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Episode 173 – My Opinion is Truth

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 26m·analyzed·Sep 15, 2021
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TL;DR

Deep Root collapse, auction chaos, Stern Connected launch, Godzilla reveal, AP delays discussed.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast episode 173 covers the Deep Root Pinball SEC embezzlement case against Robert Mueller, the Museum of Pinball auction with inflated prices, Stern Insider Connected launch, the upcoming Godzilla pinball announcement, and American Pinball production delays. The hosts discuss industry pricing concerns and community impacts of recent scandals.

Key Claims

  • Robert Mueller of Deep Root Pinball took money from senior citizens' retirement funds for personal use and company funding, and the SEC has charged him

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce state Mueller is being investigated for embezzlement; SEC charges have been filed in civil trial

  • Museum of Pinball auction (John Weeks' collection) had absurdly high prices: Hercules $18,000, Cosmic Princess $13,500, Stargazer $9,700+, Back to the Future $14,000

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce detail specific auction results from the two-weekend event heavily advertised on major networks

  • Stern is releasing Godzilla pinball as the next game, using the classic Toho Godzilla IP

    high confidence · Ron received email from Stern (though details redacted); both hosts confirm teaser trailer shows classic Godzilla theme and classic Godzilla design

  • Stern Insider Connected will include QR code reader in machine aprons for player profiles, quest tracking, and operator diagnostics; rolling out to all future Spike 2+ games

    high confidence · George Gomez discussed feature on Stern Insider podcast; confirmed for Godzilla and all games going forward

  • Pinball game pricing increasing: Pro models up ~$600, Premium/LE up ~$1,000 due to production costs and margin maintenance

    medium confidence · Bruce speculates on upcoming Godzilla pricing; discusses trend across industry

  • American Pinball is adding a surcharge to machines with promise to remove it once supply chain normalizes

    medium confidence · Ron and Bruce discuss AP's surcharge strategy; Dave Fix (AP representative) appears in comedic segment explaining delays

  • This Week in Pinball (TWIP) founder Jeff is taking a hiatus due to feeling guilt/pressure related to Deep Root sponsorship and SEC case

    medium confidence · Ron notes Jeff's vague message about blackmail/guilt over Deep Root sponsorship; suggests reviewing Eclectic Gamer podcast for details

  • Mandalorian pinball has significant programming issues including poor flasher use, target design problems, and missed shot registration

Notable Quotes

  • “Robert Mueller basically took a bunch of seniors' money and used it to fund all his other companies and buy shit for himself.”

    Ron @ ~5:15 — Summarizes the core allegation against Deep Root's founder

  • “If the SEC charges you, which they just have, he is guilty as hell, and he's done.”

    Ron @ ~5:45 — Expresses confidence in SEC case outcomes despite civil vs criminal distinction

  • “Your retirement is all set. Yep. Belize, here you come.”

    Bruce @ ~23:30 — References John Weeks' financial gain from Museum of Pinball auction

  • “Are you people on crack? But they are. Yes, they are.”

    Ron/Bruce @ ~28:00 — Expresses disbelief at auction bidding prices and buyer mentality

  • “I'm just so sick of that, like where we can't say how much it is. Like, really? Come on.”

    Ron @ ~43:15 — Frustration with Stern/George Gomez not disclosing Stern Connected pricing

  • “Dwight, get the fuck out of programming. Holy shit.”

    Bruce @ ~54:30 — Strong criticism of Mandalorian pinball code quality by Dwight Sullivan

  • “Godzilla. Godzilla. Godzilla.”

    Ron @ ~48:00 — Reveals the next Stern pinball title

  • “We're making games here. We're making licensed games, non-licensed games.”

    Dave Fix (AP) @ ~57:00 — American Pinball representative's response to production delays in comedic segment

Entities

Robert MuellerpersonDeep Root PinballcompanyMuseum of Pinball (John Weeks collection)eventStern PinballcompanyGodzilla (Stern)gameStern Insider ConnectedproductAmerican PinballcompanyThis Week in Pinball (TWIP)

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball implementing production surcharge with promise of future removal once supply normalizes; production delays continuing despite surcharge; planning dual game reveal at Pinball Expo

    medium · Ron and Bruce discuss AP surcharge strategy; Dave Fix segment mentions delays from unspecified 'four horsemen' and promises Expo reveals

  • ?

    business_signal: Deep Root Pinball founder Robert Mueller facing SEC civil charges for embezzlement of senior citizens' retirement funds; company expected to file bankruptcy and liquidate assets

    high · Ron and Bruce confirm SEC charges; Robert Mueller case being investigated; companies expected to file bankruptcy; liquidation anticipated

  • ?

    event_signal: American Pinball planning significant Pinball Expo reveals; hinting at dual game announcement strategy with surprise second title to generate buzz

    medium · Dave Fix segment discusses revealing new game at Expo, then surprise reveal of second game; references 'Let's Make a Deal' style reveal doors

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Mandalorian pinball criticized for programming failures: excessive flasher use, poor color-changing effects, swing target design defects, missed shot registration on ramp despite target hit

    medium · Bruce criticizes Dwight Sullivan's work; mentions specific issues with target swing not registering properly; compares unfavorably to Star Wars and other Stern titles

  • $

    market_signal: Museum of Pinball auction achieved inflated prices across all lots (EM games $2,100-$18,000, classic Sterns $2,600-$5,800), driven by heavy mainstream media advertising attracting non-pinball buyers

Transcript

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0:00
Tired of being less than a man? The Leibowitz Impotence Clinic may have the answer to your problem. So go ahead and call. Leibowitz, we make it hard the easy way. Impotence. Impotent, I mean. What is impotence? I think it means like when you can't score. Whoa, really? I think I have that. Oh yeah. coming to you from beautiful upstate new york this is the slam till podcast a show about all things pinball i'm your host ron hallett here with my co-host bruce nightingale i shall i shall i show he's making fun of my uh screwed up intro yeah so i say a show and this is episode 173 oh and it's been a while i'm boggled by that yeah i know life gets in the way yeah and there might be more delays upcoming because my league starts up again so i won't be able to record at night and if it's a good day i'll probably golf in the morning oh must be nice you must be richie rich why because i golf and you can afford to golf i can afford to golf you must be unemployed because you're making more money than anybody else i know of you should see the place i golf at it is it is appropriately low class for uh it would be a good slam tilt course probably excellent Yeah. Oh, my. So I got a packed list here. Mm-hmm. Let's just start with the thing everyone else has already talked about since we're so far behind. Deep Root. I love the Deep Rooting. No, no one loves the Deep Rooting, and they won't have to worry about it because it's going away. Well, we don't know yet, but it looks like it will be going away. No, Deep Root Pinball is going away. No, he's just being investigated for embezzlement. Okay. So Robert Mueller basically took a bunch of seniors' money and used it to fund all his other companies and buy shit for himself. There, that's the easiest way I can – the most brief summary possible. Everyone's innocent until proven guilty. If the SEC charges you, which they just have, he is guilty as hell, and he's done. Mm-hmm. It's civil trial. So as much as everyone loves to say the jokes like, look at the pin bar and they show a jail cell. Yes. He's not going to jail.
2:47
He'll be forced to pay money back, which he probably won't be able to pay back, and he'll file bankruptcy. Probably. And all his companies will file bankruptcy, and they'll sell everything off. So maybe if you're at an auction somewhere, you might be able to get some Razzas. There you go. The one or two that were actually built. Wow. I don't know what else to say. Well, I think we have an interview. Didn't we get our... We have an interview. We'll get to the exclusive interview soon. Exclusive interview. But I have a friend at Stern who, three years ago when this all started, they did some research on Mr. Mueller and found all these companies that he had and all this shit. They thought it was shady, whatever he was doing. Man, were they right. Yeah. So, yeah, basically all the money he was using to fund his Deep Root Pinball and other things. Yeah, like Deep Root Studios, I think, was the other company.

medium confidence · Bruce criticizes Dwight Sullivan's programming; mentions target swing issue not registering properly

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Ron Hallettperson
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Dave Fixperson
Mandalorian (Stern)game
Eclectic Gamer Podcastmedia

high · Detailed price listings; hosts note auction advertised on Today Show, Good Morning America; mostly internet bidders from international buyers (Canadians, Australians, Middle East)

  • ?

    community_signal: This Week in Pinball (TWIP) founder Jeff taking hiatus due to pressure/guilt related to Deep Root Pinball sponsorship and SEC case; feels implicated despite ending sponsorship when financial issues emerged

    medium · Ron notes Jeff's vague message about blackmail/guilt; suggests Eclectic Gamer podcast for detailed explanation; implies Jeff felt guilty receiving sponsorship funds that may have been misappropriated

  • $

    market_signal: Stern Pinball raising game prices substantially: Pro models +$600, Premium/LE +$1,000; trend justified by production costs and margin maintenance but perceived as unsustainable

    medium · Bruce speculates on upcoming Godzilla pricing based on rumors; hosts discuss industry-wide inflationary pricing exceeding actual cost inflation

  • ?

    announcement: Stern Pinball announcing Godzilla as next title using classic Toho IP; teaser trailer shows classic Godzilla theme and character design; will include Stern Connected integration

    high · Ron received Stern Army email announcement; both hosts viewed teaser trailer; confirmed classic Toho Godzilla with original theme

