Larry stolen, Frank Pen slow, espère news, Well, as you got all the call outs from Pulp Fiction, like it's just cool. Like I get that's it. Like if you're if you're looking at the pinball demographic, 40 to 60 year old, most likely Caucasian men who are bored with money to spend. Perfect theme for pinball. Probably one of the best themes for pinball of all time. This will be a keeper for most people. And people think I'm shilling it because I put it in order for one. No, I'm not an idiot. The This is like perfect for pinball. I would say you would be shilling it if you bought like 10 and you were trying to like slowly sell them but obviously I wish I bought 10. I mean yeah obviously you're gonna buy this and play the crap out of it. This is You want it to go up in value. This is one of the last few games you can scalp and the other thing is this with that topper which everyone loves think about it like this that topper comes with the game comes with it and the game is less than ten thousand if Stern made that topper it would be two thousand dollars. So now you're talking the game's like $7,000 if Stern had made it because the topper would be $2,000 to bring it up to $9,500, whenever it is $9,600. I like that CGC is putting everything in the LE. I feel bad for you SC guys. You can hear the SC guys right on pin side, oh yeah, I don't really need the topper, sure, sure you don't. I think it's the second coolest topper in pinball because maybe the third, maybe I would have to see it next to the Black Knight one, the automated one, but I do think the Mando topper is my favorite and that's even, I hear it looks way better in person. Have you got to see the Mando topper in person? No, I haven't seen it. I don't think they had it at the show. They didn't have it, no. I don't really care about the Mandalorian though, you could put anything on top of that game, what a miss that thing was, but we won't waste time on Mando. Okay, so you're giving Pulp Fiction, what would you give it as a grade? I would, Pulp Fiction, you know, with execution and everything, I think I give Pulp Fiction a solid A, and I think it is, I think they knocked it out of the park. Well, I, uh, Franchi's gonna love you using that term by the way, but I agree with you, I was gonna give it a straight A, I already have it down here on my sheet, so let's move on to, I think we pretty much agree Pulp Fiction looks incredible, good on them for doing that. I know that, um, I don't know if CGC and Play Mechanics are going to team up to make more pins, but I really hope they do because for their first pinball machine, they did a great job. So let's go. Mark Ritchie, Mark Ritchie's already working on his next one. He's been working on it for a while because this game has been done for a while. That's awesome. That's awesome. Scoop. There you go. You heard it here first on the Pinball Nerds Podcast. All right. So next is The Godfather. Now, I think this is the one we disagree the most on. You mean Who Framed Roger Rabbit with... Hey, I like Who Framed Roger Rabbit. In fact, I like it better than The Godfather, so... But tell me, did you play it? How many games did you get in? Were you shunned by Eric Minyer again? No, I'm just kidding, but did you get to play it? What do you think? Yeah, I played a few games of Godfather. You know, look, I'll say this, and it's interesting because I saw yesterday Eric announced how many total parts, or maybe he did this at the seminar, were in like his last three games. So this game actually has more parts in it than Pirates of the Caribbean and Guns N' Roses. And then you stand over the machine and it's their most, I think it looks totally barren. And I know there's a lot of parts for diverters and ball pathways. Look, I think this game, I've been sharing my feelings on it. And I know they just dropped a new code, I think yesterday, that added more clips and more call outs from the movie. But there's just something so jarring about a pin called the Godfather, and you stand over it and you see this like Looney Tunes looking mobster, which is the primary sculpt Valentine Temple, Peter congratulations, I love you so much Applesbos, Thank you, Chuggs, I really appreciate it and we're gonna make that a對不起 given to you guys from the very beginning of the interview because I appreciate how one person is who you are and 在姚天 espera多 near emayee subsidiary and may I just think they didn't know the movie at all and it's a hard moving to nail because it's a slow and then you know the question issue they have made it but if you're gonna make a movie this is like the equivalent of making Top Gun and then the pinball machines about paper airplanes if you ask me I mean this is probably the one we disagree the most with because I do feel like Franchi, again, grand slammed it, knocked it out of the park with the artwork. You know, he had to kind of go for muted and whatever, you know, he couldn't really do it as, you know, maybe... The cabinet looks great! Yeah, the cabinet looks great. The cabinet looks great. The playfield with the sparkles is okay. I know there's not tons of mechs in it, and I will agree