pop those extra wide collars baby it's time for wop again episode number 35 is coming at you we're in a 1980s mood miami vice is rolling through my brain i'm here with my boy retro jingo coming live from denmark how you doing sir i am doing great buddy everything 80s is just pure awesome I love the 80s. I love the 90s. The heat is on, baby. The heat is on. Let's talk about pinball, baby. Pinball! Man, I'm hyped up like Axel Foley over here on a line of white powder, but we ain't doing that no more because it's all fentanyl and you can't trust it. Oh, my goodness. The Big 35, Donnie. Yeah. Show number 35. How does it feel? I'm energized. It feels so good that Stern is probably going to do a black and white version of this podcast soon as an anniversary release. Come on, do it. This is going to be the thing they're doing. In this episode, gentle listener, we're going to talk about all the new things going on in pinball. We're also going to do a little bit of a throwback and talk about games that we enjoy that other people totally hate on, and we play them regardless because we don't care. Yeah, exactly, man, exactly. There are a lot of sleepers out there. The heat is on, baby. The heat is on. I like what I like, man. All right, dude, yes. So before we get into that though, man, this Patreon competition that we started, friendly competition, little banter, between WAP, We Are Pinball, and Don's Pinball Podcast, my alter ego over there. Well, I'm happy to say that we have surpassed Don's Pinball Podcast on the WAP thread. We've cleared 600-something a month, and there's a meteoric rise happening right now with We Are Pinball. And I think we're so high above the clouds that the only target left here is Canada probably. you know so oh canada you're next i say i mean game on we're riding dude we're riding the tiger on the tail i got some i got some secret plans for don's pinball podcast to absolutely blow that patreon up for my subscribers over there so this isn't the end sir but this is this is quite a spot that we're in but you're saying the heat is on yeah well we we actually we're getting asked because Last two shows, we had Josh Cox on. We have Jeff from Mad Pinball on. So we could – it was interviews, right? So we didn't talk about this. But people are like, what's going on with this competition? Let's hear, let's hear. I am at Don's Pinball Podcast right now. Uh-oh. Yeah, yeah. You guys like numbers, right? You guys like numbers. So Don, for the last two years now or something with his Patreon, very beautiful numbers as I can see. Don is getting $561 each month. Oh! That's awesome, Donnie. I'm blessed, sir. Absolutely blessed. Yeah, man. I mean, you have to be thankful. So Don is at $561. And us here on We Are Pinball, we're getting $620. There's some dollars in this house. Man, look at us go. I'm going to have to start some beef with Kanye or something in order to, like, I got a better idea. I got a better idea of cooking. It'll be pretty close to releasing it. But it's going to be phenomenal, something that hasn't been done in the pinball space, something truly for the community in a way that I think people really appreciate. So, yeah, I can't wait to hear more about that. Coming soon. It's coming up. Yeah, it's coming up. It's really cool. I like the idea. I think you will beat WAP. But this was so cool because we talked about it, and we got like $200 support, $300 support. And we took a screenshot from Don's Pinball Podcast, put it in our chat, and we're like, look at this. We're at $350, $400, $440. It just went up, and we hit $500, and now it's like $620. It's beautiful, and we hit it, man. We have had this for about two months now, so we feel blessed. Right, Donnie? Oh, yeah. I love it. This is paying for hosting fees. We're getting editing equipment. This is just paying for Zencaster so we can do these communications. Yeah, we just paid. How much was it? $261 for Zencaster. That was Patreon money. It was like 700 Danish candy crowns, whatever the hell kind of currency that is. Yeah, man. And also, got a message. It says, you know, RJ Texan is back. I'm like, when did he leave? RJ Texan is back again. Welcome back, buddy. So cool. And we got Combo Chug. We got another new subscriber here, Shane. It says, Shane, $9 AUS. So Shane must be from Australia giving us nine bucks instead of five, but that's their currency, I think. So, yeah, welcome, Shane. I'm glad Australia is back in the mix, man. They were heavy in the 1980s. It was this love affair with Australia, and we're bringing it back now for good reason, man. The place is awesome. I can't wait to go back. We love Australia, man. Welcome, Shane. Welcome to the team, buddy. Oh, we got another new supporter. Yeah. Rampmaster. He's active in the chat. Rampmaster, pro-level supporter. Welcome to the team, buddy. This is awesome. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Welcome. This is fucking awesome. Yeah, it's good, man. It's good. It's all good. But other than that, we're blessed with all the pro-level supporters. But premium level, 50-box supporters like Enzo Ferrari. There's more in this house. Enzo's live streaming on Pinball Underground right now. They're playing some D&D. He's loving the hell out of it. He bought one of those toppers from Ryan Tanner, the pinball scientist, so he's got that coming out. And Enzo cannot wait. He cannot wait. He's like, where's Predator Jet? Where's Predator Jet? Come on, I'm over here. We're going to get to it. We're going to get to it. I'm over here. We're going to get to Predator. We're going to get to Predator. Love you so much, Enzo, man. Enzo, thanks for the support on premium level. Love you, buddy. We've got our beautiful Jeremy Ford. Jeremy! What a guy. I can't wait to see him at Pinball on the Beach again. That was announced. They're doing it again. I've got to go get my sweet books. I'm totally going again. Cengiz, you should totally come out. Another beautiful supporter at Patreon level, Anthony Muroa, our own Banderas. Anthony is very active also, so thank you. Thank you for the amazing support, Anthony. We love you, buddy. Charles. Charles. Tony. Yeah. Charles at Collector's Edition, 150 bucks support level. We're going crazy there, man. I can't believe it. We love you, man. Charles Angels. Yeah. And we talked with this beautiful guy that's called Josh Cox. He wrote to us this morning. I love me some Josh. Josh is our $200 supreme supporter level. I mean, look at that name. Dark Galactic Empire of WAP. I don't know what we call him, but yeah. We'll keep making up names for the guy. He joined us on the show. Awesome to have him there. Love what he does. Love having him as part of the community of We Are Pinball. What kind of song? Let's give him the Euro Trash. Yeah, Josh, baby. Thank you for the support. Jade Williker, Velvet Steve, all the new guys, and we hit Donnie's Patreon level. It's beautiful, man. Let's go in and go back. Let's go back to 1987. Mick Tiernan, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Come on, let's talk Predator now. Don't you agree, Donnie? That's one ugly motherfucker. I'm getting goosebumps, man. This game, there was a point where I wasn't sure if this game was actually going to come out. Given all the turmoil that's been going on, the loss of a pinball brother, now we're down to literally a pinball brother, the follow-up to Alien, the lukewarm reception of ABBA, how do they even have any production money anymore? But it seems that it's actually coming out, to the point that Mr. Retro Jango himself, I guess he's actually seen this game, so I guess it exists, right? You could say that, right? I can absolutely say that. Yes, I have seen the game from different angles. You've played the game. You've had your fingers inside of it. You've licked the back glass. