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Episode 4 Drew Wants a Willy!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Apr 10, 2019
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TL;DR

Pinball rookie Eric explores first machine purchase with hosts Drew and Ian discussing replay value, toys, and themed recommendations.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 4 features a special guest, Eric, a pinball rookie exploring his first machine purchase. The hosts discuss Eric's research into games with good replay value and exciting toys, his top candidates (Medieval Madness, Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, Wizard of Oz), and broader advice on new pinball ownership. The episode includes extensive banter about themed preferences vs. gameplay depth, LCD screens vs. DMD displays, and a humorous subplot about Drew's promised tattoo from Chris Franchi.

Key Claims

  • Replay value is the most important factor when buying a pinball machine for home ownership

    high confidence · Eric explicitly states this as his primary learning from research; hosts Ian and Drew agree.

  • Machines from the 1980s-90s were designed for location/short-play times and have shallower rule sets than modern games

    high confidence · Ian discusses his Black Rose experience as an example of repetitive gameplay with limited depth.

  • Medieval Madness remains in active production by Chicago Gaming Company

    high confidence · Drew states 'They're still making those Medieval Madnesses. Sure. CGC is still making those.'

  • Lord of the Rings is a deep, complex game with an unusually large playfield that would cost ~$12,000 if Stern released it today

    medium confidence · Drew speculates on pricing and complexity in modern market context.

  • Color DMD modifications significantly improve the visual experience compared to standard red DMD displays

    high confidence · Drew contrasts standard red DMD (which he finds visually harsh) with Color DMD upgrades on his Black Rose and Metallica machines.

  • Jersey Jack Pinball machines feature large LCD screens integrated into gameplay

    high confidence · Eric mentions Jersey Jack's LCD screens; multiple games (Hobbit, Wizard of Oz, Lord of the Rings) are referenced as JJP products with visual displays.

  • Wizard of Oz (JJP) is the recommended choice for Eric over The Hobbit because appeal to broader audiences (especially women)

    medium confidence · Drew strongly advocates for Wizard of Oz, stating 'Women find that...' (quote cuts off but intent is clear).

  • Theme preference vs. gameplay depth is a point of disagreement between Ian (theme-focused) and Drew (gameplay-focused)

    high confidence · Drew explicitly states: 'Ian, as we've talked about, is always really big on themes. And Eric and I... Trump's theme, to some degree.'

Notable Quotes

  • “Well, the things I learned the most I learned from this is buy something that has a lot of good replay value. If it's not something that you're going to enjoy playing for a long period of time, you're spending a lot of money on, in my opinion, it's not worth the dare i say investment of something like this so replay value is key”

    Eric @ ~mid-episode — Core thesis of Eric's machine selection criteria; validated by both hosts.

  • “people who say they don't have the room for them, people don't have money for them. everyone always says i don't have room for them it's it's a bullshit statement it's always about the money they are expensive and they're also sorry just had to add my two cents there and so i'll put one in my fucking dining room i don't give a shit”

    Ian @ early in Eric's quest discussion — Pushback on common objections to machine ownership; reveals Ian's philosophy on prioritization.

  • “because that was like your first major box purchase correct yes yes yes i bought an ironman then i sold it then i bought a metallica um yeah i i just the game's just better it to me it just was the game”

    Drew @ ~mid-episode, LCD/DMD discussion — Drew's personal machine ownership journey and preference for gameplay over visual upgrades.

  • “Medieval Madness, no matter how many times you knock down that castle. Oh, my God. You just want to do it again. It's just awesome. It's a gratifying feeling.”

    Eric @ ~mid-episode toy discussion — Captures why Medieval Madness is beloved for engaging mechanical feedback.

  • “it's either it's one of those games where you either love it or hate it so you would have to my recommendation for that one is you would have to shoot that one first”

    Ian (about The Hobbit) @ ~later episode — Practical advice on testing divisive games before purchase.

  • “so if stern sold that pin today they would literally be charging twelve thousand dollars for it”

    Drew (about Lord of the Rings) @ ~late episode — Market positioning insight; reflects inflation and feature expectations in modern pinball pricing.

Entities

EricpersonDrewpersonIanpersonChris FranchipersonZach MinneypersonMedieval Madnessgame

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Eric, a gamer with no prior pinball experience, is being actively recruited into the hobby by hosts Drew and Ian. Wife's support is key enabler. Represents growth in community via peer influence.

    high · Eric's wife suggested pinball purchase as viable hobby investment; hosts are guiding first-time buyer decision-making on air.

  • ?

    product_strategy: Jersey Jack Pinball machines (Hobbit, Wizard of Oz, Lord of the Rings) dominating the 'smart first purchase' conversation. Theme diversity + LCD technology positioning JJP as aspirational entry point.

    high · Three of Eric's four finalists are JJP titles; discussion of LCD as modern standard expectation.

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Emerging tension in community philosophy: gameplay depth (replay value, rule complexity) vs. aesthetic/thematic appeal. Hosts represent these poles (Drew/gameplay, Ian/theme).

    high · Drew: 'Trump's theme, to some degree, because if you can keep hitting play...Metallica, I love it. You know, I'm not a huge Monster fan of the band, but that has nothing to do with anything.' vs. Ian's theme focus.

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Mechanical toys (castle knockdown in Medieval Madness, catapult in Houdini, bash toys) are primary gameplay differentiators and sources of sustained engagement. Visual/tactile gratification drives replay value.

    high · Extended discussion of toys as 'exciting' features; Medieval Madness knockdown described as 'most gratifying' mechanic.

  • ?

    technology_signal: Community transitioning from standard red DMD (described as visually harsh) to Color DMD (aftermarket) to integrated LCD screens (modern JJP standard). Color DMD positioned as transformative mod.

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome to the 4 Man's Pinball Podcast. This is episode number 4. The only pinball podcast that will never give you up, never going to let you down, never going to run around and desert you. Also the only podcast that will give you a happy ending.
0:24
I'm here. What? Nope. Keep going, man. We're still recording. We're rolling. We have not been canceled yet. I am Drew, and with me always is... Ian, how are you guys doing today?
0:38
Today we have... Drew, what do we have? We have a special guest today. We do. In the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast studio in South Milwaukee, Wisconsin, we have a very special guest. Friend of the show. Friend of us. His name is Eric. Eric, introduce yourself. Hey, guys. I'm Eric and I know absolutely nothing about pinball But I love this show This is true He's a pinball rookie right Drew? Yeah that's a good way to describe him We've been friends with him a long time He has been listening to us He thinks that what we're doing is worthwhile Even though we don't and our wives don't But Eric thank you so much for all your support Yeah man thank you And Eric is kind of dipping his toes in the pinball waters, so to speak. And we will be getting to that very shortly. But before we do that, as customary to our awesome little podcast family here, what are you drinking today, Ian? Today I am drinking, let me get that bottle.
1:43
Today it is bamboo, bamboo rum. I don't know, it was a cool bottle. But we're doing rum and coke today, folks. Cherry coke.
1:52

“Women find that g...”

Drew @ final moments (cuts off) — Incomplete statement suggesting gender appeal as factor in Wizard of Oz recommendation.

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high · Drew contrasts 'devil's dick red' DMD with Color DMD on his machines; discusses LCD adoption as future standard.

