Whoa, buddy, look! I found a clue! Look! A turd! Now we're getting somewhere, Beavis. Finally, a real clue. Now why would someone put a turd in a toilet? Hmm. It just doesn't make sense. Wait a minute. Maybe someone took a dump... Ah! Dammit, Beavis, shut up. I'm sinking. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Hill Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Bruce Nightingale, here with my co-host, Ron Hallett. Hello. Co-host, huh? Yes. Because that's the way I wrote it for you. Exactly. And this is episode 224. How is everyone doing today? How are you doing, Ron? I've been better. That's why you did the intro. Yes, this is why. Only the second time I've done the intro. Oh, you did it before? I have done it before. Oh, shit. I thought that would be the gimmick of this episode. Nope. You already failed, but I knew this. He didn't even bring this up to me until literally ten minutes ago. But we have a guest, and it's one of my favorite guests of all time. Well, he's another host for us. He's a co-host. Uh-huh. Co-host. Co-host. Yes, Zach. How you doing, sir? Hi, Zach. I wanted to do the intro. Have I ever done the intro? No, you've never done it. I feel like one time one of you was missing. You can do it right now. Go ahead. It's all you. It's all you? You've got it right in front of you. It's right in front of you. Go for it. It's right on Messenger. Just put my name and your name. There you go. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Excellent. Yeah, good job. I knew you would do that. too. I know he would too. I'm surprised you didn't say, insert your name, my name. Yeah, exactly. Insert name A. I don't know if my last name has ever been said in this podcast before. I think it has. It's in the descriptions. Yeah, it's always in, yeah. It's in one of the first episodes. I guess I would never have heard it because I've never listened to my own work. Yeah, I think since then, though, I just put like, Zach joins us. Of course, Zach is Zach. I don't need a last name. Other people need a last name. There's two sacks in the pinball hobby, and we had the best one. I think there's more than two. There's more than two. No, no, no, no, no. The only two that matter. Oh. In podcasting. Oh, no. Podcasting. Yes, that's all. Okay. Yes, and we had the best one. Okay. Sorry, Mr. Manny. Hey, Mr. Manny, where's my damn topper? Wow, right off the bat, bang. Well, that's Stern's fault. They were supposed to have an Iron Maiden topper in January, and it didn't happen. Stern. get with the program. So what have you guys done in the past three weeks? So we're not going right to the big announcement? No, no, no. I just want to talk about it. It's been over three weeks, so, you know, we can talk about it. I was at a bunch of tournaments in District 82 and got really sick. I see that. I hear that. That's what happened to me last time I went to District 82. I've been there like three times before and I never got sick. and Zach? I've been fixing Jaws oh boy your brand new game yep we'll get into that later on we'll get this out I was at District 82 playing in the the winter open the winter yeah it's basically like Pinbird it's like the same format except you play three games instead of four and I felt like I did mediocre, but I made A, and then I missed out on finals by half a point. I know you did. I heard about that. I managed to avoid last the entire tournament until the last round. All the peer pressure came on you. I finished second in Indiana Jones, which is good for me. Then I finished last in Paragon, Oh. And then I finished second in Deadpool. If I had just finished third in Paragon. Or first in the other two. I would have been in. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So what was your score on Paragon then? It was bad. How bad? 46,000. Under six figures. Oh, sorry. So that's normal. Yeah, that is normal. No. The average score on Paragon is like 40,000. No, no, no. This Paragon, once I. I guess I said 46. Once I actually started playing this Paragon more, it's like one of the kindest, nicest. This is Paragon's ever. Yes. Maybe you were so tense, like you were thinking it was going to kill you, you know, that you just, you know, you were your normal flow stuff. I just sucked. You do? Well, welcome to the club. Yeah. So, the main tournament was won by Steven Bowden. Congratulations. Yes, we love our Steve. Won with bonus. And Jason Zahler finished second, and because he finished second, he, like, lost points. Oh. And he's now no longer one in the world. Now Escher Lefkoff is number one. Ouch. Like, he literally has to win every tournament he's in, or it's, like, completely worthless. Wasn't it only because, like, his previous pitch here decayed? Yeah. And he didn't match. It's not like he actually lost points because of his second. It's because he could match his previous pitch. Exactly. It sounds better when I say that. It doesn't matter if it's true. It doesn't matter if it's true. And he was on TV. Entertainment. He was on the big TV. He was on the big, what, NBC? NBC National Nightly News. All one minute of it. Yes. I guess that's it. It was actually two minutes and three seconds. It was 200 minutes and three seconds. I laughed about it. I was like, two minutes we get in pinball. Just think, that night, we had more air time than, like, you know, the Ukrainian war. So what does that tell you? So they also had other tournaments because it's District 82. So you've got a fourth one. They had a progressive 10-strike knockout. Yeah. Jermaine won that. Congratulations, Jermaine. Nice job, Jermaine. I finished. It looks like I finished 16th. Good for me. Now, I heard somebody hugged you out there. Yes. Tom Graff hugged me. So maybe Tom got you sick. It was like half a hug. It wasn't like full on a hug. Oh, okay. Well, imagine how bad you all would be if it wasn't for him. Oh, exactly. Exactly. It was a whole hug. It would be two weeks. Exactly. Three more weeks. Then they had an eight strikes tournament. Oh, God. That's so shameful. I finished 18th in that. Man, I'm consistent. Jared Eshleman won that. Okay. And then the highlight of the week of the tournament for me was the, for the people who didn't make finals, there was the split flipper tournament. And they just paired you with a random person. I don't know. They took all the higher-ranked people on one side and lower-ranked people on the other side and put them together. So I think the last time I did split flipper in an actual tournament was with you, Bruce. Yeah. We lost to the porn star. Yes, we did. Do you remember her name? No, I do not, but she was hot. Yeah, she was hot. It's the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the one who wears the yellow. Oh. What's her name? I can't remember now. Where's Raymond when we need him? He did the code. He knows all the names. Zach, do you know? It's got five letters. April. April. April O'Neil. Yes. Yeah, that's her stage name, if you will. Her and her boyfriend kicked our ass. Yeah. So, um... The age of you. Wait, so the show is non-IFPA, right? Yeah, I believe so. Yes, it is. I believe this would be non-IFPA anyway, because this is the loser tournament. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It's like, is that their new workaround for not being able to lose their tournament to NIFA? It's just do a non-IFPA loser tournament. Yes. Yeah. I like it. All because, like, someone was annoyed that they couldn't play in both tournaments. Boo-hoo! Boo-hoo! It's like you can't let the losers have their thing either. Fucking bitches. Yeah. Stop bitching. We should talk. We bitch more than any podcast in the universe. So I was... There's no way of knowing that. I was there with Matt, who was from... He was there with his dad from Colorado. Colorado. And I didn't realize it was a four strikes tournament. Four strikes and you're out. And all head to head. Split flipper. I didn't realize that after four rounds we had three strikes. Ooh. Yeah. And then we survived another like eight rounds. Oh wow. Well seven rounds. Yes. We made it all the way to the finals where we actually, the team we played in the finals only had one strike. So we beat them like three times in a row. Well, we got them on the first one. We beat them in a break shot. But then we lost an Ironman. How did you lose an Ironman? They raised Monger and got him down. We raised Monger. We didn't get him down. Oh, fail. But they had this cool thing where they had the trophy was like a wood carving. It was split in half. So each partner gets one half. Oh, that's pretty cool. I like that. That's actually a neat idea. It was like Wonder Twin Powers Activate. Yep. It's like, yeah, you put it together. Wonder Twin Powers Activate. So now the other half of my trophy thing is in Colorado somewhere. Wow. It's a long lost part of you. So that was my. That was your week. Yeah, it was fun. I mean, it was all fine until the end of Monday. It started to go in a shitter. That's why Kathy had the same problem. But, Zach, what did you do these past three weeks? Or since we last had you on? Well, we'll just go three weeks. We were on last on, so I can't tell you that one. It was about three months ago. Yeah. Well, I got a jackpot. I heard. How is it? I haven't been playing it much recently. Great. It was fun until then. Oh, so maybe not an immediate sale. I'm still thinking it's probably going to end up at RPC soon. Nice. And you've got a Jaws, it sounds like. Yep. Got my Jaws, getting it ready for the RPC launch party. Next week, right? Yep, next Saturday. And is the women's one next Friday? It is Friday. It is Friday. So we have a Friday women's during launch party for the first time, and then a Saturday. So what does RPC mean? Rochester Pinball Collective. Where is it located, Ron? Rochester. Wow. Way to be a little precise. Rochester. 349 West Commercial Street, East Rochester. Zach, what's the suite number? 2965. Good boy. You learned this time. It's the same as the combination of my luggage. One, two, three, four. Zach actually likes baseballs. He likes an actual funny movie. That's so weird. I like Blazing Saddles, too. Yeah. You have great taste then, Zach. Sometimes. How about History of the World Part 1? I'm not so much into that one. Really? Or Young Frankenstein. Young Frankenstein, it's an acquired taste. Or the producers. I like the producers. I like Young Frankenstein more than producers. How about Silent Movie? I've never been to Silent Movies. Okay. No, no. The Silent Movie. Yeah, I know. It's got the same problem, though. It does. But it's a great movie. Just notes for you out there, listeners. I know all the time I say how I'm not editing this episode, blah, blah, blah. And that's a lie. I edit almost every episode. He does. But this one is not a lie. So this is not going to be edited. So if you hear keys clicking from Zach or Bruce's chair squeaking around, blame him. Oh, I touched the chair. I moved the chair. Blame them. Oh, he fixed it. I fixed it. No, no, no, no. I put actually lithium grease on it. Oh, okay. Yep. It was one stuck wheel. Ah. And I'm on concrete, so it really just bang, you know, goes right out. Is that your nickname, stuck wheel? Stuck wheel. It was, because it was not moving. It wasn't rolling at all. So, big announcements. There's a couple of them. Oh, yes, we have a big announcement, ladies and gentlemen. Big announcements. I thought we were just going to have one, but then Bruce said announcement. Yeah, it's going to be a teaser and a second one. Oh. It's not a big announcement. It is a big announcement because it will be a shock to a lot of people, which is good. It's a big tease. It's a big Bruce tease. Will it be a shock as in something we already talked about previously that we said might happen? No. Oh. Oh. Okay. Go ahead. First, Stomp 6. the Undiscovered Whoppers. We have our date. Am I right about that, Zach? I mean, usually I just follow your orders. No, you don't follow my orders. That's totally untrue. You know this. Let me get the Facebook. You're the TD. No, you're going to be partial TD, too. You're actually putting in all the stuff for... You're putting the stuff in for IFPA. Is it the date we already said the last episode? It was the last day. It was the weekend after Memorial Day. Yeah, I think that's what we said last episode. I'm just going to the events. I can't edit the Facebook page, so it's definitely your fault. You just said, you know, that, okay, whatever. Scintillating content, folks. Scintillating content. So I'm getting to it right now, so we have it all in the things, events. Come on. You got our listeners from California. Like, I don't give a fuck. I'm not going to be there. Come on. You should come here. Get on with the news or something. Come on. Airport. It's nice. It's an international airport, too. Unlike Albany's fake international airport. We go to Toronto every day. Albany used to go to Toronto, hence the international. But they haven't in years. It's Thursday, May 30th for a Thursday tournament all the way to Sunday. But the payment will be for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. We are paying for the three-day event, but there will be another event you can come to on the Thursday. and Zach will now be telling us all about each event. So wait a minute. So this is, okay, May 30th. May 30th is a free tournament. Yeah, okay. Hold on. May 30th through June 2nd. Yes. Just to give the range. Yes. Okay. May 30th, May 31st, June 1st, June 2nd, the weekend after Memorial Day. Zach, well, we can go over to pricing first. it is $125 for Friday, Saturday, Sunday and the what do we say for the Thursdays, Zach? It was $15 if you're in the other stuff. Yes. Or regular $20 entry otherwise. If you're not in the tournament. If you're not in the stomp thing. Max people is $64. If you pay the payment schedule will be starting on Wait a minute. If you pay, don't you have to pay? Well, you have to pay, but I mean, when you pay, there is a NIC fee that you get if you have to back out. We're going to go over the scheduling of what you do, but my calendar is not fucking coming up. I'm already confused. What else to do with you? So when you pay, the payment, I can't get my fucking calendar up. Ah! There is a refund discount that goes down as I get closer. Yes. We'll need those exact dates. Yes. So you mean you pay and the amount you can get back in a refund if you cancel goes down the longer you wait? Yes. Wow. Okay, I got that. Just like the sanctum. Just like the sanctum. Yeah, in most tournaments. Yes, exactly. And this will be the same way. So, payment day will be March 2nd at 12 noon ET time. See, I did it right. Ron, see? I'm so proud of you. That makes me very happy, actually. See, it does. See? $125. The payment information will be up tomorrow and the next day. You'll be going to my PayPal. Now, after April 1st, if you have to back out after April 1st, it's 33% less. May 1st, 66%. May 15th, you get nothing back after that. I'm sorry. Last stomp was pretty hectic where we were bouncing people around. If you're sick, I'm sorry. That's what every other tournament does. We're going to be doing it for this one. No excuses. No excuses. I'm sorry. It was just so hectic where I was bouncing around trying to, you know, do everything we can. And I just want to be straightforward and honest right off the bat with that. And it's out there, and it will be in written wording and everything like that also in a few, you know, next day or two. Written wording is very important. Written wording is very, very important. We will be having now the master of TD over here. The master of TD? Is that a sex disease? What does TD mean? No, that's STD. Which is don't slam till the... Testicular dissension? Is that what that means? Maybe. You never know. Zach, he's already... He's trying to... The master. Watch your nuts. Master of the tournament director. Oh. There you go. Why don't you give us a breakdown of what each day will be? Yeah. So, Friday, we'll be opening at 5, or maybe even a bit earlier than 5. but at 5.45, we're going to start doing an all-classics frenzy. PM. Yes. PM. E.T. Eastern. There you go. 15 games of classics, and then top 12 to finals. Pretty standard stuff, which should be like 100% TGP. And when I say frenzy, I mean max match play, but I'm not going to call it that because it's stupid. Saturday in the morning, we have a women's only event, right, Bruce? Yes. It should be an all-modern scramsy. Yes. Just for variety. That'll be going from 10.30 to about 1.30. Mm-hmm. Then at 1.30, we'll be letting the rest of the people in for the main qualifying from 2 to 11 p.m. with a dinner break in the middle. Mm-hmm. And what's the levy? That'll be just match play, all different eras throughout the rounds. 