with you, the one thing I don't like about it so far is I don't love either of those sculpts. They both don't seem to be on par with the theme. It's similar to, you know, what we were saying with Galactic Tank Force. Everything's not cohesive together between the music and the artwork and the back glass. So this is the same way It kind of like you know they have the bright hot rails at the side and you know all the different colors and everything which looks spectacular but make more sense in Wizard of Oz or make more sense in Toy Story don make as much sense in Godfather I get that but I do think from listening to you know in reading pin side about it I do think from a rules standpoint it seems like it going to be super deep very interesting really different the fact that you can steal different territories from other people is like super nerdy and you know if you played Settlers of Catan or any of these type of We're gonna make a fun game. I think, you know, you're gonna enjoy that part of it. So, I think someone's gonna love that. You know, I get that, but when is Jersey Jack gonna stop with this like role playing game way to approach rules of pinball? I don't wanna play Final Fantasy rule sets when I play a pinball machine. And I get it. Like, look, this is it. This is like Jersey Jack is going all in on this approach and some people love it, some people don't. I'm not a fan of these like overly complex rule sets that require like, you know, all this studying over and over. Like even like look at Guns N' Roses, 22 patches? What? 22 patches! 22 characters and Pirates of the Caribbean. I don't know. I'm more of a fan of like Lyman's approach where you can make a game deep but it doesn't have to be confusing. Right. I don't know, look, people love it though. Look, Jersey Jack's got its fan base and this, this, and I have a friend, his name is Derek, he loves these deep rule sets. I mean, he loves spending like months putting 6,000 plays on the game to figure it all out. I'm like, alright, I'm good, like, I don't have, I don't have that much time. When I'm looking at this list, when I look at Queen, Scooby, Final Resistance, Pulp Fiction, and Godfather, my guess is I'd be sick of Queen in about a week, Scooby in about a month, Final Resistance in three months, Pulp Fiction in about a year, but I think even with me being a decent pinball player, it would take me years to probably figure out all the nuanced rules and all that kind of stuff. Is that good for on-location play? Not necessarily, but, and I think several people said there needs to be more feedback with All of the tons of dope ties from the supernets, 감사합니다 of building what Mikeagement says true to his avoided We all have bias and I'm not gonna lie Jersey Jack out of all the companies cold shoulders me the most but here's the thing the big problem they have now is everything they're making is so overpriced if this game was 9,000 or 8,500 for the LE and 12,500 for the CE which it should be considering what their older games used to cost I think everybody looks at this game much differently the problem is who's gonna go buy this game right now you're gonna lose Ask your friends where to shop is it I'm looking at them just from a I can't afford any of them so I don't care I'm looking at as a guy who's just gonna walk in as a dude who loves pinball and I'm gonna play it on location and of all these pins we've looked at so far I would be tempted to go to Pulp Fiction but I'd probably go to Godfather first and that's just me being honest so you're what you're saying is if Godfather was priced like a Stern Pro you know what I mean or even if it was a Godfather, I'd probably go to Godfather first. So what you're saying is if Godfather was priced like a Stern Pro, you know what I mean? Or even like how Jersey Jacks were a couple years ago for their lowest end model, would it not be an A plus? No. Okay. No, no, no. No, no. So here's the thing. It's like I just have this real thing with theme integration. And I think Jersey Jack always sort of beats their chest as like nobody... Jack has said this, nobody gets more assets than us. I'm a fan of the movie, but I don't think it's the best. I think Guns N' Roses is the exception. Because Guns N' Roses, they got everything and then some, right? But if I look at the theme integration in Godfather, they don't have Robert De Niro, they don't have Fredo, they couldn't get it all. They have some clips that they're putting in the game, but you don't feel like you're playing the Godfather movie. They went off, and I get what they did. I saw the featurette, I understand their approach to it, I mean, I'm a huge fan of the movie. I like the featurette. I understand their approach to it. They made more of a mobster game that peppers in stuff from the movie. But to me, that's not the Godfather. And that's just my personal opinion. It's like, it's like a game that has like, it's surrounded by things that are Godfather elements, but it doesn't feel like I'm playing through the game. I'm playing the horse head mode. You know, I'm at the dinner table as Robert Duvall talking about how I want