INDISC 2019 - Main Playoffs - Finals

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TL;DR

INDISC 2019 finals gameplay coverage with strategic analysis of Cheetah and Monster Bash competition.

Summary

Coverage of the INDISC 2019 main division finals, a four-player pinball tournament competition featuring games Cheetah and Monster Bash. The video captures competitive gameplay analysis, rule explanations, and strategic commentary from experienced players and hosts discussing shot sequences, bonus systems, and scoring mechanics. Adam McKinney emerges with a significant lead after Game 1 on Cheetah, while players navigate complex rulesets and conditional scoring on both machines.

Key Claims

Cheetah is set up with single cash-out of the 500k bonus once per ball
high confidence · Host discusses setup specifics during Game 1 analysis on Cheetah
Top qualifying score on Cheetah was Phil Birnbaum at 3.3 million
high confidence · Announced during Game 1 final score discussion
Monster Bash spinner is worth approximately 1 million to 1.5 million points per shot
high confidence · Bowen Kerins explaining Monster Bash strategy before Game 2
Monster Bash moshpit multiball is typically worth around 20 million points
high confidence · Bowen Kerins strategy explanation for Game 2
Adam McKinney finished Game 1 (Cheetah) with 2.38 million points and first place
high confidence · Final score announcement at end of Game 1
Players are scoring better overall on Cheetah than on Monster Bash in this tournament
medium confidence · Host observation during Game 2, noting faster drains on Monster Bash
The Scorebit system was used at this tournament to automatically read and display scores live
high confidence · Host explains Scorebit utility at start of Game 1
Color DMD supports 80+ machines with colorized display upgrades
high confidence · Commercial/informational segment during tournament coverage

Notable Quotes

“I think we're gonna see somebody hit two million on this game”
Host/Analyst @ Early Game 1 analysis — Prediction about scoring on Cheetah; later verified when multiple players exceed this threshold
“I honestly when I played this in qualifying I got my bonus maxed and I waited and waited and was super patient collected my 500k once and then after that I literally didn't know what to do”
Bowen Kerins @ Game 1 Cheetah discussion — Illustrates the unique single-cashout bonus mechanic that creates scoring plateau on Cheetah
“I always go for this Center just because everything else scares me and can lead to you getting nothing if you don't execute everything”
Bowen Kerins @ Game 2 Monster Bash strategy — Explains conservative vs. aggressive strategy choice on Monster Bash, emphasizing risk/reward
“I would expect him to try to finish the 4 to 5 and maybe collect bonus to the lower value to try and insure him to pass Dom for third”
Host/Analyst @ Game 1 Colin's ball analysis — Strategic prediction showing tournament scoring context and placement implications
“I don't understand its magic how how they would go through all of that and make it even work”
Host @ Color DMD segment — Expresses amazement at Color DMD colorization technology across 80+ machines

Entities

Adam McKinneypersonJim Bell SedopersonDominic KasichpersonColinperson Bowen KerinspersonPhil BirnbaumpersonDerek PricepersonINDISC 2019eventCheetahgame

Signals

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event_signal: INDISC 2019 main division finals tournament in Southern California (Inland Empire region) featuring four-player competition across multiple pinball machines
high · Comprehensive video coverage of finals gameplay, game selection process, and scoring progression
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technology_signal: Scorebit connected leaderboard and scoring system deployed at INDISC 2019 for real-time score capture and display
high · Host explanation: 'the score bridge is also gonna read and update those scores live on the screen for you'
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technology_signal: Color DMD colorized display replacements showcased at tournament, supporting 80+ machines including Baywatch, Frankenstein, and Monster Bash
high · Dedicated segment discussing Color DMD technology and its capabilities for retrofitting classic games
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gameplay_signal: Cheetah playing higher scores than Monster Bash at this tournament; players scoring 2-3+ million on Cheetah, faster drains on Monster Bash
medium · Host observation: 'we are actually seeing a situation where players are scoring better on cheetah then on Monster Bash'
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competitive_signal: Game 1 (Cheetah) results: Adam McKinney first (2.38M), Jim Bell Sedo second, Colin third, Dominic Kasich fourth; Phil Birnbaum had top qualifying score at 3.3M
high · Announced final scores and placement results at end of Game 1
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Topics

Tournament competition and formatprimaryPinball machine rules and mechanics (Cheetah and Monster Bash)primaryStrategic gameplay and shot selectionprimaryScoring systems and bonus mechanicsprimaryPlayer skill and competitive performanceprimaryScorebit connected scoring technologysecondaryColor DMD display upgrades and colorizationsecondarySouthern California pinball communitymentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Tournament coverage conveys enthusiasm for competitive play, appreciation for game design and mechanics, and excitement about player performances. Some frustration expressed about game drains and difficulty, but overall tone is engaging and positive about the competitive event and technology showcased (Scorebit, Color DMD).