  • $

    market_signal: Drew speculates Lord of the Rings would command ~$12k if Stern released it today. Suggests inflation in modern premium machine pricing and/or nostalgia premium for complex legacy games.

    medium · Drew: 'if stern sold that pin today they would literally be charging twelve thousand dollars for it.'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Medieval Madness (Gottlieb 1997) remains in production via Chicago Gaming Company. Suggests successful reissue strategy or sustained demand for classic licensed titles.

    medium · Drew confirms CGC still producing Medieval Madness; Eric identifies it as first choice.

  • ?

    operational_signal: Ian advises testing divisive games (Hobbit described as 'love it or hate it') before committing to purchase. Midwest Gaming Classes cited as upcoming venue for trial play.

    high · Ian: 'it's one of those games where you either love it or hate it so you would have to...you would have to shoot that one first.'

  • ?

    content_signal: Hosts reference 'podcast roundup' discussions with other shows (Head to Head mentioned implicitly; Zach Minney cited as doing vault edition analysis). Indicates active cross-pollination of pinball podcast content.

    medium · Drew: 'what did we podcast round up real quick who was talking about lord of the rings vault edition...Zach Benny...Head to head, they were talking about Ghostbusters.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Hosts frequent drop references to industry figures (Chris Franchi for artwork customization). Suggests tight-knit community where individual talents are known and valued across manufacturer lines.

    medium · Extended discussion of Chris Franchi as artist; proposal to commission custom art package on Lord of the Rings; calls for 'Franchi Watch' as community in-joke.

