Welcome back. Hi there. How's it going? It's good. Yeah. Yeah, it's a Tuesday night. Tuesday night. It's raining out. It's been cold. Feels like fall. Does feel like fall. Finally. What are we going to talk about today? Oh my gosh. Well, there are some news. Mm-hmm. There's some spooky news. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Talk about some fun stuff from the group. Yeah, what was fun in the Facebook group, if you don't know, Punk Rock Pinball Facebook group. Over 1,900 members in the group now. That's pretty awesome. 1,900, maybe close to 1,920. Maybe. It was 1917 last night. Yeah, could be 1920 right now. Don't know. Don't know. You should join the group if you're listening, if you're not in there. Yeah, and tell a friend. Yeah. Who likes pinball. What's the fun news from the group? Well, I don't know. There was a meetup down in Gainesville. Yeah, at the Fest in Florida. Yeah, thank you, Lauren. Yeah. For letting us ship you some stuff and handing out some stickers and T-shirts and stuff. Yeah. That was cool. Saw Eric shared he was playing the Elvira VPN yesterday. I like that game, Elvira. It's so good. We should have one sometime. Maybe. We also should talk about today, we got some news. Yeah, first I want to just congratulate myself. Second. Okay. I had a big accomplishment this weekend. What was it? I got second place. At the strikes tournament at Joe and Shelly Sharp's house. In the qualifying? No, in the strikes tournament. Oh, in the strikes tournament. I got second place. That's right, you did. Trying to undermine my accomplishments. Yes, and then for the match play tournament, I qualified in second. I did not finish in second, but I qualified after five rounds. I was in second. Everything was coming up, Mike. Yeah. Until it wasn't. So second place, CJ beat me. I think Shelly was third. We were the top three. that's my best finish that's pretty awesome in a tournament were you stressed i was not stressed until i would have had to beat cj three times in a row to have won because i had uh five strikes he had three and it was six strikes so i would have had to beat him three times and i shot a big game on Bond, I shot $420 million, but CJ shot $1 billion. In my Ball One, Corey Grimm, he listened to the show. He was watching the Ball One. And I did a lot Ball One, but he was critiquing me because I used up some smart missiles. He's like, those are worth a lot in Bird One. I'm like, I know I'll get more missiles. I did get more missiles, but I didn't get bird one so i got 420 million without bird one but i told cory what i was trying to do that ball one was just like rack up as big as many points as quickly as i could because i was player one and cj is good at bond but i think i finished ball one with like just under 200 million so i figure like that's enough to he might feel some pressure and did he he did until ball two and then he took off and then because his ball one he had like 10 million or something and then my ball two i went from like 140 million to like 380 because i got to power pack and did a big deal there so i'm like surely he's feeling the pressure now but then he did all the things he got to Bond James Bond. He hit all the jackpots and that. And then, boom, he's got 900 mil. Just like that. He gave a shot. But I got second place. I'm really proud of you. Really proud of you. What an accomplishment that is for me. It was fun. It was a doubleheader at the Sharps. They had a pig roast. It was super fun. Yeah, it was pulled pork. It was delicious. Sandwiches. Sandwiches. Those were good. That was really super fun. Yeah. And it was fun to do a doubleheader. Yeah, double headers are fun. First one was at 11 a.m. Next one started right after that one ended at, like, I don't remember what time. I think it started, like, around 4 or 5. Like, 4 o'clock-ish. So we were flipping pinball from, like, 11 a.m. to, like, 7.30 or something. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, for the hardcore. Mm-hmm. It was fun. It was real fun. I want to do it again. Let's do it again. Let's do it again next week. You know where we can do it? Well, before we talk about that, I'm really excited that we're going to have pinball back in town, like tournaments. Yeah, that's true. That's kind of big news for us. That is big news. So last December, we lost our location here in Bloomington that we played at. That location closed at the end of December-ish. And since then, we've been driving 40 minutes over to Peoria or 40 minutes over to Champaign to play in leagues and tournaments and even driving up to Chicago to play in Lily's League. So pinball is back on the week after Halloween. November 7th. Yeah. First Friday of November. Yeah. Every first Friday from now until forever. Till the end of time. Every first Friday, you can come play a monthly tournament in Bloomington, Illinois. Yeah, at the Golden