We had a seminar earlier this afternoon where you might be confronted with the dilemma of an old game that just sort of landed on you that you know uh from a relative or you found it by the side of the road and you said that's a pinball machine by the side of the road. I got to pick that up or whatever way. And you're thinking, how do I decide what to do with this thing that I got for free? It's possible white elephant. And one of the scenarios is you could restore it. And so we're going to pick up from that point with Todd Tucky and the crew and decide with, you know, maybe a little bias here because he sometimes picks up games on the side of the road himself. So, you know, might be a little competition to that department, but he'll give you his spin on when to restore a game. Take it away, Todd. Thank you, Dave. Thank you very much, David. [sighs] He's been introducing me for years [applause] and we got a good crowd and we're ready to have some fun. We have about 20 minutes of video and then we're going to be discussing and we'll go we have five to six but we can go an extra half hour if we have any questions and things but I want to introduce my crew. I actually I think we should appropriately start with the opening titles. That would be cool. Well, I'll point out that Tony is not here. He couldn't come until tomorrow, but uh in the audience is Greg and Terry. And [applause] yes, and we have Chuck on the far left, Frank in the middle, and Scott on the right. Good evening, everybody. We're ready to have some fun. Um I I just have a one minute um uh I wanted to mention a lot of you know if not all of you that my wife passed away on December 3rd and uh 32 years of marriage but she was a lot of part uh of TNT Amusements. She would appear in a lot of our videos and uh I thought it would be appropriate to put a a 45se secondond um clip uh of a video we made before Christmas. She wasn't there for our original filming of the Christmas, so I kind of shot this afterwards. So, we'll you'll hear we mention Christmas in it, but we had a lot of fun with green screen and things like that. And my wife agreed to appear in the video as long as she got the upper hand. So, she always had to have the upper hand. So, uh before we start the actual show, um I would like to run the video for you. We just got in. The customer has been waiting for a hot hand and we just got this baby traded and it's actually very nice condition. And Todd, what's that? Todd, where are you? Todd. Todd, it's my beautiful [music] wife. You didn't video. I'm sorry. I mean, well, well, you weren't here. I know. You always forget me. I'm so sorry. I mean, don't believe him, Pam. He's not really sorry. That's Steven in the background. Well, you know, you really can't do anything about it because you're just ahead. [laughter] You should be working. Listen, I was just kidding about that. No. Do you have something to tell them? What? MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. Think you forgot the line. the script. Now, do me a favor and just get out. Get out. No, sweetheart. Memories. Yes, good memories with my wife. Thank you. [applause] Yeah, 32 years. She was a big support for TNT. Helped us out a lot. And of course, I miss her very much. But, uh, you you realize I have to do this because who loved that tribute right there. Yes. Didn't Pam love to do this? My wife did love popping bubbles. So, I would bring her home uh some of the little bubbles and she liked sitting there and popping them. Oh, okay. There's another popper. So, it was a cheap Christmas present. So, [laughter] yes, she's busy doing that. Yeah, of course. Uh yeah, I do miss her, of course. And uh we miss her at TNT. Five months. And uh we're hanging in there. we're doing. Uh, and uh, all thoughts of retirement are gone. So, I'm almost 70, so uh, a few months shy, but uh, figured, well, what the heck? We're having fun. We're doing this. We're still making videos. Not as many as we used to. Uh, it takes a lot out of you. That green screen was a mess. And I'm using 25y old software. So, 25 generous, Todd. Yes. 25 years is generous. Generous. I can't. You can't. I tried this Adobe. I can't figure it out. I'm just using the old speed edit. You fangled software. I I can still make it work. But anyway, speaking of work, [snorts] we have a lot of stuff to cover. Today's show, as you see, is restoration scenarios. Is it really worth it? I have a question. Is there any chance to put a full screen on when the video runs? Okay, that would be nice. And then uh it'll be a little clearer for them too because they're you know some of them are far out and the picture is smaller. And Jillian is our head coordinator. Jillian also uh masterminded our I mentioned earlier our best offer sale uh website which is is all secure and where we can sell parts to everyone at a pretty reasonable price. We're doing it every month now. We used to do it every two weeks. That took a lot out of us, but we support, we appreciate all the support we're getting rid of. We just keep getting more stuff in. As a matter of fact, today's show, Restoration Scenarios, is it really worth it? Yesterday, the guys went to a basement of a house that they're tearing down and there was no power in the house and the rickety horrible Bilco door type wood, old-fashioned wood steps. And I made a deal to buy everything in the basement. Uh there was a haunted house, a Close Encounters, a Tomcat, um all with battery damage. Uh and then uh there were two mechanicals. I don't remember the names of them. And then um three video games and a jukebox from a manufacturer we never heard of possibly only making four or five of them running three Pioneer laser disc video players. Pioneer actually made video jukeboxes that ran on laser discs. Of course, uh that went pretty belly up pretty quick. They couldn't get the machine out of the basement, so that's going to go down with the house, but we rescued pretty much everything else. Uh that was doable. Uh that was a 3 and 1 half hour drive from TNT. So they they got back about 8:30 last night. A lot of traffic, a lot of accidents, but we uh we're going to look at and I'm going to see if we can restore any of them or whatever. We're going to see. But the first item that we want to show you, we came into getting not one but two medieval madnesses, the original from a one of these uh Pocono resorts in their back room sitting for years. And these were perhaps one of them was in atrocious shape as you're going to see. And we had to make a decision what to do. So, this is heavily edited from the video that we we put up. So, I only wanted to show you a few key points, but this may help you see and decide what would you do. You can roll that clip now, Jillian. One, but two medieval manuses in. I wanted you to see these. Uh I have somebody that treats their equipment this horrifically. Um these were from a vendor. They've been in storage for years. Years. And I left them just the way they came in. Playfield is I've never I don't think I've seen a playfield this cruddy in my life. Now we're not talking about the surfacer. They're filthy. We're going to offer the game as is. Batteries are clean even though they weren't changed. Um, they're actually clean. So, well, that one hasn't damaged the board. Now, this game, the playfield's actually clean. And listen, see, I can change the volume. So, the sound is running, but the picture is not running because the vendor put this away in storage and he forgot to change the batteries. Have you come in close? Mhm. There's acid that is dripped down here. So, if you want an original machine, this machine is going to be 7, 000. This machine as it is will be 6, 500. We are planning, nobody buys one or both. We are planning on shopping and having on our website. And here's some pictures that Frank took of the board before. You can see that lovely blue acid. All of you have come into this. Can you save a board this awful? Now, remember when this film was produced six years ago, there were