    • just because I like it sweet. How about you, Drew? Let me guess. Kessler's Diet Coke and a lime. I switched it up a little bit today. Kessler's, it is. That's it. No, no, no. A little Sprite, a little ice with the Kessler's. We're good to go. How about you, Eric? What are you drinking? I'm doing a regular gin and tonic. Ooh, that's classy. That's a classy drink. It's a beautiful weather outside for a beautiful drink. He's almost too classy to be down here, but he's like us so no he's not my alcoholic grandmother always said gin and marty if you're listening i'm sorry in advance but my alcoholic grandmother always said gin is for alcoholics jess told me never to drink gin i don't know man i like gin good but i can't drink it all the time this is a true story uh shortly after i met ian and started spending time with him yes his grandmother was living with his parents and their recycling bin was literally full to the brim with empty gin and vodka bottles no no gin she hates gin she's for alcoholics they do the martinis right all martinis she's a 70 75 year old woman at the time now she's a little bit older but yeah just that woman's pickled man she's never gonna die and she how old is she now today she's fucking old i don't know she's in it she's she's almost 90 right she's in her 80s oh man i love you grandma oh grammy she's a huge fan of the show she is she is she's never listened i don't think she has a computer guys i don't know does she know what a podcast is no no no but she still knows what fleischmann's box yes and that's all oh my god okay anyways moving on so what are we doing let's move it on what are we doing with eric today eric eric eric well you know what we're gonna we're gonna do a little request a little quest you know we're gonna we're gonna find out A quest. Wow, we're getting fancy here. Well, Eric's going to talk about his quest in a bit here, and we're going to kind of go over, you know, full pause of new pinball ownership. Oh, that's good. Some of the pitfalls, some of the things to look out for, because I've owned a few. Drew, you've owned a few. And so we're going to go through that. But first, let's talk about some news here, Drew, shall we? Oh, we got lots of news this week. yeah we're we'll start off let's start fresh here let's start fresh we won't go into manufacturers just yet let's just do a recap from last week where i got drunk and i said i would get a tattoo if chris franchi would be my friend on facebook why don't you kind of go over the um the bits of that story just did i got drunk and i said okay that's it too okay he tried for a while to get Chris Franchi to be his friend. Three weeks. I think it was more like three months, but he can say three weeks. Well, no. To be honest, it was two weeks, and then I was so embarrassed, I canceled my friend request.
    4:53
    And then I was like, no, no, I'm a podcaster now. I have some respect here. No, I don't. But I then tried to friend him again, and it didn't go well. That's why we did Franchi Watch for three weeks. Well, you did Franchi Watch. I got Franchi to be my friend on my first try. See, that was bullshit because what Drew did was what we call in the industry collusion. This whole thing is collusion. Collusion? Collusion. Word of the day. I sent him a message, and I said, hey, Chris. Collusion. Do you want to be friends? And he said, wow, you're awesome, and Ian's not. So sure, click. And then what did you say? you said ian is gonna get a tattoo if you friend him i did yeah i did i know that's you ruined franchi watch 2019 so no i get i get a friend request from franchi then he likes our our group page and then he uh he messaged me and said tattoo your ass yes yes because i mistakenly told him that you were going to get a tattoo on your ass. Mistakenly. Yeah. What happened to the ass thing? Well, I... Drew's all about the ass play, kids. When we were talking about it, as many of our podcasts, well, many, three podcasts we've done before, we always drink while we do these things. That isn't like a shtick or whatever. We're drinking. So he set out this... Crap, what's the word I'm looking for?
    6:36
    To Franchi. Give me the word. I wasn't listening. A friend request? No, challenge. A shout-out? Challenge. There you go. That's the right. Sorry. Now it's coming back. You need to work on your vocabulary. I do. You didn't know the word challenge. I know. Challenge accepted.
    6:58
    He sent out this challenge to Chris, and for whatever reason, I thought he said he was going to get a tattoo on his ass. because I've known Ian for 15 years and I thought that's where he'd go first. He'd be like, yep, I'm going to tattoo a creature from the Black Lagoon artwork from Franchi on my ass. It wasn't his ass. It was just, where are you going to put it? I'm slinging above my knee. Okay. Does your wife know about this yet? Not at all. No, and she will not know until we have sex.
    7:27
    I'm good for the next four years. But we really need a rim shot on this show for sure. That's what she said. But I know your wife. She won't really care, will she?
    7:41
    You know what? She surprises me every day with the shit she cares about. It's not consistent. I told my wife about this, who has also known Ian for a very long time, and she just, as she often does, just says, you guys are fucking idiots. That was the end of that conversation. Now he has done it. Has he responded about giving you actual his artwork for your tattoo? That's the thing. I think Franchi's a stand-up guy. I don't think he actually wants me to go through with this. So he has not sent me any artwork. And now I'm in that awkward phase to where I just pick some. Do I go to a tattoo shop and just say, I want some creatures? No, no, no. I was thinking of a creature from the Black Lagoon playing the pinball. Hang on. A creature from the Black Lagoon. Just above my name. I'm not going to name drop, but Chris Franchi and I go way back. So what I'm going to do. 15 minutes. What I'm going to do is I'm going to message Chris. And Chris, if you're listening now, this is Drew. I'm going to. Your lifelong friend.
    8:39
    I am going to ask you to take a little time out of your busy schedule. I'll tell you what. Just do a doodle, okay? It doesn't, because he promised to just do Chris Franchi art on his knee. So do a cartoonish, kind of goofy looking creature from the back lagoon, maybe stick figure and we'll put it on on ian's knee how's that doodle would be even cooler that would be cool and a neat little like napkin doodle that would be awesome right and then you can oh yeah you could frame the actual napkin that would be awesome yeah i'd feel strong about that okay what do you think eric i think it's a great idea you dick i thought you were my friend more collusion collusion fucking yeah drew got drunk and messaged everyone about it so whatever we'll play the game i don't care sure so yeah i got a few tattoos you got a free yeah a few tattoos eric's got a tattoo yeah chris we're not afraid of the needle no we all got hepatitis a yeah it's all good okay move on moving on as we have you know we do that a lot in the show we go on and on and on it's fine fucking move on move on nobody wants to hear this no i listen to this in my car and i'm just like he's the one i am the one And I'm like, what are we doing here? Jesus. All right. Speaking of which, hey, man, 200 unique downloads. We broke the 200 mark. We did. We did all three. Fist bump. Hey, not bad for three really bad episodes. Three not quite really good episodes. They're really bad. Yeah, you're right. They're both the same. But we're not going to stop, kids. So keep tuning in. Yep. Every week. We're committed now. We're in it to win it. I have a full bar still. We're not leaving this gig until it's gone. All right. So now we really are moving on. Moving on. Eric's quest for pinball. What do we got here for that?
    10:32
    Eric's quest. Yeah, man. What's the news here, man? Why don't you? All right. So now from what I know of Eric, and I've known Eric since high school, and Eric is a big-time gamer. So he loves his gamers, video games. and because he's been hanging out with us two knuckleheads drew and i we decided well fuck it you know i think he's we're rubbing off on him a little bit in the in the best way possible and that's pinball everyone knows that pinball is fucking cool we still get new pinball machines which is awesome compared to every other retro hobby in the world um so here we go eric what do you got for me bro so i i'm buying a new house with my wife and we have it's always a good start That was a good start for a divorce.
    11:21
    And we're going to get some extra money from the house we're selling. And I'm telling her, you know, we have this extra money we can use. And she's like, well, you and Ian and Drew keep talking about pinball. Maybe you guys can – maybe you want to save up some money for a pinball machine. And I was like, wait, really? She's a keeper, man. You married her, right? Yeah. Lacked and loaded, guys. Very cool.
    11:49