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern Insider Connected platform integrating QR code reader, player profiles, quest tracking, and operator diagnostics across all future Spike 2+ games; phased rollout via apron kit or full apron replacement

    high · George Gomez discussed on Stern Insider podcast; confirmed for Godzilla forward; QR reader, verification checkmarks, broken game alerts mentioned

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community frustration growing over opaque pricing communication; Stern executives declining to disclose Stern Connected costs and Godzilla pricing despite imminent releases

    medium · Ron expresses frustration with George Gomez refusing to disclose pricing; characterizes as Stern trying to avoid 'being the bad guy'

    • 3:42
    It's the Deep Rootiest. He was getting it from stealing money from old people. Yeah, that's great, isn't it? The retirement funds. No, it's not great.
    3:52
    And he's lucky he's a white-collar criminal. Yeah. Although, if he went to jail, it would probably be white-collar jail anyway. It wouldn't be a real prison. I mean, if it was real prison, he'd probably be like a sex slave getting sold for cigarettes. Oh, my. Yeah, he'd be getting butt-fucked daily, I would imagine. Oh, my. Robert Mueller, you prayed a key right there. You got a pretty mouth. Yeah.
    4:19
    Well, speaking of Robert Mueller, even with all this insulting, we somehow managed to get an interview with Robert Mueller. Yes, we did. I was very, very surprised, you know, because his lawyers, it took a while. We had to get around his lawyers and everything like that. Well, and he threatens to sue everybody. Exactly. As it turns out, he actually, he attempted to buy Spooky. Oh, God. Yeah, he attempted to buy Spooky at the, before Deep Root, he attempted to buy Spooky and Pinball Life, which I guess if you wanted a pinball company, buy one that already exists and then buy the parts maker. There you go. Yeah, but that didn't work out. But we have this exclusive interview. Yes. And we got a great interviewer. Not us. Not us, yes. Not us at all. We got Mean Gene Okerlund. Somehow from the grave, we got him. We dug him up. Poor Mean Gene.
    5:15
    I love it. All right, let's get to that interview right now. Yes. This is Mean Gene Okerlund live and talking to you about the things in pinball. I have right now Robert Mueller. We're going to have him answer the hard-hitting questions. Robert, why did you do this? Well, you know, Mean Gene, you know it's really hard to be the Hulkster dude. You're telling everyone to say their prayers, take their vitamins, dude, when I really don't mean any of that shit, brother. I'm going Hollywood. This is what it's all about, bro. I'm taking all their money, dude. I'm going to do all my own things, brother. I'm going to take money from those old people. I'm taking money from everyone, dude. And I'm going to build the most cool pinball machines ever, brother. So you're telling me you almost went back to being Hollywood Hogan. No, I totally went back to being Hollywood Hogan, brother. Oh, my God. How do we get the Hulkster back? The little kids are crying in the streets. The people are begging for their pinball machines. How does this happen? Well, you know, brother, I really don't care about the little kids anymore. I don't care about the old people. I don't care about anybody but myself, dude. I'm Hollywood Hogan, brother. I want the coolest pinball machines. I want the pin bar, dude. I want it all, brother. We're going to make it all. Raza's going to be the coolest game you've ever seen, dude. How much did you steal? Well, you know, brother, after I got divorced from Linda, I needed more money. So I stole a lot, dude. And how do you sleep with yourself every day and say, I should not be alive right now. I took millions of dollars and tens of thousands of dollars from pinball fanatics and Wrestlemania and Hulkamaniac people. That's easy, dude. I don't sleep with myself. I sleep with my second wife, dude. And then after that, I slept with my third wife, dude. And pretty soon it'll be my fourth wife, dude. Oh, my God. So you're saying that you're going to take all this money, and now you're going to use their money to spend? No, dude, I'm going to take all this money and buy an engagement ring for my wife, and then I'm going to buy it for my next wife, and then my next wife, dude, and then I'm going to get me a cool place in Hawaii, dude. It's going to be great. Okie doke. Well, I wish you luck with your speedy and drawn-out lawsuit. What is going to happen with your companies, by the way? well you know Mean Gene what's probably gonna happen dude is they're all gonna file bankruptcy and sell all their shit off unfortunately but you know nothing's gonna happen to me dude because I'm Hollywood I'm the Hulkster brother nothing's gonna happen to me I won't pay shit back and it won't matter and I'll say bye-bye to all you pinheads as I take your money okie doke well thank you for coming on Robert we hope that you get butt fucked in jail well fuck you Mean Gene see you later dudes
    8:06
    And with that, we say goodbye to Robert Mueller forever. Yes, thank God. I'm glad we dug up the engine. Robert, seriously, in all seriousness, I must say, fuck you. Yeah, that was really a douchey thing. That was like, dude, yeah. Yeah, I think he's going to be hydrofoiling with Andrew Highway somewhere. Yeah, I think they are two peas in a pod. They are both used car salesmen. And unfortunately, I know two people who actually bought machines, and we know people who work at the company, and it's just a shit show all the way around. And it's not good for anybody. It is not good for anybody. And it's a black eye on our hobby. You know what another black eye on our hobby is? Auctions? Yes.
    8:54
    I knew where you were going to that, and it wasn't next on my list, but hey. We're going right fucking to it. Holy shit. Somewhere Kevin Martin of Papa is kicking himself. Oh, yeah, definitely, because he could have fucking made a huge killing. Kevin Martin could have sold probably half the collection and continued Pinberg. Yes. Holy shit. So the Museum of Pinball, i.e. John Weeks' personal collection, went for auction, which we talked about this in a previous episode. We actually got an email from them. Yes, hi. Directly to us saying, hey, we're going to have an auction. so it's what three days yep over the course of two weekends and this was the first one yep we're recording on uh what the hell day is this this is september 12th the thing about this was advertised in places like the new york times what was it the today show or there was also good morning america something like that one of those shows i'm it was heavily advertised so you're going to get a ton of non-pinheads looking at this stuff and i figured this stuff would go for ridiculous prices. However, even I underestimated. The stupidity of humans. Holy shit is all I have to say. We can't even go through all the prices because they're so ridiculous. But let's just point out a couple of fun ones so far. $10,000 Rocky with a white cabinet that someone just painted over. $10,000. $8,800 Qbert's Quest. what was the back to the future 14 000 back to the future yeah all the ems are like minimum two three thousand dollars yeah that alone is crazy a sample big house was over five thousand dollars oh my god i feel like a holy shit chant should break out holy shit I don't understand it. I really don't. Also, I'd like to say congratulations to John Weeks. You are now an extremely rich man. Yeah, you didn't have to worry about having pinball machines, because guess what? You made fucking money. Your retirement is all set. Yep. Belize, here you come. Maybe he can buy Robert Mueller's place in Hawaii. Yeah. Now, Ron, I have something to bring up to you. What do you have to bring up to me? We didn't even get to the Stern Electronic Games show. Oh, we did. Oh, we did? They did. I have the prices for them all. So you haven't heard them yet? No, I have not. All right, here we go. I'm going to be sitting down for this one. Yeah, sit down. Okay. Give me the game title, and I'll guess how much and see if I'm over it. And these are the last ones we'll go through because I'm not going to just list every damn thing. But for the classic sterns, we will list those because, you know, we caused this, Bruce. Yeah, that's got to be it. All right, ready? Yep. Give me a title. Nugent. And remember, theirs is autographed.
    11:55
    $5,200. $4,500. Okay, so it was a little over. Trident, which you just picked up a Trident for how much?
    12:04
    $600. Okay. How much do you think their Trident cost? $2,900. $3,000. Okay, so it was under. I made that one. So one for one. One for two. Electronimo.
    12:18
    That one's a little weaker game, but I bet you it went for $3,200. $2,100. Oh, wow. See? Okay, stars.
    12:28
    Well, since it's us, it's the game of the Slamtail Podcast. I'm thinking 3,400. 2,600. Oh, see, so. Magic.
    12:39
    2,400. 2,900. Okay. Stingray. Another 2,500. 2,700. Okay. Dracula. Blah. 2,800. 3,400. Wow. Holy crap. Galaxy.
    12:58
    32. 3,300. Very close. Very close. I'm purposely skipping some until the end. Nine ball. Nine ball, I'm thinking 5,400.
    13:11
    Nine ball is 3,800. Oh, so... Bargain. Lightning. 32. 3,000. Okay. Catacomb. It's a little rarer game. Some people might have went, little go, go, go, get it. But remember, these aren't pinheads, so. I know.
    13:32
    3,800. 5,000. Oh, wow. Okay. Here's the deal of the century here. Viper. Deal of the century, so I don't know if he's being sarcastic or not, so I'm going back to my original thought of 5,800. 3,900. Wow, that was the deal of the century.
    13:51
    Big game. 34. 4,300. Wow. Split second. We always talk about it, so it's got to be a 4K. Easy. 2,800. Wow, see? Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. Orbiter One. I heard this one went for big. I didn't know the number yet, so I'm thinking 9,000. No, 5,700. Okay, 5,700. Holy shit. Flight 2,000. They made the most of these, except for Meteor. Except for Meteor. So I'm thinking 4,000. 3,700. Okay. Free Fall.
    14:27
    It's a rare game. It's not a great game, but it's a rare game. If somebody wanted to add it to their collection, I'm thinking $38,000. $4,000. Okay. All right. You ready for the... Yeah, the biggies. All right.
    14:39
    Quicksilver. $8,000. No, actually a bargain. $5,800. Wow, that is a bargain. Stargazer.
    14:53
    $5,800. $9,700. Holy shit. Oh, that ain't nothing compared to the number one seller. Oh, boy. Cosmic Princess, the Australian one. So it's so rare, $13,000. Very good. I think Paul Hogan himself bought it. I think it's a $13,500.
    15:15
