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Between Two Sterns with Glenn Waechter and Saw Homebrew!

Bash Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Aug 31, 2024
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TL;DR

Glenn Wechter discusses Saw homebrew game audio design and pinball community contributions.

Summary

Glenn Wechter joins Bash Pinball for an in-depth conversation about his extensive pinball community work, including music and audio design for the Saw homebrew pinball machine. The episode covers Glenn's creative process for Saw's soundtrack and sound design, his transition to professional audio equipment, and a tangential discussion of TGIF shows and personal superpowers.

Key Claims

  • Bash Pinball is ranked #1 in the 'chrome-plated ball bearings' podcast category on Apple Podcasts

    high confidence · Host explains their podcast category selection process; they chose 'chrome-plated ball bearings' subcategory under metalwork and machinery

  • Saw homebrew game featured at a horror convention in Charlotte, NC where actors Shawnee Smith and Costas Mandylor played and loved the game

    high confidence · Glenn states he received permission from the team to share this; actors were surprised the game existed and asked why it wasn't commercially available

  • Saw homebrew game had lines of people waiting throughout Texas Pinball Festival (TPF) and Southern Fried Gaming Atlanta

    high confidence · Glenn describes people waiting 10+ deep and not getting to play due to line length

  • Glenn sold his two pinball machines (Avengers Infinity Quest Pro and World Poker Tour) to fund Logic Pro, MacBook Pro, and audio interface equipment

    high confidence · Glenn explicitly states which machines he sold and confirms partial funds went to Florida Keys vacation

  • Saw game has 11-12 tracks with each mode approximately 1 minute long matching timer duration

    high confidence · Glenn describes music composition approach with individual songs per trap mode from the film

  • Saw homebrew team consists of four people: Austin Kerrigan (lead), Glenn Wechter (audio/music), Eric (playfield work), Rika (artwork), and Joe Barnsworth (mechanical engineer)

    high confidence · Glenn details team composition and each member's role in the project

  • Saw game uses a repurposed Whirlwind layout that was completely modernized with RGB lighting, LCD screen, and rebuilt spinning disc mechanics

    high confidence · Glenn explains the modernization process and Joe Barnsworth's mechanical redesign of the spinning discs

  • Glenn has composed theme songs for multiple pinball podcasts including Pinball Nerds, Poor Man's Pinball Show, Ray Ray Show, Tribe Multiball Show, Loser Kid, Collected Gamers, and Dude Where's My Coat

Notable Quotes

  • “We're number one in the world...in the chrome-plated ball bearings category of podcasts”

    Bash Pinball host @ ~0:08:00 — Humorous explanation of how Bash selected their Apple Podcasts category due to lack of pinball-specific option

  • “I sold both of my pinball machines...Avengers Infinity Quest Pro and a World Poker Tour...if I'm going to really go for working in the industry, this has got to come with some sacrifice”

    Glenn Wechter @ ~0:34:00 — Demonstrates Glenn's commitment to pursuing professional audio work in pinball industry

  • “They freaked out. They loved it. No way! They had no idea that somebody made this. They couldn't believe it. Why can't you buy this?”

    Glenn Wechter @ ~0:47:00 — Describes Shawnee Smith and Costas Mandylor's reaction to playing the Saw homebrew game at a horror convention

  • “We don't have the license from Lionsgate. We can't make more of them and sell them. What we have to do is this is our one-off.”

    Glenn Wechter @ ~0:52:00 — Clarifies legal limitations preventing Saw game from becoming a commercial product

  • “I've got synthesizers, I've got bass guitar, I've got guitars, acoustic guitar. How can I make this? And so I just kept exploring in GarageBand”

    Glenn Wechter @ ~0:28:00 — Describes Glenn's initial creative approach limited by equipment constraints before upgrading

  • “Each mode has its own song. You've got Spare Trap, you've got Flammable Jelly, you've got whatever trap that Jigsaw puts these unfortunate people in”

    Glenn Wechter @ ~0:24:00 — Explains music design philosophy mapping each film trap to unique audio composition

  • “I can associate the perfect font for that person...Adorn. It's this beautiful, curvy, long letter, swift, beautiful penmanship”

    Glenn Wechter @ ~1:09:00 — Glenn describes his claimed superpower of matching fonts to people's personalities

Entities

Glenn WechterpersonAustin KerriganpersonSawgameBash Pinball PodcastorganizationShawnee SmithpersonCostas MandylorpersonEricpersonRikaperson