Transcript

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[Music] Oh [Music] oh what a lot come whether oh it's credible save his form in life right here on ball three Oh Cheeta I'm so bummed I didn't get to play this in the my first round because it was down and I I think Dominic might have chosen if it was working and yeah Jim deferred chose to play six position then Dominic has a choice Derek price walking out with his B division plaque this is one of the one of the games that was set up with the score bit score bit little utility that's just amazing so at any point here we can we can read the scores ourselves but the score bridge is also gonna read and update those scores live on the screen for you player one will be dominant Kasich and he's from st. Louis Missouri area and McKinney will player two he's also from Missouri so they've surely played each other a lot before Colin from Portland Oregon and Jim Bell sido from California all right what do you guys think of those predictive score is on score bit yeah I think that that you know the over/under is pretty good for Jim to win here no I think I think we're gonna see somebody hit two million on this game I think so I got I think I this game is playing so friendly look at all that rubber and that left and right side you can bounce it bounce it out then amazing fender washer mod what's that there's a fender washer on the lane guide Oh two bonus advances there is that to make it smoother or something a lot of the action here at the beginning game was to complete one two three four five up the middle huh I always though get some of those letters for free by the inlanes and the left lane right and the left lane also spots a number the left lane ends up being pretty important to scoring Wow hard to tell where that was a bounce just a bounce over or deliver a little mini flip but whatever it is it looked good and he got control okay that's what it's just every time the ball hits that flipper it bounces yep man if that spinner was lit I want to claim for bonus and bonus multiplier there are multiple ways to get the multipliers it may it looks like oh whoa that's how I died most every time is that right slingshot the upper right slingshot to the left left out lane yeah this game you really just want to shoot those drops on the right they're the highest value proposition because they give you bonus advance and bonus X you're doing with the O's here yeah so that is what was especially interesting to me about seeing dominating shoot the spinner is that he can get the VAT at the same value that spinner would give from those targets well I think I think it was going for the targets I'm always it's really easy to be early on those targets cuz you know they're just you know an interesting spot good point I think I think we'll just have to see how he plays like plays it out doesn't go see if maybe we'll change how that how that happens Adam is is up here I think there are a lot of players that don't know that that that right drop target Bank does what it does yeah well like the first time I learned that was I don't remember what tournament could I watch Bray play and he did that all day as well as collect right our wits cos unlike this game which is set up for single single cash out of the bonus once per ball mm-hmm that was set on a limited bonus so was that the one at Papa Papa classics I don't I'm just keep collecting your like 500k super jackpot over and over again yeah I honestly when I played this in qualifying I I got my bonus maxed and I waited and waited and was super patient collected my 500k once and then after that I literally didn't know what to do because I I was just like I was just I don't know what do you do you shoot those mystery drops up in the top right that give a bunch of bingo Awards and then you cry for there were no more no more no one else to conquer read as they say I like that decision - I like I like passing it by that bad top flipper no you can sweep one sweep by with it you tend to put the ball out of control more than more than helpful I think Levy was given me and you know giving me the the business but what was it if put where I would hold up the flipper and every time it would come scarily close down the middle and he's like just flip the things like I don't know levy I'm here in your I know all of us all right so Adam seems pretty comfortable on the game just getting value out of any of those inlanes the right targets now are lit for maxing out the bonus and getting multipliers what is that what happens on the right if you go into that says special one lit maybe okay I think 200,000 and bonus coming here that will put him into the lead 400 solid ball yeah so Dominick and Adam pretty much an equal footing there isn't any real carryover stuff that comes from ball to ball on this game so you can just think you're by the score don't yours do your Center award stay or no those are set - yeah so how do you what do you do when you step up for plunge here cuz I found like if you thumb assist you can sometimes on the bounce back sweep the bank leave the bank that's I want well I want that funds to be as hard as possible yeah same on warlock if you punch hard you can pick off some of the one some of the oh yeah targets yeah but here yeah sweeping nice sweep those top targets wonderful alright whenever the ball is in that area I'm just constantly shaking it I don't even I you know cuz I feel like doing something improves your odds over not doing anything if you get about you want to get it bouncing yeah more momentum get that more of a chance to go wherever the heck it can and that's okay my only problem with the thumb assist on this is the plunger seemed to be longer than my thumb Jim that's just the era gentleman Jim Jim's just gonna go to town here we shall see there's still plenty in it for everybody right now yeah as you said not much carries over so every balls I guess the only carryover is the fact that you only get one super jackpot for a ball so you know if somebody gets it every ball that's a pretty big advantage almost gets the bonus X target so he does does that's 2x and he's gonna shoot the left lane is it gonna try to post transfer it's gonna go for the drop targets like I like trying to advance one through five here but you can use the left lane to do it right and sometimes it'll give you some more money on the inlanes oh I didn't even know that was a shot oh right their control is a thousands of spin in that in that that spinner so oh you're right it's the right spinner is also a thousand that's been just the entire game and then went slow it could be 3000 spin nice save the back spin oh wow I usually don't see those lower slingshots kill you like this but that was right right out the 2x helps though yeah right in everyone pretty much in the same ballpark nobody got there collect bonus from the left to do good to keep your multiplier sorry I forgot about that earlier so really is Dominic 13 starting the ball he's got 2x already and play friendly yes that look that look maybe dead passable but it's always scary on some of these flippers - all right every time you finish one through five you get some award and the awards include lighting the collect bonus on the Left flame maxing the bonus and eventually extra ball and special which don't mean anything in this context extra balls are on and playable when I do aim nice but it's one extra ball per game oh wow good patience there nice get some more drop targets almost picks up the last one ah-ha good attempt again clearly knows what's going forward oh wow right Cooper Center drain that was yeah I think get a bunch of a kick off that top target and it's gonna be five hundred and ninety five thousand for Colin Dominic Kasich sorry looks like we've got the strobing scores mod on this cheetah the speed of video versus the speed of of transistor digit display effects I think Carl setup has 60 FPS which is very very pretty that's a lot of PS I know I'm just kind of relaxing a little bit before his play he also has two exponents carry over and he has already first one two three out of the twenty three four five and so the ways to get that you can hit the target directly you can also hit the inlanes and the in Lane will spot one of those numbers he also hit this shot through the left orbit and that will that will spot a number as well so there are several ways to get numbers I'm also been told that hitting it into this this scoop on the right side spots a number all right create a time to make your decision and think like that oh that's cool those good value the drop catch that turned into a drop pass sort of so the first time you complete those that doesn't give you a bonus multiplier you have to you have to complete them a second time that's right or you do that nice and then set yourself up almost