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Episode 78 – Ripping Off Is The New Gold Standard

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Feb 15, 2018
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt covers Death Ball tournament results and TNA machine unboxing with Ryan C guest appearance.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 78 covers the Death Ball tournament held at Silver Ball Saloon in Rochester, NY, where Steve Bowden defended his title against Eric Russell in the finals. The hosts discuss tournament highlights, competitive matches, and the recent Reactor 9 achievement on Total Nuclear Annihilation. Ryan C from Head to Head Podcast joins mid-episode to discuss receiving a TNA machine in Australia and unboxing/setup experiences.

Key Claims

  • Steve Bowden won the Death Ball tournament, defending his title by defeating Eric Russell in the finals with a 3-1 victory

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing tournament results directly from event they hosted

  • Eric Russell and Steve Bowden played each other three consecutive matches during the tournament and had a match on Paragon decided by 400 points

    high confidence · Bruce recounting specific gameplay moment from tournament he witnessed

  • The Death Ball tournament raised over $225 for Project Pinball charity through winnings donations and coin drop

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing tournament fundraising results

  • Bowen Kerins and Karl DeAngelo both achieved Reactor 9 on Total Nuclear Annihilation

    high confidence · Ron announcing achievements during podcast discussion of TNA

  • Total Nuclear Annihilation uses Google voice/text-to-speech rather than a hired voice actress

    medium confidence · Ryan C explaining Scott Danesi's creative decision during guest appearance, noting he claimed it was legal under Creative Commons

  • Ryan C's friend recently delivered a TNA machine to Ryan's Australian location for him to use for one month during a house move

    high confidence · Ryan C explaining personal situation regarding machine availability

  • TNA machines in Australia are experiencing voltage-related flipper issues, causing the ball to rocket out of scoop to right flipper very hard

    high confidence · Ryan C describing specific technical issues with his Australian TNA machine and noting he is working with Spooky to resolve

  • Pinball machines often do not arrive fully dialed-in from the factory and require adjustment by the owner

    high confidence · Ryan C and Ron discussing their experiences with multiple machines (Spider-Man, ACDC, Star Trek, Dialed In)

  • The tournament had top 16 players from upstate New York competing, with one international player guaranteeing victory beforehand

Notable Quotes

  • “We are the gold standard.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~early episode — Running theme/catchphrase throughout episode, referenced multiple times as comedic bit about podcast quality

  • “I'll be thinking about this for 10 years.”

    Eric Russell @ ~middle of tournament recap — Reaction to narrowly losing Paragon match by 400 points against Steve Bowden, highlights emotional impact of close competition

  • “Free pinball machine, baby.”

    Ryan C @ ~TNA discussion section — Describes temporary machine arrangement during friend's house move, shows community generosity

  • “It's so much better in real life than it is watching on the stream you think you have fun watching on the stream but it is ten times better actually playing it in real life.”

    Ryan C @ ~TNA machine discussion — Describes the experiential difference between streaming and physical pinball play

  • “Gold standard? Fuck yeah!”

    Ryan C @ ~Ryan C entry — Ryan C embracing the podcast's running 'gold standard' joke upon joining call

  • “But I was listening to the Head to Head Podcast today and you guys had me in fucking stitches today.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~transition to Head to Head discussion — Shows cross-podcast engagement and comedic appreciation in pinball media community

  • “He turns around and says like, lost by 400.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ ~Eric Russell vs Steve Bowden Paragon match — Capturing the dramatic moment of an extremely close match decided by minimal margin

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonSteve BowdenpersonEric RussellpersonRyan CpersonJeff StrongpersonZach SharpepersonAlberto SantanapersonAndy CushmanpersonHoward Levineperson

Signals

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    competitive_signal: Steve Bowden successfully defended Death Ball title with 3-1 finals victory over Eric Russell

    high · Direct tournament result reporting from event hosts

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Death Ball uses double-elimination format with top 16 upstate NY competitors; finals required Steve Bowden to win two consecutive matches against Eric Russell

    high · Bruce and Ron describing tournament structure and rules throughout episode

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Jeff Strong, ranked highly previous year (2nd place), lost in two consecutive rounds this year, indicating elevated competition level

    high · Ron noting Jeff Strong's early exits despite previous success

  • ?

    content_signal: Ryan C from Head to Head Pinball Podcast guests on Slam Tilt episode; shows growing cross-podcast collaboration in pinball media

    high · Ryan C joining mid-episode via Skype with both hosts actively promoting his podcast

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    product_concern: TNA machines in Australia experiencing voltage-related flipper control issues (ball rockets from scoop, flipper hold problems)

    high · Ryan C describing specific technical issues with Australian TNA machine and noting Spooky is investigating

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Eric Russell vs Steve Bowden matches on Paragon and Metallica show high-end competitive play with narrow margins (400-point Paragon loss, multiple matches)

Transcript

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0:00
Uh, this sucks. Actually, it can be quite therapeutic, Butt-Head. Here, why don't you take out some of that aggression on the drum? And let loose with your innermost thoughts. Uh, this sucks. Bunch of dumbass wussies hitting a stupid drum. Um, good, butthead. You tapped into some genuine emotions there, and I think we can all relate to what you're saying. Uh, you can? Sure we can. It really doesn't suck that you had the courage to say, this sucks. We're hearing you loud and clear, brother. That sucks.
0:55
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam-Filled Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host Ron Hallett, here with my co-host Bruce Nightingale. Hi. Where's the energy, Bruce? I'm a little exhausted this weekend, you know. We had a busy weekend at the Silver Ball Saloon. We did? We did. All of us. We all had a good time. download our QGAP ЙО public cloudquest сlappad.com additional payment for our free Salamander recording. Okay. This is the, um, there's the original version and then there's the Americanized version where they added, uh, Raymond Burr. Perry Mason himself is just in there. And he, he, you just see, the whole movie just stares and, and does, like, talks. In the face, though. Yeah, he just stares. Cause they can't show him and Godzilla in the same frame cause they're not in the movie. Cause they're both too big? They're both too big, no, he wasn't that big yet. Oh, okay.
2:34
So that's Godzilla. Yeah, whatever. Is that what you're attempting is roar? Yeah. It's like a seal died right there. It is a dead seal, you know.
2:49
Well, we could not afford high special effects because we are not the gold standard. No, we are not. And let's get this out of the way immediately. The poll. We win. Mark 侵 about maybe 30 episodes late Yikes Some previous episode I stated that the whodunit the guy, the detective, was the same dude from World Cup Soccer and NBA Sans Para that guy. Ilah Kudrow I believe was his name, and you said no Without proof of you me hearing it and 30 episodes ago, it is not legit sorry Fake Images Fake Editions

high confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing Jeff Strong's overconfident declaration and subsequent poor tournament performance

  • Jeff Strong lost in two consecutive rounds at the Death Ball tournament despite placing second the previous year

    high confidence · Bruce noting the increased competition level as reason for Strong's poor performance

    • Bowen Kerinsperson
    Karl DeAngeloperson
    Scott Danesiperson
    Zoeperson
    Pinball Princessperson
    Nick Laneperson
    Silver Ball Saloonvenue
    Death Ballevent
    Total Nuclear Annihilationgame
    Sweet Talker Tournamentevent
    Head to Head Pinball Podcastorganization
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Project Pinballorganization

    high · Detailed recounting of specific match outcomes and gameplay moments

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    design_innovation: Total Nuclear Annihilation uses Google text-to-speech/Google voice synthesis instead of traditional voice actress recording

    medium · Ryan C explaining Scott Danesi's approach claims it legal under Creative Commons, though specific details unconfirmed

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    community_signal: Death Ball tournament successfully raised $225+ for Project Pinball through player donations and coin drop; community-driven charity effort

    high · Ron and Bruce announcing donation totals and describing participation by Eric Russell and Steve Bowden

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    manufacturing_signal: Pinball machines routinely arrive from factory not fully dialed-in; owners report varying levels of adjustment required (Spider-Man/ACDC minimal, Star Trek/Dialed In extensive)

    high · Ryan C and Ron comparing setup experiences across multiple recent releases

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    event_signal: Death Ball finals filmed and streamed with nearly 5-hour raw footage available plus edited highlights; high production value with technical challenges (wireless/ethernet stabilization)

    high · Ron and Bruce discussing filming setup, equipment changes, and YouTube availability

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    venue_signal: Silver Ball Saloon in East Rochester, NY hosting Death Ball; potential future tournaments at alternative venues including Howard Levine's location (rich EM collection)

    high · Hosts discussing potential future Death Ball locations and venue characteristics

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    collector_signal: Reactor 9 achievement on Total Nuclear Annihilation documented with at least two public completions (Bowen Kerins, Karl DeAngelo)

    high · Ron specifically announcing both achievements and noting Karl received special beta message from game