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: Celebrity actor engagement with fan-made pinball game at horror convention; Shawnee Smith and Costas Mandylor played Saw game at Charlotte horror convention

    high · Glenn received permission to share story of actors playing game, being surprised it existed, and asking why it wasn't commercially available

  • ?

    community_signal: Extensive pinball podcast music work indicates strong ecosystem of smaller content creators supporting emerging podcasts through volunteer audio design

    high · Glenn composed theme songs for Pinball Nerds, Poor Man's Pinball Show, Ray Ray Show, Tribe Multiball Show, Loser Kid, Collected Gamers, and unreleased Dude Where's My Coat podcast

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Saw game incorporates extensive audio design including 11-12 original music tracks, hundreds of Jigsaw voice callouts with humor elements, and varied sound effects for individual playfield elements

    high · Glenn describes individual trap-based songs, multi-layer sound effects for pop bumpers (16 variations per), shotgun ramp sound design with delayed blast effect

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Lionsgate licensing restrictions prevent commercial production of Saw homebrew game; team can only maintain one operational machine as proof-of-concept

    high · Glenn explicitly states 'We don't have the license from Lionsgate. We can't make more of them and sell them. What we have to do is this is our one-off'

  • ?

    community_signal: Glenn's commitment to professional pinball audio work demonstrated through significant financial and personal sacrifice, including selling personal pinball machine collection

Transcript

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0:00
Hi folks, this is Diane. The boys wanted me to let you know that there will also be a video version of this episode on YouTube, although it might take another day or two. Apparently my job description now includes video editing. Hooray for me. Personally, I'm not sure why you'd want to see their low-res blurry zoom faces, but heaven forbid someone actually takes my advice for once. Oh, and a special thanks to Glenn Wechter, our illustrious guest. He could have been playing NFL Blitz on N64 instead of this nonsense. Anywhoozle, here's episode 21. It's our first semi, sort of, official interview-slash-hangout episode. It's a thing we're doing now. Not all the time, just, um, some of the time. Anyway, enjoy.
1:26
Spectre. Nailed it. Yeah, very special guests. Glenn, we're super grateful and thankful to have you on the show. I think you were our number one fan, I'm pretty sure. So I'm really excited to finally meet you and get to talk to you and stuff. When he was our only fan. Only fan. By default. Well, to be fair, I think it was four episodes in that I discovered you. So I blame the pinball community for not emailing first.
1:52
I'm just kind of like a chronic podcast listener with pinball. So as soon as I find a new show, I check it out and I listen and I try to support it the best I can. But I think you guys resonate a little bit more with me than a lot of shows because of your brand of stupidity. Like you guys really go deep. Yeah, that's a compliment. Thank you. Well, I mean, not everybody has Godzilla's phone number either. So true. Stuff like that. I've done little skits and had parody ideas since before COVID. Jeff Teolis asked me to do a song for the Reach Around Awards with Marty and Jeff, and I did a Led Zeppelin parody. Nice. Jeff wrote the lyrics for me. He just said, I just need this recorded, and so that was on their show. It was actually after Ed Robertson did his performance of his parody, so I like to think he opened up for me.

high confidence · Glenn lists his podcast music work in response to host question about his contributions

Joe Barnsworth
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Texas Pinball Festivalevent
Southern Fried Gamingevent
Pinball Nerds Podcastorganization
Albert Agarperson
Jeff Teolisperson
Whirlwindgame
Lionsgatecompany
Donperson
Black Rosegame
Avengers Infinity Quest Progame
World Poker Tourgame

high · Glenn sold Avengers Infinity Quest Pro and World Poker Tour to fund Logic Pro, MacBook Pro, and audio interface; explicitly states this sacrifice creates 'skin in the game'

  • ?

    announcement: Saw homebrew pinball game officially announced with specific display plans for upcoming Expo and detailed game specifications

    high · Glenn confirms Saw will be at Expo with headphones, mentions previous displays at TPF and Southern Fried Gaming, describes current game state as 'full product'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Saw homebrew represents modernization approach to classic machine design; complete replacement of original Whirlwind components including lighting, display, and control systems

    high · Glenn details replacement of alphanumeric display with LCD screen, conversion to RGB lighting, new controller boards and processor, mechanical redesign of spinning discs