Ticket. At Golden Ticket. Cinema, theater? It's one of those. It's like Golden Ticket Bloomington. It's like a fancy movie theater with a bar and pinballs. I think tournament starts at 6. Okay. So if you're in or around Bloomington or you want to come hang out, maybe you're one of our friends that lives up north, you might want to come spend the night. Calm down. And then we'll go flip at the Golden Ticket there every first Friday. First Friday of every month. Yes, every first Friday. From now until forever. We're so excited about that. And then there's another place in town that's going to be firing up some tournaments that asked us to help Tournament Direct, which is going to be great. That's at the Poor Bros. That's in downtown Bloomington. Yeah. Poor Bros, very nice little bar. They haven't decided on when their tournament night is going to be. It's going to be Sundays. Oh, right. But we don't know which day yet. In December. Starts in December. Yeah, some Sunday in December they're going to start it. And then they're also going to do some kind of like a weekly league that's not IFPA. So no points involved, just for fun. Just a little casual. Just a little casual league. So that'll be really fun. Yeah. I think at the first Friday's tournament there at Golden Ticket. There will probably be a Star Wars launch party there, launch tournament there at some point. CJ has the Fall of the Empire machine. I think it's in Galesburg right now. So Galesburg will probably have theirs first, and then he'll bring it over here. It's going to be cool. To Bloomington. I need more reps on that one. Same. Yeah. I didn't play it much at Expo. I only played it in the tournament, and I sucked. Well, I played in the tournament, too, and I didn't do super great. Yeah. It's a tough one. So, yeah, we need to play that one more. So I'm excited for that. It's all exciting. It is all exciting. We also have some other big news. Do you want to share that right now or do you want to wait? Yeah, we could share it now and then we'll get into the spooky stuff. Okay. The title is about spooky, so we click baited you and now you have to listen to eight minutes of us talking other stuff and possibly hear that dog barking in the background. I bet you didn't. I bet you might. Well, we'll see. I'll see you when I mix it down. dog barking at somebody probably bringing their garbage cans out or something his neighborhood he doesn't like it when the guy pulls in his driveway across the street stopwatch stopped um so what's the news mike you want me to tell it sure so we're gonna have also in bloomington so bloomington went from like pinball desert although poor brothers has had games. Poor bros has had games for a while. They just never had tournaments. But now we're going to be pinball rich. How so? There's this really badass building over just outside of downtown Bloomington where our friend David Rossi owns the Bombsite Recording Studio. You can see what the inside of that looks like if you watch on this channel, Smoking Pope's Born to Quit live album. Next door to that, in that building, we're going to open up Punk Rock Pinball HQ. What? And this is going to be a private pinball club. If you are from Bloomington or the area and you would like to join the club, there goes X-Men rebooting itself. email me mike at live from the rock room.com and if you can figure out how to join we have some really cool people that are going to join yeah we're putting 11 of our machines in there yep for starters maybe we end up doing more but there'll be 11 of ours a few of some friends machines and we have so we had a lot of you have been to parties at our house a lot of people that watch Those will now happen over at Punk Rock Pinball HQ PRPHQ PRPHQ. And it's going to be badass. Yeah. So when is this happening? I think we're going to get the keys like this weekend. Oh, by the way, I was just talking to my dad. I have to go to my parents this weekend for a thing, but you can still do it. Okay. I could get the keys. Yeah, you can get the keys. Okay. How you doing, Don? He's doing good. He watches? He does. Hi, Dad. I'm really excited about this. Yeah. I'm really excited so we can, you know, have some open houses in the new year, have people come down. Yeah, if you're in the Facebook group, we will be having, it's going to be a private club, but there will be ways you can come and play with us there. it also it also kind of has like a little stage yeah and maybe we'll do little baby rock shows in there maybe probably so that'll be cool because our buddy david next door has got a really nice sound system that we used on the popes did the thing there yeah just on the other side of the wall so either we could do the show over in his space or we could do it in the pinball space Who knows? Who knows? I wonder when we can do a podcast in there. Soon. But this is why you should, if you're