can't get her onto the show for an interview. I think it'd be interesting to hear from her being a female programmer. She worked on a couple games in the 80s for Williams. It's kind of notable to see any women working in pinball back in that era. I mean, it still is, frankly. I was just like, whoa, a new name. This is cool. Yeah. And then she worked on some pretty cool Data East games, including this one. The art was done by Markus Rothkranz, who did almost every Data East art package from this era. For good and for bad, these are very divisive art packages. Some people think they're really bad. Ashley is a skilled artist, so I'm interested to hear what she has to say about it. But this was the absolute peak of the early 90s pinball renaissance. Bally released the best-selling game of all time, The Addams Family, just three months before this game came out. So pinball is red hot in 1992. We want to hear from you, Ashley. What makes this game so good? Why is it as good as The Addams Family? I think it's better than Addams Family. I love this take. I mean, look, everybody wants an Addams Family. I get people all the time who wants it you know captain fantastic adam's family twilight zone like all the things that are easily recognizable but honestly i think lethal weapon 3 is a machine everybody loves to hate and unfortunately i think that data east just because of how they are they tend to kind of want to break down and go back to nature and just kind of mechanically there are some issues over time that make the game terrible a terrible experience to play but when you find a very nice one or a somewhat decent one or a playable one it can be an awesome experience and honestly it's like one of my favorite games i love this i love the take you know what you know like adam's family was cute this game perfected it like this was like the real reason why pinball got so hot in 1992 this is the best selling pinball year of all time i haven't played a lethal weapon through i've played it a handful of times but not as much as i as i should have what do you kind of do in the game shame what's your shame alex you're gonna love it i've never seen any of the lethal weapon movies you've seen lethal weapon five though five and six yeah okay sunny yeah it's always sunny in philadelphia and their their uh sequel movies um but yeah so ashley what do you kind of like do in this game what's like the like how do you play it generally is are there modes i don't that's maybe a dumb question i don't know if there's modes or not you know one of the great things about this machine is like it has great flip ability you can walk up to it not know what you're doing and it's just fun to play i agree with that there's a ton of different video modes and we're going to have to like shoot the suspect or uh fight rigs you know pop stuff you know shoot the suspect yeah and you're like constantly like grabbing the gun to fire and like all the call outs are amazing and the animations are so silly that you could just totally not have any idea what's going on and it's just so much fun to play it's a very non-serious pinball i mean that was yep that was very much my impression of it i just played one recently and it's the first time i had played one in years and it's just like you start collecting things for the multi balls and i think it's like lethal weapon and then lethal weapon two and then lethal weapon three right and it's just like i wouldn't know i'm like this is awesome immediately i'm like i love this i love that it's just listing the titles of the movies in sequential order like i'm like yeah couldn't ask for better that was kind of my experience with it i'm like this is fun there's fun call outs and stuff the shots are very cool data east games have so much metal in them like so many ball trails and stuff and it's just it makes them fun to shoot this game's loaded honestly in in the last episode uh we talked about or i specifically talked about my love of old got lead machines but i i do have to say and it makes me a little ashamed but boy i have a soft spot for data east sometimes they're so trashy and i love them i'm like obsessed with like certain i think data east made some of the best titles and the absolute worst titles of all time yeah i agree they did make some garbage and they made some bangers for sure yeah i think this don't we all yeah exactly don't we all they're they're just like us they're just like us kind of is like the working man's pinball i don't know like looking back at it it's like you root like it's all retrospective right like they've been out of business well they turn it to stern but if they kind of want to like root for them and it's it's also insane because i think they kind of proved more than like at the time bally williams kind of had a lot of the design talent locked down but data yeast had joe cam and cow who secured monstrous licenses like our jokes about this being lethal weapon three aside lethal weapon was a monster movie