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INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs - Quarterfinals

IE Pinball·video·1h 33m·analyzed·Oct 16, 2023
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TL;DR

INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs quarterfinals coverage with gameplay analysis and player commentary.

Summary

IE Pinball coverage of INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs quarterfinals (Round of 16), featuring detailed play-by-play commentary of multiple games including Doodle Bug, The Wizard, and Stargazer. Hosts Jon Hey, Emily, and Derek discuss player performances, game mechanics, setup conditions, and tournament dynamics while observing high-level competitive play.

Key Claims

  • First round had a tiebreak on Swift The Champ with a 3-for-1 result, and Jean had 50,000 on ball one which was most people's best game

    high confidence · Jon Hey and Emily discussing first round qualifying results

  • Players cannot pick the same game twice in the tournament format

    high confidence · Jonathan discussing tournament rules for game selection

  • On Doodle Bug, one player earlier got a thousand rollover going with a score of 16,167

    medium confidence · Commentators observing in-progress gameplay on Doodle Bug

  • Flag 2 on The Wizard is permanently on due to an issue that came up during qualifying

    high confidence · Emily explaining tournament-specific rule modification

  • Andrew won classic target match play and came back on the last group, ending at around 395,000

    medium confidence · Commentators discussing Andrew's previous tournament performance

  • The left Stargazer was unusually slippery and difficult to trap on flippers compared to the second Stargazer in the women's division

    high confidence · Derek describing his personal experience playing Stargazer

  • Sorcerer has a modified lock rule requiring three drop targets for the first set of locks, then one set per lock thereafter in multiball

    high confidence · Derek discussing Sorcerer's tournament modifications and gameplay

  • Colin's score of 186,000 on The Wizard is a very high qualifying score, mentioned as being over $100 threshold for meaningful qualification

    high confidence · Commentators observing Colin's final score and noting it was misread initially as 71,000

Notable Quotes

  • “the players beat the number one scoring qualifying yep more than one player yeah we'll do it in the same round”

    Jonathan@ 2:48 — Observation about playoff tournament dynamics where mid-tier qualifiers often outperform top seeds

  • “yeah these games the Tilt was fair as well”

    Derek@ 5:21 — Commentary on tournament machine setup quality and fairness

  • “that's the epitome of like a one ball game exactly and you have to just shrug off the other four that are just terrible”

    Emily@ 16:12 — Analysis of variance and luck in classic EM gameplay on Doodle Bug

  • “I love this game because it's like you get runs and they're like your bonus and it's it's awesome”

    Jonathan@ 16:36 — Enthusiasm for classic EM baseball-themed game mechanics

  • “I I I love Stargazer and this was the squires slipperiest Stargazer I've ever played like you could not trap it on a flipper”

    Derek@ 25:17 — Specific complaint about one Stargazer machine's setup affecting gameplay

  • “you know I've been told to yeah practice it I practiced it on some games but yeah I'm just so scared of it”

    Emily@ 22:07 — Honest discussion of skill gaps and player confidence in advanced techniques

  • “yeah I was thinking that The Wizard would be like the last game cuz that's where we went to but I see two other people two other groups playing”

Entities

Jon HeypersonEmilypersonDerek PRpersonArvidpersonAndrewpersonJeanpersonColinpersonGermainepersonTimpersonShannonperson

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: INDISC 2023 Classics I Playoffs quarterfinals (Round of 16) being streamed and commentated live by IE Pinball

    high · Multiple rounds of matches shown with player names, scores, and game selection; hosts providing real-time commentary on qualifying and playoff progression

  • ?

    operational_signal: Mixed quality of machine setup across tournament lineup; specific issues noted including Stargazer flipper slipperiness, The Wizard dead bounce feed inconsistency, and varying flipper power on different machines

    high · Derek comments 'squires slipperiest Stargazer I've ever played like you could not trap it on a flipper'; Emily notes The Wizard dead bounce 'doesn't always work'; commentary on varying spinner power on Stargazer

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    competitive_signal: Tournament observation that mid-tier qualifiers frequently outperform top seeds in playoff rounds, suggesting qualifying format may not perfectly predict playoff success

    high · Jonathan: 'the players beat the number one scoring qualifying yep more than one player yeah we'll do it in the same round'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Discussion of EM game design elements including dangly targets on Grand Slam, dead bounce feeds on The Wizard, and various spinner mechanics across different games

    medium · Detailed analysis of Grand Slam dangly targets, The Wizard feed behavior, and Stargazer/Doodle Bug spinner mechanics throughout broadcast

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: High variance in EM pinball outcomes, especially on games like Doodle Bug where one exceptional ball can determine match outcome despite poor performance on other balls

Topics

Tournament format and game selection rulesprimaryEM pinball gameplay mechanics and strategyprimaryMachine setup and fairness (flipper slipperiness, tilt sensitivity, dead bounces)primaryPlayer skill development and technique (alley pass, tap pass, shot accuracy)primaryPlayoff match dynamics and scoring variancesecondaryTournament rule modifications and their impactsecondaryMedia commentary on competitive playsecondaryClassic EM machine characteristics and design philosophymentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Commentators are enthusiastic about tournament play, player performances, and game quality. Minor frustrations expressed about specific machine setup issues (Stargazer slipperiness) but overall tone is appreciative of both games and players. Derek's playful complaint about Stargazer being too hard is self-aware and humorous rather than genuinely negative.