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I am excited. Now, I made a video where I said my excitement level, what can you use it for? To be honest, because if this game just had a pop bumper in the middle and nothing else and the Predator music, I was sold. I would have played it. So I'm sold. But, yeah, the game is a white-body game. It has three flippers. It has awesome Predator artwork. And the details, these guys have been watching the movie over, over, and over again. There are so many cool details that I cannot wait to share with you guys. I just made two videos telling about it. And, you know, people have been saying, dude like Kaneda, you know, exclusive, behind closed doors, patron only, pay us money, pay us money, pay us money. We don't do nothing like that. It's just open here because I'm getting asked, how did you get this kind of access to this company, to this game? Donnie asked me also, but a lot of people are asking what's going on. Now, I'm telling you guys, a lot of great games are coming up all the time. Like every three months, we got a new game, right? Donnie, this is so cool. Love this hobby. It's beautiful, right? Killing my bank account is what it's doing. But this time, when I heard about Predator, I was like, what the hell, Predator? So I hit up this company, and I have been – I know the owner of this company. So we go way, way back before they made games, before they had a freeplay.se webshop. Shout out. Before all of that, I knew them. So I hit them up, and I was like, Jing is here. I heard you're doing Predator Pinball Machine. I want to be a part of this. Include me in this. I want no money. I want nothing from you guys. I just want to make sure this game gets a great launch. limited numbers and under 10k I said this now when I said under 10k the response was it's gonna be hard under 10k I'm not gonna say no numbers but the response was it's gonna be hard well I mean it's just an Abaree theme I mean how much can it possibly cost Donnie you need to check out my videos on YouTube man I've watched them you watched it? Oh, okay, nice. Thank you. Thank you, buddy. Yeah, this is not an ABBA re-theme. That was the first thing I was like, is this an ABBA re-theme? Because it was like we talked about it. Donnie was like. Listen, that's exactly what somebody that was trying to cover up for it would say. You would say, no, it's not an ABBA theme. But we all know it is, right? The helicopters right there, the little whirlpool in the back with the magnet. I mean, come on. Yeah, ABBA was the test group for this layout. And then, probably not. It was the first thing I actually checked also because you talked about it. A lot of people talked about it. This is just re-skin of ABBA. But it's not. It has a lot of inserts. Inserts look completely different than ABBA. It doesn't have the ABBA chopper back there. There's no avatars? I cannot tell you what it has, but it has toys. Okay, but the coolest part, actually one of the earliest pictures I saw, in jungle mode, it goes green like nothing else. Perfect. It looks so cool. Now, I know the thing that people were complaining about, Abba, like the one request they had was if only this was a wide body, I think it would have shot better. So hopefully they do better here with this Predator game. What I'm curious about is on the back glass, trans light, plexi, whatever, is there a hole in the speaker to put your finger in right at crotch level of Predator to lift him up, and that's how you take it off? Because that sure was fun on Queen, getting your fingers right in the Queen holes. The holes are different now. Oh, all right. So different cutout. There's your WAP exclusive, listeners. We don't do the exclusive blah, blah, blah. It's open for everybody. Exclusive holes. You heard it here first. The holes are there. The holes are there, but they're different now. I cannot say more than that, but they're different. Okay, but they have updated it a bit. But it's just, Donnie, I've been saying this, on location, when, you know, Edwin Joe goes by all these arcade games, he plays arcade games, whack-a-mole with his kids, and all of a sudden he sees this pinball machine. He sees a Guardians of the Galaxy, and he looks at it, and he says, oh, man, I remember this back from the 80s. And he just takes his money, puts it in the game, and he just starts looking down at the flippers. Nothing happens. He has no idea he needs to push the start button. Now, companies, you can actually go into the mode, go into the menu, and go in and say, as soon as you have one credit, start the game. It's actually my bro that contacted all these designers, companies, and said, do a video on the display showing here, idiot, when you put in the money, press on this blinking start button, idiot. So they did that. They did all of this, but sometimes it's just – it still doesn't – we see this. It doesn't work. So on Predator, of course, it has got the start button, right? and it says start with big letters but the details on Predator now I'm not sure if this is just the prototype version or the real deal but it says start the hunt oh my gosh it's like this all the way all the way around it's just so cool I cannot wait But as you all know, I signed an NDA, but NDA is not important for me because if I break the NDA, then I just pay the fine, whatever, $10,000, that's it. The thing that's important for me is I gave them my word and I won't break that. That's the thing. I don't care. You cannot buy me. I don't care about the money, but my word is just – I cannot break it. So I'm so happy that you are almost the only guy that didn't push me for weeks. Come on, give me some info. Come on, come on. Who would possibly do that to you? That's so like no class at all, man. Everybody has that. Come on. And the most stupidest one was share all the pictures but watermark them RETROCENGO So if I share them then Pinball Brothers will know it from you so I will never do it Like if I send all the pictures and it says Retro Jingo and this goes out then it from me I mean, then I break my word. Right. But, yeah, people