no boards. Eight years. Yeah. We didn't have any. So, we had to fix it. There were no replacement boards. So Frank decided he was going to clean this board up. Now a days probably most of you would not and you'd purchase a new board, but we didn't have that option back then. And the only option of course was to take it out of another game, you know, making that game no good. But there's Frank's battery board and we put it together. And what ended what did he end up doing with that, Frank? The um I thought one went to Germany. Yes. We ended up brand for a beat up medieval man plus what 600 bucks to ship it. Yeah. Plus whatever tax you had to pay over there. We can actually still ship, believe it or not, overseas for like 6 or 700 bucks. It's hard to believe. And it's really funny because it goes to California in some Well, we just shipped a a Stargate Cabaret to Robert Englunds and it was only going to cost him $610 to pick it up from London, [clears throat] the the um London um um loading dock. It was going by FC, but he elected to pay another $700 to have it going from the loading dock to his house. We paid 1300 to ship the cabaret. So we can see but oddly enough Australia we can ship stuff pretty cheap if you want to pick it up at the uh depot. And Todd, what did he pay for that cabaret? Uh that 22 $29.99. So almost it was like new. So almost $3, 000 for a beautiful Stargate Cabernet. And it was beautiful. It absolutely was. And almost half of that to ship it to his front door. Amazing. But we we were that was worthy of res restoration. Now the question is Frank, we just shipped these the way they were working. We didn't do any work other than other than the board repair. No, we didn't do anything. It was two separate deliveries functioning. We had the Oh, by the way, that was on our bargain basement. We do bargain basement videos if you watch them. Electronically sound. electronically sound. Of course, you know, but so obviously that person, both of these people thought that those games were worthy of restoration. And this is way before Chicago Gaming uh uh made their replacement game. Um uh so you'd have to look at it. I'm sure most of you out there would probably have a go of it. Well, I mean, if you're [clears throat] buying the game for yourself other than parts, you don't have any other costs but your time. But when you have a $7, 000 game that probably really need, I mean, to get any kind of money, you have to put a playfield on it. That's a, 000 bucks easy. Plus whatever parts. Then after all of that, if you maybe can make two or 4, 000, well, you got to pay the guys. You got to pay their pension plan. You got to pay their health insurance. So, no, for us it was not worth it, right? But for you, it might be. It was just as easy to sell it that way. Now, in fairness, the cabinets were beautiful because they sat in one arcade their whole life. Uh, this guy had tons of pin bowls and storage and so I guess it worked out. So, in that case, we didn't want to deal with it. Now, in other cases though, [clears throat] we have customers that send us games for restoration. The man's favorite game was Bet's Flash Gordon. [clears throat] Now, on a one to 10, I think Flash Gordon is a solid five. A solid five. Now, I thought you said you loved it. It's no jackpot, wasn't it? Who? Not true. It is no jackpot. Jackpot's a three. No, a two. Oh, sorry. But anyway, if you don't know, Scott uh has a special affinity for Jackpot. We like to If you watch our videos, you'll know Scott does. It is the GOAT of the Pinbot Trilogy, but everybody in this room knows that. Looks like we have a bunch of smart people here. your mental illness is showing. Yes, we all love certain games for certain reasons and different things. Now, this fellow that wanted this Flash Gordon restored, uh, we went and picked it up. No, hold on. Let me tell the story because I remember it vividly. This is shows up with a Flash Gordon that he once restored. Now, he rented a U-Haul truck. That's right. A buck a mile. Drove two hours north to get it. Two hours north to bring it back. He had to buy a whole other game. The game sat in a barn for at least 20 years. He said, "Oh, I got it from eBay." So, we went and looked up the listing. You could see the on the picture the coin door opened and the freaking rat's nest right inside the where the cash box would go. He had it cost him twice what it would have cost. What did he say? He paid for it. $1, 000. More than a dollar was too much. Well, we brought it in and we assessed it and we said no. He ended up buying a whole other game and we had to There was a few maybe plastic pieces we could have used all we transferred some rusty the boards were all shot. I mean it was just it was just covered in rust. Well, why don't we ask our our viewers to what they would have done? Can you start that clip, please? And then you tell us what you think. This is a combination of several videos we ended up making. I think the first chunk and they paid $800 for it. $800. I want you to look at this rust and the plastics. Um, and although they vacuumed it out, you can see the aftermath. A huge bounce nest was right here. The biggest one on record right there. Ain't that something? Original battery there. That's not a factory battery, but somebody put that in, but it's leaking battery. The board was bad. Ugly soundboard looks okay. And this one looks okay. You can see the factory screws are for an overhaul. What should I tell them? And the colors, all the colors are completely faded. [music] Machine is dire desperate shape. Now, the only plus is the playfield does not have any wear at all. the original playfield. I don't know how that'll polish up, but the rain water andor piss, whatever it was, looks like it's gotten in here and damaged this. So, I don't know. This is It's pretty sad, Frank. Now, there's a hard top, though. Okay, Jason is busy making one. This is the second one. Flashboard out of two. Now, Steven's already started painting. Now the uh these are the two different machines. This is before the hard tops bought. I want you to see this. Look at the speakers here. Yuck. This is what happens when animals get in your games. We're not sure what's going to happen with this transformer on the bottom either. So, he's busy resurrecting this. When we're done, we're going to have a perfect machine almost. What do you think, Walt? You think we will? I think so. This needed so much stuff. This is the finished machine. We charged the man for 25 hours, but we must have 35 into it. And I'll tell you, never again. And that's true. No more piss games. never take a project like this on for this kind of money because uh we felt sorry for the guy by language. Well, Stephen, maybe uh I'll this will be the last one. Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. The next one you're going to have to do in half the time. And if I don't, I'll have Walt tune you up. [sighs] Steven's still with us. Yeah, he looks Abraham Lincolnesque, too. Yeah, he he did shave his beard off now, so he's clean shave and looks a lot younger. But uh that that What would you have done? Would you have tried to restore the first one? Now you can buy the hard top. So you could technically clean it up. It wouldn't matter about the wear on the top with the hard top on. I don't know. But we would not tackle anything like that. We would sell it as is. We do a lot of ASIS sales now. Um, but that's an interesting scenario for a company. I felt we felt real sorry for the guy, but it was a challenge and we we elected to do it even though I'm going to just say we may be a broken even on that after all the time and energy and we he let us keep the remaining parts. So, we got a couple flipper mechs out of it, that sort of thing. Has anyone in the room actually done a hard top install on a pinball machine before? Juan, do you want you want to share a little bit about what that experience is like? I think a lot of people see online the hardtop and my machine's going to look beautiful, but