Transcript

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hey everybody hey what's going on Welcome to the second round of Classics one right Classics one it's the round of 16 is that my math right yep yes awesome I'm Jonathan soon I'm Emily and I'm Derek PR and hope we're here to guide you through round uh two I guess uh I don't know which group we're going to be following I mean I don't know who's in the top group I'm guessing that would be the top group though yeah group three group three we just got a uh a sign signal cool I got a yeah it's a the first round action was pretty good yeah there was a tie break on swif champ that was very exciting that was a three for one yeah okay yep yeah and then Jean had 50,000 on ball one and I think I think that was most people's uh game yeah so um and 4,000 only separated the other two players the other two yeah was very close yeah it was it was a good match I I wonder what they'll pick this time I I don't believe that anyone can pick again right I believe that's correct and there were no Buys so the the top seeds will still be top seeds okay going in so maybe someone defers I don't know yeah who knows we'll see um yeah there's there's so many games though I guess it's it's beneficial if in your group you you know who you're playing with and and whatnot but only needing to qualify on four games it's it's not like you can look at the the standings and see what they played you know how did you guys go with qualifying did you try it for the classics tried tried is very is a very is a very like descriptive and correct I played two cards and I had some good games but they were on the opposite cards and I'm also not very good at Classic so it's uh it's all right I'm fine with it yeah they they were I mean they were fair I I don't think there were any games that were playing too rough it just definitely but Classics are going to be Classics did you put any entries on yourself yeah I tried one and I was I was feeling it so I was I went for the second one it was just two good games and then two like m games and it and on a four card game you just need everything has to be really really good um so you catch a little lightning appreciate the players that made it through because you know that they had a great card for sure yeah well just watching the play I mean you could already see that they're they're really good and we're going to see more of that it's uh the players turn it on a little bit as soon as they get into playoffs um the the scores so often you see and we're going to see it in this round that uh the players beat the number one scoring qualifying yep uh more than one player yeah we'll do it in the same same round uh I see the rig moving oh no is it is it going to be Rock might be Rock please not rock I think it's too far left to be Rock so maybe it's this looks as this I think it's AZ techie yeah orle bug yeah that I mean that' be pretty awesome it's always fun to stream uh Doodle Bug it is uh uh some person earlier got the Thousand re going and put up 16 167 oh it's already going all right this is the now we're joining our game in progress is it in progress or 30 seconds of practice it's in progress I guess on score it looks like it's in progress and it looks like player one no one's done too much player one's at 126 and everyone else is around 20,000 uh Jean's doing all right with 40 something spiners lit it is Big spinner right there and the The Spinners as they should be completely Juiced welcome to SoCal yeah check them for Peds those things are juice so yeah that one alone was probably 60,000 oh so close that spinner there yeah you know if you're going to miss as long as you can maybe take a letter out and get your double uh double bonus lit um that is also kind of beneficial and I do not remember which letters you need to take down to to get the double bonus lit um it'll either be on the candy cane or on the spinner shot once once it's there okay now it's lit on both so there he goes double bonus so that's 60,000 in the bank plus if this goes in the correct one uh another 70,000 wow Point rip yeah that's that's a good ball one though you you're yeah that is definitely solid for the first ball two what 2.5 above player one yeah so we have young Avid here oh getting the a nice he's been playing great his open qualifiers everything has just been solid from this kid very consistent yeah I want to call him an up andc Comer but he's he's more just a prodigy yeah I think that's definitely the way he should call it yeah all right nice move he's he's going for the alley pass uh I did not attempt it on this game did any of you guys I didn't play this game yeah okay I had three house gos yep yeah at least you got to play two right oh there it is yeah the rolling uh alley pass that's just something that it's tough to practice unless you have one of these games at home yeah and it seems the the tilt's pretty liberal too I think my voice just cracked but we're going to ignore that a lot of these games the Tilt was fair as well yeah yep yeah I yeah I I agree with that I think that's something that I forget to do is is just really like nudge into the game as much uh I'll do it at home or at you know bar machines but as soon as I get to a tournament for some reason I get fragile and it's it's well yeah with most of the machines you would think that they set up super tight but yeah these machines were quite Fair yeah I think what happens you get burned by one like one that's a tight tail EG for everything else yeah yeah especially if it's a wedge head yep all right Andy Rosa gets the a a lights the spinner right there y yeah Center center lane lights the spinner oh that was unlucky missed one shot and then for it y yeah so if you're aiming for the candy cane it's way later on the left flipper than you think uh and that's what happened you're talking about this right just make yeah so if it's coming off the left flipper it just seems like it's kind of an earlier shot but you will go right up into super late but then when you miss that you can hit some of these Targets on the right and then it will just kill you down the out line yeah yeah you get Advanced bonus for all your troubles and that's about it uh yeah the the spinner shot is the the Middle Lane is the most key in this game and then you just don't want it ever to go back in there right because you want the advanced bonus instead and it's nice when you get that pop pumper action back and forth see action yeah yep yeah that was a replay of one of our house balls earlier actually so all right Jean's still got to be happy then gota got to but it is a five ball and it's pretty easy to put up as he did 300,000 on a ball so yeah all you need is one ball in this cuz as you can see you can get those house bows yep but you just need to recover from them and with that spinner wow that's a great save yep absolutely nice dead bounce oh you can hear the spinner now yeah that's awesome he turned it on I Carl went over there ah smart I love that ASMR for pinball players yeah we just got 100 new viewers yes exactly for the spin orone yes yes can anyone see what bow we're on uh no but I think three yeah I think we started on one yeah that sounds reasonable the G player four yeah yeah and he had zero going in oh God that scares me every time wow I'm inspired yeah all right let's see what this Rip's going to oh it's right on the edge y That's so tough but glad that didn't drain that yeah beautiful in Lane he got there yeah all right so oh even you know steps back and enjoys the sound just as much as we did oh got some good spinner ribs there though yeah and all of a sudden he's at 400,000 as well so another 880,000 spin double bonus he had good play all right see if he's found that Middle Lane that's one of those where like there's a tro in the top of the game that the ball just kind of hangs on to for 5 seconds before it drops drops into the actual Lane for so many plunges that have gone in the same spot I see double bonus good Spin A Rip but it wasn't lit yeah hundreds now it's lit yep and he'll get a few thousands for that it'll it'll do some carry see if he can get a spin rip now yeah y got the Cy candy can and that one was being friendly earlier where it would go back into the candy cane a few times uh we haven't seen it yet today that one Target on the top left is so Random the like Advanced bonus Target that's on an island this one yeah it's just chilling there yeah I forgot it exists yeah like we need something here guys we yeah something low budget something low budget that's not a candy cane yeah exactly finished up with 200,000 there just with that one that been not the hundreds spin [Laughter] though all right Germaine got some work definitely can do it yeah that's that's tough but it happens on this game going into ball three with you know 20,000 probably got one flip all right get the spining that's objective a objective be is survive the the ball coming back down all right let's see his methodology here all right nice he's comfortable a little early he'll do it again wow out yep all right right starts at 37 let's see what happens no not quite as good ADV bonus yeah it's what you need on this game yeah that's all you need on this game really yeah oh oh unlucky yeah the SP impromptu photo op sorry guys yeah Jean's I think Jean's locked down the spinner on every ball yeah looks like you could see that it's the middle Lane curse as soon as you light it yeah can't hit the spinner yeah it's what happened to me this game is like 50/50 surviving the ball coming down from the top I don't it's so ridiculous the I the angles alone uhoh nearly nudged that out on top yep that's the other thing too with no rubbers there to save you just once it goes there you're dead yeah and anytime it hits the the left side of the or whatever what the out side of the sling you just know it's going to go out all right nice nice that's going to be that was rolling perfect that left out lane wow so hungry hungry yeah yeah they deigned this machine to just eat quarters back in the day and this should be fourth ball I'm pretty sure yeah I I believe so as well so it's definitely tight between arid and Andrew so fifth ball will definitely decide this well Jean's only at 440 as well so if he has a depending on how well his ball goes yeah be a very close game yep I got the advance bonus but didn't get the the spinner light okay control control H you ask a lot of this game yeah oh yeah once he stop bouncing looks at the left out lane yeah I mean as soon as you plunge the ball looks at the left out lane oh that's what I'm saying yeah it's like a tro yeah old games H how do they work oh my oh no now this is a really really close this is all everyone's within a spinner of each other pretty much a lit spinner see who can hit the spinner fifth ball y the a lane and survive and then we'll go from there oh nice oh here we go there we go take yep great and he spins a good spin y oh he gets that expression yeah that expression I hope that gets clipped yeah yeah could not do anything with that it's like not my fault guys I did what I was supposed to I hit the spinner yeah all right Andrew 517 Andrew won yesterday right classic taret match play right did he uh yes I think he did he came back on the yeah the last group yep he snuck through up oh wow ouch yeah what did he end up at three something 95 I think yeah okay and germain's at what like one there's only a few numbers that can look like that in the second in the second spot but Germaine's at what 18 n okay yeah 190 like yeah all I know is he's three spins away yeah exactly right that way yeah yeah and Jan's one spin away as well to exactly I mean how nice you hit that one time and you just walk off to the sound of the spinner in the background like cool people don't look at explosions or Spinners yeah oh there we go right it's coming together all right needs two oh okay oh no ouch like he was so afraid of the left out lane that is like no no I'm going down the middle get one or the other yeah yeah don't get comfy all right right good nud nice mini nudge like I I didn't think he did enough there but all right O Little myar Help there is he going to go for candy cane I think he's going candy cane oh beautiful candy cane yeah and it's I mean it's 10,000 uh for every letter that he had lit Oh no just short yeah wow wow that was close will AA took the win there yep yeah that's that's just crazy cuz uh you know Jean had 320 after ball one 18070 after but that I mean that's azte it really is like the epome of like a a one ball game exactly and you have