have been asking me like crazy, when will the game be launched? Give some details. I just had a great mod idea, okay? Yeah. I'm going to get some little laser pointers, like little cat toys, put them on the flippers, so as you're playing the game, there's just like lasers going all over the place. They're just like hunting for the ball. It probably wouldn't hold up, but can you imagine? Laser flippers. I mean, we're all different. Some people are into the other upcoming game, Predator. I'm sorry, Harry Potter. And some people like that. It was on TV yesterday, and I saw there were these flying elves, and they shot them with their sticks. And some people, yeah, you're laughing. You're laughing. Shot them with their sticks. It was a movie. I haven't watched them all because I fell asleep at the time. There's fairies flying around and they shoot them with their sticks. Man, what a Harry Potter hater we got over here. This muggle ass talking about sticks and fairies. With Predator, I'm wondering, so you say there's jungle mode, so this game takes place in the jungle, or did they decide to take a new take on Predator, and it's actually Predator in the city looking for love, finding milfs, sex in the Predator in the city. Playing music and the songs. Oh, God. It's like, it's Think Monster Bash, but Predator. It comes out of his little coffin. I mean, the light work, it just, maybe it's just the effect of the picture. There was actually, I think there was a first or second picture I saw, and it was just this green jungle mode. And it's just not just dull green. This was just fluorescent green, and all the sides are lit up. Everything is just, you're in the jungle, baby. Oh, yes. Are we seeing them follow the trend now of putting some sort of accessory lighting in the cabinet, like an expression light or an aura light or horizon lighting like Barrels of Fun is doing? You know, like, is it, like, swamped in light like it should be? I don't know if you can tell us. Have you seen Alien Limited Version, LV version? I believe so, yeah. Yeah. If you have played that one Then the sides are lit up already Oh that's right They have that technology on the LV Alright any idea about what trim levels Are they just doing like one good trim Which is probably what they should do Just put it out barrels of fun style One edition top shelf Here it is Or are they doing this whole like LV deluxe Ellen Ripley edition Of Predator I can tell you about the limited edition version Okay I can only say what I recommended I recommended And I cannot say anything else than this I recommended make limited To 300 only Yes That would generate some damn FOMO The scarcity This theme It's a man's theme. It's nothing for a girly man. You know, this is for 1979 boy guys like you, like me, like retro Ralph. Right? This is a man's theme. We grew up with this. This is Arnold. This is action. This is awesome. And I said, limit it. Limit this game for 300 only. And that's it. Hold it there and keep it under 10K. And they were like, oh, for the limited version? Oh, that's not easy. That's not easy. That's just what I said. I cannot say anything else right now. You just piqued my little predator hearing that, man. I just perked up 300 of a game. Yes. Yes. Wide body, predator. At this point, the only version to get is the one that's absolutely loaded. If I'm going to get it, I want a good version, or I can just play it in the arcade. I don't know if I really want to mess around with pro-level stuff anymore. What do you think about me recommending maximum 300? Dude, maximum 300 under 10K, I think that would instantly sell out for sure. I mean, I wasn't even really considering it seriously until like just now. Now I'm like, wait a minute. Only 300? I'm listening. Yeah, I just became way interested in this. Yeah. I hope. I mean, I cannot say what they said, but this is my recommendation. Maximum $300, it will sell out in an instant And I said keep it under $10k But let's see how it goes To say on the Predator thing I see they've been releasing teasers and things Which is okay to generate some hype But there's a I don't think you should overuse that Every week they put out another teaser But they haven't told us when it's coming out When to expect more information We're going to start not caring So I hope that now that they've been doing this teaser More frequently They're going to actually release this game soon because otherwise otherwise like this big this long list is ready okay it's ready everything's written down everything's planned everything's beautiful all the details beautiful because again i was like do not just release this game like ever like queen you know just queen just popped up in a in a mall somewhere that that was the release you know that was i remember watching that live stream it was not great it just yeah it doesn't matter for what they did but or other companies are doing to do not just release it and you know go to some youtuber or podcast or something and just sit down and talk for two hours boring so everything is planned teasers are going to be so very soon everything's gonna change that's the only thing i can say here's my marketing advice, right? I would go down to Guatemala and I would just start just viral marketing, right? I would just take mutilated cow carcasses and just start dropping them off at random places so it gets picked up in the news like something is out in the jungle and it could be chupacabra. I don't know what it is but it's mutilating cows. And then all of a sudden there's just in the woods, in the jungle of Guatemala near the Honduras border there's like a predator pinball machine just sitting there and like a pile of cow carcasses and it's like, look, here it is. We're releasing it. Order today. get the blood red spatter cow edition maybe I'm not a marketing genius but I think a trip to Honduras is in order for this game to be in true jungle mode but what I was saying earlier you know if they just keep edging us with like here's a teaser with no information here's a teaser with no information here's the bottom of a play field and then they go to release it and it's just like one day oh Predator released oh okay like it's just another thing you know like this should be building up soon to like Predator day there should be p day p day is happening in three days and we're gonna like there's a countdown timer on the website so at the time of the launch everybody is as hype as they're gonna be we're all collectively together hit and refresh finally we see the game the sizzle reel the live stream game plays there you're doing your unboxing and then it's like we're selling out 300 le's 500 standard editions order now they're shipping and we can get our predator that's how i I would want them to do a launch. Well, okay, okay. I'm listening, but let me just tell you this back then. Soon, soon, I'm not going to release this because I respect Pimble Brothers. I want them