for the next one this is gonna make the bonus value important here forgot for Adam I had a lot of that going on or it sort of rattles if you don't nail it oh look at that he picked up 4x bonus from that bounce nice all right sees one more target he's gonna go for thanks why not just get it that way they've been coming yeah what those targets are not going to be worth very much there if you get them all on the same line like horizontally you get you get good value or war specials but for the most part that three bank and the far back is not useful so 5x lights not working it's flaky he's at 5 X 70 or 5 X 80 at this point I think oh there now they're all lit up 5 X hundreds super jackpot he has to light it though he needs 5 4 & 5 so I would probably just backhand the four here I don't or try a post transfer I like though this is I like your choice there that's gonna give him the floor as well so no it's 5 only and it's almost bounced into the 5 there look out nice fives very back handle right you still go for the back end definitely the easiest to get 4 back well what's nice is actually if you go for the left lane and you do the halfway up and half down it'll light yep just like it is there it is there's the full count down a payoff of 507 yeah does it collect on the way down yeah so what happened there was he went up through to get the 5 to light the collect bonus and then back down again to score the 500000 right as I was saying it it happened that was that was that was awesome good and good prediction yeah he's gonna get that 500 again at the end of this ball he doesn't tell so this is this is your part where you just say well I don't even know what to do anymore I've done done all there is pretty mean I guess to go for an extra ball which ya which is off of the 1 2 3 4 5 yeah and there's another extra ball that I don't know how you get but there was a couple times in qualifying where I finished my game put up my hand and then it was flashing shoot again so there must be multiple ways to get them Wow see I guess go for the fire or the left lane looks like he's going left lane because he's see how he's got that left we're up already downside of going with a five right now is that the current five is advanced bonus to the top right now so if he hangs on to that until well sits there now because he's chuckle like well the question is does that reset each ball because if it does then there's no you know it doesn't really matter if it stays then yeah he misses out on an easy hundred K next ball mm-hmm think it did before I did before a 2 X I found on Darren's have a weirdness about like which multipliers are willing to let you carry in which they're not sometimes they go back to like half value he's also got the three bank in the back now lit for three lineups oh if he gets that last star up there last star in one of the rows I think it's light spinner is special or something oh boy I don't know I'm sorry it's a we've exhausted her knowledge yeah I've didn't get it got a third one there but you do get some good points for getting two out of three of the same lineup all there by Adam Kinney who got two point three eight million coming out of this and he has a big lead Oh said somebody get two million yeah how many will get two million is now the operative operating question so the top qualifying score was Phil Birnbaum at 3.3 Wow and then this guy beside being put up 3.1 yeah this was surprisingly my go-to game the whole tournament I never had a had a bad game on it which I would have never thought coming into the tournament that this would be my favorite whereas mousing around which it was my favorite going in became my least favorite just because the way it was set up yeah I was pretty happy salvaging like four or five million on it when a couple of different games nope see there's another yeah those targets are always later than you think they're kind of like like Walking Dead targets and they don't look like they should be that late for where they're positioned right is they're pretty far for play field like they can't be that far over a wide body roll take the hands what's nice is because of the the way does the angle those targets are positioned you almost don't need to aim for any particular one you just sort of throw it in that area and whatever ones you have left usually get hit somehow just because the momentum of the ball mmm I really like that about classics turns in general oh my goodness who's that from the basic killing the power sling it out and hit one of the bumpers the bumper kicked it like above the top of the near the top of the left sling like this there was nothing to be done about that unfortunately Colin stared out after a few seconds gonna like what I mean outlanes on this game are actually worth a lot of points it's 25k plus advanced three bonus and thirty thousand I think I mean that's what it says twenty-five thousand advanced bonus 30,000 so it's three bonuses they said three bonus advanced Oh 25,000 so what's that that's either 55 well they said 55,000 but with a multiplier could be even more or if you've maxed out the bonus six it's useless useless yeah we are in the first game of the four player final here at in disc it never drains in Southern California but these four players are draining eventually you know very well we've got Adam McKinney from we're from from Missouri at two point three million with a significant lead Jim Bell Sedo player four here's up on ball two the first game of three game filing starts with 3x carried over from ball one oh nice a great save and he somehow knew that it was right to left flip right you know a lot of people might have done left to right because it was sort of coming towards the left flipper but the angle you know it actually tipped off the right hoping for some pop action here has any player tried not flipping the upper flipper I feel like it would go right to your right flipper but it also looks really scary yeah I I did I did see how to do that on this ball this ball one backhand I like it I like that choice because it generally was rolling to the right flipper yeah you're right though it's not it's not that reliable okay it's kind of caring a little bit bouncing off of it yeah you kind of got it you know you got to hold it up and then depending on the speed you sort of let go at the right time kind of like a skate ball ejector some more all right so Jim completed the drop three drop targets in correct sequence nice whatever that's worth he just got it I think someone in chat was saying two of their lanes light spinners one of them lights an extra ball and all them lights a special maybe the top one lights is special because it's red but boy we're just I'm sorry I don't mean I guess yeah maybe thanks st pimble the red stars look special on the kicker so the special on the upper-right kicker here okay is now lit because he completed the three Reds special earth 50k hundred k0k yes one of those has that extra ball there on the the rights the right drop furnace I don't know but as I said in in practice a bunch of the extra ball lights are out so you got to be really careful you're not plunging someone else's ball you have to make sure your score is flashing like this and it's ball three now so definitely Dominic Kasich taking over he is just slightly in the fourth place right now you need some more that's it that's trouble ball here okay oh boy I just the house ball and makes good use of it by hitting the targets oh nice oh boy he's gonna bump it over get that last drop target yep and then gain control again maybe pick off the five he was going for it I probably would have tipped that one up just held up a flicker there all right that's just the trough choices now I'm not going out oh no so I think he might be the 200,000 in bonus coming here so he'll be done at 886 and Colin at six hundred twenty thousand still has some work to do to to take that but the best Dominic can do in this game is third be a hard luck loss to take fourth place with 800,000 on jitta it's it's pretty some players will quickly get like two to three hundred thousand games sometimes we are in the finals of in discs that's right Final Four deserve it yeah so 5x is carried over lakes just flaky on a lower play field but you can see a lid on the pot play field good point there and Adam with two million in the can five exponents if he can get himself back up to a max bonus he's got another 500,000 there and a left lane is lit for collecting that bonus she should try to stay away from if you can that's kind of weird so the bonus play phase the collect stays lit yeah cuz the collect lights from getting the [ __ ] did 20k times 5 so hunter K I mean it's something right boys can't take it with you if you drain like I guess you get one X of one of them so now extra ball or special is lit on the