All right, everybody. All right. Welcome to West of the Rockies. You're on the air. Are you ready to get this thing going? I'm ready to crank it up. Ladies and gentlemen, from the low desert of the great American Southwest, welcome to the Electric Batcast. My name is Cale. I'm Rachel. And we operate a tiny arcade in the middle of the desert in the Valley of the Sun, Arizona. and we teach people about operating. We just take people along with our adventure of learning how to operate pinball machines and video games and run a bar. We tell them what our experience is. We started out by not knowing what we were doing. Speak for yourself. So, you know, anybody can do this. Just follow along. first of all let's get into what's coming up at the electric bat arcade any new games tournaments what can you tell us about um you know we we always have new games coming in and out um i think we're waiting for pokemon right now to be the next the next one that we get or beetlejuice beetlejuice is probably going to come first that would be cool uh Tournaments every Tuesday at 630, every last Sunday of the month. I think that's nothing crazy. State championships are this weekend. I'll be playing on Sunday. How about that? Yeah. Congratulations for making it in. Thanks. You know, I saw a lot of ladies in the arcade yesterday practicing. They were practicing. The state championship is at Starfighters this year. We flip-flop with Starfighters every year. year. Did I say that right? One year it's the electric bat, the next year it's the Starfighters. Repeat. Thank you for the clarification. They were in the electric bat practicing on the games that we had that they know are going to be in the Women's State Championship. And then Starfighters was going to open, which is today, Friday. Starfighters only opened the weekend. That's why they were practicing at the bat during the week. And then we're going to head to Starfighters today to practice those games, some games that we don't have at the bat. Yeah. Were you practicing? No. But one of the people you told me that was practicing is who I'm up against in the first round. And she's good. She's good. So I may need to practice. On this episode, this is really exciting because we have – we're a little bit behind. Yes. But that makes this a great episode. Yeah, welcome. Yeah, so we're going to do the earnings report. And that's the real reason everybody listens to this, the earnings report, right? I like it. Yeah. So we have the earnings report for November, December. Yes. And the end of year. End of year. And I have a couple other things that people have requested. People wanted to know top games. People wanted to know bottom games. Top and bottom. Interesting. uh can i talk about my jello shots oh yeah because we don't have any like uh big things coming up at the bat that you need tournament wise i thought this would be a great opportunity to talk about one of my favorite things that that i do which is make jello shots for the bat and you brought some i brought some on this is show and tell you brought some home yeah i brought some well yes i brought some home to show everybody what it is that i've been up to So because it's dry January, we always will have a non-alcoholic Jell-O shot in stock. Right now, it's a pineapple upside-down cake Jell-O shot. So that is – it is made with pineapple juice, Jell-O, maraschino cherry, and it looks very cool. This is an alcoholic Jell-O shot. Is that what you say? It has alcohol in it. It likes to drink. And this is apple pie a la mode. I don't know how close to the camera I should get it That's about as close as I can reach But it has a vanilla cinnamon cream Jell-O Ice cream scoop in it And then Jell-O made of apple juice And gelatin and cinnamon So this is Yeah, so for yous For yous guys For yous who are at home It's got a little like white dome at the bottom Which represents an ice cream scoop. Yeah, and it tastes, they're two different jellos. I mean, there's different tastes. So when you bite into it, you can taste the apple pie flavor and then the ice cream flavor. And then I also brought home a lemon meringue, which has one layer of a translucent lemon jello on top of a cream layer that tastes like meringue. Fantastic. There's some various, usually they're mostly vodka based, but I think some of the apple pie one has some amaretto. We have some different alcohols in there. And there you go. We always have jello shots at the bat. Sometimes I like to get crazy and make some cool cocktail based ones. Would you recommend some of the folks that own bars that are watching for them to do something like this? Yes. If you have access to a kitchen, they are great both in terms of it's just a little something that you can add on. It's always fun to do like a round of shots with your friends, but maybe you're already a couple of beers in. You don't really want to do like a round of shots or they can be very expensive jello shots. We sell them for two to three dollars depending on the base alcohol in them or a dollar fifty if they're non-alcoholic. And so it's super cheap. It's easy for everybody to just add that on to whatever they're already getting. And there's a good profit margin in it. There's some labor involved. So if you're making them yourself, great, because your own labor is always free, right? Just takes time. Yeah, just takes time. And even just regular plain Jell-O shots with just like Jell-O, vodka, those are great too. People love them. Fantastic So that's what's going on at the bat, jello shots Good deal, that's always a good time Don't forget, thank you to Marco's Specialties for the continued support If you order for those guys, type in EBA150 at checkout for free shipping on orders over $150 Good deal. I'm going to do it today. Yeah. Right. I know that trick. All right. Wondering if you could get into more details about writing a machine. Should you open a business routing just one? Would there be any need for insurance for that machine or does it get covered by the place that has the machine? I do understand it may vary from state to state. So maybe these questions are too broad. They're not too broad. No, I can answer that. Yeah. Yeah. I think what I would do is if I had one machine to route, I would not. I don't know that I would open an LLC for that, but, you know, it's cheap. And if this is something you think you might do in the future, why not start it now? You can get insurance for it. It's generally not covered by the establishment. The insurance that we have for machines when they're not at the bat, if they go somewhere else, is called inland marine insurance, which is a weird thing, but it basically is like it's for something that you have that's not at your place. I don't know a whole lot about insurance, so maybe in other places it's different. I don't know. But I would, if you're going to go about getting tags and doing it all officially, depending on where you live, that can be different, then I probably would consider opening an LLC, But maybe for the first little bit while you're just getting your feet wet, you don't really want to do, you know, you just want to test it out. Why not just put a machine at a bar, have a have a contract and go for it? Yeah, that my way. Sorry about that. I had to adjust my volume over there. I think the way I would do it is just like I have a machine. I meet somebody I like that owns a bar handshake. I bring it in. But that's probably not a good business practice. But, yeah, I mean, that's not the business practice that I would recommend to somebody else. But it is the way we tend to do things. Yeah, I can't in good conscience tell JoJo, hey, just feel it out. I mean, but that is the way that many of us got started. Right on. Moving right along, question from, I think this is Joe at Indie Arcade Wave. He has a great channel where he interviews all kind of people. He just recently had Jeff Dirty Pool. Oh, we love Dirty Pool. Yeah, he was on there. So go check out Indie Arcade Wave. They're on Instagram, YouTube, all that good stuff. He said, hey, Cale and Rachel, thanks for another amazing episode of the Electric Badcast. I'm currently in the