to just shrug off the the other four that are just terrible and make exactly why am I playing pinball yeah why am I playing pinball why am I playing an em wait a minute all right yeah yeah but this is I mean it was such a cool lineup today yeah and there's like what was it what's the baseball game Grand Slam oh I haven't even played that yet I was too scared so cool it's so awesome I just love that game because it's like you get runs and they're like your bonus and it's it's awesome and then you realize there's no right gate and you yeah there's no right gate cuz the someone at pinball at the lab uh showed off during practice showed off what you could do I think it was Richie Terry was like hey Jim watch this uh I'm goingon to Alley pass and the gate's going to stop it and I'm just going to be on the right flipper all day and do and shoot the I think the left spinner up top yeah um the left spinner was kind of like getting jammed by the little flipper up there cuz I think it's supposed to do more up in that side but um it's just a fun game I don't really know what's going on on it you're just trying to get runs I'm pretty sure cuz they carry over from ball to ball and it's your bonus right yeah and then like it's it's literally the rules of baseball there's like a single a double a triple A Homer and yeah it's pretty it's pretty funny it's a fun looking game and and on the skill shot if you put in little scoop then you get a chance to hit the home run with the upper left flipper yeah that kind of bats it around back up there and you can keep doing that a couple times so uh it's fun uh and I the little dangly targets I don't know if there's an official name for those I know most of the names the dangly targets dangly targets yeah it's just so weird cuz you you barely tap them they lock into place up there uh so uh it's an interesting concept I'm okay that it didn't take off in the pinball yeah I have to try it out yeah I was I was looking at it I was like I don't like the dangly targets I'm to stay away from that that looks like a dangle and then middle yeah no they don't kickback right at you which is kind of nice but yeah you shoot through the tendrils yeah uh but it's it's it's an interesting game it layout theme everything um what what else did you did you have a favorite game that you played or yeah uh um I'm trying to think of what I played a lot I played orbit a lot I think it was and I had never seen that before I was able to like get let it bounce around get control and then hit that a little Target y yeah very y yep but yeah yeah that so that's the precursor to Super or super orbit yeah I don't even think I've played that one either so all new to me uh yeah I it was surprisingly the pretty much the same rule set um which was really cool but yeah the the the very Target on ball five was where it was all at you had double bonus and if you could if you could get that all the way back you were uh immediately at 10,000 uh bonus and and the the spinner that was the only spinner that wasn't super juic but it also is like one of the the side Spinners kind of similar to nineball where it I don't know just doesn't have a the angle can be weird on it yeah but I found it good though cuz yeah when you hit it clean it would just shoot it back to the pops and then it felt a bit safe cuz it just stay up there for a while and then eventually come down but yeah that game has a very interesting layout with that spinner there yeah and it it was made more difficult by the sensitive right sling anytime you have those triangle slings on that we're just making up names for things I don't know what it's the triangle sling triang good dingly Target Target very targets real very Target wizard here we go that sounds like a madeup one the very Target sounds like the most made up thing oh and we're with a different group yeah yeah and so just so everybody knows flag 2 is permanently on I think um because of a issue that came up during qualifying this is interesting so this looks like a dead bounce one but some Wizards are like intermittent about how that feed comes out from you talk about this feed right yeah so that one looked very dead bouncy yep but I've heard it does not it doesn't always work yeah oh no I think most of the time it doesn't work I think you should hold the left flipper up honestly on this when it comes out okay I played it in the classics Target match play um yeah and yeah a lot of the time it looks like it's going to dead bounce in it oh that one was okay well that one was good but yeah I've heard some people say they've died sometimes it goes like this sometimes it goes like it can actually like just fly out like yeah it it's I I guess this The Flipper must be a little spongy because usually if there's a little give in The Flipper that's when it doesn't it's not consistent uh about the the bounce but yeah yeah flag 2 always F always on what is Flag 2 I can't remember but it's Flag three double bonus I believe flag three is double that's the one I always care about when I my bonus is somewhere and then I'm like but yeah I'm there yeah and this is bull five for this group it might be I'm not sure what group it is oh my God everyone's everyone's at 71,000 until he just went over there nice all pass nice but and someone's rolled it yeah player three's rolled it y then everyone else is on 70s wow see that that dead B was a little scary went up I mean that almost looked like he tap pass the dead bounce he he got scared as well see yeah it's not always there the the good old tap bounce yeah yeah yeah I I like that too but the problem is from the left flipper there's not much to do on the game right no there isn't yeah these are these are not what you want to be shooting at from the left flipper I I recommend not doing that sometimes I just aim for the 5,000 Target because it's but uh but yeah I think most people are like what like pass or tap pass yeah yeah my alley is not I just don't feel are you good with the alley pass um you know I've been told to yeah practice it I practiced it on some games but yeah I'm just so scared of it it's CU it's like I'm very bad at recovering from my mistakes so it's like I'd rather just try and hit it away somewhere else than try and get it onto another C but yeah I definitely need to start yeah practicing those T passes or alley pass one of them just so I can oh that looks tough one so so uh Bowen ended at just under 100,000 uh Colin's going to be short so he's looking at third no Colin is 186 right y oh my goodness isn't that isn't that isn't that right there yeah oh my goodness well we were wrong he's not on 71 I know there was a bunch of people yelling at us like in chat like oh my God but these people we miss it's really tiny yeah he had a really good score then Tim is looking to chase down col now yep so Colin went from third to first because of uh our error my error all right five see that's the 5,000 right there get that saucer yeah oh see yeah that worked out well holding up that flip exactly it's it's like they want to dead bounce it and then last second they just like flip it away dead bounce dead bounce no oh he's he's on the 5,000 B I love this all right yep he's got it going yeah there we go he's just pass there y he's got a little bit more against Colin right Colin's at 186 Colin's at 186 yeah and he's only at 1 oh I read that wrong never mind he's got a bit to go yeah sorry yeah you it's hard to see the lights are all yeah you know he got double bonus so what is this uh oh is this a double bonus Bonus Ball 5 game anyways no he got it with the um flag three it's yeah it's this flag and then you got to roll through going to be oh just short all right Shannon's got a little ground to make up here first targets 99 tough one that's tough yeah I did not play the this wizard uh and now I'm happy that I didn't TRW this wizard I did not play this either I thought it was pretty good I thought it was pretty fine uh when I played in classic star match play but I'm sure that means when you play and qualifying it's like forget it right yeah if you do well in one or the other it's like the opposite I call it that calling had a great game 186 yeah that's huge fantastic so yeah I was looking through the qualifying I think yeah you had to get over 100 to get something but 186 is just that one step further which is just great score yeah yeah so Derek what was your favorite game out of out of here oh that is a what game would you like to play maybe the game that well I'll tell you which game wasn't my best friend was Stargazer I I I love Stargazer and this was the squires slipperiest Stargazer I've ever played like you could not trap it on a flipper yeah for sure it was a lot of shooting on the fly yeah yeah I don't know what grease or olive oil or whatever they put on that thing but it worked so yeah cuz we have the second stargazers in the women so I was very used to that Stargazer and I was like I'll try the other Stargazer and I couldn't find any of the Spinners and then I was just fumbling around trying to get it on the flipper so I could find the Spinners and yeah did not work out for me this was one of the few times that I feel like the the the 200 spinner or whatever the 2000 spinner the um the side ones is the better choice than the up the middle one I I just there wasn't a lot of power going up the middle so you know you kind of do that little back thing where you light the spinner by just kind of flicking it back and then uh let it go it was much better side to side but I didn't give it too many tries I my my my favorite or the one I played the best was was sorcerer even with the mod even with the mod with the lock right you have to hit the three drop targets right yeah for the for the first set of locks it's one draw uh one set of drop Target that of light both and then your second in multiball onwards you need one set of drop targets per lock wow okay yeah but uh you know it it just adds another element to it and there's a couple ways to get back up there if you don't have the right spinner letter that's where you go um go back up top and then if you do you can post pass it to the right uh flipper and just backhand it up uh which was pretty reliable too uh if you're if you're worried about it but it it played it played Fair um I I like that sorcerer uh I enjoyed playing rock okay I did not during the match play I it was uh it was solid it was it wasn't bad um have we we don't know what else has happened so far I can look um we could be waiting on the first group to finish because they have to pick uh their game next yeah yeah I was I was thinking that wizard would be like the last game cuz that's where we went to but I see two other people two other groups playing let's see where the rig is it's on Stargazer it's on Stargazer well we see how these players maybe it's just an us problem good plays got a handle of it like I know I should root for the players at this point but I want this to be difficult just my pride my you know it's it's but it I mean it it plays just fine there's nothing mechanically wrong with the game it just I don't know if it's a steepness of the flippers or something else that that was going on cuz you would think that you would have it trapped and then it would just slowly roll off for me and then I would have to just click it away and then it would just kill me I've lost three or four balls this week by just like thinking I was trapped and like looking around the Playfield and then looking at my bonus as it rolled off the side yeah so so it's uh I think it's the same group we were watching yes so we're back with the third group arits group okay just going to call it arits group that's fine he's I mean yeah I mean won the first game so until someone else has more points exactly he's got four yeah wow it looks so bright so derck you were talking about these Spinners right yes the the the their 200 base and then uh if you roll over one of the four like it's the roll over when it's at the right light right yeah well we just got a glimpse of starg yeah that's like my Stargazer think trapped in and just yeah and you do a little like flick and it still just kind of rolls off to the center like it's just funnel down there it's like the Orbiter one of stargazers but yeah you were talking about howo most stargazers are going for this cuz you want to set you want to hit one of these down when it's like up here right the max or whatever yeah okay yeah and you want it to be the at the at the topmost position got it um now that was an interesting first shot I I think he might have been going