    • 4:14
    and everything. It was a good time had by all, I think. Top 16 of Upstate New York came out to the Silver Bowl Saloon in East Rochester, New York, and we had some playing going on. I hope so. I hope so. Oh my. Oh my. Well, we had one podcaster guarantee victory before he even got there, and that didn't work out too good for him. No, Jeff Teolas pretty much declared he would be bringing a trophy back when he went through customs. And how did that go for him? Um, he lost in two consecutive rounds. He was second last year, so that tells you that the level of competition was raised a little bit. Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, that's pretty poor representation. Both Canadians got smacked around like the northerners that they are. Finally, New York got a little revenge. But we did. We did. Even though the winner wasn't a New Yorker? Yeah, I'd rather have somebody from the States win than some pesky Canadian. Oh, so we should be chanting USA. Yes, USA. Wow.
    5:31
    But it was a good time. A lot of good matches. Ron beat me again because we didn't play each other. Of course. But, almost happened, the person who took me out almost won.
    5:44
    He was on his way, he was actually the top seed. Eric Russell took me out the first time and then Alberto took me out the second time. Alberto I should have had, I should have taken him out. I was down 33 million to 3 million on Medieval Madness, came all the way back with the bonus, got 32.5 million Ke
    6:36
    We're here with Greg and Greg said you would give your winnings back if you won and what happened? We did. We actually, I took, first Greg got 290,000 on stars which is a very good score on my stars. He took first place and the next person up was me and I got 323. Yeah and then you said fuck you Pavarelli and like told him to suck it and all that. Very classy, very classy. I am classy, you know that. Yep. Because we are the gold standard. We are the gold standard. And, and, you can watch all this on our YouTube channel! I have on our YouTube channel, we have the entire finals, which is like almost five hours long, but for those who don't want to watch that much, we have a highlight video. You can watch Greg and Bruce's Killer Stars games in succession. Woo! Yes, and then you can watch a insane game of Metallica between Eric Russell and Steve Bowden. Yes, so we both won and we both donated our winnings back plus the coin drop and all the money taken in for Pinball, what am I going to freaking say? Project Pinball. Project Pinball, we earned over $225. So good donation. Woohoo! All right. Very cool. Definitely a good cause. So, first round, I played Brian Estes. I beat him 3-0. How about it was your first round? Wow. Just no... No... Boom. Do you know what game it is? Do you remember anything? Oh, I know exactly. Yes, I do. Whitewater, Swords of Fury, and what was the third one? ECDC. All right. 3-0. Boom. So, my first round. I played against Anthony, the kid. The kid. The 14 year old. He's like a foot taller than me. Yes he is. And he, he kind of got acquainted with a little tighter tilts. Yeah, because my game, I want them. He's kind of, he has that rock fantasy training, so he's kind of, the tilts tend to be a little loose in rock fantasy land and... Is there? Yeah, and there are tilts. There are tilts, and he had some issues getting used to the tilts. But the first game we played pirates and he took a lead. I got to the third ball. I finally got something started, but it wasn't enough. I lose that. Yeah, he was crushing pirates all weekend. So I picked Stargazer and I saw something happen that I've never seen before. We talked about this on the podcast before about... And it was actually talked on... Tiltworms. Tiltworms mentioned it.
    9:35
    That you can't tilt through a stern. That's one of the great features of the stern software. You can't tilt through.
    9:45
    Well, Anthony found a way to tilt through. Where basically he plunged the ball, and he hit one of the spinners, I can't even remember which one, … but like shot down the middle I tried to do a really hard slap stave Since it was almost there was no bonus it just went right to my ball and the spinner was still spinning and put points on my score I go up there and a lot of players like they'll you always hit the flipper buttons before they're gonna plunge and all that I don't usually do that so I I just I plunge the ball it hits the first pop-up or and and pop over doesn't do anything at that point I'm Tim Kitzrow, Laser Loser Kid Pinball Podcast, Mirco Playfields. So that put us at 1-1. Then we went to... And Colin, the winner of Pinburgh, said my spinners were nice and juicy. Thank you, Colin. Until for now. Thank you very much, sir. And Josh Sharp said we should play player one and three. Yeah. Actually... But it's coin drop, so... Yeah, and that's true. And plus it's not... You gotta play like a four player game. Because you gotta have two and four with no one on it. Yep. Then I'm trying to think what the next game was. My memory isn't the greatest. What the hell did I play? Oh, Attack from Mars. And he tilted two out of the three balls. And that was very tight, I must say. Yeah, tilt on Attack from Mars, he got there. Very tight tilt. Then we went to Demoman. We went to Demoman and I was behind going into the last ball and I just I end up just playing the like left ramp come back around up to the center the center ramp I guess you would say and then it comes around into the hole and I just kept doing that until I had enough points and beat him. That's the kind of the safest play. It is. Yeah and that was over so I won 3-1. Okay, next round for you. Nope, you're next. I lost to Eric 3-1. I beat him on Metallica. Where did we go next? We went to ACDC. He beat me on ACDC. I then went to Whitewater. We both had terrible games on it. So then I'm like, okay, let's go to Monopoly. I went to Monopoly and I had the worst kick out. I had lock lit and multiball ready for railroad multiball. again with các bạn sank whisk kwa wo sampai nay Good day So you saw it I got to play Steve Bowden. Oh my. And he picks Star Trek. I had like 230 million? Yes. And I had, and I did, like I played the modes really good. I had a shit ton of medals. I got to Kobayashi Maru. I mean I was feeling all good about myself. You would feel great against anyone else. ENTERPRISE 1
    13:49
    I got behind, but I actually, I had multiball going, I'm in Hellspells, of course, and I had the 2x going, and it expired right as the cannon got loaded. So I had a 15 million song jackpot, which would have been 30 million, which would have put me a lot closer, but nope, and then I drained it out of that, and that was the end there. I'm trying to think what the hell I picked for the next game. I honestly cannot remember. I know it had to be an old game. I think it was Paragon. Did I pick... really? I would have picked Paragon? I think it was something like that because I remember you guys... and he had a terrible game on, if I remember correctly, and then you guys went over to World Poker Tour. Okay, that sounds good. I guess it was Paragon. Then we went over to World Poker Tour. Well, I'm sure Steve will say he had a terrible game. For me, as usual, I don't know that game. Follow me on Facebook, Twitter, and Google Play and be a sont vag. 39
    15:14
    So yeah, I went into the losers bracket. So we both went to the losers bracket. Yay! So who did you have in the, now I'm going to ask you, now it's going to be going, who did you have in the first round of losers? Now don't tell me who, you know, how finished, but just tell me who you went against first. Um, Zach. Okay, you had Zach. Our own famous, world famous Zach. I had Alberto Santana. Bummer for you. Yeah, it was. But I was up on him 2-1. And? I lost in Medieval and then I lost in Quicksilver. Wait, but you lost in Quicksilver. I know. Just didn't happen right. But I did beat him in Swords of Fury. And what was the next game? Uh, oh, it was Dirty Harry I beat him on. Alright. Alright. Sounds good. I was feeling pretty good about it. No, sorry. He beat me in Dirty Harry. Barely. I beat him in Stargazer. So that's where it's 2-1. I forgive you for not remembering. I mean, it was a whole two days ago. Two days ago. It was long. A lot of things. It was long. So, oh my. So the next round, I play Zach. Everyone's favorite guest Zach. He picks Monopoly. And he destroys Monopoly on ball three. He's on the thing for 15 minutes. I was starting to fall asleep over in the corner. So I get on it. I remember making an insane save somewhere, getting a double danger and then end up having I got in a multiball, got about, I don't know, five jackpots, and I'm thinking like, how the hell am I going to catch, I only get like a million per jackpot. Is there any like supers or anything? You really like the jackpot going through the road. Railroad. Instead of hitting up the ramp, you go into the side saucer, not the upper side saucer, but the left end saucer next to the sign, the electric company sign, that's your two million shot. Oh, all right. Alright, well, as it turns out, it didn't matter. I just, I had a good ball, got tons of jackpots, got a railroad multiball, hit a bunch of shit, but I just, I couldn't catch up to him. I was hitting the wrong stuff or I just wasn't hitting enough stuff.
    17:23
    So then we played, what the hell did we play next? See, I don't even remember. I won whatever it was. I won the next game. Then we played, oh, stupid, Indiana Jones.
    17:39
    Which the usual result there. Yep. Excuse me. Multiball, multiball, multiball, multiball, multiball. No, I never get multiball in that game. I never get a single one. So, lost that. Then, so I'm down 2-1. I tied it up. I don't remember when I played again. Wow. You're just like really, uh... Yeah. And we, then he picked Paragon. Ooh. And he... I picked to go first.
    18:07
    Ooh. I just, what the hell. So I go first, I end up taking the third ball. I get the 4x, I hit the thruster for 5x and it rejects. Love that. And it drains soon after that, of course. He came back and almost caught me and then drained out. Oh wow. So there you go. That was that round. So then you're, I'm out, I'm enjoying the vegetation, I'm walking around and where did you go against next? Next. You're joining the vegetation? Yeah, because I was exhausted by then. And it was only freaking 530. Oh, vegging it. I get it. I was a little slow there. Yeah. So I played Nick Lane. Buffalo Pinball's own Nick Lane. And I lost three games to one. Ooh. Bummer. I got taken to Swords of Fury, of course. Lots of lion manning. So I got beaten at. I'm trying to remember the other game I got beat on. I don't remember. I know I was down 2-0 so I went like Dirty Harry or no I won something. No what am I saying? It was 2-1. I picked Dirty Harry because that's always my go-to game. I got on it and then realized oh shit this is the one with the LEDs in it. Yeah. I had a little trouble seeing. Oh well. Thanks Ryan. Yeah. And Nick got like 500 million. I hadn't done anything on the first two balls. In the third ball I started multiball and the ball it got stuck. It got stuck in the diverter when the diverter fires over so it can go into the uh the gun and it was it must have taken too long because it disengaged and got stuck and i end up with like a ball trapped and a ball stuck up there and i'm in multiball so i know what's going to happen here i call it over it's like please tell me you have the uh high power interlock disabled like nope nope like yeah shit so open up the The coin door and I'll lose the ball. Then it goes right out of multiball. Yeah, out of multiball. So, what is it? I could get a compensation ball if I wanted to end it there. Was that the deal? Yes, or you can end the ball and get a compensation ball. Yeah. I decided to continue just because getting multiball never gets any harder. And the later, what is it, the safe house? The one in the center? Yes. There's actually a multiball one in there if you get down. Yeah. So I figured I'll just keep going with those And something weird happened. I didn't miss the shot I just got all the badges like just in succession boom boom boom boom boom boom right back in a multi ball Low the gun hit the super
    20:50
    Let balls drain As I always do get the balls back got two balls trapped either flipper All the way to the top four. Shoot the right ramp, hit it, get another jackpot and then that was it. Didn't get anymore jackpots, drained out of that, tried to get back into multiball and I couldn't. And I lose in Dirty Harry. That pissed me off, but whatever. That's my go to game, man. So I guess the bros are one ahead, or they're tied. You beat the bros and I lost to the bro. Yes. So then we went all the way to the top four where I lost to the bros and I lost to the bros. And I lost to the bros. So then we went all the way to the top four where... Well before we get to the top four, I have to bring this up. Because this shows how some players are kind of on a different plane. Eric Russell is playing Steve Bowden. They actually played each other three consecutive matches. Yes. They were, this is when they were both, they didn't have a loss yet. So they're tied 2-2 and they're playing Paragon. Eric has the lead, Steve Bowen's player two. He gets up and he makes his comeback. I think he even got like 5x. He got to a point where Eric thought he had it with bonus and he actually had the ball trapped. He shot a shot, missed completely, it bricked, drained. He turns around and says like, lost by 400. Wow. Or like, I mean, hasn't counted the bonus up yet. Counts up the bonus, he lost by 400. Ouch. And he was like, I could have shot anything else and I would have won. Yeah. I'll be thinking about this for 10 years. Yeah, that sucks. So... Then he had a monster game against him on Metallica. Yeah, well let's get to the final four. We had Eric Russell, Steve Bowden, Andy Cushman, and Howard Levine. Yes. Wow, three out of four have been guests. Yes, they have.
    22:50
    Let's see, Howard lost to Andy. Mm-hmm. Then Andy went against Steve. Yep. And lost to Steve. That's a loser's bracket. So now we got one of those deals where it's Steve Bound against Eric Russell again. And Steve had to take two in a row to win. Yeah, he had to win two matches. So he wins the first match, Steve, 3-0. And then the next, the final round, they had this huge game of Metallica, and that's on the, uh, our highlight reel. Give it a watch. You want to see some high-end Metallica play from both players, multiple crank it ups, etc. Give that one a watch. In the end, Steve Bowden and Victorious, he won three games to one with the final game being on stars, of all things. And all the finals was filmed... Before a studio audience. And it was a pain in the ass moving that camera around. Yep, we were both doing it. Moving that and luckily I had brought an ethernet cable with me a longer one because we needed to plug in you have a massive wireless massive droppage on the wireless there so we got off of that