middle of episode 29 and I had to ask a question. You said in order to be successful at anything, you have to enjoy it. This is so true. I love this scene. And the longer I'm in it, the more I love it. Six years of podcasting, developing arcade games and now selling pinballs. Now to the question, as someone that has and buys a lot of pinball and arcade games, do you think sets? What do you think sets a good distributor apart from a great distributor you want to recommend to your friends? I want to help as many people as I can share their love of pinball with the world. Thank you for all you do. I'm looking forward to the next episode already. This is all about relationships. And I was about to say in business, but just relationships in general are like paramount to the apex, to the pinnacle. Zenith. Zenith of everything in your world. Yeah. Oh, you want me to answer that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Add to it. Yeah, so some things that I have had the opportunity, both through Electric Bat, but even more so through Marco's specialties, to work with just about every distributor. I feel like I've worked with dozens of distributors. The things that set them apart for me was, one, really good communication, good, fast communications. um they the good ones would always uh you know whenever you get one of those parts for a game that needs an update like rush had a scoop protector x-men had the ball hop guide so with stern specifically the star wars star wars death star um i would like my distributor to know, hey, I bought X number of these games and just hit me up and say, hey, a fix came out for that. I'm going to send it to you. I don't want to have to reach out to them. I want them to reach out to me because it's possible that a lot of your customers may not even know about it. You and I tend to know about things, but a lot of them won't, and they'll really appreciate that information and just that service. I think service and relationships are the most important things. whenever we were working with Game Room Goodies, my favorite thing about them was since we're running a pretty busy arcade, we would have a lot of welds break, and you've heard me talk about it before. I could take those parts across town to them. They would weld them, get them back to me, and that's above and beyond. They would physically fix parts. But I know that not every distributor knows how to weld. It might be a great thing to add to your repertoire of skills. but there are other things that a distributor can do which is just very good friendly tech support knowing that your customers are at various skill levels and being able to meet them where they are and help them out with those machines and that takes a lot of time yeah um but that i think is what is going to set you apart from joe below distributorship For sure. You know, the taxes and shipping and all that sort of stuff, that'll get you like those kinds of discounts will get you like bulk customers, but they aren't going to get you loyal customers. And I think the service is where that comes in. Very well said. Thank you. I agree with all of that. Thank you so much, Joe. We will see you at the next show. Now we have Matt from Long Island via email. Did he have a question before this? Because it says also. Let's start with also. Let's read it. What game do you guys find strikes the perfect balance of play time and earning potential? Like, can you have a game that eats tokens quick, but customers might get frustrated and stop playing it over time? when a game that plays too long isn't earning enough? Was just curious. I don't ever feel like our limit to earnings is that the game is playing too long. There's not, aside from whenever a game like Dungeons and Dragons comes out and there's a line for two days, we're not limited by gameplay time. Right. And I think as long as the game is well designed, then it will give people that let me keep playing yes the exception i would say is whenever it's a brand new person to pinball steps up um i always prefer that they go to a friendlier game uh you know whenever you see them walk up to like venom or something as their very first game like oh let me let me try and steer you towards like attack from mars this is going to be a friendly game where you're going to accidentally do something cool. Right, right. And Godzilla, kind of the same way. Sure, same thing. Yeah. And I think we kind of got into this on the latest JBS podcast, me, Ralph, and Jamie chatting it up. We were talking about Star Wars, and Jamie was talking about what a brick fest it is. And one of the people that commented on YouTube was like, well some games need to be i don't know if you i can't remember if he said specifically this game's designed that way so it eats quarters that's what operators want that's not what operators want well i don't think so but i went in and like said you know kind of like i'm well it's from electric batter cake so i would imagine that he knows i'm an operator but operators actually don't want that um and gomez and i were chatting about it during that gomez interview we did on the jbs show where George actually said you used to want that because you had bars or arcades where they only had like a handful of pinball machines and there were lines. Right. So you want it. Now we have bars with good 65 pinball machines or even 20. Right. You know, that's you didn't get really like back in the 80s and 90s is plenty to not have a line in most establishment for sure yeah uh so you really you don't want those difficult uh games that are set up on on hard mode really anymore no and especially not with titles that are going to attract new players like star wars if a brand new person comes into an arcade they're going to want to play something that they recognize and for 80 of the people star wars is going to hold a special spot in their heart yeah go over to star wars and then watch them try and shoot the death star over and over even with the fix i mean it's not it's not impossible it's not like super hard for pinball players but for a novice heaven help you right yeah that's a that's a hard shooter but uh it's earning very well and people love playing it it's true so maybe i'm just totally wrong we'll let you Thank you so much, Matt, for Long Island. We'll get back to you if I'm totally wrong. Now, I have this question. Many people have asked about this recently, and I think it's time to revisit it. Let's discuss moving machines and what tools we use for moving machines. Okay. Me and you. You can lift like 700 pounds, and I can lift like 100 pounds. Right. I've moved machines every way possible. I have taken a machine with legs on, head up, lifted it up with three people, put it in the back of a pickup truck. I was there for this terrible idea. And took it down the road. Which was totally fine. It worked out. We took it down the road to a Mexican restaurant. So we've moved a machine like that. Don't do that. Definitely don't. So we've used pin skates. We've used dollies. We've used coffin lifts. I hate those. I always feel like I'm going to lose an appendage when I use a coffin lift. Coffin lift, for people that don't know, is like a big rectangle, and then there's like a pedal that you step on that's kind of in between where some of the parts that go up are. And so it always feels like it's going to come down and slice your shin in half. I hate that for two reasons. One, I'm not heavy enough to lift it because it relies on your body weight or force to push it down. So it's very difficult for me to lift a machine that way. And then it's just scary as shit. And they're all like creaky and you run through the arcade with like, bring out your dead. Yeah, it's not a coffin lift because it moves coffins. It's a coffin lift because it puts you in one. I've used an escalera. I've even used a forklift to move them around the warehouse. I think I've moved machines in every way possible. I've even just taken four guys and picked up a machine or two guys and moved the machine around. For home use. Pinskates, I would say, is the way to go. Yeah I would just get pinskates You can get them at Marco Specialties