don't understand the amount of labor and time that goes into making that machine beautiful again. Oh, here comes the mic. Actually, I think there's a hard top Comet in the show in the uh game room. Yeah, I did one actually on a Flash Gordon uh from last year. Oh, yeah. Both playfields. Yep. But yeah, it takes a lot of work to prep the surface. Uh make sure it lines right and yeah, but when the end result I think is stunning. I love the hard tops and the uh and in a case of a customer who has a restoration hard tops are about 300 400 with shipping somewhere around there and we average that we tell the people hey look this is going to cost you 3, 200 3500 to bring this back to life with a hard top costs and some of the customers go for it but what's a flash cordon worth with a hard top I mean really 4, 000 yeah maybe 4500 I and you're doing retail I guess to the right person. But um now that was an interesting thing. Now something you have to also consider is what to do if you take a restoration in and how to protect things like the back glass. Um [clears throat] so you take the game in a company like us. Uh lately we've been asking people if the back glasses are nice to leave them at home because anything is possible. Uh now this is a heavily edited or cut down uh [clears throat] episode. We did a video on Rocky the Rocky Pinball. And if any of you seen the movie Rocky 2, I think it was Rocky 2. Uh it's before the Rocky Pinball came out. So, they made a fake one out of I think it was a a space widebody star rider star. Oh gosh, I can't remember. But we figured it out and we put together a real fun video with some green screening, too. However, [clears throat] Rocky back glass is not cheap to find. Uh, why don't we run this clip here? This Rocky has the art was completely well the art's completely different. It also has the Rocky [clears throat] animators here and the displays are up and down there. We're not sure what video 134. There we go. Let's set that aside where it'll be safe because you can't get that. Now, if you look back here, the layout on the machine, you can see this nice. Oops. [music] [laughter] Now, uh, it didn't really break. So, but somebody said, "Oh, you should have it break." And I said, "Oh, that maybe I'll Yeah, that was me. Was it you?" Okay. He said, "I guess we were watching editing that thing. It took us 15 hours to make these stupid videos. Well, you show that video and the Rocky back back glass did not break. But one of your favorite employees, Mr. Jesse, broke the glass to what? The spy hunter. Remember that little fiasco? Yes. Yes, I do. It was a spy hunter uh cockpit. Cockpit. That's right. Yeah, spy hunter cockpit. And all every single person out here has broken a back glass or toe. I mean, it's just the way it is. And uh uh finding an extra one is almost impossible. You didn't have an extra one at that point. And what was that? Another $300. I think it was 200. Uh well, actually, just so you know, Galloping Ghosts makes replacement cockpit uh glass. They do and uh they're plexiglass. And you can get the whole set, which we did for the last cockpit that's going out, and we haven't yet get another set for the next cockpit. And uh because the glasses, you know, I I I hate these companies, these crummy companies, Midway and Williams, making these creepy games that only last 40 years. I mean, come on. The glass should last a hundred years. They should get a warranty. They should have never used real blast. Never. Everybody here knows that all these machines were made for 5 years and they were to be discarded. That was the design. And we've certainly seen the quality of these machines have outlasted everybody's wildest expectations, including the mechanicals. A lot of these mechanicals shouldn't be alive. They should be dead, dead, and buried. And a lot of them got destroyed. They were supposed to be. They were supposed to be used, operated, and then junked. And that's what happened. Now in the case of another scenario I want to show you we had gotten in a number of years ago and got the games. Now uh that was Gotautle's brilliant uh idea of making an inexpensive game one level uh no speech because the speech chips are expensive and releasing a series of games in the same cabinet but with different artwork. uh Royal Flush Deluxe Jacks to open uh rack them up. Uh and the games was one. Well, there was a time in the old days, uh I used to buy games from a company, local vendor, Stan Harris. He was buying the games directly from Gotautle and he got everything including rare prototype games. He got them all and I ended up getting them. Things like Punk. He always had two or three punks. two or three cubic requests and they were beat to blazing [] I mean, they were they were just molested and in the cabinets when I used to buy them, they were 200 bucks each. I would go there about a month before Christmas and he'd have a row of these lined up. Pan, he called it panitara. Panera, uh, Spider-Man ice fever. Uh, and he would wipe them down, change the rubbers or bleach the rubbers. He was bleaching the rubbers. He wasn't changing them. Talk about your restoration tip. Dry out anything. And he would have them wrapped up and he he [clears throat] attached the steel the the body the head to the body. They were wrapped up without legs and the legs were strapped on the head with steel cable. Wow. A steel the kind you um would use to uh pack a game with. But now we use of course fat fabric. But he used steel cutting into the paint. The games were horrific. But he said 200 200 a piece. Take all you want. So we would buy them for 200 and we'd bring them into the shop, clean them up a little bit, change some bulbs or whatever. And we were selling them for $7.99. This is a game we got back that we had sold for $7.99 probably 25 years ago. Now in this case, we painted it black. Good song. No, it isn't. I see it. and the playfield. Uh, we we puttied it. We painted it with a putty knife and we put some glare. So, what do you do when you get one back? So, we got this game back at 25 years later. Here, here's the clip and the boys appear in this one. We're back again. Full screen. What do you do when you get a game in that runs but just ugly? We've all had them. All of you. But you don't run. I was going to say that's the difference. What can we do, Todd? Well, here's what we did. We got in this the games. The playfield was I love Seawolf running in the background. huggings. And what had happened is over the years, come in close young, um, it had gotten painted and then myar was put over it. Mhm. And then some road words were written in. This is from years ago, I might add. And the end result was a game that was pretty well worn. Yes, it is. The artwork on the side was ugly. There's no artwork now. At least it's not our old spatter. What we came up with, here's the idea, Frank, is we said some people wanted a cheap game. They wanted it to be mechanically working rate. In other words, mechanically means the flippers get rebuilt, the flung link, shafts, and the stroke switches, camera switches, electronics are all updated, including Frank's famous battery. There it is. That's right, Frank. You know how many people hate your battery board? And they do. How much do you care? The electronics will be perfect, but don't expect Well, bumper. Well, what happened is we sold this game in 2021 for $2, 000. Because he wanted a cheap basic game and he got it. Yes, he did. Okay. He got it. They played the hell out of it. Enough where they chipped it. That wasn't shipped. As a matter of fact, there's light in here. But I wonder if the lights out, Frank. Cuz these are LEDs, aren't they? Nope. It's a regular light bulb. That's right. That's a B. And that chrome that's been ched. Oh, that seems chrome, too. That's two. You think this one's chrome? Oh, yeah. Oh, yes it is. It's going down. And this Oh god, it's hot. Oh, this one's chrome. Actually, it's not. Oh, somebody put a 12 vol 194 in there. [music] That's not as bright. It's