I agree. Well, I want to make a case in point. Have either one of you heard of the Play Better podcast? No. I had never oh go ahead I was thinking about it I had never heard of them until I can't remember if Jack Danger had posted that he got some swag from them or something like that it's very Richie based it's competitive based is what it is but you know they're using the skull from No Fear as their logo and stuff like that I would have never heard of them because I wasn't searching for that if it wasn't for Jack Danger. And so my advice to anyone starting a podcast, first, have a good concept. Do your own thing. And then second, network as much as you can. Yeah, one of the things that's pretty cool on TPN is they have an off-the-record podcast. And a lot of the podcasts that are on there, like Just Another Pinball Podcast with Joel Engelberth and Craig Bobby's TPS, the pinball show Midweek. That sort of started off as what they called the off the record one time deal where anybody with a microphone and some editing software can do, you know, a one off podcast if you want to and see how it goes. And if you get a positive response and people enjoy it, you know, people will send you an email and be like, hey, you know, I think this is pretty good or why don't you talk about this or whatever. And you get that feedback and then maybe you try another off the record, the same thing, and maybe you get a little bit better feedback. And then maybe the TPN folk, myself included, would say, hey, this is great. Why don't you join as a full-time podcast? Here's kind of a day of the week or biweekly or fortnightly, as it were. And then you could do your own podcast and come into the TPN network. So if you want to do your own podcast, you can just come on board and do it. And again, there's no commitment required. There's no necessity to bow to anybody just to do your one-off podcast. Yeah. And I say, why not do it? Record it on your phone. I mean, there is no risk of losing anything by doing it. With Loser Kid, we have to pay for our own hosting through SoundCloud. And we have to, you know, there's payments up front that you have to get done before you can even get one episode out. Why not take advantage of what TPN has to offer? Even if you've thought about doing a podcast and you have an idea, you know, you might be the next Silver Ball Chronicles. Oh, thank you. That means a lot. So I want to move on to our next subject because it's something that you're heavily involved with. And I think this is going to take up the rest of our time. Let's talk about the Pinball Industry Awards. And this sounds like it's kind of a brainchild of some of those there at TPN. I want you to kind of explain where the concept came from, kind of who the brainchild of this initiative is and what you hope to gain from it. Yeah, the Pinball Industry Awards, really co-founded by Zach Minney and Dennis Creasel of the Pinball Network. It's really sort of from their gray matter that this has appeared. But I think the idea of a Critics' Choice Award or Critics' Choice-based judging panel is something that many people have talked about. And I'm sure you've had discussions and things like, what if, you know, an expert chose it? Or what if pinball podcasters chose the games and, you know, the best music and sound effects? Like that conversation is not unique. It's not like we, you know, Dennis or myself or any of the members of the Pinball Industry Awards Governing Committee, you know, came up with anything kind of on our own in a roundabout way. what we were able to do is we've got somebody like zach who's a bit of a hype man and you know he's able to push people to sort of say hey let's do it right let's like let's actually get off the couch and do something and that's where we said okay well what would it look like um i remember i had a discussion i want to say march maybe maybe february of 2020 and i sent zach a message and i'm like what if tpn had its own awards right like what if tpn had its own awards he's like well That's not going to work because, you know, we can't just give out awards. That's silly. And then he said, Dennis and I are talking about something. We'll let you know. So it rolls forward till about November. And he's like, hey, here's what we want to do is we don't want to have just TPN voting. We want to open it up to all pinball media as judges. And what does that look like? And then that's when we build a committee. And on the committee, it's myself, Dennis Creasel, Zach Minney. There's Jesse Jay from Jesse Jay's Pinball Podcast from Australia. There's Josh Jacobs, who does Silver Ball Stories, and George Fisher, who does Don't Panic Flips. So we kind of created a core group, and we said, okay, well, if we created these awards and here's our high-level goal, how do we manage that? And that's when we start. That's when sort of the real work started. And it sounds like it's been quite in-depth. The one thing I do appreciate that you guys are doing about this, too, is it's not drawn out over months. Like you're starting today, which is January 1st, and it ends on the 26th, correct? Yeah. So we wanted to do it. there was some discussion as to when in the year to do it and should we should we do you know an award ceremony you know the inevitably and i'll leave that to sort of zach to sort of maybe describe what his inevitable vision will be but um you know we didn't want to really piggyback off of an event we wanted to have our own sort of destination event this year of course it's online so that sort of solves itself but we wanted it to be in january um we didn't want to conflict with the Twippies that happened in March. We didn't want to do anything the same as that. So we set out to be as totally different from any other award ceremony as we could in pinball. And the idea was really that we didn't want to do a popular vote. We wanted to do a critic's choice vote. So we had to come up with a way to choose judges. And those judges, you know, we had to vet them. And then of course, then you get into, okay, well, how do we vet people? And how do we prevent people from gaming the system? And what are the rules and the criteria around who qualifies, right? Like you, all of a sudden you create this big frigging bureaucracy, right? And so we were able to sort of get that in the can and get that solved. And that's over at the pinballindustry awards.com. So the pinball industry awards.com and all of that documentation as to who qualifies as a judge in what we call pinball hobbyist media, which is people like yourselves, all that information is there and you, and you could apply. So if you wanted to be, if you were a podcaster, for example, and you wanted to be a judge to vote for best art, best code best machine game like game of the year that kind of stuff you can apply to do that so then you apply there's a form and then of course the