franchise i mean oh yeah when this came out it was massive yeah the fact that joe could get those licenses and they could turn them into like fun cheesy games that kids loved playing it it was a good it's just a good company i like it and their flippers feel really good when they're rebuilt they're super strong i mean they're like stern flippers i mean it's it really hasn't changed like i said we've talked about this on the show before it's like they do get hollowed out and kind of spongy feeling when they're not rebuilt but when you rebuild them they are nice and strong and like playing a modern stern is i want to ask you about the art before we get into the bad reviews ashley because you're an artist and we rarely have like artist on the show so i want to ask you because there's people that are going to bring up how bad they think the art is on this game do you want to say anything about it or about the work of marcus rothkrans in general since you love data east games honestly i love it i think i love the the sketchy kind of data east line work it always has great color and it is a style choice and it's unique but it's like it's very different from what anyone else was doing and it definitely has like a different look to it and i hear people say all the time that they hate it but i love it and lethal weapon is i think it so silly too because there so many you know pinball designed by men for men and it always like a sexy woman on the back glass and lethal weapon it like instead of that it just mel gibson and danny face yeah and blonde joe pesci yeah blonde joe pesci yeah it's just cool shit it's just cool shit the data east art to me is it's like it looks like all of the trans lights could be a movie poster from that era like if you told me this was straight lifted from a lethal weapon poster i'd be like yeah that makes sense it looks like that they look very of the time i think it's weird where it's like i do think that they look better the further we get away from them because these were from the early 90s like now in 2024 because it looks it's endearing It looks retro. Like, it looks like, you're like, this looks old school. No company does artwork like this anymore. So to me, I'm like, this is just kind of cool. Like, because it feels like a game from the 90s. And Data East, the art packages look so much different than the Bally Williams games from that era. Lethal Weapon is like the perfect theme to encapsulate that 90s movie, like action movie vibe, I guess. It works well. Because like Jurassic Park, like it has that same kind of art style. I'm sure it was the same dude that did the art package, right? but for me that one just looks poorly dated whereas lethal weapon i'm like hell yeah this is cool 90s it's like last last action hero i feel the same way about when you see one you're like oh yeah that's a 90s game oh and shit up i like it just like explosions on yeah you don't you just don't like dinosaurs man that's why i like no fear the guy's head is exploding on the back glass is perfect don't you say anything bad about my no fear i it's not the head explosion that bothers me is just I don't like No Fear. That's okay. We'll allow it. You got to go listen to my episode defending it, though. Yeah, you should. Yeah. Because you would agree with all the bad reviews. Alex, pull up the bad reviews here. You got them on the right side. Oh, there they are. All right. So I think we'll alternate these and we'll get your reactions in between each one. Okay, Ashley? All right. So Pinball Craze says he lists the good first. Good. It's a good, fun game. I like the option of choosing the music and the selection offered. The ramp is well placed. multiball is a little easy. Like the theme and the execution. Artwork is good. Video modes are fun. Very hands-on. Topper is clever. The bad. Center drop targets can shoot the ball into the air. Too much gun reliance during actual play. It's very annoying having to grab the gun while your ball is still in play. No ball save. Don't know what Data East were thinking when they let this and Star Wars leave the factory with poorly programmed ball saves. Leo gets with the okay, okay. Gets annoying. Shoot ball in, hit targets, then drain straight down the middle. No ball back. Anything you need, Leo gets. You get it? What do you think of that review? I think that anyone who is writing a review of playing a pinball machine and says on the pros, quote, very hands-on, I am going to disregard everything else that they have to say. and if you don't like what leo wants leo gets then like just get get the hell out like i'm sorry but data east stereo sound best call outs ever let's live to regret this huh best call outs ever i love this best call outs ever this game every time i'm working on a machine and i see a red wire i go red wire multiple call outs have just integrated into my daily life every every day that's a good sign of a pinball of a good pinball machine i feel like yeah i agree that's