for that left spinner yeah it just wasn't lit yeah I don't know I just but I don't think you would be going for those targets there they just no that's what I was wondering I was like is he going for a bonus game or maybe he was going for that middle spinner and it was just a little bit off yeah well the other thing you can do is if you do hit that spinner usually will take out one of the drop Targets on the way so instead of having the north south um because yeah you just don't have a lot of power yeah even hitting the Spinners though like when they're not lit I think is still okay value to be honest so that's that might have been what he was going for there but yeah that spinner I could not find either that left one no know and and every time I hit it it just was it didn't I didn't have any power or anything on it right let's see what he does okay oh showing us off yeah yeah who put the stick them on there there was like pinear right wow oh he's got a Max he's got the all right max value just floats around between the two yeah it really really does all right spin is lit on the left I feel this is early oh okay going for the Target instead in the middle see if he does the roll over it didn't have enough I I like the pseudo postp passy rollover here that you can do by getting it over the the semicircle who that's going to roll over perfectly oh that's huge 2,000 of and it just died he hit it and you're like it's going to go way off to the left and it just no it just it just died down the middle but he got one spin which is is good cuz it was lit yeah I mean 100,000 from one spinner rip is great yeah you will absolutely for sure absolutely take that je also got that spin and out oh big rip yeah I feel that's the way to do it he's got that same spinner lit again just oh that's going to be huge look at that 200 200 yep wow that's why it's like I don't even bother aiming for most of these targets cuz they hit it on the way anyway after yep going for those spinners yeah and the slings are kind of active they're not they're not bad on this one yeah I haven't found that they would kill me down the outline like I feel like they would but yeah this is one of the the rare ones where it was really down the middle was the most dangerous y just missing any of those shots would just kill you down the G yep gets a little backwards roll that'll so this is the the style where if you've lit the the spinner uh you can keep hitting it again as long as it doesn't stop um you can you'll maintain the the 10x uh bonus on the bulb nice little flip over that was great both Spinners lit now yeah yep and and I do like the left spinner more than the the right one it's just so much more safer cuz you get it up the top and you don't have to worry about it shooting back down just feels the angle feels so much better on that one so he's got the the minimum value on the uh on the top spinner but there's nothing else really to do what a save I like what Stargazer tried to do uh like they're like oh you know Max spinner versus max Bank value right so his spinner is the worst but his bank value is the highest if he completes that that that bank and in a game like this this tough right now you know maybe the 40,000 points isn't that bad and he's at 2X and so the the multiplier does carry over in this game which is a key did he just go through the spinner and not spin a single time it looked like it he's at 3x though right yeah uh yes yeah that's three sorry all right get that maximal 40,000 he's he's got a casual 600,000 right he's cruising yeah he's got the flow of it and he got wow that was a huge spin his spinner is almost maxed up there nice little nudge out of the outlane nice very great B wow and he's got the 12,000 super bonus so that will carry too so he'll have 12,000 time three um for every ball minimum wow huge just some some extra points 800,000 great job here comes Arvid well tied with player two but has already played yeah but play two balls yeah I guys sorry I paid arvit off so that he could make this game look really really hard just to prove that point yeah yeah kids got to go to college you know it's it's fine all right right Spinner's lit yep and I assume he's going to go for that all rightow nice shot already up to 100 from that spin that's he doesn't have that locked in yet the the top spinner so but yeah just accidentally taking out those three Banks is huge it's your bonus multiplier it's it's your bonus uh it's just so much the one's on the side right uh yes I believe it's the on and this one yeah yeah the center ones just points for the spinner for what I know this is like the the same area where like I know the things like there's four dots on the on the little crescent I don't know what the other three dots do right I just want to know the light spinner one and we're good right I'm like like everything else is an accident guys like I don't know what it is nice little drop catch oh look at that spin up don't hit it h you hate when it goes back through and stops it but that's okay uh it hasn't taken out the last Target which is great oh oh nice slap save nice save wow that was really wanted that God there yeah that was like a quarter inch from the uh from any flipper and great job not great catch catch yeah all right he's got his three a and then he also has a 12,000 right super Bon what are you call Super bonus call locked in oh I keep thinking it's going to take out that other Target there too I feel like he's going for the Target guys he must be he's playing the bonus game there it is he's not playing this Min game the bonus game yeah so the extra ball is lit but I can't I don't think it's on so is it points uh I I don't be on in the women's I was playing it was play on with the extra balls I'm not sure I haven't seen anyone on this one get it so oh yeah it does say shoot again it's an extra ball so wonder what's going to happen anyone's going to come over and R that I did not know that was on that deserves a sign on the back glass yeah there you go shoot again y I mean that's he's got six times 24 right now yeah so 24 right here yeah 144 it's got to it's it's got to be a play on this that was the ruling all this week if you found an extra ball could play and then the next round it was to try and turn it off huge golly all right using my commentator's language there [Laughter] nice oh well it's like yeah it was like a plunged extra but he still got 140 4 4ish I don't know I'm a math major but yeah yeah absolutely great ball uh and he's only barely past uh Jean yeah I know that's how how great Jean's first B was yeah yeah now the way that I believe that it goes with those extra balls I think he just has to clear One bank to relight the extra ball every time wow I don't believe he has to do much to to re-qualify that I don't know if it's a setting thing but I know that those are pretty much unlimited oh he gets the reverse spinner oh these nice moves all right I mean this this is just like survival yeah all right right spinner lit all right now this seems like oh nice this seems like a strat change targets as well yeah as soon as we realize that targets were extra balls everyone with low scores were like all right we go I need an extra ball so no one's going for the Spinners which is really interesting yeah oh from that maybe from the from the left side maybe he will because it's going to go up and maybe take out that spinner anyways but yeah the left one seems to not be the Str anymore yeah yeah he shot that drop for sure oh too clean yeah all right let's see if Jean can have another crazy ball yeah and and we's see I mean we'll see what he does I I so wait is his his extra ball ready here his might be too and so I believe you have to hit the center Target when it's on that bank okay but I like he might just end up into it I don't see think he's seen it there he's got it now okay so I I think I think he might have S yeah I I think he was like take that Derek uh so extra ball for him and and this is where you know going for the going for bonus multiplier and carryover is good cuz you know you you can get 40,000 just probably plunging in the next ball or 60,000 or whatever nice little move to save that oh little spin there yeah yeah 6,000 spin that was great now that that was just a very late spin that that seemed like he was going for that and he got another 6,000 spin somehow like it's almost like he's doing it on purpose that that's the new Strat now yeah micro spinning yeah yeah well I think yeah the Spinners just seem so deadly now when you miss it that yeah the drop Target seemed to be the best thing to go now yeah I mean he's got he's got 5,000 and and he has both the 24 and the 12 12 what 36 36 yeah times five oh that was a big spin though that that one's okay and he's going to point to the extra ball and be very happy about it 1.3 uh Plus whatever look at that yeah yep yeah he's carrying 186 into just by plunging I believe you're the math major oh nice nice and that was almost this time yeah and and it the the ball stayed away from stopping the spinner for a half a second extra so so more points more drops more drops more drops like I said I I am interested in knowing if if uh it can just be relit by one more cuz I really think that that's the case and if so you just you just abuse that yeah yes I would like to play a seven ball game of staras yeah that's what I need that's definitely what I need dead bounce there oh yeah as you said he missed the spinner and or yeah and got punished yep just bounces around and then kills you yeah has to walk up while his bonus is still going great second bow plays it cool you know fixes the collar a little bit like two million wow it's okay Al can bring it back here I believe in you yeah for sure in my head this is like a five ball game but it's not unfortun feels like it needs to be I am maybe okay with that he wants something on the on the flipper uh spin yeah but the the only thing is like you're going to have to survive 40 of those anyways because of where you you're at where your opponents are so I don't know and and he's not from the right side he was not uh left side he was not going for the extra ball Strat which I think he like has do you know yeah at this point oh what a dig oh wow wow okay crazy you can do that the Tilt said the Tilt was generous of it so when you turn extra balls on you turn off the Tilt B apparently yeah oh that's a nice rip oh we can't do it again oh you're checking the flippers yeah look great I would just be proud of that I know that's who cares about the score just wow be proud of the save yeah he's whatever he's like I I did what I could up my seve he I mean he has a chance to sneak out a point if Germaine has a house basically but what is Germaine's bonus did he get enough to I don't remember that's the real question it is did he Bank anything I don't remember CU he switched to drops so might have enough yeah that is true he might now you know he won't go for that drop though because of the because he just needs 50,000 points oh that's the TT found the Tilt B we found the til it is yep good save though to try and bring it back to life has he gives up 100,000 so we'll see if it Germaine already has his on bonus right 4 * 12 is 48 yeah so he has it as long as he doesn't tilt yeah in terms of in terms of not getting last like this is so much more math than I signed up for I feel Classics it's always math Classics yeah I feel like I'm on an episode of square one which old PBS show and it was all like you know math detectives and stuff really good like mathet right yes exactly oh Derrick and I are old so yeah Derek and I are getting old we're not old yet I'm so sorry you're right on our way okay yeah sure okay not in the senors yet yeah we're on ball four out of five we're almost almost there I love that analogy I'm going to use that analogy now and then when I see oh ni oh nice oh oh man that was a good rip too and he was he was close to coming back like one more big spin yeah look at that would have done it going to finish seven something yeah y all right Jean Jean gets a PL off so this puts it in a in so Jean will be at six arid will be at four Germaine one Andrew three so uh and it's it's three game three game yes yeah okay je G to play it off yeah yeah smile he's so happy well for the work he did like oh and he's still ripping Spinners this guy dreams about like ripping Spinners the spin are so awesome yeah that's great game though two million yeah yeah yeah I don't have the the highs for for qus but I'm sure that that was I'm pretty sure that's way up there yeah I can see