    Wow. Hercules sold for $18,000. Oh, my fucking God. Mm-hmm. Plus, don't forget the 18% added to these games. Yes, that is true. And then shipping them. And then tax. California tax. So add like 25% to every one of these. But then shipping it. And then shipping because at least when I was watching it, I saw like maybe one EM sell to the floor. Like someone was actually there. Everything else was all just internet. Yeah. All internet people. So they're all going to get shipped. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I think I need to advertise the extremely awesome collection of the legendary Level Zero Arcade. Yep. The museum. Museum. I'll just say museum. Yep. Yeah. I could retire selling my games. It's going to be great. Shit. It is funny that they use the museum moniker when in reality that was basically a name. Yeah. Only. I mean, I don't know how you consider a place a museum when they're open twice a year. Yeah. That was more of just a way to use the collection in a cool way. Yeah. Because as we discussed before, if you look at the actual paperwork, the tax documents, they didn't own anything other than like a couple printers and a TV or something. Yeah, it was the games. And the building because – well, they own the building because they're renting it out. Yes. Or they have a loan. They're sub-leasing it. We don't know. No, I believe he owns the buildings. So, but oh my God. Yeah. And I heard through grapevines of people that most of the people who are buying are out of country people. Oh, so it's like some guy in the Middle East. No, no, no. I think Australians. No, I think it's like some Canadians, some Shah or something. He's got his super game room and I demand games. And there you go. We've got games. Yeah, this is just nutty. Fucking people are stupid. like uh what was it a cobra command it went for eight thousand nine hundred dollars dedicated space ace went for like like seven or something i know in the arcade forums they're pretty much have the same this is the same vibe like what the hell is going on yeah do you think this will have any long-term effects on actual pricing or this is just like i think it's just a blump because guess what people gotta guess what if people literally if You want to put your game, your Stargazer, on eBay with your condition Stargazer, which is better than new. It's better than the one they had, yes. Yeah, exactly. It's clear-coded play field. It's been tweaked. It really plays right. You are not going to get $9,600. I know people are going to go back and say, well, look, this one went for $9,600. Guess what? It ain't going to be always that case. This is a fluke, a blip, everything like that. And Papa, they just had the spreadsheet, and whenever they couldn't get what they wanted for it, I think they just gave to – they ended up selling to Coin-Op Warehouse. Yep. And they ended up selling them. So, man. Yeah, this is fucking nuts. I mean, if they had advertised, they could have sold maybe, I don't know, a quarter? Yeah. Half of the collection? They probably could have had enough money to keep going. Yeah, I agree. But, no, this was just – Insane. his prices are insane prices are insane but yeah i was just like holy shit we were watching it yesterday at the co-op and i was like what huh what yeah that was just the video game part yeah we were like what the fuck's going on here like a a two-player cyberball 2072 that's a conversion not even like a factory cabinet it's a conversion cabinet went for a thousand dollars It's like, what?
    19:07
    Are you people on crack? But they are. Yes, they are. So, yeah, not good. So this is all the show because we have no news because somebody took a vacation. A hiatus. This week in pinball to the consternation of podcasts everywhere. Yes. Rip them off for their news. Twip is going on hiatus. Yes. And it's well-deserved. He's been doing this nonstop for three-plus years. Yeah, he posted a message. The message was weird. Yeah, it was a little vague. It was very vague. It said basically he's getting blackmailed or bordering on blackmail. Blackmail, yeah. Like what? What does that even mean? Well, he said that since he was really close friends with Robert Mueller, like people are probably saying. I don't know if he was friends. I think they were a sponsor. Sponsor, and he was getting the information firsthand in the beginning. and then as soon as he found out that he started taking money for games he stopped his sponsorship which is very smart because it didn't affect him at all but you know i think he felt a little guilty about that that maybe some of the money that he received could have been misgotten gains i know i would feel that way in some ways like it i know you didn't know at the time and you wouldn't think so at the time, but oof. What I'd say for a more detailed view of this, I just listened to the Eclectic Gamer podcast. Yeah. Mr. Creasel goes on. He explains the message and his opinions, and he's actually done articles for Twip before. Yeah. Yes, he has. But yeah. It sucks. How am I going to get my news? From us. I'll just make it up. Yes. This is a new game. The next game is Golden Girls. You're in. We're done. Do you think Jeff is coming back, or do you think it will be a permanent hiatus? No, he's coming back. I guarantee he's just going to relax and veg. How about Twippies?
    21:11
    Yeah, I think he's into Twippies, yes. I think either way he'll be pressured. People will be like, oh, one of the Twippies. What are we doing, man? We need Twippies.
    21:22
    Yeah, some people's heads will explode if they can't get their – Twippy Chance. Twippy Chance Twippy Chance But guess what I just wish Jeff and his family all the best I hope he doesn get any bullshit from this thing He doing this for our enjoyment Done. If, you know, people are being a-holes to him, which some people have been in the past, guess what? It happens. Then we had Ian from the Poor Man's podcast. Yep. He retired. Retired. So they are looking for... I think they did. They find a new. I don't know. That's going to be when you have a podcast. That's kind of it's the chemistry between the two hosts. Oh, yeah. Very good. They're almost as good as us when it came to. Oh, and when we're to, you know, over. Yeah. We have the most chemistry. We have the most chemistry ever. We're like a chemistry set. We like cause a nuclear chain reaction or something. Yes. Like what you saw before when we were talking about stuff. You knew exactly where I was going. Yeah, I knew exactly. Perfect feed. You know, but the thing is, when you have one leave, I mean, what do you do if you replace it? They are always going to be compared to the original guy. And it's just true. You know, true. You know, it's hard to, you know, jump around and do that kind of stuff. Like, I know you would move on without me.
    22:44
    No, I think you'd jump back into it. I keep doing my other podcast. the Silver Ball Chronicles has to be listened to on the Pinball Network, check out our latest episode where we go over Steve Ritchie, part three, basically everything up to Led Zeppelin.
    23:03
    There, I can check off plug. Oh, and I can also plug, if you really want to go into more detail on the whole Robert Euler and the SEC case and all that, you can listen to the Pinball Show episode. with David Dennis, my co-host from Silverball Chronicles, because he does that financial crap for a living, and he basically goes over what all this stuff actually means.
    23:28
    So let's see here. I've got to check that off. I wouldn't be able to do anything. I'd just be pretty face.
    23:35
    I don't want to fucking edit. It's hard enough to do one fucking... Oh, editing sucks. And Ian was the editor, too. I know. That really sucks.
    23:44
    Let's get the other big news item. Stern Insider connected. Yes. So basically it's going to be the thing where Stern Games are finally on the internet. Yay. Where you can get updates, but that's only a small part. You can also do all the stuff that PinQuest is doing. You basically set up a player profile and then you have goals and quests and things you can do and all kinds of stuff like that that I would never do. Neither would I. A lot of it is very video game like stuff. and I think it's a good thing.
    24:21
    It's something I would do because that's just not my gig. It's not my bag, baby. It's not what I play. I'm the type of guy who goes downstairs, play a couple of 45-second games of Stars or something, or maybe one longer game of Deadpool, and I'm good. Yep, feel satisfied. We're good. It's not something, but I think for a lot of the younger crowd, this is a cool thing. Yep. Totally for it. Can't wait to see what they're going to do to it. adding features, adding cool stuff. Basically, they're going to have a reader in the apron. Yes, yes. So you just get a QR code that's you, and you scan it in, and then you play. It saves everything. And if you do stuff at a location, you get a little checkmark, meaning you're verified, you didn't cheat. Also, they're going to have another version of it for operators, which they haven't really got into yet. But it's going to do things like if the game is broken or has an issue, It can actually tell the operator, which is cool. They still haven't said how much it's going to. No, and you can update. You can go backwards a little bit. Well, yeah, basically it's going to be for all Spike 2 games. Yes. Anything with an LCD. The premiums, you can get a kit where you just, like, pop out part of the apron and stick the reader in. And I think there's another node board or something. Yes, the pro. The pro, so you can need a whole new apron. Yes, the metal aprons. This was revealed on the Stern Insider podcast, and George Gomez was on there, and they asked him, like, how much is this going to cost? Like, oh, I can't say this on my department. Like, come on. Yeah, you know exactly. You just didn't want to be the bad guy. I'm just so sick of that, like where we can't say how much it is. Like, really? Come on. I'm still waiting for my video thing so I can transmit my video online and, you know. You mean the video capture device that will never happen? No. They're never going to do that. As long as there's DMCA now. Did I say that right? Digital Millennium Cup. Yeah, DMCA. As long as that's a thing, they're just not going to do it. They're just not going to do it. That DMC? DMC.
    26:30
    DeLorean Motor Company? No, run DMC. Okay. So, yeah, it's going to be on the next game coming out, which we'll talk about right now. All the new games going forward, it's going to be in them. Yes, automatically. So, Golden Girls will be having... No, it's not going to be Golden Girls. What? See, one nice thing about delaying this long was we got the trailer, the teaser trailer for what the next game is.
    27:00