    24:00
    and it stabilized we still had some drops but it was much much better thanks spectrum thanks for moving the cords around bruce yep see the thing is this is also a commercial establishment with customers and i don't want to like you know hey move out of the way i want to Put this cord by ya. Yeah. So, Bruce and me were crawling under the games to run the cable. Mm-hmm. But everything worked good. I got pretty good at finding the right spot. Oh my.
    24:35
    That was that. I'm trying to think if there's anything else from the tournament. Well, Steve took it all. Steve took it all and defended his title, which means almost certainly he will be at the next one. Yes. Because number one, you know he's going to qualify. Number two, he believes in defending the title. He feels an obligation if he is the defending champion. So we don't know where it's going to be next year, of course, but we will talk about it earlier this year than we have before in the past. So hopefully it might be Syracuse. It might be in Howard's. Do it in Howard's. It could be anywhere. I love Howard's because it'd be different. It'd be different. Lots of EMs, older games, stuff you don't normally see. You can play Memory Lane, Stern goodness. And Grand Prix. Grand Prix is there. It's got, he's got like a Sonic, I think it's like Monte Carlo or whatever it's called. Monaco. Monaco, Sonic Monaco. Could be. That's the only way to take down Steve Bowden and not get too many modern games. And he played the old games too, good too. He did. So let's see what we have on here. There was also another tournament this weekend or last weekend. Yes. The Sweet Talker Tournament. The Wicked Piss of Pinball Pit, and Zoe Gr... I don't want to screw up her last name.
    25:56
    Yeah, I'm not saying that because I don't like it. Zoe from the Tilt Through Podcast with Jack Danger and Bowen Kerins. She won, and second place was... The Pinball Princess. Who was like so stressed. She was so worried she was going to play bad and was not going Play well after winning last year. Play better. And she finished second. Against a harder field. Yep. And she hates Nugent. I don't know why. The game. Well, probably the person too. That was also streamed. So if you want to check that out, that's Wicked Pista Pinball Pit on Twitch. You can watch the finals. I believe the whole thing was streamed. Very good time I had by all for the two tournaments. Plus, I heard Martin was in a tournament in Australia. He got second place. But did we even mention that head-to-head guy? Who? Martin? Never heard of him. Well, luckily, we're gonna steal somebody from that head-to-head podcast. We're gonna take Ryan C. Yeah, because I've been told you need Ryan C to have the gold standard. If you steal somebody instead of having a two hour long podcast which is boring, you get Ryan Stee and you'll be a better podcast. Yeah, we'll shorten him down, we'll have like 20 minutes, there'll be the three of us, it'll be great. It'll be great, we'll rock it. Actually, Ryan Stee, I mean I'm on Skype, he just got on. Ooh! I don't know if you noticed that, he is on right now. He is on right now, maybe we should try to get him on. To join the call, he can tell us all about it. That would be interesting, go ahead, send him a little message. Steve Flay, we'll ask him right now, actually, I, it's easier, it's easier. What time is it over there though? It is 5 almost, uh, no it's 6 hours, so it's 3.11. No, it's more than 6 hours, Bruce. No, I'm going by, I'm going by the, uh, let me see what time it is. It's 9.11, Bruce. No, I'm talking, there it is, bonehead. Well, yeah. God, people these days. You just said it was 6 hours. Uh, let me first find Ryan.
    27:59
    Uh... Is he ready? Can I just- Not yet, I'm waiting for him to come back. So, uh, we can talk about Reactor 9. Not one, but two people made the gold standard in getting the reactors. And that was Bowen Kerins. Yep, first. At a location. And then Karl DeAngelo. Congratulations to both. Congratulations. 80th Anniversary Unlocking Listeners to go to ie pinball and check out the stream especially just play it and if you have a high-end stereo system play it on that and crank the sound up and you will want a total nuclear annihilation he breaches reactor 9 you'll get to see what happens I don't want to spoil it but I want to talk about it next week because I saw what happened and it's like it to me it fits with the the whole 80s theme it does I don't I don't want to say the one word that'll give away what happens It's fun. People have talked about it already though. Two other podcasts have. Oh. And we're... Oh yeah. Yeah right. Ours will be out Thursday so fuck it. And uh, the game ends. Kill screen. Love it. Which I think is exactly what I said should happen. Exactly and it did. The only thing though, it should go apeshit and then it should like, like it broke and it should have like the LCD screen, half of it should be garbage like in the Pac-Man kill screen. I agree. And it should have the woman that they have do all the voice, you know, just doing the The call out should say kill screen achieved. Well what happens is after it goes, the next ball comes up, they didn't know what was going to happen and it just plunged automatically and it was dead bumpers and flippers and you could do nothing except for collect your bonus. That was pretty cool too. So yeah, congratulations to both and then actually with Karl, he got a little special message since he was on the beta code. Yeah, the beta code basically says Bowen Kerins, is that you? Is that you? Which is fucking funny as hell. Which is hilarious, yes. So, still, check out his stream. You will see high quality 4K streaming. Yeah, it is incredible. So... Oh! Wait a sec! I'm getting a message through Skype. Okay. And I think we need to add somebody in...
    30:20
    Good day lads. Good day. We have the world famous Ryan Stee. So now that we stole you from the Head to Head Podcast, we can be the gold standard. Gold standard? Fuck yeah! Yes! Yes! But we gotta make it a shorter podcast. Are we live? We are live. If Ian Brown andcos, No, but not better. We're actually going to be the gold standard. The gold standard. Yes, because... I thought Knight was the gold standard Oh no we have who the Twippy winner Can we mention his name on this podcast Yeah now because he is the gold standard He the gold standard So, next week today, with all three of us. So what do you got for here, guys? You've done the news? We've barely started, about 15, 20 minutes ago, so we were talking about Reactor 9. With your TV that you now have in your location. How is it, sir? Uh, yeah, a bit of a funny unboxing experience. Um, it's still pretty fresh, so I'm probably going to be a little bit more negative on it than, um, than if you ask me about it tomorrow, but there's just a little couple of little issues with the Australian ones. I think the voltage difference here is making the pinball machine behave a little bit differently, but working with Spooky to get it all fixed. It's not, it's nothing major, but like, you know how the ball rockets out of that scoop to the right flipper? Just super duper hard. The hold, like voltage, isn't enough it seems. Like it's forcing the flipper down. And I guess usually on a pinball machine that's like an EOS switch adjustment, right? But there's no EOS switches on TNA, so I think it's a voltage or a coding issue. So they're just trying to figure it out now. But, um, besides from that it's pretty good. Some flipper alignment issues, a couple of LEDs out, but there's a bunch of spares they give. So, um, it's fun, man. And like as soon as like we you know as soon as we punch the ball all of that kind of went away it's it's so much better in real life than it is watching on the stream you think you have fun watching on the stream but it is ten times better actually playing it in real life. I'm actually very jealous. Are you? I am. It sounds like you're gonna be enjoying this for the next month. Yeah, yeah, so if you listen to the Head to Head Podcast, I just, you know, gave the reason why my friend's moving and he didn't want to have his pinball machine at his house. So he, you know, and then move it with all the furniture and just be paying more for it. So he dropped off at my house and yeah, I get to have it for a month and then I drop it off to him when he moves into his new house. So free pinball machine, baby. He is a fucking great meat. Well, it's also his first pinball machine and he has no idea how to do anything, so he's like, oh my god, what do you know, like, how do you lift up the channel and how come this is loose and, you know, all the fine little adjustments that you need to do, you know, I was trying to teach him how to do all that stuff. Because you unbox machines, as Ron has experienced with dialed-in, they don't come dialed-in, right, in the factory? Yeah, they're not always dialed in. They're not always dialed in. I've had the full spectrum. I've had games like, I'd say Spider-Man and My ACDC where I didn't have to do anything. Then I had Star Trek where I had to do a bunch of stuff too and dialed in, which I had to do a lot of stuff too, especially in the adjustment category. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, that's just pinball, right? I mean, there's a lot of variables going on, so you've got to get it working. I mean, how it plays at somebody else in the test factory is not how it plays, you know, in your house. And I guess you can't expect people that are kind of getting paid... Are they getting paid minimum wage? I don't know. The people that are testing the pinball machines, it's going to be a pretty monotonous job. Like, you know, turning your machine on, hitting all the switches, playing a couple of balls. You're not going to become OCD like me, you and Bruce are about how the ball has to exactly kind of shoot out of the shoe lane and not hit anything on the way through and smoothly go around. You develop all kinds of OCD when you play a lot of pinball and then own the machines that, you know, I guess the people that are working there, it's just like another piece of equipment like, alright, it works, all the switches are working, let's get it out. Let's box this bitch right up.
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    But I was listening to the Head to Head Podcast today and you guys had me in fucking stitches today. Holy shit. Explain what Google is in Australia for your talking about pinball. What's the question? Sorry, explain what Google is. Well you actually were, you're getting the full Bruce experience here. You're getting Bruce-isms. I have no idea what he just said. And on the Pinhead Dead Podcast, he was asking a new way of, instead of going to random.org, like they did the first time, they actually asked Google, the voice for Google, and she came back and gave them a number. So he asked for a number, 1 through 100, and it came back, and he asked for Marty for 1 through 100. Then he started asking her questions, because she sounded like TNA Girl. Yeah, so Scott Danesi with Total Nuclear Annihilation, he didn't pay a voice actress. He said, well, it's this kind of like robotic, you know, machine voice. So why not just kind of get Google Translate or, you know, Google to kind of say it back to me and I record that and apparently that's legal under the Creative Commons license. I don't know. I don't know the details. So I decided to have a chat with her and she talked back to me and, you know, she gave some good hits. I was trying to teach her all the good call outs. Ron would have been better with that with all of his magnificent call outs from episode 30, I think it was, your best episode yet. And yeah, then I had to chat to her about how to increase our chances of winning those hoodies and she just gave us tips on how to be like Kaneda. Everyone must listen to these guys. And then Pinball Podcast, they're great. And honestly, that section, I actually had to pull over today. I can cut it out for you and you can insert it into... We will right now. Insert it into... Ready, set, insert. Wasn't that fucking great? More editing for Ryan. No more editing, no no no no no. Editing, yes I love it. Listen to the HeadShed Podcast if you want to hear it. Send it to me anyway. I'll convince him, Ryan. Oh Jesus Christ. Hey, we still shit off you, so it's only fair that you do something for us. Fuck yeah! We had a three hour podcast with two good minutes in there. You can take the two good minutes. Fuck yeah! I love you guys' podcast. It rocks. So, what are you doing? It is now for you, what time is it? Tuesday afternoon. It's Tuesday, 1 o'clock. The TNA machine was delivered at 7.30 a.m. and I've done nothing but kind of play and adjust it and try and look for the keys because the keys I don't think I mentioned are also missing so we had to drill out the lock. So yeah, I haven't done any work. I was just about to start my work and I got a little message from you, Bruce. So I'm here talking pinball. There's priorities in life, right? There's a lot of good priorities and you just picked the most important one. So are you guys coming to TPF or not? I am not. Oh come on Bruce. I cannot. Ron is going to be there. I am going to be there. So are we going to have, do you still have that little thing, the face off against the other people? I can't do that without Bruce. I'll give you the exception, you can go against Ryan. Brian Well, okay, we can do that, but if I lose I'll just say it's because it wasn't, you know, right there. It's technicality. It's technicality, so. I can't possibly lose. You can recruit someone. You can recruit, you know, you can recruit a top-ranked player, and I'll recruit a top-ranked player, and... There you go. I'll recruit Greg. He's gonna be there. Ooh, man. He's great. Wapparelli. Greg Balls.
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    Oh man, from Greg to Greg Balls. Well, if you're gonna get a replacement for Tim Balls, you gotta, you know, you gotta have names right, right? Well, he's Darth Balls now, so... Darth Balls, okay.