    She's going to have about 100 new friend requests by tomorrow. So I haven't even thought about buying a pinball. I know they're very, very expensive, and they take up a lot of room in your basement sometimes or wherever you have them. And I just don't have the room or the money for it. Hang on, hang on. I just want to back up. People who say they don't have the room for them, people don't have money for them. everyone always says i don't have room for them it's it's a bullshit statement it's always about the money they are expensive and they're also sorry just had to add my two cents there and so i'll put one in my fucking dining room i don't give a shit i'm speechless this whole thing go ahead so i listen to these guys all the time and they're always talking about pinball and it intrigues me to learn more about it and i'm i'm not the i'm not by any means as excited about pinball as they are but i'm getting to the point where this could be really fun to get into um so i'm doing a lot of research on pinballs that could possibly work for me that uh pinballs that would i would really like enjoy to play over and over Give us three or five that you've kind of been looking at. It doesn't matter price right now. What have you been looking at that really grabs your attention? How about this? Let's make it easy. What have you learned in your research so far? Okay. Well, the things I learned the most I learned from this is buy something that has a lot of good replay value. If it's not something that you're going to enjoy playing for a long period of time, you're spending a lot of money on, in my opinion, it's not worth the dare i say investment of something like this so replay value is key it's definitely one of the top um uh traits for it well that's true i mean i mean that's the problem with a lot of the machines from your 80s and 90s because that was a location those are location based pins you know those are pins designed for short play times so you're not getting the deep rule sets you know when i had my first pinball was black rose and the second you sunk a ship you did it game over now you're like shit now how many oh maybe i can you know sink two ships or three ships like it got really repetitive really fast and uh i after about i don't know i had that thing for i don't know two years almost a year i think for sure a while yeah and i was like man i can't stand the sight of this fucking thing and i have a monster bash remake and i'm still not there because obviously that's a shallow rule set too. Sure, sure. Once I got my Monster Bash, I'm like, well. You got to get Monsters of Rock yet. Yeah, well, even then I was like, well. Yeah, sure, sure. So it's different. No, I totally agree. And this is where Ian and I kind of stray in our opinions because Ian, as we've talked about, is always really big on themes. And Eric and I on the way over here today were talking about that and that replay sounds like in my mind too for a guy who's been playing pinball for a while, Trump's theme, to some degree, because if you can keep hitting play on a machine, like I was telling my Metallica, I love it. You know, I'm not a huge Monster fan of the band, but that has nothing to do with anything. I just like to play that game. And if you have a game that you can keep pushing play on, then that's way better than, oh, I got this piece of art because I like Ghostbusters, and the game isn't great, but I love the Ghostbusters. so right right yeah no i agree that's just that's just the way i think about it yeah so that's replay value uh is very hot high on my list uh another thing is uh the toys in the game as well they have to be exciting they have to catch your eye they have to be something that you know like oh you hit something something happens the trigger effect what what's going to happen with all these things sure um what are some cool toys that you've seen so far and you're playing pinball um i like the uh from smog from uh was that the hobbit yeah that was pretty fun that is that is a cool uh yeah for sure the ship on uh was that uh yeah yeah i like that that was really two really cool uh toys mechs whatever you want to call them and uh i also i'm not gonna lie i love the castle effect and uh um medieval madness oh yeah yes that is the flailing penises as my wife likes to call them Oh, my God. She hates those things to no end, and I think they're great, too. I totally agree. That's an awesome toy. Yeah, you know, Medieval Madness, no matter how many times you knock down that castle. Oh, my God. You just want to do it again. It's just awesome. It's a gratifying feeling. Yes. The most gratifying. It's right center in the play field. It's there. It's one of the coolest toys. They're still making those Medieval Madnesses. Sure. CGC is still making those. Yeah. That would be one that could be in your living room. You can knock that fucker down all the time. I told him that on the way here, and then he's hemming and hawing. I said, Eric, don't think. Just get it.
    17:01
    Well, no, he's an analytical guy. That's why he's on. I'd like to hear more about it. Okay, what else are you thinking?
    17:08
    Hold on, hold on. Toys. Drew, do you have a favorite toy? Oh, besides that one? Which one? Sparky, of course. Sparky's great. Besides all medieval madness? Sparky? Yeah. Sparky and Metallica is just fantastic every time. and then um yeah we talked about it you know the the shot on houdini catapult shot catapult shot oh yeah that's a jaw dropper for me too it is it's just cool i mean there's a lot you know now it's it's just more like you know the monsters come out and they just do another bash toy that you just kind of hit and you know the sculpt looks cool it's a very sparky so isn't that a bash toy yeah but but he's animated with the coil and the light show and everything gotcha yeah that's the difference because you know herman munster he doesn't move right right you know it's not like the spaceship from attack from mars that's one of my yes that that is yeah highly gratifying bash toys i mean for me oh man i don't know man there's a lot of cool toys and mechs in like theater of magic yes um and uh oh man what uh tales from arabian night totem man Yeah the spinning lamp Anytime that ball does some shit that a metal ball shouldn do I have a hard Yes. I can fucking press start, and I don't mean to. And we – But I'm pumped. The only man that can flip a pinball machine without his hands.
    18:35
    It's because I stand so close to the guys. Don't worry, ladies. And the other one that isn't even out yet. uh the black knight we can kind of tell that's going to be a cool bash toy absolutely that'll be a real cool one i mean i don't know do you call that a bash toy i guess you'd have to no there's targets in front of it yeah sure so it's not really a bash toy technically so all right eric so toys toys and innovation got it yep yeah so that's that's kind of what i'm uh looking for mostly when i'm looking at a new pinball how do you feel about like the lcd screens the big screens pros and cons uh i love them because they are very flashy and they show a lot of the um what's happening in the in the game as well but when you're playing a pinball when you're playing pinball i should say you're not really looking at the screen you're looking at the play field and the lcd screen is mainly for the spectators which is all fair and game i love it but is it worth the extra money that you want to put put in for it i know jersey jacks all have that and they look amazing. They do a lot of great stuff with it. They're big. And they're huge. They're like freaking TVs. And I'm just, I love the look of them, but I'm torn on something like that. No, I'm with you. I mean, you go back to Lord of the Rings from the early 2000s. They look amazing. Don't get me wrong. They're fantastic. Oh, no, I totally agree. And yeah, the old DMD on Lord of the Rings, because that was the standard at the time and that game has so much in it. Everyone loves playing it and it didn't need a big flashy LCD. But it is the world we live in. And it's probably all going to go that way anyways in the future. Correct. And I'm okay with that. Sure. If they get better with it as time goes on and they can do cool things with it, fine.
    20:25
    That was Ian. That was Ian trying to make a soda can into a garbage receptacle. I was trying to throw it so quiet. Oh, man. It sounds like this. Okay. Well, you know what, Eric? Just from hearing you say that and dropping Jersey Jack, you have definitely done your research, man. You are there. Man, how much? I'm very impressed. Aren't you? No, I really am because that's awesome. And the shit he said about the LCDs, it's what I feel, too. I mean, I guess with me personally with LCDs, my only thing is I've actually never owned a game with an LCD screen. So I never, ever really look up. And I felt like if I did have an LCD screen, I think I could train myself to definitely trap up the ball and then look up. Yep. Yeah. You do miss some of the animations because when the balls are flowing and things are getting hot and heavy, you know that's the cool shit that's on the screen. You're not seeing that. Sure. I get that part. And, you know, there's a lot of games. You know, they have Color DMD. Everyone can agree is one of the greatest mods out there. I've had it on Black Rose And I have it on my Metallica So when you don't have it on there You just notice You know what I mean? It's weird because I go to round one I play their Metallica there They have a Metallica Pro And I'm looking at that stupid red DMD God, that fucking burn your cornea red That's the name of the color, by the way I know it is He's a Sherman Williams man, he knows Red is the devil's dick I mean, why did they ever make DMVs that red? But I'm looking at this thing and I'm like... I'll take one double-dick red, please. I'm like, that looks like shit. But then back to Eric's point, I never look up when I'm playing. But yeah, somehow I know. You know, it's just weird. Right. You need... So I think going forward, because even now when I'm searching the marketplace for a new pin, like Lord of the Rings, I'll use that example. Love the game. It's a great game. Game of Thrones, same thing. but then i see that that orange dmd and i'm like that looks like garbage yeah i just i just don't want it it's a turnoff so how'd you there you go good way to put it how'd you go from iron maiden to metallica like because that had you know did you notice you looking up at the shots and toys no no not so much there why you did it but just the lcd integration versus going back to dmd no you know what that's because i would have been looking up because that was like your first major box purchase correct yes yes yes i bought an ironman then i sold it then i bought a metallica um yeah i i just the game's just better it to me it just was the game i don't know got it all right cool man yeah all right eric what else do you have any games like drew was saying you have any games that you're thinking about so what's tickling your pickle kid all right so There's three, maybe four, that are on my topless list. Give us the three Reach Around titles. I want all four now.