not in the Facebook group, you need to join if you want to, like, come play with us there sometime. Because we will have pinball parties there that you can come and play in tournaments. PBPs. And it's going to be pretty private. It's not going to be posted, like, to the public at large. So you need to get in the Facebook group and they'll be posted in there. Right? Yeah. yep okay yeah so that's the big news that's our big news what's the spooky big news um well they released a trailer on sunday like a 20 second trailer maybe i don't know short one um no game field but just a back glass of sadly not planet of the apes i think that's their next one after this one yeah anyways that's what i heard but the backlash of beetlejuice and the backlash looks like i would think it would look yeah it's not blowing me away the artwork on that is not blowing me away i do like the theme i can't wait to see what it looks like but i'm not putting any money down on a game yeah this is what's wild is there were distributors taking deposits they shouldn't be taking deposits before the game even was announced one distributor posted like two days before before they shared this thing that like our list is full like all the deposits are full if you're a distributor and taking deposits in an unannounced game like that sucks it's kind of seems unethical and i've made notes like i'm not doing business with those just i'm not buying a machine from any distributor that did that you're you're making notes you're taking a log you're keeping a log keeping a log like if you took money from people on a game that's not announced and it's non-refundable i'm sure maybe it is you don't take money on a thing that doesn't it still technically doesn't exist it's true but it's not even been announced in your full That's some BS. Well. That's some BS. So I won't be buying anything from those distributors. Well, people are apparently real excited about the title. I can't wait to see it. Yeah. If it is building upon how cool Evil Dead was, it's going to be pretty great probably, but it's a lot of money to spend on something you haven't even seen. Yeah, $10,000. What? It's like $9,999, is it? Is that what it is? You heard that. You got to hear that one. You heard that. That dog howl. Yeah. We'll give him a second. You going to be done? Yeah, 10 grand. You've seen the back glass and you've seen the girl say Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. And apparently it's like voice interactive. What do you think about that? Well, I'm super curious how that works. Do you have to wear a microphone? I don't know. Probably not. But if you have to voice activate by saying Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, a pretty cool concept. But, however... What's going on here? You're so popular. Someone's ringing. It's super interesting to do some kind of interactive gameplay where it's listening to your voice. But how does that work on location or when you're playing next to a bunch of other games? I'm sure they've figured this out. I'm just really curious to hear how that works. I'm curious. Also, for me, that is not a positive. Are you going to say gimmick? It's kind of a gimmick. And I don't like talking to inanimate objects, really. Sometimes you do. Once in a while I do, but very rarely. I've seen you talk to your phone. I've talked to it, but I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy it. My dad loves it. Your dad loves it. I don't care for it. I don't want to talk to my pinball machine. I hope it's not something that is essential to a mode or something. It won't be. Just like let me hit the action button or whatever to facilitate whatever talking to it would do. I don't want to talk to it. It reminds me of that game that I had for the, what was the 3DO? Was that Sega? I know what you're talking about. What was that video game console? Console? Console. 3DO. 3DO. Who did that? It was someone weird. It wasn't Sega. Was it like... Panasonic? It was just called 3DO. The 3DO company, it was conceived by Electronic Arts. Oh, really? It was conceived by their founder. I feel like it was Panasonic. It was. Anyways, there was a game on that. It was. Panasonic made it. There was a game on that called Seaman. Mm-hmm. And which is a terrible name anyways, but it on your controller, it had a little microphone that you would talk to. And the whole game was like based in real time where you had this little egg that you had to grow into this creature that was a seaman, not seaman, seaman. And he's absolutely frightening. Did you find a picture? Of the 3DO? Of the seaman on 3DO. No, but I was just trying to see when that was released. I'll put a picture up over here somewhere. As this little creature grows, he turned into something from a nightmare, but you had to talk to him through this little microphone, and it was gimmicky and absolutely frightening. But see, that's innovative in 1993. Yeah. It's innovative in 1993. Was it 1993? Yeah. Huh. I don't know when Seaman came out, but the console was, like, announced in 93. Yeah. So you could talk to it? Like, holy cow. Yeah. You could even, on that system, too, you could connect it up to your, like, your internet. Your, like, dial-up internet to, like, play with other people. I wonder how that would work. I have no idea. Because we could never get it to work. It didn't really work for us. So it seemed like a groundbreaking system, maybe a little ahead of its time. I think it kind of flopped. It was a huge flop. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I got thoughts on that trailer for the Beetlejuice. I think it was Sketchy Distros took deposits. I watched a podcast with Zach Maniana. He wasn't happy about that. But aside from that, people are going giddy over the trailer. And I just got to say this. If this trailer, if Stern gave you that trailer, the pinball, probably not the people that watch us because people that watch us are the cool ones. Yeah, they're in the group. But the general pissy pants part of the pinball community would be shitting all over Stern for that trailer. They didn't show anything from the play field. They didn't show blah, blah, blah. Well, that's what they did for the Star Wars trailer. Because they showed you, okay, the Star Wars trailer didn't show you a back glass. So it showed you nothing. It showed you the name of the game. But the Beetlejuice one essentially shows you nothing. and people are losing their shit. Well, you don't even see the full back glass because the girl... You don't even see the full back glass. The silhouette of the girl's head. But yeah, you really... That really struck a nerve for you. It's just... I just find it funny that... And I want to see the game. It's going to sell out. I want to play the game. I'm excited for the game. I got nothing bad to say about the game. Who knows what it even is. It's just where we're sitting right now where I think it's bizarre that like Stern, anything they do is going to get shit on. And anything Spooky does is going to get applauded. And that's just where we're at right now. And I think it's psychologically from the community like a weird deal. Yeah, it's a weird group. Like, it's weird. It is like I feel like there's a lot of. if you talk to normal people out in the world, it is normal It just like anything else You go into the internet into these groups that are I guess I mean I don feel that way about our punk rock pinball group No But if you go into these like hardcore pinball groups these people are crazy And they, it's like mob mentality. One person says something shitty and then everybody has to pile on with like more shitty things to say. And if you defend like Stern, you're like a Stern bootlicker. Yeah. as though Stern is some megacorp like Amazon or Walmart or something. You know what I mean? It's like a small American company that's slightly bigger than Spooky, but they're both small American companies. So how about we want them all to succeed? Yeah, Stern is not even a publicly traded company. No, it's a privately held company. At least I'm pretty sure. Bigger than Barrels of Fun. and I hope this Beetlejuice machine is awesome and I we played the Winchester Mystery House from Barrows of Fun that was awesome and I hope all three companies succeed greatly but then you see all these because we watch a lot of pinball content and it's like are the boutiques taking over? who cares? they're making some good games, it's awesome but then you have this whole like anti stern element where it's like anything they do is gonna just be like that's a piece of shit and like anything the boutiques do it's like this is freaking great and it's just wild it is just wild so i'm not here to like say like the most recent stern game is the best thing ever i think it could have been better the fall of the empire game it's a fun game i think it was it could have had more that you know that at that thing could have been much larger and featured more prominently somewhere like was that like a home run of a game no but like was jaws a home run of a game i think yes was metallica remastered a home run of the game yeah because like stern hasn't done anything forever like metallica remastered is like a year old and it's one of the best games released that year maybe the best game released that year jaws was also released last year jaws was the year before i think it was no no well okay so in the same year they did jaws and metallica remastered yeah and then like but they suck now yeah because the star wars isn't that great and you didn't like D&D. And Uncanny X-Men has some issues. And Wick was too hard. And Wick's too hard. And it isn't. Anymore. Anymore. With the new code. Thank you, MXV. Yeah, thanks, Mike. It's just weird. And I think