INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs - Quarterfinals

IE Pinball·video·1h 33m·analyzed·Oct 16, 2023

Analysis

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TL;DR

INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs quarterfinals coverage with gameplay analysis and player commentary.

Summary

IE Pinball coverage of INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs quarterfinals (Round of 16), featuring detailed play-by-play commentary of multiple games including Doodle Bug, The Wizard, and Stargazer. Hosts Jon Hey, Emily, and Derek discuss player performances, game mechanics, setup conditions, and tournament dynamics while observing high-level competitive play.

Key Claims

First round had a tiebreak on Swift The Champ with a 3-for-1 result, and Jean had 50,000 on ball one which was most people's best game
high confidence · Jon Hey and Emily discussing first round qualifying results
Players cannot pick the same game twice in the tournament format
high confidence · Jonathan discussing tournament rules for game selection
On Doodle Bug, one player earlier got a thousand rollover going with a score of 16,167
medium confidence · Commentators observing in-progress gameplay on Doodle Bug
Flag 2 on The Wizard is permanently on due to an issue that came up during qualifying
high confidence · Emily explaining tournament-specific rule modification
Andrew won classic target match play and came back on the last group, ending at around 395,000
medium confidence · Commentators discussing Andrew's previous tournament performance
The left Stargazer was unusually slippery and difficult to trap on flippers compared to the second Stargazer in the women's division
high confidence · Derek describing his personal experience playing Stargazer
Sorcerer has a modified lock rule requiring three drop targets for the first set of locks, then one set per lock thereafter in multiball
high confidence · Derek discussing Sorcerer's tournament modifications and gameplay
Colin's score of 186,000 on The Wizard is a very high qualifying score, mentioned as being over $100 threshold for meaningful qualification
high confidence · Commentators observing Colin's final score and noting it was misread initially as 71,000

Notable Quotes

“the players beat the number one scoring qualifying yep more than one player yeah we'll do it in the same round”
Jonathan@ 2:48 — Observation about playoff tournament dynamics where mid-tier qualifiers often outperform top seeds
“yeah these games the Tilt was fair as well”
Derek@ 5:21 — Commentary on tournament machine setup quality and fairness
“that's the epitome of like a one ball game exactly and you have to just shrug off the other four that are just terrible”
Emily@ 16:12 — Analysis of variance and luck in classic EM gameplay on Doodle Bug
“I love this game because it's like you get runs and they're like your bonus and it's it's awesome”
Jonathan@ 16:36 — Enthusiasm for classic EM baseball-themed game mechanics
“I I I love Stargazer and this was the squires slipperiest Stargazer I've ever played like you could not trap it on a flipper”
Derek@ 25:17 — Specific complaint about one Stargazer machine's setup affecting gameplay
“you know I've been told to yeah practice it I practiced it on some games but yeah I'm just so scared of it”
Emily@ 22:07 — Honest discussion of skill gaps and player confidence in advanced techniques
“yeah I was thinking that The Wizard would be like the last game cuz that's where we went to but I see two other people two other groups playing”

Entities

Jon HeypersonEmilypersonDerek PRpersonArvidpersonAndrewpersonJeanpersonColinpersonGermainepersonTimpersonShannonperson

Signals

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event_signal: INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs quarterfinals (Round of 16) being streamed and commentated live by IE Pinball
high · Multiple rounds of matches shown with player names, scores, and game selection; hosts providing real-time commentary on qualifying and playoff progression
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operational_signal: Mixed quality of machine setup across tournament lineup; specific issues noted including Stargazer flipper slipperiness, The Wizard dead bounce feed inconsistency, and varying flipper power on different machines
high · Derek comments 'squires slipperiest Stargazer I've ever played like you could not trap it on a flipper'; Emily notes The Wizard dead bounce 'doesn't always work'; commentary on varying spinner power on Stargazer
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competitive_signal: Tournament observation that mid-tier qualifiers frequently outperform top seeds in playoff rounds, suggesting qualifying format may not perfectly predict playoff success
high · Jonathan: 'the players beat the number one scoring qualifying yep more than one player yeah we'll do it in the same round'
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design_innovation: Discussion of EM game design elements including dangly targets on Grand Slam, dead bounce feeds on The Wizard, and various spinner mechanics across different games
medium · Detailed analysis of Grand Slam dangly targets, The Wizard feed behavior, and Stargazer/Doodle Bug spinner mechanics throughout broadcast
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gameplay_signal: High variance in EM pinball outcomes, especially on games like Doodle Bug where one exceptional ball can determine match outcome despite poor performance on other balls