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    So, TNA, all what it's cracked up to be for you? Well, I haven't played an insane amount of games yet, but it's, as I said, it's one thing to watch it on a stream and think you're gonna like it in a certain way. It's another thing to have it in front of you and be rocking out and it is... everything that people say is true. I can just repeat what everyone's been saying about the machine but it's all true. The machine is insanely fast because it is almost like, you know, two-thirds of a pinball machine because it is hard to get the ball up into, you know, during multiball into the orbit unless you're Bowen Kerins or Karl DeAngelo. I'm And if you don't get the ball up there like the balls just they end up just leaving the party because There's some sideways action So you have to kind of like delay, you know There's no ramps to slow down the ball and scoops where the balls stay for a long time or up a play field so it's hard man, it's a hard game to master and Bowen and Karl definitely made it look way easier I Was kind of like I might not like it because it kind of looks a bit too easy now. No, it's not It still kicks your ass I think the next challenge will be to see if anyone can do it without extra balls. Yeah, well, Scott's also got, have you guys discussed that little countdown timer thing that he... No, not yet. Yeah. So he posted up a video on Instagram, I believe, of the new software that he's testing where... I think it might be a menu option, so I don't think it would be by default, but the temperature of the reactor starts to cool down after a while. So I think, you know, you can't get it to... if you get to 100, I think it'll stay at 100. But if you say you have it at 99 and you need one more spinner hit or reactor hit, after five seconds it'll start to count down, so it makes it even harder to overheat those reactors. Have you guys talked about... have you guys pre-ordered Supreme Pinball yet? Oh, no. It's on our schedules. Let's talk about Supreme Pinball. I had to look up what the hell Supreme is. That's way too yuppie for me. Ron, you're so out of touch, Ron. Yeah. You're so out of touch. Well, it's... I thought everyone was telling me. Okay. It's a, what was it, clothing apparel or like merchandise for young people or something? Yeah. So it was founded in 1994, so I thought it'd be funny, like, you know, who was it founded by? Some dude, and I looked, he was like in his 30s when he founded it, so he wasn't very young at the time. It's just, it's a Spider-Man, what is it, it's a Spider-Man, the pin version. Is it exactly the same or is it just the ramps are the same? It's hard to bring up a picture of Spider-Man Home Edition. What's it officially called? The Pin 2. The Pin 2? I don't know. What do you call it, Bruce? Pin 2. Pin 2. It is the Pinball 2. And they do so many jump cuts and all that, it's hard to see the whole playfield because it's got all the jump cut crap. Like crime. It is the same playfield. Yeah. Oh my God. You didn't think they were going to come up with something new for that, did you? No. When I saw that multiball, that captive ball that you have to kind of hit out and the drop targets, I was like, oh, they added some stuff and they just kind of left the ramps in there. And now I'm looking at the picture and yeah, it is just a total, which makes sense. I was just giving them a bit more credit than they deserve, I guess. But I don't know. I think it looks cool-ish. A presentation of the Sentry disassemblies for United impeders of social I'm thinking $9,500. Really? If they're getting $50 for a brick... What do you mean $50 for a brick? They're actually selling bricks with the label... No, no, no. They're not selling bricks. They sold bricks and they sold out of them. They sold out of bricks. And crowbars. Crowbars. These guys, Ron, they kind of put their... they have fashion, you know, they have clothes, but they also put their name on anything they can put their name on to sell it. Like crowbars, fire extinguishers, helmets... Gucci, Gucci boxes, you know, luggage pieces... Mason jars... Yep. Anything. Okay. And ridiculous pricing. Yeah. Like, the crowbar was like $300, wasn't it? No idea. They sold the bricks for, yeah, about $50. It's just like a red clay brick and it just has stamped on there, Supreme, and people bought it and it sold out. Sold out. Hmm. So, $50. Maybe it's $75 since it'll be a Stern, Spider-Man redo. I'll say $10,000. Okay, I said $9,500, so what are you thinking, Ryan? Well, I'm gonna price as right one of you guys and just go one over and one below in true Jeff Teola style. I'm gonna go $10,001 please. Wow, damn it. There's your winner right there. If we don't tell you that we'll find out. That's a guaranteed win. You've got a very small window there Ron. I at least have $500. Woo! So I know there's a bunch of news that you haven't even talked about, Ryan. What's that? Papa TV returns live this Friday. What is Papa TV? Oh my god! Oh Papa TV! You mean like the tutorials or? No, no, no. They used to actually have broadcasts with plays and you know... They used to have a weekly show where they would just basically stream games from the Papa facility. How many years ago was this? About two or three. Yeah, about two or three. That was before I was consuming pinball content online so... The So it's Friday at 7 p.m. Eastern Time Papa TV returns live During this broadcast will always still be also be conducting a charity auction to support our friends at path of play Path of play supports children with special needs and their families during the Friday stream We're going to play a few games as a pop of collection unveil I can't even see that I turn a Friday stream We're gonna play a few games out of the Papa collection unveil some Pinburgh banks Talk about Pinburgh changes for 2018 and show off our new head-to-head pinball concept.
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    Pinberg banners, I assume the banners they would hang from the rafters, token sets, which actually have an old token set, make your own Pinberg bank, which I found interesting. And win a Pinberg entry before they even go on sale. Yep. I like, let's think of a Pinberg bank. Ryan, do you know what a Pinberg bank is?
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    It's like, yeah, it's a group of pinball machines in sections. Yeah, no, do you know a team? Hey, so there's going to be an EM. One solid state and two DMDs? No, it could be either a solid state or, mostly it's alphanumeric, but sometimes it could be an early DMD and then a later DMD. Oh, so there's just three in the bankers then? No, there's four. Oh, okay. So it's a DM, early solid state, alphanumeric slash early DMD, and then later DMD. Slash LCD, I guess. LCD probably too. So think of what you would want for your top, your four.
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    The games that I dominated most. You want a bank. Okay. The Ryan C. Bank. The Guaranteed Victory Bank.
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    I'm looking at it. Ron, what are you going to pick? I'm trying to get an EM. Doodle Bug. Doodle Bug.
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    You know, I had a huge game on Doodle Bug. I did. I like Doodle Bug. I did. And I do like Doodle Bug. But you... But... I don't think so. I will take the EM hot tip. Okay. That's a very fair one. Ryan, any EMs for you? The EM that I've probably played the most is centigrade 37 because a friend got that recently. I have no idea how to exploit the scores, but I know where the safe shots and the unsafe shots are, so I'll choose that. She's that. Solid state, early. Well how about you Bruce? Me? I'm going to, unfortunately I'm going to pick a game that's not at Pinburgh, but I think it would be great to have in a bank. Stargazer. That's not an EM. No, I already picked my EM. What was your EM? I said Doodle Bug! Oh no, I thought I was, oh so that was your picking. That was my picking. Oh fuck. Jesus Christ, I said it first. I just scratched your ear there. Pick one, Ron. And then you're there. Doodle Bug. I said Doodle Bug. I said yeah, that would be a good one, but I don't want to pick that. I want to pick this. Doodle Bug. Oh, okay. More Bruce Fun. Can't we see edits? No, I'm leaving that in. That's okay. You can decide for yourself what the hell Bruce said there. Early Solid State. I am picking Stargazer. Okay. Let's see. So I'm trying to think of something I play well. And I'm trying to pick something different than what you're picking. What's your favorite movie? Starz. I was thinking of Starz. Or Cheetah. I was thinking of Starz. Oh, Cheetah. Yeah, sure. We'll go with Cheetah. Right. Ryan, early Solace Date? I'm going to show just how much I know about Solace Date. Okay, I've only got one at home, so I'll choose the Sea Slut. Oh, there you go. Sea Witch. You cannot beat Sea Witch at all. Done. So, we now have the Seaslut. I'm going to go with Seaslut. There you go. I'm going to go with Seaslut. See which cannot beat see which at all. Done. So, uh, we now have alphanumeric splash, early DMD. How, okay, what's an early DMD? Like what, what? I would say it's like the 92, 93, 90, I think even 94 goes, 94 even goes, cause I think Guns N' Roses is in that sometimes too. Okay. So, would you like my pick? Since it is my pick? Black Knight 2000. I want the longest pinball. God, yeah, that'll be Paul. That'll be the longest playing... Oh, God, no. But it's for me. For me. Roller games. There you go. Marty would approve. Go for the wall, baby. Go for the wall. I would choose... Creature from the Beckle Gang. Okay. Good pick. All right. Very good pick. And now later, DMD. I'm going to throw you all off, boys. I was looking at one tonight. High Roller Casino. Oh, God, that again. Yeah, baby. How's that throw us off? You've already said you love that game. No, but in a bank. In Pinburgh. So imagine my bank. I played that in a bank in Pinburgh. I know, but with all my great picks, it'd be like the game, it'd be like the hour and a half long bank. Maybe two hours. That's true. Let's see, I would pick ACDC. This is where I could pick like 10 or 20 different ones that I think I'm generally better than my friends at these games. But I'll probably choose The Hobbit simply because so many people hate it that I think... Well, like you guys have said that you hate it, but it's more like you don't know the rules. You just hate the way it shoots, so you haven't bothered to learn the rules. Yeah, I hate the way it shoots, yeah. Yeah, so I think I have a... because I understand the rules, that's a front. I've got a massive advantage on that game compared to other people. So we're going to ask people on our Facebook page, what would be your perfect Papa Bank for yourself? Pinberg Bank. Sorry, Papa. I love how we both corrected him simultaneously. That was great. Papa. What is Papa? It is Papa TV. Oh, stop. Stop. It's Pinberg Bank. No one calls it Papa Bank. Yeah, you're always right. I'm always right. Okay. You're always right. Yeah, baby. So I'll put that on our Facebook and we'll be ready to go. So you guys getting Keith Elwin on as soon as that new machine is released by him or? No, we're not going to talk about Stern. I've already offered to have Keith have a final edit if he would like. What are you going to talk about then? Isn't Stern his life now? No. It's his life, come on. But he's the one. He's the one there's so much more to talk about with tournaments, his favorite games.
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    We want to get inside the mind of the one. We want to ask him how about his kangaroo sack coin purse that he got from Martin. He's like, I chucked it in the bin five minutes later. It's the garbage at INDISC. Which at INDISC? I mean I have design questions I want to ask him. Are you allowed to ask that since that's kind of what he's doing at Stern? No. But don't ask him prior designs. No, I'm thinking like no. I want to ask, I want to get in the head of a designer. Like we've just acquired this theme. What things, some of the first things you're thinking of? How many buttons to have? Well that too. No. And I already have my dream theme which will never happen but like if you had this like what would be on the playfield? What would you feel has to be on the playfield? Yeah. It's bloody hard. I think people, the pinball market is quite fickle as well with what they like and what they don't like and things kind of go in waves like you were talking about how you were listening to us talk to Eric Meunier about the, you know, the multiplies and things like that I'm not sure if you've heard of Pinball Machine, but it's a game that you just phone out because it's just, you know, when things get too complicated, you just don't, you know, you don't want to learn it because your brain can only hold so much information. And maybe that's why so many competitive pinball players have gravitated towards TNA because, you know, you understand the rules pretty quickly. So are we going to see a mixed bag of pinball machines moving forward or people are going to concentrate now on making things a little bit more simpler? Do they make them simple like, you know, Aerosmith or something that people complain that it's not deep enough? I don't know, it's hard to please the market, right? Everyone's uh... You can't please anybody. I mean, people will complain regardless. But since you mentioned Eric and... how did you say his last name? Mignier. Okay, there we go. See, finally had someone say it because I can never say it. They're going to be doing, and that's Jersey Jack, they're going to be doing a stream this Wednesday. Good segue. Yes, yes. See, he's fitting right in. He's ready to make us the gold standard, I'll tell ya. Yes, we are gold, baby. This is the first string, right? The first string directly from a manufacturer? Yes. Yeah, I guess if you buy the actual manufacturer, not an outside, yeah. The interesting thing to me is they're doing it Wednesday at 3pm. When people are working. When people are... Okay, so you had the same thought I did. I'm like, well, they think people are going to be sitting at work watching Twitch, which is probably blocked wherever they work because, you know, I know it's blocked where I work. You can't watch streaming stuff. You can unblock it. You work in IT. Actually, I'm the guy who does the filter. So, yes, I could unblock it.
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    But no, we need that bandwidth for business, Bruce. You're in the business of making you happy while you're at work. Perfect. Exactly. I don't get that. They should have done it at least two hours later. Even when they do the Stern ones, they're usually like at 5 or 6 Central. At least usually 5 Central. So at least in that time zone in Eastern, they're out of work by then. Because I don't... I don't know. The replay will be after that. Yeah, but the thing is, it's Twitch, so it's meant to be interactive. It's like you have the designer and the programmers there. You can pick their brain and ask them questions, but that's only going to be the live broadcast, so I don't know. Okay, do you want me to ask some questions for you, Ron, on your behalf? I'll get up early because it'll be at like 7am for me here. I can give you questions, you know, about the million multipliers and all the possibilities. Yeah, that's the thing, like, I would never ask questions because it's like I just want to... Well, then what are you complaining about? I know a lot of people would want to ask questions. I'm just saying, I'm not complaining. It's good that they're doing this. I think it's cool that they're gonna have the programmer and the designer right there. I need to play it more. I want to play it again. I enjoy playing it at Expo. Yeah, and I'll enjoy playing in Texas. I hope they get it on a good circuit. So we actually have power