like when we did bad cats on the show right i guess the call outs on bad cats are like insidious man oh man yeah yeah okay next review uh solid state pinball says this is an example of a pin that is fun to play but ugly af to look at get yours cheap and retheme it honey open your eyes open your eyes retheme it dude i would retheme it as a lethal weapon six that'd be so much yeah i guess you could do that if it was still lethal weapon the translate yeah it'd be so hard to retheme a game like this like like truly do it no one's rethemed a data yeast like dmd game literally ever because it would be like a monstrous undertaking but solid state he did say it's fun to play so that's kind of a complimentary there we go yeah i guess that's true he that's kind of a good he just says it's ugly would you rather have an ugly machine that is fun to play or a fun playing machine that did i just confuse myself yep yep you said it backwards a little bit between the two well also i don't think it's ugly i don't think it's ugly beauty's in the eye of the beholder here three of us are like i think it looks cool i think it looks cool it's got explosions and manly men yeah it's sick i think there's lots of really good looking games that i don't think are fun to play absolutely and it's cool because you're like oh yeah the art's really beautiful i don't want to play that game there's also plenty of games i like a lot of the stern games from the from the dark ages like listeners now don't realize that like stern in the 2000s made a lot of really ugly games oh the ugliest but i think they're fun to play and so i play them yeah i don't know lethal weapon it's the whole package because like on the other hand you have something like maverick also beautiful also mel gibson but it's garbage you know not lethal weapons the better mel gibson pin we're saying that many how many pins is he bennett No Mad Maxes, which is insane. I know. That is insane that there's no Mad Max. That is insane. With all the new movies coming out and everything and being big hits, it would be sick. Maybe Stern will do one. Even if it was just like a universe of Mad Max. Yeah, totally. I'd rather have Mel Gibson on it. Obviously, I want Road Warrior, but I'll take any Mel I could get. Yeah, I want Thunderdome edition. Thunderdome? Yeah, with Tina Turner on the back glass. It'd be sick. But yeah, I think as far as Mel Gibson goes, I think Maverick in this might be his only two. I think you're right. That would be an Alan question. I think you're right. It's a question I never thought. You don't think about these? You don't sit at home and go, man, I love this Mel Gibson pinball machine. I wonder if there's any more. I've always wanted a Passion of the Christ pinball. Oh, yeah. You've got the Pawneus Pilot Marble. Oh, God. stabbing them it's not a multiball it's a tri-ball yeah it is tri-ball they couldn't use multiball in this era which honestly honestly i love tri-ball over multiball i just think that's the silliest thing ever everything just is like 90s cheese to the max i feel like yes you're like it's tri-ball like you can't call it the multiball absolutely cnc music factory like you have to absolutely have to choose that as your starting song there's no answer data east like to do this they would license a couple songs and then they would give you a choice on what music you listen to as you played the game checkpoint has that too where you get a like you turn the key or whatever to start the game yeah and then it's like you have to choose your radio station mary shelley's frankenstein you can listen to the edgar winter group frankenstein Or you can listen to the movie score. Movie score sucks. For the people, Data Ease was doing it. Yeah, I agree. All right. Sergeant Max says, could have been better. Great video modes. I'm not your enemy, Captain. I'm just trying to do my job. So he loves video modes. Yeah, it could have been better. And it has amazing video modes. I remember the last year I went to Pinberg. I, Lethal Weapon 3 came up in the Bank of Machines I had to play, and I was like, hell yeah, let's go. I'm so excited to play it. The group of people I was in, the other three people I could tell, they had no idea how to play this game. And I'm just, like, freaking flying through this thing. And I think I scared them when I went to go fight Riggs, because I just, like, I take a stance, and I just, like, like bang on the flipper so fast and loud and um i just i they stopped talking and you scared them i yeah i and uh it was i was also like playing very well on that machine and it was just i'll just never forget that moment they're probably a nerd because you just kept saying what ashley wants ashley gets ashley wants ashley gets over and over again it's very unnerving to people when you're talking about yourself in the third person yeah i'm grabbing the gun with like my left hand and like you know it's just i'm all over the place next review is from uh letter k he says it's