to have the biggest success. Soon, they will come out with a countdown date. They will say, soon, this day, this date, we will release it, and you will know it sometime before, and then everything will change. Perfect. So they will come up with it. If they throw in an ABBA as a pre-order bonus, I think that would be great. You pre-order the game. You get yourself an ABBA. I know they've got plenty sitting around. You want an ABBA pinball machine. You want it. I legitimately do. There's a lot of games that came out in the recent years that are just questionable at best. Galactic Tank Force, Burial's Barbecue Challenge, Road Trip. Just games that are like a lot of effort went in here, and you went in the wrong direction. What the heck? Like ABBA is one of those games that I legitimately would love to have one in the game room. Puny Factory, again, another like sideways, who was asking for this, what the heck. You know, but like of all those games, ABBA is the one I would like legitimately like to have at home just because it's so weird. And it's probably the best playing of any one of those weird games that we've seen. All right. Avatars, Dancing Queen. It's so strange, Cengiz. oh donnie while we're doing this you're stranger things topper i can see it in the background oh my god it looks magical man i love it do you want to hear something i do in stranger things the guy that that's the that plays the sheriff what's his name uh i don't know white beardy guy i forget jim harper actually remember him i don't forget because i don't think i ever really knew his name i just knew he was in the show okay he's a guy that doesn't call listen to this jim hopper is in stranger things which is in the early 80s right right in hawkins right so the thing you didn't know he was police officer in the early 80s and in 1987 he joined the military and he tried to hunt this base where Predator also was at in this jungle and he got caught and he got skinned alive because they find these guys in the beginning of Predator 1 1987 they take his dog tag and Arnold is like Dutch is like Jim Harper I knew him Green Beret. Are you sure that was his name? That sounds like the guy from The Office. Dude, isn't this awesome? Because the two guys that made Stranger Things, they're huge fans of the 80s. Oh, so this is like a real thing. Unofficially, Jim Harper, they took the name from Predator from the guys that was skinned alive. Oh, wow. Isn't that awesome? So Predator's like in-universe with Stranger Things. That's awesome. Yes. Okay. Yes. I love this. I love that. Exclusive. That's awesome. Okay. That's cool. Jim Hopper. Oh, my God. And can I say something? Yeah. Those skin guys. Yeah. No, I cannot say anything. There's something on top of the pop bumpers. Awesome. I want to see this game now. You got me legitimately. I haven't been hyped for this at all the whole time. That's the power of this, Donnie. Hype is good. Yeah, but we heard Pedretti was doing Tales of the Arabian Nights, and I was like, everybody said the same thing. Oh, I wish Chicago Gaming Company was doing it. I haven't had any hype. I heard Predator, oh, that's cool, and then, oh, but it's Pinball Brothers doing it, and I'm looking back at Queen and ABBA, and I'm like, you guys haven't had a good game since Alien. Now I'm back on board. I'm back on the hype train now for Predator. You brought me there. So, yeah, good on them for reaching out to you. And, like, I don't know any other Predator fan as big as this guy right here. And so even though he can't tell us any details due to the NDA, the fact that he's excited about it I think is genuine. So I'm reading into that hard. I mean, you're not the first guy that says all of this, but I just want to say when I talk with the team, filled with passion. I mean, our first phone conversation, I was like, of course, I have a thousand questions, but one of, I cannot say anything, but, you know, one of my questions was, did you pay for the soundtrack? Yeah. Do you have the music, right? Do you have the music, right? I cannot say what happened, but at the end of our conversation, it was like, Jenkins, we need this kind of passion. We need this. This is awesome. Yeah, like Jenkins, like perfect. You're not, you may not have ever designed a pinball layout or anything, but you got ideas, man. You know, you need like, you need some kind of visionary over these projects, right? You know, you got mechanical engineers, you got electrical engineers, You've got people that are good at physics and doing layouts and stuff. But, like, you need some kind of core person over this with a vision of where this project should get to, right? Like, you need some kind of guide, right? We'll use Gary Stern idea of a Sherpa, right? You know, we're trying to get all these very talented people to the mountaintop, but we need someone that knows the way to guide them there. And so that's what I see that's missing from some. That's how you end up with, like, a Barry O's Barbecue Challenge. Where were you trying to get to? A lot of talented people got together, and they all ended up in some parking lot in Delaware instead of the top of the mountain. I fully understand what you're saying. This is what we've been saying. We need people to get good themes and bring them to fruition. And so now it seems like Pinball Brothers, of all people, may be the ones to actually be doing this. We know Spooky's figured it out. Stern does a good job of bringing out commercially marketable games. But as far as something that's dripping, marinated in its theme, and its theme is good, it seems to be few and far between here, man. What they're talking about is passion. You can see Spook is Evil Dead. That game is made with passion. You can just see it. And then Pinball Brothers. We talked about this theme for like four or five months back on this show. right we knew back then i wrote to these guys i said man include me in this and i didn't get no answer for a long time for months i got no answer and i wrote second time i'm not a second time writing guy i am not that guy but this is predator so i wrote second time and then after some time Daniel hit me back and he's like, where did you get all of this info? Because I wrote some details. I knew he was like, how do you know this? Who is the leak? What's going on here? You know, and I was and I was like, it doesn't matter. Include me on this. Have me on board. I want nothing from you. No money. No nothing. I don't care about anything. I just want to be included. I can sign the India. I can do whatever you want me to do. I just want to make sure because launch, game launches are so important, Donnie. I mean the first 24 hours are so important. I want this game to kick ass. I get no money. I get nothing. If they sell one game or 500 games, I get nothing. But I just – this is Predator, man. This is like Terminator 2 for me. It's up there. It's so cool. I love it. And talking about music You know on