    And actually, you're in the Stern Army, so didn't you get the email from Gary Stern? Yes, but it doesn't tell you what it was about. It just says coming up with a new scheme. Yes, and I did get it. It was supposed to be on the 7th. It was supposed to, yeah. And then they delayed it to the 14th. Delayed it to the 14th. So do you actually attend those conference things? I can. I'm working. Because you're not supposed to share it with anybody. No, I'm not. But I'm working. So I can't share it. Oh. Oh, well. But we know what it's going to be. Yep.
    27:25
    Godzilla. And Godzookie. Oh, God. I should have brought this. Yes. It looked bad.
    27:36
    But it's going to be the correct Godzilla. Yes, it will. Toho. Well, we knew it was Toho. But even Toho itself, they have different generations of Godzilla.
    27:46
    Yeah, it immediately starts with the classic Godzilla theme, and then you see the classic Godzilla. And I am on board. So Ron's ordered his LE already, and he's ready to rock. No. I need to actually see the game and play the game. And I would never get an LE anyway. I would get a later run premium once all the kinks are out of it. Yikes. I can't wait. So do you think on – what they usually do, Stern has like a conference call with Gary Stern. First they do the conference call with the dealers. Which is going to be – Distributors. That's before this one. 5 p.m. to 6 p.m., probably central. Yes, and then ours is 6 to 7.
    28:27
    How long after that do you think do we get the actual trailer where they show six? A couple days, usually a couple days, probably Friday or Monday. I mean, it can't wait that long. so the question is bruce how much is this new game going to cost oh god i'm thinking pros god 66 67 the rumors are pros are going up six hundred dollars and premiums le's like a thousand dollars yeah which is gonna just oh my god well hey if we're getting twenty thousand dollars for our four ten thousand dollars for a rocky we can spend Uh, it's getting their pricing. Yeah. But again, COVID. They can get it. I know they can get it, but. If they want to keep their profit margins, they have to raise prices.
    29:14
    Yeah. I just, they are way over the inflation rate. Way over. Okay. Let me be honest. It's just, I just don't see it. So you're, you're not excited about the. Oh, not at all. No, no, no. since you've now played Mandalorian, what's your thoughts on that great game? I don't have an issue with it like you do. Oh, it's fucking, I'm going to say one thing, Dwight, get the fuck out of programming. Holy shit. Between your flasher uses, the color changing stuff. Holy fuck. And Eddie, your fucking target sucks. That swing target is terrible.
    29:56
    Let's have a hurry up. and if I miss the target because it's still swinging and it goes up the ramp, it should register.
    30:05
    Nope, we don't do that. Bruce is a big fan. Yeah, not at all. It's better than the other Star Wars game that Stern put out. Oh, I like the target. No. Dwight, keep going. No, the fucking flash red and everything like that. Oh, it's terrible. You've got Mandalore, you've got Star Wars right next to it, some of the greatest programming ever. It's just awesome.
    30:26
    Okay. Come on, Keith. Show me a home run again. It's nice when you have a Mandalorian launch party with your stern army member, Bruce, on stream, and he just bashes the fuck out of the game. Well, at least we had two LEs, though. Yes, you had two LEs.
    30:44
    And I heard somebody from Pinball Profile, Jeff Teelis, said you choked in the finals. Okay. He's like, you're going to go there? Well, no, I didn't have that as the next thing. I wanted to mention, since we're on the price thing, American Pinball was going to be doing a, they call it a surcharge.
    31:03
    How do you fucking do a surcharge on something you haven't been able to put out yet? Well, the idea is they're doing a surcharge so that when COVID is over and things are more back to normal or stuff is more available again, then they can remove the surcharge, thus the price would go down. But you still got to put out stuff. We've been waiting now how long? Yeah. Dave, do we have to, I'm going to, hold on, hold on. Let's call Dave right now and see what the fuck's going on here. Oh, okay. Dave, this is Bruce Nightingale. You're on with Ron Hallett from the Slamtail Podcast. What the fuck's going on with this game? Yes, how's it going there, Brucey, baby? What do you mean, what's it going? What's it going? We're making games here. We're making games here at American Pinball. Incredible game. We're making licensed games, non-licensed games. It's going to be great. We're making games right now, baby. We're making Houdini. We're making – what's the other one we did? Um, shit. Um, that's right, baby. Oktoberfest, baby. We're doing it in Hot Wheels. The best game. The best game we've made so far, baby. We're making all these games. And the excitement is going to get at a fever pitch, baby, at Pinball Expo. Where I, myself, David Fix, baby, I'm going to be there. We're going to reveal the newest game from American Pinball. You said, though, at the beginning of this year that you were going to have two games out this year. Well, you see, baby, we had delays, baby. You see, the four horsemen came in and they just wrecked the entire factory, baby. They just bashed things up. they put us behind baby i don't know about that mean gene says that you know you should be getting out and keeping your promises and don't be a hulkamaniac you see what we should do baby is that at the uh at the expo baby what we're gonna do brother we're gonna have like it's gonna be a reveal the new game and then everyone's gonna be like uh whatever and then boom we're gonna have a second game we're gonna reveal two games at expo baby that's what we're gonna do we're gonna we're going to just blow it up baby i have an idea for you dave you can actually do like when what's behind door number one or door number two like let's make a deal yeah and then they're both games yeah see i thought that would be cool if after all this they came up with a game and it's the valhalla one and everyone's like yeah whatever and that's and hey back to the future or whatever i I don't know what the hell it would be, but some licensed game. Like, whoa, my God, I didn't see that coming. Yeah, that would be kind of neat. That would be kind of neat. But he did promise at the beginning of the year two machines, and we were all thinking when he said summer, at one, I think he said one point. I'm sorry, baby. I just, you know, I got my leg taken out by the four Hoffman at a gas station, baby, and it took me a while to recover. Well, it's only eight more days left in the summer from when we were recording, So you've got to get some, and you're going to be going right behind Godzilla announcements. So, oof, they've got to get some going. They've got to get it. Well, how about the other new game that's coming out? Oh! With some of the most unique marketing ever. Crank it up to 11, boys and girls. That's right. But it goes to 11. 11? Yep. Spinal Tap. Yes. Is coming out from Home Pin. and mike from home penguins was interviewed and i swear he he needs someone in marketing or they need to make him not talk i mean when thunderbirds came out he was like yeah this game thunderbirds it's not for americans fuck them it's for australians for australians and for all my other peeps you know yeah i know okay mike this game it's like this game's got an lcd and adult matrix display, but I don't like LCDs.
    34:37
    Okay, that's great. Great, thanks. If you're a tournament player, this game isn't for you. This isn't one of those deep games. Okay, very unique marketing strategy.
    34:49
    Oh, yeah. How about, are we going to see pictures of it? I don't know about that. Maybe I'll take some pictures of the cabinet, but I'm leaving it up to the distributors to market this thing. Okay. Wow. All right. I told you his plan. His plan is to make parts for pinball. He wants to be a parts supplier. I love the assumption that tournament players are all into deep code. Because as you know, being a tournament player myself, I'm really into deep code. Right, Bruce? I'm super into deep code, as you know. And that's assuming everyone who's into deep code is a tournament player. Yeah. Okay. I love assumptions. Yeah, I assume so much that you fucking get assumed out your ass. So Spinal Tap is coming out from Home Pin. It will be made in Taiwan now, I believe is where the factory is. And is it Joe Balser? I'm assuming he's out there. I heard he was already there and left. Yes. So, yeah. He probably went there with the assumptions like, I got this great gig. Oh, my fucking God. I can't even talk to anyone here.
    35:57
    Let's get the fuck out. Yeah. But that's not the only game that was announced. Another one. Cactus Canyon. Yes. To the surprise of absolutely no one. CGC, although on code is Joe Sjobert. Yes. Who also works for American. Yes. But it looks like he basically is a contract. He just works for whoever. And it's not Lyman people. No, it's not. He's not doing code for CGC. Stop it with that rumor.
    36:27
    Are you excited? No. No? Nope. Really? I like Cactus Can. I like the game. It just, eh. It's been so long. And plus, we haven't heard pricing.
    36:40
    We haven't heard picture. You know, we've seen just a little, I think they showed one or two pictures. Well, it's supposed to have, what, an interactive topper of some kind? Yes. It's going to fucking shoot at you. Ready, set, draw, like, you know, lights, camera, action. Oh, God, no.
    36:54
    I wonder how much that sold for. Oh, God, I don't even know. God, probably $27 million. Clint Eastwood was on it. Look at this. It's great. But, yeah, I don't know. It's just with Cactus Canyon, it's just like, okay, I got to see more. And it's been – they talked about it. What? When did they talk about this? Was that what show? Oh, yeah. Was that a show? I probably should know this. You see? Damn it, Twip. I need you. Although I think that article was on Twip. Yeah, it was talked at a show. And it's been like three weeks or two weeks since and nothing. Well, I thought they said when it was going to come out. No, but I mean we don't know pricing. We don't know what the toppers are going to do. We don't know if they're the extended version of the code. They were bouncing around a little bit. They didn't really tell you like this is this, this is this, this is this, this is this.
    37:45