his bonus is still counting down for me yeah oh yeah wow uh I can see col mine still on Rock so I know that game's going on yep uh was that the other group we falling before yeah that was The Wizard group yeah we might be able to squeeze in Wizards of rock and Colin macaan runs the Wizards tournament right in Texas so there you go it's appropriate so Emily have you played any of the women's bank that's in front of us yes Stargazer you I'm already mentioned I I love that Stargazer I don't like the other one but yeah I did get 2 million on that one my card last night I no extra balls yes there was one extra ball I got oh okay yeah you I forgot you told me that they were on okay yeah cuz I think yeah Kate got one and we put a sign up that says you can play the extra balls but yeah Elvis do not like that Elvis um I've never really played it there's none in Australia that I can play really really so I played an Elvis once in pin and that was about it so I've stayed away from Elvis mhm um Atlantis is the first time I've ever seen it interesting game yep um I played a few games on it it's like e it wasn't on my card but yeah I was pretty like average just okay going through I've got I'm pretty sure I've qualified I think which is good I'm happy with that that's awesome so yeah I think finals tomorrow afternoon maybe I think it's in the morning yeah I believe it's in the 9: a.m. okay I think I'm slated to do the second round so please try and get to the second round cuz now that I know who you are and I've met you now we I will fully be rooting for you unless I was like don't pick Elvis please don't pick Elvis a lot of people I've heard have not like the Elvis though so I'm hoping that everyone just it desp it goes away but yeah Diamond lady as well I had no interesting game uh I don't know all of it I know the the suit that you get off the pl can be really important CU you get like a million hurry up immediately off Hur up I think you have to hit all of the targets down which is also deadly cuz they're all right around the middle but um I was able to get the multiball which I think you have to clear all the targets and then you just shoot it through the spinner three times y okay but yeah and then taxi I've played a few times in Australia they're common Alice Cooper I own but this one's a bit and then we've also got I Maiden which is that's your bank too yeah yeah so I'm not sure if that will be pulled though because I know that in the open they can take a machine and then that's only for the open though I think that's going be on Sunday so no one's going to take that yeah don't I want them to get it out well it did break for a while so maybe you could bre yeah and prospector is in as well and that was broken for a while too this afternoon prospector is a really fun game it um I we've we've had one locally here for a while I don't get to play up here very often uh but uh I I love it it's got a cool little rule set to it and you know the the silver bonus gold bonus dou bonus thing uh it's got numbers it's an em yeah y one two three I got Target I love it when they're standups and they're just numbers here you go figure out but yeah but doesn't spell anything or just here have some numbers yeah they should have just put like gold across the one you know one 2 three 4 or something like you know that's true that's four letters wow but they they had already printed like a bunch of stand ups like what are we going to do with all these 2 3 stand ups we got to get these out of the warehouse guys so um yeah so right now we're we're just waiting to move the rig or for round two to finish yeah let me check on yeah it doesn't look like a lot of there's still a group on Rock I can there's still a group on surf champ oh okay two groups left yeah and and we saw a surf trap last round um be okay to see again it's a it's an interesting game it's it seems like your your score kind of just gets to be like the luck of how many of the the rollovers you get and and how many scoops it falls in and stuff like that yeah that left kind of in Lane bit is what everyone's been shooting for and that seems to be the only thing really yeah yeah if if you light all five of the dots and you want the then the scoop's good because it's like 5,000 each time but the the left orbit is I believe always bonus ad and puts you back up there and then you can maybe hit the pop into the yep and do it and is the two- player of that what's the two- player is what's the two-player version of that game called uh is it Surfer surfing surfing okay I don't not surfing Safari it's just yeah but it's just like orbit right orbit is a four it's the four player game but there's a two-player game like it's like called space station or just station or something where it's like the same game but it's two player it's like Jungle Queen jungle princess all over again I know that one I but I'm pretty sure cuz I when I played orbit I just I was like this this seems very familiar other than the super orbit that we talked about earlier but I don't think I swear it's like space station it might figure out or station too many old there's too many old games that are like forign right and we have space station in main which is not that game and I like I I'm lost too yeah I'm pretty sure surf champ there's a like a two-player version I believe so as well yeah there's another version of that one there's a there's a lot of games like I I feel like chat right now is just spitting out all of the games that have a two and four player version or a one and two and four player version all right I cheated it's I think chat says Space Odyssey for orbit maybe or something it was something space you got that yeah I don't know cuz I remember they used the same back class I think oh or similar back class yeah and the same one two three four Target yeah I'm sure yeah exactly right I mean hey all the same assets it's fine it's all good all right Rock is in so we're waiting for oh no they're what they're all in now okay cool well let's see what they picked for for game three arv who had four points so it's no longer arvid's group it's now Jean's group y based on our philosophy Jean is now the leader of the group uh and I just realized that the camera is on us and my my hands are flailing like I thought that was part of the the it is it is I mean there's no pin while the watch so they got to do something yeah yeah give them some entertainment yeah just follow my hands jazz hands yeah yeah oh it is this rock uh no it's a game before bug Doodle Bug please oh what a great final game it's it's one game before the last game of the line so maybe it is Rock because I think it was flying carpet was at the end and then Rock and then Doodle Bug I think it was sounds right wow okay the suspense I know what's it going to be guys put your bets in now rock yeah and don't listen to what we just said in the last 30 seconds yeah or maybe it's flying carpet maybe it's all the way at the end I I feel like that's what the other group was playing then or like was that what the what um uh oh they're still playing on another game oh they just started another game Oh you mean um uh cins group yeah they were playing Rock they were 100% okay well your vision goes when you get to ball four so sorry guys are any of you doing the fantasy pinb oh here never mind oh it's Doodlebug Doodlebug one player game wow this is great I'm so excited so did Andre Rosa pick this or did he just decide to go first I I have no idea because so the same pick so it wouldn't have been well he's the third he's the third seed so he might have had Choice the entire time but might have been deferring yeah that's what I was going to say yeah all right saucer okay so let's let's see how well he Doodles oh yeah so this one has the gaps don't trap up or be very careful when you trap yeah I did you want you want to hit what one two three four is that what advances uh Y and then you want to Doodle the bug right they want doodle the bug where there are oh gosh dang yeah yeah and and so he has at the top the best reward is the 5,000 which is right here right y but if he hits a side it's going to change the up or a PA wow that was like the and he had the center up too that feed is awful that game was like here's the center post but you're draining up the right yeah was the the light pops are not great awards they're not the worst but they're not great what gosh point you just want to F yeah I've never I honestly never seen a series of balls like that on this game yeah I played this game like twice too and and so you know Arvid and Jean are are very happy about this right now yeah uh now this is the thing if you can get up to 100 and just have this thing going so he needs the three and the four he's he needs the two right now oh cuz it's lit I got it yeah oh nice save nice wow that was great too yeah yeah there's not going to be a terrible uh dang it tilt yeah that's wow that's a tough one just brutal that was a brutal game yeah so so Arvin and Jean super happy about that result Germain not so much because he needs he can only pass Arvid at this uh at this point so needs to get a win here yep yep exactly it's 42 one Zer right yeah yeah and so someone can plunge the 5,000 and basically almost pass that score which is it's I mean but it's Doodle Bug uh y that's true and til only ends the ball right in this game I yes I believe that that sounds right to me and let it be so if we say it yeah clearly I mean watch this okay he got a much better feed yeah oh and so he as you say that down the middle yeah yeah exactly oops sorry okay oh yeah I and you don't know what to do there it's like do you kind of nudge it off the side but that was going slow it's so dangerous and usually those feeds are perfectly fine yeah all right we're doodling get the one nice little defensive flip there I like that got the two wow interesting catch to avoid that little opening yeah you he tried the dead bounce and it it didn't it didn't do the second part the bounce part but he's getting these these 500 plunges oh yeah just staying at the top here seems to be all you need to do right now yeah he just needs to clear 8,000 right yeah he needs eight8 8.8 okay and there's no bonus in this game so no the bonus is when you get to step away and not play it again but Derek it Doodles how it Doodles yeah so so that outlane right there is a thousand oh yeah like so you're right much better valy than going down the middle out out here even as he doodled he was getting like 30 40 points and then he's like well just let's just throw it to the L Lane I can I a thousand yeah I wouldd love a thousand I'll take Doodlebug for th000 please all right Follow The Flipper all right 11 okay oh my jeez wow that this is a crazy game yeah I mean I don't know what I expected for scores I think like the 20,000 range is like where I tend to see people but I just forgot how brutal Doodlebug was um in my group for classic Target match play the average was the 20 yeah okay um but jean put up 37 or 38 Jean has been doing well it's Jean Jean's our local like um Classics expert besides Bob Matthews I would say like those two are like the pillars of the soulcal classic expert community and he brought some of the games here too so thank Eugene for helping us and he fix them and he also fixes them too so like it was like he actually came back earlier from the dinner break to fix I think bow and arrow during classic stargame match play yep so genus threw automatically nice um because of the way that the first two fin well I can't say that unless yeah something really catastrophic has to happen a lot of interesting placements would have to happen in a particular order my friend Dennis would be like not who would be actually like right yeah I say that the same thing too when somebody wins two four oh well I think because Andrew can't take more than second at this point like yeah I think that he's through automatically because our yeah I I believe that to be true the Mets too H at the we've done too much someone else can figure it out yeah sure chat will do oh twice either side like I don't know if they just made this like yeah this is way harder than yesterday yeah I like in my group like very many very few people drained like that I yeah it was always down the middle yeah or like out the side for a thousand get in there yeah this is like the most in disy like Doodle Bug I've ever seen all right gates open I mean the post G Gates opens so you automatically going to die yeah exactly you're going to go outside that's what that means yeah nice keep it up the top up there oh 