They are amazing If you don know how to use them I sure there some videos Because they can be if you just receive them in the mail You just kind of look at it like, what am I supposed to do with this? It may be a little tricky. I bet there's some videos online that show you how to use them. But they are amazing. I love them for home use because they don't take up any space. You can put them in a closet once you're done with them, deploy them. We keep them in like behind the seat in the truck. Like they just they fold up into something like the size of you can fit behind your seat. Right. And we always keep them on us because you never know when somebody is like, hey, let's go buy a pinball machine. Those are great for home use. If you are really, really moving machines, it's time to move to a dolly. Yeah. And you can get them at Harbor Freight, but you may have to modify them. Right. We have you take the front panel, the front handles. handles off and um we had a buddy weld some hinges ours looks very uh mad max but it's i've had it for more than 10 years i think at this point it's still going strong yep and uh some people don't modify them some people keep the straight handle on it that's fine we prefer ours modified yeah um if if you have if you're going to be moving up and down stairs there are dollies that go up and downstairs stair climbing dollies right right um vick vp just got one he did a little video on so go check his social media out i saw it on instagram um and you can see what brand he uses i've never actually used one so i'm not sure we're in arizona we don't really have stairs there's no stairs yeah anywhere um and and then like if you're at the arcade level where you are going to be moving machines a lot dolly i would also get your just your hand truck um that's helped out a lot yeah when when machines are soldiered uh for moving them put them in the truck you know take a hand truck anyway if you're running an arcade you you already have a hand truck and i love the one they have at costco i don't know if you can still get it but it like it transforms from like your traditional hand truck to like a cart that lays down and lets us bring in all of food items. Right. Big hauls. Food items for the bar, not for us. We're not eating that much. Going to the grocery store. But for most people that only have a couple of machines, man, pin skates are the way to go for that. Freaking fabulous. Because you can use them to move them. Yeah, just pin skates. Do pin skates. Use EBA 150. Get some pin skates. Now, we have a question. This says NM Retro Gamer. Isn't it MN? Yeah. I think that's where, that must be a, I don't know. The confusion continues. But we know it's this guy's name. Yeah, MN Retro Gamer. Unless now there's a New Mexico version, just to really screw with you. His question is if you have the option to put three Stern Pros on one location or take the same three stern pros and split them up to three different locations, which one would you choose? Man, that really just depends on your area, right? Yeah, it really does. And at first you may put one in three different locations, see which one does if one does astoundingly better, move the other two there and see, you know, move one of the your worst performing one there also. But I like how the option is just three stern pros. That is the way to go. Yeah. They're reliable. Well, they wanted to take out all the guesswork. Well, like what if one of them is strikes and spares? Then where are you, you know? I will tell you this. Apples to apples. One of our friends ran into this problem recently. He put a machine, he actually bought a machine from us, Stern Pro. Yeah. Put it in a bar and was all excited. Got Stern Insider connected setup, which you do. If you're operating even one machine. Do that. Get that thing connected. It's free. Ask the bar for their Wi-Fi. That really makes people – people get excited about Stern Insider Connected. So he put the game in a local bar, and then he goes there like, what, like a week and a half later, and there are two other pinball machines. Yeah. And he's like, what the hell? Someone else moved theirs into the same bar. it keep in mind something like that can happen and think about that when you're forming a contract yeah because you want to be the person that has the uh first option to add more machines right like if the bar owner is like well i would like more machines you know please like he the bar owner didn't even tell him he just somebody else came in it's like oh i have pinball machines can i put them in here too yeah absolutely didn't even occur to him to tell him right and and the bar owner is not being nefarious. They were just like, oh, yeah, you have machines. Let's go ahead and get some more machines in here. Yeah. But anyway, think about that whenever you're operating machines. I don't think we've ever talked about that before. Yeah. Johnny Two Slaps has a question via Discord. This is an in-depth question. Are you ready for this one? I'm ready. Did you check it out and do a little research and think about what you're going to say? Because I don't even know. I don't even know what you're about to ask me. I'm just telling you I'm ready regardless. Okay. Johnny Two Slaps has an operator slash technician question for the Batcast. How do you feel about the bayonet style GI lamp sockets used to this day on modern Sterns? It seems like other manufacturers have largely moved to LED lamp boards with light pipes to get the light where it needs to go. But Stern still uses lamp socket daisy chain together on a single wire strand and soldered directly to the lugs on each socket, especially on board games. Are you seeing overcurrent issues caused by shorted sockets? If so, how often do you have any general opinion or preference of lamp sockets versus lamp boards? or opinions on GI in general. How do you like your games to be lit at electric bat? Do you do any mods to your new inbox games to get them to look a certain way? Love the show. Hope to see you all soon. Thank you so much, Johnny. Johnny's our boy. Yeah. This is a real in the trenches question. And I have answers for it. Let's hear it. So the lamp sockets drive me crazy whenever they are the ones that are in the inlanes that always in underneath the slings that always tend to vibrate a little bit loose. I wish that those were different. under the play field I do not like the PCB LED style setups like what Jersey Jack uses the reason I don't like them is because they are they're unique to each game I don't want to have to swap out order a whole PCB hope it's still available whenever I need it that has surface mount LEDs on it. And I guess I could potentially repair that, but what if the problem was something different? It's always much, much easier to repair a socket, which I did on a big game just two days ago. Got all burnt up, swapped out a socket, and good to go. My favorite lighting are the Yopsicle-style individual PCBs. I understand that that's a little bit more labor at the factory level but um we swap all of our classic games out to those if people don't know what i'm talking about it is just a single um little circuit board all it has is one led on it you solder it just like a lamp socket and then it has like a surface mount diode or doesn't it yeah yeah so you don't have flickering um so i would like to see something like that that you can use for gi because the gi is always the part that starts flickering out. But then, you know, also on older games like, for example, Twilight Zone or Addams Family that have those screw-in lamp sockets, those also always like vibration. And I know the question here is about specifically modern sterns and modern games, but I think it really affects all eras of games, and it's something that we deal with all the time. All the time. trying to get these lamp sockets to stay lit when they're supposed to. We don't see so much of the overcurrent thing. I've seen people talk about that online a lot. We haven't, surprisingly. Yeah. We run a lot of stern machines. We haven't seen any issues. For long periods of time. I'm not sure that – I have seen an overcurrent issue on our KISS