out lane all right that's still a solid game you know that's a 3.3 supremely close to 7 7 4 she sounds a good score of I had a nice job Colin this interesting of Colin because he has a lot to work work across he has to get 886 and I would expect him to try to finish the 4 to 5 and maybe collect bonus to the lower value to try and insure him to pass Dom for third and just avoid the 0 there's that there just through through oh he's got only two exponents you have to make some make some bonus advances here those drops are the way to go each drop on the right side oh that is a beautiful fee that's working fine look what he made him you wouldn't think that that feed works but it looks like it's pretty darn it works great until it don't know alright so if you can pick off this target there we go and now I figure another yeah if he gets one we're going to say advance he's good yeah 673 well cuz the bonus advance will also give him some bonus if he hits those right targets oh thanks beautiful there's 200,000 by not 100,000 always giving bonus X right you are totally right sorry yeah I'm also just rounding in my head in in whatever way for precise science to it there it is so he's got 270 times three two hundred ten thousand and bonus will take him over the top for past Dom but there's now now he's got a new focus which is just well first focus is to have had his lead a little bit up no that's not gonna do it and he will not have enough to catch Tim here so Jim has a second place secure and he has a long chase to go to try to get first but you know that's exactly what he's got to get last place with a hundred K yeah third place with a million Dom getting one getting no points here for fourth place Colin will get one for third we are in a 4 to 1 0 3 player 3 game final at in disc 2019 Jim Bell sido from very a California and the that part of the Inland Empire is that how is that how it works and this is that like the Outland empire would I don't know so many different areas in Southern California Wow Jim taking a flip with that maybe he was going after the three yeah he likes those dress target for it he's gotta get he's got he's gonna need to get a max bonus collect here probably see he's kind of playing house money here right he's he's got nothing to do except win so he can you know take all the chances he needs because tilt if you have to nothing's gonna go wrong and going for the for the five is probably the right call here that gives the four that is that's the first one I've seen go around alright and drops on the right will give advance bonus yep you can loop that five or shoot court directly or bounce into it randomly that was beautiful oh yeah wow it kind of sunk a little bit it's not gravity that crank time yeah but the crappy crank Adam McKinney wins on the basis of his used to the gravity gun end of player force ball three Adam has four four points at the end of Game one given bail Seto with two Colin with one and Dominic with zero and welcome again to the main division finals of a 2019 in disc sponsored by color DMD and I've seen Cody md's not on cheetah but on many of the games here including the spectacular Baywatch the new color DMD ex LEDs a replacement for large format color display support those games the one to 192 by 64 resolution such as Baywatch and Frankenstein and you can see more about this at color DMD dot-com along with support for 80 plus other machines that color DMD supports yeah I thought like I love the look here we've done it [Music] [Applause] that's a still oh I have a hard time believing that the color DMD project was even possible like I don't understand its magic how how they would go through all of that and and make it even work they have to know every single screen that can show up like secret mania yeah everything every yeah and it's all colorized so like like the I want my favorite little artifacts and games on Star Trek next gentleman command decision and pull the gun it shows like this background of futuristic San Francisco and then it converts into like we driving with a big doho on the side and sure enough and Cole DMD it's just wow it's all there did they colorize poker oh yeah yeah the colors yes and poker and we're gonna see the colorization here of monster bash game two of the three game final here at in disc the chat asked what the what the games were going to be the next game we don't actually know that because the players control its so the hi see Jim can choose a game any game they hasn't picked throughout the rest of tournament or he could pass that decision to another player in this case it looks as though he passed that decision to maybe it all the way down to Colin and Colin is player one here on monster backs with Adam McKinney as player to Dominic as player three and Jim as player 4 I'd look bounced therefore Colin too quick and the ball one so Raymond how do you step up to you you're eating and I'm asking you questions Bowen we've talked about how you step up to the speed still you still like spinner I very much like to get a good establishing score on this game through moshpit multiball and to do that you must shoot the spinner here six times every shot through that spinner is also worth about a million to a million and a half so you'll automatically beat someone who just tanks completely by just shooting that spinner then the multiball itself is typically worth around 20 million points and it's just it's just a a piece that a lot of people don't tend to go for furthermore if you if you lights that moshpit multiball early you can then bring in monsters - it's a it's ball one and moshpit is ready bringing creature bringing Wolfman bring in anything that you would normally bring in - Frankenstein and have moshpit also give you those progress the progress towards those monsters yeah that's basically exactly what I was what I would say I always go for this Center just because everything else scares me and can lead to you getting nothing if you don't execute everything whereas mosh pit dear oh my goodness well Adam is practicing what he did in the semi-final which is to start with a huge lead in the group and then drain the first ball with no other switch you know that can happen on this out of the Pops you gotta give it a little whack or something because it can catch Dracula's toe yeah he'll kick it down there yeah I left out my left Ellen or in that case it came too far to the right and hit the right sling yeah and then I put it out of control bounced over I've been giving it a little yeah a little wall wall pushed off the right this is right about now oh yeah the cats that sling and fortunate for dama they worked out but it might not have he's going to backhand Frankenstein to make sure he has that available Tim by the end of the game all right see this is where I like moshpit instead because I need just about as many shots to do too late late and start Frankenstein as I do start moshpit but downside is like you're saying yeah so monster yeah and you have to get Frank if you want to get monsters of rock or yeah it's the rest Mon you can grind out mosh pit for good value though just from getting jackpots and can also give you a feel for the game if you just need haven't played it yet and you need shots during multiball that's a that's a specially good observation I think for all competitive play but in this format where some players enter being taking the games that they didn't play at all three fall oh my goodness he still had a chance to save that kind of kind of wandered he can haven't taken a danger so there isn't even very much bonus so why not try it's alright but it wants to frustrate and have that kick that kick over there same thing though some of that is coming from the game knowledge yeah it's very useful on especially monster bash and tech from ours where to get to a multiball you only have to learn one shot so it's easier to adjust you know early or late on one shot over and over again and then once you're in multiball you can start trying different shots it's like Jim is waiting just a just a little bit having a drink of water it's a little DP dr. 2019 in disc is not sponsored by Dr Pepper yet but if they if they want to call you know I'm sure they take it I always want to hold the left flipper down on the plunge but I know that doesn't it's so good if there was if there was that that there is a control gate up there so sorry sorry can you do that I know the regular skill so it's pretty pretty valuable yeah spear gun spear let me guess that can be used in creature correct alright so we're gonna play a two ball game a monster bash far anyone shooting the spinner once would have it in the lead and that is why you're saying to do it yeah I mean it looked like the only person that really had an opportunity was maybe Dom I think everyone else basically never got it