    What does it come with? What are we getting? This is like, yeah, Cactus Canyon continue or whatever. Not continue, but Cactus Canyon is coming out. That was it. bounty collected here's your bounty all right what was this about uh i choked yeah you choked that's what uh jeff tiola said from uh pinball profile that was probably one of my better games of dipsy duel honestly Yeah. We streamed the tournament from the Rochester Collective Pinball for the Mandalorian. And we had a good showing, plus regular customers. We had a lot more regular customers. Yeah, there was a lot of customers there. Some people that would have been there were actually at Kleepin, which we'll talk about. But it was first golf format, nine holes to set the top eight. Yep. And we played three games each per round. And guess who won again? Well, the final four was Pete and Dick, Zach, our own Zach, Ron, and yours truly. Yeah. We played the three games, and the rule was you had to play Mandalorian at least once every round. So that ended up being the third game that we played. And it was a situation where Zach had to pass me or I would win, or at least I had a chance of winning. And, of course, he passed me. Yes, he did. So we ended up with a three-way tie. Bruce got booted because he was just so mad at Mandalorian and pissed at it that he just, yeah, failed miserably. He let his anger get the best of him. It was a terrible game. Yeah, okay. I don't mind at all. So we ended up on Dipsy Doodle, where I probably had one of my better games of Dipsy Doodle, honestly. Yeah, you did 30, but you're the last ball. You needed 2,000 points. Well, I was player two. Yep. And Zach had a crappier game for him. He usually has a better game on Dipsy Doodle. So, yeah, I was within a couple thousand points, something like that. And we had some weird games in our final. Oh, and the scoop, there's a scoop, skill shot scoop at the top. and it was lit for 5,000. Couldn't hit it. Nope. It came down and it went right in between the – it's got the – the flippers have a space in between the flipper and the slingshot. It's kind of unique. All the doodle games have that. And just whoop. Done. And then Pete, he was third and third place in that game, and he couldn't pass either of us, so it ended up being Zach, me, and Pete. Yes. And we had some weird games in that final. First game we play is high hand. Yes, high hand. Second game we play is Stars. That was just rude. Third game was Mandalorian. And the fourth game for the tiebreaker was Ipsy Doodle. Yep. So that was cool. The rig actually worked this time. Rig worked really good. We had to tweak just a little bit of the... We did a couple tweaks, but it actually made it through. We didn't have batteries dying. Nope. Stomp is ready. Two weeks. Well, I actually, I just looked back at the footage, and there's some weird sound sync issues that I can't figure out. The mic on the camera, it's like the sound was slightly behind the video, which doesn't even make sense because it's the same feed. It connects to the camera, and the camera, it's HDMI feed, so it should not be an issue. I am confused there. I'm quite confused. Carl, we need your help, Carl. No, I blame – the PC's probably been up for 30 straight days without being rebooted, and you guys got like 50 different things running on it. That's all Zach. Oh, yeah, like 20 tabs and everything else. Yeah, Zach's got to close some things. It probably could use a good reboot just before we stream, but, you know. Zach has some kind of religious thing against rebooting. I know he does. I don't agree with you on that one. But that was fun. I didn't mind. It was the first time I got to play a Mandalorian with the actual moving upper play field. Yep. So I thought that was pretty cool. It's more definitely like... Mazar Run. Yes. Yeah, you have to flip earlier than you think. Yes. And that wasn't the only tournament. Like two weeks before that, we had death ball. Yes, we did. And Zach won that again. No, he didn't. Oh, that's right. Zach wasn't even in the finals. That's right. I was trying to defend my title. And some guy, David Robinson, came in. Yes, Raymond Davidson was there. And yeah, so it's a ladder final. It got all the way down to just me and him, which I was you know that's one hell of a way to defend your title man I made it to the final game we played whirlwind and I don't think either of us had a particularly good game but I had a really bad game and Raymond won and I got second place that's cool though congratulations so let's see at Saratoga I was second place to Zach death ball I was second place to Raymond Davidson Now, at Mandel, I was second place to Zach.
    42:58
    You just the king of twos Hey I used to be the king of not cashing at all So if I just keep getting second place constantly that an improvement Yep So we see You got to see how you do at Stomp now You've got some high-level players there. Yes, I have been the ultimate hypocrite. I have entered into Stomp. Yes, he has. Because why not? Screw it. I think so. I think we need everyone. We still have spaces available, but not many. So come on down. Let's give details on Stomp. When is Stomp, Bruce? Stomp is the 25th of September You can come pay at the door And you can enjoy it And have fun with us How much is it? It is $50, that includes your admission And a $30 fee to play We're starting, the doors open at 12 And 1 o'clock we start It is match play, but a different kind of match play Than everyone's used to And this is a Ron and Zach Collaboration Each round is going to be game. So like all the 70s games. Yeah, this is actually, District 82 does this very similar thing. The idea is, you don't want a round where someone's playing Straight Shooter, a game from like the 50s, and then another group's on Mandalorian and they're playing it for an hour. So we're trying to keep it all even, so everyone's playing the same level of game, so hopefully they finish at the same level, and we are able to get through and make it so people are not waiting around and waiting around. Even though we have a lot of games to wait around with, it's going to be the first time we are going to be open on a Friday for the Rochester Pinball Collective, for all the people coming in to town. Oh, an extra day of practice. Yes. Because hopefully a lot of Canadians will be able to make it. I hope so. And if it is, it will be their first tournament in this country in a year and a half. I know. I'm hoping. We'll know the 21st, I think. I might be giving refunds out. I might not be. I hope I'm not. I hope I see some Canadian friends of ours. But we do have spots. Come on in. Come on down. We're going to have a great time. And let's play some pinball. Oh, Canada.
    45:10
    There was another game announcement. P3, Sorcerer's Apprentice, uses the Cosmic Cart module. Yes. When is their new game, the licensed one coming out? Every time one comes out, I think it's the licensed one. I'm like, Sorcerer's Apprentice. Okay, so it's a Disney thing? Wow, they got a Disney license? Like, no, this is another original. Like, oh, damn. What the fuck? What the hell? When's this license one coming out? Gosh darn it.
    45:40
    We had Klee pin this weekend. I went down there just to grab a game and turn around. Hi, Mike. Bruce went down there to pick up a Triton and leave and didn't even stick around at the show nope fail I didn't want everyone flocking for your autographs that was the big thing for your autograph okay yes oh my god so they had several tournaments they had a women's tournament and they brought their own rig nice the men had no video what the hell now just to clarify This is the tournament that typically Papa would bring all their games to. Of course, yeah. And their whole video setup. Well, I think they still had some of the Papa games, but for some reason they did not have any stream. And the thing is, they were a circuit event last time. I think in 2019 they were a circuit event. But isn't there a thing like if you're a circuit event, it has to be streamed or something? Yes, I think so. I thought I remember hearing that somewhere. But it was just weird that the women had their own rig that they brought, but there was nothing for the men's tournament. That was just weird. It's weird these days to have a higher-level tournament and not see it streamed. I agree. But do we have any results, Mr. Rob? I do. Okay. So for the Classics Finals, they had Classics in Maine. So for Classics, the winners were you had Rod Lawrence won with either Derek Fugate or Jason Boker in second. I don't know which because it shows the tiebreaker, but it doesn't say who won. Q. And Greg DeFeo in fourth. Okay. Congratulations, guys. Congrats. So then for the main finals, we had the winner, Jared August. Congratulations, Jared. And then we had in second, Alexander Kazmarchik. And third, we had Raymond Davidson. Nice. And fourth, we had Luke the Horniac. Okay. All good players. And for the women's side. Hopefully I say some of these right. Stacey Moritz in first. Leah Kataz. I hope I said. Kelly Carr. And Steph was fourth. Nice. Congrats, Steph. Our own Steph. Showing up upstate New York now since it's Rochester.
    48:14
    Seemed like a cool show. I saw some video of the floor. Lots of games. Never been to that particular show. Yep. But I guess if I was in Rochester, it's like a four-hour drive. It was three hours and 45 minutes from my house. Ah, well, there you go. I drove out, met Mike Fresca from Baltimore. He drove out there to get a game. So he's like, I'll bring out your Trident. I'll meet you out there. Since they're going to Mike's house, it's almost like seven hours. if you want the other way it's only four fuck yeah and he picked up something that was really cool he picked up a bonsai run but an xr7 play field do you know what an xr7 is that's the diamond plate yes it is and only one of 10 i wonder if the museum of pinball had one of those oh that was 29 million dollars i'll have to get some more prices from them later i want to see how much those... WPCs kick in or anything else? Well, I want to see how much the 8-Ball Deluxe, the alphanumeric 8-Ball Deluxe 1 of 10 or whatever, I want to see how much that actually sold for. Literally, I was signed up for it, and then it sold its price, and I was like, okay, we're done here. Zach was signed up for it, too, and as soon as he started seeing the prices, like, ah, I guess I'm not getting any games for this. Nope, not at all. Even if they're a normal price, I would have been happy, but oh my god. Wow. All right. Repairs. I don't really have any repairs. I have no games on my first floor right now. You sold it. The No Fear is gone. That has been sold. The Firepower is gone. That has been sold. And Ron's going to bring out boards for me. That's your first reminder. Oh, my first reminder. Yes, I need to bring out boards. Yes. There you have it. We'll talk about our repairs in a few minutes. The Quicksilver that was in my music room here, that's been sitting up here, it's now downstairs again. I actually was able to make some room. You can always fit more games, and yes. That's the Bruce line, and now you're finally agreeing with me. I never didn't agree with you. You know, you always... I'm saying there is a... No, there is a limit to how much you can put in there before people can't move around. and I'm trying to like, yes, I could fit. I could take the one table I have out and put four games probably back to back right where that is. But then you got no room for anyone to anywhere. True. The Quicksilver's down there. I got to LED that sucker. No. Yep. It's going to be LED.