to get Johnny And I put everything fucking spontane into the movie! And the guy tells me off! And then he wakes up the next day... Like where's... where... where are the moments in the movie that come through in the pinball experience? And you can't just pepper them in as like, cutscenes, in between stuff! Hey, Kaneda! I'm talking to you right now! Hey, you know- If you don't like Godfather, I kick you out of the family! Like it says Bada Bing, like there's a part... It says Bada Bing in the game, I think. Like what is this, The Sopranos now? I thought it was an East Side Mario's commercial. All right, so give me a letter grade. Give me a letter grade. I think Godfather is a C+. Okay, all right. I got to give it a straight A, and I would need to play Pulp Fiction or Godfather. I don't know which I'm going to like better. Again, if I was just stepping up to play it in an arcade, maybe I would have a bit more fun on Pulp Fiction because the rules are quicker and easier to figure out, of course. A are All right, so before we talk about Foo Fighters, I do have to just announce this. Jack Danger, you are formally banned from the Pinball Nerds Podcast. Do you hear me, Jack? I have been a supporter of you for years and years and years, and I thought for sure after us having hundreds of hours of conversations on Dead Flip that when you finally released a pin, you'd come over to my pinball podcast first. Now thank God he hasn't gone on like 10 other podcasts and said no to mine. And he hasn't even said no to me, but he hasn't said yes yet. So Jack, that's it. I saw yesterday on Facebook that you said that you like to catch up on all your pinball social media and stuff like that where you're having a shower. So if you want any chance of getting back on my show, Jack, you're gonna have to do it. A podcast from your shower. And I mean it. And if you're not gonna do it from the shower, you're banned, Jack. But anyways, let's talk about Foo Fighters. I still love Foo Fighters, but I'm a little, I'm mildly perturbed with Jack because I really thought he'd come on the show. But anyways, let's tell me all about playing Foo Fighters. He's trying to sell games, man. He's trying to sell games. I know he's busy. He needs to come over here. Like, if I can get over a thousand listens with a David Dennis or a Craig Bobby, Jack Danger's got to get two or three times that. And who knows? If two or three thousand people listen to the show, maybe one or two is swayed by something he says. Now, they're selling so well, he probably doesn't give a shit. I get it. All of the above. I'm not going to get into too much detail here. I'm going to just talk about the game. I think it's a great game. I just think it might be super rad because I spent thousands of hours helping, you know, being in his chat and, you know, being part of that whole community. I thought I would get the exclusive for the podcast, but it's fine. I think if I saw Jack in person, I was like, dude, can I do a quick chat with you? All right. We get it. You wasted your time. He's not going to waste his. Let's talk Foo Fighters. Let's do it. Yeah. No, I think this game is... Let's talk about, I want to talk about Foo Fighters from a standpoint of where were our expectations going in, right? And how we kind of left after seeing the game. So I think everybody was like, ah, Foo Fighters, I was one of those people. I'm like, ah, Foo Fighters, you know, who cares about Foo Fighters? Like, they're not that popular. 20 million albums sold, Nirvana sold 80 million albums, Guns N' Roses more popular. So I didn't have high expectations of the pinball machine itself because of the theme. And I think this is one of those great examples of the creative direction they took with the theme was absolutely brilliant. You know, this Saturday morning cartoon featuring the Foo Fighters, right? It feels more Scooby Doo than Scooby Doo even does. And they've got to protect the earth from aliens invading. And then the animations, I mean, this is by far Stern's greatest animations to date. I think what I love about this game the most, out of all the new pins, it feels the most cohesive. It feels like they had a creative vision, everybody was on the same page, everybody knew what they wanted to create, and they made it. And it feels like, the game just oozes that. It oozes like this was a collaborative effort and everybody hit it out of the park. I think the game shoots great. I played it a bunch of times. Of course it's going to shoot great because it's made by, dare I say, Keith Elwin Jr., Jack Danger because he's a great player. And you know probably Elwin helped a little bit. And that's good. That's the benefit of having Keith Elwin in the house is I think Stern is a company that shares knowledge with each other. They're not like Bally Williams back in the day where they were all competing with each other. I think the game shoots great. I think it's one of Zombie Yeti's most beautiful art packages to the point now where we're getting used to his beautiful art packages so it doesn't stand out as much. But I love like the, I think on the premium they've got the, it