under control into a couple of Frank a couple of 'its and yeah yeah there you got a left left orbit for Wolfman and then it and it did the same thing it's been doing everybody which is yes off the right sling there's rubber over there so this kick out here where it comes over he got it you got it oh jeez where you're going into the sling and sometimes you're going in the sling anyway how it left flipper mosh pit that was weird oh so that's the other thing though it doesn't feed back to your flipper it feeds sort of around the loop so you got a right here how to handle that and handling that spinner we talked about this in the very first round today when when monster bass came up there's there's three usual ways want us to fly the ball the way and try to try to push it up bribed RAM which as a combo is really super sweet if you can pull that off but usually you can't do that if it's your first time on the machine you you won't know where it is the dead pass probably doesn't work because the slings are so sensitive you're exactly right the dead pass goes out of control and then the third way is a live catch on the left flipper which was the most effective way that I could find you could try a loop pass but I think the angle and it's trickier and scarier yes you are you and some others you guys look pass all you want I stay away from that dangerous stuff not something in a tournament or just not something you do just I will try it I feel like it's it's pretty safe if the flipper rubbers have any sort of grip or bounce it's when you find games with like dead flipper rubbers where it just you drain and it just looks awful you're like wow why did I do that Metallica super skill shot on tournament mode is the reason I blew past nice he's got a garlic clove he's got a garlic clove oh that must be oh dear records and he got a fortunate bounce out of the bumpers to go right that was okay and he was then going for that spinner has anyone thought about doing is the creature all day strategy at this point it might be a good idea I mean moshpit still is like 500k a shot so maybe that's still the best I think Dominic's look at this going hey maybe maybe some more loops yeah well man let's finish off a wolf man I don't know if he has a bonus No look at that was it good - got that he had a good feed there and a nice control flow boy Frank it's fun Torian this is the final four uh yeah so we're actually seeing a situation where players are scoring better on cheetah then on Monster Bash [Laughter] what a lot of beef yes we are we are in the final four game two of three the main division of the 2019 in this sponsored by color BM beef yeah the drains have been coming in too quick and painful Dominick there looks like he's still intent on trying to finish Frankenstein rather than taking say a bailout into maybe he is in the left orbit or some other some other shots he's made progress so well some cost there is also Dominic took last in the first game so he kind of needs a first to give him a chance and if he knows you know with Jim behind him just getting a couple million off a mosh pit probably won't do it that was a loop pass and a right ramp combo that was that was pretty outstanding but yeah so I think Dominic thinks the only way he can win is if he gets Frankenstein open which i think is a perfectly about you know valid way of thinking yeah I just want to point out that last flip by Jim was excellent just kind of had the ball out of control so he pushed it up slowly into the left loop and if it goes all the way around he scores the loop maybe doesn't go all the way around it's coming back to his flippers like this in a very controlled fashion half moon Jim now with three shots towards mosh pits hell 3 more to go you think he's gonna take a right ramp to mosh pit or backhand Frankenstein I think he's gonna post transfer here and shoot the spinner you win all right so you've got four million let's see how much he ends up with for 5.1 5.2 a million you're right why a million points a million points on a very fast spinner it can go for two million so that's five he's one more and he's really getting a nice catch out of that with flutter drop catch instead of a live catch there's yet a fourth way I'm trying to handle that that kick-out but most transfer is the way to go here rather than taking the right ramp we feel confident about the right ramp as he does he did the same thing again the the drop and now he's gonna try to finish off bride because it's still ball two and watch this ready oh by now alright okay so that was that was very good play the danger of course now is he gets ball three and he doesn't doesn't start mosh all right but he's already got eight million in the bank here it's it's looking like a it's a dominant score right right now and only one of those players has progress right dominate cuz progress enough to get does mosh pit if you does it keep all your progress or does it sort of only keep it if you get three well cuz you have to it three and then it resets me up to three again right to light mosh pit gifted six total six cuts and that all holds and that all okay every three every three spinner shots you also get an item okay so you'll get a garlic clove next time Colin hits a spinner he's still going for that spinner from the left flipper which it's just a baller move it's a great it's it's a great shot if you're in mosh pit and you need a grace period add a ball and you have the ball come to your left flipper I didn't like those flipper just I don't I didn't like those shot shot choices I think that you ate it once or twice but there's no reason not to just think about a simple transfer a very high percentage transfer and then a much higher percentage shot from the right flipper we could be looking at the six six one one lockout we're only Jim or Adam can win the tournament okay depending on oh I guess I'd had some work to do here to catch up you guys all the work to do because you think he has not made one towards any of the monsters fortunately but that's not that's okay yeah yeah like I was gonna say on that Center it's like when I look at that geometry it looks to me like you can hit it from both and it's an experience thing to know that you're you're probably tripling your odds by passing yeah there's a little wall on the left side beyond the the blue target that sucks your ball into the spinner if you if you're not completely accurate from the right flipper but from the left flipper if you got completely accurate you're gonna hit tomb treasure or rattle yeah lane guides are very very important and it doesn't seem like that's my god okay that was basic rule over three and we had s two point seven seven million for atom bikini on cheetah under 1 million on Worcester Bosch not not any fault is really and I'm not I would not have bet on cheetah and now which has a higher score and oh my gosh and Jim Bell Sita wins the game at 8 million points oh no did not catch up so dominate and dominant and Dominic did not catch Colin either so Colin finish the second in this game he goes to three dominant gets one to six and Adam stays in for six four three one we have as we move on to the final game an incredible walk off with under not under 10 million on monster bash for Jim Bell Seto we overshot zooms he only needed three million yeah really I don't know why he had to drive up the score like that that's that sucks how's it going gentlemen hey how are you I'm Jay hey Jay Adelson commentating to you live from banning California yeah we just we have the score bit was was here to handle both these games so far in the final of cheetah yeah what do you guys what do you think what are your opinions it was really handy and qualifying I really liked how they they didn't take they didn't have to write the score down and just popped up and it was right there yeah well we just appreciate Carl in the hole and dis ting here for letting us integrate this has been incredible and the feedback we've been getting has been fantastic so now our goal here is to get this thing in every pinball machine oh my gosh what what's your vision vision is connect them all to the Internet and then what can we do with that what what can't you do with that you know so now we're gonna focus on scores and game data but but I mean we want to be like you know the xbox live for all the rest of the world and it's interesting like that that right now we're looking at the scores but you're absolutely right like there's just so many other things in games absolutely you want to be tracking skill those people playing pinball fx3 or a pinball arcade online and they're like there are these five goals to track and you don't have them in those checkmarks yeah not every game play can be Iron Maiden you know with the with all the things spelled out for you so that's right achievement