    • 2:50
    But after that, my mind just kind of expanded, and I started making all these parody songs and doing skits and different voices. And I've been an audio engineer back in college, and I live here in Nashville. So I just thought it'd be kind of cool to start actually working on Umber stuff. And I've been contributing to a bunch of projects for the last two years now. Yeah, so I think I was familiar with some of your work before I met you. You've done the theme song for some other podcasts, right?
    3:19
    It's kind of embarrassing how many. because there's not a lot of fame and fortune involved with it. So Albert Agar has his Pinball Nerds podcast. I've done two separate ones for him because he's kind of had his old show and then his new branding.
    3:35
    Then I did the Poor Man's Pinball Show, and then I did the Ray Ray Show, the Tribe Multiball Show. I've got an outro on the Loser Kids. I did the Moon Corner Jingle on the Collected Gamers. I just did the Wormholes new like rock and classic rock part and just most recently I was asked to do one for Joe Cherovino's Dude Where's My Coat which is a podcast that hasn't come out yet where he's going to interview coders so a lot of different stuff and all of it is just for me to like flex my artistic muscles you know and force people to listen to my art because they wouldn't otherwise yeah I mean that's what we're all doing right how how much uh what's our budget for a for a theme song you guys don't need my help i considered asking you to send me your um your your theme song and i was gonna say i'm gonna do like a big i'm just big like a remix of it and i was gonna add one guitar chunk at the beginning every every eight and every eight measures just like and that was gonna be it but i'm lazy sometimes and i don't follow through that is yeah so other than other than doing that uh the soft pinball project i mean working on that and um saw yeah saw the the horror themed movies franchise so we're gonna get into that here in a second oh because i because i definitely want to learn more about that i want to i kind of want to get you know i want to know all about it man like i saw i didn't i didn't i didn't want to tell you about it now that was what we call a tease in the industry we want to keep them hanging on the editor seats yeah got it got it so i actually have some some news to share what kind of big big news i i found out that we're the number one podcast in the world right now wait what in in the world wait worldwide well yeah in our in our category worldwide yeah worldwide really our world our world yeah yeah it's our wait our world like Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it's, you know, when you set up the podcast, you have to, like, choose a category.
    5:43
    And so this is, like, on Apple, you know. Yeah. So you have to pick the category, and it's kind of like, well, there's no pinball category. So you just have to make, you know, you just have to figure out, like, what's the closest thing to pinball? So what is our category? There's a video game category, but it's not really a video game, right? So what do you do? So I started looking at, I tried to think of just, like, what's the, you know, what could it be? So I was thinking of like, you know, pinballs and there's like, so there's like this metalwork and machinery category. So I was looking in that category and then there's like this subcategory of ball bearings. I've seen it. And I was like, well, I'm on the right track. And so, you know, then they have like another subcategory of like ball bearings less than one inch in diameter. So I did that one. And then there's one more subcategory. Well, you got to pass up the greased up ball bearings. That was like you passed that one to get to the next one. I see where you're going. Yeah, yeah. And so then there's like a bunch more subcategories like metal oxide ball bearings, and there's like nickel-plated ball bearings, and then there's chrome-plated ball bearings. So, yeah, that's the one I chose is the chrome-plated ball bearings category of podcasts. And, dude, we're number one in the world. We're number one. Number one in the world. Dude, high five. Thanks.
    7:05
    Yeah, so, I mean, it's pretty big news. I just figured you guys would want to know about that. Yeah, it's news to me. I didn't know about that, actually. I literally did not know about that until right now. Yeah, I got off of the gold plating via Mercury podcasting because it just, you know, the Mad Hatter disease stuff, that's just not good for you.
    7:22
    Totally. You worked on the Saw Homebrew game, right? Yeah, yeah. We had a team of four of us, so Austin Kerrigan asked me if I would help out. with sound and i'm like do you need music too he goes i don't know i hadn't thought about that um you i thought maybe just do sound and call outs and i'm like well i'd like to do music and i'd like to help with everything else if you know i can't build it but i can help kind of conceptualize the gameplay and we and he's like all right well should we just open it up to anybody that wants to play like that would want to help i'm like well let's ask a few people uh specifically so he asked our buddy eric and eric was like yeah he's been working on machines by himself like taking him in refurbishing him taking him back to game galaxy so he was like he was down to strip the whole play field because it was a whirlwind we took a whirlwind eric eric took the whole thing apart austin was finding an artist so he got rika to do the art um and then she's somewhere down in florida i think so she's like a comic-con artist so she does like all sorts of like that's pretty cool really