5,000 cuz the the in this one it's it's the rare part that these pops are very active sometimes you play the the doodle Bugs and they barely go no way to go back up yeah at this point yeah the doodle bug is just seeming too dangerous I just keep on Sho back up the top pop bupers [Music] yeah I agree o 5,000 like this game is going to be determined by who skill shoted better yeah exactly like that's that's it so if he if he outlanes here he will he will get one point at least he's doing some great nudges though right now to keep it away from to counteract keep it away from anything really at the moment right back up top everything's dangerous right now andad oh no 10,000 all right so like he needs 11,000 to put himself in a chance to to do a tiebreaker with Arvid if if Jean doesn't get first he would have to he'd have to get like three sides to get to the 5,000 yeah but he just he just needs uh he just needs an out lane now oh you're right because it's thousand yeah few bounces all right I think yep he's now yep so so now this puts pressure on on Gan well it doesn't put any pressure on Jean Jean can uh can can stop a tiebreaker Jean's like I I don't even need to play this guys so well he will he will play I mean we know him pressure as off as what's if there could be another tiebreaker but it wouldn't matter because um AR would be through cuz it' be a tiebreaker for three yeah too much MTH happening right now yeah yeah basically because because Andrew can't get first there's no way to to pass gen yeah oh okay 1,000 oh on the gate oh the mystical gate that's like never open forgot about that yeah all surprised by that one wow he might have been jine might have been a little surprised by that one he's like oh yeah was finally nice yeah yeah I love this game and he's in the 20,000 range much more we would expect yep okay that quick yeah all right let's see the little tap mini tap yeah a real extra ball um I'm going to find out I guess yes it is cuz he's at two now oh yeah you're right on the back F here yeah so so that was a very real extra ball wow okay Jermaine's got the flow of doodle bug now heed yeah I mean he's had like a he's had a 1,000 W this is amazing I'm so excited I'm glad we're on this G now I just need some doodle action yeah now you aim for the center yes it's time to doodle It's Time to Doodle oh you missed the skill shot like it's over no oh no the doodle bu tempted us Sor look at this this was lit come on it's okay 35 no that's still great effort and he's one like side from getting to the 5,000 yeah I mean if he gets that thousand though he's he's he's pretty much guaranteed a tiebreaker that's that's why that was like a very critical oh wow this is not one of those Mahari ones where there's like no scoop there like it's there but only in essence wow 40,000 that's really nice yeah still oh he still has a ball that's right I got the extra yeah I forgot track all right he has 5,000 lit at the saucer huge opportunity yeah this is a very like you hit the back hit the top no right I mean that would have been 12% of his score had he he got that like that's just how big the 5,000 is crazy yeah good old yeah I mean that could have been like 4,000 points had that 1,000 been on yeah yeah but hey great game 416 yeah uh so now it's all up to Jane yeah Gan and and Jean is only saving arbit at this point yeah but if Jean doesn't do it what he's doing is giving us more pinball and who doesn't want more pinball well Arvid probably doesn't want more pinball that's I was about to say that I think Arvin might have other opinions uh oh yeah it's all right shck it off shck it off yeah but the 5,000 the saucer so he's he doesn't care he just wants the saucer he I mean there is some point to like I know what plunge is going to get me in the saucer uh even if it's going to change it and so but I I mean he is just playing with house money right now oh interesting the dangers of doing that got three okay oh no gate yeah okay 8,000 y pop on that's not really worth I mean if you get some action 100 per pop is not the worst thing mhm so Jean seems to be playing it the intended way of going for numbers he's he's not a an uptp all day person like we've decided this the best method well I mean he's up there and we're here so yeah yeah I know and he's like dominated like the last match open oh God so now you want it to drain down the out line if it does anything yeah the the game doesn't care what you want yeah that's definitely true we didn't get to see a thousand Point doodle yeah so so right now he's in second in this in this one oh uh all right so that TI break break time which more pinball and more us yeah you lucky ducks I know and who are we who who who who who are we well I was trying to get him to do intros again but all right yeah sorry yeah well we can get the camera on us the cameras yeah cuz we're going to all right so Jonathan soon I'm on the uh pins and Pirates uh twitch Channel now and then I'm Emily cson I'm just from Australia that's my I'm Derek price uh from San Diego uh also uh a really highly you're really you're both really high right yeah both yeah I mean if you look it no yeah let's just say like I think it goes like high to low I'm pretty sure that way I'm pretty sure that's how it is in that order unended no but but John you're awesome you do all your stuff with extra life uh charity streams uh please anyone check out his streams check out the pins and Pirates donate if you can he's always doing like arcade stuff and also pinball and and anything so if if you throw a few dollars his way he'll he'll he'll play any game maybe maybe some you know somebody donated $20 for Old Chicago yeah it happened oh there you go it happened yeah you don't enough he'll play Sonic pinball great game that's true that's it was a fantastic game My Title has changed I was about to say I thought it was my twitch Channel I used to do may like five years ago now it should be just called Dr John because I never appear anymore you could be a special guest yeah now I am the special guest to my own channel you're ranked ranked too high I they're like well sorry I need money now to to be on this yeah there's a rider and everything St into oh here we go sorcerer oh wait never mind oh but it's other group it's all right cool um that's not for us uh so having a good game so far uh John I mean uh Tim seon's at 1.4 big bonus you can see the dance of Lights uh on the bottom which means he's maxed out his bonus and it's at what 6X 6X Y and he's got his uh Spinners lit oh yeah and so I assume he will just be going for those it's too dangerous right now to lock a ball yeah to go for cuini needs to go up from the left flipper I would go up the right spinner so you get the spins and the chance to do that mhm there we go there's Carl so you're saying you would do this yes wow the bonus is still counting yeah wow yeah yeah 59 time 6 wow all right so this game has a a really interesting feature on the lane change there's a little button nub thing on the on the top right by the D Lane and when you yeah yeah and when you hit it it actually changes your lanes for you I didn't realize that yeah it'll move your lanes one to the right and just like fool you that explains a lot actually it's not the coordination it's not like am I just like hitting this button too many oh wow that sense now yeah there is a the little rubber piece and all its only purpose wow is to shift all the letters I'm glad Derrick is on the mic look at all these deep Cuts we're learning every as they say so on this one does the bonus multiplier hold over at all uh no okay there is a whole I believe there is a hold bonus you can get from um from spelling sorcerer twice or something like ridiculous like that that sounds reasonable yeah yeah it's it like it's basically rewarding you're already rich you've already got a lot of bonus points like here's some more have some okay have some points uh so we're going to start ball three 500,000 for Bowen so this is this this game three yeah so this is huge this must have been the um first group because they have to choose their games first maybe so yeah so so Bowen needs to win yes uh otherwise it's Tim and Colin that go through I'm sorry not Tim and Colin they're sh has a has a chance if no one passes Tim right now like if everything ends the way that is between and shanon then yeah so so Bowen needs a a few million yeah and and you're going to lock one here and uh this is at least his second multiball because he needs to lock each ball separately or light the lock separately uh the First Bank on your first multiball lights both yeah and it's this bank right here and any denomination works that would be even meaner if it had to be like oh that'd be awesome and like if if you did the the if you did the 50 and it's like all your all the locks all the locks right that'd be interesting huh or if like 50 allowed you to like lock steel that would be cooler like cuz on this game the way that say you cannot lock Steel on this it it will actually yeah on on the modded version uh it will kick out one it requires you to do both but like the 25 could be both locks and the 50 could be just like whatever's in there is yours yeah whoever made this wrom is is this I missing out more more de has yeah Derek has some suggestions yeah yeah all right so this short plunge is okay it it will knock off and go to the left flipper and bounce over ah okay yes and it gives you the r and because he only needs two locks he doesn't want to survive a feed so that did lock but it what it did is it released the other ball in there because he couldn't lock steal ah I see ah now he's got y all right double thumbs up that's right like we're golden oh no I thought he was frozen for a second no no the game that does this big anticipation move where it's like it flashes and it makes you wait oh the the Tilt Bob is pretty loose on this one that was just one right flashed when he it flashed probably one probably we'll see we'll find out I guess yeah he's in a position where he's going to have to use it if it's going to go out and either way because right you know he's barely uh barely past player four right now yeah okay nice nice okay so he will plunge back up top because he he wants uh he wants all so I like having the open Lane if I have three lit letters open Lane being the the a lane so I can move it over but he has this C in case it does do that rubber nudge thing that we we talked about yeah now that you told me that I got watch for yeah got the 2x oh almost uh oh nice roll over wow that jumped weird yeah oh we're living it wanted one of the Outland yeah it really did it really did it's like don't temp fate like it's it's happening the Final Destination pinball St yeah so still between yeah I was like who I was about to yell don't it's Tim's turn yeah I going to get up and be like don't don't plunge don't don't plunge please not so Tim uh is not automatically through no he is automatically through cuz he can the worst he can get is six right yes yeah and and because Colin is at three something the only person who can change it is Shannon so if sh so if Shannon got first then Colin would get last and would be stuck at five there you see how the yeah I was like I was about to say see Derek yeah oh wow I can't believe he did not use that upper flipper either what a save oh yep nice wow and that's not going to walk but like mid celebration Victory to he's jamming yeah he he doesn't even have headphones on but he's he's got a song in his head all right so this is where you could backhand it up top okay I or take the lock shot to automatically put it up there I I prefer possibly a post pass and then taking out the r because you need it anyways and sorcerer yeah and he's only got one letter left yeah uh other than the r um nice jop all right so now now I absolutely hit the spinner because it gives you it will spell sorcerer yeah you'll see the song and dance and here we are nice yeah and now the Spinners are lit yeah another 6,000 spin just just you know dangling the The Spinners or whatever we call it earlier yeah and the left spinner here is very very Juiced I I really liked yeah it looks like it he hit it is it a tight shot though that one it is a tighter shot there's a little metal guide that gets in the way but if you do hit it it does kind of go up into the into the uh for a while yeah so you're saying it just like yeah pretty much yeah it's it was very uh Dependable hey 2.2 great job Tim great school yeah Tim is also responsible for our fantasy right the fantasy pinball in dis shout outs uh I do not remember