like a movie game from the nes era anyone that knows knows what i mean i'm too old for this shit it's a big allegation those nes movie games aren't very good explain that alex well typically movie tie-ins aren't good with old video games right but this guy clearly doesn't well fuck nes era i'm trying to think i'm like ducktales was really good but that's super indented though you might have a point with the nes era but i don't think that's true with lethal weapon at all this wasn't phoned in it's got lethal weapon one two and three call outs in it Right. I mean, the third, which always kind of confused me why they would just go with three and not one and two. It's funny. I was just playing pinball this weekend and I love direct sequels on games like Firepower 1, Firepower 2 or like Fireball, Fireball 2. But I do think it's way funnier when they just jump into a random one and you're like, wait, what? Like, how did we get here? Like from the pinball perspective, it doesn't make any sense. You're like from the movie, it makes sense, I guess, when movies when games are coming out at the same time as movies. but now in retrospect you're like well that was an odd choice well it's like uh like toy story 4 right when jersey jack makes toy story 4 and everyone's like what the hell like people don't want toy story 4 that not been the stop that not hitting the same come on all right so we have i played one quite a while ago and only remember being very disappointed by this one My only impression was how dull it turned out to be to play Son of a bitch. Wow, that's disappointing. I mean, look at it. Look at it. I wouldn't say explosions aren't dull. So like this guy, I don't think he, I don't know, Imagineery is his name. I think he needs a little more imagination. So think, Keith Elwin took his wire form from Jurassic Park from this game. Yeah. And one thing I always remember about playing this game is just the sound of metal to metal, that ball hitting that left ramp and just swing, swing. swing the sound of it is like so satisfying the metal metal contact on there and the track it goes and how it kind of the path of that ball is like it's very satisfying 100 that's what i'm like the data use games are just fun to shoot i feel like even if you have no idea what's going on not all of them this one is definitely fun to shoot this one's very fun to shoot i think it's probably maybe their best shooting game i would think i'm trying to think of one where i think it shoots better than this but yeah this is a great game okay next review this is this is an actual like long review once from uh rub a dub dub he says the layout of the game is pretty good what holds it back is the simplicity of the rule set and the sound design there is little variation in the music some of the call outs are very repetitive and without ever watching the movie i get the impression leo always gets what leo wants also some of the mini games don't make much sense in whether you win them or not you basically collect the three lethal weapon shots over and over until you complete the game feels tedious i've played through the game enough now that even when i have the opportunity to play it i will choose something else given the chance yeah i ran into some of those shadow company pussies in saigon in about 69 damn yeah i don't a little variation the music you get to pick your own you get to pick your own that's more variation than usual right right if you don't like cnc go with the cz top We're just like a regular ass lethal weapon, whatever. Like, what else do you want? Well, he's saying, you know, without ever watching the movie, I get the impression Leo always gets what Leo wants. Well, yeah, that's just good storytelling. That's just being true to the source material. That's the whole, his whole character. He always gets what he wants. Theme integration. They're going to, they're just going to beat it to death. Leo gets, Leo gets it. Okay. We're just going to keep doing this call out. What he wants, he gets. Dr. SFMD says, not horrible gameplay, in parentheses, though not good gameplay either. This one started out as a bad theme and it ended up as a bad theme with no longevity. Hey man, what the fuck is wrong with you guys? I think that's what's interesting about a lot of these reviews is man and even just like modern pinball in general there's a big move there's like a sea change of public opinion that's like a game is it deep enough is it deep enough is it deep enough is it deep enough and I'll and my whole thing is like some of my favorite games of all time are not deep at all like I mean ems are not oh yeah they don't have modes there's not I don't think a game needs to be deep to be fun there's some alchemy of like some games you do get bored by because you play them. There are other games that are very simple, but I just want to play them over and over again. I don't necessarily think that, you know, the game being not deep means it won't have any longevity. I