Episode 1112: "Should Connected Pins Be a Thing?"

Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (Patreon feed)·podcast_episode·21m 38s·analyzed·Jul 10, 2025

Analysis

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TL;DR

Kaneda debates connected pins, praises Jaws 50th market hold, critiques X-Men launch and John Wick code changes.

Summary

Kaneda discusses connected pinball features, the Jaws 50th release and its market performance, upcoming Stern releases (Star Wars, Tron, Pokémon), X-Men's troubled launch, John Wick code updates, and criticisms of game complexity. He explores missed opportunities for multi-machine online connectivity and cooperative gameplay, argues manufacturers prioritize game quantity over depth to drive sales, and comments on summer market slowdown and production timelines across manufacturers.

Key Claims

Jaws LE machines are holding value above $14k and retaining value better than Metallica Remastered over 1.5 years
high confidence · Kaneda, direct observation of secondary market
Star Wars Episode 4-6 remake by John Borg is expected to launch in late August or early September on Spike 3
medium confidence · Kaneda citing industry rumors: 'I'm hearing more and more people say that it's most likely gonna be Star Wars Episode 4, 5, and 6'
X-Men suffered from geometry/mechanical tolerances issues and incomplete software at launch, and Jack Danger felt creatively constrained
high confidence · Kaneda: 'Getting screwed over on the X-Men code—I know that was really tough for Jack to see his creative game not get the time it needed'
Stern is refusing to distribute older John Wick code versions to players who prefer the previous version
high confidence · Kaneda: 'Now Stern is telling people, we won't give you the old software. We're not going to distribute it.'
John Wick's new code made the game easier and added too many multiballs, reducing enjoyment
high confidence · Kaneda: 'I think they added too many multiballs and I think they made the game too easy'
No mass-produced pinball machine has true cooperative or versus multi-machine online connectivity in 2025
high confidence · Kaneda: 'it is crazy that it is 2025 and we don't even have like any pinball, like any mass-produced pinball machine that's really fully connected to the internet and connecting two games to each other'
Dune has not sold out despite significant engineering and licensing investment
medium confidence · Kaneda: 'Dune's getting a lot of good word of mouth, but it definitely didn't sell out and they're making what, a thousand Dunes?'
CGC's Medieval Madness delivery timelines are opaque and unpredictable
medium confidence · Kaneda: 'The one company nobody knows what the wait time is, is CGC. I mean, people have no idea when they're getting their Merlin's Edition of Medieval Madness.'

Notable Quotes

“I think for a lot of people out there, Jaws is a dream theme. I think it's a keeper and I think it's bolted to a lot of people's floors.”
Kaneda @ early in episode — Characterizes Jaws 50th as a culturally significant release with strong emotional attachment and retention value
“I'm still on the fence about Jaws 50th. I don't hate it. I just don't love it. It's just kind of a little plain Jane looking.”
Kaneda @ early in episode — Kaneda expresses reserved personal opinion on a commercially successful game, showing critical distance from hype
“Getting screwed over on the X-Men code—I know that was really tough for Jack to see his creative game not get the time it needed.”
Kaneda @ mid-episode — Acknowledges designer frustration with incomplete product launch and time constraints on X-Men
“the fact that you can't co-op play any pinball machine is ridiculous. The fact that you couldn't have special versus modes.”
Kaneda @ mid-episode — Identifies fundamental gap in modern pinball technology despite internet connectivity availability
“I think if you owned a pinball machine and that single machine was so much fun because every night you and your friends go online and do different fun quests in your games together on the same game, you might not want to buy three to four games a year like they want you to.”
Kaneda @ mid-episode — Articulates business model theory: manufacturers may avoid deep connectivity to drive annual purchase volumes
“the reason why they don't really want to connect games and have like fun player versus player stuff happening is because I think that would add a lot of replay value and a lot of fun. And I don't think they want that.”
Kaneda @ mid-episode — Expresses skepticism about manufacturer motivations regarding connected features
“It's such a competitive space now where if you don't have a great launch, I mean this, a great launch, it's going to be rough unless your theme is a take my money now theme.”

Entities

Kanedaperson John Borgperson Jack Dangerperson Keith Elwinperson Jaws 50thgame X-Mengame

Signals

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market_signal: Jaws LE machines holding value above $14k after 1.5 years; outperforming Metallica Remastered (500 unit LE) in value retention
high · Kaneda direct observation: 'I'm looking at the Jaws LEs and they really sort of not selling anywhere south of 14k'
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product_concern: John Wick code update reduced player satisfaction; Stern refusing to distribute prior code versions to dissatisfied customers
high · Kaneda: 'People with John Wick don't like the new code that they want to go back and get the old code. Now Stern is telling people, we won't give you the old software.'
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product_concern: X-Men experienced significant quality control issues including geometry/mechanical tolerance problems and incomplete software at launch
high · Kaneda: 'the software, which just wasn't ready for prime time' and 'perfecting the geometry a little bit'
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sentiment_shift: Kaneda's enthusiasm for Predator game declining with increased visibility; skepticism about theme execution without Arnold Schwarzenegger
high · Kaneda: 'every time I see the video content of it, every time I see more of it on Facebook, I get less excited'
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design_philosophy: Kaneda advocates for simplified game rules and clear player communication over complexity; criticizes excessive rule depth and multiple multiballs
high · Kaneda: 'I think the games that do really well are the ones where you have simplicity... I think more simplicity is a good thing'

Topics

Connected/Online Pinball FeaturesprimaryGame Quality Control and Launch ReadinessprimarySecondary Market Pricing and Value RetentionprimaryUpcoming Game Releases and Production TimelinesprimaryCode Updates and Player SatisfactionprimaryGame Complexity vs. AccessibilitysecondaryManufacturer Business Models and Sales StrategiessecondarySummer Market Slowdownsecondary

Sentiment

mixed(0.45)— Kaneda is cautiously optimistic about industry direction but critical of specific execution. He praises Jaws 50th value retention and upcoming titles but expresses frustration with X-Men's troubled launch, John Wick code changes, and perceived manufacturer unwillingness to implement true connectivity. Skeptical about manufacturer motivations but engaged and enthusiastic about pinball's future.

Transcript

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