cool like comic art style stuff for for for hire um and then we got joe barnsworth involved and he's like our mechanical engineer so he made like the the three spinning discs spin separately and individually rather than on whirlwind they're all kind of connected with one gear system so he completely rebuilt that but we had to replace everything in whirlwind like just about everything so we got rid of all the lighting we made everything rgb lighting which meant new controller boards new processor new new everything we took out to the displays which i believe was alphanumeric and we replaced it with a an lcd screen and like we went we tried to modernize this game because we didn't know how to build a layout we thought we would take one that was already proven yeah yeah i think you guys did a great job because it didn't i didn't look at that play field and think oh this is a repurposed whirlwind i didn't either not at all actually yeah i didn't know that until right now actually that's cool yeah it fits in the re-themed category rather than custom homebrew which i guess they're both custom homebrews but it's kind of a different category when it comes to like when people talk about these things yeah so your involvement with the music can you walk us through that a little bit like how you approached it or is it inspired by the movie so I wanted to make music for it but I had forgotten how good the cinematic music was Like in the theater if you listen to the soundtrack to the first film you just like this is banging intense driven Yeah. A lot of orchestration and a lot of really good drum machine and loops. And like, it just really has a good, tense vibe to it. And I'm like, I can't not use this. It's too good. Yeah. So I started going through all the songs and I'm like, this is good. I can loop this here and here. So when you're in the bass mode of the game, you get the first song you hear is this really cool drum and bass. And it's kind of like from a quiet scene in the movie, but it's kind of got that, hey, there's something serious going on here. But I just loop it so I've got a good start and end point. It just loops indefinitely until you get into a mode in which you pick one of the traps from the film, and every trap is one of my songs. And so you pick one of the six modes. Each mode has its own song. You've got Spare Trap, you've got Flammable Jelly, you've got whatever trap that Jigsaw puts these fortunate people in.
    10:41
    And I tried to design the song around the feeling of what that might be. That's cool. And the first one I did ended up really hard to listen to because it was really creepy. And I faked my own death. I was acting and dragging my body through barbed wire. I had like sound design stuff like scratching and like blood dripping. And then like it slits my neck and at the end, it's like it's really hard to listen. We took that out of the game. Sounds like there may be some residual trauma from that situation. I thought I thought it'd be cool of each mode. Like you failed. You heard somebody die. Dude, I like it. I love it. And it just it was really hard to listen to going back at it. I'm like, yeah, this isn't right. And so I kind of refocused my energy on the next one, more of like a kind of a drum techno. And then I incorporated guitars as my like organic part of it because I don't have I don't have an orchestra and I'm not I'm not a composer in that way. So I'm like, OK, I've got synthesizers. I've got I've got bass guitar. I've got guitars, acoustic guitar. How can I make this? And so I just kept exploring in GarageBand drum loops and different drum settings within the GarageBand because I didn't have my computer at the time. And I was kind of finding out that I was getting limited as to the different textures and sounds I could make through that. And the synthesizer stuff wasn't very – there wasn't a lot of adjustability through the synthesizers in GarageBand. I'm reading online. Logic Pro has so much. Yeah, yeah. But my computer wasn't strong enough to handle it anyways because it was overloading. So then I sold both of my pinball machines, my only two pinball machines. And I bought this sweet MacBook Pro. And I bought Logic. And I bought this sweet interface that I can really, really record stuff cleaner through. And then the stuff started turning out a lot better. Hold on a second. You sold two pinball machines. Which two? We got to know which two games you sold to know if this was actually worth it. Stargate. Not yet.
    12:49
    I sold Avengers Infinity Quest Pro and a World Poker Tour. Okay. Wow. That's tough. It was tough. And I didn't use all the money on my gear because then we needed money for a vacation. Sure. So, yeah, we're going to the Florida Keys in January. So that money went to that. So all but $1,500, you know. So do you have plans to reacquire or replace your sold games? So I have this habit of not following through with stuff. And so my goal was to really, like, force myself to, like, this is going to matter. Like, if I'm going to really go for working in the industry, if I'm going to try to get gigs doing audio projects for pinball machines, whether it be homebrew or actual manufacturing it's got to come with some sacrifice because I have a job, I make enough money I've got a family, my wife has a great job it's like, do I need to do this? if you sell the machines, you've got a little bit of skin in the game and it's like, I want to get machines back and the only way I can do that is if I make money but I also really want to actually follow through with something for once and not make silly stuff that I can just say like it doesn't really matter. I want to make something that