Transcript

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0:11

hey everybody hey what's going on Welcome to the second round of Classics one right Classics one it's the round of 16 is that my math right yep yes awesome I'm Jonathan soon I'm Emily and I'm Derek PR and hope we're here to guide you through round uh two I guess uh I don't know which group we're going to be following I mean I don't know who's in the top group I'm guessing that would be the top group though yeah group three group three we just got a uh a sign signal cool I got a yeah it's a the first round action was pretty good yeah there was a tie break on swif champ that was very exciting that was a three for one yeah okay yep yeah and then Jean had 50,000 on ball one and I think I think that was most people's uh game yeah so um and 4,000 only separated the other two players the other two yeah was very close yeah it was it was a good match I I wonder what they'll pick this time I I don't believe that anyone can pick again right I believe that's correct and there were no Buys so the the top seeds will still be top seeds okay going in so maybe someone defers I don't know yeah who knows we'll see um yeah there's there's so many games though I guess it's it's beneficial if in your group you you know who you're playing with and and whatnot but only needing to qualify on four games it's it's not like you can look at the the standings and see what they played you know how did you guys go with qualifying did you try it for the classics tried tried is very is a very is a very like descriptive and correct I played two cards and I had some good games but they were on the opposite cards and I'm also not very good at Classic so it's uh it's all right I'm fine with it yeah they they were I mean they were fair I I don't think there were any games that were playing too rough it just definitely but Classics are going to be Classics did you put any entries on yourself yeah I tried one and I was I was feeling it so I was I went for the second one it was just two good games and then two like m games and it and on a four card game you just need everything has to be really really good um so you catch a little lightning appreciate the players that made it through because you know that they had a great card for sure yeah well just watching the play I mean you could already see that they're they're really good and we're going to see more of that it's uh the players turn it on a little bit as soon as they get into playoffs um the the scores so often you see and we're going to see it in this round that uh the players beat the number one scoring qualifying yep uh more than one player yeah we'll do it in the same same round uh I see the rig moving oh no is it is it going to be Rock might be Rock please not rock I think it's too far left to be Rock so maybe it's this looks as this I think it's AZ techie yeah orle bug yeah that I mean that' be pretty awesome it's always fun to stream uh Doodle Bug it is uh uh some person earlier got the Thousand re going and put up 16 167 oh it's already going all right this is the now we're joining our game in progress is it in progress or 30 seconds of practice it's in progress I guess on score it looks like it's in progress and it looks like player one no one's done too much player one's at 126 and everyone else is around 20,000 uh Jean's doing all right with 40 something spiners lit it is Big spinner right there and the The Spinners as they should be completely Juiced welcome to SoCal yeah check them for Peds those things are juice so yeah that one alone was probably 60,000 oh so close that spinner there yeah you know if you're going to miss as long as you can maybe take a letter out and get your double uh double bonus lit um that is also kind of beneficial and I do not remember which letters you need to take down to to get the double bonus lit um it'll either be on the candy cane or on the spinner shot once once it's there okay now it's lit on both so there he goes double bonus so that's 60,000 in the bank plus if this goes in the correct one uh another 70,000 wow Point rip yeah that's that's a good ball one though you you're yeah that is definitely solid for the first ball two what 2.5 above player one yeah so we have young Avid here oh getting the a nice he's been playing great his open qualifiers everything has just been solid from this kid very consistent yeah I want to call him an up andc Comer but he's he's more just a prodigy yeah I think that's definitely the way he should call it yeah all right nice move he's he's going for the alley pass uh I did not attempt it on this game did any of you guys I didn't play this game yeah okay I had three house gos yep yeah at least you got to play two right oh there it is yeah the rolling uh alley pass that's just something that it's tough to practice unless you have one of these games at home yeah and it seems the the tilt's pretty liberal too I think my voice just cracked but we're going to ignore that a lot of these games the Tilt was fair as well yeah yep yeah I yeah I I agree with that I think that's something that I forget to do is is just really like nudge into the game as much uh I'll do it at home or at you know bar machines but as soon as I get to a tournament for some reason I get fragile and it's it's well yeah with most of the machines you would think that they set up super tight but yeah these machines were quite Fair yeah I think what happens you get burned by one like one that's a tight tail EG for everything else yeah yeah especially if it's a wedge head yep all right Andy Rosa gets the a a lights the spinner right there y yeah Center center lane lights the spinner oh that was unlucky missed one shot and then for it y yeah so if you're aiming for the candy cane it's way later on the left flipper than you think uh and that's what happened you're talking about this right just make yeah so if it's coming off the left flipper it just seems like it's kind of an earlier shot but you will go right up into super late but then when you miss that you can hit some of these Targets on the right and then it will just kill you down the out line yeah yeah you get Advanced bonus for all your troubles and that's about it uh yeah the the spinner shot is the the Middle Lane is the most key in this game and then you just don't want it ever to go back in there right because you want the advanced bonus instead and it's nice when you get that pop pumper action back and

Derek@ 27:26 — Commentary on tournament logistics and group scheduling

“I just want this to be difficult just my Pride Pinball my you know it's it's but it I mean it it plays just fine”

Derek@ 27:45 — Self-aware commentary about personal frustration with machine setup vs. objective fairness

Pinball at the Labvenue

high · Emily: 'that's the epitome of like a one ball game exactly and you have to just shrug off the other four that are just terrible'; commentary on Jean's 50,000 ball one vs poor remaining balls

regulatory_signal: Flag 2 on The Wizard set to permanently on due to an issue identified during qualifying rounds, representing mid-tournament rule adjustment

high · Emily: 'flag 2 is permanently on I think um because of a issue that came up during qualifying'

community_signal: Open discussion among commentators about player skill gaps, particularly regarding advanced techniques like alley pass and tap pass, with acknowledgment of practice requirements

medium · Emily discussing difficulty with alley pass and fear of recovery mistakes; Derek noting he couldn't find spinners on slippery Stargazer; general discussion of technique practice needs

product_concern: Variation in flipper feel and ball control between different copies of the same game (e.g., two different Stargazers with notably different play characteristics)

high · Derek: 'we have the second stargazers in the women so I was very used to that Stargazer and I was like I'll try the other Stargazer and I couldn't find any of the Spinners'

venue_signal: Pinball at the Lab hosting INDISC 2023 tournament with multiple machines in rotation and group-based playoff structure

high · Multiple references to 'pinball at the lab' and discussion of group assignments, machine rotation, and rig positioning during matches

content_signal: IE Pinball producing multi-camera live stream coverage with real-time commentary team providing detailed play-by-play and technical analysis

high · Three-person commentary team with specialized roles, detailed score tracking, camera positioning commentary ('rig is moving'), viewer count mentions ('just got Blackwater 100 new viewers')