would agree with that. And honestly, my day-to-day tasks are using so much of my brain that I don't, I'm trying to go totally smooth brain. I don't want a deep room. I just want to at the end of the day I don't want to think about playing a game I just want to freaking flip it like I'm trying to just be entertained yes and I don't want to think too hard about it and I love a game that is you know I'm an EM player but I love a game that has pretty simple easy to read rules things are kind of straightforward I'm not a professional player I'm a pretty good player, but I'm not, you know, I'm not super high tier. So take it with a grain of salt. But I'm like the majority of people out there. I just kind of want to flip a game that's fun to flip. Yeah. I don't think we're not going to argue on that one because Alan and I are both the same way where it's like we like straightforward rules. We like games where you can kind of figure out what you're doing just as you play them and you don't need to study beforehand. Yeah. But I do think that is just like not the mindset of a lot of modern buyers. Well, there's a lot of new people, too, that get into the hobby and the only games that they have around them or if, you know, that they get to go play are probably a new Stern with a really deep rule set. Or maybe the first game that they got into was Godzilla that has a deep rule set. And they think, oh, well, it has to be this. I can't go backwards in time because pinball won't be fun. It wasn't fun before. Now it's fun. And that's obviously that's not like when you say it like that. It sounds crazy. Right. because it's obviously not true but that's kind of a prevailing thought amongst a lot of people they're like oh i don't want to play one of those because it's not fun it's not deep therefore it's not fun yep i'm gonna skip ahead here one ellen go with the captain says a truly bad pin but the worst i have played probably he's a comedian in his spare time i'm like this guy's not played enough pinball machines yeah right i will say that like one of my friends picked up a lethal weapon three and it is just garbage like it it plays like shit yeah it makes it's like hard for me to play and it's just it's totally gone back to nature and everything has just fallen apart on it and it really just like i think it's haunted too because it's just like it's been kind of it's been like Well, it's one of those problem children that you can shop and you go through and you fix things, maybe rebuild the flippers, but it just everything on it is just garbage still, you know? Unfortunately, in this day and age, especially with the older machines, like get those bad eggs and they kind of ruin a title for you. That's definitely true. I think that's a lot of people have that experience with EMs, where if you play a really tired, poorly set up EM, you don't see EMs on location much in general. That can sour you on an entire, like, 40 years of games, which is, again, insane. But it's like you play one and you're like, oh, this thing's slow and floaty. It sucks. I don't like these games. It is a shame when you get into the older stuff. And I think that's part of why a lot of modern players just like the Sterns. It's because every Stern you're seeing is less than 10 years old, right? So they all play good if they're new, then sterns hold up very well in location. And so it's like that biases people towards them so much. Whereas if you played one lethal weapon three and it's completely roached, you're not going to have a good time. Yeah. And obviously an operator isn't going to put an older machine on location that is going to be a big earner. If it was me, I'm going to, you know, pay 6,500 and put a new stern on location and know it's just going to work every time yeah it's it you're taking a big risk as an operator putting an older machine on location especially if it's not your location yeah if you're not there every day yeah if it's on route yeah it's a big risk it's probably worth it because the you know the kids are just slamming quarters and they see they see mel on the trip mom i want to play the mel gibson game mom come on i need a corner i need a quarter what leo wants leo gets give me give me give me all right let's get through some more of these reviews five balls five cents says may the score speak for itself and then he rates it as art one out of ten audio three out of ten gameplay 3 out of 10 playfield 3 out of 10 overall 2.6 out of 10 oh well yeah you got some taste you got some good taste when i was 12 this man's got no taste it's offensive it is offensively low like he goes out of his way to be like let the score speak for themselves i'm not even going to explain it it hurts especially what does that mean like it's a low scoring machine no his review has made the score speak for itself and then he's he goes out of his way to rank them out of 10 like none of these other reviews do that so he he's like instead of describing how i feel about this