my YouTube channel I don do just pinball stuff I also do retro computing Right And then mentions one of the godliest audio guys that was making amazing games for the Amiga And next to me, I have an Amiga. Hey, Spooky Luke is writing right now. Oh, live. All right. Yeah. I have an Amiga next to me, and they're talking about the guys that was making audio for that. And I'm like, this is both pinball awesomeness and Amiga awesomeness. And I love all of this. And it's just everything is just mixed into this. I'm just so hyped. I cannot wait. This is just, it's so beautiful. And I hope people are going to give it a chance. I mean, just give it a chance. Don't think, Abba. Just give the game a chance. Okay. Take a chance. Take a chance. Take a chance. Take a chance. Take a chance on me. Take a chance on Predator. Take a chance. If you could hunt the members of ABBA in this game. You need to buy both games. I will ask Daniel. I will say, Daniel, give Donnie a discount, man. Both games. Two in one deal. Right, Donnie? I'm in, man. If you can make it happen. Yeah. I would love to unbox an ABBA. That game is so weird. Shooter, Rod, I'm sending you something that Spooky Luke's working on for Evil Dead. Wait, I just got it. So there'll be an aftermarket realistic auto-launch device for Evil Dead coming out. Are they going to sell this? It's a handle of the boomstick with a clickable trigger to shoot the balls. Yes. Is it going to be metal? Yeah, metal and wood. Milled. Yeah, I saw the prototype. You guys, over on the Spooky Pinball Discord, you can check us out. He posted the photos. Go check them out. I think we should share them on WAP or at least put them on the Patreon. But, yeah, there's going to be like a heavy metal attachment handle for Evil Dead. We're actually pulling the trigger, shooting balls. I'm kind of hype on this thing, man, because this isn't going to be just like plastic 3D printed crap that I can do. This is going to be like real metal, real wood. I had a surprise for you, Donnie, and I'm going to share it right now because you just opened up Pandora's box, Donnie. Okay, let's go. So earlier today when you were sleeping, I actually hit up Spooky Luke, and I asked him, I have a question. Is this legal in U.S. to make a raffle? I'm about to record a show with Donnie. Donnie knows nothing about this, but I want to ask you first, spooky guys, because if this is legal in the U.S., I would love to make a raffle on We Are Pinball and then sell tickets for like, I don't know, $250. And then when all the tickets are sold and people pick a winner for Texas Chainsaw Massacre from Spooky Pinball. Whoa. Isn't that a great idea? I love that freaking game, man. Yeah, man. I just hit him up, and he starts his answering by writing, dang it. I actually don't know if it's legal or not. I think there are restrictions here, but I don't know. So let's find out about it. If Spooky is on board with this, couldn't it be cool? Or maybe $150 for a ticket? I don't know. Do you know if it's legal or illegal in the U.S. to do stuff like this? I don't know. I know Project Pinball does this to try to raise money to put games at children's hospitals. And no game is more appropriate for a children's hospital than Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Because on our last show, you said that Texas Chainsaw Massacre wasn't sold out, right? Right. Yeah, they're still available, which is a crime against humanity. And you're saying this is one of the coolest games ever, right? Not just me, like everybody that knows. and on show number 33 we had Josh over and he said this is an amazing game everybody should have a TCM right everybody loves this so if we could because you can see the support level our numbers no I said this before we check our numbers and I really want this show to be listened to more than our latest show and our last show with Jeff from Matt pinball it has got the highest listens ever and that means it goes the right way so we have more and more listeners the patreon levels are going up and you know when we have these patron chats you can see the people in there are in love with pinball like you and i they're crazy like you and i and and these are guys don't don't get me wrong don't do this oh i don't know how to say it in These are wealthy guys, you know. Say it in Danish. Yeah. These are people who have control over their lives. They have money to buy some extra machines. They listen to what you and I say. And I think it's clear that we should do this show where our members should have the opportunity to win a Texas Chainsaw Massacre pinball machine. Oh, how are they good, man? That's crazy. you need to understand this because you're like one third Danish aren't you I'm sure the icing around the middle is probably my Danish bit but yeah well dog in there then sir talking about this very soon this Predator game will get launched when it gets launched where should people buy this game from they should you could just go email jeff over at madpipa.com and get yourself on the damn predator list and not the predator list that you're probably already on if you're like my uncle. I'm talking about the predator list to get one of these 300 limited edition under $10,000 predator wide body full of a jungle pinball machine. I'm confirming it now. 100% confirmed. 100% confirmed. 300. There's probably 250 left. You don't want to be asked out like you were with Evil Dead. Get in on this now. Email Jeff. I think, Jeff, this is purely speculation. I think the list is already 80% full, so if you want one of these machines and don't want to be left out in the cold, where your only option is to have a stick and fight the genies flying around, you need to go get yourself a Predator machine. Bring it on. Jeffatmadpinball.com, friend of the show. Wait, wait, it's not confirmed. That's the first thing. Second thing, you know what, Donnie? When people order from Mad Pinball, they need to write on the code, right? They need to write WAP. That's very important. Listen to this promotion, you guys. If you order a game from Mad Pinball, use code WAP, we are pinball, and you will get an exclusive, a couple of exclusive, an exclusive t-shirt, a WAP t-shirt with the Mad logo. I will send it to you. Also, if it's a Stern title, free shipping. Free shipping. On top of that, on top of that, if you buy Predator from Mad Pinball, you will get WAP logo, you will get Mad Pinball logo, and you will get a little Predator logo also on your T-shirt. Use the code WAP, man. Use the code WAP. Do it now. All right. I'm on it, man. Yeah, let's do it that way, man. It's going to be awesome. But, Donnie, I'm telling you, do you know how it is in our business? This is not confirmed stuff with 300. This is just what I like. 100% confirmation. I can see it in his eyes now. Oh, my God. This is great. All right. Are you ready for the wizard now? The wizard. The ultimate wizard mode. Before we go into the wizard, I have