the website right now pinball statistics yes pinball statistics.com yeah I got it I don't know if I'm allowed to plug other places sorry Carl it's I got the thumbs up it's all good I'll get rmed later yeah all right he's got a second lock lit this is this is huge wow quick in Lan I know yeah really good reaction time okay here we go R time this shot is really really hard I this lock shot uh the flippers is kind of like tip down a little bit so it's oh there we go all right so never mind yeah we good so 389 to force a playoff 574 to go through that's his Target and doing the right thing by cradling uh I assume he goes for one more multiplier yeah and oh I I would have liked to do uh the staging and and hit the targets oh because you multiply yeah um because with how little you need like everything right now is tripled right well he's already he's got to 400 basically yeah so he's just he was just going spinner because it's it's still 300 500 I don't know what the Spinners are without when they're not on but I mean that's honestly I would just go for the r if if he's not going to go up top for points just go for the r Oh Oh I thought that was a double drain yeah I was about to oh well there you go it's like a delayed and he didn't have enough bonus because of the no not enough 539 wow playoff yep another playoff wow two playoffs well we can only watch one at a time I'm sorry folks yeah I'm not sure if they're probably playing the other playoffs right now oh yeah that might be that might be the case yeah I'm sure if you you know ask kindly enough in chat they'll stagger the playoffs so you get more of us but uh yeah and now I get the thumbs down from Carl so it's like no no no no no no not today not today sir that's all right I I can't wait to have dinner so oh me too yeah yeah food yeah that's yeah you forget about that in these tournaments we play for 12 hours we don't eat uh for the most part we try and stay a little hydrated I had food I don't maybe that's why maybe maybe I shouldn't eat is that your secret Derek you don't eat yeah I've had like six macadamia nut white chocolate cook so that's the that's the secret all right it is the secret yeah well we'll see yeah I didn't play very well so yeah you wonder why you don't have any energy and you're like all day maybe that's the problem might be why I'm not playing very well yep or the uh EDM party that was going on like two blocks from my hotel room last night until 2 a.m. so that was also fun doesn't help either no no um but yeah so we're going to see some playoffs we get some extra innings pinball yep I hope they play Grand Slam just because we're talking about Extra Innings and it's a two-player game it is a two-player game that'd be a great playoff game where are we going oh oh going to the standings I can appreciate this as well okay I all right there is a tie in the first group it just didn't drop down I was like was I telling everyone like yeah no no no see it's right here yeah yeah I know but but like group three has a tiebreaker thing on the bottom so I was looking for the little tiebreaker group one tiebreaker yeah yeah made yet yeah um so let's I assume we're going to do group three because we were following them the entire round but it may just be whatever the most interesting game is the sign respect it yeah y when we've all done more than one of those signs too by the way're say that they're plastered all around beautiful photos here yeah that was Jane playing tag team that's cheetah oh no is that that's serpent Safari isn't it oh it is oh my goodness well that one's getaway yeah that that one good good job two out of three ain't terrible nice puzzle puzz yeah there's the puzzle table uh they have a little chess game too shout outs to uh Jean for these photos yeah fantastic St what's this game uh that um it's the one at the end of the sky sky jump jump King I don't remember jump King Sky Kings SK Sky Kings is another one right that's the other yeah sky jump I think yeah some some game that was the match play Yesterday ah ah on big game big game yeah that pose everyone knows uh yeah aar's a POS and the fist bump afterwards that was like a pre and post yeah for sure I love that he must had a really solid game he he's looking at the fist buff he's like man I want one of those and I want some of those cookies that Derrick's been talking about yeah they and these are the coolest part is these are all from this weekend yeah this isn't some like post- production thing this is like yep the the today the ladies yeah everyone with their favorite apple juice yeah I think yeah sure cider alcoholic cider black and white Bowen yep where oh my hair my geez high stakes all right big game all right big I my first question is why are we playing this two-player then I quickly realized my the fault of my ways we at the final two already yeah i' I I've been here all night with you guys I promise is that apple juice no there's been none of that uh so big game spinner when lit and Spinner when not lit yeah and spelling big game exactly yeah yeah but that's more like just I feel it just happens you I definitely just go spinner spinner spinner and then that spinner too cuz it goes up and you'll randomly get these and you know you'll get eventually from there and you get something like 2,000 per letter that you've got and stuff trying to like figure out all the cards in time and stuff it's a lot of work so Spinners yeah and there's different settings to the game where like the cards can like I don't know not carry versus some like bonus carry thing there's something weird about it um but then this one I think this just stalk and you still play it left spinner yeah for sure I mean why not once that die so so uh the right top orbit is death you're talking about this one yes that one if it comes the other way oh so if it comes down this way cuz it's like yeah all right that's exactly what it does it even like says that to you on its way out all right uh I mean not a bad first ball um but definitely wants yeah definitely looking for more because of the fact oh w the after playing what was their they didn't play sorcerer what was their last game they did play Doodle buug you could move that game uh after playing that and and you know you just do one of those you're just hitting the lock down bar downwards I'm making the motion you guys can't see it at home I was like uh because we're watching the most important people here uh here we'll just I'll draw some arrows right he's hitting that yeah he's hitting that the twoand the two-handed yeah it's a really great thing it's like why do you do that it has this deadening effect on the ball when it bounces all right got the eye oh nice that was a great those inlanes that outlane area is really dangerous so let's see if he well whoa I was going to say let's see if he tries to post pass this cuz you can do this thing where you hit the bottom of the other flipper and it bounces over which is but he hit the lit spinner which is what we all want to see that was huge yeah and he's already got all the letters there so so we're good so that one didn't scream down that orbit that's why that didn't go down the middle uh when it hits the center pop and just comes down oh he's looking at numbers yeah so that means he's he's going grid style oh and then takes out a spinner maybe that's from the left flipp he might checking the flippers to make sure that he didn't tilt as well yeah didn't seem like a very big nudge either so that was sort weird bit tighter just to make sure the games go a bit faster it's Classics oh nice move they didn't change it between qualifying in finals right it's just always no I I I think I didn't play this one actually but I mean I played it twice and it seemed okay like I didn't tilt it yeah match player was able to give it a few nudges okay interesting not sure see if it goes for spinner so finding the spinner is so tough on this because on that roll when when you're trapped and you let the ball go and it kind of like hops off the top flipper finding exactly where to hit it is it it takes a feel okay spinner lit upper left nice okay so it's immediately when it hits the bottom flipper just bang go yeah exactly hopefully this game's in Classics 2 now that I saw that all right I know yeah we've all got it down we're all big game Pros he SP big that's that's great y needs the M for game which is no one's going for that's the the lane way up right where it's probably going to be like that instead yeah yeah very difficult one to get probably a really interesting alley pass yeah it's like can you I was wondering like yeah be a bit scary if it hit that top oh yeah that I mean that's not coming back down the lane like that's just that's flying across but oh he's he's now pass Germaine I mean this is a great ball just from that spinner on the left yep and collecting the letters right like I mean the letters give him a little bit more points than the saucer yeah you know it's 2,000 per and he he's getting probably 16,000 or something like that every every light but it's really the spinner having the spinner lit on the proper okay he learned yeah um so the the spinner is just determined by switches MH uh for the 2001 so lit for Germain I do like I want them to just like remove the spinner sometime so we can like play like this beautiful Playfield and like do the Tic Tac what do these things do again and what it's like you know uh and there's like an XYZ it's like question do you know how many wires are under this thing to make that thought about that you're right that's a good point all right gets the other spinner that a thousand more that's only a thousand that okay don't know if he meant to do that I think he was just trying to trap it but I love it Germaine you did a good job 2x 2x yeah okay it was lit yeah what just happened this this was literally lit yeah so apparently the oh did the card switch or something yeah is that how this works I don't know so so both the 2000 spinner and the 2x both apparently just go out when they want to okay it's flashing now yeah all right we're so we're going to assume he has it yeah light yeah uh it looked like he was going orbit uhoh yeah and that was weird cuz it didn't light the M on game even though he went backwards through it so yeah that was super weird yeah bonus was great there so a still has a score to catch now yeah but he's got most of it in bonus 1 two three four five 6 Seven 8 9 10 11 okay 11 numbers yeah but the Tic Tac Toes are worth oh you're right the 5,000 this game is the like yeah no tilting yeah yeah no tilting for sure yeah or just hit you know some Spinners yeah I mean one oh my goodness I know all right right Cal down yeah this is interesting like you I think you should be good right now there's that orbit yeah that's why you said it where oh no no really are you kidding me I thought that was he crosses and bingos and Tic Tac Toes wow W great match though wow that was crazy wow I was wondering when he was on the left flipper like what he was going to do I was like did you know if you have an available Tic Tac Toe do you go for that knowing that it's like worth a little bit more because the the it's just so weird though cuz when you when you're trapped up underneath it when you lower the top left flipper it hits the ball yeah and it just throws off your timing great game there wow gerain will move on wow okay and that's a tough one and uh Arvid had that uh rough D bug game that didn't let him play yeah pretty much yeah so um I do not know what happened in the other playoffs yeah if they're still going uh let me see I think it's on the it's on saw a slight Shake of the head yeah okay we have standings standings yeah we're back on us all right yeah so that was that was a great round we'll be down to the top eight and uh yeah how many how many folks were in this one 160ish probably yeah 160ish sounds right I can uh find that for you one I I mean if you're not one of the 160 people like get here next year yeah for sure like it's super fun no this is a this is this is a great tournament yeah uh really really neat format a little bit for everyone they just keep on adding more tournaments like I know it's pretty crazy there was like seven pre- tournaments and we're all right so we're GNA tag out and we going to have some new commentators in once again thank you I'm Jonathan I'm Emily I'm Derek and uh see youall later [Music] indisk would like to thank Captain's auction warehouse 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Derek@ 27:26 — Commentary on tournament logistics and group scheduling