game i'm just gonna like give them number ratings and then go let it speak for itself sounds like a trick i agree gameplay three out of ten that's whack yeah no i'm not buying it zadose says this game is bad unsatisfactory designed for my taste and is devoid of emotion along comes the insurance company and fuck you some more i don't know devoid of emotion is such a good line about a pinball machine yeah as an artist ashley would you say it's devoid of emotion this machine is very emotional um i mean you look at it and it's just like explosions and like guns and there is so much emotion on this machine also what what is this guy talking about you want to feel emotional when you look at a machine that's how i feel number one what sort of emotions do you want to feel to i walk up to a ball deluxe i fall to my knees from the beauty it's like seeing it's like seeing michelangelo's work in person for the first time it's like looking at the face of god yeah you're like oh my god i've never seen a more beautiful pinball machine All right. Tilt says, I gave Lethal Weapon 3 every chance to impress me, and it failed miserably. Such a drain monster. Typical sequence here. Launch the ball hit the target drain down the right out lane Even when I had a decent ball and activated the multiball it was over quickly it too bad because the play field looks okay but the art so bad it comical how you doing son your mother know you're here okay i think he's telling on himself for being a terrible fucking player like i mean imagine writing this review and be like i'm just really bad at pinball and it's this game's fault yeah i mean to a t that's exactly yeah we've now had a couple guys complaining like there's no ball save you get the ball you hit this dangerous target and you drain and there's no ball save yeah you want to touch on that ashley because i looked into this it's been a little while since i played one but i guess what it is is like the ball save was set to switch hits and rather than typical like kind of timer ball saves were still pretty new in this era this is like right when they're coming into play so also people need to be aware of that like before this there wasn't ball save so like this is still new and then this also has like the kickback on the left out lane which is a great feature and then it's lit by the target on the left there which is like kind of a difficult shot but it's nice that you can work towards relighting it because that kickback is a great feature but yeah no i mean play better like you can't blame a machine for that i know that's such loser stuff i hate when people write reviews like games work wait wait grow up like god it's just telling on yourself on the internet in perpetuity is crazy to me you're just like i'm just so bad at pinball it's definitely the game not me though okay rocky mountain pinball king says this game is disappointing for starters it feels cheap it just really does not feel like an arcade quality game the pigtail ramp is fun at least a couple of games i i don't know remains i mean there's one ramp right but i don't know why it's called the pigtail i like this because it's curly yeah it's curly okay but he says other than that other than the pigtail ramp this game is disappointing there is not very much that is fun to shoot at on the table the game gets repetitive and boring very quickly i'm only smoking to pick my mind off my dog please get problem i don't know what this guy wants man you give him a pigtail ramp i love the name pigtail riff it's good yeah i'm like that's sick i've never i've never heard that i'm wondering where this guy is from and like where he's pulling this term from and he's like a pigtail ramp everybody knows it you know what i know it's the pigtail ramp it's yeah right he says it feels cheap i'm sorry this is like quintessential 90s action film it's it has to feel cheap like yeah yeah cheap and cheap and cheesy you know are a little bit different but i'm sure i don't know the background fully of movies but i'm sure that they spent a shitload of money with all the explosions and the theatrics and stuff like that so you don't get mel gibson back for four movies if you know if you're cheap nah all right so we have the next one this is a good username max badass max badass says not much fun annoying sound clips bad video mode not a good pin for such an enjoyable movie artwork is great though and the music is good oh it's an ax some guy mistook my head for a log this has the best video modes of any game video modes are pretty cool i hadn't really played them before we did our video mode episode can you describe them to the listener ashley well my favorite is the fight rigs like i said before where you're going to want to take a hard wide stance and aggressively with both hands so everyone can hear you slamming both flippers at the same time and the trick is to do them at the same time it's you know it you get more value faster but also it just asserts your dominance from