unlocked right yeah and then how about achievement unlocked free beer that's what I want to buy yeah another world down in Australia yeah they have these signs on a lot of their games especially constructed tins mm-hmm for those games it's like you get 500,000 on tried ads that's right you're gonna win this pin of the try that guy uh-huh and games all over the place you're like that creature from Black Lagoon whatever and dance so you you would then be able to on say a personal account say here are my five best accomplishments you could also games I'm gonna hook into selfie leagues match play and then you know no more taking pictures of yourself although that is fun but it is well maybe you could take a picture of yourself and not have to you know that's right yeah in fact we're already integrated with Match Play thanks to two to those guys for for doing that integration with us and cool and but Karl man the work you did to integrate into this software today was was just incredible and that's the point like what we're building is a platform and the goal with the platform is to keep it open and let developers go completely crazy of creating all sorts of things to integrate with us and having a great time like holy crap this is amazing I want to see that's right I don't know we don't pay 200 bucks to have Wi-Fi put in each game or something well that's the other thing operators have their set of features players have their set of features tournament operators have their set of features and well you know we'll release sort of the the most important components of that but we also want to publish our API and open it up so that all of these different groups can create their own and you know leaderboards is a classic example of that sure I mean we'll create the infrastructure for that but well how do you want to visualize that right so we'll let other people do that and that's that's really how things take off you know these days open source everything you provide the platform and then as long as it's easy and and people like making content it'll just sort of happen absolutely like if you if you're a fan of you know pinned ago or or or whatever it is selphie League stuff that you know in every locality people are writing why not create a bunch of infrastructure for them to write on top of and Automated Amusements you know with with the score baton which is our device that goes inside well so how are you like how are you reading the score and monster bass during multiball for example it's it was by the way years of work a whole lot of hardware design international team people from all over the world Wow Olivier Gallia's who who built the smart DMD is on our team we've just got this incredible group and and yeah I mean it's it's a lot of magic we have lots of different sources of data the DMD is one of them but we work on solid state machines as well and so we're not just doing you know DMD frames we have all sorts of data on so different platforms you've got a you've got to put in the work separately right you got to figure out how each each of them works and that's right yeah we developed different interfaces for all these different machines well this game in the final here between Dominic Kasich Adam McKinney Colin Urban and Jim Bell Seto the situation we have here is if Jim wins the game he wins the tournament outright if Adam wins the game Adam can win if Jim doesn't finish seconds and if he does there'll be a tiebreaker eight between them Colin can win he needs to win the game at get seven and get help from the other players typically dominic has to help them out quite a bit and Dominic here can get as far as second place so there so there's plenty to play for for Dominic although unfortunately he is no longer eligible to win the tournament but oh yeah look at he's calm yeah yes oh yeah oh oh have any ladies still got time to get City tried to get that for the six six way it's so beautiful would you consider trapping up to ensure your soul shard here no there's too much money on the table three million for that shot although the total here yeah you're right at this point the soul shard is worth 8 million times probably also it lights the team award stop which is 15 million yes he's gonna time it out I think he's not gonna be able to well then there goes that idea yeah unfortunately uh I don't know why but it's game and a lot of other Stern games won't leave you time stuff out Oh Triple Threat old 86 million purpose of pepra a full Icarus 78 million Icarus hahaha start by Dominic Kasich and my goodness he's on fire look at this 100 million points that is efficient Haho I believe the phrase is boom Shakalaka and hey look at that he loves the left grandpa some believe he was really smart here is that he just he knows he's very strong on the Left ramp so he's getting an organized to make left ramp shots and that's perfect all of the the ramps and loops matter the same for going to the next mode so why not take whatever is useful I had pick off that last drop target if he gets a chance oh yeah slingshot is not hyper hyper active oh he was shooting for it it looks like hello power jackpot - yeah he tried though he thought that left side yeah that left side turns into incredible danger really fast just by the shape of the shape of that area and the fact that the post on the left out lane is just completely gone yep there's no post there anywhere metals metal on the side the right side there is a post it's a metal post but it actually still does make it a little easier to get the ball out of there I think that probably is why he didn't drain when I went halfway up the inner inner loop and it went kind of over in that area and then kind of got out of that area no all right so atom player - I think the players go for the skill shot to give them a ball save and one any letter and all a million points and Jim is also really happy to see Dominic do this because it protects him quite a bit if Jim if Jim has six and Dominic wins to go to five no one else can get higher than six which means Jim just needs one point here right - to win completely so he wants Dominic to go for go for Beast thanks so much for talking to us about score bits a really wonderful project you're gonna see where it's heading Thanks I'm back welcome back sir and that was amazing that was that was that was great we seen Dominic play play our maiden earlier on the stream and he had the same quality of shooting left left and right ramps imagine if that was on the old code where the value increased by 250 K yeah good choice double danger though but buddy get in the plane he had to yeah he had to and nothing you can do a new butt shrug hey that is more progress than last time sorry yeah just gonna say the same thing about Adam Adam and Dominic played this game in the semi final group and similar thing happened yeah he plunged he plunge left out Lane oh all in here of course they were I know Adam can play this game very strongly so we haven't seen much for him in this round or the last round but there's two more balls oh yeah 356 viewers that's awesome thank you so much for joining us you have feedback for the broadcast or the commentary or anything about in disc let us know or if you like what you see pass it on we I'm so impressed with the quality of the presentation here by Karl Karl DeAngelo setting all this up and the tire team and in just setting up a facility and the event to be friendly to players almost 250 players in main almost 300 players when you add in the players to play it in the other divisions that weren't mean like the kids tournaments the women's turn him with over 50 players and champion Louise wagon Steiner who almost won classics yesterday oh my god she was amazing that was an absolute shove there by Colin great move necessary move and he's probably gonna wait a little while here I like his strategy on this game he started shooting for the captain ball but not directly at it so that it kind of grazes it goes up the left loop gives you an eddy letter and then I think he was catching it on the right flipper and doing it again now he has his mode almost lit and he has a mummy lock lit also picked up his trooper locks their smell adjacent we're doing that in the semi final and it would take some really good accuracy to hit that to graze that ball yeah and then have it still go through so the thing what I want here I want him to take the lock front him take the mummy lock so he gets the extra ball in the trooper start Oh it'll be a four vulture only if you graze it if you graze it just like he's been doing and this happened it's not Kaylee caught up this happened because he was he changed the mode by shooting the left spinner so right now the captive ball he tried to backhand that kept the ball there from the little flipper he knows the order of the shots