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    like at Expo where they had the flippers cranked up to full power and they were still weak. Oh wow. Yeah, it depends, when you're at Expo, it depends what part of the hall you're in, it seems, like how much power you get, because when they had the game in the seminar room, it was fine. But when they moved it into the hall, it just, it was underpowered. How about Texas? Does Texas have the same issue? I've never had issues in Texas playing any game as far as power is concerned. So hopefully not. That's right, you've never been to Texas. I've never hardly been anywhere in the US. I mean, when I went last time, I went to Chicago and then I came back home. I didn't do anything. Well, you're doing like a whole tour of the US, aren't you? You're going to, let's see, Vegas first? Yeah, I stuffed up my dates and I was meant to start kind of in Canada and I was going to drive down and visit you guys. But I've got a wedding. So the day after the wedding, I'm jumping on a plane early in the morning and I'm, I'm back up and I'm spending like five nights in Vegas which I've been told is way too much. Way too long. Oh my god, you're gonna be ready to kill somebody. And then only three days in New York so I think I should have like swapped the dates around but I'm not sure if I can, I bought one of those El Chico, you know, you can't modify your ticket tickets so I'm not sure if I can change it without getting heavily penalized. Flying into Texas and then after Texas New York and then flying to Toronto mainly to see the Niagara Falls but I might say hi to Jeff Chialis on the way as well. I'm only spending a day and a half or two days in Toronto so bit of a fail on my planning part but I'm just horrible at planning trips. Phil, man, you could have played Dialed In. I had it all ready for you. I was making sure it was ready to go. Everything was tuned in because I thought Ryan Seay was going to play it and now... Oh well. Next time. Fail. Well, there'll be Dialed Ins there at the show, I'm sure. Ah, yeah. I'll play you on that. That'll be a fair game, right? There you go. And I'm Dialed In. And I'm Dialed In. You never know. There's a lot of high-end shit at the tournament. I have this tournament. I have this tournament at this show. Are you playing in the tournament at all? Because I know it was pre-registered, so... I got an email from Colin McAlpine saying, don't hold your breath. You're like 50 plus on the list. Okay. Well, you'll be 49 because I dropped out today. Woohoo! Oh, wow. Damn. Take that, Bruce. No. I didn't really know. I thought, you know, I've seen before at different expos and people talk about that, you know, people kind of don't get to experience the expo because they're stuck in the tournament. But I didn't realize that the format of this tournament kind of lets you just kind of put in your 20 games, I think it is, and then, you know, whenever you want. And then if you play the finals, you play the finals. If you don't, you don't. So I don't think it's going to take up too much time. But yeah, I'm not going to be on that list. It's maxed out, I think. Plus I believe it uses the whole the Karl DeAngelo system and the queue you could queue yourself off and go other places Before you're off, but I thought I heard they were gonna have a classics bank, too Yep, he said you can the classic banks everyone so but you hate older games Yeah, I don't I don't know enough them It's so hard you guys take it for granted because you've been in pinball for so long that all that information is stored in your head I'm still, I haven't gone through all of the 90s games yet. I've still got a couple to knock off the list. I haven't owned all of them yet. So, and it's not like I can just go somewhere local or jump on a plane and play a collection of flattery games in Banning or, that doesn't exist in Australia. So if I want to play all these games, how am I going to play them? Well, you maybe need to make your own place like I did and suffer like I did. I mean, and drive yourself batty because you don't get much sleep. Yes, you'll love it. Hey, Ty, man. Even one of the places that I had my circus vault here, when I took it out from there, he mentioned that he's going to kind of close down the place. And it wasn't like your set up, Bruce, where he opened up a bar. It was kind of an existing pub and he just kind of like themed the upstairs and he spent And that's where my favorite kind of like monthly tournament was being held. So it's hard. It's hard work. I think what you're doing Bruce and I'm sure you're Winning and spending money is harder than probably keeping the machines up and running
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    Yeah Sunday we had a little issue with the the compressor on our beer cooler took a dump So there I am running out and getting 20 bags of ice to keep the cooler cold. Wow. Yeah, and the ice maker and everything else. We threw all of our ice in the ice maker and it kept the cooler running until the next, you know, kept it cold enough until the next day. That was my funnest. You're very brave, Bruce, for doing that. That's up to you. Brave is not the word I come to mind. I call it crazy yeah So but uh I give you the tour of Texas Don worry I let you know what games are good and which ones suck Yeah I just share the exact same opinion as you right Yeah, of course. That's how it works. Roadshow sucks! Batman's the best! Batman's the worst! I mean, Batman's the best!
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    Oh, I just got that. I'll tell you which games I think suck and I'll give you reasons but you can decide for yourself. Okay. So, is there anything you want to plug besides your great show, sir? I didn't know how long. Yes. Stay on as long as you want. You can tell us when you want to eject. I want to be the judge in that thing or if you got someone else for that. Oh, he wants the judge? Oh, good my. We can then go right to face off. Wow. Wow! Can you rig it though so it's like the like a D&D era? Yeah we're gonna have to do that because otherwise I mean he's probably never even played a Strange Science or any of your shit games that he covers. Hey, I've had Strange Science, okay? Oh! Game fucking sucks. Whoa, okay we definitely can't use that. It's just multiball, it's just 5x in multiball and that's it so if you're not in multiball the whole game is useless there. I know Strange Science. Well why don't we, no why don't we do their game? Hey, what? Oh, I don't think. There you go. Let's go land. The top 100. Do you want me to generate some numbers for you? Generate some numbers for us. Well, what do we have to do here? We have to find a pin side top 100. Here we go. Top 100. That's right at the top. Okay. Ready? Who's getting the first number? Hey Google, how are you going? Bruce, you get the first number. Alright.
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    96. Oh! Yes! 96! Oh, that's good! Who done it? Okay. Alright, and Ron, please generate a number from 1 to 100 for me.
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    77. Johnny Mnemonic. I think I read another one. It's perfect because then, so now Ron, in the slam 100 off, you get to go one minute. Slam 100 off? I thought it was like 30 seconds. No, it's one minute you get to talk about your thing and then you get a rebuttal for 30 seconds after the other person. Since I know how to steal, good new thing, you know. What are we supposed to do again? You're supposed to build up the verse. Yeah, so I'll give you 30 seconds. Ron, you talk about how cool Johnny Mnemonic is. And then it's Bruce's turn. He talks about how cool Whodunit is. And then after the first 30 seconds are up for each of you, you have another 30 seconds, Ron, John Yumonic, a flow fest, just a totally hooked up play field with this major flow and loops and a cool jacuzzi strike, the payback time thing going on. The awesome glove that is extremely reliable on location and that great spinner rule set where it's just, it's, it's lit for like unbelievable amounts of points. Great artwork and it's got Keanu Reeves in it.
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    Wow, exactly 30 seconds. Perfect. Okay, Bruce, you ready? Yep. Let's go. Whodunit. Barry Oursler's finest game ever. Great flow, slot machine on there. You get to pick whodunit, great theme, rockin' game, ramps, pop bumpers, a phone! You get a phone also! Not no friggin' dialed in phone. This is a real phone. And great theme, great sounds, rockin' all the way. You still have five seconds, Bruce. Gold standard. That should win it already. I should just win that right now automatically. You said it's a gold standard so it must be true, right? It must be. I'm ready for the bottle. Okay, ready, set, go. Okay, whodunit. With a ridiculous rule set that no one understands. No one knows how to pick any of the suspects. It's convoluted. Nobody gets it. Nobody gets it unless someone tells them what to do. Humongous center ramp. That's unmissable. Extremely long ball times. Just I mentioned the convoluted rule set. Substandard art package. I'm trying to think of something else. That's it. Okay. You ready, Bruce? Yes, sir. Slamming. Rebuttal time. Here we go. Hand sucked. Always broken. I don't need a crazy Bob freaking shot in a freaking non-Pat Lawler game. Go scratch it! The only thing good about that game is Yuzuka. That's it. Flow fest my ass. It's just too fast sometimes. Suck it! I'm the gold standard. I love Kaneda! You know what the title of this episode is going to be? Oh yes. The gold standard. So now we'll have to put up a poll for this and see and go by what we say is the best. Who done it? Well, you guys definitely know more about the games than we do. Martin's, you know, he said Tony Mike is really fast and it has counted, he's really said for an entire minute. I know, it was bad, but it was funny. Hey, I like this stealing bitch stuff. Who else can we steal from? This is good. I like that. What can we steal from Parsons now? Come on, Jeff. What can we steal from Jeff Parsons? Top five. Yeah. We just steal everyone else's stuff. That's our whole game. What's next? Okay, here we go. Top five podcasts out there for pinball. No, no, don't even. Don't. No, go for it! Stop the paint!
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    Kaneda, Kaneda, Kaneda, Kaneda, Kaneda! According to Kitsune, this is human at top five. He's the only one out there, done! Hey, let's do a top five, alright? Okay. Favorite call-outs, because we've done this before and it was like absolutely hilarious, okay? So I'm going to go Ron, Bruce, Ron, Bruce, Ron. So you're going to do number five, Ron, and then Bruce will do number four, three, two, one. You ready? So good or bad or even sarcastic, we can even do that. Anything. I just want to hear awesome call outs. So Ron, top five pinball call outs, number five. Go for it. Super jackpot! That was number five. Bruce, number four. Jackpot! Is that 24? Yes it is. Of course it is. Chloe. She's great. Yeah, she's great. Oh yeah. Terrible. Terrible. Alright, number three, run. Goal! There you go, nice. Look out sucker. Nice. Look out jackpot, baby! It's oh baby! Oh baby! That could have been Monster Bash, Monster Bash with Super Jackpot Baby. Super Jackpot Baby! Alright Ron, bring it home, I hope you save one for number one. Just picture playing No Fear and you've hit the loop about 20 times.
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    And that's what you'll hear. I've never done that. I've got a couple of combos, but how many times in a row do you have to hit it for him to just scream like that? Let's put it this way. I've seen Keith Elwin play it once where he just kept hitting the loop continuously for two or three minutes and literally all you hear is skulls just screaming.
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    It's like the Sylvester Stallone call out in Demo Mania. I can't wait to see Richie call outs. I mean, I can't wait if there is actually an original game from him. I hope it's him doing the call outs and he just has absolute free reign over saying anything he wants. And it's just the most hardcore version. Like, ACDC, how it has that adjustment where he's like, you suck, and you can adjust that in the menu to turn that off. I just wanted to just absolutely... There's a F-bomb in ACDC. Yes there is. The only reason I know that is because in Pinball Browser you can see all the sound clips. There's two with swearing. There's the, HOLY SHIT YOU SHOOK ME! That's one of them. And the other one is, UH OH! FUCK UP! And when did that happen? I don't know. It's in Pinball Browser. The clip's in there so I don't know when that happens but it's in there. I've never heard it. Have you heard, there's a weird one, There's a weird one, my mate has an INDISC 500 and when we were at Expo he saw Dennis Norman there and he walked up to him and he was like, ah, you know, what's that deal about that call out that goes on, like I can never reproduce it but I've heard it twice where he, I can't remember where it was, I'm going to stuff this bit up, but it's something like you dickheads or something like that and Dennis Norman was like, what? I didn't put that in there, he had like no idea and so he walked away and then my friend Googled it and found like an RGP posted about it and he was like, ah, I have no idea, I didn't even know that was in there. Have you guys ever heard of some weird call out in Indy 500? Not Indy but I've heard the one for Whitewater once in a blue moon when it says, get the extra ball and once in a while it says, you wiener? You wiener. Once in like every like 100 you'll hear that. My favorite ACDC call out is one me and Bruce could appreciate, the You Are Champion one. You are champion. Which is from Black Knight 2000. Let's go. Radio ♥ The girl says, I really enjoy killing these Martians. Martians, yeah, that's Martian multiball. Yeah. When you get like 30 or 20 or 30 in a, you know, good clip, you say, I really love killing these Martians in a multiball. There's so many good clips in that game. Yeah, there is. Or when you shoot three out of the four Martians and the one that still left is like, oh no, no. Or if you just missed him, he goes, ha, you know, he jumps up and then bounces. Love it. God, I'm gonna do great coding with that. There's a mystery award that I think I've played a couple of like I've probably played at least 500 games in my on my attack from Mars and it's only ever happened once where I hit the um scoop to give you the mystery awards and it's that um it's like a hurry up. Oh for the Martians? Yeah but not all of them just one of them. Yes you have to hit the Martian yes. Yeah I'm not sure if it's the ROM that I'm on or something it's not a home ROM or anything I don't think there is one for 8M but Yeah there is. There is a home ROM. Okay. But it's not on the home ROM it's also on the regular ROM it is there. So that is, you hit the one martian that pops up. So that's gotta be, knowing what you like about callouts, you like really like strong callouts, energetic callouts, so how do you, what do you think of like the TNA callouts then? Yeah, I think the game is so exciting that it doesn't need it. I wish there was a pinball browser or something, because I know the pinball browser now supports spooky games, So you can modify the code I believe, but because this is a P-Rock system, it's locked and I've asked Scott for access really early on before I was going to possibly order and he said for warranty reasons like they can't give you access to it. I'm guessing it's something to do with, you know, their deal with P-Rock that they can't let everyone know how to unlock the codes and then kind of mess around with it and then maybe it bricks the system or maybe they just don't want people messing around with the I just got a message from my friend, sorry, to go back to what I was saying, because I just messaged him and asked him what the call out was. And I think it was something like, go for the turbo, you wanker. Classic. Wait, does anybody else drive? Apparently that is. Well, there's Cameron Silver, who... Yes, there you go. But he joined around Scared Stiff, so what year was Indy, 500? 