we've heard it scares all the other competitors yes yes i scared an entire bank of players at pinbird when i was slamming fuck out of this machine for every you could hear it from i'm sure you could hear it from banks away but all i could hear is what leo wants leo gats over and over in my head and aloud yeah that's my favorite one banging the flippers you're fighting them um there's the one where you have to grab the gun and fire and he's like sliding on a motorcycle i think under like a sepia or something it's very sick his eyes flash and right as he goes like slide under you gotta grab the gun fire and then he's like oh Oh, shit. I think he likes the motorcycle, like, bursts into flames and, like, slides off a mountain or something. I'm not really sure. It's very cool. Just cool stuff. It's cool. There's another one where you have to, like, shoot the suspects and not, like, the woman holding a flower. Or that stuff. That's like they probably still use that to train cops now. Shot! It's the cops! They're burning everything! probably all right you got the next one alex oh yeah uh big eddie says this is one of the worst games i've ever played data east are renowned for making crap pinball machines this is no exception i will bet vital parts of my anatomy to the fact now look they did make crap pinball machines they need some bad they made some bad ones this is they also made robocop yeah robocop is sick RoboCop is amazing. Yeah. I love RoboCop. We all love RoboCop. That's going to be on this show eventually. I think this whole episode has been, this is the exception. Okay. So I don't know what this guy's talking about. Yeah. This is the exception. Yeah. All right. So we got one more final review here. It's a little bit of a long one, but Glenn Peter says, let me see if I can extend myself and muster something positive to say about this. Played the least. Oops. I mean, data east. I guess he thought that was a good joke Yes, I think I have it Thank God there wasn't a lethal weapon And a lethal weapon too As much as I consider Valley Pinball Machines Lacking heart and soul They have no fear of being at the bottom of the food chain In this regard with this poor excuse's still existence The games from this company sure had a horrible feel to them That is hard to appreciate even for a pinball lover like myself Also, I'm amazed at the price these things are getting. So much so that I believe that the people who bought these machines should have been paid themselves for hauling them off and then hopefully heading for the nearest landfill of their choice. Tell me you lost it. Admit to it. Rude. Very rude. Very rude from Glenn. A couple really bad jokes. Really bad jokes that didn't land. and then he's basically like, I'm amazed at these prices. You should be getting paid to take them to the dump. What do you think about that, Ashley? Glenn Peters has a lot to say. Number one, his played the least, Dana East. Whatever jokes he was trying to land, just totally his sentence structure. I talk like absolute garbage because my brain is never quite matching what my mouth is trying to like put out but i'm his sentence structure those jokes were just totally over my head he's trying i mean obviously he's trying really hard right yeah trying very hard yeah and uh i mean if if he wants to take some pinballs to the dump call me up glenn give me a call yeah He can pay me to take any pinball machine he wants. I work on garbage every single day. Call me, Glenn. Yeah. Call me. You had to restore three Southparks at the same time. I would rather have the biggest shit ever. Like, please. I'd rather have one Lethal Weapon 3 than three Southparks. Oh, for sure. Well, actually, I just want to thank you for coming back on the show, bringing in Lethal Weapon 3, given it its time in the sun. I think it's a fun game. I think Alex does as well. I don't know what all these people are talking about on the internet. It's one of the best games Data East ever made. And yeah, we want to thank you once again for coming on the show, coming back and talking with us. For everyone out there listening, go out. Yeah, find a Lethal Weapon 3 that's playing nice. You know, go find one that actually restored for us form a good opinion if you if you don't like the game you're probably playing it wrong i will say if you can't hit the ramp then the game just needs to be rebuilt yeah like and don't rate it poorly but use the pinball map try to go find it if you don't like it then the problem is you exactly if not then i'll come up with like another excuse but it's fine that's how we end all the eye on this hill segments yeah uh go force yourself to like this game otherwise you're wrong otherwise you're totally wrong and you're stupid and you can come to rochester new york and get your butt kicked by ashley in person all right for everyone else listening thank you so much for listening to another episode of the wedgehead pinball podcast until next time good luck don't suck Thank you.