machine when it was up in Flagstaff, and maybe that was due to it, but it just went away. So if it was shorted, it unshorted itself. It heated up so much, it unshorted. I mean, I'm sure now that I say this, I'm going to go into work today, and I'm going to have like five overcurrent messages. But that's just not something that we've run into. Now he talks about, do we do any mods on new in-box games as far as lighting go? We never have. No. The only lighting mods we've added are, well, besides, of course, the fantastic stern speaker lighting stuff, but play field adjacent. On older games, like Creature from the Black Lagoon, we've added spotlights and other really cool stuff. Yeah, just on older dark games, we try and make them so you can see them in a dark bar. Right. uh the only thing we don't like to see on new games is what like cgc does and they'll use like one gigantic pcb that's almost the size of the play field and that's where your lights are and i understand there are some features in those guys i think they use like three leds per inserts in case one fails. Anyway, the only reason we don't like these, I don't know what it is. It may be that, you know, those PCBs are so large, they're prone to flexing with all the vibration. We had Mark Pearson operated a very nice limited edition Monster Bash in the arcade. Yeah. That thing's a brick now, and he's had to take it home because that gigantic. $1,000 board. Yeah, the PCB that had all the LCDs on this is a massive, massive board. LEDs. LEDs, sorry, has failed. And even CGC is like, we don't know what to do. So now Mark has a $12,000 brick that he can't. And it's not even that old. Right. And they won't help him out with it. So those things scare me. And that same type of technology is in Pulp Fiction, which I'm a little worried about down the line. Luckily, we've made our money back on that thing. But, yeah, I agree. I do not like to see anything that is game specific. Right, right. There you go. That's LEDs with our pals. LEDs with pals. Thank you so much, Johnny. This is from Long Island Pinball Society. I think that's Mike, isn't it, via Discord? We met Long Island Mike. I think this is from Mike. Question, not sure if you keep track, but I'm assuming you do. What are your bottom, let's say, five earning games for the month? Does that list vary more greatly than the top ten? Does part of your rotation criteria include coin drop? And at what point would you swap out one of the low earners? We keep the low earners in there. We do keep the low earners in there. And the low earners are probably not stuff you would think of because like a great legendary game like Johnny Mnemonic is one of the bottom earners. But we keep it in there because it's such a great game. Right. And not to give away anything, but when we get to the earnings reports, I do have the low earners of 2025. And I went back and looked, and there's a fairly consistent bottom six, seven games month to month. And we don't keep track of all of the classics earnings. So those are also probably lower than our low-earning – most of them are going to be lower than our low-earning modern games. But we keep them in there because they're fun and we like them, and it brings a different crowd. So, again, they may not be our highest earning game in the arcade, but that doesn't mean that they're not contributing. They're still carrying their weight by getting people in the door that enjoy playing things other than just modern games. Sure. Like me. There you go. And it may be a case of it's a great tournament game. It may not be a great earner. Right. But it's great for tournaments. Great for tournaments. Or it's great ROI. Like it may not earn that much, but it only costs one tenth of one that earns three times as much. So your payback is much quicker if that's important. And then you have more money in the hopper to, you know, feed the habit. That's right. The pinball habit or buy jello shots or buy jello shots, a different habit. Another question with what seems to be more frequent releases than ever. And I'm sure you need to be more selective. Do you have plans to operate games locally outside of the arcade? Would you look to do a set and forget sort of model at local bars and restaurants? I know you were at Yucca North and moved your games out. I'm sure there are games you don't want to sell, but also need to rotate off the floor for various reasons. Obviously, you spend a lot of time working and maintaining operations at the bat. So I'm sure that plays a factor in jumping into an endeavor like that. Interesting question. I'm not sure what set and forget is other than set and have a broken, unplayable machine in three days. That's what I was about to say. And we got into that on the last episode with Mike Vinikour. And he even said the operators you see that do the set and forget model, those games never work properly. Those games suck. Yeah. But so, no, we would never do a set and forget sort of model. And we encourage nobody to do that because absolutely no one. Yeah, you need to stay on top of these games and maintenance. You know, think about it like it's your cat or dog. I mean, you could like just pour a week's worth of food out for your cat and set and forget. But you have a miserable little cat and she wouldn't be doing very well. That's right. The pinball machines, much like cats, need constant maintenance. Constant, constant maintenance. You know, the litter box would be overflowing. Yeah, right, a little super lube. But we do. What? Oh, I don't know what I'm talking about. But we do have to, yes, there are more and more machines produced every year. It seems like there are more manufacturers. so we do have to be selective on what we buy and we're running out of room in our storage you know yeah we are going to have to sell a machine in the next month or so because our storage is backed up our home is full the arcade is full yeah so this is this is a real issue but we have zero plans to start operating outside of the arcade no kayla and i like the reason we pulled stuff from yucca north was because we wanted to focus on Tempe. We don't want any more like any more work than the work we already have. Yeah. But this is this is just us. This is not a bad idea for anybody else. For example, yeah, we we had there was a there was a bar that's actually in our plaza that we operated three machines at. Yeah. And this is very interesting. I think we've talked about this on the podcast. It was very interesting how little, even though this place was walking distance from the bat. You can see it from the front door. Yes. How little these machines made. And they were cool machines. We put a whodunit there. Lord of the Rings. Not Lord of the Rings. What's the other similar to Lord of the Rings? Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. The other Lord of the Rings. And then a classic, Cleopatra. those games just did not make any money it wasn't even really worth it even though it was just walking distance from the bat the three of those combined in one month made less than eight ball does in one week i mean that's to tell you like so just the energy that you put into it you know kayla and i were never over there like advertising and that was a pool hall so it's people that enjoy theoretically this type of thing um yeah where you put it really matters and how you how you market it present it right you have to interact with it you have to build hype for this and uh and you have to be there to do that so um but try it out i mean i guess the point is like if you have a machine it and your option is like i don't have room for it i need to sell it or do something else with it. If you don't want to sell it and you have somebody who's going to let you put it at a bar, cool. Yeah, try it out. Totally. Because for us, we're working on 65 machines at a time or more. And if somebody their limit is six machines, that's obviously much, much more manageable and you should space it out. Just not us. We have a question from Guttergool. You know it wouldn't be an electric back cast without a great great question from gutter ghoul his questions for expo i think he's talking