15 rounds, we're thinking. Okay. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Sunday, starting around 9 a.m., we're going to start doing finals for whoever qualified for Saturday, which will hopefully be just 50% of whoever got in, probably right up to like 30 people or something. Yeah. The open tournament. The main event. You chauvinist pig. I am a pig. So we'll be slowly eliminating people through that up to around 1 or 2 p.m. In the middle of that, we'll also start finals for the women's, which will be a ladder. But because it's a ladder, only a few people will play at the same time. So we'll work around if anyone's in both finals to make sure they can play and everything. Yes. And then also, starting at noon, the third open tournament, we'll do head-to-head strikes that'll run for the rest of the day until, like, 5 p.m. or something. Mm-hmm. And as you get a limit from that, then you can keep on playing or start your drive home. Yes. And on Thursday, we're going to do our standard RPC monthly Stern Army Strikes tournament. Yes. Yeah, anybody will open. We'll probably open Friday a little earlier for practice. I am thinking probably like 3 o'clock because I get off at 1.30. So we'll be able to – I'll have it open. It'll be closer. We'll have the true date, but I'm assuming it will be 3 o'clock opening, and then people can come in and practice in case you're not there the Thursday before. That's the plan I have. And this will be streamed. This will be golden streamed. Next bit of information. Myself and Ron will not be playing in it. I'm not? Oh, yeah. You said you weren't. Yeah, I know. Wait a minute, Zach, are you playing in it? Yeah. Of course he is. I want to beat Ron in the finals. You're not going to beat Ron in the finals. I've been denied. I'll find another Ron to play. Yeah. Maybe Sue McVicker will come out of retirement. If we fill up, I'll make a special allowance that another Ron, if your name is Ron, you can be player 65. There you go. That would be so lame to say I'm not going to play and then Stu McVicker shows up. It would be awesome. That would be stupid. It would be awesome. No. So it will be on the second first-come, first-served. You know, you get your spot in. We have – I am talking to some people this weekend about hotel blocks. There's nothing going on this weekend in Rochester, which is good. So there's no golf tournament or anything like that. So we have pretty cheap rooms. That's only every, like, eight years, Bruce. So you're good there. Yes. We're good. And this might help us out with this second piece of news. Ooh, this is what I don't know. Cool. Well, you do know a little bit, but it's not really big, big. But it is big for us. I'm on into my sleepers. You know it. You still have to sign for it. Oh. I know. Some people didn't want to say something, but I'm going to say something. We are expanding at the RPC. The thing that we already talked about that might be happening. Might be happening, is truly going to be happening now. Is truly happening. You heard it here first, folks, weeks ago. Yeah, weeks ago. But it's really going to happen now because now we are all signing the paperwork for it. It will be another, what, 1,300 square feet? I think it's more than that. I think it's maybe 1,400 or 1,500. It's right around there. we will have the whole top window area up top we're going to be signing the lease and hopefully we're my hope would be to have it ready for Stomp 6 3 months ok which would be kind of cool I know Ron's going oh shit now we need to do a lot more shit In reality, it'll be a half-finished room with just a jackpot sitting in the middle of the floor. And a couple of older sterns. And maybe a Lord of the Rings. No, no, we're closing the door again. Oh, I love how he hates it. I love how he hates it. So hopefully we'll have the keys to the place, and then we've got to start knocking down walls. I know, Zach's favorite thing in the world, right? Construction. The knocking down the sheetrock part's fun. Yeah. Knock down the joists. Yeah, the joists and everything like that. That would be the pain in the ass. If you want to come knock down walls, email SlamtailPodcast. SlamtailPodcast at gmail.com. Gmail.com. Please make it all official and proper. Yes. So it'll be cool. If we can get it done for Stomp, that'd be great. We'll have more room, more games. We're doing this, so, one, because we can. We've had a great, successful almost three years now. It would be great to have it open that weekend because it lines up the three years that we have been open. Well, yeah, we opened June 3rd, I think it was. So it was right around there. That's what it is. I know. So it's cool that in three years we were able to expand and expand so we can put in more games. That's the important part. I need room for games. We're talking, I think, what the total was, 80 we're going to bring up to or 85? Somewhere around there, yeah. Yeah. and we're all going to be pulling from our basements again and from storage areas and that kind of stuff. So a lot of stuff that went into our vaults or you haven't seen in a while, you're going to probably get back at the RPC. I know for myself, you're going to probably get back. Nine ball. Ooh. I know, I get all sack on that one. Oh, fight me, sack. Nine ball is awesome. It is awesome. Big game. Big game. Yeah. Split second. Freefall. Ali. I like Ali. And Dragon Fist. The fist, yes. The fist. And I'm going to ask Eric if we can bring Solar Fire. Yeah. And we can also bring more Cheetos. And more Cheetos. And more Stargazers, too, if you want. And another Countdown. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So my basement will probably be almost completely empty. But this is the cool part. We're going to be expanding. Nice. So what are your thoughts, Ron? Since you didn't have to even pay money into this, we still want you to be a partner. Is this the other big news? Because you said you weren't revealing anything, but you just literally revealed. Like, what secret part is there? There's another secret part behind it also. Oh. There is another secret part. There is? There is. And I've been talking to a certain person behind the scenes about other things coming down the line. All right. So you're getting it. You know now. About things that may occur there. Yes. Events. Events. Yes. I got you. So we've got a reveal, a reveal, and a tease. And a tease. Yes. But if we have that much more room at Stomp, that'd be great. We'll be able to sit around. We're going to have more seating areas in the place. That's what we're talking about. More seats, more hangout areas. So I'm just thinking of things like the rig. The rig. Well, what I would do is move the rig piece. What's going to happen is the wall between the two areas will be gone. You shouldn't have to move it then. If it's got a line of sight to everything. It would have line of sight to almost everything. You shouldn't have to move it. Almost everything. almost there's a little maybe corner it might be hidden behind the one part of the wall of the hallway that's true just put the games no one can pick so you're not allowed to pick it for finals we're sorry it will work I'll just move it over more and then we'll have a full line of sight for everything I think that's what District 82 does the games we don't want in the finals put them in the satellite rooms sorry Can't scream, though. Sorry. Can't pick this up. Sorry. Sorry to get that. Poor Black Rose. I know. I like Black Rose. Black Rose was out of the satellite room. Oh, good. That's a good thing. Yeah. I need to go back to 2-2 now. Another good thing is we'll be able to do it there, too. Like, we'll be able to enjoy Black Rose back at RPC. Right, Zach? Yeah. Come back out of the vault. Yeah. So this is a big excitement for us, you know. Yeah. The part is going to be the shitty part is going to be, Zach, what's the bad part doing all this work? Agree? Yeah. I agree. I'm just thinking of the rig and... The logistics. Well, here's the thing. The rig has three different transmitter pairs on it now. It's got a monoprice. I know. A scoon or whatever it's called in the Holly land. The scoon is what everyone's using now. Those things, they go through walls and shit. You might take down the wall if we get more of those. That's what we have on the play field, and that thing is fucking flawless. Yes, it is. Why? They're expensive as all fucking hell. That doesn't matter. I'm rich, remember? Wow, I didn't know that. Have you noticed? I say it all the time. But the issue is, and this is why you guys, if you remember, I borrowed a battery, one of your batteries, because I wanted to see if I could replicate the issues I have with my batteries, which are the same damn one with the RPC one because maybe it's somehow an older, newer version. And? And I was able to replicate it. Okay. And what I think the issue seems to be is that if you're using the Ascones, or whatever they're called, with these batteries and you put more than two of them in one of the batteries, you have issues, period. Okay. so what I want to look at is and Tom Tom Grant was using one of these at um at uh District 82 he has the three scoons whatever then he's got the big ass fucking battery that Carl was using at InDisc which is like it's something you bring to a campsite if you're there for the weekend to plug all your shit into. It's big, but you guys may have enough room in between games because you don't have them right next to each other. We'd have to measure that. I think you could put it at the bottom of the rig and then run longer wires, and then it's at the bottom of the rig so I don't have to worry about the thing like falling on a game or something. I don't want to put it at the top. That would scare me. But then you would have a battery that would last forever, transmitters that should be able to go through walls and it should just work in theory. Okay. But we'll see. We'll see. I mean, you guys have the PC you can't boot, right? We're still running off. We're still running off. So, okay. So, so there'll be truly 64 spots. There's actually 63 spots for up for grabs because SAC automatically has to pay. Hi. Yes, this is 63 spots. If he gets to 48, what are we, Zach? What? 48 spots. 48 spots, that's cool. Yeah. No, if I get 48 spots, what do we get points-wise? A new car? We get a lot of points. I don't remember the numbers. Yeah, it's something like 200, almost like a certified. What's certified? Certified requires 64, I think. We're talking about whopper shit. Certified requires 48 people, but also requires 20 rounds. Losing more listeners. Yes. More. Whopper talk. Even I can't keep track of the rules anymore. I know. It getting pretty bad Zach we need more If we get 48 people this year then next year it be certified Okay All right Ready for next subjects Yeah, I think so. Well, you announced the dates and all that. Is this going to be like on our Facebook page? Yes, I'm going to be doing this tomorrow. Yes, I'm going to be putting this up tomorrow, so I guarantee. All right. We're going to be putting up the PayPal address to put every money to and all the fun stuff. I don't even I think we're talking about the breakdowns also too we'll have to have Zach I think you have that the prize money yes the prize money stuff but all it is is it should be RPC money trophies and the rest goes to well will there be a belt? there will be a belt for the main there will be a belt for the main and it will be a different facing different facing there will be one for the east And one for the West. Okay. Original South and West. You wear this belt on the back. Yeah. The belt was a very popular item, so. It was. So there will be a belt to win. And it's yours to keep. Yep. It's not like you have to give it up. No. You keep this. Turn it around. But I think for Maine, we'll be pushing right up against the limit of when we have to start putting out tax forms for first place. Yes, we probably will. But not quite exceeding it, you know. Yes, exactly. Yes. but we'll be close, which will be cool. It'll be great to see big money, big money, big parts, big prices. It's a new gimmick. We're as high as we can be without having to send out tax forms. Yes. $5.99, $99. Yes. You'd be like, you won this much, but why don't you just donate it to charity? Yes. And you're all set. And you're all set. But you'll see more classic games there. You'll see more newer games. You'll see more EMs even. Right, Zach? That's always good. That's always good. And Hot Tip, maybe. And Hot Tip. Hot Tip. We've got so many games sitting in the back, it'll actually free up our back area a lot. We'll finally be able to buy more games and put them in storage. Yes. Well, that's good for Allentown, right? We'll be prepping in Allentown for that. Yeah. Cannot wait for Allentown. We've already got games lined up, right? We do. We already have one game Zach already bought. Huh? You bought another game. I bought another game. I've got space coming. I can finally, you know, stop restraining myself. I'm restraining myself of the 100-plus games I own. My favorite guy from Maryland texted me, and he's like, hey, you looking at this game? And I said, well, I'm not, but let me ask somebody who will be. And, of course, it was Zach. And Zach's like, oh, what do you think? And I said, well, what do you want to pay? And I went back and forth, and we got it. You want to tell them the title, Zach? Okay. For your information, Ron, that's only in the 80s right now. I haven't broken 100 yet. Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. With its expansion, maybe I can get to 100. I'm working on it. But your faith in me is too high right now. You're going to have to actually have a course for EM repairs for the rest of the guys. You know that, don't you? Anytime. I want to learn always, so you know that. Okay, so what's next on the list, Ron, since the announcements have now taken, what, 40 minutes, 30 minutes? Yeah. Almost time to wrap it up. See you later. Bye, guys. This has been the Pinball Profile. Oh, wow. My name's Jeff Teolis with my co-host, Pinside PD. Actually, I'm sick enough. Maybe I can get my voice that low. I can. I can do it very easily. Oh, yeah. That's right. Did any of you watch the D-Jenny's? Yes, a little bit. I was on the plane. I only had for a few minutes, and then I had to get on the plane, bored. since I went on my vacation. We didn't even talk about myself. You get vacations? Yeah, I get vacations. And what do you think I did on my vacation? I can guess. You went on a Antonio Cruz, Bruce. What else is new? Yes. So I assume Zach didn't watch it. No, I missed it. You can watch it any time. A lot of people on there. Yeah, they did. The poor, the D-Jenny logo guy, Billy. Oh, yes. He got kidnapped and tortured. Jesus Christ. They reenacted, like, what did they reenact? Seven, and then Planet of the Apes in succession. It was interesting. I didn't think crime was that bad in Canada, but boy. It is. He was kidnapped, and they were holding him for ransom if they didn't get a topper. Wow. Yeah. An animated topper? Then they reenacted Reservoir Dogs, and he lost his eyeball and stuff. Wow. Yeah. It was entertaining. So now you know. Don't go to Canada anymore, boys and girls. It's really mean up there and everything like that. It's brutal. Especially if you're a giant living D-Denny logo. Yes. Poor Billy. Nice! We also had the Twippies. Yes. The Twippie Awards. So I got them right in front of me here because I'm prepared. Good point. Best theme, Scooby-Doo. Actually, let me get to the breakdowns. They're better. I like that. Better. Well, at least I thought I had breakdowns. I have to thank our listeners, and that will be coming a little later on, but I have to thank the listeners. Good feel, Bruce. Good feel. Best theme, Scooby-Doo. I can go with that. Best sound, Foo Fighters. I guess they consider sound the music. Best mod is the Godzilla Noodle Bar building. I think I bought that. And then I saw the instructions to install it, and I'm like, no, I don't feel like doing that right now. Of course you did. This one surprised me. Favorite pinball convention or event. Expo. Yeah, which is surprising. TBF usually wins every single year. Yeah. That was surprising to me. I think I've been hearing less about TBF the past few years. Yeah. I used to hear so much now, just like, oh, yeah, TPF. Well, the thing is, I think TPF is getting too big as in space. Like, you don't feel like you're in space. No, it's not big enough in space. No, I can say. You're getting every year it's more and more constricted because there's so many more people they're bringing in. And it doesn't feel like a fun place, like California Extreme eventually became. When you walk in, you get hit with a sound like I've never experienced at another pinball show. It's so loud. I actually wear ear protection. there. Best toys and mechs. Labyrinth. Favorite pinball location. Next level. Which is in Oregon. It was like triple the votes of anyone else. Boy, that was a little campaigning. Did they go to Chrissy's school? Brazil. Favorite homebrew pinball machine. 8 Ball Beyond. I'll go with that. I played it. It was good. Best animations in display. This one surprised me. Well, actually, not really, but John Paul DeWitt has won this every year for Jersey Jack. Like, every year. No one has ever won this award other than him. And this year, Foo Fighters won it. Yay! Yeah, I guess there's not a lot of people who have played The Godfather to see the animations. Yeah. Well, Elton John, I think, was included, so that's too easy. Maybe he hurt himself by having the two. Yeah. Oh, Big Louse! Elton John animations are very impressive, I've got to say. Yes, they are. They are. But the slideshow, though. Where's the video? There's no video. Not yet. Just, like, the text saying, like, Grand Champion on the attract mode has, like, more pixels in it than, like, an entire video on a Stern machine. Mm-hmm. The only video I've seen for Elton John live video is in the CE topper. It's like, give me some concert footage, something. Anything. Anything. The lineman sheets of work for best rules is Foo Fighters. Doesn't look like it was close. Pinball topper, Labyrinth won. Not surprising. Best artwork, Foo Fighters. Playfield gameplay layout, Foo Fighters. See the pattern here, guys? Game of the year, Foo Fighters. Wow. Not close either. Not even close. Then the content creator won. The one that they – We told everyone not to vote for us. Not to vote for us, and they combined everything into one. So you're going against streamers, podcasters, every different – Yeah, which is just – So Kerry Hardy won that with a flipping out second. But the interesting thing, the podcast, the number one podcast, Triple Drain, congrats, guys. Yeah, good. Nice job. Your listeners didn't listen to you. Okay. Yes, Don's Pinball Podcast, The Pinball Show, way lower. I thought they would be number one for the podcast, honestly. Then Fox City's, and look, Slamtail Podcast. Wow, you guys somewhat listened to us. Somehow you're still in the top five. We had more first place votes than The Pinball Show. Yeah. I'm just saying. And didn't we beat another podcast out there? yeah we slaughtered Silverball Chronicles Silverball Chronicles a great podcast with me and David Dennis that can be listened to on the Pinball Network we talk about pinball history yes you do I had a lot of people come up to me at District Day too saying they're big fans not big fans of Slamtel they would usually say oh I listened to that one too but I really like Silverball Chronicles wowzers which means they probably don't listen to it yeah of course not I had someone say, like, I did some of the stream at District 82, maybe 15 minutes. I saw they were streaming Terminator 3, and it's like, oh, I know something about that. And I guess somebody there, they heard me on the stream, and they're like, oh, I didn't realize he was here. So then they introduced themselves. Like, I heard you on the stream, and I said, I know that voice. Is my voice recognizable, Bruce? I guess so. I mean, you've only got, like, two or three podcasts to get it out there. Yeah. Exactly, yeah. But, yeah, that was the Twiffies. They did a prerecorded ceremony hosted by the Loser Kid guys. And we actually, we could have done a radio for them, yeah. We were asked. The problem is we're kind of in different parts of the state. And we were never seeing each other at all or anything. Well, we'd have to plan a time and then actually film it. And I wouldn't want to do a half-assed video. I was thinking of doing something like, you know, we go to read the winner or something. I give it to Bruce, and he reads it backwards because he's got it upside down. You know, I think that would be funny. Wow, that would be very funny. Yeah. See? I have all kinds of cool ideas, but. Dyslexia. I think it's going to be fun with dyslexia. No, good. No, you say it wrong, Bruce, and then I'm like, what? And then I turn it around, and like, oh, and then you say the actual name. See? Wow, okay. Wouldn't that have been funny? I guess. Why is it always me that makes, you make fun of me? with Good Job Loser Kids. I like that they had the winners, did pre-recorded speeches and stuff, so that was nice. That was nice. And that was the Twippies. So next year we have a chance again. If they still do it. 27 years later. What else? I'm just going to go down the line here. I got, that way I don't have to reorder this later, The JJP IO board. Do you know what this is, Bruce? This is the new and improved thing that's going to be out since Toy Story on the machines. It's not a different thing. No, no. So this is the IO board that's in Jersey Jack games. It's the thing that has all the transistors and shit on it. And it's the thing that they changed in Toy Story. Which, what did they do to it, Zach? You're the expert. They just made the caps a lot bigger. Yeah. Like two of them, it looks like. Yeah, there's usually two big filter caps on there, and they just, like, triple the rating of them. Is that, like, it? Is that all the change? It's really the only change? Yeah. So it's now available for, like, $400. So you can put it in a pretty Toy Story game to hopefully make your flippers not suck. And? I bought one of them. I know you did. and I asked Zach specifically, like, is this going to help with anything other than the flippers? And what did you say, Zach? It should help with the 70-volt stuff, I think, but not the 20-volt stuff. So, like, the slings will still suck as far as I know. Yeah. And? And that's pretty much, yeah. So what I did is I dialed in. Surprised. I dialed in. I have the flippers. I had the flippers cranked all the way, almost max, just to get what I consider reasonable power. So I factory, I defaulted them back to default values. I put the board in. And now they're basically at default values as strong as they were when I had it cranked all the way up, which is what they're supposed to do. What they're supposed to do from the factory. Yes. So other than that, I noticed absolutely no difference. Everything is exactly the same. Yeah, the pops weren't too bad, and those probably may not have been what you noticed. Yeah, I didn't even notice that. The slings still stuck. Well, I did some digging, and I looked at the Elton John manual, and I noticed that the Elton John manual, flipper coils they use in there are like the 11629s, which is Williams' most powerful. Well, Williams had a higher one, but they only used it like on one game. It's their main most powerful flipper coil they use, And that's what's in Elton John. And the slings in Elton John are on the 70-volt power bus. They're not on the 20. On Elton John, there's only three things on the 20-volt power bus. Do you have any guesses on what they may be? Tiny Dancer? That's a motor. That's on a different thing in my lobby. It's the crocodile. You know how he moves? That's 20 volts. and Elton John's left and right arms. So I'm guessing it's like a little coil that just like pushes them down. Steve Ritchie loves to just make animatronics that move and put all his budget into them. There's nothing wrong with that. We had to make the croc vibrate separately from the rest of the mech. It's really important. And I assume that his head has got to be like a motor because it goes all the way around. Oh, it has to. Yeah, it has to be. So, yeah. That's one of the – I mean, everything's fucking 70 volts on that thing. That's why the coils, it just plays so much faster with the ball flying around. Yeah, I went back to, like, Toy Story, still 20-volt slings. Everything was 20 volts until Elm John. That's why the slings suck so bad. But they suck even more. That's got to be something with the shape of them or something. Like, the way they, because they're even worse. They're horrible. So was it worth $400? Uh, no. Well, luckily, you don't have to spend $200 anymore because there's modders who have made, like, a drop-in, like, add-on board. Yep. I know. You know, so you'll get the whole board. But it would void your warranty if it's on a new machine, of course, you know. Well, if you have a new machine, then you already have it. Well, the J.P. warranty lasts, like, two months anyway. Who cares? Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to get a machine that has the old one now, so. Yeah. True. Yeah. But then you only need to spend, like, $100. $100. Yeah. But I don't understand, like, to get, like, $20 versus... When I was reading the Pinspike thread on it, it's like, I put it in, and everything is more powerful now. My magnets are more powerful. This is more powerful. And it's like, I didn't experience any of that. It literally, like, the flippers are way better. And that's it. And now your flippers will fade faster. Oh, I thought I read there they will fade slower. Why will they fade faster? Because they have nowhere to go but down. They'll get hot sooner. Yes. Right. So they'll fade faster. Okay. Because there's more power going into them. And the software isn't set up to try to compensate for that or anything. Yep. Wow. But technically you can do this capacitor upgrade on anything that has a transformer. WPC games, 80s games that aren't Bally's because Bally's are stupid and have... Stern? No, not Sterns either. The older Sterns, yeah. They've got the zero crossing circuit that the capacitors have. Oh. Yeah. You can probably still do it somehow, but it's more work than just, you know, dropping the capacitor on the line. Yeah. That's also why valleys and sterns, the lights dim so much when you flip because they've got no capacitor on there at all. Nice little tech tips. Very good. Tech talk, tech talk. Joe Cervino's going, fuck! And Joe Cervino's saying fuck also. Yeah. That's why I didn't say his name last time, if you noticed. I passed it off on all of you. You with your terrible Italian-ness, and you can't even get an Italian name right. What the fuck it up? Oh, yeah. Hey, an Italian guy helped us out last week for Zach, so that's all that matters to me. You got your pizza? No. Oh. Wow, that's a stereotype right there, too. 100%. I'm Italian. I can do it. Oh, I love how that all works. That's how that works, yeah. No, it does not. It does not work that way. It does work that way. Sorry. Drew's the only person on this podcast not allowed to make fun of Italians. Wow. Wait a minute, Zach, are you Italian? At least partially, yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. Huh. No wonder you like pizza. Okay. No, he likes bad pizza, not good pizza. I like the pizza in Italy. It's pretty tasty. I've had it, too. It's good. I like Italian pizza. And also good upstate New York pizza. No. No. Okay, okay. Next subject. Multimorphic. and I won't get into the new game immediately. I want to talk about, since we have Zach on here, all the design improvements they did. Yeah. Remember, we talked about in a previous episode, it's actually a pin-side post. A guy just carefully laid out all the issues he had with pictures and documentation and all this stuff and all the interactions he had with Multimorphic on this and all that. And not soon after that, Multimorphic did the thing where we're... We're changing this. We're changing this. We're going to be halting production. We're going to be working on these issues and get these things fixed. And then they announced at the beginning of this month all the things that they've done. And a lot of it is going to be like sending out parts to a lot of people. It's a pretty impressive response. I was impressed by like, damn. It's just like... Now, I would also ask how many people have P3s? About 50. Yeah. So, when I'm thinking, like, you're giving out all these parts, it's like, if you have 50, 100 people who have it, it's not like Stern saying, we're going to send you this free thing when you have thousands of games. Well, how many? They did sell a lot of what's called weird owls. Like a few hundred, right, of the OEs or something? Yeah. So, you think at least. They probably got at least like 1,000 or 2,000. I think probably 2,000. All right. All over. So, I'm going to go over this quick here. This is the updates they've done. The ATX power supply we use in our backbox is being upgraded to a highly rated gold-certified ATX supply. All P3 owners will receive the updated supply for free. That's like $100 right there, probably. Yep, probably. Unless they buy a lot more than, you know, if they're buying 1,000, they're buying their own production stuff, they might even get it cheaper. But, yeah. Welded flipper and slingshot pivot brackets had inconsistent quality. I think that means they weren't good. Many lasted well beyond our million activation test cycles, while some failed only after a few thousand activations. Design specs have been updated. The issue has been discussed and corrected by our supplier. All P3 owners will receive free replacements for all four lower playfield flippers and bolt slingshots. Some of our small bobbin coils and the small bobbin dual round coils were terminated improperly and were subject to premature failures. The manufacturing issue has been discussed with and corrected by our supplier. All failing coils will continue to be replaced under warranty. For how long? Infinite warranty, Bruce. I know, exactly. That's kind of a little open-ended. The first version of our end-of-stroke switches can fail occasionally due to functional tolerances with the movement of the interrupter flags. We modified the board and flag designs and further improved the vibration resistance. All three owners will receive updated EOS boards and flags free of charge. Opto-EOS switches. Fancy. Oh, here's one about the 3D stuff, 3D printed. Some of our high-stress 3D printed parts are being replaced by aluminum or injected molded parts. High-stress 3D printed. I never heard a problem with any 3D part, you know, in the world that breaks on a pin. Others are being updated to be more resistant to over-tightening and vibrational stress. All P3 owners will receive a number of the updated parts for free, including new aluminum flipper bats for the side target assemblies. Most of our remaining 3D printed design files will be made available for download on our support site for those of you who may want to print your own spares. So does that mean they had 3D printed flipper bats before? I don't know. That's what it sounds like to me. We've updated our assembly guidelines and QC processes in an attempt to discover more assembly mistakes. Okay, this is about freight. We're switching to palletized freight shipping for our heavier playfield modules to reduce the occurrences of shipping damage due to improper handling. This picture of UPF guys delivering one of those modules in a box. Yeah, and to drop it on the front porch. Boom. Yep. Because they just love heavy items to carry. That's a big box, too. I know it is. Now, I have a couple questions myself. Oh, no. Yes. Did they know all about these problems beforehand, and when getting called out, they now address them? Or did they not know about these problems and really look at their own internal processes and say, hey, we have these problems? I don't know, Bruce. I know. That's what I'm saying. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Mm-hmm. you know, where are these problems? And then when they're called out, they did the, oh, my God, we've got to fix all these problems and get them away for free. Or did they actually say, boy, we didn't know about this issues we had. We thought we only had a small problem. You know, I feel they had to be working on this a little bit beforehand. Because that's a lot of stuff in a short period of time. It didn't take them that long to do all that stuff. No, that's where I'm like, hmm. They had to be aware of some of it and were actively trying to figure out solutions. Yeah. And I hope, you know, I hope that everyone will be happy with these solutions. Mm-hmm. And just in time for their new game, which is The Princess Bride. Which, you going to get on me for this, Bruce? For my false reporting? Mm-hmm. He doesn't need to fucking remember. No, because you said... I said it was going to be a P3, but I said it wasn't going to be multimorphic, and I was incorrect. Yes. I am admitting I was wrong. Well, you know, it happens all the time, so we're just... Oh, God. It's a day that ends in Y. I feel like this can get us assaulted. Oh, fuck you. He didn't pick up my darkslam. No, I didn't hear him at first. Oh, it's fucking awesome. Yeah, they hire Josh Kugler, formerly of American Pinball, for the next game, codenamed Nitrogen. And then almost immediately afterwards, the game is Princess Bride. What does Nitrogen have to do with it? Whatever number Nitrogen is on the periodic table, that's the number game. That's a good way to do it. It is. That's why Final Resistance was Carbon. so whatever it is carbon, nitrogen, whatever so there's no use guessing it all no it has nothing to do with what the cave actually is so have you guys seen the trailer? I have seen the trailer nope come on do your research you knew you were going to be on this episode I didn't know I was going to be interviewed about this live interviewed live you didn't send me the topic list ahead of time fair Yes, I did. It's right in there. You sent it to me like 30 seconds ago. Yeah. Oh, okay. You want me to watch the video while we're doing the podcast? No, no. We can already hear you're clicking. So, Bruce, what do you think? It looked okay. You know, I'm not a big fan. I hate the movie. Wow. My wife loves the movie. I am one of the few people in the world I think that actually the movie is terrible. I feel like previously there was two categories of people people who liked the movie and people who haven't seen the movie yet nope I've seen it and I do not like I do not like it the only thing good about it is Andre the Giant inconceivable I'm sorry it's not that funny have you seen the movie yeah what's your opinion on the movie I mean I don't think it's amazing but it's fun yeah I've never seen the movie I've seen scenes from the movie Yeah, I mean, Onyeka Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die. Prepare to die, yeah, okay. I've heard that so many times, I just want to bang my head against the wall because it's not that funny. And it wasn't supposed to necessarily be funny. He's telling him, you killed my father, prepare to die. I don't know if that's meant to be humorous. What's the thing he says over and over to her? Oh, the, it's your wish or something like that. It's not as you wish, is it? Yeah, something like that, yeah. Come on, Zach, what does he say? I don't remember. Ah, good lord. I can call, I can ask Kathy. Yes, it is Andre the Giant in it. So now he's in two pinball machines. Yes. Can you name them? I know what they are. I beat earlier, so, yeah. Well, this is more for the listeners then. Listeners, do you know? It's Princess Bride and WrestleMania Ellie. So it's really like 1.3 pinball machines. He's not in WWF? Well, no, he's not in Royal Rumble. Okay. I didn't know if he was in that last summer. No. I'm surprised. I think he was already dead by that point when that game came out. Which is still on the poster. No, they had active wrestlers on the Royal Rumble game. That's why they had to keep changing the artwork because people kept leaving. I like it's got the module has this clip thing and the ball actually goes up on a magnet. That was pretty darn cool. Is it interactive at all? Or is it just like you just watch the ball go up? No, it's interactive. It's like you're supposed to be scaling the cliff. and by hitting more shots, it goes up further, goes up further, goes up further. Okay, but you don't like it. Go to duty, go to duty, go to duty. It's involved in the background while you're doing things. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yep. They have full assets, so they got the whole movie, so they basically can use any clip from it. Because the movie's so bad, they didn't have to pay much for it. Oh, wow. I think you're going to be in a minority in this one, Bruce. That's fine. I have no problem with that. He's wrong about a lot of things, so it's nothing new. He is, yeah. Not as much as you and Ron. Well, Zach is never wrong. We know this. I don't know if we've proven a wrong percentage of anyone here. Yep. As you wish. As you wish. That's what he says. He, of course, came through. As you wish. That's terrible, too. Okay. Columbo's in it. I mean, come on. Who's Columbo? Peter Falk. Jesus Christ. He's the guy who's telling the story. Yeah, my one eye's looking me one way and one eye's looking me the other way, but hey, I'm telling you a story. He played like semi-pro baseball even with one eye. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, well, I think that's why he got the one eye weird. Maybe he got plunked in the head a couple times. And who else? He's telling that, what, Fred Savage? Yeah. Who was then, what time was he in? Wonder Years. Wonder Years. There you go. Yeah. So they got three models, standard, limited, and collector's edition. Now, the collector's edition you can only get as the full thing, not just the module. Yeah, you can't get the module. Because it looks like if you get that one, you're not using that for anything else. That's going to be Princess Bride because it's got all this custom Princess Bride stuff. It's got, like, sword handles on the side. Yeah. That kind of look like you would have to reach around them to hit the flipper button. They claim that they don't interfere with you, but I can't imagine how that works. I watched the trailer, and there is a woman playing it in the trailer, and I can see her wrapping her fingers around the thing to hit the flipper button. Then again, these are the people who think that three flipper buttons on a little pad module outside of it is acceptable to begin with, so I can't trust them. And I can tell you, with my Donald Trump hands, I would definitely have issues with the sword handles. I would be hitting them. 100%. But, yeah, the standard and limited you can get full thing or just the module. So let's see. Standard is 5,000. I assume for the module. Limited. Edition is 750 units. Collector's edition, it doesn't say how many. 5,000 just for the module. Oh, 500 units for the collector's edition. for the full thing, it's $11,500 for standard, $12,750 for limited, and $13,750 for the collector's edition. Didn't the module used to be, like, under $3,000? I think they did a thing where, like, the module price went up, but the full price for the full thing went down. So they want more people to get the full units. Yeah, which is, like, the exact opposite of the whole selling point, isn't it? Exactly. But that is a pretty good price. weren't making as much money. That's why. I mean, also, I guess at the point where you've got eight modules out, you want people to buy... Your main sales conduit for money is new units, because they're going to buy more than one module, probably. Yeah. Yeah. I remember they're like, you can get three games for the price of one Stern Fiume. I'm like, no, no, no, you can't. So that's... I still... I get excited whenever a new game's going to be out. There will be a TPF. Actually, Multimorphic's going to have a huge presence there. They're going to basically have all their shit there. Every game All the main ones they really want to push Like Heist and Weird Al And Final Resistance And Al Phiby there I like that one I still like Final Resistance The best of all the ones I've played Me too Wow, rare agreement Very rare Alright, next one Haggis Yeah It still exists They had an update They had an update And I just one of the words they used in their update really worries me Can I read this fast enough? I'm going to try. As I'm sure you've heard, I'm not going to read this whole thing. It's too fucking long. Basically. They're in trouble, folks. They are going to. It's basically the crux of it is they've been using, what is it, just-in-time supply where they just get what they need. Yeah. And when they have supply issues, then they can't build games. Yes. So it sounds like they want to get more of a supply. Mm-hmm. So that means they're going to have to do bigger orders, bulk orders and stuff because of this. Everything's going to slow down, and they need to recapitalize. Yeah, that's the word. That's the crazy word. That's the one word I saw that, like, ugh. I don't know if I like that word. That word kind of says to me, we don't have enough money. We're broke. Being in Australia, they're really going to be susceptible to supply issues. They're going to have more problems with that. Totally agree. And I remember, I think it was on the Aussie Pinball Podcast, they had Wayne, Bruce Delsop talking about. Yep, I know. Wayne, what's his last name? I had it in my head. Gileard or something like that? Gileard, Gileard. Mr. Pinball Australia. And, you know, me and Bruce know him. He's been around for 20 years. He