    23:26
    Four Reach Around titles, ladies and gentlemen. I've been drinking, ladies. I'm sorry. I just picture there's just... Sorry. I'm over here on a whole different thing. Go ahead, Eric. Sorry. Four games you would like to purchase my man. Go for it. Well, I know the ladies love Medieval Madness, so I am... Flailing penises. That's just going to be the new tagline for that pin, by the way. That is one of the first pinballs that I've ever played, and I loved playing that pinball. He did, because I was there when he played it. I seen him. He was there, too. Looking at his face, it was. It was like a five-year-old. It was awesome. Eric, way to go. What's next? There's nothing better than that game. One of the best.
    24:09
    Obviously, because it's on top of pin sign. Anywho, the next game I'm looking at would be Lord of the Rings. can't go wrong there oh god that game oh my god is something to witness i've told people i i've no stake in the movie don't really care i know eric's a fan of the movies um so if that's the case i mean that might be the pin because it's deep it has a lot of rules it has a lot of cool things to see while you're playing it that might be the one when you look over that play field you're like how big is this fucking playfield they put so much in there but it's spaced out like where it's not intimidating it's really if stern sold that pin today they would literally be charging twelve thousand dollars for it so what did we podcast round up real quick who was talking about lord of the rings vault edition what they could do to that was it twip sorry zach many if it was you or maybe canada but canada's canada's can't talk because he's got Canada can't talk because he's got Willy Wonka dick in his mouth. He's like, this whole week I've been like, Willy Wonka.
    25:16
    Brenda, get in here and tell them about it. Sorry. All right. So anyway, they talk about you take Lord of the Rings and you slap an art package on there from like a Franchi or whoever. Love you, Franchi.
    25:34
    They've talked a lot about Franchi artwork on there, yes. Then you go with the LCD. Oh, you know what? I'm combining my shit now. But, yeah, LCD it, and then, boom, you got a pretty impressive thing. I think Zach Benny was talking about Game of Thrones doing it that way. Yes, Game of Thrones would be similar. Head to head, they were talking about Ghostbusters doing that. Wait, no, that was Zach Benny, too. Fuck, I don't know. Zach, you do everything, my man. So give it up to Zach Benny. But, yeah.
    26:02
    Yay, Zach. You did it. We didn't even talk about the April Fool's joke Because we're still bitter about it Fuck that, you know what We'll talk about it podcast roundup We'll just talk about the April Fool's Fuck you guys Because we were the fools so bad So bad If you guys want to know why our audio quality was so bad That last episode, we'll talk about it We'll talk about it Sorry again for the audio quality in episode 3 But now we're in episode 4
    26:31
    Way to blow up the mic man give me a warning here i could have turned down shit all right anyway so anyway all right so i got medieval madness we got lord of the rings and you know what i'm i'm liking both of those and i see a little theme there so it's i'm digging both of those all right what else you got so my third one and i'm kind of going against uh what i mentioned before but it's not a huge setback would be the hobbits the hobbits yeah so i haven't had a lot of time on the hobbit but it's either it's one of those games where you either love it or hate it so you would have to my recommendation for that one is you would have to shoot that one first exactly and oops you blew into my mic man you motherfuckers how much have you drank already um it's either what are you drinking again gin and tonic i need some more i know i do you're absolutely correct i absolutely do that looks terrible we'll get some more All right, Drew, what do you think about The Hobbit, man? You've played it. Yeah, I have. I've put 10 or 15 games on it, and it's great.
    27:36
    You look at it, it's a Jersey Jack pin, so everyone knows it's beautiful. It looks good. It's got the little cool little LCD on the play field, the smog head, two cool ramps in the center, which they had issues with, I guess, in the early production models, but they fixed that later on, and they sell a kit to fix it, whatever. Cool.
    27:57
    It's a long-playing game, so it's one of these wide bodies, and it's kind of floaty, people say. You know what? For someone who's getting into pinball, it's a game, and it's got a lot of modes. It's got a lot of different cool things. A lot of shit you can do in there. Yeah. So, you know, it doesn't have, like, a ton in it. I mean, you know, there's the two ramps and this and that, but beautiful piece and a great game. So you can't go wrong with it. Wide bodies make my dick soft, so I'm sorry. I can't do it. Yeah, you just really can't get around. Everyone who says I don't like wide bodies, I'm like, for me, it's a case-by-case basis. What? I don't. It's all getting edited out. We're editing all that stuff. All this got edited out because that was mean. Drew got really upset. I don't fucking care. I lost 50 pounds, bitches. You look great. I want to be skinnier than you in two weeks, Ian. Shut up. It's not going to take much. I keep eating and drinking like an idiot.
    28:52
    No, I don't have anything against wide bodies in general. Some are good, some aren't. You know, it's just the way it is. All bodies are good. Well, case by case. Well, Drew is fair. No, not all bodies are good. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but Drew definitely fits in the podcasting world because fucking he is not critical about anything. Why, I hate you, motherfucker. Upper playfields, lower playfields. What was his answer? I take them or leave them. That was my answer. Standard body or big body or wide body? Oh, you know, time and place. I like them all. He likes balls. Does it have some silver balls and a couple of bats on them? I fucking love pinball. I love big pinballs. I love little pinballs. I love skinny pinballs, and I love fat pinballs. No, I just do that. He likes American pinballs. He likes Asian pinballs. No, I don't. Hornhub pinballs. Home pin can go suck it. How's that? Home pin? Sorry.
    29:49
    I'm sorry. One thing he's critical about is Home Pin. The guy that everybody kicks because he's been so far now.
    29:56
    Anyway, let's move on. Moving on. Again, nobody wants to hear this shit. Move on. All right. What else we got, Eric? All right. So I'm torn between The Hobbit and Wizard of Oz. Now, I'm not a huge fan of Wizard of Oz. So beautiful. The actual theme of it. The movie's good. Don't get me wrong. I know where you're going with this. I just can't seem to own something that I'm not like. Let me help you here, Eric. Please, please. Sorry.
    30:23
    I feel the exact same way about Wizard of Oz. I would fuck that pin right in the flipper hole. Let me tell you. I'm sure a lot of people would pay to see that, too. Let me tell you. Nobody wants to see that. No, trust me. Nobody wants.
    30:41
    No. Seriously, Eric. Seriously. Serious for a second. seriously um serious fixes no that that pin uh it looks amazing yeah i love the look i i think and if you were if you were choosing between that and hobbit it would be wizard of oz hands down 10 10 times out of eight now granted i've never played either of them doesn't doesn't here's the thing it's like yeah my insult i never played but i would like to with the uh midwest gaming classes coming up hopefully sure they'll be there they'll be there so you can play the new one there yeah they'll have the yellow brick road yellow brick road the the ybr jjp woz acronym we're gonna you know what hang on hang on we're calling this here ladies and gentlemen in pinball land we are coining this phrase that is now called the acronym pinball machine it's done what what jjp ybr yes no that machine is it's the jjp ybr woz there you go it's done i can't remember that i'm sorry let's move past it so here's what i'd say about waz and why i think out of all those waz is your smartest choice yes okay here's the one and only reason. Ready? I'm here. Women find that game to be sexy. They love that game. That too. They really do. If you want to include your wife into playing pinball or even just wanting... Let's just say this, Eric. You want to start in this hobby, right? Mm-hmm. My advice to you is Waz, out of all those, will bring Triana... Triana will play with you a bunch with that game. Yep, that's true. It'll hold her interest and you know what? All your guests that you have that are non-pinball people, Waz just... That's a sexy machine, man. It's a beautiful machine. It's a work of art. I want one down here. I honestly want one right next to my Monster Bash just because I know that that's going to bring my wife down here more. She loves Monster Bash. She plays a shit ton of it, and she's pretty damn good at it now. But Woz will take it to another level. There's only a few games out there that I would say, and this is going to sound kind of bad, but like wife-friendly. And I think people out there listening are going to understand that. No, it's very true. male dominated industry and i know there's a badass women out there that play a lot of pinball way more than i