one thing I want to talk about. So Mad Pinball, a couple of days ago, you could see it on their page that you can go in and buy a lot of American pinball games. Oh, my God. I forgot to write this down. At this count. I couldn't believe this shit. Yeah. Donnie, nothing bad in that. Okay, so we can buy a lot of American Pinball games from Matt Pinball. Use the code WAP, you know. And, oh, last time when we talked about it, like the day after Jeff hit us up, and we got the first buyer that used the WAP code, Joey B. Joey, oh! Thank you. Thank you, Joey. So that's so cool, man. But the thing I'm going to mention here is, Donnie, so you said for the last many months the signature edition of... Galactic Tank Force? Yeah. You said it was $16,000. As I remember, that game cost $17,000. Okay, I've seen everything from $15,000 then to $17,000. But the take-home point was $17,000. The take-home point was too damn much. That's how much it was. and now you can buy from Matt Pinball for $7,999 $7,999 holy shit new in box people's names are on that game that don't even work for American Pinball anymore I just want to when I saw this I don't want to curse let me be serious for just 10 seconds I don't want to curse but American Pinball I don't know what happened at your board meetings, nothing. But this just signing some ugly signatures on the apron and charging people like $10,000 for your signatures. I mean, who are you guys? This is butt-fucking the whole pinball community. I'm telling you, this is not cool, man. $10,000 for signatures. I'm going to make that my ringtone. Oh, my God. This is the hard truth. I don't care. How can you do this? It was the strangest thing because the perks that you got, you were going to get a lunchbox if you got the tank version, but if you got the signature version and paid $6,000 more, you got a thermos with the lunchbox. Oh, my God. I can get the exclusive thermos. And then when it came time to order these things, every one of them came with a thermos. Anyway, I think it was like an exclusive T-shirt. They took the 3D printed, like, sculpts that were in the game, and they painted some fluorescent paint on them. And then they advertised, you will get Titan rubbers on everything in the game. And I'm thinking, oh, a $25 value. Fantastic. For only $6,000? Where do I sign up? Oh, and the game looks like a tank when you fold it up. like literally nobody ever does with a pinball machine. And then you don't even get the – and the topper sits on the back, so you can't even get it through doorways. What in the world, man? What in the world? And the design of this game, what's his name? What's his name? Dennis Nordman. I heard he's selling them 1,000 under also. Oh, yeah. Him and Paul Reno, I think, were involved in the design. They've got signature editions in box on pin side they were selling for $7,000. Just new in box, come get them. I need $10,000 for a signature. And that thermos and launch box, you could actually buy them now. You could buy them at a show or something dumb. And they're all dented too. Isn't this butt-fucking the collectors? $10,000 for what? From now on, I want no signatures on my pinball machines. No, I don't care. I don't care. Take the price down. Do we have any signatures on your evil debt? So they did sign a sticker for the backbox of everybody. You can request that if you want one. So there's signatures on the back. It comes with a big sticker, and you can stick it up there. And it's just like, hey, greetings from the factory. So that's kind of cool. If you want the signatures, do you pay $10,000 more to Spooky? No, no. That's just like email. Do you pay $1,000 more to Spooky? No, no. No? You just email them. For free? Yeah, for free. So, Stern, if you can remove your signatures from the LEs and take, I don't know, 500 bucks off the prize, I would be happy. Oh, yeah. I would be happy. Remove that. Remove that. Absolutely. I mean, you know, my WrestleMania LE has Hulk Hogan's signature on it. Oh, wait. So if you can get, like, Hulk Hogan's signature, if you can get Keanu Reeves to sign it, if you can get Elvira to sign it, then, yeah, that's fine. If you get the guy that assembles the cardboard boxes at the factory to assign it, don't charge me for that. Don't charge me for that. Actually, to be honest, I love Ash in Evil Dead. So if I got Ash's signature on a picture, I could put it on the apron. That would be cool. Yeah, if Bruce Campbell signed it, yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. But if you get the guy that was the key grip For the buffet table We don't need that guy's signature Fine but don't charge me for it And please don't scribble it all over the apron Like the signature edition GTF It's like what the hell even is this man Like sign the bottom of the play field Don't sign the apron I gotta look at this shit On my previous video I talked all myself And I mentioned how cool the apron was And everybody was asking Send a picture of the apron Donnie theme integration the apron you have to take it out first on Predator and you were like what the hell like if you had Jesse Ventura's signature on your Predator it'd be like alright that's kind of cool you know you know I'll be an Arnold signature there come on Arnold Schwarzenegger you know what Arnold's last name is Schwarzenegger Schwarzenegger yeah yeah it's Schwarzenegger Arnold Schwarzenegger In the US, Arnold Schwarzenegger The newest movie of 1987 Coming to you in the cinemas Come with me if you want to live Oh yes baby Come with me Hail Mary Alright, alright, alright Let's go and talk some wizards Harry Potter $15,000 $15,000 as you jump in point If you want to get the castle edition of Harry Potter I'm hearing some shit about this So I'm hearing two different things I'm hearing that number one People are full of shit this game is coming out soon I'm hearing also that Somebody probably Miss Rowling herself made one tiny little Change to the art on the play field And now all the playfields that have been populated At the factory are all being depopulated Because they have to throw away These playfields get new ones And start building them again And now the game is not coming until September So the truth is somewhere Between it's coming this week and it's coming at the end of September. And I don't even know. The only thing, yeah, I have heard all of these crazy rumors also. It should come up the 4th the 12th the 15th yeah all of these rumors But the worst rumor is licensing issues don come here and talk about licensing at the week of release i have heard they're unboxing these games because something i don't know maybe something we can't something has to be fixed i don't know what it is but i just cannot believe that it's a licensing thing because the license were worked out years back yeah but i I think this is just a cover-up, just calling a license. Because, of course, nobody can say some mechanical stuff doesn't work. We have to work. If that comes out, it will destroy everything. Right, Donnie? Yeah, yeah. But I just don't believe it. I see what you're saying. Maybe the magical magnetic wizard wand ball travel thing isn't really 100% functioning, or it's frying boards and they're like, shit, let's blame it. This is not confirmed. 