did the Ballywrights battles. He was going to do, he was one of the guys that was originally going to do remakes. He was going to do, was it Medieval Madness? Medieval Madness first, yes. And then there was going to be a Crocodile Hunter. Crocodile Hunter one until he died. But he was in an interview in the Aussie Pinball Podcast. And this was a couple years ago. when Haggis was already around and done Kels and all that. And Wayne made this comment that just from his own experience, he didn't believe that you could manufacture pinballs in Australia. He just didn't think it would be feasible to do. Which that always just stuck in my head for whatever reason. Well, it's all the importing taxes and everything like that. Yeah, it's just got to be so hard to do over there. They did make two games. But the quantity that you would expect is a little... For a antique manufacturer? I don't think they really wanted to be a boutique. They think they wanted to be a full production facility instead of a boutique facility. Eh, it's a boutique. Because they got limited production numbers. Yeah, if you're not hitting like a thousand, you're a boutique. Yeah. And they're not even close to that. Yeah, no. No. But I bought a spot originally back for the Fathom. I sold my spot, God, almost a year and a half ago. and I sold it to somebody, and that person sold it to somebody else. And that person paid in February of 2023. He still hasn't gotten his game yet. That's pretty bad. That's a year ago. Yes, that's like, what did you do with my money? And I hope it's not. We recapitalized it. Yeah, we recapitalized it to somebody else's game who was before me. That's not a good way to do business. It's the Dutch way. The Dutch way. So we're saying we think they have to build a few to get the capital. Yeah, I think so. They have to sell a few to get the capital to build one. Yeah, and the problem is, if you don't have the parts and you can't buy the parts, you're now really fucked. And it's not looking good. Maybe they'll do the Dutch. Maybe they won't. But they took a lot of deposits, supposedly, for Centaur. That's the thing. Where do those go? Are they in escrow? Can you go for the parts? Yeah, are they in escrow? Are they in escrow or not in escrow? And then you had this big presence. Where did they have a big presence? Was it at Expo? CPF. Oh, CPF. Did you really need to have that big presence there? Well, yeah, because they sold. That's when they did the thing that pissed off some of the buyers, So they had the fathom there, and people played the new code, and they really liked the new code. And it's like, well, you only could get that if you got the whatever, the special model. Then they did a 180 and said, like, okay, no, you can get the new code, which pissed off the people who thought, oh, the new code was supposed to be exclusive to the one I bought. Exactly. That's a real stern, sound move right there. It was. But, yeah, what do you guys think? I think they're in trouble I hate to see it it sounds like the only foreign manufacturer you can trust to deliver their games without me capitalizing is Pinball Brothers well yeah what's with Pinball Brothers they actually drop prices on theirs and still make them but I think they're dropping prices because they weren't selling they're not selling they're not not shipping games that people paid for that's true you pay for Pinball Brothers and you get the game you get the game it might not work you can see a box of parts that are assembled into a pinball machine shaped object it may light up and with Dutch you'll probably get it eventually yeah eventually like 10 years it might be 10 years but you will get it it might be 10 years but you got your game eventually you got it thanks for the 10 year loan with no interest I feel like they'll probably do better with their next game if they get to it what the back to the future yeah like with no assets at this point yeah no assets at all well they might not spell me But, like, I feel like at this point they must at least know how to not fuck up shipping a game. Yes. Yes. They've made every mistake they can make already. So they're good now. I'll go with that. Yeah, I hope Haggis gets through it. It's not looking good, though. It really isn't. It's kind of scary how bad, you know, they could be off. Because when you're putting out the, whoa, we haven't. As I said, the guy who bought my spot after buying my other guy, if I paid $9,000 for my spot, I should have had the pinball machine within two to three months. Wouldn't you think? And the thing is, they could have taken the approach where they don't say anything or they just don't really say. They make announcements that don't say anything, but they went the route that, okay, we're going to tell you everything. I mean, I see that as a positive Get ready, we're going to take your we might be out of business so you might not get your game, thanks I feel like at this point as a responsible business operator this should be the part where you're like should we just refund everyone and stop? That's the way I would look at it If you need to start doing weird business stuff to try to make it keep working And how would you get your money back with them being in Australia and the laws and all that? How would that even work? I don't know. But the thing is, you know, you've asked for deposits for another game from past year ago, and now it sounds like you're going to be waiting a long time, if never. Why put the money into more manufacturing if you can't make the product? So, great, they're going to buy maybe 100 fastports at a time. Oh, but we have money for nothing else. oh, we have to fire a third of our staff. Great. Just-in-time staff. Yeah. There's a lot of you need to stay at the point. And as a business owner, we did. Where do you say it's over? That's true. You had to actually make that decision. Yeah, exactly. And you've got to say, like, okay, at this point and this point, I'm not making this much money. My overhead is this much. This is how much we're making. There's a gap there. How long can I go without that gap killing us? And if you see it's not making that much money anymore, and there's no more new orders coming in, and you can't pay for the parts, I'd rather see them refund some money back and just say done than not do anything at all and just keep on eating away their reserves and not getting anything out to these people. because the only way they are going to survive literally is the current way they're trying to do stuff because if you keep on, unless they get a benefactor, if you say I'm going to now go for big bulk purchases, they're not going to be able to big bulk purchase everything, which sounds like with the money they have right now because they need more capital. So the old way was we buy two or three boards and maybe get some games out. Now we're waiting until we can buy a lot more parts to make these games go out. And if we can't afford these parts, we're fucked. So it's really not a good sign for anybody who has money into these games. Hi, Mark. All from the RPC. He only has his deposit because he did the five game title thing. And what do you do then? Do you say, hey, our next title is 8-ball deluxe. Here it's coming. That would be the worst move ever. We'll just ship both games at once to you in 2025. No, you won't. Yeah, 2025. No, you won't. I hope they don't go that route. And I hope if they do go that route, it will be, this is a preview. Here's what we have done. No deposits yet. To show interest. If you start taking money, I think you're just throwing it down a hole and burying it. I like Damien, I like Marty and everyone else in that company, and people have dealt with the company. They just have a lot of problems in that company. It's broken. They need a full, clean suite. Mark was still waiting for his parts for his Kelts a year and a half later. He was waiting for parts for Fathom a year later. No responses, blank responses. they need a person that's, you know, maybe a whole new management team if they're going to keep the company. Or another, if the investor comes in that says, hey, I'm going to put money in this company, it's not my company. You're out of it. Maybe Paul Hogan could come in. There you go. Crikey. I wonder if anyone will get that. We know Zach won't get that. No, not at all. No. But you know what I'm saying? I don't know. What are your thoughts, Zach? Hopefully it works out. Wow. I'll go with Zach. Wow. I'm the only asshole here, huh? Well, yeah, it's your gimmick. It is my gimmick, but it's the truth gimmick. I'm being the pessimist. Yes. You guys are being the optimist. I mean, if you have a gimmick like this, why would we let you on the show? There'd be so much positivity here. I mean, when I think Zach, I think positivity. Just me and Ron, the most positive couple here. Yes. Yes, all day. Yes. Now, okay, I'm going to put a question to both of you. If you both had deposits on Centaur, what would you be thinking right now? Uh-oh. Why did I do that? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Enough said. But a year and a half ago, people were thinking, hey, they're on the second game. They've made a stride and a big step. Third game. I consider that the second game. The first game, Kelz, is just ugh. Like, they did make two games, though. Yeah, guess what? So is Pimple Brothers going to wait? You would think at that point that their process was working. You would think, but it wasn't. And they were hoping for more capital, which is a scary part. I mean, like with Spooky, you would have no issues doing a deposit. They're like, yeah, I know I'm going to get the game eventually. Eventually. You know. Spooky has their system down. Yeah, they have their system down. They do. They just need to actually make good games, but, you know, they've got the rest of it all figured out. Wow. Yeah, that's the big key. They need to make good games. So you're not feeling the Scooby-Doo there, Zach? No, I haven't seen a thing yet. No, Scooby-Doo. You own one. Wait, I thought you meant Looney Tunes. Scooby. Scooby. Yeah. Scooby-Doo was pretty bad. Rick and Morty was pretty bad. I like Rick and Morty. I would trade Scooby-Doo for Rick and Morty. I like Rick and Morty. There you go, folks. You heard it. Except for the left side of the play field. Exactly. The left side is such a fucking clump fest. It is, Zach. You know it is. You can tweak a lot of stuff. I don't know. I still enjoy Mickey and Winnie when I play it. I like the humor in it. The humor and the sound and the video assets are the bomb. And the mega speeds. Those are important. Yeah, the mega speeds and the mode rules. But if anyone wants to trade their Rick and Morty for a home use only Scooby-Doo, contact Zach. Zach's the man. You know, Zach should really be better. Why? His dream themes. Pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, that's true. the stern, he hates the Jersey Jack, his other, like, big one was Scooby-Doo. Boom, that exists. And now he's disappointed in that. None of mine ever get made. That's not true. Family Guy. When Family Guy came out, it was a pretty big thing for you. You did. Yeah, but it was an obese and pothead. No, no, no. It was a pretty good example of a good game that you saw the title and said, no, at the time, he said, I want to get this game. The closest was probably ACDC. Yeah. Because I love ACDC. Because I, you know. Just imagine like 20 years and I have to start making music pins for bands that I like. That'll be really bad. NSYNC? You're going to get an NSYNC pin? I don't actually know what NSYNC is. Oh, Jesus Christ. The event of an all-game will be coming out. Yeah, Spooky will make that in like 2032. With a horror theme. Yeah, that I can see. Yeah, actually, what a horror movie. Yeah. I mean, no one on the MedTech is going to touch that one, so. No. Yeah. Just like EOL. Basically, all my dream themes, all the games have been misses. It's pretty impressive. Yeah, mine have been Tron was a miss. Oh, I like Tron. Tron is a one-side machine also. It's a one-flipper game. It really is. Just like Rick and Morty. We know Ramsey can pass it over to the other flipper, either. Exactly. That's what always pisses me off the most about that game. Yeah. If you just gave me a shot to go from the left flipper to the right flipper, I'd be happy. Okay. No, I agree. Yeah, there's a lot of missed opportunities out there for themes. Well, speaking of missed opportunity, you know, Jaws doesn't eat a ball. But you can correct this oversight. I can't wait until they block this with a code update, and then it will be all screwed for these people again. Can they block it? Well, you'd have to do a different switch, possibly, but you could. You could change the whole switch matrix if you really wanted to. Basically, Interactive Pinball has made a mod for the Pro, the Jaws Pro, where they have a shark that eats the ball. And it's $475. And I believe they already used up all the pre-orders already taken. It's actually surprisingly cheap, I've got to say. For a subway. Yeah, there's a moving shark, a full subway system. I feel like they underpriced on that one. They could have gone more and made some money. So did you buy a tech? So, yeah, what do you think about it, Zach? You have a Jaws. I think it looks ugly, and it makes it play worse. Yes. It doesn't help anything in the game. Would you buy it? So you would not buy it for your game? You would not buy it. If it only ate the ball at, like, the final phase of, like, the mode or something, and other times, like, the mouth was closed and it was a bash toy, maybe it'd be okay, but... I would get rid of it. Me, I would actually get rid of the Subway and just have a movable mouth open and closing, and then a kicker. Oh, comes out of the mouth? It kicks it right out of the mouth. I think the Subway is way better than a vomiting shark. I like vomiting sharks. Well, the thing is, the Subway makes it, like, no danger. You hit it in there, and it just gives up all of you. You get the mouth to still close and have a Subway for it to make any sense. Yeah, but it doesn't, so. I was watching someone play, and they just use it as a shot to just transfer the ball to the other flipper. Just like, I'll just shoot the shark. I like the shark. You know, the terrifying shark. What's the deal, Zach, with the switches it's using or something? Like it gives you a shot that it's... And a ramp shot. For some reason it drops it and registers the right ramp when it drops it. Like you could have dropped it after the switch, I would think. So not only is it a shot that gives you the... It's now like a dual progress shot. Yeah, which it shouldn't