matters that I really believe in and, and really put myself out there. Yeah. That's awesome. Continue, continue with the songs. So there ends up being like 11 or 12 songs in the game now. Cause we kept on adding different situations, different hidden modes, different. And, and it's like each mode is like a minute long. Cause that's how much the timer runs for. And, and two to two of the songs have a loop that's during a multi ball. And it just will loop at that same loop looping point until you're down to one ball. And it goes back into the base mode of the game. but if you've already beaten a mode then the next game mode from the movie is more intense than the previous one so as you're playing each song from the film gets more intense until you're finally like close to the wizard mode and you just want to like pull your own teeth out rather than jigsaw do it yeah that's super cool man how so wait so how long i mean are you are you still working on the music yeah is that right finished i just finished a a track this last weekend for what I think will be like a hidden mode in the game that we're coding at the moment. And when that's done, Austin's almost done with the wizard mode and it's a deep game. This is not like your standard homebrew game.
    15:11
    We put a lot of thought into it. But it's not just that. It's like hundreds of voice call-outs from the Jigsaw character that I've performed because I can make my voice sound like Jigsaw with the right plugins and the right sound effects. And there's funny lines in there too, like, you know, just how much do you want your filper fingers and stuff like that like like in the jigsaw voice and so there's a way to bring a little levity to it because everything's so serious in the game and like bringing a little bit of humor especially from a character that has no humor in the film series i think that that's pretty fun too but uh yeah and outside of that all all of the switches all of the targets you know all the sound effects in a game there's a lot it was it was really overwhelming when i started because i didn't know where to start did you have like a like a list you know like like is that how you guys worked on that? Yeah, and so it was just like, oh, we still need sound effects for this. What would that sound like if the pop bumpers had the sound of somebody getting stabbed, right? But then you don't want the same sound effect every pop bumper that gets hit. So then you start pitch shifting up and down and taking different samples and all of a sudden you've got a bank of 16 sound effects for one pop bumper hit. It's just going to randomly pick one and it's going to make all these crazy sounds as it's popping through the pop bumpers. And then I thought it'd be cool if you hit the side ramp, because it's a shotgun shot. When it hits the first switch, it does the shotgun pump, but then one of the six different blasts of the shotgun is going to have a delay, and you never know when it's going to actually have a blast, so it's going to have this little element of when is that going to blast? There's a lot of things we thought of about that.
    16:45
    Dude, I want to play it so bad. Is it going to be at Expo this year? It will be at Expo. In fact, something really cool I and share because I got permission from the team. On Sunday, it was in Charlotte, North Carolina at a horror convention.
    17:00
    Shawnee Smith and Mandelore, Costas Mandelore, the lead from 4 through now that plays Jigsaw Predators, he played the game with Shawnee. Shawnee played Amanda that she had the bear trap on her head in the first one and she ended up in sequels after that. They freaked out. They loved it. No way! They had no idea that somebody made this. They couldn't believe it. They were like, you can't buy this? Why can't you buy this? Do you guys have a social media page or something? Or is it like a public-facing for the game? We have a website, softball.com. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just curious because I would love to see a picture or some kind of documentation of that experience, but also the game, right, and what it looks like. Yeah, I mean, it's on Pinside, certainly. We've seen it on Pinside. I didn't know there was a separate website for it, though. You know, we'll have it at Expo. it was at TPF and it was at Southern Fried Gaming in Atlanta. And people, there was lines for it the entire time. People didn't get to play it because they didn't want to wait for 10 people to play it in front of them. So if you go to Expo and you don't see a long line, take your chance. There's a lot of great homebrews that will be there as well. But we're hoping to have it there with headphones. You can hear it. Heck yeah, heck yeah. I also want, this is a call to anybody in pinball streaming land, If you're going to be at Expo with a streaming rig, let us know. If you're willing to stream the game, we can hook it up to direct audio.
    18:29
    I would love to have an example for people to watch it because after this next show, it's going to Austin's house forever. That's where he's going to have it because we don't have the license from Lionsgate. We can't make more of them and sell them. What we have to do is this is our one-off. yeah yeah i mean do you guys have aspirations to uh turn it into a production game in any capacity we would love to if if we could get permission for it we've we've tried um how have you uh but we're just a team of four guys and so you know um i'm not i'm not sure like i know that lionsgate uh just did wick john wick so maybe yeah success that maybe they'd be willing to you know but But it also like there probably some copyright infringement with a layout of a play field We not sure what lawyers would say about using a layout Have you ever seen Jurassic Park Data East I don think you the first person to repurpose the Whirlwind layout. I haven't thought about that. I have an idea for you, Glenn. Yeah, let's hear it. So you guys take the exact same game, right? Just add a little bit of Spanish and just make it Machete. Machete? Well, actually, that is a license, isn't it? That is a license. Dang it, I forgot about that. accidentally invent machete. Maybe they would be down. I don't know. We're open for it. The game's been at a couple shows where it wasn't 100% completed. We had versions of the game that had three multiballs and five modes. That was kind of it at TPF.