looks like it's an ad for a toy of the Foo Fighters in the van. I love that. Yeah. I think the only thing that I, not that I didn't like, and I've said this before, at These prices, I don't really see a lot mechanically that was sort of innovative compared to games like Godzilla, compared to some of Stern's other offerings. And that is the one thing I would have liked to have seen is just a little bit more mechanical wow in the game. And I don't think it has anything mechanically, like if you've got aliens and you've got UFOs like, you know, make the ball disappear in a magnet or teleport somewhere else or fire Mark I don't know, lock balls in the van. There's really not anything mechanically happening that is that innovative. But you know, it is what it is. That's the new trade off in pinball. If you can have good artwork and good light shows and good code and good flow, you know, what's the new saying now? That shots are the new toys in pinball? And that's right. That sure as heck is the case in 2023. So what I'm hearing you say is that everything is good other than the main like, you know, The work's incredible, obviously. Shots seem really fun and unique. And you were saying Elwin Jr., but I really think there's almost more Gomez in it than Elwin, personally. But I haven't played it yet, of course. Yeah, maybe. Now, why didn't you buy it? That's what I'm curious. Because I don't like the Foo Fighters. Now I've been turned on to more of their music. And it's good stuff. It's perfect music for pinball. I just don't... I don't, you know, I don't want, with music pins, I only want to own music acts that I love. And, you know, I mean it when I say it, I would buy a Taylor Swift pinball machine in front of a Foo Fighters pinball machine. Are you listening Stern? Are you listening? No, you know what, I don't absolutely hate T Swift, but I would certainly rather a Foo Fighters just because, I mean, the same way that you feel about Guns N' Roses is how I've always felt about Foo Fighters. I've got to see them live in concert. I've been following them since Nirvana, obviously. I know we're similar in age, but like, you know, to me that was more so during my come-up, right? Like I was 17 in 1997, right as they were on their precipice of releasing their biggest album. So I think overall it's good and I do applaud Jack and I do applaud Stern. Again, I hear what you're saying. It would be nice if there was a little more mechanical in it. I do think that the, you know, the big bad guy right in the middle, that is kind I think that's kind of neat how you can, it's a bash toy, it also can hold the ball, you know, I do think that is kind of neat. It's obviously not as cool as some mechs that we've seen, you know, like in Houdini where it shoots the ball across the entire playfield or something like that. But let's move on past that. I've kept you way too long and I want to be able to let you go and get back to work. Plus I have two big shows tomorrow for the coffee company, so I've got to do that. I have two quick questions for you here. Number one, first of all, thank you so much for ordering some Angry Alpaca coffee for me way back. We didn't give Foo Fighters a score. I'll give Foo Fighters an A-. Okay, I gotta give it an A+. It was the only one on here that I was like, it's gotta be an A+. Maybe it would be an A++ if there was like one more extra cool rad mech. You gotta admit though, that bottom dead post bar that shoots the ball back in is pretty insane. Like, that's pretty cool. Andrew- Mark I mean, now, now it's on my shelf. Chris! I'm a coffee maker. I use capsules. I need to get one of those capsules where I can just put the coffee into the capsule. Okay, yes. Every single Dollarama, every single dollar store on the planet will have a little Keurig Capsule. Reusable one for a buck. You save the planet and worst case scenario, you spend five bucks at Walmart for a grinder review delegates vs programming I'm going to ask Drew not to fire me from the Poor Men's Pinball Network after he put in our largest order ever and it's not going to get there for MDC. Can you give a shout out to Drew to say be kind to Orby, he fucked up, he's sorry? Yeah, be kind to him, you know? He's filling your airwaves when you guys are too lazy to do shows, so be kind. I wouldn't say lazy, I think Drew is busy as hell because he's working like 60, 70 hours a week probably. He's selling houses, he's not a poor man anymore. We know, we know, we know he's making more money now. I had to bring me over there because now that he's wealthy, you know, I got to keep up the poor man side of it. So anyways, no, I'm totally just kidding. But Drew, I'm really sorry. And to everyone going to MGC, I apologize. I did restock my store because of that. And I will throw in a free pack of Pinball Nerds Podcast rating cards because I apologize. It's not going to get there. Hopefully, Drew will have it for a future show or he's going to fire back to me and then I got to sell it. I don't know. Screw you, US Customs. The last thing I wanted to talk about was when, you know, a couple of years ago, you I had some beefs going