committee members have to look at it and say well this person counts or this one's doesn't or this person is this so that was the major goal and then we wanted to get it sort of done and in the can by january so we wanted it to be short voting times, short application times, get it done. We didn't want to drag it out and then have an event, you know, in October of next year. Yeah, I get you. So, David, with, and you brought this up, this isn't really intended to be a competition with TWIP. And I just want to make sure that people know that that certainly is out there. We support this, we can pinball and support what Jeff is doing. So this is just a, I guess, a different take on looking at it, just like a different podcast or something like that. We're just trying to look at it and say, okay, what would a, I guess, an interested group, almost like, okay, this is the view. This is the pinball version of the view, right? Yeah, and exactly, that's it. So if you're pinball hobbyist media, so if you're a podcaster, if you're a streamer, if you're a pinball writer, if you're, you know, involved in some way that's sort of beyond being just anybody with an email address, you know, video content creator, you have a different critical eye. And we wanted to make sure that this sort of hobbyist media was able to make the choice. Now, in the end, we'll see at the end of January, on January 28, at 8pm Central, you will be able to figure out, okay, did this experiment actually work with the Pinball Industry Awards? And that will be, will these critics' awards be different than the Twippies in March, right, that are chosen by popular vote with anybody with an email address? And we're excited to offer a different piece. But again, we're not competing. I have a Silverball swag store for Silverball Chronicles, which is co-owned by Jeff Patterson, right? I'm a big supporter of Twip. I give to them monthly on their Patreon. So, you know, I am in this for the hobby to add a little bit something extra because, you know, do we need another award show? I don't know. Probably. But do we need another YouTube channel or another podcaster? Like, it's free, fun content, right? And I'm stuck at home in a pandemic, right? I can write some verbiage for a website. Like, come on. Right. I guess that's, I've always said this, that this is another way of bringing more chairs to the table. Just a different perspective. And everything kind of adds synergistically to all the things that we have going on. So I like that it's basically a different take as opposed to, well, Pinside, there's a lot of great content and great things on there. And we all use that. But we tend to realize that in many threads, there are some vocal people who try to drive the conversation and it drives things away from a consensus view. And so this may be a way for people who are active, involved in the pinball industry to have some sort of discussion and consensus to say, well, this is what we feel is the best in this category. And I think it's it certainly gives a different perspective. And I like that. Yeah, it's just a fun it's sort of a fun way to do it. We also have some interesting takes on things like art and things that make us a little bit different when it comes to to cabinet play field, that kind of stuff. So there's a there's a bunch of things. And I think people in the end will be very excited with the way things turn out. It's going to be a lot of fun. And in addition, so what we've done, you know, So one thing that is with, you know, Pinside and awards and things like that is they are highly, highly competitive. And that creates a lot of rifts within the pinball hobby. And we wanted to be able to recognize outside of, you know, Machine of the Year and art and the industry folk. We wanted to recognize some levels of excellence amongst streaming and podcasting and photography and videography that was not based on a popular vote because there's already the Twippies and they do a much better job of managing that. They do a much better job of doing, you know, a competitive popular vote. vote we we wanted to do something very different but we wanted to avoid a lot of like conflict and hurt feelings and and anger and some people for some reason just really want that so they go to pin side and they'll post on things um it really makes you wonder what their spouses deal with on a daily basis. Oh, wow. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you are the happiest person I've ever seen on the internet. What is your real life like? You know what I mean? Maybe their spouses drive that kind of attitude. You never know. So birds of a feather One thing I want to point out though because you are talking about the one thing I noticed with the Twippies in the past Honestly this is just my perception There hasn been much drama when it comes to the categories that have to do with pinball machines like artwork And, yeah, some people like, yeah, this probably deserved it more than the other. Where the drama comes from is this category of streaming, podcasting, photography, YouTube, yada, yada, yada. And so why did you guys decide to go with that can of worms when you could just focus solely on pinball machines? Yeah, there is a lot of discussion among the central governing committee. and we wanted to be able to say you know there's some serious people out there that are doing amazing things in streaming um you know jack danger george fisher at don't panic flip manu at uh uh mystery pinballs mystery science pinball 3000 carl d'angelo and ie pinball there's a lot of uh there's a lot of content providers out there and we wanted to be able to recognize them in a way. And it was really our goal to do that in a as drama free way as possible. And I think that in some ways, that is, in its in itself, sort of created a bit of an issue. And Dennis Creasel had mentioned this on the special podcast about the pinball industry awards. And that was – this is highly experimental. So in addition to the Pinball Industry Awards voted on by the pinball hobbyist media that all applied for their judges, we created a secondary category called the Excellence Awards. And that's excellence in streaming, podcasting, photography, and videography. And what we wanted to do was rather than bring in those judges from the judging pool that we have through application, we wanted to have it as a smaller, more closed group. And we would have a online video chat discussion, argument, you know, defense and nomination process. And what we would do is we would take that information and, you know, put it on the website as to who was nominated and who went through. The main goal was that we didn't want to have a winner. Right. We didn't want to say, hey, here's 10 people. Hey, group, pick a winner. And everybody else is a loser. You know, we didn't want to do that. We wanted to have a recipient and we wanted it to have.