    20:05
    There's a lot more in it now. It's a full product at this point. It was just at that horror convention and it was bulletproof. And now for a word from our sponsor. Friday! Rebecca is pregnant. Pregnant? Shh! Pregnant? It's fatherhood for Jesse on Full House. Then it's fatherhood 60 million B.C. You think you got what it takes to put me to sleep? Please. On the new hit, Benisaurus. Then... Man, I'd do anything to go to that concert. Anything? Can Laura be bribed on Family Matters? Then Valky gives the Meposian marriage test. So what do we score? 80? 93. Your score is 3. Perfect Strangers. It's an all-new Friday.
    20:46
    Now, back to the show. So, do you have, like, a favorite TGIF show? Oh, God, yes. Yeah. Earl Sinclair from Dinosaurs. You know, not the mama of the baby that smacks the dad with the frying pan. Not the mama! I think it was a Steven Spielberg show. It's really, really funny. Yeah, it was kind of like puppet version of The Simpsons with dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah, so that's the theme I want next. Oh, for a pinball game. Oh, dream themes. So dinosaurs, the dream theme. Yeah, I could see that. That's a great... He's a tree pusher for a career. Yeah, tree pusher. He comes home, he runs his 85-inch television.
    21:31
    You are what you are, and that's all you're ever going to be. That's right. Tree pusher. You know it. That's so funny. Yeah, I watched all the dinosaurs, I'm sure. That was a great show. Yeah, that was, I believe, on the episode of Hurling Day, where his mother-in-law is too old and too slow and holds back the herd. And it's time to throw that lady off of a cliff into a pit of tar so that the herd is no longer weak.
    22:00
    And due to modernized days of 170 million B.C., where there's grocery stores, they no longer need to slow you know to worry about the weak herd and so grandma no longer has to get thrown off into the tarp such a bonkers show yeah i i you know i didn't really watch it glenn i'm i think i'm a little bit younger than you guys but uh i do remember you know like the little uh i guess what were like puppet like the costumes and yeah they're like animatronic there are people inside of them but yeah kind of like the like the uh turtles like the first turtles movie sort of thing okay believe it or not though we did get that show in panama because i remember you know i don't know if maybe it was a few years later or something but i remember seeing it for sure down there as a kid and i thought it was so cool because it was like american television and i thought the baby was so funny and i used to like walk like him can i ask you guys a question turn this around a little bit yeah yeah what what are your superpowers like you guys have anything like that's rare and unique individually i've got a bunch i don't i don't mean to brag but i want to hear what you guys have i'm gonna let don go first because he seems like he's got just tons of stuff to say right now and i just want to hear what it is you know i i i actually don't have a superpower um i'm i'm in the market so if anyone is selling any superpowers i will happily invest in one i think you have superpowers you just don't realize their superpowers. Is there like a certain age? Is it like 40? Is that the age that you hit when you discover that you have a superpower? You figure it out as you go. Like, oh my god, I've got this inherent ability to do something nobody else in the world can do. Should I reveal one of mine? Let's hear one of yours. So once I am familiar with a person individually well enough, I can associate the perfect font for that person. Let me start with you. Do you know what your font is? Hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me guess.
    24:02
    Just don't say Comic Sans. I was about to say Comic Sans. Do not say Comic Sans. Comic Sans was the first thing I thought of. Adorn.
    24:10
    Adorn. It's this beautiful, curvy, long letter, swift, beautiful penmanship. I got to look this up, Glenn. Sorry. Forgive me. If it feels as good as the way you're describing it, and I feel this connection between us right now. Well, it's right. This is going to be my new... I've never been wrong. This will be my new font, and I will sign my name in this font for the rest of my life. I think you're onto something here. Adorn. I think the subject of fonts in pinball games has been brought up by you, Don, at least, I don't know, five times on our podcast? Yeah, I'm fond of fonts, for sure. You're a font guy, so you're looking up Adorn? Yeah, I'm looking up Adorn. Matt, would you like to know yours? Yeah, hit me with it. So you are New Times Roman? Okay. New Times Roman. All right, all right. New Times Roman. Have you seen that font? I don't know if I've seen New Times Roman. New Times. I'm just glad you didn't say Zaf Dingbats.
    25:15