about chicago at the big expo how important as an operator is visiting an event like that is it the best way to try before you buy is it good access to hard to find parts does networking work for operators or is that not as crucial our favorite thing about Expo is the people and we say it every time. That's the only reason we go. It is the only reason we go because we know that almost all of our friends in the industry are going to be at this particular show So we go up there so we can hang out with them So for us that fun but it also speaks to relationships and the importance of relationships 100%. We don't go up there to buy parts. We go up there to hang out with the people that sell us parts. And maybe we'll hear about something. We always hear about new stuff that's coming down the pipe, and that's always fun. But we don't ever go because we want to play test a machine we're thinking about getting um we go in hopes of seeing something we've never seen before like maybe some weird european game from the 80s um but not um it's for the relationships and for the fun absolutely and i would say it is important it's very important we get all these people that write in we met half of those people at expo this last year and we got to hang out with them. It's so cool. Very cool. Here's another question. It's kind of like the moving machines question. We've gotten this question from so many people. So we're not going to attribute it to just one person. We got a few questions about why we choose to use tokens instead of a card system. We really got into this back in the day, but we could quickly talk about this because I know a lot of operators think it's kind of insane as busy as our arcade is while we're using It is insane. It's totally insane. But it's kind of become tradition. Yeah. I mean. So we've talked about this before. The main reasons we stick with tokens and quarters over a card system, which a card system there's no argument is way easier and probably makes more sense and more money than what we're doing i mean on the front you know we'll we'll explain that but the the the main reason we stick with uh quarters and tokens is because that's what we remember as a kid there's the the vintage feel the you know it's nostalgic it's nostalgic and also when we talk about arcades that we love um logan is the first one that comes to mine they have a certain feel when you go into them right it's not just about what games are there but it's also how it looks it's how it sounds how it smells and all of these things build a certain experience and that experience is what separates a great arcade from a mediocre arcade regardless of what games you have yeah um and so for us this is just like a very integral part and if you think about like um i want to spend some quality time with the person i love do you want to do that efficiently or do you want to like enjoy the ride and just enjoy that time with the person that is an amazing point rachel it's it's about everything's about the vibe it We talked about the relationship with people. You have a relationship with venues, with buildings, with arcade, with machines. If your relationship is I'm loading imaginary money on this piece of plastic. With my other piece of plastic that I swiped to get it. That's a vibe. Yeah. And if you're if you are down with that vibe, totally cool. We we want that authentic vibe, the vintage vibe. And it is a lot more work, just so much more work. But we get to listen to podcasts and sort tokens. Right. So do you think we answer that? I think so. It comes down to we're crazy. We're crazy, but we love you know, we're doing this because we love the entire experience of running an arcade. not as a means for the most efficient way to make money using pinball machines it's an analog experience from front to back top to bottom all the way like you know it it's just right right this is how we do it now this is how we love it some people actually like players prefer cards because when we did that big tournament where all those people from out of town came, one guy was like, hey, man, have you all ever thought of using cards? Because I'm walking around with like 50. My pants are heavy. Yeah, he's like, I'm walking around with $50 worth of tokens in my pocket. It's pulling my pants down. I mean, I would suggest buying less tokens at a time. But then we sold him the little electric bat coin purses, and he liked that. He bought one for him and his girl. That was great. Moving right along from Roland, our boy Roland. Hey, what's up, Roland? Now Nola Roland. Nola Roland. He's in New Orleans, Louisiana right now. Rachel and Cale, have you guys ever played out of turn in a tournament? This is a question I thought of while having an extremely short ball on fishtails. We've both played out of turn. And if there are people who aren't tournament players listening, if you play out of turn, if you play someone else's ball in a tournament, you get DQ'd. Disqualified. For that round. Yes. I think we've all done it. Everyone's done it. And whenever I have to disqualify somebody in a tournament, I always try and reassure them if they're a new player. Like, listen, I do this too. I did this. I recently did it. Within the last two months, I played out of turn. one time i played out of turn because somebody told me it was my ball i'm like is it you know they're like oh it's your turn rachel it's your turn rachel so i went up and i played and then after i played that ball i realized my husband had told me was it me it was you i don't think it was it was definitely you you told me it was my ball it wasn't so even people that have your best interest at heart may tell you it's your ball and uh you'll play out of turn so yes we have I still do it on occasion. I think I already apologized for that, and I'm going to do it again. Okay. My deepest, deepest apologies for telling you to play. Pinball is for fun. It wasn't your ball. John Schaapel, when he goes up to a – even at the electric bat, I've seen him. He was doing this at InDisc also. So when he goes up to a machine, he checks the match play. Yeah, he checks every ball. Every ball. Every ball of every tournament he's ever played. He checks the order. If you see him pulling out his phone, he's not adjusting music. He's not listening to music while he's playing. He's looking at the order. He says, oh, player three is flashing. I am indeed player three. Play on. Right. I haven't played out of turn in a long, long time because I take time. When I go to the machine, I make sure my player is flashing on the back board there. And, yeah, I take a little more time. It happens a lot when you just rush up to the game. And the worst feeling, though, is at the electric bat, we don't turn off extra balls during tournaments because we'd have too many of them. Yeah, we'd have to do it on 60 machines and then set them. So we just we make an announcement before a tournament that extra balls are enabled on all of these machines. But you cannot play the extra ball if you get an extra ball, set up your skill shot, plunge the ball and walk away. the worst feeling is when you get an extra ball and you walk away and then the next player comes up and starts playing your extra ball yeah you feel like a real schmuck you feel so bad but it's actually their fault like the player who is about to plunge is about to plunge that it's up to them to know it's no matter what it's a bad feeling and that's the suckiest part about yeah all of it But it happens to everybody. I mean, this is something anyone who's played in tournaments has at some point likely played out a turn. Just be careful. Don't do it. Yep. We have another question from Guttagool via Discord regarding blown out playfields and project pins in general. How gone is too far gone? if the title is worthwhile are you doing whatever you can to save it man you just kind of know when like most of the graphics are missing where you can't tell what especially the important ones like the ones that say lock or yes not mean a point numbers one thousand two thousand three thousand right and and we even we that that's really that's really it. We'll operate a game with a lot of the paint missing, but as long as you can tell what inserts still mean, that's kind of like where we draw the line. Yeah, it has to be functional. We had a roller game. We still have a roller games where the, you know, that side flipper shot where it says lock amongst other things on the inserts. There's like three different things. All of the text was worn out and you actually got some like Letraset and reapplied the text and then put mylar and that totally worked yeah people have no idea when you're playing that game that that's not original yeah yeah so yeah we really draw the line on if you cannot if you can't play the game because you can't tell what the inserts mean anymore right and we don't yeah and our games aren't like blown out like we're probably not going to purchase a game that's super wrecked unless we, you know, I would get a repro play field for it if I wanted it that badly. But probably I'm just going to pass on the game. Very good. But a little bit of damage by the slings, man, who cares? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. What time are we at there? I'm not sure, but it feels like it's about time to get into some numbers. Okay. Well, let me mark down here because we still have some other questions, and we'll get to those. after. So this is where we stopped. I'm going to put a line right there. We have something important to talk about before we get into your earnings reports. All the earnings reports. So check out this photograph right here. We talked about moving machines. Moving machines, purchasing machines. This is not how you move a machine And let us tell you What's the back story? Here's the back story here You know, this was I feel we can talk about this publicly Because it was It was on Pinside He posted it himself It was posted on Pinside It was posted on Reddit A local Arizona player New player, I hear New player He got the deal of a lifetime Yes He went to a local auction and bid on a, what seemed to be a brand new, it wasn't in the box, as you can see, a brand new D&D premium. Yeah. Premium Dungeons & Dragons goes for what, like $9,700? Is that MSRP on that? And he got it for a little over $4,000? $4,000 plus tax. Okay. what he was saying was he believes this was an Amazon return. And the only reason he thinks that is because of this auction handles Amazon returns. And you can get great deals on all kinds of stuff there. Yeah. So here's a D&D. Now Stern's selling games on Amazon. Figure out whether Amazon auctions are there. You know, Amazon won't be handling the auction. There's a third party that handles the auction, but they end up with a bunch of like Amazon stuff. So this guy got an incredible deal on this machine after they took it off of the pallet and put it upright. So for the people that are just listening, we should describe that photograph. It is a pallet, a normal pallet with a pinball machine on its side with the legs on and kind of like at an angle. The head is up. The head is up, yeah. It's completely just imagine a pinball machine on legs. Now turn it sideways and kind of think about where the center of gravity is and put that in the middle at like an angle. I mean it is completely – this is the most asinine thing I've ever seen. Once they lifted the machine off of its side and put it up. With the balls in. With the balls in. Yeah. Put it upright. Balls are rattling all around on the play field. The machine was in great condition. they tried to play it. There were just a couple of switches that needed to be adjusted. No big deal. But it is the premium, so the disappearing dungeon, that scoop, would not. Wasn't working. There was an error. So they looked under the play field. Whoever bought this machine, you had that scoop is like twist tied or zip tied down for shipping. They never clipped it. and there were only 30 plays on this machine. Brand new machine had not even had the original zip ties. Yes. So let's think about what happened here. This was a Christmas present. Yeah. This was a Christmas present somebody got, and then they were like, this thing doesn't function properly. Amazon, come pick it up. And then it ended up at this auction. I think this shows you the importance of a dealer network Absolutely Because this is going to happen all the time These are complicated commercial machines They are not plug and play for someone who has never owned one Right, and this is just going to happen over and over again People don't, and I know Stern's probably thinking Well, there's papers in there to tell you what to do Nobody reads that shit People don't read the directions Like your eyes glaze over after the second one. Right. So interesting thing. So the takeaway is the more machines Stern is going to sell on Amazon. Check your local auction sites. Yeah, check your local auction sites. What a deal. And, you know, all of the people that have been – you know, people always dream of these warehouse deals. And you and I have lucked into some great, great deals over the years. but this is someone who's brand new and his first buying experience is getting less than 50 percent you know yeah paying less than 50 percent for a brand new awesome dungeons and dragons premium man what he paid like costco game price for a premium way to go uh so cool little story yeah total score keep your eye out don't ever put a game on a palette like this yeah right on uh Well, let's get into what everybody's been waiting for. So we have the November earnings report. November and December, and then I've done a summary of 2025. Let's get into it. All right. So November, in 10th place, we have Big Buck Hunter Reloaded, the arcade game. John Wick is at number nine. Still staying top ten. Yeah. John Wick is a very popular game. Well, and recently they just dropped a one of the limited contracts. I got a I got a push notification on my phone. But I think we were. That was in January because we were at Starfighters. Right. For that for SPF. Right. And I couldn't I couldn't run to the arcade and play it. I had to, like, tell Ty, hey, you need to head to the arcade. Go do this. Get this thing. So we'll see how that affects our January numbers. Number eight, Jaws. basically tied with Jaws and number seven is King Kong. Number six, still earning very, very well, Pulp Fiction. Number five, we paid a little bit more for it, Dungeons and Dragons. Number four, Evil Dead, still earning, that game is phenomenal. Yep. Number three, Godzilla. Always up there Yeah, so Yeah, look at So of the top ten, three of them are Elwynn games Yeah Thanks, Keith Yeah We should really send them like a cheese board or something We should do that We'll do that So do you want to guess number two and number one? Man, what I bet number two is Star Wars You are correct. That's November, right? Yes. Oh, people. Okay. I know, like Jamie said, Star Wars is a brick fest and it's hard to play. But people really love playing that game. People love Star Wars. It's very, very popular. Yeah. People speak with their wallets and they are. Yeah. And of course, it's a brand new game in November. So it's going to have some very high earnings. And number one, I. I'll give you a hint. It's not a pinball machine. This is easy. It's the Papa Shot. The Papa Shot Elite, the basketball game. Was it number one last month? I don't know. Yes, it was. Because that was like the big news. Yes. So it's number one again in November. Two months in a row. Congratulations, Papa Shot. And it was very, very, it just edged out Star Wars. So that gives you an idea, you know, if you're an operator that operates a brand new Stern, that's how much the basketball game is making as well. It's on par with a brand new Stern. Wow. Costs less than a brand new Stern. Costs less than a Stern Pro? Costs less than a Stern Pro, the Papa Shot Elite. It takes up the footprint of a pinball machine a little bit longer. I think it's about eight feet long, but the width is about the same. Yeah, you would think that they were paying me, but I just love this game. They're not paying me. You do. You play it more than you play any pinball machine. I do. I play it. Yeah, Little Goth Rachel playing basketball in the corner