    50:48
    I also, that's the one, the wire harness that's on the playfield for the playfield, the playfield wire harness. It always held this electrical tape around it. Yes. And I always was like, oh, I wonder what's under that tape. Yeah. Well, I finally decided to find out what was under that tape.
    51:05
    Nothing. Absolutely nothing. It was just taped up. Wow. Okay. There were two wires that were not in the harness that were just run over. I can't figure this one out. One goes to the spinner. One goes to another switch. They're both to switches. And they were run. And they're the original wires because they're like the colors. They're not wires you would just buy. You wouldn't be able to just buy some of these wire colors, you know, like yellow with a red stripe and all that stuff. It's like they just re-soldered them, but they took it out of the harness completely. So it bothered me forever. So I finally, I actually cut all the tie wraps off like one at a time and put it back in the harness. So now it's all nice and pretty. So we finally finished the play field swap. Of? Eight balls. 8-ball. And it came out great. A couple little quirks from CPR. Pain in the ass they are. They're terrible. Like what quirks? Don't be so vague. Drill the holes for your slingshots for the plastics and for your posts, and they're still too close to the side. They're off.
    52:15
    How are holes off? Thank you. That happens with like almost everybody seems to do this. I maybe it's because I've been to the Stern factory, you know, where they got their little press thing there and they just have a template and they just press the thing. And there's where all the holes go. There's where all the holes go. There's so it's never, ever going to be wrong. But I would think you could put a template or something over an original one, get the exact locations and copy it. Maybe someone can write us and tell us how that's amazingly hard or complicated or hard to do, because it's it doesn't matter what a CPR. I've heard of Amirco, that stuff's just not in the right place, starter hole's not in the right place. It just seems like that should never be an issue. I agree. So that was one thing we dealt with, and it's completed. I am now having a problem with the blackout. We have a blackout that the CPU board was literally rotting away when we got it. The battery asset was so bad, it just ate up everything. It leaked all over everything. So we got a Rotten Dog multiboard, which is all in one. It's a System 6, so it should work. And once in a while, when you power this game on, when you flip the switch, it blows the solenoid fuse. It locks on every solenoid on that one fuse until it blows. You can turn it off, turn it on, turn it off, turn it on. It will still try to lock it on. Okay, turn it off. Blows the fuse. Put a new fuse in there. Works perfect. Boots up. We cannot figure out what's going on. So we called Rotten Dog. and Rotten Dog's exact answer was, hold on, I'm going to read it to you word for word, and you're going to go, what the fuck? Sounds like you have either a bad solenoid, okay, but all the solenoids work, but okay, I'm going to, or a bad diode, which is a possibility. I have to go through all the diodes. Or a ground short, but I would always have a ground short. Ground shorts don't usually jump and go off and on. Or a bad transistor. that transistor on a brand new driver board that still fires every driver 99% of the time I would check that first something is causing it to lock on that was their support so I'm going to go through and just put brand new diodes on each coil I think rule that out when I'm doing that I can cut one of the wires and test the ohms on all the solenoids and see what happens there and try to figure this out I think it's something on the board because Williams System 3 through 7, as Zach taught me, have a blanking signal. But what happens is while it's powering up and booting up, the CPU tells the driver board, hey, don't do anything until I send you to power to then engage anything you need to. And that's why it doesn't blow anything, usually when you boot up a regular normal CPU. Well, it's not doing that because it's firing the things off. So if anybody has some ideas, Ron's going to bring out his – what are the boards you have? The Kahoot boards. The Kahoot boards, which are two different boards. I'm going to put them in a machine. We're going to burn a ROM, and we're going to try the same thing. If it does it with that board, then okay. Then it's something on the play field. If it doesn't do it with that board, oh, I can't wait to go back to Rotten Dog. I thought they were retired. No, somebody else bought them, and they're now running with it. Oh, okay. So it's not the original guy. Nope. Not Jim. I think he's helping him out still in the background, but no. Okay. So that and just a lot of repairs. I'm going to start working on a – I have to work on a Gorgar tomorrow. Yay. Sticky flipper and some bulbs out, supposedly. I don't believe it. We'll see what happens there. Then this week I have a Captain Card we have to work on, so Zach's going to come with me for that. He's our EM guy. And then Hoops is on the floor at this co-op. So it's ready to rock for stomp. We'll have hoops. However, it has LED flashers in it. I'm going to be buying some 67s. Don't do that. At least not these. I mean, they are so bright. Bright and abusive. It's not even funny. Holy cow. It's terrible. So I'm going to get rid of those. I'm going to get some 67s. What else did we repair this week? Cool plastic broken target to co-op. The monster's plastic above the Spider-Man for the gate and everything like that. They have one like on front of Herman that cracked and broke. Anyway, there's a protector you can get from Cliffy that we put that on also. Dealing with a couple of little quirky issues like with a straight shooter. Once in a while, just the motor will not go back to home on the scoring motor and gets lost.
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    And then you have to turn the reel just to get it back in a happy position and it'll work fine. Xenon, I got to work on. And then after that, a couple more. Yay. and then uh i just i got my all my cabinets from this week for my sterns they're all done all paid for now i just gotta decal but i gotta stencil them next but the next thing on his docket is the quick silver playfields completely done he's got the first coat done so we'll be getting ours soon mr ron by he you mean our clear coat guy vance vance yes so i saw him today he's like yep i got the first clear coat done i gotta stand it let it dry let it harden and go for a couple more coats. Other than that, yeah, that's about it for repairs or anything like that. But if anyone's got some ideas on that Rotten Dog board, give me a shout out. Email us at SlamTillPodcast at gmail.com I will be testing some new Dragon Fist code.
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    Hopefully Thursday I'll be streaming this new code. And I have the code also. If it works, we'll be putting it on at the co-op because it gets rid of the sounds in the background. Thank God. Well, it gets rid of the deal where, on a Dragon Fist, if you start a game and just let it sit there, the background sound will just keep going up in intensity until it gets to a level where you... Not as cool as Meteor. More like it gets choppier and choppier and you want to kill someone as it keeps going. So, he... It doesn't do that anymore. And also, a lot of the weird stuttering issues I had with this previous version of the code, they're gone now. So I can already tell that it's... better i that's funny i streamed quicksilver and scott saw it and he's like why are you running that version don't you have my new version of the code it's like uh you never sent it to me so now i put a new version of it in and it has two spin counters nice one for each spinner and we have a new champion right now the my uh spinner champion defeating dragon fist and dragon Memphis, I think 78 spins one shot. This has 101 spins. Holy crapola. In the left spinner, yep. Nice. And about 80-something in the right one. Who needs optical spinners? Well, Chuck Webster of the Wicked Pinball Pissapit. I had said, Beatles can suck it with their optical spinners. Look at this and show the video, like 90-something spins with it. so he he sent a video of his led zeppelin the spinner what the hell is it called the center spinner from the raising up yeah but it's something magic and it's not spinner magic electric magic yes yeah he crushed it and it was more than 100 spins wow but he had to pay like nine thousand dollars for that spinner he only paid you know yeah all right next item i have the Pinball Expo schedule. Ooh. We usually go over this every year. We do. And this is for Pinball Expo 2021 in the new location. Mm-hmm. Wherever the hell it's called again, whatever hotel that is.
    60:13
    All right, Bruce has it up in front of him right now. So let's see. We got the factory tour. Looks like they're going to do that. That's going to be interesting. Mm-hmm. Having all those people there. Mask up, people. Yep. You're going to have to. Then we have the seminars.
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    Well, the first thing I noticed is one of the features of the expo was that their free game room, free play room, I should say, was always open 24 hours. Looks like that is no longer happening. No. 6 to 2 now. Yeah, 6 to like 2 a.m., which is fine. Yeah, you don't need to be there at midnight, you know, 2 o'clock in the morning. I can't sleep. We got Refurbishing Your Existing Pinball Machine to a Work of Art by Scott Foreman. We got Tilt Pinball, the series.
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    Speaker Mark Green. We got Pin Spotting Live with Jim Shelberg. Pinball Applications for Science, Technology, Engineering, Art, and Math Education. Speaker Zach Fuch. How do you say that? Fuch. Playfield Art Masterclass, Doug Watson. We all know him. Yeah. I wonder if he's still buff. I hope so. God, I hope so. He was always like, he'd be there signing in his big freaking arms. Like, dude, this guy's ripped. It's like, I wouldn't say like, you ripped off the Quicksilver art, man. Like, beat the shit out of you. Playfield Restoration and Clear Coating. Speaker Tim Crowley. Buying coin operating machines while avoiding 11. Tattucky and Frank Lindermuth.