100% confirmed that this is just a smoke screen to say, oh, it's a licensing thing. The game is amazing and fully loaded with mechs and all kinds of magical things you've never seen in pinball, but we have to change the position of Harry's hand because he's throwing up the horns and we really need a flat hand. They're going to throw this away. Gosh dang it. 100% confirmed. Man, so the 100% confirmed rumors are running all over the place because I'm also hearing, like, this game doesn't have Hogwarts Castle in it. This game doesn't have any mechanisms in it. It's designed to be really quick and cheap to produce so they can make 10,000 of them. The rumors are going crazy. Well, I think Chris from Canada's Pinball Podcast, he actually wrote to me, have you heard that the collector's edition is going to be limited to 1,000 now? Yeah, I hate that. It will keep the value better than just unlimited. It is just a rumor. This is not confirmed. So like what we heard from Jack himself, a lot of things, but one of them was that the CE is going to be unlimited. Anybody that wants one can get one. It will be built for a certain time period, and then once that window closes, that's it. It will never open again. And then it was like, okay. Collectors are boiling on the Internet. The internet is like, no, this is not a good idea. It will lose the value. Just make $500, $800, $888. That's it. Maybe they're listening. What if they only sold like $450 or something and then the door closed never to open again? Now you've got something special. If they're just cranking out another $1,000 after they promised us that they wouldn't do this, now they've gone back on it. Now I'm thinking, well, maybe I'll buy one of these 1,000 editions and then later on they come out with a super edition later on because they changed their mind again. 20-year-old anniversary something. I don't like that, man. That's not fun. Don't you think this will sell out instantly? The collector's edition, day one, a thousand of them? I know there's a ton of hype that's being driven. I can't make a decision yet because I don't have all the information. I need to know how much this thing is actually costing me, how many they're making, when I can get it. It's going to cost $15,000. And I need to know what's in it, man. Because if this thing is like Hobbit but light and doesn't even have that much in it, is it really even worth jumping in now? Because my decision is – How does it shoot? How does it shoot also? How is the code? Because my decision is do I need to – do I want it first off? Then if I want it, do I want to get it right away at MSRP or do I want to take my chance down the road picking one up secondhand? like every other JJP release that's ever been out there. You can go get a beautiful Godfather CE for $9,000 right now. Godfather is not the theme that Harry Potter is. It doesn't really have anything mechanistically terribly interesting. I don't know. I just don't know yet. I've got to see. I've got to see. But we're getting more and more. Rumors are coming faster now. They're getting wild. They're contradicting themselves. so I don't really I don't even know at this point somebody's putting out rumors all the time to pay this kind of money I want to feel like super good about it like I can't wait take my money give me this game I don't want to feel like man I feel like I'm getting kind of maybe ripped off maybe I'm making a bad decision like that doesn't feel good you know I'm in this like nether realm between feeling good about it and feeling like on the way home from work today I was like you know what I'm getting one and I don't have to worry about it anymore We'll sell some stuff. We'll make it work. And then now I'm like thinking again, that's probably a bad idea. And now we talk. Now you want to buy Predator? I know. And now I'm like, wait, maybe Predator. Oh, my God. It's like that meme. I'm walking with my girlfriend, Harry Potter. We've been dating for a while. I haven't met her in person, but we've been typing online. And now Predator walks by and it's like, whoa, who's that? Who's that? How you doing? But something that destroys it for you is when you bought your J.J.P. game avatar. You got told, like everybody else, November we will build and ship the games. So your planning was, okay, November I will get the game. It didn't come up November, no December, no January. You just got your game. So you're still on the honeymoon with your avatar. and now another game is like, that kills it for you. And I understand. Yeah, yeah. I understand. Because, you know, I like having a J.J.P. in the game and the house. I don't know that I need two of them. You know, they're pretty pricey. Avatar is still a hell of a fun game myself. I'm enjoying it. Enzo is enjoying it. People come over. They love the game. I'm enjoying it. Yeah, like it's a good game. I'm having a lot of fun with the thing. but I don't want to just sell it for $11,000 just so I have somebody to roll into Potter again. Is it down there in value now? So Zach from Flip N Out Pinball had one for $12,999. There's one for $12,200 on Pinside. Collector's Edition? Collector's Edition, yeah. So I got to think that if I really wanted to just turn and burn it, $11,500 I probably could get an offer on it. I just want to confirm that Don, he gets really good prices from Matt Pinball, and he bought his for $8,000, so he doesn't care. Fuck that. Jeff and Matt Pinball. He got half price, so I can't complain, but I'm still making money at $10,000. Oh, my God. That is purely speculation. One very important thing. I just want to clear something up because on our last show, number 31, when we talked with Jeff from Mad Pinball, we were talking about JJP games, and we talked about that Cale Hernandez had some connector issues on location only. We have connector issues, and Jeff talked about it. And my English, when we talk, I have to, you know, think about it in my head in Danish and translate everything. I said that the USB connectors loses connection and we have to reconnect it. I mean, I didn't mean you need to reseat the cables. You don't need to take the USB cables out physically and plug them in again. That's not what I meant. When you can have these games on location and while the USB plugs are in. Now, the latest game we have on location is actually Elton John. And on location, Elton John, all of a sudden, bam, it loses signal from the USB connector. And we have to turn it off and on again, and everything works. And it's just so irritating, but we are in contact with JJP, and I hope they're updating this, because all of a sudden, it can lose some GI lights or no working