every day. I love that game. All right. How about that? That's very cool. Papa Shot Elite in the number one slot. So you want to move on to December. Let's see what's going on. Okay, in December, 10th place, King Kong. Okay. Number nine, Metallica Remastered. That moved up for some reason. That wasn't even in the top ten. It wasn in the top ten but it always very close That Metallica game does just astonishingly well Yep And that is really the benchmark for what people are expecting for remastered games So, you know, congratulations. You did a phenomenal job with the very first remastered. You've set a high bar for yourself, and now people expect that. Number eight, Evil Dead. Number seven, Jaws. Still in number six, Pulp Fiction. Number five, Stranger Things Out of nowhere That got a bump You know, I think it's just every once in a while Someone just absolutely loves a game that they come and play You know, there was a cool episode That's right, Stranger Things The show came out again Right, so maybe people are like Oh, I want to revisit the pinball machine I bet you're totally right with that Number four Godzilla Number three, Big Buck Reloaded. Okay. Number two, what do you think? Star Wars. That's correct. Okay. So number one, you're telling me it's Pop-A-Shot again? Pop-A-Shot Elite for the third month in a row is the top earner. Now here's something that I find incredibly interesting. Okay. So what we would expect with any game is the first month you get it, it does really, really well. Everybody wants to try it everyone they want to get their hands on it and experience the new thing historically that's what happened yes the first two months of any game it's going to be at the top first second whatever of the of the the leaderboard the earnings leaderboard yeah and then we see either a slow decline or sometimes a steeper decline if the game does not meet expectations now generally with Stern. It's a pretty slow decline until it plateaus wherever it's going to sit in the popularity rankings. Papa Shot went up. Fascinating. What's going on? So Star Wars, you know, it declined a little bit from its first month out. It's still doing very well. Still a fantastic earner. It's in the number two spot. uh pop a shot it just keeps going up i think people are you know word of mouth they're discovering like oh you can play basketball um and now they've started a league a virtual league so this is our first week currently is our first week experiencing it so we're still getting kind of the ins and outs of how it all works but it's very cool pop a shot uh the company will set you up each week with a different location across the country. So you're playing a team of four from different places. What a cool idea. I want to see Pinball do that. So we have an electric bat team and it consists of four people plus an alternate? Is that right? Correct. But there's another team playing on our machine, right? And I don't even know who they are. We don't even know them. They signed up directly. How cool is that? Yeah, I think it's awesome. I want to meet these folks and Yeah. Hey, welcome. Welcome. Very cool. So I thought that was just really some really interesting data for other operators that may be considering something like this. Again, like they don't pay me. I get no kickbacks. This is just my experience. So we've had some fantastic. Just it's blown me away with it. It's exceeded my expectations for what it would do in an arcade. And it's a great way to diversify your arcade because there are always, like we say, we keep a couple of stand-up arcades like Pac-Man and stuff for people that are intimidated by pinball. Bubble hockey may serve that purpose, air hockey. Or the big buck hunter. Big buck hunter, any kind of shooter, people know what to do. You look at a basketball game, you know what to do. So this is a great way to get different folks into your establishment. it um so kudos to them kudos to pop a shot thank you maybe they also get a cheese board absolutely yeah i vote for that yeah so it's already paid for itself and i am stoked um and that's another thing i want to talk about the the build quality this thing is very well made yeah you got you got to put it all together so like it took us a while but we had a good time with it. But man, this thing really holds up to a lot of play. Yeah. Okay. Are you ready for 2025 overall? When you were doing this, you kept making sounds going, ooh, ah. And I kept asking, what's going on? And you're like, oh, I don't want to tell you because I don't want to ruin the surprises. I love data. I was very excited by these numbers. So anything, there's obviously games that would have been much more popular had they not come out in the second half of the year. So these are all games that have been out, well, most likely they've been out for the whole year. So in 10th place, Medieval Madness. Oh, nice. I thought that was nice to see. That was interesting to see that game on a top 10 list. because it's not in the top 10 like every month, but I think it's just consistently a fairly high earner. It's recognizable. People like it. Makes sense. Number nine, Stranger Things. So for the whole year, the number eight top earner, John Wick. And Insider Connected made a difference with that game. Like everybody wanted to get these badges and the Get the contracts. Limited contracts. That's the way to go. Making something time-sensitive matters. Yes. So I have some things to talk about that after this as well. Oh, cool. Number seven, Pulp Fiction. Number six, Jaws. And number five, Big Buck Hunter Reloaded. Shooters are very popular. Number four, Evil Dead. number three dungeons and dragons one of my personal favorites yeah number two metallica remastered isn't that surprising yeah i was really surprised by that but that game it you know it is a consistently high earner and number one you know what this is everybody that listens to this podcast knows what this is. Is it Godzilla? It is Godzilla. That's amazing. Wow. Yeah. So Elwin has three out of the top ten earners for the year. He's making the best games. Unquestionably. Keith Elwin is the goat. He was just the goat pinball player. Now he's the goat pinball maker. He's the goat person. He's a great guy. Yeah, I enjoy the goat calves, goat calves, well known for impossibly large calves must help you make pinball machines. He's doing it up. And also, we can't overlook the team behind, of course, games. He gets all the credit. yeah everything our godzilla has a little over 75 000 plays on it and there have been no there have been zero major issues with that game yes we had a weld break inside the building that's one of the mechs we've had to take out and and have welded and put back in the building but that game just works all the time and it that building you know with the with the screw jack mechanism and all that always works we don't have any issues with it it's not like the doctor who elevator thing oh god the finger chopper but uh great job on that machine and and i think that's gonna last another hundred thousand plays yeah you like the area around the flipper button is completely worn away. But that's it. I put stuff over the top of that. Yeah, now you can't even tell. Yeah, fantastic. That was really cool. 2025. 