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    Okay, I got a problem with this one. because I've seen some of his turns that he sells. They're pretty much fucking overpriced lemons. Okay. They are. Oh, my God. Wow. We've got the vendor hall and the game area, so it looks like they still have the two separate areas. It looks like there's a Project Pinball auction. Yep, begins. Then we've got the American Pinball Update, baby, with the speaker David Fix. So I guess we're not going to get it in the summer. We're going to have it in October, end of October. Then we have the Fireside Chat with Pat Waller. You can ask him how he feels like working with Steve Ritchie again. Yes, exactly. That's on the first day. That's on Thursday. Then, Friday, we have pinball troubleshooting made easy, Ron Coon Jr. We have pinball game toy sculptures, past, present, and future, Dave Link.
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    What else could you do with this amazing hobby speaker, Mike Mahud? We have tournament action going on. This is Trent from Tilda Mias-Vence. He runs this. It's one of those deals. There's qualifying, but everyone makes the finals, and it's the bracket that is freaking huge and goes on for days, if I remember. And then there's the classics. I think that's just pump and dump, if I remember.
    63:02
    Total Pinball Restorations, Keith Holbrook. Emily Brooks Pinball Luminaries Showcase with Zombie Eddie, Randy Martinez, Ryan Cravens, Bill Brooks, Modern Emily Brooks. Intro to Reading EM Schematics. I should probably do this one. Mike Hale, the best and worst advice seen on the Internet. Mark Ibsen, Nick Schell, and Rob Anthony. Don't forget, spray your WD-40 on all your relays. That would be great for you.
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    Nick Schell, whose level of anal-ness is even higher than mine. I know that's hard. I love it. He could talk 20 minutes about adjusting a single switch. It's great.
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    Let's see. What's happening at Chicago Gaming? Ryan White. Playfield and cabinet customization using 3D printing.
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    Andy Sokol. Let's see. Arcade Dreams, 100 Years of Arcade History. Zach Wennington and Bruce Zmost. Trading card ceremony. Speaker's Walter Day.
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    Hopefully he's not still getting sued by Twin Galaxies, along with Billy Mitchell. Yeah. You see any of that? The lawsuits go back and forth. It's been going back and forth. Now I know. induction ceremony for the international video video hall of fame jerry uh brum and lani mcdonald uh solid states uh pinball repair tips mike guelo guleo hall of fame induction ceremony robert good evening with jersey jack oh my i would attend that just to see if you can get the free pizza Yeah What new at Mirko Who going to sue Okay, so Saturday, this is what I found interesting. The first one's Saturday. What's new at Mirko? With Mr. Mirko himself. So, after all the pin-side bashing and bitching over Mirko, will anyone actually show up and say anything? No, I guarantee you. Or will it be like... Keyboard commando. Yeah, where it would be like when J-Pop was there and no one said a fucking thing. Yep. Yeah. Who's got the balls? Now, number one, it's at 9. So, I mean, it's 9 on a Saturday. After everyone partied on Friday, everyone's going to be asleep anyway. Exactly. That's probably why they put it there. I wouldn't be surprised if that was put there for a reason. This is your chance, folks, if you want to ask him about his clear coating process and why paint comes up, et cetera, et cetera. Here's your chance to actually say something. Custom Pinball Cabinets, Tanner Petsch.
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    Collecting Advertising Memorabilia, Damian Granger. Ship My Ball is easier than you think, Dino Casperi. I have to look at this now. Hold on, hold on. Ship. Banning Museum of Pinball Q&A, John Weeks. You can ask John what his original plans were. You can ask him how much money he made. John, now that you're loaded, can you ship me some, give me some money? Now that you're rich, can you buy that actual building? Even if you have no games to put in it? Yeah, I know. Jesus Christ. Here's where it gets awkward. Yes, it will. The making of Led Zeppelin. Speakers. The design team. Being that Steve Ritchie is not at CERN, that's going to be interesting. They'll probably just let him go in. That's going to be interesting. Yeah. Because if not, I would figure Timmy would be the keynote speaker there. He would probably. Let's see. Jack Danger and Waston Chang's new project. Hold me back. The making of The Mandalorian. Bruce, this is for you. Speakers Brian, Eddie, and Dwight Sullivan, you can attend and ask them all about that swinging target. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be there, so I'm going to ask you.
    66:38
    Wait a minute. You're not going to be there. No, so Ron, you just stand up and say, Hi, my name is Bruce Nightingale. What the fuck's going on with the swinging spinner? Why do the swinging targets suck so much? And why don't you have any compensation for it? Thank you.
    66:52
    Okay, Bruce. There you go. Done. George Gomez's new project. Hopefully it's another new pin coming out. Keith Elwin and the team's new game, which they probably could just change that to say Godzilla now. Godzilla. Keith Elwin and the team. Family Feud without the family. Dwight Sullivan and Corey Stump. So you can talk to Dwight again. No, no. I'm going to have a flasher in the back of the room blinding him. During the family feud.
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    What the fuck? Wow. so that's expo so what what interests you the most i mean i'll probably go i'll go to the jersey jack one the stern ones they did all the stern ones like in a block looks like saturday is stern day okay so thursday i would go for probably just a playfield restoration and clear coating and i have to go for todd tucky to see how he's going to try to spin it all about him selling games. Wait a minute. You forget me, baby. David Fix, baby. David Fix. Those are the three I'd watch. They would be all in a row. So I just sit there for three hours. On Friday, I would go for the Troubleshooting Made Easy, Ron Coon.
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    Solid State Repair Tips at the Rob Burke's booth. That would be the two things I'd see. And then I'd have to go for the two things at What's New at Merco. and I need to get my flashing, big, powerful flashing light so I can blind Dwight. Just get a laser pen. No, no, not a laser pen because it might be like a cat and try to follow it all over the room. No, no. It'll be like a new laser pen. It's the Dwight laser pen. It's brighter than any other laser pen ever made. And I'd go see Keith, of course. And I'd go see George. But, yeah, that's about it. Maybe about a third of the things. And maybe the total restorations on Friday. I forgot about that one, too. Total pinball frustrations. What interests you?
    68:49
    I just said. Well, let's see. I would go with the American Pinball one, the Jersey Jack one, and the Stern ones. You're just hungry for pizza. Yes, I'm a pizza whore. Yes, you are. It could be like the one year. I think I brought this up before. It was the year they had Batman 66, but you couldn't play it. Yeah. So they had Joe Kamikow there, and Jersey Jack did their thing. I think it was Friday night, and he had his pizza. so Cam and Cal just bought a bunch of pizza and put it outside to try to get people not to go into the Jersey Jack one. Yeah, that was dickish.
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    My opinion of Joe isn't the highest because of shit like that. Oh, I know. I bear witness to him like, Oh, yeah. I've seen it too. So you have a great show there. I'll be working. Will Bruce ever get to go to Expo again? I'll wait until next year. Okay. I'd rather go to, I'm going to be at York. If we spread out our influence, we'll be able to go to more shows. We spread out our influence. So I'm going to be influential when I'm at the show? Oh, everyone's going to come up to you and do the, they're going to come up to you like Demoman and do the handshake with the spin.
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    Like, you know that, remember the high five, but they didn't touch? Yes. And they spun? Yes. That's what I want everyone to do to you at Expo. Remember, no photos or videotaping will be allowed at the Stern Factory Tour. No employee or contractors for any other pinball manufacturers are allowed. Yeah. Remember the old days when CERN was the only game in town and you could just film all you wanted? Oh, yeah. I think I filmed. I have filmed somewhere of Star Trek, Star Trek LE with the lasers. Yep. I have video and everything, yeah. Mm-hmm.
    70:31
    Oh, yeah. Bad Cats. It sold for $9,900. I forgot that one. Holy shit. Some dude really likes cats. Meow, meow, meow, meow. Meow, meow, meow. I do like that part. Meow, meow, meow, meow. I do like repeatable shots. Do you know that I did that one? I did the artwork. I know you did. Yes, I am Python. All my games should sell more than anything.
    70:59
    I'll look at some of these other ones. Wheel of Fortune, 5600. Rolling Stones, LE8 Grand. Monopoly. it doesn't even say it's the platinum edition ten thousand one hundred dollars dude you need to sell your monopoly now i know but i i won't get the money for it so why the fuck you know oh my god this rob zombie 11k i know people are acdc lucy twelve thousand dollars ghostbusters 10,000. Star Wars Premium, 11,500. Well, that's reasonable. Joust, head-to-head. You know, the old Joust? I love that game. $17,000.
    71:43
    Yep. Oh my God. I'm in the WPCs if you haven't noticed. Attack from Mars, 10,000. Okay, how about Popeye?
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    $6,100. Oh God, people are really stupid. They still didn't. It's still lower than the other ones. The Addams Family, gold edition, $22,500. Holy shit.
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    Crack. I'm just looking for the five figures here. Stranger Things, $11,000. God. Jurassic Park, these are LEs, $13,000. Elvira, $14,000. Theater of Magic, $11,000. Here we go. eight ball deluxe with the different displays here it is how much you think it's sold for alphanumeric displays it should go for like 12 000 12 500 see boom right on the nose wow you are good you should go on uh right yeah there you go okay wow 500 holy shit my god jim I know Holy shit Oh my god What could be the title of this episode that has something to do with Dumb motherfuckers No like holy shit I can't believe it cost that much Or oh my god the prices Stupid fucking people No we can't have an episode Called stupid fucking people Isn't that every episode No that's just us Stern memory lane Okay I'm in the ball bag I have not looked at the ball bag lately so give me the ball bagness Darren says Bruce I just listened to episode 172 on the BZR show the best show out there what's the BZR show you don't remember already the Bruce, Zach and Ron show oh that was the title I forgot and I am the one you forgot my name about our brief meeting at Allentown as I was hauling my Aladdin's Castle purchase out the back door. Fail! I always fail. Goodbye, Darren, the person I forgot at Allentown. So you get the shout-out before. I'm not going to call you out at the end, but I'll say hi, Darren, here.