ever have yes they probably have forgotten more about pinball than i have ever known however i'm just saying in a very broad general sense that fuck that there's certain games out there that appeal to the masses you know before and waz is that one out of those ones and you can get waz at a good price and emerald city at a good price right now because they're coming out with that new one. Yes. And before Wonka was really confirmed and people were talking about how great it might be, I was looking hard at a Woz because I wanted a JJP and it has a ton in it. And now... The mods alone. Oh, man. The shit you could buy for that thing to dress it up. It's a beautiful machine on its own. It's already got everything you'd ever fucking want. But if you want to spend another cool grand on more shit you can put in there or better shit... Eric, it has five flippers. okay that's crazy not you know my iron maiden had four flippers and everyone's like oh that's cool no this has a fifth flipper they they somehow managed to throw another flipper in there i mean when you look at it though your eyes get real wide it's uh i don't i wouldn't say it's a hard shooter there's definitely been harder shooters out there but it's not a very flowy game that's the only no yeah there's there's just a lot of stuff like you got the forest You got the spinning house. You got the witch. You got the little castle doors. So all those things. I just named like four or five things. That's a lot of stuff, Angel. Yeah. You name any other pin, I can't name four or five things for you. Because like Metallica, oh, you got Sparky and the snake in the graveyard. You know what I mean? That's three. But that's it. No, this thing you just keep going on and on about what's in it. The extra toys. That's one of my top tricks. Well, there you go. There's so many toys in there. There's so many cool things. I'm a little spoiled with my Monster Bash. You are. That thing is loaded. Oh, it is. I've never seen something like that. That was the only reason I got it, because when I was in the market for a new game, and I was like, when I sold off a bunch of my collection for the new game, I had options, and I went with Monster Bash only because I feel like Stern. Stern's good for one or two toys every game. One or two toys. Mechs. Whatever you want to call them. Stern is great for good themes. themes they're decent decent shooting games themes animation everything else but the mechanical side of things you know and yep and i wanted to see i'm like canada now i want to see something magical happen and this is true so that's why i went with cgc and the monster bad a game i had never played no you're on location no this is uh i played a shit ton of it on the uh on the uh arcade pinball arcade app but yeah i went i went i went fucking dick first into this machine and you know what i'm glad i did but again that shallow rule set's already catching up and i'm like motherfucker so um yeah because ian sucks at it but he gets the monster bash almost every time i get monster bash quite a bit i i i'm a brick fest motherfucker i love my bricks all right if they came out with a new theme game stern came out and announced a game tomorrow brick is the name of the game Build a house, motherfucker. And all your major points are brick shots. And if you hit a ramp or a scoop they should deduct points And the only way you can get points is by bricking shots Hit the brick bitch Grand fucking champion right here guys No one. I would call out freaking Zach Sharp and Keith Elwin. Bro, let's play brick one-on-one. Let's see who can fuck up more. Oh, they would still get you.
    36:50
    Well, they would probably exploit the rules and their multipliers. and I can add to 10 because I got 10 fingers. All right, so fuck off. But let's play that game. Let's play Brick.
    37:03
    Make it Stern. Stern, are you listening? Right? You beat me to it. So out of those, Eric, I like Lost. Do you have any other games? I do have another game. It's more of a beginner game, and it's less money. And I was thinking about getting this because I did see it on Pinside. It's for sale for a pretty decent price. Fire when ready, sir. You're going to seem like this is kind of like... I want Popeye, so... I want a black belt last week. That's true. All right. The pin I was looking at would be the Stern version of Playboy from 2002. Oh, awesome. That's a good choice. See, I played that one. It's a good starter. It's very fun to play. Your wife would never... She would not... No. No, I like that game. She okayed it. Whoa.
    37:53
    But since I do have a kid, I don't think that that would be the best. That's the thing. That would be a good way.
    38:02
    He's got a little boy, by the way. Yeah, that would not fly. No. I'm thinking, oh, yeah. She pointed that out. I was like, yeah, you're right. Eric's going to have little skull stickers on the boobies. Oh, God. Man. Yeah. So what is it about? Yes, it is, then. I think I made the decision for you. No. The thing with The Wizard of Oz, I try looking for some on Pinside and even on eBay.
    38:26
    You're talking maybe 9,000. Nope. I try. I'm looking around and I can't find anything. There's a guy. Give it some time. Yeah. There is a guy right now. We got a lot of games coming out. He's in California somewhere. He owns like 50, 60 pins. He's reputable. He's been selling pins and whatever. He has the Emerald City one. I was actually looking at it. It's like $7,300, I think. Because he's a guy, like I said, he literally has like 50 pins. He just buys and sells all the time. This thing supposedly was serviced for Jersey Jack himself because he's such a connoisseur.
    39:04
    He knows Jack and whatever. And Jack took the game for him and had it serviced by his people, whatever. It's all ready to go. He's willing to ship. It was like $7,300. All right. uh next question would be to that would be what is the main difference between the uh yellow brick road and the one you were just mentioning is it a hundred million dollars is it a huge difference in the the play field already upgrades well the yellow brick road does not have the monkey mech so what that is is in the back of the play field there is a literal mech that you shoot the ball i forget where the ball goes but it physically locks the ball and then a flying monkey flies down, grabs the ball, and flies back up with it. That's awesome. Wait for it. Now, He's really animated, kids. Now, if you buy the Yellow Brick Road Addiction, Addition, then it's on the LCD screen. They just ripped out that mech completely. So it's one less toy. And they're charging more. $11,500. Jack, what are you doing? He sounds like us now. You're one of us.
    40:22
    Seriously, when you buy a pinball, you want to see all those features. You want to see them. Here's the problem, Eric. They did it for the operators, but guess what? Operators don't buy Wizard of Oz machines. I don't believe that. It's bullshit.
    40:40
    Jack, I love you, but it's bullshit. and i think there's more for it jack no a lot more jack knows it's bullshit jack is a fucking everyday man yes he's well aware of it he's well aware of it yeah so anyone that wants to go now word on the street is no so i've been i've been kind of harsh on it because i said it looked like a mustard fucking covered pinball machine but we say the banana marches apparently apparently it's goddamn gorgeous the way they did the metal flake in there and the gold oh i never had any I doubt it isn't going to look good. I'm excited to see that Midwest Gaming Classic. Sure. Should we do that segue? Should we talk Midwest? Are you done, Eric? Let's do it. MGC, baby. Someone's always looking. Eric's coming with me and Drew, and we also have our buddy Dan coming. It'll be all four of us. So for those who don't know and those who have their head under a rock for the last several weeks, the Midwest Gaming Classic is coming up this next weekend. In Milwaukee, our backyard. Home turf, baby. home turf so uh what do we think uh we're gonna see there well what do you want to see let's talk about wants what do you want to see drew hold on time out the if you clicked on this the episode title should probably i gave it away but let's go ahead drew why don't you tell us about what you want to see my man willie wonka i want to see his fantastic chocolate river this might change your idea, Eric. You might have to add this to the list, because what I hear... What I hear, it's a standard-bodied game, and it's goddamn beautiful. Oh, man. As Canada's Review would point out... Sorry, what was that?
    42:26
    Willy Wonka's in my mouth. That's the Willy in his mouth. He can't help it. No, that is solely why I want to go now. to see Willy Wonka.
    42:37