here left ramp gives him the next piece he needs with drop targets now it was completed in one shot he needs the inner ramp no he needs the right ramp or the right loop for Hallowed oh and then the center and the center ramp to complete the whole thing center ramp will also give him an edible but I think he just took that yeah but for the multiball so time continues to tick down for hallow but this taupe 32 oh my God look at that was pretty look at that nice Center and then one more up the center for the sole card is ready boom boom - takes over first place with that move Coughlin urban outstanding and a Colin full stage jackpots Oh hit his staging is just unbelievable just totally natural look at his power jackpot it is now five million because he got a level one note take the take the 15 million for the tomb treasure as well as a sarcophagus lock here you only need three orbits for a power jackpot if if Colin wins here he has to hope that Jim Bell sido doesn't take seconds if that happens then Colin will at least have a tiebreaker at seven points and perhaps a win outright he will be know if Jim takes second Colin even if he wins won't have a chance to win yeah sorry if I phrased it wrong that was why I meant to say oh there we go well judge what detect what oh and double is also oh well he'll just take bad I guess lights us all chard it's gonna be time for super slings baby yeah DoublePlay fields oh my god wait didn't count yeah last one was thirty million points and now he's into Aces High with double play for you ha from making all those loops and ramps this is unbelievable but but he could have started super slings that's true super slings can wait sir super slings will have to wait oh my though the accuracy were seeing here oh that's a rebel I would have popped it when it was hanging hanging up on that upper rubber by the plunger lane if you give it kind of a Bop you can get it to just you know he's on two warnings so oh really oh oh but I would not I would not be getting to the ball I probably want to think that yeah right choice I wanted but he didn't get a 6x jackpot by hitting the center bull's eye which was seven and a half million Wow beautiful Oh too bad absolutely perfect move again under control there one more to stall I mean do you want to think about maybe persuade super slings here and ramping outs there seemed super slick and he's already completed spinner the he's got he's got pops and ramps and there's the multiball start hey he's not an unreasonable amount of progress towards even cyborgs at this point power pops is running four out of five powers features are either running or finished already couple of rant whoo oh no that was unfortunate wait ramp here no he needs both ramps still oh there's a ball in the sarcophagus yes no there is I'm sorry that's it yeah got a third two more that's uh yeah loop jackpot Wow that ball is moving as fast as anyone can see and Colin Urban puts up 246 million on ball one Jim's just kind of looking at that with it with his hand on his chin going yeah so to my word three would normally beat can i play with madness but on the new code and the new installs it should be plus 15 million sooner to the so a little bit of variety in the scores so far 110 million from Dominic 675 thousand for atom 247 million for Colin and Tim with zero not actual zero but double zero to plant two two zeros because because that's pinball why we start with ten with double zero and Tim boy I don't know what because then you don't have to score the mode what we do on the on the real on the e/m it's just a quarter of a wheel because it doesn't turn sure with those those games with a zero at the end or two zeros in the case of like area here those those sonic games for Mars traction oh this is a dangerous plunge Wow gets up still at zero no he can actually let it go here oh he can let it go but I don't know if there's any reason to the skillshots will be off right and he and Bucky let it go what's he gonna do plunge to get the ball on this one right yeah he's already there yeah I wonder what Street before there Heath says he should get a multiplier and start Icarus oh man and I didn't notice it was in danger till it was too far oh yeah oh that it still would have been a very difficult out and we've got hundreds of millions hundreds of thousands less vegeta yes yeah Adam hasn't beaten his cheetah score yet on either game sorry alright Adam is a finalist here at the in disc championship the main division sponsored by colour DMD and he has been playing fantastically all day coming from the number 24 seed to sweep through there's no no grace period on skill shot ball saves yeah that's brutal five seconds is five seconds yep didn't say seven seconds of balls there yeah oh boy Oh interesting so the five seconds is supposed to be added to the existing ball save which has a grace period but since there's no ball safe there is no grace period what Wow yeah oh because the the real ball saver has like some ten-second timer would only flashes for eight seconds or something like that right yeah standing standing next to us is Keith Elwin the game designer for for Iron Maiden slash Archer and fantastic game just this is this is one of the best games in several years of my opinion someone's really good yeah and just to see like like the ability for dominic and colin to break out the large score that they had in short order by very skillful play and skillful on the fly I like that trade-off we're warning players who can do it no and not just always playing the cradle up take one shot game yeah that means that out of them even though he's pretty far behind right now it's plenty of chances for him to catch gets right up five seconds are up it does have a ball on the flipper Wow oh when we get a flip oh yeah that's it fools how he started off the last ball - right on the left side oh wait don't know what happened there I think he thought it was gonna dead pass but it-it-it dead down the middle like I don't know oh yeah what that well made me find out from Adam what happened afterwards on that one but that's that's a rough rough bounce for him and he will he will need on his last ball to break at least 114 million or whatever Dominic ends up with to have a chance to win the tournament here colin is right now in a position by the scores to win outright with seven if the score is held up exactly the way they are would be seven for Colin six for Jim five for Adam oh okay okay I would go oh wow it's already on hardmode you have to do left and right ramps only yes no it's beyond the beyond the first two modes only you have to take care of everything carry your business on the Left ramp and dominate Thomas cheating left ramps like crazy I like that little upper flipper assist there alright so I am post us left yeah I guess he wants that power jackpot to collect ramp here or no okay I don't know maybe just orbits going back for a loop I don't know you might want to get the jackpot lit before he adds 15 to it yeah that's a little risky though because if you miss the left ramp you'll collect your your orb all you be completing orbits to make it to X here so when he finishes this last orbit there it is the power jackpot will be lit for two times with suppliant at 4 million so now the left ramp will make it 2 times 19 million yep if he hits 17 pop bumpers now you hit the cat he can also hit targets or pops to do this there's that right slingshots very generous I personally have I would I would I wouldn't mind shooting the left spinner here first revive spinner yep to complete the exes but take that point yeah well double play field was was one shot away not only that not only that but you get your power bump bumpers and your target so you could end up cashing huge even so you know paddling the points 238 million it's it's hard to say like yeah yeah he got 38 million there but you know he could have had yeah it's one way this game is spectacular but it's also when you're ahead usually just padding padding points is is a great decision so you're able to get all the way about almost the 300 right because if you pad enough points then it forces your opponents into the risky risky choices and make your opponent force that 4x yeah like you take the safe shot make them take the risky shot Wow safe I mean like you yeah but the rest of the execution was really very well done there to choose to finish the orbits then choose to then choose to increase the value from from well that would have been 20 million oh the oh my goodness six-six-six 666 666 thousand as we go into ball three of the final game did anybody see Jim qualify like a fellow he was dealing with fixing games like the entire weekend and making rulings and at some point he just he put it run together Jim is Jim was incredible yeah all right we've got Hallowed so he this is a really