ugly. We're going to get We're going to put four LEDs. So, so we fixed it up. This is an opportunity for our friends to resurrect a game, especially something simple like this without hardly any coils or things to go wrong and resell it. I think I think this is a good introductory game. What to do to get something out there. Sometimes the simple ones are the ones to to restore. This actually went to a VF uh W post. They kept it about 5 years. You won't break. That's a song painted black. Never heard it. Could you sing a little bit of it for me, please? [music] I see a pinball and I want to paint it black. Please don't do that again. [laughter] He did it. Anyway, thank you very much for putting up. This was Frank's idea. I didn't like doing this anyway. Get the hell out of here. Can we go back to the live show? Back to you, Todd. That was amazing. By the way, what people at home did not see, Chuck was shaking his head here in real time along and synchronized with the video. That was amazing. Of course, we added the music in later. Of course we did. Yes. And I had to copyright check it to make sure we didn't get a flag on Jillian's live cast. So, you know, you have to It's like every 8 seconds they they nail you. And it's funny, YouTube is now going back on all my old videos and finding little bits and bobs. I had a woman laughing hysterically [laughter] and screaming and laughing and suddenly I had seven copyright things come up that 4 second laugh. So I YouTube allows you to edit. I cut the 4 seconds out on all the videos. know the video if anybody watches it they'll wonder what happened you know there'll be a jump but just so I could get the continue to get the revenue I make about 500 a month on YouTube you know even though we have like 2200 videos it's not a whole lot but so you're saying you had to decide whether to discard your YouTube videos or to do a little restoration well no they would make the money off of them no there wasn't a copyright strike they they just suddenly for that 4 Amazing. The creature wanted to get all my money. Hell with them. That that one video that had the laugh in was making 4 cents a month. We could use that laugh right now. Oh, it's more of a cry. Now, you've all had a game like that of the games or something. And the game works, everything works, but it's just plain ugly. So, you sell it cheaper. Maybe the person that buys it will play it, have fun with it, and then uh bring it back to life. When we sold that particular game to the VFW club, I think it was 1, 600 or 1700. They kept it about five years. Uh it was we changed it over to LEDs. It came in with incandescent bulbs. Then we switched them over. We used the Comet LEDs uh because they seem to produce the best results for us. Um but uh uh it's out on its new owner. Do you remember who we who got that? I don't remember. No, I can't remember. Do you know we've sold almost 40, 000 machines over 46 years? Just a huge amount of games going out the door. You know, Todd, I I think for everybody here that watches your videos, they probably have all seen Kurt before. I'm sometimes overly particular about my games, and Todd tells me I'm pnicity, although he and I will agree to disagree there. But, um, Kurt always says famously, when you think about these machines, you don't play the cabinet. So sometimes if you have more than one game at home, you want to try and make a decision. You how's the playfield look? If the playfield is really in great shape, that's what you're going to see every day, especially when it's in a lineup. And more often than not, you'll never see the cabinet. And it's one of those things if you can reconcile it emotionally. You can kind of let the cabinet go or make that a project later. But if you have a game that is sound and plays well and reliably, you're going to get just as much enjoyment from that game. Well, I think it goes back to what Todd was just saying. for for certain people, you love certain games. We all love our stupid games, the ones that people go, "Oh, that's terrible." You love playing it. And so when it comes to am I going to restore a game because I love it. To your point, if the playfield is great and it's playing well and maybe the cabinet is beat to crap, you don't care. I mean, so don't spend the time or the money that you're probably never going to get back putting into the cabinet or into the artwork or whatever the case happens to be. If you got a good playfield and it's mechanically sound, it's it's worth a fortune to you. And if you get your money back at the end of the day, like the people with the games basically did, win-win. Yeah, for sure. You think about in the early 90s, actually there were some prototypes in the late ' 80s, but when Williams brought out that diamond plate coating on the playfield, there are some playfields out there that are 30 years old and with a little bit of cleaning, they look brand new. But that cabinet head has been smashed into 200 doors along the way and is missing big chunks, but the playfield looks brand new. So, you really have an opportunity to enjoy a game even though it may not be perfect cosmetically outside of the world under glass. Thankfully, we're going to talk about a perfect game next. Oh, [laughter] I didn't realize we had Jackpot on the agenda. [clears throat] Uh uh this next this next example is a real tough one. We actually sold the one that was underwater. Um Woodter Woodter. Uh Bali made a game and they made a hundred prototype Mystics. they it it has to be one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen. Uh with the original eye centerpiece and we had gotten one in and at the same time we got another mystic in that was in water up to the head. So the playfield was in the Skookill River of Philadelphia uh up to the head. Um, the guy his whole arcade he it was a at a oddly enough a place that my daughter ended up working at for a few months uh in their game room and all their games were underwater. And Woodter Wood spelled Woodter. Wu Der. Just remember that. So anyway, there's no R in that word. So it was kind of amazing that we actually had both games in at the same time. So Frank and I decided to show what I would curious how many of you what you would do in this in instance. Now the man that bought the game on the left. Uh I think Frank what did we charge? Back glass was beautiful. The circuit boards were fine. So I think we sold it for 600. I don't I remember the game. I don't I remember the games themselves. I don't remember what. Well, let's run this video. We have a just a twominute video of it, but you can see the underside and what Skookill River can do to it. We're live for a very special video. This was one of the live videos. Very special, isn't it? We have two mystics here. We have one really nice one I completely refurbished. It's the special one with the eye. Look. See the eye? The [clears throat] other one is without the eye, but there's a other one. Look. Oh, God. Mystic. Would you pick this up for 3600 plus tax? A marketplace special. Two grand. Smell that toxic. Yeah. Don't breathe that. Don't get too close to that. Jeez. Yeah, that's going to get sick. All right, let me see. I can't I don't know what's in there. Oh, they're transistors. I think they're uh 20 2030s probably for the lamps. You oddly enough, we actually got the game to fire up. It actually worked. And there were four light bulbs on the playfield that worked. I didn't have footage of that though because that was an inn-out thing and we didn't have time to make a full length video. uh that appeared in one of our many live videos. We're doing a lot of lives now because there's just no time to edit. Now, if you got that mystic and it actually fired up, what would you do? Um there's no playfield replacement. I don't know. The more interesting question, just looking at that video, I'd forgotten about that one, is if they were switched, if the working eye were in the one underwater, does that change your answer? That's a great question. Well, there's