    There's too many adorns, Glenn. Is there like a... Hang on. Is there like a standard adorn? Yeah, sorry. Our lighting is... Take the compliment, Don. Well, I adore you, Glenn. Thanks for adorning me with the adorned font. Wait, question. So with your superpower, if you look in the mirror, can you see your own font? No. So you can't tell your own font? No.
    25:42
    Maybe, Don, you have this power. Let me think about this, man. I see in your face, Glenn, you're kind, you're creative, you're quick. you're considerate, you're also, you know, you don't take BS from people. What font is that? I've been told by several people it's italicized. That I know.
    26:09
    Let me get back to you. I need to really scroll through some fonts, man, and really feel. I'll take a screenshot and look at your picture and look at the fonts, and I'll see if I can... I don't have the power, so I have to work extra hard to make it happen. So, Don, did you think of any superpowers that you may have in this interview? I just feel bad for people, and it's weird. I'll see somebody do something embarrassing, and I just have to look away because I feel bad. I guess chronic empathy is a superpower. Chronic empathy.
    26:40
    Somebody will spill something, and I will literally look away so they don't realize that I'm looking at them and then feel bad. I witnessed one of your superpowers tonight, and it's kind of cool because you don't really sometimes know it for sure. You inherently, Don, you inherently know the right way to head dance to a particular groove.
    26:57
    Okay, okay. I'll add it. I'll add it to my list. You're never wrong. It's perfect. You can do this thing, or you can do the side to side, a little forward to back. Sometimes you can kind of come back. Yeah, you know it. When you hear that groove, you hit that dance move. I'm all about that groove, man. It's the right one. It's always the right one. Yeah, the only superpowers I can think of personally for myself are more like stupid human tricks. Oh.
    27:23
    You know? Like when you guys were kids, we were bored all the time, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I rolled marbles in a tub. Hours. Watch them roll around. Yeah, so were there any stupid human tricks that you learned how to do as a kid, Don?
    27:40
    Yes. I did the eyelid thing where you would grab your eyelid and flip it inside out, like invert it, you know? and then you would look at your friends and scare them. I think I got an eye infection, like a staph infection, like an eye thing. My mom yelled at me too. Yeah, I think I tried that once and it burned really bad. You've got to wash your hands and as a kid you don't wash your hands ever.
    28:01
    That's the trick. Wash your hands before you invert your eyelid. Yeah, the one that comes to mind that I can do is I can blow bubbles.
    28:08
    What? Wait, let me see if I can do one. Is it visible? Maybe. oh my god he did it, look at that what I thought you were going to tell me about a clown experience you had I've never seen that in my whole life the one was perfect I'm not going to beat that I have at times been able to catch it and re-blow it back out again I used to sit around just trying to do... You know, it's like if you're at church or something, when you're like nine.
    28:53
    What else is there to do? I wish I had that power. You know what power you do have What that You have the power to steal Don heart It true And get rid of Black Rose Is that still in the shedcade Glenn I don even want to talk about it. I just want to be your support animal in this situation. Fine. It is still in the shedcade. I haven't actually put up because I've actually never had to go into the back box of that game because I've never had any issues with it. So I just never opened it up. Turns out I don't have the key to the back box so i was getting a post-it for sale and i was like i should have the key to the back box and i tried like 50 keys that i have laying around none worked so then i had to get like a security torx driver to get things anyway so i wonder where that key is i'm yeah don don stole it i wonder where that key is anyway so i have just gotten into the back box i just have to replace the lock up there and we'll be good to go. But Don, you should come play it again before I... Yeah, I will. Can I ask another question? Is this open season for questions? This is open season. We're rolling. After your return from the future,
    30:15
    I need to know, are you trying to assimilate listeners into a Mindhive situation? And if so, we need to know what kind of bash we're being assimilated into. Can you define bash? So this is a multi-part question. This is a multi-verse, multi-part question. The short answer is yes.
    30:37
    And what is Bash? It is the brotherhood and sisterhood of homies. And we play pinball and have fun. And it's all about fun and helping each other. But yeah, in a serious way, Glenn, yeah, I think we do. I think we actually do want to make a little community slash network of people and, you know, like-minded, like us. I think I'm going to go ahead and say like you, right? Because I think we get along that way. We have a lot of creative energy, right? And like, you know, helping each other, working together, splitting games, whatever. I mean, we're open to collaborating and stuff. and I guess we'll see how far we can go. I'll be ready.
    31:29
    I'm multitasking. It's okay if I work out while we do this. Oh, I thought you were looking. That's enough for after. You look out of shape. I got a breath. I've got my thigh master.
    31:44
    I was like, Glenn, did you get that from Suzanne Summers? Well, I mean, her estate. Oh, okay. Glenn, have you been doing that the whole time? Just the last five minutes. Five minutes? Are you sure? I've been working on my thigh gap. I saw you move a little bit weird earlier.