    I mean, the Midwest Gaming Classic is awesome. It's great to go there. It's great to see it. It's great to play the games, whatever. We are going to meet some fellow podcasters, which we're excited about. Yeah, dude. We're going to try to get out with Bill. Bill and Ken. Jeff Patterson. Zach Manning wants to meet us. Zach Manning. Yep, I got a little date with him. I wonder if Chris Franchi is going to be there. Oh if Chris is there we are going to have a great time I can't wait I hope Chris gets there Yeah Zach told me If I see him there He's going to give me a thousand dollars off a Wonka Crickets That was stupid Nobody believed that But Zach I am in the market for a Wonka We did talk about it briefly on Facebook And I'll make you my distributor If you can you know we can strike a deal man I'm serious I talked to Zach too He said we were kicking ass on our podcast So thank you Zach for that Number two he's going to be over at his booth Flipping out pinballs Now do you think these guys just say this to be nice Or do you think they're actually listening And critiquing us It's hard to say Maybe they're being polite We're not on anyone's radar We're idiots We are certifiable idiots We're not smart men. Correct. I just want to go on the record so anyone who thinks like... Well, they know. Well, no, no. I know they know, but I just want to make sure that they understand that we don't think like we're above our pay grade. Oh, fuck yeah. That's why we're called Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Correct. We're the every guy. Exactly. This whole foundation is based on bar talk with pinball nerds. Nerding out at bar talk. You know what? That was eloquently... See, I can't even say that word. We're going to keep that in. That's not getting edited out, folks. Al Quintly? Yeah, what you said. Al Quintly said. Yes. Thank you, my man. Thank you. Because, you know, I just want to make sure people don't think like we think higher of ourselves. We're just idiots. Eric Pinball. Eric, what are you excited about for Midwest Gaming Classic? What are you excited about? Hi. So before you go there. Sorry, Eric. Sorry. It's all good. Before you get there, let's just kind of recap what. Could possibly be there. So we have Sword of Rage, Black Knight from Stern. Yes, and that's the Marco booth. Yes, and they were thinking that because in the past they only really show pro models at these things, but all the promotional material, according to Zach Many, is of the premium. Oh. So who knows? Marco, whatever you got, man, we will. I just went from one inch to two inches. So we'll see how that goes. That's a record, folks.
    45:34
    Sword of Rage. So we had that, right? Sword of Rage will be there. And then, well, that's one more than Texas Pinball Festival had. Oh!
    45:47
    Sorry, Texas. You do them big, I'm sure. Milwaukee's representing here. I'm sorry. And then we have, well, let's go to the one that showed up over there, jersey jacks uh yellow brick road edition so we got that the acronym it was all from american pinball we have octoberfest from american pinball you and i man you and i well willie wonka is the rumored reveal so we those are four pretty major reveals right there for us this midwest gaming classic yeah might be the most hyped is it probably. Easily, because there's never that many reviews in one single show. Yeah, forget... Oh, Alice Cooper. Yeah, Alice Cooper. I'm calling that one, because that's not around. Exactly. So for us, that's kind of the reveal. That's a huge deal, man. That's five games. You're right. But even just Sword of Rage and Willy Wonka, you just put those two at Midwest Gaming Classic, you have a winner. Yeah. Exactly. The other ones have been shown for almost a year now, but for that, that's pretty fucking cool. And then you add Alice Cooper and a couple others in there i'm excited about that but eric okay i'm sorry man you were what were you going to say that what were you looking forward to playing no actually yeah uh the rumor willy wonka sounds very awesome i'm not gonna lie i'm definitely looking for that and octoberfest i did some just research on it research google research and look at some videos and it looks really fun except there's that one ramp on the far left side that like nobody can hit apparently but it looks fun nonetheless um and it's uh looking could look like a potential uh one that i might look for in the future a lot a lot of neat stuff in there it's not not for me as a home buy but i'm definitely gonna play a lot of it drew and i have talked about this at length because i think it looks awesome again it's a great man cave knowing my you know the big hang-up is the lcd animations right and his pants are raising we just talked about this i don't really had a game i never had a game with an lcd animation so true that's true all i care about what's on the field like eric said eric you're a wise man so i'm gonna go on your thing whatever is on that field game on man and you know what it's stacked for the price you can't go wrong with paying for your buck correct that's on there you can't go wrong with it and then i'm looking forward to it too eric that's To be fair, Willy Wonka may be my number one, but I am super excited to play Oktoberfest because I've been waiting to play this for over a year. And we confirm that it is going to be there? Oh, American Pinball will be there.
    48:31
    They're out of Chicago. It's a quick one. Would you sell Monster Bash to get an Oktoberfest? No, what I want to do, ideal world is I'd keep Monster Bash and I would buy a game that has a deeper rule set so I have more options. So I have a quick plan game And then again that's going to be more or less Kind of a deeper rule set Midwest Gaming Classic On Friday night, we'll be there Friday night guys And Drew how are they going to find us?
    49:01
    What? What are you looking for from me? Pormanspinball At gmail.com Here's what we're going to do Friday night Drew and I are going to be at The Pormanspinball podcast Oh, you are doing that. Oh, nice. So hang on. Hang on. Look underneath that table there. There's a plastic bag. Why don't you grab that plastic bag? I got you a toy. I'm going to present the present. So Ian asked me what size shirt I was. I didn't think much of it. Ian got us matching t-shirts. Aw. Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. And it's done in the poorest man's possible thing. Oh, man. I made sure that their exact same shirt is special because they were so comfortable oh that is awesome thanks Ian yeah no problem I got you two shirts I got me two shirts so we will be at we will be wearing shirts that say poor man's pinball podcast and in poor man fashion they don't have any graphics on it it's not a single graphic I made sure of it what color is the shirt it's a black shirt with white lettering it's the most basic ass shirt you'll ever see I fucking love it yeah he probably spent $3.50 sense. That is fantastic, Ian. Thank you so much. Seriously, that is great. You're welcome. I like to present presents. You are, oh man. I am really emotional right now. That was awesome. Yeah, they're good shirts, man. They're comfy. I made sure they were exactly 2.5 inches. Yes. We have reached another record, folks.
    50:33
    Let's get ready to rumble. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yay, first 2.5 inches. So look for us Friday night. We're going to have these shirts. on, say hi. Say, hey, I'm listening. Or say, hey, what the fuck's that on your shirt?
    50:47
    Pornhub's Pinball Podcast? Never heard of it. And then I'll say, you heard of it. You did. We're going to get a lot more of those.
    50:54
    Who's that? So you got another fucking pinball podcast. Oh, man. There's so many of us. It's alright, brother. We're doing it. We're doing it our way. We got your shirts. We got a new game. We do have a new game. I got a new game. My game got bumped because Ian's an asshole. That's not true. We're going to play it next week. I have another weird ass game I came up with. So Love Letter's stuck, which is good. This is another stupid... Wait, wait, wait. It's stuck? Who said it's stuck? We just do whatever. We can no one tell us otherwise. I think it's a great idea. It is. I do. I'm enjoying it. Okay, fair enough. Go ahead. Okay, go ahead. So this is called Do You Pinball? Alright, so we'll do an example. This is going to be an example of the game. Okay, example question. okay so here we go example question your boss is retiring right or maybe he's moving on from the company doesn't fucking matter could be a she you sexist pig well this boss is a he and he is leaving and you're going to his retirement party and you walk into a bar and no one at the party has seen you yet and you see a ghostbusters premium do you play pinball before they see you you get a game in absolutely and why absolutely why do you do it oh it's my boss i don't really care i mean i'm gonna say hi to him or her anyway okay eric what do you think i i completely agree drew uh get the game in have some fun and then talk to the boss yeah and the correct answer is you play pinball because they didn't see your ass all right so you both get a point Easy game right I'm with you I think these are going to get weird and awkward In a hurry It's going to get so fucking weird Alright so here we go So you guys know what we're doing We're playing this game Do you play pinball I'm going to throw some scenarios Do you pinball Drew's Aunt Lily passed away Drew do you have an Aunt Lily No Because she passed away sorry drew whoops all right drew's aunt lily all right let's just say because eric you're playing everyone's aunt lily passed away and in the funeral home during the service you notice a fishtails in the corner eric that's a pinball machine okay at the funeral home at the funeral home do you play pinball yes because it's in a fucking funeral home i mean Why do they have a fucking pinball machine in the funeral home? Eric, do you play pinball? Is it socially acceptable to play pinball? Wait, wait, that wasn't the question. Wait, hold on. I want to know what kind of funeral home has a pinball machine, but yes. Since South Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Well, now that makes a lot of sense if anyone's heard of it. Question two, does this funeral home have a bar as well? No, no bar. Oh, okay. It's actually pretty religious with the exception of the fishtails. It's fucking weird.
    54:00