2025. Now do you want to hear the worst earning games? Oh, I didn't even know you had more. Yeah, so I have the worst, the bottom five. And as I was saying earlier, it's consistent. And I wanted to be sure that I only included games that were on the floor really for the entirety of the year. If they sat out a month, it wasn't fair. So the fifth worst earner of 2025, again, not including classics, don't keep track of those, Aerosmith. It's the only one on location in the state, as far as I know. Still, nobody is craving to play. When out-of-town folks come, they want to play it once or twice to get the achievements. That game is not. Might be time to rotate that thing out. I think it could be. Or if they could just fix the font so that I could see a score like that would really go a long way. Yeah. Not only fix the font. That thing is always ever since we got it. The optos in the box. Yeah. They require a lot of maintenance. Fidgeting. Yeah. Number four. This kind of surprises me. Whirlwind. People play Whirlwind a lot But you know it's only 75 cents So that goes into it Number three Congo When I say three It is third from the bottom Okay That kind of surprises me Because that is a Well I think maybe you have to be a pinhead To really understand It's not a theme that's going to stand out to people But people who know pinball which there are a lot of at the electric bat just don't gravitate towards congo now recently in the past couple of months you've switched it from dollar per game to 75 cents what have you noticed that has helped okay so the earnings are going up a little bit or at least staying the same so more people are playing it um yeah and i think that that may have been part of it i don't know It's just a beautiful Congo. Yeah, it's gorgeous. Absolutely amazing. Not blown out or nothing. Number two, this one surprised me also. No Fear. I think that's a fun game. That is a Steve Ritchie classic. Yeah, I mean, you like that fast flow? No Fear is a great game. I mean, it very much smacks of our high school years. It's got that feel, that Stussy. It makes me want to pull out my No Fear hoodie. I'm just kidding. I never had that. Did you have a no-fear hoodie? No, I didn't. But I did have one that said fresh in puffy paint. Like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. No, just fresh. That's all. Yeah, but I like. Wow. You're fresh. Okay. The worst earning game out of the entire year was, as you said earlier, Johnny Mnemonic. Okay. Did you know that? No. You just guessed that it was. Yeah. And Johnny Mnemonic is such a good game. God, it's good. It's such a fun game. our hand works i mean every like it's a great game why do people not know so i think that out of these aerosmith is the only game on the bottom five that i agree with taste wise if i was putting money into games at an arcade i would play johnny mnemonic no fear congo and whirlwind yeah all day long right those are great games so there you go that uh the only other game that was consistently in the bottom that just didn't happen to make this list was tales from the crypt that game um does not earn well yeah but we love that game it's a cool game i mean that was like kind of like one of your grail games and then you finally found it i've had it twice now yeah yeah um i love tales from the crypt the show i love the feel of it. And in our arcade, it fits so well, it does not make money. So we may end up, if anyone is looking for a Nice Tales from the Crypt, hit me up. It may go out whenever we need to put something new in. So here's one more earnings thing that I will talk about. Avengers. hmm a certain someone we know named kale hernandez okay had his own insider connected badge for avengers so we wanted to know how is this going to affect earnings but let's uh our friend at stern ben he set this all up yes and he uh he he before it was deployed he actually told us about his idea and and what he wanted to do i was like man this is this is so cool what a grand idea in a way to bring the common people into Stern Insider Connected. Yes, this is such a good idea. I hope they do it. Right. They did badges for all kind of folks. Yes. And you know what? I had one ready to go, and I just didn't send it in, and I'm so sad because I had a really good Black Knight score, and I wanted to have a Black Knight badge. Well, I tell you what, I think. So run it again, Ben. I want to submit. I want a Rachel badge. It was funny is your score was so good you couldn't even get your own badge. Can I tell you about getting my score? I do not understand the rules to most pinball machines. Let's be honest here. But there are very complicated rules in Avengers, and it's very interesting. I have to get Serge to explain. Definitely warrants a Pin Pals episode. I have to get him to explain everything to me. but I was repairing Avengers one day. There was something simple and I fixed it. So I put the machine back together and I was like, let me play a few test balls, right? So I start playing and after my first ball, I was like, man, that's a pretty damn good score. So I logged in and then I finished out my game and then I had this like really great score and I was like, oh, I'm going to send this to Ben. You know, this can be my badge. So people think I know what I'm doing when I play pinball. So that's how I ended up with that score. I don't think I've ever gotten a score that high. And I've talked to so many people who repair machines. And there's something about when you're playing like a test ball after a repair. Yeah, you're just trying to like. You're just like, there's no stress. You just mess around. You're like, holy crap, look at my score. Isn't that weird? It always happens. There's a lot of mental aspects to playing pinball. So if they would just let me work on every machine I'm about to play at a tournament, I'll win. You get into like this I don't care kind of flow state and it's low pressure. Anyway, you have some – I've got some data. You've got some data. So all of the people that came to the bat to try and earn the Cale Hernandez Avengers badge made the earnings go up by 50%. Holy shit. It earned 50% more in December, a little more than 52% in December than it did in November. And November was pretty consistent with how it had been performing. So it made both that there were badges for people to get. So I imagine that made them go up all over every arcade, but particularly at our arcade where everyone wanted to collect the Cale Hernandez. So great idea, Ben. Please more. That earned us several hundred more dollars. Yes. So, and Avengers, yeah. Like you said, Avengers is not a game that people understand. So I think that's what contributes to it being a particularly low earner, especially for an Elwynn game. But it's, you know, it was sitting at, you know, it was in number 46 in November, and then it went up to number 37. in november in december from that so it made it jump a bunch of spots but i think it's making people learn the game because they want to beat your score so now what we've got to do is get a pin pals episode with you and surge explaining what in the world am i supposed to do with avengers right aside from starting thor multiball um which isn't very lucrative unless you stack it with like some portal locks. I mean, y'all are going to have to explain that to me. We'll get into it. So now I'm hoping that people kind of accidentally learned when they were trying to get your badge and that that will reflect, that that earnings will carry forward. Right. Cool. We'll let you know. And I'd love to hear from other operators how these badges affected their earnings. Yeah. Let's hear it. Yeah, that's it. That's what I got. Right on. I think that was very interesting. We had two months and then 2025. Yeah. It's so much fun for me to put together this data. I love looking at it. So if you have any data requests, if there's any games that you want to track over time, any questions that you have about data, shoot them our way at electricbatarcade at gmail.com or join our Discord and put it in the Batcast channel. Good deal. Thank you so much for all that hard work. I think we're about – I know you're going to do Mystery Hunt. Yes. Today starts the MIT Mystery Hunt. And I'm probably going to get a chance to take a day off and play Ark Raiders. I'm going to have to message my friend Kenny on Discord. One of us is going to need to go to the arcade and do some work, and I am doing the MIT Mystery Hunt. Right on. Thank you all for joining us. Stay tuned for some more good fun from the Electric Batcast. Soon we'll have January earnings. Yes, very soon. We'll be back on track after the holidays. Yeah, and soon we'll have some new games that we get to talk about. Apparently Pokemon. Beetlejuice. And then Beetlejuice. Super stoked about both of those. We know Beetlejuice is coming. We think Pokemon's coming. Yeah. Good deal. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you next time on the Electric Batcast. Peace. Oh, bats out. Oh, bats out. I forgot. Bats out. see you later guys bye bye