95. Yeah, it was around the same time. Wow. Yeah, okay, maybe. Yeah, that was right at the tail end of, uh, right before WPC 95. Because that still has, yeah, that has artwork in the, um, the display. In the back, in the display. Yeah. Yep. Here we go. I've Googled it and it's, um, shoot the blinking light, you wanker. Nice. That, that exists somewhere in the firmware and it did die. Nice. Anyway. Don't forget we have World Poker Tour now that we realize that now says oh my he's on the clock. It says oh my oh okay. See fun stuff with oh my. Oh my. That was a nice little discussion of call outs. I love call outs. It's the best part of pinball. People that play, that's why I love, sorry to cut you off Ron, I love watching tournament players now. Now I'm enjoying a lot more than normal but to watch someone play pinball without sound, like there's a massive disconnect for me because I can't, I can feel excited by, I have to fill in the blanks of like what the machine is doing. Like when Martin was at INDISC and he was, you know, he's on his last ball and he had to beat that guy at Metallica, you know, I really wish I could hear the music, you know, the crank it up, you know, when you get the jackpots but you have to kind of fill in those blanks and that's also good about like Karl DeAngelo's Stream. You can't hear the clack clack clacking of the pinball machine. You can just pretty much got direct audio feed and you can really kind of get involved with the stream. You are dialed in.
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    Eric Meunier, right? That says, uh, we've recorded a problem with your phone. Please return it to our store or something like that. I didn't know that. That's Eric Meunier. The guy's name that you can't pronounce. There you go. Woohoo! So who can we steal from Pinball Profile now? Oh God. How many people are we going to steal from? Okay. Everyone. We're going for the steal episode. Hey Bubba, where are you Bubba? Bubba get off me! Get off me Bubba! Be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher and Google Play. I'm Ron Hallett. Hey, for Jeff's show, you know what we should do? We should do a little segment and just edit it so that it seems like when you ask It's a really hard and difficult question. The person answers immediately. Like, so what are you doing today? Oh, I'm doing this really good. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's edited perfectly so there's no time wasted in between any conversation. That's the only way you can copy Jeff Gilles because he's so diverse. Well, then we already do that because I pretty much do that already. Yeah. I hate just dead air. Dead air means bored listeners to me. Okay. See? See what we did right there? That was Dead Air. Dead Air, we love it. No, we don't. Dead Air is evil. Okay, so who else can we steal from? That Flippin' Podcast. What can we do for that Flippin' Podcast? And the Buffalo guys, we gotta get on Twitch now. Well, to be this Flippin' Podcast, we can just have a three and a half hour podcast. That will rip them off. Just. To rip off Buffalo... Check it on Twitch and broadcast live. We gotta get Twitch and broadcast live and take questions. Let's review a game and give it a score out of ten. Okay, let's do that. That's right, they have different categories though, I don't remember what's there at the top of my head. Uh, zero to two, burn it. Well no, but they have different categories of the, you know, sound and whatever, art or whatever. That's what it's about for pinball, they have a thing. They have a thing. They do. Wow, this is the all rip off episode. It is gonna be the all rip off. So after all this time trying to be original, and now we're just gonna rip everyone off. We're gonna rip everyone off for the first time. All my work down the toilet. Thanks, Bruce. How about- IN THE SHITTER! The episode should be called, Ripping Off is the New Gold Standard. It is the new gold standard. Yeah. Have you ripped off Nate yet? Five fast thoughts? Ooh. Well, we did it nicely because we were off for like a couple weeks. Yeah, so we did actually. We copied him that way. Okay, so the key, the scoring key they do for the first eight. Three to five, an expensive nightlight, six to eight, solid game, and nine to ten, buy it. So what game are we going to review? Let's go back to the top 100 and pick a game. Should I generate a random number? Google, Google, we need to generate this. Please generate a number for me from 1 to 100. Okay. It's definitely not going to last. 69. Oh, hi. No way. It's not fucking out of the pinball, doesn't it? You're not kidding me, butthead. Oh, God. 69 is Doctor Who, a game that I know Ryan C knows. Music ...
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    ... You know, not that bad, not that great, you know, I think it could be improved, definitely. What about you guys? Uh, I'll go with seven, what Bruce said. I'll go with eight, simply because there's a lot of moving stuff in the background, which is just like extra effort on their behalf. So I'll give an eight. Lights? Do we have to judge it based off like all the games that were out at that time? Yeah, I would. I mean, you can't judge it against like dialed in or TNA or something. It's like, oh, it doesn't even have color changing RGB lights. It sucks. You can't really do that for the time. Okay. I'd give that about a seven. Yeah. You wouldn't look at it at the time and say, wow, the light show on this is incredible. There's a flasher underneath, kind of like along that loop, the return, and I changed it to an LED flasher by mistake and it lights up the entire playfield. It flashes when the repair target's lit or something, it just blinds you. But that wasn't in there originally, so I'll give it a 7 I guess. It's nothing special but nothing offensive. Toys? This is a hard one because... You know, I gotta give it a 9. I'll give it a 9 too. It's got the time expander. That thing alone is insane. Except when you gotta work on it. Exactly. That's how you know it's cool. Yeah, exactly. I actually didn't know how it was working and I just kind of left it there and I didn't want to take it apart. And then when one of the optos went out, I had to take the entire thing apart. There was some dodgy soldering on there that someone did. And it's amazing how the thing works, especially when it drops down and back up to reset the targets, the dark targets. So like using the magnets, I would put it up there, like possibly second only, maybe I'm not thinking about the machines, but second only to Medieval Madness in like an all-in-one mech. You know, you think about Medieval Madness, you know, the lock shot, the upper playfield I'm going to give it a 9 out of 10 because it's the only one there, I guess, and there isn't anything else. Well, don't get the doubt. If you get a prototype, the Dalek head moving also is another big question. So if you're going for that. What else do we have? Rules. Rules. I do love the Sonic Boom. I do love the who order, you know, if you go, you know, to WHO.
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    But it's just, you know, maybe a 7.5 for me on the rules. It's a one-dimensional game. I'll give it another 7. Too many video modes.
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    Well, it is kind of the same video mode, just different levels of, yeah. Yeah, it's the game that I really thought I was just going to have for a couple of weeks and get rid of it. But I guess it's because I haven't mastered it yet. I'm sure I'm just kind of like one game away from saying, ah, is that all there is? I kind of got to the end. Like I still haven't... Who's the emperor, the, you know, the Doveross or something? I still haven't defeated him properly, which I know is probably super easy, but I don't know. It's one of the only games that has character choice at the start, kind of what they're doing these days, but that was back in the 90s. So that was... Is there any other games that did that, like D&D games in the 90s? We could choose perks before you start? Not really. I mean, it's very Game of Thrones-esque in that they each have different powers or make different things easier. And how many games have a multiplier that you build up and then it slowly dials down? Is that something unique as well for the 90s? Oh yeah, definitely. So you've got to give it some points for uniqueness. Yeah, but it's still one dimensional. Tournament players, all they do is just Sonic Boom, Ramp, Ramp, Loop, Loop, Loop. Yeah. My level of play isn't that great, so I'll give it a 7 out of 10 as well. Okay. So overall, 0 to 2 Burn It. I don't know what... Is there anything else? Artwork, artwork, you know, the artwork. What do you think of the artwork? Nothing memorable. Well, there's that girl on the playfield that looks like Mrs. Doubtfire. It's like a grandma. It's like the, how many pins are there with a grandma on the playfields? Well, the Golden Girls will be it, so I cannot wait for that. That's true. So, it's gotta be a plus one on that scale if you're gonna count that. You're gonna have to plus one of it to match the Golden Girl level. I'll give it a six. Yeah, it's 6.5 for me. Ron? Six. I guess that's it. I think we get zero to two burn it, three to five expensive nightlight, six to eight solid game or a nine to ten buy it.
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    I will give it a seven. I'll get a 7.25. I'm going to be a little higher than Ron. Well, I had it on my offer and it's divided by five and I got 7.4. There you go. So we give it a solid game. And thank you for listening to Buffalo Pinball.
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    Thank you to our Patreon subscribers. Oh, who else can we take off now? Come on. That's everyone, isn't it? No? Who else is there? Hey, you gotta get in the car and start driving and do the Canadian Pinball Podcast. Pick up a game. We can do the Eclectus Gamers Podcast and do a bracket elimination. No, that would take weeks. I think we're done. I think we've ripped off enough people. I agree. You guys have, not me. I'm just a guest. You are actually part of the head to head so you're just following the tradition. I'm joking, I'm joking. You guys do really well. You guys kick ass. It's been surprising. We said it before but we listened to you guys and wanted to do something similar for the Australian community but looking at our numbers now, there's more people in the US listening to us than in Australia so we feel like we still need to service the Australian community. But um, we kind of uh, we have to be more of a global podcast which is why I have to fill up you guys more and more. So do you get listeners that complain like, all you talk about is these comps in Australia, we don't care. I always want more people to complain so at least we know what people want because uh, yeah, not too much negative feedback but I don't know if people like super long podcasts but we, you know, if people don't tell us then we just have to keep on doing what we like doing I guess. We get plenty of negative feedback. I love it. It's all Bruce's fault, right? It is actually. Pretty much, yeah, actually. I've got to say, okay, I've mentioned this to Bruce. The first time you guys had Zach on, I didn't find him quite funny because I didn't know if he was a guy doing a bit or if that was really his kind of like the way he talks and everything. The second time he was on, I laughed so much at all of his, everything he said was hilarious. Like when he's bagging Spider-Man, And you guys had no comeback. And he did the exact same thing that I did when he was watching Star Trek and he said, uh, I was like, oh wow, I was watching this and the Beastie Boys came on. Like, you know, what's this? I looked it up. Oh, Beastie Boys. And I was like, ah, no, it's a really good song and that's it. And I did the exact same thing because I was like, oh man, this song rocks. This is the Beastie Boys. How come I don't listen to this stuff? And I started listening to the other stuff and I was like, no, I'm with you, Zach. Thanks, Zach. And then did you hear Zach on Jeff Teal's latest one? Yes, and apparently some of that was kind of... Some of it was a little kind of... Just a little bit. Let's not go there, because... No, we're not going there, but it was very funny, let's just say. Are we going to introduce him now as like, this is Zach, the most hated man in podcasting. Yes. You've got to be careful, he might get his own podcast, right? Well, we're trying... I want him to stream more so people can just like bash him. Ron, why don't you talk to people when you stream? Every time I jump on your stream, I try and insult you, but you just play pinball. How dare you just play pinball on a pinball stream? Uh, well, you know, my idea is to create the character. I think I talked about this before, the streamer character. Yes? He would definitely talk to the audience, but it might not be in the most pleasant way. Who knows? Have you done that yet? Because I've been wanting you to do the, uh... What did you say? You're going to do Steve Irwin, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was thinking more the Doctor Disrespect type character for pinball. He's like the greatest pinball player you've never heard of. He's been playing since the 70s. There's an Australian guy that jumps on Marty's stream every once in a while that does that, and he calls himself the Great Wankerini, and he's like a failed... Yeah, I'm not sure if you've seen it. He's a failed magician, so he rocks up in like full costume with like a magic hat, a cape, and a draw on the mustache, and he just cracks horrible jokes and does horrible magic tricks while he plays on the ice cream. Yeah. The great Flankerini. I think when we do our first Twitch feed, that's what we'll have to do, you know, we'll have to dress up in our own characters. Well, my character, he's gonna be, uh, he won the 1978 Playboy launch party. At the Playboy Mansion, because, you know, that's how they rolled back in the 70s, man. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. And he's going to do karaoke. He's going to have pinball karaoke. Yeah, we're going to have karaoke segments. He's going to play the drums, showing he's multi-talented. Okay. That's my idea. But if I do that, there will be, we won't be able to do weekly podcasts, because that's going to take a lot of time to do this game. Yikes. It's a lot of effort for a small amount of people, isn't it? It is. Like, it's crazy. It's a lot of effort for a small amount of people, isn't it? It is. Like, it's crazy. It's crazy. Yikes. It's a lot of effort for a small amount of people, isn't it? It is. It's crazy to see like a female playing like World of Warcraft or something and having like 30,000 people watching it. Dr Disrespect got, for his comeback stream, he had 390 plus thousand people watching at one point. Wow. And you're like, you know, the POPL World Championships have what, a couple hundred? Yeah. You know, it's like, damn, damn, we got a long way to go. We got a long way to go. So we're gonna do mail next, but we now give you permission, Ryan, to say what the title of the mail segment is. Mail. Bold. Bag. Let's empty that bitch, motherfuckers. Yeah!