    73:59
    Okay. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Darren. There you go. Would it be funny if I just started the music there? What the hell? That was a problem. Yeah, you do the whole episode like you did all the music, and then you continue with the show again.
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    Wouldn't that be even funnier? This is from Robbie from Chicago, Illinois. He's emailed us a bunch of times. Thank you, Ron and Bruce. Also, I hope you are both doing well. Ron, had I known you were coming to my neighborhood pinball place at Schaumburg, oh, the Schaumburg Mall, or Schaumburg, Schaumburg. I would have met you there. Hope you enjoyed it. League nights there have been a blast. All thanks to Gavin Game that they are as well-maintained as they are and so prominently featured on location. I played in two tournaments this month. on a flip frenzy. I wish I could play in a flip frenzy. The other match play, I did terribly in the flip frenzy and did pretty well in the match play. Zach wants to have one at the RPC. I want to have one. You got enough damn games. After losing several matches in a row in the flip frenzy, I got progressively worse in my playing and I adopted the fuck it attitude. Bruce is good at that. I have thought of walking out of there before the end. Another Bruce thing. But my pinball sportsmanship principles kept me in.
    75:11
    Dead silence. Nothing from Bruce? Nope. leads me to a question have you ever felt despondent during tournaments oh yeah if so what have you done to get out of it and back in the game anger yeah definitely at least for me no me too i know a couple times at like rock fantasy where i played like just absolute shit and i ended up in b division and i just played angry in b finals and then i won like twice in a row and then everyone started calling me the sandbagger yep sandbagger us yeah looking forward to Pinball Expo. Hope you both can make it this year. Bruce can't. Nope. But I'll be there. You can say hi.
    75:51
    Don't hug me, though. No, you have to do the demo. If you don't understand what... You have to do the demo, man. And if you do not see it, look for that in the beginning where they say hi to each other. He says, would you buy this? It's a link to a Pinside for sale. Pinside Taxi. It was listed at $2,600.
    76:12
    It's a Maryland Would you have bought it for $2,600, Bruce? Maybe. It depends on the condition of the play field and everything like that. Well, you're going to click on it and look at the pictures? No, I'm not going to have my email up. I'll let you just talk. It has a huge wear spot right above the flippers. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to it right now. Hold on. And a close-up of the wear spot to let you know, hey. There is a wear spot, fuckers. And a close-up of the other wear spot. So they definitely, oh, yeah, they put close-ups of every, oh, where Maryland is, it's all eaten away, too.
    76:47
    Oh, there's wear up the ass on this. Oh, my. 2,600 for that much wear? Eh. Yeah, that's not good. No.
    76:58
    I wouldn't buy it. No, neither would I. I'm looking at it right now and knowing it would not. But, and it says the price is firm. Oh, God. Well, at least he showed all the wear. I have to appreciate doing close-ups of all the wear spots. You can't be like, you were trying to hide something. No, I wasn't. Yeah, I like the game, and if it was nicer, I would get it because I love Taxi. Love Taxi. We have one at the co-op. Taxi, Taxi, Taxi.
    77:25
    Yo, comrade. I like Taxi. You know what I call Diner? Not Taxi. No. Taxi Junior, I call it, usually. I call it Not Taxi. We have right next to each other at the co-op. Yes. As you should. As it should always be. This is the way. Oh, yes. Ba-boom.
    77:47
    You love Mandalorian. You know it. No, I don't. Oh, I'm sorry. I love the show. Okay. So what else is on the docket, sir? That's all I had. Wow. Yeah, we plowed through that. I can't believe we got Robert Mueller on and David Fix on. Yeah, I know. And I mean, what other podcast can say that? Yeah, we had a dead person. Yeah. No one else can say this. No one. I get spelt whippies in our future. That's what you do. That's how you plug it. That's how we do clickbait. What? Interview with the Mueller. Oh.
    78:27
    Interview with the Hulk Mueller. The Hulk Mueller. He's Hollywood Hulk Mueller at this point. Yes, he is. What do you know, brother? So let's see. Yeah, that's it. I just got plugs, which I did my plug. Again, Silver Ball Chronicles. Check it out on the Pinball Network, our latest episode on Steve Ritchie. Do you have anything you want to plug outside of the slam-tilt world? Rochester Pinball Collective. Where's that at, Bruce? That's 349 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York, suite number 2965, right above Ferrari's Pizza and Grill. Come on down. We're open Thursdays from 5 to 10 and on Saturdays from 3 to 11. Hmm. Do you have a website? We do. It's www.rochesterpinball.com or rockpinball.com. Do you know that we also have a website? We do. It is www.slamtiltpodcast.com. Do you know we don't have any sponsors? We have no sponsors because we like to speak our mind. Even when we have a stern army, private will never be promoted now. I'm actually a sergeant. You're a sergeant? I'm a corporal. You're a corporal? Yep. You're never going to get promoted again after this Mandalorian tirade. I'd rather be a sergeant any day than anything else. I mean, you're going to be private. You're going to be demoted from that insulting. That's the truth.
    79:54
    No, it's not the truth. It's your opinion. There's a difference between truth and opinion. No, no, no. My opinion is true. Your opinion is truth. Yes. Okay. So say it to Bruce. I think that's a good title. Opinion is truth. My, no, no, it's, no, no. My opinion is truth. My opinion, okay, my opinion is truth. Yes. God, it's so fucked up.
    80:17
    It's called an opinion for a reason. And it's mine. And it's right. I think it's good theme integration with the clips from the show and all that. I was actually watching a lot of them. I'm like, ah, like, man, they got everything for this show. They got a lot of art and they got a lot of the assets. It's nice to see they actually got assets. Yep. I think she should have been on it, even though she was kicked off the show. I think that's a little lacking. I understand. Oh, what's her face? Yeah. What the hell's her name? Oh, God. The one who was in Deadpool. Yes. Something Karana or something like that.
    80:50
    Angel. I know her name in Deadpool. Did you know it was Angel? I did not know that. Angel Dust is her real name, actually. Gina Carano. Gina Carano there. I had the last name. Yeah. Angel Dust is her full name in the show. I did like Deadpool. I saw that in a theater, Bruce. See a movie I saw. Yes. Once you see that, it's like no one other than Ryan Reynolds can be Deadpool in the movies now. He literally was born to play Deadpool. Yeah, I can't wait for 3 coming out soon, so that'll be cool. Well, not soon. They're just starting filming soon. So it's like, ooh, a superhero. Oh, look, look, superhero entrance. Oh, man, that's got to be hard on the knees. I love that line.
    81:31
    So, yes, come on by and say hi to Ron. Come on by and play at Stomp. It's on the 25th. We have spots still.
    81:41
    Win money. Get glory. Sign George Takei. George Takei will be there. And he'll be also in New York, so you can go see him twice. Yes, you can see the real George Takei. Man, I would give anything if I could just get him to sign that thing and then do like an intro for the show. Hello, I'm George Takei, and you're listening to the Slam Tilt Podcast. Oh, my. These guys are dumb motherfuckers.
    82:10
    These guys are douchebags. Total douchebags. Douchebags. That'd be classic. Oh, I can't wait for Godzilla. Did I mention that? I did think you said it once or twice. Oh, I didn't. No, I didn't say it enough. I really am looking forward to Godzilla. I can't wait till Ron has to sell another machine to get this.
    82:34
    I've got a big room. That's your fucking rule. Yeah, it'll probably be Jurassic Park. One dinosaur replacing with another dinosaur. I might be interested in that there, Chiefy. I sold my Metallica. You sold your Metallica. I did. Anyone we know? Yes. David Robinson. Oh. Did you ship it to him? Nope. Oh. So is it where I think it probably is? It is. Okay. I'll leave it at that. Enough said.
    83:06
    I think that's it. I think so, too. So the Slamtail Podcast, as Bruce said earlier, www.slamtailpodcast.com. Our email address is slamtailpodcast at gmail.com. Also, don't forget, the Rochester Pinball Collective has a YouTube channel, which actually should have some videos on it now. Nice. Like us, follow us on Twitch and on YouTube. On YouTube, Twitch, both of us, Rochester Pinball Collective, who are also on Twitch. That's where you can see the video of Ron choking from the latest Mando tournament. Excellent. And then for Slam Tilt, if you go to our website on the upper right-hand corner, it has all our links are there. so you can check out our Twitch, our YouTube, Instagram, etc., etc. Get a nice RSS feed for your podcatcher of choice. I think that's about it. Bruce is watching me choke in slow motion right now. Yep. On Dipsy Doodle. Oh, well. It's great to be playing pinball, right? Yes, lovely. So hopefully we'll be back sometime soon. I can't guarantee it'll be in two weeks because it probably won't. Two weeks is stomp, so no, it will not be. No, but even then, that Sunday when I come back, I have to go to league and then et cetera. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Et cetera, et cetera. So probably three weeks again. Something like that. Thanks, everybody. Until next time, this has been Episode 173. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Jeff Teolis.
    84:44
    Oh my, can you move me? Can you slide? Oh my, oh my, you can move me if you try. Oh my, oh my, there's guarantee to keep you alive. Oh my
    85:34
    coming to you from beautiful upstate new york this is the slam tilt podcast a shout a shout a shout a shout hey two so bruce did i choke you did choke a little bit i did two thousand two thousand points You should have. You should have got the plunge. If you got the plunge, you would have been done. You could have walked off.