be. Wait until the coders have fun with that. So what could the coders do to make it not work, Bruce? Oh, anything they want. Coders have, like... Zach, what could the coders do to make it not work? Yeah, I don't know what Bruce is talking about here. Yeah, you can. You can say that the Switch now does something else in the whole rules. You can change the whole rule setup like they have done on other machines. I mean, it's the right ramp. It's got, like, labels on it. Yeah, I don't think you're changing the rules for the game because of a mod. Yeah, you can. No. I think you could. I think you could. I'm being totally honest. Zach, could they do that? I don't think so. There you go. He's the code guy. We can contact Ray for a second opinion. Yeah, I'll go with Zach on that one. I'm going with change. Oh, Jesus. All right, so Bruce's bet is that in the next few months, there's going to be a code update that somehow breaks this mod. Yes. Okay. Yeah, we'll say that. There you go. That's a measurable thing. We can wait and see. If it breaks it, I cannot wait. There was an LE delay for the JAWS LEs. That was weird to hear. That ended quick because I've already seen several unboxing videos of LEs now. Yeah. They made one batch of LEs. They had to stop. Oh. Yeah, they made, I don't know, like, say 750. Right before Mark's going to be made, they stopped. Because they said they don't have a part. And I'm thinking, like, back glass, art blades. Or fine art. Or art. Or whatever the thing they use for the cabinet or the, what is it called? It's like sparkly, whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. Oh, this is sparkle, too. something with the side. But I mean, that's it. Or the rails. The white rails there. That's just a laser cutter. I can't picture them having... Unless they're made wrong. That's a possibility. But even though there are so many fab shops that can make a piece of metal that shape. Like that should not be harder to source. Compared to like a back glass or sparkly decals, those are harder to source. Oh, true. But you never know. They could have got the first batch in, and then the second batch came in, and they were a quarter inch off. Now you're fucked. I will say, I saw one of the LEs, the back glass. The mirroring looks fantastic. It does. I will say. It's very similar to the Pro, right? Yeah. This one. But it's good art. Yeah. The mirroring around the shark, his teeth are mirrored. It looks really good. It looks really good. Really good. And I still don't see it. We'll see it soon, hopefully. Eventually. Since we're only going to have a pro... I'm going to be packing up the pro this afternoon, probably. Cool. Nice. Do you need help? Good. Fuck you, then. Wow. I've already got help coming. Oh, who do you got? Rob? Okay, good. All right, let's see what else we got here. Hey, Rob and Ron is a close name. We can put Rob as the person you have to beat. What? In Somp, you were saying if we get another Ron. Well, Rob's kind of close to that name. Not close enough. Okay. Only beating Ron counts. Okay. Yeah, because he's like the stomp master. The stomp master. I like when Bruce says something and we're both like, what? But at least I have a backup to it. But wait, do I say it and then you understand exactly? After like four attempts, we finally understand what you're saying. Yeah, that's not good. That means you're not clear. I was very clear. Listen back and you will hear it. I mean, he did enunciate properly. He just said words that don't make any sense. made perfect sense once I brought it up again. You said, oh, oh yeah. So, it made sense. Alright. The other news, the other big news, is the return of Papa. Yes. The Professional Amateur Pinball Association. The return of the Papa World Championships. In Chicago. It's going to be in Chicago this time. because it sounds like IFPA or Joshua ever paid a right fee to be able to use it there, and it's going to be at Antarium Arcade, which is in the mall there. Yeah. I think it's right by the airport. It feels like a weird location to try to host Papa. Like, it's not that spacious or anything. Well, is it any weirder than there's no cap. Yeah, which is weird. The place isn't that big. and it's got, what is it, 72 people in the final? Yeah. They're going to do A and B divisions, but basically the first 72 are in A and then 73 through 80 are in B. The finals are going to take days. Let's put EMs in there. Then we're good. They don't have any EMs there. No, we'll bring in EMs. They're supposed to be bringing in games. Yeah, they're bringing in games. So that's what I'm saying. You make the finals, EMs, and guess what? We'll have this done in three hours. but the thing is it's actually a charity tournament yes it is probably 10 of it will be going to the uh lyman memorial for suicide awareness yep a great great cause a charity this is going to be in september 5th through the 8th and that's the weekend after labor day this year right i remember correctly sure it's probably right it's going to be card format like it used to be before the last one where they did pump and dump they're going to have a classics but that's going to be pump and dump and I think the women's is going to be pump and dump too I think that's most of the info check it out, it's near the airport there's hotels all around there You see the old Sega location. I mean, I'm sure you can get Ubers cheap, and you get direct flights to Chicago. So check it out, man. I'm on the fence because it depends. You'll be out there two months almost. Yeah, just go close to Expo. It is. Well. It is. It's like six weeks away. That's not what I was thinking. I was thinking possibly going to the U.K. Oh, wow. Do you have your passport? What the hell? I've had my passport for years. I've never caught it anyway. Actually, mine's going to expire soon. Uh-oh. You better get ready on that because it takes about three or four months. I think it expires in 2025. Oh. Oh. Not that I still need it, but like, I need to actually think about it. Yeah, you need six months on your passport before going out of the country in most places. Really? Yes. Yes. So I get my passport, I'm still screwed? No, no. If you have your passport, but say you have four months left on your passport, some countries will say no. Wow. You only have a six-month visa. If you stay the whole six months, your passport's void. That's pretty mean. I don't think we need a six-month visa to go to the U.K. But I'm saying some people will go over there for, like, school and that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. Yes, that's what I'm saying. They have to go by the extreme rule than the unextreme rule. Hmm. All right. So that was Papa. I have on here also a note I made. I was, I think this was on Facebook. I saw a picture of a Bond 60th that had been put on location for some reason, and the play field looked like shit. The drop targets were. Where's the city? Well, the problem with this is, somebody didn't adjust it properly when they first got it. Well, for the drops. Yes, for the drops. The scoops are also chipping. No, there isn't a scoop. But, I mean, the drops were really bad. That was the worst part. So why do you guys think these playfields have these issues? I mean, I have games, you know, 90s Williams games in my basement that I've had far more plays than this thing will ever see that don't have anywhere like this. Too much clear. Too little clear. No, too much clear. Too little clear. Too much clear. Jesus. I don't think there's hardly any clear on those things at all. You say potato. It is like, I hate potato. Actually, on the sterns, yes. When you can feel over the inserts and you can feel the edges of the inserts, I shouldn't be able to feel that if you have a lot of clear on it. It's, like, so thin. But what were you saying, Zach, about, do you think it's the way they print the playfields? Yeah, I think it's something about, like, the way that they do the digital printing now does not want to adhere to the wood properly. Because you see, like, when they get rid of the ink around stuff, it's better. So, like, there has to be something about the ink itself that's affecting it as well as the clear. So digital printing as opposed to Marc Silk screen, the way it used to be done. But we see here, like, even, like, the scoop is all just bare wood, but that's still chipped. Yes, that's bad. That's bad. Goodie. Goodie. I mean, I guess they assume that since the scoop was so shallow, it didn't need, like, a cliffy on it, but apparently it does. Oh, yeah. See, like, any time the ball gets anywhere close to an edge of wood, you need to, like, have a giant area of no paint or protection. So what about your jaws, where the fin is? Yeah, it scares me. You've got this giant insert that causes air balls constantly, no matter how I adjust it. It drives me crazy. And around it, there's this tiny 1mm line of no paint, and then paint again. And you know when it's air balling, it's going to be jumping right over that line, smashing right into the regular wood. Yep. Lucky you, Zach. The air balls off that cause air balls to all hang behind it, so the ball's just dropping all over the play field and smashing into it again. So here's the funny thing. We're not going to talk about Jaws in the game play until me and Ron play it. Oh, yeah. I purposely, I've avoided most. You still haven't played it all, Bruce? No, I haven't. I've avoided most things about it, streams and stuff, because. Yes, I did too. I want to just try to figure it out myself, and I'm not that good at that, but I want to see if it's at least simple enough that I can get basic shit on it. Yeah. I got it. I set up. I went in completely blind. I hadn't seen a single stream or anything. Mm-hmm. How are you liking it so far, Zach? It was a bit confusing at first. Oh, God, I'm fucked. It was a bit confusing, but I started to figure out most of the rules, but then, like, I went and actually, like, saw all the people talking about the rules, and they're mentioning all these other things, and I'm like, what? Where did that come from? Like, there's this whole, like, hidden rule sets, like, doing stuff that there's no mention of on the screen whatsoever. Oh, God, it's Avengers. It's not that complicated, but it's just, like, it doesn't explain it right now. It's that bad. Oh. No. Avengers is still definitely the most, like, confusingly complicated game out there. Yay! So what do you think so far? Is it a keeper? Or is it going to be sold soon? I'm scared to keep that location too long, at least, just because of the whole airball thing. Like, I had to make, like, my own airball guard over the entire, like, right half the place. Wow. Because it was just, like, it was so bad. There's, like, every shot you made to, like, any of the right three shots would just airball every time. Excellent. Now it's just like, now it's an airball, but sometimes the ball just goes, and just stops and rolls back on the play field because it just got smacked up into the factor so hard. Smacking those balls around. It's going to be on location next week for the launch party, but like, I don't know. If I start seeing any damage at all, it gets off the floor again. Yeah, I don't blame you. Scares me. So, we'll see. The first code was not very good. It felt like pretty basic stuff, like, as far as, like, you know, like, there's some modes, there's the multiball, there's the fish finder stuff, but, like, there wasn't much going on to it. But the new mode, the new code added a few new things that definitely, like, added some more layers to it, so it's been more fun to play now. And I assume there'll be, like, another round of that coming in the future for the code update, so maybe we'll be able to keep it long-term or not, but... It's also not my style of layout, so it's got a hill to climb. Okay, well, what's your style of layout? Fun. I mean, Jurassic Park, you know, that's my style of layout. Okay. This one, it feels much more like a fan layout that just happens to have a mini-flipper on the side. That's true. But it is a cool little mini-flipper. It is a cool little mini-flipper. But unlike Jurassic Park or Avengers, when you go to get the flipper, you're taking shots off that thing. with this one, like, you can just not flip it, and it'll just go to your in lane every time. So my best games so far have come when I just don't flip the upper flipper, which is disappointing. Don't flip. Hmm. But they're trying to, it seems like they're adding more rules that make you want to use it more to, at least if you want big points. I'm trying to think of games with side flippers that you would never not flip. Dumb man. Like, yeah, Dumb and Dirty Harry. I never liked. Yeah, Drew. Let me just go past that thing. Captain Fantastic? No, that's the opposite. You never use the upper flipper. Well, Captain Fantastic, you just hold it up and let it bounce. Yeah, that's exactly, yeah. You do use the flipper, but not to make shots. Not to make shots, yeah. Yes. I mean, to be honest, Godzilla, like, you can play that game just fine with just, like, no flipping and then live catching. Yep. Even that, like, I felt like I wish I'd used the upper flipper more, but, like, with that one, you still have to successfully do the live catch, at least, but with Jaws, you don't have to do the live catch. If I designed a game with the upper flipper, I would want it so, like, you never want it to go past there. Like, you always want to use it to hit something. An earlier homebrew design that never got made, the upper flipper was just above the outlane. Well, there you go. And you're just like, well, you better flip that. So basically, like, the Roadshow mini flipper thing. Yeah, like, that one you do not ever want enough. Yeah. And can you trap it on that, kind of like on Jaws? I'm trying to remember. I don't think so. I don't think so at all. I have one now. The being able to hold the ball thing is really cool. Like, I can't think of any other game, like, beyond, like, a Premier or Lower Flipper game, where you can just, like, do the Premier, scoop it up a Flipper trap, like, but just like, oh, yeah, the ball fit here. Okay. Hmm. What am I going to shoot for? Do I want to shoot for this? Like, there's some fun potential there. They named it. Flip Lock. Yes, they did. Flip Lock. Flip Lock. Well, that's when you hold the action button to actually, like, lock it in place. Yeah. But they trademarked it. Yeah, I haven't actually used that at all, but I probably should. But just, like, even in single ball play, like, holding it, just giving a second, like, a breather, you know, while, like, everything pauses, and then you can take your shot, and you usually