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    Man, I gotta go to Australia outside. I gotta go to Australia. I have to too, man. You guys are too much fucking fun. Now, the first email is actually, um, did we even go through the news ad, whatever? It's already fallen off the list. Absolutely. Yeah. Just go to skinpinball.com. I got an email. I got an email from Never Beef. Yes. To tell us that the New York City Pinball Championships is capping at 140 players and they've already reached that. In two days they blew it. They were at like 80 or 90 and they went right to 140. So I congratulated Mr. Sexton because he's one of the organizers and I hope to God they can get the games. Yeah that's gonna be hard. Luckily Alan I think is gonna be donating some games with Levy so hopefully it will all work out. Yeah. So we got, this is from Scott Larson, it's called pleasing people. And he liked your expression, you can't please anyone, so guess what, don't try. The truth. So Bruce, aren't you married? Hashtag winning. Meanwhile you guys are great and make my commutes suck less Slam Tilt on Thanks Scott Larson Thank you Scott You very cool You got Robert Byers again Airport Pinball. Just listened to the Pinball Princess letter about pinball and airports. Reminded me of my dad and I going to the Indianapolis airport in the 80s. I don't know, does that mean the 1980s? Probably the 80s, yeah, probably the 80s. They had to play pinball. They had 10 to 15 games set up all the time. The only issue was they had built a self in the game room and put the machine on it without the legs so you couldn't nudge. Hmm. A shelf maybe. Oh, a shelf. Okay, they built a shelf in the game room. That makes sense. Thank you. And put the machine on it. I didn't read it wrong though. It says self. Without the legs so you couldn't nudge. I'm sure the owners did it to minimize game damage at the time, not understanding the importance of that part of the game. On to episode 62, player 165. Everyone's now signing off. Yeah, with the numbers. We have one from Tim who says don't read this, so we're gonna read... I'm just kidding. We have Harry Jackson. Hey guys! First off, congratulations to Tim, I mean Darth Balls, on his Stern gig. I imagine the interview went something like the Stern rep asking, So what changes would you bring to the Stern code? And Tim pulling up a chair and launching into one of his great Tim rants. I'm really happy to see Stern bringing in some new blood. And I know having Tim on code is going to be a big help for players everywhere. Next, I'm with Bruce on a strategy on stars for shooting the left spinner versus the right. What? See, I am right, baby! Yeah, watch our YouTube stream and you can watch Bruce not do that at all when he got his high score. I did a little bit. I find that I can rip the left spinner with much more power than the right one on my stars, but maybe I need to rebuild the flippers to get more oomph. I like to hit these two red targets, light the spinner for 1,000 a spin, and then let it rip versus shooting for all those risky stars. Oh, okay. Finally, with today's news of the Supreme Pinball Machine, and he also had no idea what Supreme was before today, and honestly, I thought it was a Coca-Cola spin-off flavor. What brand new contract games would you guys like to see in the future? I think Bruce should call up Gary to make a pinball lifter the pin home edition game. State Lawson Herring. It can lift itself. I like that. It's a good gimmick. Just to jump in quickly, you know like when sometimes you click on Facebook on like a company's page and you see like, ah shit, there's like 20 of my friends that like this something, like this place or this. I clicked on Supreme and it's just George Gomez. Oh my! So that kind of proves that like people in pinball, right, because I've got lots of people, you know, Facebook friends online, no one knows who it is. It's definitely not for us, it's for different people. Yeah, totally agree. So a spin-off flavor. Let's think. I don't know, kind of. Let's think. I don't know, branded contract games. Hey, the Slam Tilt Podcast game. The Golden Grots. You put your coin in and it just says actually. Or it says actually when you hit the pop-upers or it just gives random Bruce-isms. Five spinners. Five spinners in the game. Five Spitters in the Gate. Have you guys listened to the Deeproot interview with the Eclectic Gamers Podcast? I have not yet, but Deeproot kills me. He alluded, I mean if they ever bring out a game, he alluded to software tools being available so that people can kind of fix the rules themselves without needing to wait for a code update, so... I think this guy is a tool. I really do think he is a fucking tool in this whole thing. You mean after all the manufacturers specifically don't watch you screwing with the code and hosing the game and then they have, you know, voiding the warranty? I'd love to see what that's going to be. Like, you can change the code, you can finish the code yourself, but if you modify it, we will not cover the game. That's not the biggest one, Ron. The biggest one was that the QC for them would be, because this guy doesn't like dimples, right? He's got a thing against dimples. You can hit the playfields with a sledgehammer and it won't leave a mark and that's their QC on the way out. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it. Is it made out of like a different mid-tunston steel playfield? I don't... How the hell do you... that's just stupid. It's a lot of words but, you know, actually executing it is a separate thing, right? Actually? I don't know why they want to bail John Popaduk out either. I don't... He's the best designer ever. I guess. I mean, they're literally trying to just... they paid off... paid off? That's a bad word. They bought out Zombietti. Oh, no, you said it right the first time. They paid out Zombietti, you know, to get his artwork for all these games. Did you say how many games there are? Yeah, eleven. Eleven? Eleven games. And then they had the programmer for Magic Girl, who never got compensated, so he was compensated. って money to do you think I wanted to mention the two other programmers because there was three of them hired by Stern. It was Rick, what's with these last names I can't pronounce? Rick Nyeagilly, Rick N bringing nearly two decades worth of experiences as a software engineer for Midway and EA. Very impressive. Cool. And Brett Rubin brings over a decade of experience as a software engineer in the video game industry We're working in tools development, graphical user interface design, and workflow streaming. I think we're gonna upgrade the graphics on the menus. The menu systems. Yup. At least they can reach pin 2000 levels. They're 18 years behind, well 19 years, but let's see if they can get up there on Williams level 19 years ago. Yup. So, mailball bag, we still got somebody, I got Steve Flake. He said, great show as usual guys, been listening since the very beginning. I voted for you in the twippies even though you told me not to. Well, thank you. He goes, I have a beef with Bruce getting another stars when I've been searching for one for two years. Are all the old Sterns in New York? Sell me your extra stars, Bruce. Which is not mine, it's actually I'm just repairing JTs. Congratulations on Tim Balls on getting hired at Stern. Tell him to get work on that Ghostbusters code. I vote for Elvis movies after Godzilla, which I do like that. I do like the idea of Elvis movies. There's gonna be some really shitty movies, dude. Oh yeah, well, I think some of the Godzilla movies... There's a lot of them, isn't there? I think there's like nine or ten. Oh, okay. Just pumping them out. I'm looking at this top 100 page, which I went further down the line. Some people on Pinside are fucking morons with their game picks. Oh god. Okay, is this Bruce Rant time? This is gonna be a roost rant time. Okay, what, why, rant about what? Okay. What do you think is wrong? 201 game out of the top 100 so you can go further down the line. Wait, wait, wait, wait. How can it be out of the top 100 if it's 201? That makes no sense. They have, wait, that's what they, under the top 100 pinballs you can keep on going and it's more numbers. I'm just telling you what Pinside does so it makes no sense to me either. 201, big game. Guess what's right after it? Bone Busters. Oh god. You people are fucking morons. Lethal Weapons 210, Ron. Oh man. I might have to rant. Lethal Weapon 3 is the 210th best game? Yes. Lethal Weapon 3 possibly the greatest Data East game ever made? Wait, wait, get better Ron. 222, RoboCop. Oh man, wait a minute, Robocop is only marginally better than the pinball circus? Yes. Is that fucked up or what? You have to read the reviews, they're the funniest ones of all time. Let's see what they say about Robocop. Police force is better than Robocop? Police force? I know. You know, are these fucking people on crack? Star Wars trilogy? I know. Oh man. See look at this. Okay, this is about big game. Sorry, I just don't rate this. Are this machine in any area not my type of game? Three out of ten. How many games do you think he put on it before he gave it a three out of ten? Well, at least he gave it three and not one. Oh my god, these people are morons. Oh man, I just... really? Just... that's Harry Williams, dude! That's some neat jungle theme art on the playfield and the backglass is decent, But it's towards the bottom of my favorite widebodies with Space Invaders coming last. Well at least that guy got one thing right. Yeah, Space Invaders is a turd. I agree. Honestly it wanted to seem like it wanted to be a Paragon, just couldn't make the cut. Are you fucking nuts? It's not Paragon, it's not, it doesn't play remotely like Paragon. Oh. The shots were too long from either of the stack flippers on either side. That's the best part about the game. There wasn't enough targets for space available. Huh? There's nine fucking targets on there! Literally, it has four flippers and each flipper is specifically designed to hit certain shots. Because it was designed by a genius named Harry Williams. What is with these people? I can't really say it was awful, but I walked away after a few games and never looked back. I'd pass on this one unless I found it dirt cheap and wouldn't bother playing it if there were other games around. I just give you the old big L on the old fucking forehead. Oh, man. Enough. Enough. Don't. Don't. Is there one for Cheetah? Oh, let's see. Hold on. If you really want me to go off... I do. Let's see. Hold on. Where is Cheetah in the list? See what you started here, Ryan? You got the top 100. Now you got us looking at that. Oh, my God. These fucking morons. Except our listeners on Pinside. You're great. We're, we're... Star Geek... Star Geek deserves 103. You would think that would be higher because most people on Pinside have a hard-on for that game. I know. I'm still looking. I don't see yet... Oh, that's not good. If you're that far down and you're not seeing Cheetah. Not yet. Oh, God. Can you even search for it? No. I found it. You wouldn't? This game has received six approved ratings, nine more approved ratings are needed to rank it. It's not even ranked. It's not even fucking ranked. It's not ranked. It is literally the greatest wide body ever, and it is not ranked. Now, our listeners, we are going to ask you guys to rate Cheetah. Please rate Cheetah as the masterpiece that it is. When you actually rate Mario Andretti before Cheetah... Oh, oh my god. Stack is rated 50 times, but Cheat has been ranked 6th. Let me guess, when I'm looking at the top 10, I would say they're either all Sterns or Bally Williams classics from the 90s. Of course they are. Let's see, Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars, Twilight Zone, Monster Bash, Ryan Zierer, yeah I love all these games, Lord of the Rings, Metallica, Dialed In, The Addams Family, ACDC and Indiana Jones is 10. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? I'm playing pinball and I'm reliving my youth. Hey man, big, big, big trouble in Little Chi- total nuclear annihilation is 17th. I'm a marketing guy and I can't get hired! Nobody's ever hired me! I loved it. Okay, last mail here. Because Robert Byers sent another one, but you're going to wait until next week. You get one. Yeah. And if no one else sends us any email, we'll at least have one for next week. Yes, we will. Let's see. This is from Derek. We got a lot of people. Go ahead, go ahead, do that one and I'll do the next one. Derek has asked, what did you guys think of the first season of Star Trek Discovery? The ending to the first season was incredible. I thought the show struggled slightly during the first half, but after the second half was very strong. I haven't seen it.
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    Have you seen it, Ryan? No. I hardly watch TV anymore. Yeah, I don't watch TV at all. I know that's the new Star Trek show and I know it was on web only, I believe. What, like CBS streaming or something like that? So that's, that's something I would see.