back and forth and I would often say that you had too many personal attacks and you were too negative, all that kind of BS. But what I did want to applaud you for is in the last year, in the last year, maybe two years to be honest, Chris, you've really dialed in and when a company is fucking up and a company is doing something shitty, you call them out on it. But when a person, you disagree with a person, you try almost to avoid it and just not even talk about it. And I want to applaud you for that. A couple times I think you've got drunk and maybe, you know, said a couple things you regretted, which we all do that. But do you think it's possible, I don't want to pat my back too much, but do you think it's possible a couple of the times that we chatted and I was hypercritical about your personal attacks and such, do you think that I helped sway you at all to maybe keep the show a little bit more positive and a little bit less about personal stuff? Yeah. Was he? It was all you, man. It was all you. No, I don't think it was all me. I'm just saying, like, can you give me, like... I did it for you. No, like, did I help a little bit? A little bit. Yeah, no, the thing is this, is like, nobody listens to my podcast or my Facebook Live to hear personal attacks, right? And nobody's taken more arrows in the back than myself when it comes to, you know, people calling me out, constant jabbing. It's fine, I get it, you know, that kind of stuff is clickbait. But I think our last few years, I've just gotten into this really great groove, I'm a fan of Pinball, Pinball is my passion. I love doing my show and drama and negativity doesn't make it more fun. And I think calling out the companies is not drama, it's just calling it like it is. And I think I wouldn't have the following I have. I have more subscribers than every single other pinball content creator combined on Patreon. Every single other one, right? Why is that? It's not because I'm just being a jerk, it's because I'm saying stuff that other people Agree with. And that's why those people subscribe. And also the shows now are 20 to 30 minutes, right to the point, unlike this show. Albert, I'm just joking. I'm sorry. They're right to the... No, they're right to the point. And it's easier, but it's easier when it's just one guy going. It's a lot easier to just cover off on everything happening in the hobby, say my point of view, and then move on. And I've also tried to avoid any of the real drama. I got into a little bit on a drunk rant when people say the numbers don't lie and then they don't share the numbers. That annoys me a little bit because I worked really hard for all the numbers I used to get and I've always been very transparent about my numbers. I've never hid how many people listen. I've never hid how many people subscribe to the show. And that's it. But I don't really... At the end of the day, we're all in this to entertain people and have fun. And if it crosses the line and starts to become personal attacks, everybody loses. I mean it. Everybody loses. You're right. Now, that's it. That's it. Nobody's here to be a downer. Everyone's here to celebrate the thing we love. And I think, you know, the Kaneda fan club and the Facebook lives have been nothing but a lot of positive energy on a weekly basis, right? We keep this community entertained when most of these companies, even though they just The only way you're going to get new entertainment is if you connect to the content creators, because we fill the gaps between game launches, and there's going to be a big gap coming up now. Well, speaking of the numbers don't lie, I am always shocked if I happen to miss a Saturday morning spectacular, which I always try to make, but if I happen to miss it and I go and watch on the Sunday or the Monday, I'll see sometimes 1,500, 2,000 people are We're watching this after the fact. So I can tell you this right now, I appreciate your Saturday mornings. It's become part of my Saturday morning routine no matter where I am. Like I've had to pay extra data fees just to watch you talk on Saturday mornings when I'm not home. So thank you so much for everything you do on Saturday mornings. Thanks for being the most honest, even though sometimes painfully honest, pinball podcaster on the planet. Keep doing what you're doing and I'm going to let you go and go join the club. Anything else you want to say to all the listeners before I let you go, Chris? No, I mean if you want to join the Kaneda Club, we would happily have you. Just, I guess, Google search Kaneda Pinball Podcast in Patreon. It is only $5 a month for the greatest pinball podcast, the second greatest next to the poor man's. And Albert, I'm really happy to have you back in the club, brother. And that's it. Everybody enjoy your machines and let's enjoy pinball together. I think it's a great hobby to be in and I'm super happy to be a content creator in this space. Thanks so much, Chris. Keep it positive and have yourself a rad weekend buddy. I can't wait till the spectacular tomorrow morning. So until next time pinball nerds, remember to eat, sleep and breathe. Kaneda's Pinball Podcast.