    32:01
    Yeah, I mean, some people like the stand-up desk. Some people like to put the treadmill under it. I like to be at a desk with my Thighmaster. It's a life choice. By the way, is that yours? Yeah, I found it in a dumpster about a month ago.
    32:17
    I also found... Hold on, let me show you this. I can't tell if you're serious, man. I love it. All right, I just had to go to my closet and grab this.
    32:26
    This is an Alan and Heath mixing board that I would like to donate to the show, if possible. It could replace the Shedcade's giant console, I assume it's an SSL or a Trident. And you could remain with plenty of space in the Shedcade to keep Black Rose. What do you think? Glenn, you've answered my prayers. Well, I'm grateful for you, Glenn, and I'm grateful. Did you buy that? No, I found that in the dumpster.
    32:59
    So your involvement with the sound is you're basically creating the files in MP3 format or WAV format and sending it over to the guy that's actually coding it. And he's plugging it into the game, and then we play it, and then we go, oh, that's too loud, or that's not loud enough, and we make adjustments from there. But, yeah, I kind of send it like we're all we're all like 40 minutes away from each other. Like we have like this triangle, you know, of four of us. That doesn't make sense. But, you know, we're not more excited. Triangle. Triangle. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. And there's there's been a couple other contributors. You know, we hired Lonnie to print the play fields and then we hired this Donald guy that built this amazing topper that actually articulates with high pressured air. and it snaps. It would hurt. If your hand was in there, it would really hurt. It's loud and it cracks. That's awesome. Rika, she's the artist. Joe's wife, Cher, she did the role of Amanda, so she had a good 50 to 60 call-outs. We didn't always want Jigsaw kind of like busting in. It was better to have another person involved. She tried to emulate that style of speaking that really soft-spoken kind of lack of emotion. And she tells you, like, hey, you collected a bathtub. Because there's items in the game also that correspond with different perks that you can use throughout the game. And it really was a huge team effort. And I can't think of a more fun way to do it than with a group of friends. Yeah, that's amazing, dude. Obviously, you guys have put a ton of work, 1,500-plus files on your part alone. Just for the audio. Yeah, just audio files. what was the motivation is this just like a personal goal that you guys had a collective goal to try to make something or what like what what are you guys getting out of this besides um the obvious amazing game right like what's like we're closer as a group of friends than we were going into it that that's kind of cool too like to go across this finish line as the four of us that did this thing that that people are saying is just as polished as stuff coming off of manufacture certain floors like somebody came up with the idea that the plunger is going to be a jack a jigsaw like a handsaw a hacksaw yeah it's gonna cut through a leg and every every time somebody came up with a new idea it was just like it re-lighted that spark i can't imagine doing this project by myself you know if even if i had all the skills like i look at scott denisi and with the way he built tna like how did that guy do that all by himself you have to be highly motivated. But yeah, I totally relate to the like feeding off of each other kind of thing. Yeah. You get a good idea and then that kind of like reinvigorates you and then somebody else throws in an idea and it's just, yeah, it sounds like a lot of fun. I wouldn't be able to do this podcast at all, not even close by myself. Yeah, we wouldn't do this if it wasn't both of us. I can't imagine trying to do it with just solo. It's way better than some of its parts for sure. Yeah. I hope you guys get hired. I mean, I hope someone listens to this and says, Glenn and staff, make this game for us. We will give you millions and millions of dollars, unlimited budget, unlimited ideas. Right? Yeah. Is that maybe my – Well, I want to. I don't know that the other three guys want to quit their, well, higher paying jobs than I have. Sure, sure, sure. So, yeah. Like Joe is like – he works on programming for like amusement park rides. Eric's an architect. Austin is like a coder like software they know their stuff, they're doing good this is just for them a hobby I install custom closets and install window treatments and it's like how long can I do that for you know 42 maybe 10 more years and then climbing up and down extension ladders probably better how's your back it's alright so far it's not as spry as it used to be when I would go skateboarding all the time yeah I have to ask because I found out pre-record that we're the same age. Yeah? Yeah.
    37:10
    Physical therapy for me. Wait, the chairs. That's one of the things that we're still trying to figure out with this new video format.
    37:18
    Sorry, Matt. I had three chairs in here tonight, and this is the one that makes the least amount of noise. It's like, I've got to find a chair. Even when you're playing guitar, it moves a little bit.
    37:28
    I'm not a stand-up player. I'm a sit-down player. which is opposite from how I go to the bathroom it's weird dude awesome thank you so much Glenn we really appreciate you man thanks for bringing the bits I'll do more I've got more I didn't use all of them see you man see you
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