if they announce whatever they announce next, whether it be Fallout or Pokemon. I'm more excited if it's Fallout than Pokemon. I would love either or if it's like a Walking Dead remaster I feel like whatever they do there's this huge percentage of the people that are going to be like this sucks this is lazy they're greedy yeah it really like um it made made me sad after Expo somebody was complaining in one of those groups I don't remember what they were complaining about but they were like Stern, stop being so lazy. Do better. Yeah, work harder. Work harder. That's what it was. Work harder. And then there was a gal from Stern that we met. I think she's in the Facebook group too. It probably was like, I can't fucking take it anymore. And so she commented, I do work hard. We all work hard. And she commented. And then all of these people started piling onto her saying like basically that person's a troll and we know like we know you guys work hard and just like man that would just if i worked in the pinball industry there was no way i'd ever go on to any of those those boards yeah it's it's got to be nuts it's gonna make you so mad because at the end of the day and you've seen it like a million times like Stern's greedy and it's like I think Stern has expenses that are probably 10 times the size of any of these other companies so they have to do things to make money like put out a topper that's $1,800 that may or may not be worth $1,800 they have to put out a shooter rod for $200 that may or may not be worth that and then they need some people to buy it so they can have a profit margin yeah but i think ultimately the the people designing the games and doing the rules for the games and artwork for the games are trying and working their asses off to make the best game they can with what they got with what they have to work with they're not trying to make like a shitty game no and i think everybody at spooky pinball is working their asses off to make an incredible game and everybody with barrels of fun is working their asses off to make an incredible game and same with jersey jack yeah and it's all like people in a small industry working their asses off to make as good of games as they possibly can all of them totally and like you can't really compare it's it's not a straight up comparison like the the building that stern is in And I know JJP is not that far from Stern. I've never been to their facility. I don't know what it looks like, but I'm sure it's nice. But they're in Chicagoland where the square footage for that space is a heck of a lot more, I'm guessing, than it is in that tiny town in Wisconsin where Spooky is. Like, dramatically different. The overhead costs are dramatically different. and the number of employees they have that too so do we want do we want because a lot of people on the collector side are like stern needs to reduce how many they do and like they need to make 500 le's not a thousand and they i do think they need to add a little more to their le's for 13k because a spooky Evil Dead for 10k when it was 10k is every bit as good as a $13,000 Stern LE. So maybe they need to figure that out. But you want them to make fewer LEs. You want them to announce fewer gains. So if they do that, people are going to lose their jobs. Yeah, don't raise prices, which they didn't. And they didn't raise prices. And I know their goods everything that's going into those machines has increased significantly. They didn't raise the prices. If they release fewer games, we have fewer games to choose from to buy and play. I think they should keep releasing as many games as they can if people will buy them. Everybody. I still think the Stern Pro, whether new inbox or used, is by far the best bang for your buck in pinball is a Stern Pro. We love those. They're great. You can buy a good used one for $5,000. So what else can you buy? Like a modern pinball machine for $5,000. And what are they brand new? $69.99? $7K? Something like that. $3,000 cheaper than the Harry Potter Arcade Edition. $3,000 cheaper than Beetlejuice. and as far as shooting, the Sterns shoot the best. Boot licker. I'm a boot licker. But I want a Beetlejuice. We tried to buy the Winchester Mystery House from Barrels of Fun. We tried. So did a lot of people. A lot of people did. We tried to give them our money. And I think for a high-end pin, a Spooky at $10K is the best value for a $10K pin because the Barrels is $11.6, and a Stern Premium is just under $10. Yeah. So you're getting more in the spooky than you are in a Stern Premium, which is probably why Evil Dead sold out and why this Beetlejuice is going to sell out because it's going to have tons of shit. You don't like all that shit, though. I just don't want to talk to it. I like all the stuff in there, in the world under glass. You like that world? I like the world under glass. But I don't need it. I mostly