miss the shot. But it's very hard to make shots from that flipper reliably. Like, when you hold the flipper up and it traps it, it doesn't always trap in quite the same place. So when you take your shot afterwards, like, it's not a clean feed, so it's a bit of a mess. Okay. Okay. I'm still looking forward to it. Some Jaws action. And you'll be able to play it next week, Ron. Yes, I will. Yeah. All right. So, ball back time. Never gets old. Never gets old. What does get old is when I click on my email client and nothing happens. Yeah I had that problem with the calendar before Like what is it doing Is it thinking Let click on it again What email client do you use And it comes right up Maybe I didn't click it the first time. Ron doesn't like the internet anymore. He didn't computer. Thunderbird is what I use. Oh, yeah, get rid of that. Oh, jeez. Really had an issue with it. I use Claus now. Santa Claus? No, claws. Claws. Claw. We all like the claw. All right. Here we go. Oh, no. I almost... This guy's doing it about one of the voices I do, which I can't do right now. I feel bad. Zach says, Deer Slam Tilt. Not our Zach. What? Yeah, you didn't email us, did you, Zach? I don't think this is you. It's actually Zach S. Dear Slam Tilt, as an old school wrestling mark I cannot get enough of the American Dream voice It is easily my favorite bit I've even started doing it on my own at times not specifically talking about American when I do it Stay rad, never change Proud to consider myself a Slam Tilt degenerate or STD Oh man, that's right baby I'm feeling really sick today but I'm going to overcome it because I'm an American baby and Americans know how to overcome sickness. You know what I'm talking about, brother. Okay, let's see. This is from Cole. Hey there, Slam and Tilt. Last episode was awesome as usual. Nice. Just got to play Jaws Pro at Lynn's Arcade. I have to say that I liked it and the shots were good. Hear that, Zach? The feed from the left orbit shot that does the 180 and comes back to the left flipper is way faster than you might expect. It caught me off guard more than once, even though I knew it would come down fast to the flipper. I would have to say at this moment, the one has done it again, and the game plays good, and there are some cool shots. The upper reel spinner is fun to hit, and being able to trap the ball with the right mini flipper is cool. The moving fin drop target along with the red lights for Chum. Chum is also cool and really well done. You can actually see the fin move when it is down, so it looks like a shark swimming under the water. So, Bruce, you have an email client, right? Yes, I do. You can see these emails. I do. Can you take over this one? I can do this. Hold on. I've got to pull it up, so I wasn't expecting this. I always listen to them dry. Dry. God. The left orbit feed is so fast. I've had it where I forgot to flip, and it bounced off the tip of the other flipper and went back up the inline. Like, so fast it doesn't even drain if you flip. Wow. It makes it like you cannot make that shot half the time. Like, if it's coming down fast, like, your only hope is to, like, ski past it over and then backhand something afterwards. Because it's just too fast to actually aim with. Too fast. So which one do you want me to start on? Which one do you want me to start on? Ron calls. Okay. My subject, Jaws. I did the first paragraph, so start at the one thing. The one thing I never thought of while playing the game is, I wish there was a shark to eat the ball. Maybe Keith could have done it on a ramp. So we go into the shark's mouth and shoot out his ass when I went to the trap. While Josie is a good dude, listening to him go on moments in the game and being a little nitpicky about some things not being true to the movie, maybe he should have done a ball-eating shark, but you would only see it being used in the smile you son of a bitch wizard mode as the shark, as the ball the shark ate would be an oxygen tank and you would have to hit it to blow up to start the ball. That would have been pretty cool. Like a captive ball, like you shoot it in his mouth and it keeps it. The magnet holds it, yeah, the magnet holds it and then you have to hit it again. Basically it's like Lord of the Rings, the ring shot. You hold the first one, you gotta hit the ball back. That way I wouldn't blow it up. that way no mere mortal would see it work and it would be movie correct I laugh at the thought of it and imagine the crying then because I am sick like that alas it does not matter what I think as we all know it only matters what Bruce thinks of course what else is new thinks that has his world and we're just in it for a ride in it for the ride I'm not riding we're riding you're riding it Oh. One last thing. I have to agree with Bruce about spooky games, especially Rick and Morty. Every Rick and Morty could burst into flames and I would not shed a tear. Playing it in a tournament, plunge the ball, had it bounce on the top of the right sling, then hit the post next to the pop bumper and go straight down the middle. Sounds like he missed his skill shot. Ball saver time expired. Ball over. Score. Zero. Zero. What the hell is this? I didn't even hit a switch. What newer game doesn't have a play field validation of some sort? What a turd. One of your STDs, slam tilt degenerates, Cole. Thank you, Cole. We had another one from Daniel. Basically, he sent you a Craigslist ad from Seattle for a beautiful looking games back glass, the games. I didn't see that. Yeah. It's the next email. Okay. But, yeah, it looked really good. I know you don't have the games anymore, but... My buddy does, so maybe we can see if we can get it, you know. It's from Seattle Craigslist, so it's probably already solved. Yeah, guaranteed. Let's see. We've got the bastard son of Pinbot. Oh, yes. Read that one, please. Oh, God. Hello, Slam Tilt. I am so sorry to have confused your names. I only know all of your names from the official IFBA registry. From now on, I will appear for Duran as RH3 and Bruce as Bruce Jr. Oh, wow. That's what we're called there? I didn't know that. No, it's not because my father never played in the tournament, so I'm still just Bruce Nightingale. Dear RH3 and Bruce Jr., I am writing today to set the record straight on whether or not Dialed In sucks or not. Dialed In, as many of us know, is a game developed by the legendary game designer Pat Lawler. Pat Lawler has designed such classics as Adam's Family and Twilight. Wait! I have a text from a certain reputable that is texting me. Seriously, I know this cannot be true. Brought in reading this, so it must be. Level Zero is for sale. Wow, I didn't know this. It is? Yeah, Level Zero. Ron's beloved downstairs pinball collection and tournament headquarters hasn't been doing so well as of late. The first misstep was when Bram Stoker's Dracula was sold off because it was too hard. What a pussy. Then Ron started collecting, started his collection of criminally overrated Keith Elwin games. Way to follow the herd, sheep. Wow. Wow. Oh, here we go. And now, according to this very valid and true text I just received, it's all for sale. So, fanboys, time to jump the ship. Level Zero is in trouble. I think he's making fun of the, what was it, the pinball party podcast where the guy read the text on the air that American Pinball was for sale. Yeah, exactly. I just got that. That's how slow I am today. Yes. Wow, you are great. Oh, I'm fantastic. You heard it here first, folks, unless you're the pinball son, then you heard it here second. Yes. He's the one who gave you your nickname, which was awesome, and I can't remember what it was. It must be really awesome if you can't remember it. Yeah, what did he say? He sucks the energy. Or no, the energy vampire. Nice. That's what he called you, energy vampire. Yeah, this is going to be the lowest energy episode of the whole season. I apologize to everyone. It's my fault and not Ron's. Oh, bite me. Last one from Daniel. Hey, what's up, Slamtoe guys? Thanks for giving it to us nice and dry in episode 223. Oh, my. And since we have Zach, this is perfect. What are each of your top five early solid state Williams games? Oof. And why? I don't know if I can name five. I can't do five. I can do top three. I have to make a list. Yeah. I have to look at the list also. Let me do that first. I think it's only top three for me. No, maybe more. I think it's top five. How late is early? I'm thinking it's probably Space Shuttle. Space Shuttle? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'll go with that. Basically, numeric. No alphas. Let's see. Oh, God. Three? Well, I'll just say Black Knight because I've had it. It's the first game I ever got and I still have it. Oh, yeah. Black Knight and Jungle Lord. The only two I own anymore. Let's see. And why? Because it shoots awesome and it's Black Knight. It's Black Knight. It talks to me. It laughs at me when I drain. It has Magna Saves. It's great. It's fast. Oh, wait. Even though I don't have it anymore, I was supposed to say firepower. Just because for the multiball intro sequence, that basically just made the blueprint for multiball intro sequences from that point forward that goes on to this day. Well, not always. Some of the multiball intro sequences are not the greatest today, but they really should look back. They should learn from firepower. You stop the game, some real cool shit happens with a light show, sound, everything. I don't know. I'm struggling here, Bruce. I'm struggling. I'm not here. I am. I'm not. Third one, I guess those are the two I had. I wouldn't put Flash in there at this point. Yeah. No. Fuck you, Flash. I could put Jungle Lord there, especially when you learn the rules and like, wow, this thing's got a lot of shit in it for being this freaking old. This ball stays up the ass for a game like that. It was ahead of its time. It was way ahead of its time. And it has a buzzer. I love the buzzer. Was it the last game of a buzzer? Ooh. I don't think so. What else would have had a buzzer? If anyone knows if a game after Jungle Lord made 1981 had a buzzer, you can email us at slamtailpodcast at gmail.com. It's probably a European game somewhere. Yeah, I'm probably thinking that way. But it's a European buzzer, so it probably makes a different sound. Zach will buy you lunch if you can prove us wrong. Ooh. Ooh. Okay, do you want to be next Zach, or? Yeah, I mean, we got Black Knight, you know, number one, right there. Jungle Lord, number two. Uh, I'm looking at this list, but I'm still struggling to find number three. Uh, I guess you could put Algar in there somewhere? Yeah, baby! I think I just threw them in my mouth. Yeah, like number three just empty and then hot tip and Algar for four and five. I was going to say Algar. I was thinking a hot tip, but the EM is superior, so I couldn't. Well, the EM is superior, but the sauce is still good. Yes, exactly. So I was going to say hot tip was number four for me. So Algar number five, hot tip number four. Then we go to, I was going to say Barracora. I like Barracora. I do like it. But that's why it's number three, you know. It's like number six for me. Number two would have to be, I like Solar Fire. I really do. That's why it's downstairs. That's why it's still downstairs. And number one, it's the oddball of them all, Defender. Okay. I could put Warlock or Defender on the list, potentially, but I've never played one enough to get a feel for them still. Defender, I used to play the one that they used to bring to Expo and then they brought to the Ohio Pinball Game Show. Oh, I just love the shit out of that thing. The defender with the drop targets popping up and down and the side lock being hard like catacomb and that kind of stuff. Pretty cool. Yeah, I enjoyed playing it, but I don't know if I enjoyed it enough to not think of it just as a gimmick yet. No, I'd still go for it. You definitely play it when you see it. Oh, definitely. I mean, it's got the great William sounds. It's got the... Yeah, the sounds really make the game like, you know, you know, when you hear it. Yeah, it's really cool. You'd probably hope if I'd ever played the video game. Yeah. So that's it for that. All right. Do we want to do the Facebook thing? We've got some time. We can do it a little bit. We've got some time. I'll go to it now because... Yeah, let me bring it up Facebook. Bruce, you know, not realizing we already had a pretty... Nah. ...spoiled thing. He's like... I want our fans to be involved. Our fans to be involved. See? Daniel asked, what are your thoughts on scratch building some of the more sought-after classic Stern games, being that it's all your fault they got so popular and expensive. I think it's cool as hell people are building them. I think it's cool as hell. I don't think they're playing the same. Well, at least everyone I've played has had inaccuracies. Yes. Which is not cool. No. But the fact that somebody's like, I can't find a Dragon Fist. Fuck it. I'll build my own. I think it's cool. That's got no goal. I agree. I'm still waiting for someone to build the Laser Lord prototype. Jesus Christ there's only one in existence there's one in existence but the ROM is dumped like you should be able to load it and burn it and the boards are the same like get going can you host a tournament the day before the eclipse to give me an excuse to come to Rochester that's from Corey when's the eclipse? it's a Monday I think hold on it's the 8th of April it is a Monday Maybe. So we can have it the day before. It's Sunday. Sunday tournament. All right. Princess Bride. Robert Byers asked about Princess Bride, which we found out Bruce hates it. Yes. I know. Robert's probably really mad at me now. So mean. But it's got Andre the Giant in it. You should automatically like it. And Billy Crystal, too. Let's see. Maybe you just hate Andre the Giant movies. Conan the Destroyer. What do you think about that one? Not bad. Okay. Not bad. Not as good as the first movie. No. Andre the Giant's the whatever, the big creature at the end there. Yeah. And I just remember, who else is in that? Will Chamberlain. Yes. Oh, and Grace Jones. Yes, Grace Jones. I don't know the cast. Yeah. Derek asks, thoughts on newly revised JJP power driver boards? Were you talking about that? Man, we're really nailing it this time. We're nailing it. Serpent Safari still needs four votes, Glenn says. So come on. Yep. Oh, God. Tom, Bruce, I hug Ron for you. Oh, God. Cohen says, hi, STDs. A full deep dive on Jaws, please. I can't really give that. Yeah, we're going to next week. We'll do it next show. Me and Bruce haven't even played it. Yeah. And Zach doesn't even understand the rules, which scares me. No, I understand most of them now. Now. I just had to read the rule sheets and then correct the rule sheets and then talk with a bunch of the people on Discord. Oh, God, no. That's too hard. And then ask questions. And one of the coders came in to answer things. And now I've mostly figured it out. Ah, that's just, that's too hard. I was watching on IE Pinball. They were streaming Pulp Fiction. And he was trying to get to the wizard mode. And I didn't need any description or any explanation. Like, it's like, okay, I get it. And it was pretty self-explanatory, I thought. Anyone else watch that or no? I watched like five minutes and got bored. You get bored easy. So, yeah, we'll have that in two weeks. The Jaws. Anthony asks, your top five picks of 1980s pins that need a modern version or sequel. God, top five? No. Black Knight. They already had one. Two. Obviously, Zach thinks they need more. Yay. I still want a modern version of the original. Black Knight Sword of Rage is like a modern version of 2000. So we're still missing, you know, the other thing. Oh. F14 Tomcat, the sequel. Top Gun. Maverick. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. I think people would hate that layout so much in modern times. And if you tried to, like, make a new layout that was still, like, inspired by the old layout, it'd be really hard. It's so unique. Unique. Oh, oh, I got one. I got one. I got it. I got one. I don't have five, but I have one good one. Flash Gordon. A modern version. So many people have done it anyway where they put the Queen music on there. Yeah, I need a soundtrack. I'll take it. Get the soundtrack, LCD, movie clips. I got one. A real Empire Strikes Back alone. Oh, okay. Instead of the Hankin one? Yeah, you get a real good version. That's during Star Wars. No, that Star Wars sucks. No, it does the movie video. No, it does not. It sucks. You've got a fun multiball for it and everything. No, it does not. No. Nope. Fail, fail, fail. It's a great game, Bruce. Why can't you see this? I can see everything. I can see clearly now the game sucks. It's Dwight's masterpiece. Yeah, great. He had a real nice streak there, you know, three in a row. Hey, don't forget, you know, the first art critic, what they did in History of the World Part I. What did they do? They peed on it. Oh. The wall art. Okay. Brad says, Beavis and Butthead. Okay. Yes. Oh, full breakdown of the shows. Oh, the latest episodes. No, no. No. Go watch them. Go watch them. Watch them a lot. Go watch them. Yeah. Especially the last season was fucking awesome. It was. Really good. David says, just the dirt. We only want the dirt. Wait a minute. Isn't Stargate like mining quartz and dirt? I mean, Waterworld really has five kilos of dirt. Oh, Waterworld. So you want Waterworld. The exact mechanic is Stargate, but with dirt instead of quartz. He wants Waterworld. Okay, there you go. More Waterworld in the world. Let's see. Best Williams Early Solid States. There you go. We gave those. Yes. How to get the correct tombstones for Christopher Doyle on early Stern electronic games and how to fix the random drop target fails on said CERN electronic machines. Please and thank you. He says, I'm kind of disappointed, Mark, on pinball eyeballs sell the incorrect hooded bally style drops, but I'm really surprised the pinball resource does as well. I figured Steve wouldn't tolerate such foolishness. Well, he doesn't have a hot press machine or anything like that for the newer stuff. No, he does. I know, but he does it only for gollies. I think the meter targets are hot press that he makes. They are. Yep. Hot stamp. But there are molds for the other stuff. Yeah, molds for the other stuff, yeah. As far as the correct Tombstone targets, I mean, if you don't have originals, there's a guy who sells the 3T printed ones up inside. Yeah. Have you guys tried those yet? I haven't tried them. So I can't really. Well, I can see people buying them for Dragon Fist because they want the red. Well, but they're not Tombstone. Well, yeah, you can get, yeah. I think he sells all the different ones. He does. Was it Swinks or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, something like that. It also has the plastic pop bumpers for the sterns. Yeah. So, you guys really need to get on that and try them out. Yeah, try them out. I don't need to. I have plenty of space. It's not like we have a location that we could stress test the things in, you know, or anything. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go. Let's see. Matt, it's Jets draft options. This has to be for your Bruce. Yeah, it is. Mr. Quanson. Can LEDs save the team? No. LEDs cannot save. Nothing can save LEDs. No, LEDs cannot save anything. It's always bad. Except back glasses. Except for possibly back glasses. And pop-upers burning up. Yeah, and pop-upers. And plastics burning. And lane guides and plastics. And inserts warping due to extreme heat. Oh, my. Other than that, no, they don't help anything. And you have more chance of clowning. That's true. That is true. The danger of clowning is imminent whenever you're touching LEDs. It's much more tempting to clown when you have LEDs. It's much easier, yeah. Michael, Antonio Cruz News. Antonio Cruz News. Had a great time. Got to see three different locations. Got to see some ruins in Mexico. Was there any pinball machines in the ruins? None. I did not see one pinball machine at all. Look at your back now, then. I know. I haven't played a pinball machine in probably three weeks. Oh, yeah, that's not true. Yesterday I did. I've played a couple games of Solar Fire. Finally broke his fast. It's fasting. I was fasting. All right, last one. And this is perfect because this would be one of our last subjects anyway. Rob wants to know about repairs. He wants 100% all repairs, scrap everything else, even the intro and the outro music. Repairs. I haven't done much because I was away, but I have a list of what I have to do downstairs for League Night in three weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks. we have until League Night. How did League Night go last time, Mr. Zach? We didn't get to really talk about that. There weren't many repairs. That's good. Yeah, we went to a new location, the Arcade Project, in the middle of nowhere, upstate New York. Wasn't actually as far out as I expected it to be, but still was a distance away from anything else that existed. We had to take out Gold Strike because it was just randomly adding or subtracting two balls to the one sometimes. Nice. That wasn't good. And we had to take out Star Trek because it lost the digit on a display. We took out Rapid Fire because it's Rapid Fire. Yeah. And Hercules is already dead because it's Hercules. Yeah, poof. But the rest of the games functioned. We played some games on them. There you go. And I lost some of the games. Yeah, that was one of your worst nights, wasn't it? Not my worst night, no. My worst night was when I played Toy Story. Oh, yeah. But I want them stars. They'll sound good. Stars is always good. Yeah, I put new meteor targets in. I think I said that last episode, though, didn't I? Yes, you did. Because they were all warped. I had to heat cut them and all. Yeah. I put the IO board in. That was pretty easy. Oh, actually, no, it wasn't. I forgot. Before I even replaced the IO board, I wanted to go in the backbox just to familiarize myself with how the hell it looks because I hadn't been in there since I got the game. which says something positive about the cam, I guess, because I know you guys hate it. I couldn't get the fucking trans light out, the back glass. It's frozen in there? Have you ever opened it before? Yes. It wouldn't turn all the way, I could tell. The cam was like not, it couldn't get past a certain point. So I had to take, thank God they used the same security torx bits that Williams used. I was able to get that part loose and get the whole top loose so I could get the fucking thing out. And I had to take the cam and just bend it. I just bent it. Okay. I bent it one way and then back the other way so it's a little shorter lengthwise. And now, perfect. Now it's perfect. Perfect. That was annoying that that was like that. I had one of the sterns I got that had the cam was all, like, bent to shit. and the back glass was like just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, because it wasn't in position. Well, I did have some repairs for myself. I know Zach's going to be so happy. What's this turn that has the big flipper? Hot. Hot hand. Hot hand. The soundboard's fixed, guys. One of the owners. One bad chip on it. I got it. It was bad. Here's the way they fixed it. They cut the speaker lines to feed the speaker. They cut the two leads to the speaker. That's how you fix a sound problem in some of these games. So I had to re-flutter it, and then we fixed the board, and now we have sound. So now it's going to re-rubbering and flipper rebuilds and a couple pop bumper rebuilds. And then hopefully we'll have another game at the RPC. They cut it? They couldn't just turn the volume all the way down? Nope, they didn't. They just cut it. Oh. Okay. Gotta love people. That's kind of dumb. Yes, it is. Why, yes, yes, it is. Don't you have to do a play field swap first on that, Bruce? Nope. Nope. I'm going to leave that so it gets destroyed, then I have the play field to do it later on. The cheetah technique. Yes. And what's wrong with that? And the stargazer technique. Yeah. And what's wrong with that? You haven't swapped any of them yet. I'm doing the Quicksilver still. I'm almost done with that. No, we don't have Quicksilver. Yes, we do. because we know Zach loves it. Yes, it's great. Green penises are where it's at. Green penises always. Maybe a rebuilt, a from scratch built Quicksilver would be better because then the spinners would suck more. Would suck more? Oh, yeah. You don't like that it's biased. It's too biased. It's too overpowered, yeah. My 80 spins is too much. How about you have Scott change the rules so the timer cuts out after 10 seconds? Then you would like it more. it'd be more like an alien star. Or a black knight. And if it senses two aliens in a row from a shaft, it automatically turns itself back off again. Turns back off. I like that. Wow. That would be even better. But now picture if we just disabled the alien switches. Think about it. Then you go for drop targets all day. Yeah. And it still becomes one. It'll be more fun. No. No. It's fine. It's fine. I like your idea of timing it out. Like it turns off. Like an alien star with that? Then it would be good. It would definitely be better like that. It would be definitely better. And there's not really anything else time that games. There's mostly spare timers to use. Okay, guys. This has been episode 224 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. We're losing Ron. Ron's hitting puberty. You can hear it. This is a piece over Slam Tilt. Can I take your order, please, sir? Who's a friend of Beaver the Butthead? The third one. Stewart. Yeah, Stewart. You got the voice of Stewart. He never sounded like that. He was whiny. He was whiny. He was whiny. Yes, so I apologize for the sickness, the voice and all that stuff. But if you want to meet the Slam Tilt crew, you can come to RPC next weekend. Well, actually, when I release this, it will be this weekend. Whatever. Let's give it an actual date. So it will be the first weekend of March. Friday the 1st is the women's tournament. And Saturday the 2nd is the general. March 2nd, the general. Yes. He plays some Jaws with us. Yes. As we play it the first time. And we can all discover it together. Yes. You can hear us complain about that. You can hear us all complain about it. Well, we'll hear Bruce complain because he complains about everything. I complain about everything. Yes, you do. and then hopefully we can show you behind the scenes ah so hi hi everyone in the Cluster Vogue fun with bonus hi Zach again our website is www I said again but I never said again www.slamtailpodcast.com that's www.slamtailpodcast.com our upper right hand corner is all our links. I actually did stream recently. We had a father and son battle. I might start streaming some of that more often. Probably not this Sunday because it's going to sound like shit. But who knows? Maybe I will. Who knows? Because it'll be over. We can play all the old scurns that he can beat me at over and over again. I think that's it, man. I'm totally out of it. I apologize. I apologize in advance for all the clicking that Zach is doing. and all the other, the breathing that Bruce is doing I won't be able to edit out and all the other things that you'll hear. I breathe a lot, you know, because that's part of life. He's a heavy, heavy breather, Bruce, you know. One of us don't breathe as much as Bruce does. Exactly, yeah. I take in more oxygen. Wow, yeah, he takes in more oxygen. He's got a, you know, supply. I was actually counting at one point. I think he took a four breath for every breath I took. Yeah, exactly. Maybe it's my emphysema kicking in. Oh, God. Oh, God. All right. Oh, my God. You've got to save that as the cutout. No, we're still going. We haven't edited it yet. I know. Yes, and we can be emailed at slamtelpodcast at gmail.com. That's slamtelpodcast at gmail.com. Thank you for all your emails. Yes, and all your comments on Facebook that really shows that, hey, we're doing something. We actually reach a couple people in this world. We reached for them, and they slapped our hand away. No. The trippy voting was surprising. I have to say, after we told you not to vote first, you voted first anyway. Yes, thank you. Being true STDs, as you are. And we're very happy with that. We beat Silver Bowl Chronicles, so that's always a big plus for us. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's a big, big plus. Silver Bowl Chronicles, yes. Who else did we beat? Stop. Stop, Bruce. You got the name? What? You got the name? I have the name, of course. Okay. Thanks, Zach. You're welcome. Yep. And don't forget, tickets go on sale the 2nd at 12 o'clock. So on your way to the Jaws thing, you can sign up there or sign up at the RPC. What time does the sign-up start on Saturday? Is it early or is it late? Qualify begins at 1 p.m. So we open at 12. So you can sign up. Doors open at noon. You can sign up. Hand me cash, and that will make you a guaranteed spot. Mm-hmm. Or you can do it right then and there at the place. So come on down. We're going to do it at 12 o'clock. Come on out, everybody. Come on down. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Ryan Barry. We'll be right back. Give you love Give you hate Turn it dark Be my princess Love Oh my Oh my Oh my Oh my you