nice setup for Dom to loccs bounced bounced over or just wrap this one up that's right start Hallowed he hasn't even played true free yet because he got about a million quite a big dangers okay good he got safety there woah that was interesting it was strange was that captive ball upper flipper yeah there's the trap he should have had before and this is great start of this he's got the captive ball to hit because Hallowed is running boom he knows the order and how this is how Colin put up his score now the the right ramp left ramp a right loop for the next hallowed shots so he saved that ball that was going out with out a ball so make some progress on a ramp here or the right loop for balls in play nice oh right ramp would be good for him right here oh now that's troublesome get that out of there need any ramp or the right loop to advance hallowed be thy name which is generally gonna be one more points than the the jackpots yeah left ramp feets drop target yes I shot the middle there it was just a mistake in shot to the drops well if you turn to do from the upper flipper yeah or maybe he no yeah agree that's that makes a lot of sense all right so now he knows yes with the drop targets oh that's cool or just loop jackpot it you know I was still running but only three seconds left there's no nothing like the a big backhand the ball or ad time he could have backhanded the orb if he wanted more time oh yeah good point all right so now where are we at for Dominic he has he has one more hit 400 and you see they're both the glory and the boom boom boom oh wow somehow it just seems to accelerate before you get it fastly slowdown well no I'm gonna just go whipping around there even faster now why what a game by Dominic hundred fifty-six million on his final game that'll looks good for first second place here but Adam McKinney needs to roll all the way through right now if he wants a chance to to win the tournament he passes Dominic at 156 there's potential for a six point tie between he and Jim Bell seed oh but that would be a tie for second place it's high for third place her first place because Colin would have seven points and we went out right so his target score to win the tournament is over 300 million not over one 450 500 Jim just has to get second right he just has to be Dominic to win the tournament Jim has to be Colin right now in that oh yeah oh I'm sorry I understand we're saying yes that is correct well I guess Adam we got to wait for Adam yeah if Jim can get to eight and Adam doesn't win then Jim will win there's no one else get to eight all right control I like that good plunge now we looking at Icarus you'll need two more drop target completions there good there's locks are almost flipped now they are literally I sweep it's the top of those slings it's really difficult the thing though to me you're out what's gonna even if he starts trooper it's not really very many points by itself unless you really you know grind it out oh my knee for the left spinner might be a good choice to try and alter the mode he's got 2x stop he's got an extra 5 million just in case that doubled his score oh I hate that feed so dangerous okay I guess he's using his 2x whether he wanted to I don't know I was going for a mode here for hey Chris Chris mode surfer Icarus just kidding looks like he's gonna try to bring it Chris into tripper multiball not the greatest combo but it is nice just to have there's plenty in it especially it with the double play field that could stay on now I'll have to start start at risk by shooting the center shots yeah that was close I think he just gonna go trooper though oh you got to get it with with his targets for under million you've got to just try to ballistically stack everything in go crazy oh very well done there yes yes it was it's a great shirt reanimate her in the darkness so every time he hits a flashing orange target it'll add time to the 2x play field which is a looks thing about and his cannon award so another four balls in play now that Chris is running so making left and right ramps is worth 2 million plus right now captive ball will add time to Icarus he's trying for it for the ramps anyway 15 seconds left on the iris there's dole I wanted out luck with the balls there we go wait why isn't he shooting okay why is he coming I don't know maybe he's giving him he's written off play oh god the power jackpot is a small consolation compared to he added the trooper in the end of Icarus I did time to Icarus though oh oh yes you're right sorry there's the O Akers still running it's 2 million a shot + and he's making the decision to wait for a little while but he's gonna time out of course I don't know aw he could just I think you just take a shot settling down yeah I was at times four ah that's been the way a lot of people have drained is from taking those loops yeah good good balled up yeah yeah I know those loops sure we are super dangerous there is there's no there's no bones about it it's just like a really challenging thing to go okay so here here's our situation Colin's in the lead in the game Colin will we if Colin wins this game he goes seven points Jim Bell sido has six and if Jim catches up to Adam McKinney at about 40 million then Jim will go to seven jim catches dominic at 156 million then Jim will win so what's what's weird about this ball is it has no bearing on the outcome ha ha ha ha wait yeah you're right all right and I don't think he knew that because he was clearly trying to play it hard getting zat 300 getting nearly 300 million on the final game of the industry chip is absolutely amazing Colin Urban with the potential for winning the tournament Colin will win unless Jim catches Adam McKinney score of 39 point 4 million and Jim will Jim will win the tournament outright if he gets to 156 pounds it's definitely made things interesting he has zero progress towards anything yeah he's already got 666 so you know from here out he's clearly getting number of the beast immediately I wonder number two the Beast should be lit right now do you think he's gonna try to grind out a Icarus like just try to start the mode first priority or do you think he's gonna try to get dropped to get into the trooper I think he's gonna go for trooper the other thing that is viable here is to go for Luke that's you were diving that is just it's quick you only need one loop jackpot and then you got got that extra 15 million hanging around right so looks like he may be going for trooper so one one drop target sweeper would be outstanding for charity yeah he gets it oh why don't know dear oh dear oh dear oh my goodness pollen urban wins the 2019 in this main division sponsored by color DMV truly incredible there by Colin and I Colin wins Jim Bell Co will take second place Adam McKinney 3rd and Dominic Kasich fourth PDX with the fantastic overall performance unfortunately I think he just knocked you off the scoreboard to you yeah that's fine I had my moment so yeah that was one of the top four games I made it for the entire festival right there in the final game of the final round and that is absolutely clutch pinball that first ball that was one of the finest balls of championship pinball I've ever seen to just blast through and pull 200 million and I'm just a minute or two was spectacular Dominic or Colin because both of them right Frank - I'm gonna put throwing 100 million on the game and in a minute or so and then Colin just going yeah yeah okay yeah so we are gonna take a short break to do the awards presentation as well we'll sit here and let you know what's happening and then we're done but we're not done we now have another tournament high-stakes mistakes talked about so the top top eight players will be playing for a prize pool which was a lot larger than I thought it would be yeah yeah that's impressive I don't remember what it was but it was large and I thought it's like $1,700 for first place something like that yeah it was pretty big so we have our top eight for that is key felon number one myself number two Jason Weirich number three Jermaine Mario with the last-minute ticket at 5:30 good and forth Kaley in fifth Doug teal from Edmonton in six Dave Stewart Seattle local seventh place and funky fresh Fred Richardson eighth place Wow and they had a the high stakes division had 58 players and lots of players who tried it once and a few others have tried it several times and it built up a substantial prize pool 58 players - I know I don't think I saw anybody void without playing four games over there no with the stakes come with a stake at least that's that's what it is it's it it's not a prize pool it's a stake I'm gonna get myself ready yeah raking the broadcast for a while or you want something else on here I don't know get someone to chat through we figure things out okay Sanjay yeah Sanjay over here