care, like, how does it shoot? Yeah. So we'll see. When do you think we'll actually see this beast? November 14th. I mean, in real life, when do you think we'll be able to touch one? When do you think Pinball and Perry? Pinball and Perry, probably one of the first ones out will be to Pinball and Perry. Yeah, we'll have to go out there. And we'll go out there. Ryan, let us know when it's coming. Uh-huh. I'm sure it's ordered. It's got to be ordered. Oh, for sure. Because he's got all the spookies. He's got all the alls. Everything's. yeah i guess i did do some stern boot licking there but i don't care lick that boot i shilled them up i showed them up stern shilled it oh my god but but that's not to negate like what spooky is doing like evil dead was awesome it was great if you could get it for 10 grand we would probably have one you can they were 16 right now used it insane so that got to come down we We working on maybe getting a halloween what that fellow name from the facebook group who talks about play at first albert yeah yeah albert play before you pay this is the way that's what he says uh-huh i agree yeah what's his last name i'm sorry albert i can't remember your last name i feel like it starts with an a i feel like it does too. I was trying to find you. There's too many posts in and out. It's too busy of a group. He's from Canada, I think. But he is a staunch proponent of even if it means you'll miss out on a game, you need to flip on a game before you buy it. And I don't disagree. Yeah, totally agree with you, Albert. I don't disagree. And then you have people paying before you even see it. not only have you not played it, you haven't seen it. And even some paid before it was even announced. You seen it? I seen it. I seen it. Albert Agar. A-G-A-R? Yeah. Agar? Agar? Wise man. Wise man. Play before you pay. This is the way. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's a Mandalorian thing. This is the way. Well. Yeah. And I agree with him. And so we tried to do that with the Winchester Mystery House, and we missed out on the game, but that's okay. That's all right. There'll be more. There's going to be other games. Yeah. It's fine. There's other pinballs in the sea. There's lots of pinballs out there. We did a list the other night. There's like 50 or 60 on our list that each of us would want. We also did a list that we don't have to talk about right now because we probably will run out of time. But one of our friends, Tony, told us that we're being shills and being too positive about things. And he said it's okay to say some negative things sometimes, which I think we did today. But we did come up with our own least favorite pinball machines. Yeah. But we don't have to talk about that right now. Yeah, we'll give you our five least favorite pinball machines because we're just talking about what we like. Yeah. I don't think we said too much negative today, just about certain things. Yeah. I didn't like crap on any game. No, but you made it up with your bootlicking. Yeah. Yeah. that's what i'm gonna call this episode on the audio stern bootlickers bootlicker mike's a bootlicker listen to it lick lick i'm like a i'm like a pinball company bootlicker because i want to have i want barrels of fun to sell shit loads of games i want spooky to sell shit loads of games i want jersey jack to sell shit loads of games pinball shill and i want stern pinball to sell a shitload of games and if i had unlimited money i would have all of them i'd buy them all i love them all fill up that whole space there's just five that we wouldn't buy yeah we're going to talk about that next week yep and if you think you know what those five are comment below let us know what you think they are let us know what your least favorite games are it's okay let's let it out because i would say these five we're going to talk about next week i wouldn't take it if you wanted to give it to me for hell no any of them no way one of them i'm not even going to say the name but when i plunged it at expo what did i call it it didn't even do this it was like a limp dick yeah it was terrible and if that is like i if if jjp oops i let that slip it's a jersey jack it's not it's not a newer But if they brought that to Expo, thinking this is the best example of our game, you can keep it. Keep it. I wouldn't want it. There's a Stern on the list. There's a Jersey Jack on the list. And the others are like, are they old Williams? Valley? I don't even know what that one is. I hate it so much. It's at Galloping Ghost. That's another hint. Two of them are there. Yeah. They're old ones. not super old but yeah they're like you can keep it not interested not even interested to then turn around and sell it I don't even want anything to do with it don't even want to touch it especially that plunger oh so gross so gross yeah I think that was pretty good I think we're close