only a hundred of them. That's right. Uh, what I would probably do is switch the heads. Well, we I know you would. Of course, the serial numbers won't match. Now, remember, the heads on both games were fine, right? [sighs] I don't know. It's a tough call because I mean for for a purist, for somebody who says, "Hey, look, this was a prototype. There were only a hundred of them, you know, maybe you're going to go all out to save it." Um whereas if it were something else, maybe not. But I don't know. I mean, I remember the game coming in and it was that that video doesn't do it justice. It was so bad. Well, we have a Yeah. And we do have a video on the the uh the one that we restored. I'm very proud of the video. all the time. We also provided uh the uh internet pinball database. Jay, if you send him pictures, you're not allowed to send him pictures with LEDs. He gets all upset. He wants some original. So, we actually converted the top part of it back so we could show details and photographs of the um elaborate system that Valley did. It's actually not elaborate, but it was just so nice and I think it added $100 to the production cost. Maybe such a great touch. They chopped it. It makes the game. It really does. Todd, do you want to tell people your other claim to fame when it comes to the internet pinball database? Oh, I can. If you go in the internet pinball database, data. Data. I call it data. Data like water. Jillian, what's the proper name? Data or data? Are you talking about the Star Trek character or you talking? Both data. One is data and one is data. Wrong. You know, that was a that was a really good answer, Jill. You spelled water. W U D E R Water. That's a D A. There we go. Yeah. W W O D E R. would I can't I can't I'm too old and fat to change. I can't change. You're not that old. Oh. [laughter] So So what? So speaking of which, what's your claim to fame? Oh. Uh uh if you see any weight. Good thing I'm here on the database. Database. Uh that's us. And we have a professional scale and before we ship the games, we wrap them, put the legs on them and we put it on the scale to get a weight of just the machine without the pallet. And you'd be surprised that some of these games are a lot lighter than you'd think. Of course, the heaviest games ever is the Jersey Jacks. They're almost 400 lb without a pallet. They're rated at about 75 tons. Which one? Carlo. No, Monte Carlo is well under 300. Got leaves were never heavy. The lightest got leaves, of course. No, we actually have a Monte Carlo owner in the room tonight. We do. Where want to raise your hand in the back there? Monte Carlo. Ah, and he said it works. I asked him earlier. Well, we actually have now we have two in the shop because one's coming back. We're uh they're moving. So, we're buying back a Monte Carlo that we sold I think 20 years ago. So, we're getting back another money. We've sold so many of them. My god. Doesn't one of them have a header? I don't know if the one we're getting back. I was gonna say there was one that had a header to it. Yeah. The uh the headers disappeared. The vendors took them off and threw them out. Threw them in their back shop. That's what happened to a lot of the headers of uh like gold wings and some of them fell apart pretty easily. But uh but uh um the uh uh database uh Jay said no one's ever offered to put it, but he won't give me any credit for it. He says, "I can't give you credit for that." I said, "Okay, not a problem." So, but if you see it and it says uh actual measured weight, that's me. Uh I have not he has not responded to any of the most recent posts though I sent. So, I'm not sure if he's not getting email. Pardon? He's not responding. Okay. Yeah, I haven't I've sent him a whole bunch of weights. So, what I did is I countermeasured and posted them on pin side. So, I figured, well, some people it'll help because you need to know the weight if you're going to tell uh precision moving and storage to pick your game up. Uh, you know, you have to have the weight of the machine. [clears throat] Now, sometimes they just classify them as 250 lbs, 275 or something, but you'd be surprised. Some of these games are only 220 pounds. So, and surprising with the legs, too. But, um, now we've reached a point in our show where I'm going to show you something that my next door neighbor Pete uh did for me 15 years ago. Um, he's exceptionally good with his hands. He works wood wonders and things. And he said, "Todd, do you have any back glasses you don't want anymore?" And I said, "Well, yeah, we got we got some." He says, "Yeah, I want to I want to experiment with it." And I gave him two, a wildfire and a um black knight. Now, all of you who've had a black knight have had crappy back glasses. And uh once again, a phone call to Williams to straighten this out won't help. Creeps. So the but anyway, what do you do if the back glass and you just can't put it out on the curb and you don't know what to do or anything? So Pete took these two glasses and I'm going to guess he spent 20 bucks each and he made these and these have been in my house in my projection room in the house for 15 years. I never did anything with them and I was down there trying to find a cartoon and I said, "Oh gosh, I forgot about these back glasses." So we made a video showing you what we're going to do. We also brought the back glasses with us. I'm have a longer video that'll be on YouTube. I wanted to premiere what we did and what you can do for about 20 bucks a back glass. Here we go. Ah. Oh, it's my chance again. I love being on screen in front of all of you people. Don't we? Don't I, Kurt? You do. Did you say is that for me? Working on a game. Speaking of working on a game, Frank Secret Stars back the stars a popular what' you say Steve Kirk did. It's a Steve Kirk classic. It is glass. It's like [] Wait a minute. I think it can be saved. Yeah, but turn it around. Let's look at the back. Okay. Now, now come in close. Michelle's filming. This doesn't look too bad. Wait a minute. You can get one of my Let's compare. What do you think? Which looks worse? Oh, you get one of my competitors. They'll think that glass is great. The back glass is okay. But you can see that it's it's it's got a lot of wear. You definitely wouldn't want to trash this. But what do we do other than repainting the glass? Well, let's look here. Let's start look good behind with the story behind what I'm showing you today because this is I think revolutionary. Okay, let's not get carried away. I think it's revolutionary. You do it now. My neighbor 15 years ago came to me and my we were at the new house. Well, I call it the new house, but we had moved. And he said, Todd, he was a big handyman. Likes to build stuff himself and everything. Do you have any back glasses? uh uh you'd like to get rid of. And I said, "Well, I probably do, Pete." You know, he says, "I I want to experiment with it and see what you can do." So, I gave him two back glasses, a black knight and a wildfire. [music] [singing] I got it in. I got it in. I got it. Just getting bored. But anyway, [clears throat] he took that back glass. There it is. and he built a 2x two frame. Look, he he went all out. Look, he's got the corners. He has the hanger. I took the hanger off and you'll see why. And but he didn't paint it and it's still flaking. Glass is still flaking. Now, what do you do if Can you hold that at the same time? Well, I walk up. This is difficult. I get up and I walk. Oh, it's over here. He went to Home Depot and he purchased a sheet of poly shield sheathing underllayment. It's like it's very thin. He cut it out and he put just the silver side, not the poly side, in to frame it. He stuck it in and then Yeah. There's the end results. So, in the windows it's silver. And look, the silver blends in with the red and blue. Do you think that would work with my stars? God, it looked great. Now, of course, you can't light it from behind, but if you hang this on the wall, that probably look pretty good. What do you