  • “I just want this to be difficult just my Pride Pinball my you know it's it's but it I mean it it plays just fine”

    Derek@ 27:45 — Self-aware commentary about personal frustration with machine setup vs. objective fairness

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    Doodle Buggame
    The Wizardgame
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    Sorcerergame
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    Swift The Champgame

    high · Emily: 'that's the epitome of like a one ball game exactly and you have to just shrug off the other four that are just terrible'; commentary on Jean's 50,000 ball one vs poor remaining balls

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    regulatory_signal: Flag 2 on The Wizard set to permanently on due to an issue identified during qualifying rounds, representing mid-tournament rule adjustment

    high · Emily: 'flag 2 is permanently on I think um because of a issue that came up during qualifying'

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    community_signal: Open discussion among commentators about player skill gaps, particularly regarding advanced techniques like alley pass and tap pass, with acknowledgment of practice requirements

    medium · Emily discussing difficulty with alley pass and fear of recovery mistakes; Derek noting he couldn't find spinners on slippery Stargazer; general discussion of technique practice needs

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    product_concern: Variation in flipper feel and ball control between different copies of the same game (e.g., two different Stargazers with notably different play characteristics)

    high · Derek: 'we have the second stargazers in the women so I was very used to that Stargazer and I was like I'll try the other Stargazer and I couldn't find any of the Spinners'

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    venue_signal: Pinball at the Lab hosting INDISC 2023 tournament with multiple machines in rotation and group-based playoff structure

    high · Multiple references to 'pinball at the lab' and discussion of group assignments, machine rotation, and rig positioning during matches

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    content_signal: IE Pinball producing multi-camera live stream coverage with real-time commentary team providing detailed play-by-play and technical analysis

    high · Three-person commentary team with specialized roles, detailed score tracking, camera positioning commentary ('rig is moving'), viewer count mentions ('just got Blackwater 100 new viewers')