to a half hour and hey anybody know why does my X-Men why does my X-Men reboot all the time when it's sitting here. The Uncanny X-Men over there. It just reboots. So weird. What's the deal with that? Did it do it when it was sitting over there? After the last code update, it does that. And now this is being weird. Well, that's Cyclone. Yeah. It's a little bitey. It's just weird. It's a little bitey. I think that one just reset, too. But the Uncanny X-Men, it feels like about... If it's sitting in track mode there, It'll just reboot itself. Is there something with our power supply? Maiden didn't do it. Yet. Welcome to my world. Under glass. Is that what he says? Yeah. All right. It's a good one. It is a good one. I used to hate that one. Now I like it. I know. I like it, too. I don't like the music. It reminds me. I've never been an Iron Maiden fan, and it reminds me, like, listening to it now, it's like heavy light rock. It's weird. I don't like it. No. It's, it's, I don't like it. It's almost as bad as Rush. I don't know about that. I would take a Rush, by the way. It's not on my top five. On your five worst? Yeah. No, Rush is great. I know. I'm just saying, don't think it was Rush. Trying to get David Rossi to buy a Rush. He loves Rush. Mm-hmm. And he's going to be in the pinball clubs. needs to buy a machine. Should be a rush. Probably. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like this Iron Maiden music. Me neither. Just don't. Not one bit. Not one bit. But the game? Great. Pretty good game. Didn't like it. But this is why we bring these. This is why we foster. Yeah, we don't own that one. No. We don't own either of these. Yeah, I like that episode. It's a good episode. I licked Stern's boots. All right. I licked everybody's boots. apparently i shilled it out you were just a bootlicker being a pinball shiller but i still i still say i'm not really showing new in box pinball because you should buy used ones yeah make your money go far yeah buy used ones from somebody that's gonna go buy a brand new one so that way we keep the new ones selling yeah we keep it cycling i want the new ones to sell but as a frugal consumer, you shouldn't be the one buying it. You should buy a used one from a guy or gal that's going to go buy a brand new one. Unless you love the theme and you just got to have it, then Stern would love that. You got to have it, like do what you got to do. We did that with the Jaws 50th. Yeah, but just know that it doesn't take long for those used ones to hit the market. No. With like 50 plays. Yeah. Who are those people? That's a whole different thing. That's a whole other topic of discussion. Who are these people that buy a brand new machine and then play it like 100 times, maybe 150 times, and then sell it? And it's not dealers. It's not dealers. It's not like Troy taking it to a show and letting people play it. It's not that. It's like people. Yeah, like I saw Flip N Out Pinball had a Kong LE for sale. I want to say it had 53 plays. and it was like $10,900. And they said they took it in on trade. They took it in on trade. 53 plays. You spent $13,000 and then just lost at least $2,000 and you played it 53 times. It's just, who are these people? That's like a day. I want to interview one of these people. Who is this? Yeah, I would love to. If you've ever traded in an LE. Have you ever traded in an LE? Has that ever happened to you? Have you ever traded in an LE that you only played 53 times? Would you email me? Mike at livefromtherockroom.com so I can ask you some questions. We got some questions. Maybe your annual household income is like $2.5 million and you just don't give a shit. That's the only thing I can think of. That's all I can think of. Yeah. Well, we can talk more about that next time when Mr. Moneybags emails you. Yeah. Maybe I'll get an email from that guy that traded in that one to flip it out. I'd like to hear. Uh-huh. Like, no, I'm not really judging, but I'm judging. A little bit. Like, what are you doing? But we're gen X. You played it 50 times. Yeah. What are you doing? What are you doing? Explain to me what happened. Would you buy it? And if you traded it in, you traded it for something else. Mm-hmm. Are you going to play that 50 times and trade that in? I don't know. We've got to interview this guy. Gotta know. Gotta know. If you've ever bought a pinball machine for $13,000 and traded it in with 50 plays, email me. We gotta talk. Yeah. All right. Yeah, let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. Okay. We'll talk to you next week. What were we going to talk about next week? Our least favorite, five favorite. I've said it. It's out there. We have to do it. It's out there. Maybe we can do it from the new space. boy we what it might not have anything in it okay but who knows okay probably the one after that okay okay all right see you guys next time bye bye toodaloo