think, Frank? So, let's see. Uh-oh. You can get it out. I can't get it out. There you go. You have to figure it out. So, let's see the before. There we are. Let's see the after. Of course, it's not going to go in your game. It's going to go in your game room. Not bad. So, it's nice and shiny. And all the particles that were [clears throat] black, see all the missing paint is now beautifully covered. And this and it actually works with the stars motif. There's the before. There's the after. Look at that. Now, I don't know what else to say, Frank. What What should I say at this point? You said everything. How great I am. I have a better idea. How about you say, we're going to go back to the live discussion. Well, you see, here's the the last thing. Back to you, Todd. Wait a minute. Let me slide this out. So, I brought both glasses here to the show. See, I'm I'm no idiot. So, Frank, do you think somebody may want to buy these from me now? I spent hours or my neighbor did. I'll be able to buy dinner. My neighbor did all this work. Just hang them up at TNT. Did you learn something? Say yes. Yes. So, we have them both here. So, you can come up afterwards. I was Somebody said, "What do you think the bracelet?" So, I said, "Well, you know, I'll just make them a hundred bucks if somebody doesn't want to do the effort and and can hang it because it's got the hangers on it." I think they look pretty good. Um, so at the end of the show, if you want to come up and look, we'll also hold up the wildfire since we never showed that. Went and called him wildire. My best, Chuck. It's in the slide emote. Well, it doesn't matter. That's too bad. Okay, fair enough. Tough. Put it in front of you. There we go. I'm gonna walk in front of the Now, I expect all of you or some of you out there could try this. So, uh, very easy. 2 by twos, put them together, buy a sheet of that. You probably have to buy a 4x8 sheet of that silver crap, but you may be able to get rid of some of your glasses at the next show because uh makes instant nice wall decoration. And you could put a light on the front of it or shine a light on the front that would highlight the silver. Do you think that's a good idea, guys? All of you watching, I think I put them all to sleep. No, the idea of backlighting with some LED lights. I thought about that all around you on the back of the wall at the time. Well, you know what's interesting? Sometimes if you put the backlight on there, it's really going to exaggerate the flaking. But if you are able to be a little bit creative, you look at a a picture light, something on the outside that would shine up against the glass the other way, creates a little bit more excitement around it, and it's not going to have as much emphasis on the flaked portions. That's right. The the thing I was thinking was, and we didn't get a chance to try it, if you put strip lighting around the inside of the frame on top of the glass, so now it's in front. I wonder what that would look like. Anyway, just a thought. Let's try it. Let's try that. Yeah, I'll try it on the way home when I'm hauling these things back to Philadelphia. [laughter] Are any of you going to try it? Somebody has to say yes. They're just staring at me. They're all nodding their heads. Yes, Todd. They're nodding. But I mean, they're all nodding their heads yes and saying we have six minutes left. Well, we don't have to stop at six, but we can continue on afterwards. But we only have one more clip that Scott filmed. Well, I filmed Scott actually to be honest with you. But Scott has something to do. He decided to to make his about what to do with a modern game. in this case was The Walking Dead, right? Yeah, Walking Dead. Walking Dead Premium. What do you do when you have a Walking Dead or a Concaney X-Men or an Infinity Quest that you think any game Deadpool? Wait, wait a minute. Avatar. Any game. You just reminded me. Conclave. No, please. No. Go ahead, Jillian. Let's do a conclave. Let's have a conclave. I want to have a conclave. [music] Lock the doors tight. Let's have a conclave. Sister Agnes, forget [music] your habit. Lie, vote. Let's have a conclave. We're going to deceive [music] and vote and lie and vote for vape. A conclave is a meeting for finding a new pope. Smear campaigns and men who are vain and votes in envelopes. And though we [music] walk the turtle and share a password or two, light that sick, heaven forbid, we're sequestering for you. Conclave [music] let go. We find you're so fine. Let's have a conclave. That's what you do with your game. Watch that video and you can throw it out the front door. That's what you're [laughter] going to want to do with it. Well, makes me want to I I run that a lot now when we do the live and I've had people email me and says it's in my head. I can't get it out of my head. The music of course is is out there. But Tommy wrote the lyrics and stuff and filmed it on our uh stage in our basement. Where we had Why do you have a stage in your basement? Well, because the girls used to act. Because the law frowns upon having a pit. Do you know my number? The second most watched video is a single and Terry's in it too. A single uh performance of Finding Dory presented on my stage with me not only working the spotlight but filming at the same time and I it's my second most viewed video on my channel. Oddly enough, other stuff by film strip projector and how it works is in my top 10 videos. So, I'm going to do one on the opaque projectors. Jillian, they must show these things in correctional facilities or something. I have no idea how you're getting abuse. A lot of heads are bobbing. Let's have a conclave. There's an entire generation of kids who stayed up late watching his true to make them fall asleep. True. Thousands of viewings. I was on 7 days a week from 12:00 midnight to 1:00 a.m. on all the area channels. I spent a h 100, 000 a year running the show. Boy, that was money well spent. But we we got a lot of new people. That's before the internet, you know. Yeah. I I had to supply the show on super VHS tapes. Oh, nice. How about that? Remember that crazy connector? It had to be oriented the correct way. Like the old micro USB cable was terrible trying to plug that in. Were you on one of the UHF channels? Uh, yes. They were they were all below above 14. I thought so. All above 14. But anyway, 83. Anyway, it's interesting what people watch. You know, my Tik Tok channel is getting tons of views. Now, I realize there's swipe and I have to film vertically, but there's no editing. You can have up to 10 minutes and uh I get tons and tons and tons of views. So Todd, now that the audience is approaching dead, can we get back to the Scott Paresi, now that we did our conclave? Let's have a conclave. But anyway, we already did. Scott, would you like to uh introduce your video? Sure. Okay. We have a a clip that we filmed. It's, you know, probably about 200 seconds long, but we were talking about the value in restoration or whether it's worth it. I wanted to expand that a little bit like Todd mentioned into more modern games and modifications. There was a a period of time where people thought pinball was I thought Chuck was raging that people thought that pinball was going to be a great investment. You buy a machine and six months later you're going to flip it for for double. Um which obviously is not the case. There was a period and there are certain titles that increase in value, but generally speaking pinball needs to be treated as a hobby. It's not an investment or best case, it would be a get-rich extremely slow scheme. So, you really don't want to look at it that way. But, it's something you have fun. And these games are filled with electronics and you have a metal ball being hit 80 miles an hour into a piece of plastic. It's something that will change its appearance and require maintenance over time. But people like to modify their games, which is great. Anyone here modify any of their pinball machines at home, new or old? I'm sure every hand is going to go up. two