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    I used to watch so many TV shows and then you get so invested in them so you don't want to stop watching, like Walking Dead, and then you're just seven seasons in and you're just like, wow, like I haven't enjoyed this for the last three seasons. I just feel like if I stop watching now, I'm gonna waste all that time. Yeah. I just, everyone's saying, ah, you gotta watch this, you gotta watch this, and I'm like, nah, I'm watching nothing. I don't want to feel like I have to watch anything, so I don't watch anything. I'll stick with Game of Thrones and Westworld was pretty good. I enjoyed the first season of Westworld. Okay, here we go. I like Westworld. Westworld's really good. Okay, here we go, Ron. Back to that top 100. Oh, you're still on that? I thought we had this one. Oh no, you're going to get pissed about this one. This is the most crazy episode you guys have done. It's over. This is going to be the best. I might do a non-edit episode too, just to really make it as raw as possible. Yes. Alien's number 51, Ron. Alien. The clunk fest that doesn't ever work. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. World Cup Soccer's 54. Oooh. Excuse me? Did that hit you, Ron? Excuse me! What was Alien again? Fifty... Fifty-one. So Alien is a better game than World Cup Soccer? Yes. No. I totally fucking agree. No, it's not. World Cup Soccer has this thing called fun, and it has this thing called features that work.
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    Okay, let's make, if, okay. If World Cup Soccer was alien, the goalie would just intermittently stop moving, or you would hit him and he would just fall off of the target.
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    Okay, Ron. You can't really complain about it if you're not also voting, right? You can laugh at it, but if you're not trying to produce the figures... Okay, which is better? Quicksilver or Medusa? Quicksilver takes the steaming shit on Medusa. Well, not exactly Medusa. 68 to 70, Medusa wins. At least they're close. At least Quicksilver's up there. Yeah, exactly, it's the highest third. But that's because it's rare. What's the difference between a steaming shit and a normal shit? It just came out of his fucking bowels. It just came out and it's really just more rancid than usual. Oh no, why do I ask that question? You're gonna get an answer from us. I have a problem with this one. The Big Lebowski is rated 37. What the fuck? For what the 10 that exists? Come on! Have you played one of those, Ryan? Yeah, I laughed at the swear words and then kind of walked off. The best thing you could probably do was win the callouts, like shut the fuck up running. That was the hard pinball machine for me. Embryon's better than Royal Rumble. WWF. Bullshit. No. No. Embryon is one of the suckier of the wide body games. Wait, wait. Slugfest beats Royal Rumble. Slugfest? Yes. You mean the pitching bat? Yes. That's a... No! That's not even in the same category. That's stupid. Why is that even in there? Exactly. I don't get that. Pitch and bats aren't pinball machines, right? No. No, they're not. Do you guys feel weird when people are reporting about the zombie all-stars or whatever? Well, I like pitch and bats. I like bats. I like that they're not a bot machine, but yeah. But it's not a pinball machine. I like video games. I like Pac-Man. But I don't know. Starz is 152. 152. Yeah. There's 151 games better than Starz. Yes. Including Break Shot, and Class of 1812. Class of 1812. And Black Hole. Black Hole. And Baywatch, and Spirit. There's so many great games above stars. And you know stars takes a big steaming pile of shit over all of them. I know. It muck sprays. That's what an animal like you know he like wags his tail and this shit just spreads all over the place. That's what stars does to all those other games. Bruce you've gotten, you've gotten Ron to go nasty. I know I love it. So let me, let me put these, we emptied out the sack. Yes, we did. So we'll put these in the archive section. We'll save Robert Byer's second email for next week in case we don't get any. So at least we'll have one to read. Maybe we will. But don't forget, people on pin side, vote, vote, vote. Vote for good games. Please, just get some of these games. Save Cheetah from non-rated status. That's just wrong. That is actually stupid. That hurts me. Well, you know why that's actually cool? It can work to your advantage because it's unrated. Once it gets enough ratings, it can enter into the top one hundred out of nowhere. People are like, what is that? How come it's ranked seventh? Cheetah? What is this game? Okay, hold on, don't vote for it yet until I get a cheetah. Yeah, I'll vote for it. I was thinking, like, wait a minute, this is the problem. Holy shit, I need to get a cheetah. They say it's good. You don't have that problem, Ron. You're good. Those are some of those posts I never understand where it's like, please tell me what game I should buy. If you're not into um pinball, like the guy who bought my circus Voltaire, he literally is just newly into pinball and he just kind of like looked at the top 100 of this like okay I'll try and find this this that and that and in like two or three months this guy has bought uh like over a hundred thousand dollars of that one machine. Damn. So he's the perfect guy to buy my machine. Oh my god really? Wow. So he's got money. He's got money.
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    That's a trillion dollars though so that's like a thousand dollars there. Oh man, oh good lord. You know I think we actually got through everything here. I think we did too. Wow. I almost don't want to end it. I love having Ryan Seah. I do too. Good to meet you.
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    How many more do I need to get to pinball status? Uh, nine more. Or no, eight more. Ryan's, Ryan's see balls. See balls? You got steamy balls. No, it's, it's the- Kangaroo nutsack. There you go, kangaroo nutsack. Yes. Bruce, if you don't, if you don't come to Texas, I'm not giving you, I'm not giving you a nutsack. You better give me my nutsack. Well, how am I going to give it to you if you're not there? You give it to Ron, and I'll put it on my face. Good lord. Good Lord! Good Lord! I'm not carrying a nut sack for you, Bruce. Sorry. You're carrying a nut sack so I can put it on my face.
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    Bruce, you have definitely dived under the shark today. Oh, fuck yeah! At least I wasn't beaten like I was from Ron on our video. Did he whack you off, did he? He beat me with the fucking shark. I beat you with the shark.
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    This has been an incredible show. I just like to say, uh, thanks to Ryan C and can't wait to see you in Texas, man. Yes. We'll give you the tour. Thanks for, um, plugging us. Oh my. Appreciate all the people that you've sent our way. We've got, you know, even though we've, you know, we follow the same format, we've got completely different opinions, I guess, on things and that's what makes all the podcasts fun to listen to. I love it. I love it, yes. I'm a fan of all the old pinball machines and we're just, you know, just faking our way along. Well, I told you guys today that Ryan, you're more like me and Martin is definitely like Ron. Yeah, but you guys don't like Demolition Man, the movie. I don't understand that. That movie's awesome. It is.
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    It's just, I don't not like it. It's just, I watched it as a kid and just like everything as a kid, Everything is awesome. Like... Like Big Trouble in Little China. That's an awesome movie. Every 90s action movie was amazing. It had everything you wanted. It had cheesy lines, it had that sweet 90s montage, you know, complete with the music, had the action hero, had a bit of TNA, not the Annihilation style. And then I kind of watched it again as an adult and it was just, I don't know, Arnold Schwarzenegger is 20 times better than Cesar Stallone. I'm sorry. Well, I will say one thing about Demolition Man. Like, the beginning of the movie, they blow up the warehouse, which is impre- you know, they use an actual building, they blow it up. Fan Hoties
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    So, does it have anything rules-wise or is it literally just a couple of swear words? Uh, you cut off there, but do you mean the R-rated ROM? Yeah. Yeah, the R-rated ROM is more than a... it's like... there's like five or six more actual sound ROMs. There's a bunch more quotes from the movie. But rules-wise it's exactly the same. Rules-wise it's the same. Yes. Yep. I like the rule set. You know what I really like that I kind of only noticed the other day? When you have the light quick freeze lit in the right lane, right? When you hit a shot that is going to hit that quick freezal light straight away, just in case the ball jumps over the switch, right? Did you know, have you noticed that? So the, you know, the machine knows if you hit a ramp or you've hit the, um, that scoop, the upper scoop up the middle. It knows that the ball's going to return to your right flipper, so it lights the quick freeze straight away. Because I know there's some machines that'll like rely on that and the ball would will come so fast that'll kind of jump over or maybe your switch is stuck, but in this case it doesn't matter. So I think a bit of coding genius by Ted Espy there. Just a little tiny thing that I appreciate. Ted Espy's of Dialed In fame? Of Dialed In fame. He's a great guy. So you met him? I met him and he was really, really nice and when I had dialed in at my house I was emailing him absolutely non-stop with like just crazy OCD things that I noticed that were like little tiny bugs here and there and about 80% of me was like yeah that's not really a bug that's just OCD but 20% of my actually found a couple of bugs and was kind of bay tasting some some Fuma for him and then he kind of like was doing this kind of big update which still hasn't been released yet and he sent it to me and I don't have the machine I'm sorry, I can't help you out anymore. I like being able to talk to the people that make the stuff. I mean, Scott just sent me some new firmware to test on this machine since it has some issues with power. And how cool is that? You can talk to the person who designed your pinball machine and get that interaction. Yeah, it is weird. It's like when I'm at Expo and there's like Josh Garf, he's like, oh, hi Ron. You know, you want to play some Star Wars? Oh sure, you know, it's just, it's kinda, kinda weird. And I don't know, I don't know about what you said Bruce, I think Ryan's more like me. But the OCD thing, I could totally see that. Okay, I'm more like you, Ron, when you play pinball, you do weird stuff that I do as well. And I'm like, ah, I thought it was only me that does that, the putting your leg up and moving from side to side and then, you know, when animations pop up on the screen, you pointed it with your fist and like, ju ju ju ju ju. You know, stuff like that. I do that as well when no one's watching and I think you get into the groove of machines like I do.
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    So you ready to pay some bills, Bruce? Really? We're having so much fun, man. I've actually been doing work while I've been talking to you guys. There you go, you're doing better. I love my job. www.pinballlifter.com, come check us out at Allentown, we are selling lifters, tilters, helpers, come check us out, use your brain not your back. www.thesilverballsaloon.com, come check us out in East Rochester, New York, this Saturday, or this Sunday we have the Stern Army Tournament, $6 to get in, play some pinball, get some other people, win some good prizes. What do we got now? We got Pinball Star Joe from Joe Newhart. You got your Spooky, your Jersey Jack, your American Pinball and your Chicago Gaming contacts. Check him out. And also Mike Pupo, Flipper Fidelity and selling Stern pinball machines and accessories. Check out Mike. He's got the best sound systems for your pinball machines. You guys have so many sponsors. You must be rich. We have no sponsors. We just do it because we like these people. Ah, you guys are so cool. Hey, I know what we can do. Ron, I have the perfect idea. We can get our first sponsor and we can give them their first sponsor. What did you just say? What? We can get our first sponsor and we can give head to head their first sponsor. Okay. We'll sponsor them and they can sponsor us. Well, we pretty much, Bruce, we pretty much sponsor, we mention all the freaking podcasts in every show. Yes, we do, including the gold standard from now on will be always mentioned. The gold standard. Be sure to listen to Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, the true gold standard of podcasting. Also listen to our other podcast friends like Pinball Profile. You can go ahead, you know, they're only... Okay, listen to Pinball Profile with Jeff Teolis. Listen to the Head to Head Podcast featuring Martin and Ryan Slee. Australian doing an Australian accent. I'm doing Raymond Davidson doing an Australian accent. He does it the best. Ryan Slee. Also, This Weapon Podcast, The Players Pinball Podcast, Bro Do You Even Podcast. Collectic Gamers Podcast, the Canadian Pinball Podcast, Fun with Bonus, Steve Bowden, hi. Hi Steve, hi Zach. Hi Zach, our most popular guest ever. Yes, I think we've now bumped his status up. Don't forget, watch him on Twitch. Watch him, make comments, that will be at twitch.tv slash ZACAJ. And then we can check our Twitch feed out. On Twitch feed, just search for Slanttail Podcast on Twitch, we have the entire Upstate Championships, including the Stars Charity Tournament, and then we have the Final Four finals, so watch the goodness. Also, our YouTube channel, where I put some highlights for those who don't want to watch the five hours, and I don't blame you, the five hours of coverage, we have the highlight reel, We are the slam-tilt podcast. I'd like to thank the impromptu guest, Ryan C. What happened? Did someone drop out? I didn't even know it was happening. Just joined the podcast. Join the podcast. No, nobody did. We just saw you jump online and we're like, hey, let's go try to get Ryan. Yeah, I saw Ryan see us online like, oh, I said, hey Bruce, why don't you ask if he's available? Boom. That was it. That was literally me jumping on my computer midday to start doing work. So glad that you have Skype set up in your startup and didn't change the default settings, which I did because I don't have it stocked up. We are the Slamtel Podcast. This has been episode 78. Godzilla! Godzilla! Godzilla! Click a vibrous. Goodbye, Martin Robbins. Music