switches or something. But they're on it. They're working on it. I just want to make sure that if you listen to episode 34, I didn't mean the USB cables are just jumping off. That's not the case. They just lose the connectivity. They lose the connection. No, they don't lose the connection physically. What's it called? Help me in English, man. What's it called? They lose the connection. Are they just like rattling out or something? No, they don't fall off physically. But the USB cable loses the connection. Huh. What's it called? I don't know. Like the data stream is broken? Yeah, the data just stops or something. That's what I mean. Now you know what I mean. That's weird. The cable doesn't just fell off. It's nothing like that. They just lose the connection. Don't say lose the connection. They loses the I-O digital transformation between the cable and the plug. Okay, that's it. Yeah, like his address gets lost or something. I just want to clear it out. Oh, because I was thinking it was physically the plug was coming out, and then you had to hot glue it. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the case. Well, that's a different issue then. But I said it like that last time. I said they lose the connection, you know. And in my head, we say reseat. When we have problems with Bella Williams games, when they lose connection, we reseat. We take the cables physically out, and we put them in again, and that's called reseat. And my head was in there. So they don't just fall off physically, but they just lose connection. And you turn it on and off and on, and then it just works again. But it only happens on location. That's it. What if that's like a coding issue or something? It's something, but they're on it. And I hope, I just hope on Harry Potter that that's fixed. We don't have no avatar on location. We only have Avatar privately and in game room, in showroom, and that holds up. No issues with that game. Nothing. But connectivity-wise, nothing. But Elton John, it just loses connection. I just want to clear it up. So if JJP listens, yeah. Now, I think that the $10,000 version, though, will probably sell pretty well. I mean Jersey Jack said the $10,000 version will have the same play field same play field bad art and everything I don't care about the armor that's painted if I can you know have $5,000 in my pocket we can work out something with some armors right Donnie I mean yeah of course they will have invisi glass they will you know they will Shaker motor will be missing, but still, you still have the Harry Potter theme, you still have the Harry Potter music, right? You still have the same play field. You won't have the plastic topper. So I guess the mid-range one is probably like, what's the point of that? Either go for the cheap one or get the good one. Why get the middle one? The middle one's going to have the plastic acrylic topper. Maybe it'll have the shaker motor in it, but it's not going to be this good. Right now, they don't, usually they don't do this standard arcade version, so The middle version is just the cheap version with the cheap plastic, you know, the limited edition. I don't know. I've got to see this game. I want it to release so I can actually just assess, okay, what is this product? Do I need to have it? Do I not need it? But, you know, Jersey Jack's Collector's Edition, starting all the way back from Pirates of the Caribbean, have you seen the armor of the Collector's Edition? Yeah, I mean, it's basically the same. Oh, wait, you're talking about Pirates? Yeah. Seashells. Have you seen it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at the apron and stuff. Yeah, Seashells. It has got some cool stuff on the collector's edition. And Donnie, you and I, we're in it for winning. We love this hobby. I'm telling you, everybody that buys pinball machines doesn't know about Pinsight. They're not in the community. They're like, oh, I have a lot of money. Oh, this is a theme that my husband likes. Oh, I just want to buy this one game. There are a lot of, should I say normal people? Because we're crazy in the pinball business, you know? There are a lot of people like that. Because you and I and a lot of people that listen to this show, they're in it. They know everything that's going on, what surprises, what's going on, what's good, what's bad. We know everything about it. But there are also just people out there that just, okay, so this is just a normal play field, and it's just 10K instead of 15K. It's the same game. You don't have the topper, and people are like, the topper, 5,000 more for that? I don't want to pay that. Oh, you're writing something. Is my voice robot voice again? No, no, no. You're perfect. I'm just jotting down some notes and everything because I'm just looking at all the other topics we have to get to, and it's like it's been an hour. We should probably jump over to Patreon. An hour already? The Patreon to do the rest of the talk, to talk about those games that we love that other people don't like. That should be our Patreon bonus episode, I think. Let's do that, Tony. Dude, I'm so happy we're getting more and more people into Patreon. I'm so happy all the Patreon. Every morning, I don't get notifications. It's just so irritating. I don't get the notifications. When I wake up, the first thing I take is Patreon. And the Patreon talk is, like, glowing in there. It's so cool. and when we post in there it just says we are pinball with our logo yeah so people in the beginning they didn't know is this donnie writing is this jeng is writing what's going on but now i think when we ride people knows who's who i just buy like yeah when they ask about predator information you know i just you know share a lot of stuff you know this is jeng is you know i know and you've been posting a lot of stuff in there too so thanks for keeping it active i do like that you know i feel like we're you know kind of in emblazoned to these people emboldened what's what's the word indentured i just like feel like i want to give them the most content i possibly can you know and and so so more is coming so let's head on over there you want to do that now yeah let's continue let's continue continuing there buddy so wait but our patreon shows we they cannot be longer than our main show guy main shows man donnie so how long is this one Let's do 15-20 minutes Okay, let's do that We'll see how it goes Thanks for joining us for another episode of We Are Pinball Episode number 35 We are steamrolling Straightforward through the heart of the industry Bringing more friends along with us So jump on the train We're going to head over to patreon.com backslash wearepinball Right now to continue the conversation so if your commute is still going on five bucks get on over there or more you know you do you if you need a game jeffandmattpimple.com use code WAP get yourself a t-shirt sent to you direct from us free shipping on Stern Games let's do it let's do it let's do it