people. Three. Okay, there we go. But so it's [clears throat] fun to modify a pinball machine, but also you can end up spending thousands of dollars on things like toppers or subwoofers and shaker motors and other things. And they're all really fun and they're really great and they add to the game and and in some cases it deepens your immersion into the game. But it's one of those things you have to do it for fun and do it for yourself. If you're buying a game and and I'm going to repeat everything in the video in a minute, but and you plan to just keep it for a little while, you're really just throwing money away. If you put in a shaker motor or an older game, you maybe put some LED lighting in there, you're going to spend a lot of your time and money to modify or tweak the machine, but it's not something you're going to get back. There are things, and we'll cover it as well. I might as well just skip the video at this point. But like a color DMD if you put in one of those machines from the the 90s into the early 2000s would What happened? See, I did another Why don't we run the video and then we'll continue. Go ahead. It's our last clip. You got me going now. Scotty, what are you doing there? Well, I couldn't be in the main part of the video because I was late. So now this is my punishment. I have to talk about whether things are worth it when it comes to modifications on pinball machines. I don't get that far. What's the deal with this game? This has an over modded, right? Yes. This is a This is a Walking Dead premium. Really nice machine. This is the mid-tier game. And it's fun to modify pinball machines, by the way. But when you think about again what you're going to do and whether it's worth it, you have to look at some of the cost. Todd, while you're showing the play feed, I'll jump right into it. You look here, you have these survivors inside on the top of that house. That's a decal. That's not something that came from the the factory that way. So, that's something that somebody probably spent a little bit of money on to just customize and personalize the machine, which is great. There's nothing wrong with personalizing machine. But, it's one of those things you have to reconcile. If you're going to get rid of it later down the road, you want to trade or sell, you're probably not going to get your money back. Here's another modification on this game. You have the the shooter rod there. While it's really neat and it makes your machine unique, it's not something where you're going to get your money back later. And the important thing here when you think about modifications, pinball is a hobby, right? If this is your get-rich slow scheme, it's not going to pay off for you. You have to look at this as something that's fun and entertaining for your friends and family. And it's not something where you're going to make money in the long term. There have been some exceptions, but it really is the exception, not the rule. Now, we have this topper up there. Really fun, really neat. It looks just like the shooter rod. It's scary. It has the RGB LED lighting on there, but again, that's something you're going to spend $800, $1, 000 to put on there, and it really sets your machine apart, and it makes it pop, but it's not money you're going to get back later when you decide. Wouldn't the best bud be the color display? I think adding a color DMD to a machine really makes it pop, and it also makes it feel a little bit more modern. This machine came out, I want to say roughly around 2014, early in the factory LED GI era, but you look at that red display, it's neat and maybe it makes you think a little bit about blood and the theme, but I've got a color display in there that's really going to pop and bring your game to life and give it that feel look and feel like you'd see on television. So, summing it up, is it worth putting extra mods on the game if you're thinking of blowing it out quickly? I think if you're not going to keep it for a long time, it it's an absolute waste of money. It's all personal preference, but if you're going to keep the machine for a long time and this is going to be in your collection for years to come, have at it. Modify it, make it yours, personalize it, make it unique. But if you plan just to play for a couple months and flip and play the market, it's not worth it. It's money you're just [music] not going to get back. Well, I thank you very much. See, I did let him have a segment. Thanks, everybody. I did. My wife wasn't able to see that. Oh, she'd be mad. Can I just We'll get our money back, honey. Don't worry about it. Can I just commend Scott not only on fine commentary, but you looked very monochromatic in that video. I was wearing black shoes as well, but [laughter] they they didn't they didn't show. Yeah. Yes. And he had a colored shirt on. Yes. I was I was dressed for teams in Zoom. I I guess. But you know another great example and Todd talked about Mystic earlier just to get into to modifications and here's a modification scenario on an older machine. Anyone here not a fan of the great pinball machine taxi from the the late '80s? Taxi. So yes, not a fan. Yeah. I'm saying is there anyone here that's not a fan? Not a fan. Oh, so of course and by the way just so you know and a little history here any game that I like Todd dislikes. And if you look at the the I'm off on a sidetrack here, but the Todd Tucky top six, and uh Funhouse. So So those those are the Todd Tucky top six. I guarantee if I told you I liked any of those games, he would he would find a try me out. Theater of Magic. What a piece of [***] [laughter] Exactly. Yes. Exactly. So that's unrehearsed but unfortunately it's something that I I can say something good about taxi. What it's better than jackpot. Ah but that that class of 1812 is so great. But anyway, back to I I have a clear-coded one to I found out there's certain games of Gotautlees. The transformer on the bottom is completely unique and I think there's six Gotautle system 3es that use a completely special unique transformer. Vegas is one of them. We sold a Vegas to a customer. We did not have the fuse cover cardboard on the bottom. A screw fell off the playfield and happened to drop across the fuse block and smoke the transformer. [clears throat] So to keep the customer from having literally a stroke, I took my transformer out of my class of 1812 and I've been hunting for one since because you have to find one from a junk game. Mhm. And we had a hoops, but that was so underwater. We have a video with with some worst condition pinballs. It literally fell apart in your hands from the water and the transformer was beyond hope. So I couldn't resurrect it. We tried. But anyway, just to put a funare Yes. Yeah. We the one that you took the guy told me he he had a Lord of the Rings and we got out there and it was a Road Kings. Close. Nice. That fell apart in our hands. Literally. We have a video up. It's amazing. The machines literally broke apart. Now, oddly enough, I sold the back glass of the Batman Forever to Peter Monroe. Oh. where all the paint fell off the glass except the outline of Batman, the word Batman. And looks beautiful. It's like a silhouette. But I remember the guy arguing, "Oh, there's not this is in great shape. Look, you got the back glass." And then I said, "Yeah, but the paint's literally about to come off in sheets." And uh uh that that was horrific. We have a live video up. So I wish we had a clip of that A-ball Deluxe back glass from last year. It was pretty much translucent. Do you remember that? Yes. But anyway, just to put a bow on the the taxi cuz I'm sure everybody is hungry here. Todd mentioned earlier the mystic and possibly changing the heads and the the serial numbers not matching. I don't think people look at pinball machines like cars where you look for a a numbers matching old muscle car, for example. There are a lot of people out there that believe the Maryland version of the taxi has greater value than Lola, but if you really look at the marketplace, people are paying based on condition. But a lot of people like to have the Maryland version. And you can get a hard top or CPR playfield and a reproduction backlass to convert your game from Lola to Maryland. And it's one of those things it's going to cost you probably about a, 000 bucks, maybe more, which is the majority of the value in a taxi, but some people really enjoy having that Maryland and that that look back of something that looks very close to to Marilyn Monroe. It's one of those things when you modify a game, do what feels good for you, but do it because it's something you're going to enjoy and not something you think is going to pay off or bring you extra money in trade or cash trade in down the road. They're fun. They're awesome. My machines are modified, but you have to do it with an understanding that you're probably not going to get your money back. And the uh interesting thing about the Maryland the internet pinball database says there's like 200 of them or something that that can't be right because we have come across so many Marylandans. Uh I think it's more like I think they said that because they had to pay fees to Marilyn Monroe's estate. They said they only sold 200 of them. I think they sold 2, 000 of them because there seems to be more Maryland's and las. There definitely are. But uh anyway, uh that's an argument that we'll never get a true answer for. Um uh we have one last thing to share. Oh no. And it's it's the end titles, but this is one of my wife's final appearances uh in our end credits where I smoked the cigarette and such. And she agreed to film several of these. Uh it was it was difficult, wasn't it, Frank? Frank was there. We spent the whole afternoon filming alternate endings. Uh, and some of them didn't work because they were out of focus, but this one did. This is our end credit. After the show's over, we'd be happy to answer questions because I know some of you want to take off, but I wanted everybody sitting to at least see the end credit with Pam. And then um, uh, of course and and as soon as the end credits are over, we can stay for a little bit longer. Um they told maybe up till 5:30 if anybody little bit little bit and Jillian tells me just we started because everybody's hungry but uh let me run the end credits. Here we go. Good night. Are you still here? Somebody just commented they like their end credits. [music] the um I had to edit the end music so I could get by the copyrights. Now that is that isn't your home, right? That's my house. That's actually how my foyer looks when you come in the front door. So it was a easy setup. I have a motion lamp there. I have a different one now. Uh and then the uh the chair is still there. That chair I'm sitting on was my mother's first piece of furniture she bought when she uh moved out into her own house. and we kept it all these years. But that is our show. We we'll be happy to answer questions too. Um if any of you have anything because I know some of you are hungry and want to get out. So you're here for the the next show's at 7, right? What's the show at 7? Mark Hel showing what he's finally finished for his second edition. It's 7:30. Oh, it's 6:30. 6:30. Oh, Todd, you better hurry. Did anybody have any questions? Anybody? Uh, we have a mic. I have a comment, a personal experience on any of these categories. Any anything maybe your uh experience with trying to decide whether to restore it or whe whether or not. It's sort of like restoring an old car. If you try to restore an old car, you'll spend a lot of your hours on it and you'll never get your money back. I I tell people all the time collecting pinball machines is like collecting old cars. Everybody sees them and they love the colors and the lights and it's all shiny. Everybody has a story about the first time they saw one or first time they played one and there's always something on the damn thing that doesn't work exactly right. Every single time. Yeah. Do it for yourself. Don't do it. Amen. Yeah. Amen. Yeah. Well, if there are no questions, nobody got one. Oh, we have one. Here we go. Now, I question I lost tons of money on mods, but that Walking Dead topper I sold to a rich lunatic in Fort Lauderdale for $3, 000 and that won me about 25 arguments with my wife. SO, [applause] got me out of a million fights. Well, my wife actually told me when I was building my game room in the basement that uh when we bought the new house, she said uh I agreed to it if I could have full control over the basement game room. Half of it is games and then the other half is a movie theater with a stage uh for the girls because they were quite young when we bought the house back in I think 2007. And I said, I have full control over what we what I have in there. And she says, "But but" and I said, "No, no, no, no. If we buy this house, the basement is mine. Anything I want to bring in." And then she But but but I but then I agreed to one condition. She said, "Don't bring anything into the house that's not fully finished and clean with new casters and they looks nice. You don't want any rag bags in the house." And I purposely when we got to the game to the bottom door, we put on those special vinyl casters that they no longer sell, but you can push the machine around. They're wonderful. Right on top of the carpet. And that was the only agreement. And she a couple times she says, "I'm going to bring over a pinball machine." Says, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. What pin?" Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Remember our deal? I can bring anything I want in the house. And I'm down to only, I think, seven games in the house. One is the um I have one of the prototype baby Pac-Mans, the real little ones, and there's only four left in the world. They made five. So, I have one of those. And then we have the class of 1812 where I'm trying to find a transformer. And then a few rare video games. But uh you you haven't brought the cocktail uh that's in the in TNT to your basement. Digger. Uh Digger. I still have the only digger cocktail in the world and that is a TNT. So right now it's being used the same way that most people use their stationary exercise bicycle. And my tapper is the exact same way. It's got stuff piled on it. Well, you have to have a table. Anything with a flat surface. There will be a clinical definition for fear of clear horizontal surfaces in the future. It will be. Everybody has that. And well, it could your pinball downstairs could be covered with wash that they're drying. They're laying out the dry. No, no. Anyway, go ahead. Anyway, guys, any more questions? If not, thank you for coming. Appreciate everybody. Thank you everyone. And those watching uh on the two streams, TNT. Yes. Thank you. Ringer Films, thank you for your super chat earlier. We got some super $2. Yes. He told a lie. He said there was a jackpot of Pentastic, but it's in the dumpster. Nice. Jackpot. Thank you, TNT fam. Everybody hates Jackpot. I hope. Thanks for coming, guys. And we'll be at the autograph session, too, if you need an autograph. If anybody's interested in these uh um back glasses, too. If not, we may try putting those strips on the color strips to see how it looks like. Yeah. On the outside. Yeah. I think we're still on the air, Todd. If any of you want to look, we are we are still broadcast out there. wrap up so I can Yeah, I felt like All right, I'll I'll look where is there there's the camera there. Right there. You folks watching from home, thank you for watching. And I'm going to float up on the screen a whole bunch of uh other shows you can watch, too. We had a great time. Thank you for watching. We have an edited or an uploaded video coming of the Pentastic showing all the game rooms that will that will appear probably Saturday because our most people watch Pentastic videos while the show is on and then the following week the views view rate drops. Thanks again folks for coming to the show live and also uh on the internet. Good night everybody.