    To be respectful, I would not. All right. So we have Drew would play. We have one asshole. During a funeral, home. During a funeral. And we have one respectful, normal man. It depends on how close I was with this Aunt Lily, too. All right. So the answer is you play because here's why. You be the asshole. Aunt Lily fucking is dead, number one. And number two, the family wouldn't have chosen a funeral home with a pinball if you couldn't play that game. And the family definitely wouldn't have accepted that thing. So you Drew you get a point Ding Another thing Ding You get a point for playing pinball Aunt Lily would want you to play the game Exactly She wants you to have fun probably That was an easy one Here we go. Round two. We're round three, bitches. This is round two. First one was a practice. Okay. So Drew, you got one point. Eric, zero points. All right. I got one point. No, you had zero points. Oh, I lost a point. You didn't lose a point. The first one was an example. Oh, okay. We started with defeat. All right. Got you. One nothing, okay? One zero. All right, so example number two. Do you play pinball? Do you pinball?
    55:21
    Your games are stored in your garage. Let's just say you're in a warmer climate. Let's say Arizona, right? Your games are stored in your garage. The door is wide open, and you are playing your best game of Attack from Mars you've ever played. You're about to hit grand champion, and you get interrupted by a man who just walks into your garage. He starts talking to you about ridiculous things, and then finally he finally lays it down that he is a child molester, and he has to go door to door to explain that he is living in your neighborhood.
    55:54
    Your young daughter's running to the garage, and he notices the young lady's playing, and you trap the ball, and you're about to hit Grandmaster. Do you play pinball, or do you tell him to get the fuck off your property? I trap up and I kick him in the nuts do you play do you finish your game after I kick him in the nuts alright so you keep playing yes just say you play pinball I play pinball Eric where are you at I will continue to play pinball I will have a shotgun to the close to me and I will shoot that son of a bitch square between the eyes so you will not come back ever fucking again.
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    Alright, the right answer is you play pinball. You're gonna find there's a theme here. Yeah, you play pinball because he's already admitted that he's done it. So you're like, you already know who he is. So he's not gonna do this shit right there. He's probably gonna wait until after you get done with your game. So get that fucking high score. Alright, so Drew two points, Eric one point. Alright, here we go. Round three. These guys are laughing more because I came up with this game About I don't know In two minutes Round three You're playing a mean game of Metallica You so happen to look out your window And you notice a small murder Wait Small murder Someone dies Like a sharp person died Is that what a small murder is Do you play pinball well if you guys know the neighborhood i live in that's normal so yes i play minbol any of metallica so yes all day every day based on a true story eric can you play uh yes i do play um eric comes from a much nicer neighborhood but i'm also concerned with the so quote unquote small murder at the time but i will also continue to play all All right, and the right answer is you guys should burn in hell. But the right answer is actually you do play because the murderer just happened. It's already done. You can't save him. Continue your game. All right. Life goes on. So, Drew, you are the winner because your morals are shit. And, Eric, you actually win morally, okay? You are actually should be the champion. I'm not the asshole to my Aunt Lily, Drew. Yes, poor Aunt Lily. But you know what? That's the game. Do you play pinball? What do you guys think? I love it. I fucking play pinball. I love it. Well, the problem with that game is you always play pinball. I just got to come up with stupid, shitty reasons.
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    And then the answer is you always play because, you know, it doesn't matter about Aunt Lily. She's already dead.
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    Small murder. Get those high scores. The moral of the story is. That was a good game. I had no idea what the fuck I was getting into. but I often don't. It's a stupid game. It's fucking awful. Thank you, everybody.
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    Podcast Roundup. You want to do it? The Podcast Roundup. Roundup, Roundup, Roundup. Okay, so this week, Kaneda, he had, what, 10 podcasts this week, 20 podcasts this week? I couldn't keep up, man. My car speakers were crackling by the end of the week. No, he literally put up four or five this week, right? Every day, every other day. I was exhausted. Episode 323, This is Bullshit, was the title of it. He's talking about Stern. He's really annoyed at Stern. He's not a Stern fan, is he?
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    He comes and goes. Okay. He respects the business model, but not the product. Yeah, he's big on, you know, Stern's consistent. They release products. They give pinball to the world, which is true. You know, you want to buy a pinball machine that works? Because here's the thing. You buy a Stern. He was talking about, Ian was talking about not buying a Stern. You buy a Stern, it's going to be reliable. It's going to work. You know, it's a good game. It's solid. Good theme, too. They do lots of good themes. It's like the Toyota or Honda of cars. There you go. You want like the Cadillac. Yes. You want the Jersey Jack. That's fair. You're right. So, TPF, Texas Pinball Festival, is one of the biggest pinball shindigs of the year. Stern does not release anything Then literally two days after it's over They release Black Knight Sword of Rage I don't have an issue with it What would be the issue? What was Canadian's problem? Oh, you know He's disrespecting the Process and this and that He just had some things to say And I'm just like, you know He didn't like the release The way they did the video Versus not showing it at the show Correct. All right, man. That's fair enough. He does that shit all the time where he has an issue when they don't reveal at a show, and then he has an issue when they do reveal at a show because it's not up to his standards.
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    So, Kaneda's a whole other story. Correct. Yeah, that sounds like somebody that would dedicate an entire podcast to. So, yeah, good job, Kaneda. We really appreciate that episode. Go ahead. His wife should be on his show every day. Oh, my God. She is good. She sounds fucking one. Well, you like the Irish ladies. Let's be honest. The accent was great. When she said something was shite, I was like. Oh, man. You know what? It's funny. You know what? I love this woman. I was listening to that, and when I heard that, honestly, that was my first thought. I'm like, Ian's going to fucking love this shit. She just sounded. She sounded like a classy broad. She does. Which is a funny way to say it, right? No. When you say broad, you're like, oh, God, this is going to be a tough girl. No, there is no way to say it. And then when you say classy. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's how it is. Those Irish ladies are just too much, man. Here's the podcast I want to listen to. Kaneda, are you listening? No. Just Brett. Oh, no, he probably is. See what she did there.
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    Brenda and Bubba. I want the Brenda and Bubba show. Ooh. Yes. Just Brenda. You know, Bubba will be on the podcast. Well, Bubba doesn't talk. I have to talk. That's fine. They can do a little picture of them, too. That's fine. How about just Brenda and Kaneda, every once in a while, she chimes in, because it's entertaining. It is. But she did a good job. She was great. Super fresh take. She sold Wonka for me. She did. I wanted... I know Kaneda's excited. I get it. I wanted Willie before I heard her talk about it, but after she talked about it, I was like, kind of like we were talking about family... She wants Willie, too. I want Willie. Kind of like we were talking about family-friendly stuff to you earlier, Eric, about Woz. you know she made it sound like waka was that yeah you know it was beautiful yeah everyone can go up to it she was talking about she goes i didn't know what i was doing but i i really enjoyed shooting it i saw these cool things happening when i was doing it that would be a great family pin it's entertaining yeah yeah just that's how she pulled it yeah absolutely so she is from ireland so she has an accent i'm not fucking being weird about it no she has a very you know i think it's awesome yeah anyways no great great show kaneda and brenda fantastic no she she did well she explained it and once again so hot we love you that's why he calls us fucking clowns we love you too bubba we don't discriminate bubba yeah bubba the bulldog yeah no he is cool dog um so one of one of the distributors i've worked with in the past sent me an email you know trying to sell you know pinball machines they do that's fine jjp announcement 412 okay yeah ultimate pinball reveal friday april 12th you know three media outlets uh uh straight down the middle special when lit this weekend pinball whatever we're not on there by the way i thought you know what i actually surprised you see what i shared on facebook no what's that so special shared that same thing yeah three media outlets we're sharing it through straight down the middle this weekend pinball and special with lit and then what i did was i shared that fucker and said number four we're sharing we're gonna share like a motherfucker on facebook yeah and that's okay so anyways so this is the email i get um he's this great distributor in uh north dakota no nebraska i'm sorry he knows yep greg uh from pinball pro he sold me my iron maiden fantastic dude anyways and then next title soon announced and then it says grab yourself a snack and watch the release and keep a look you know for emails blah blah blah and then the big picture is all the wanka candies it's sweet tarts and wankas and you know everything wanka it's great i wonder what he's hinting at and then hang on no it gets better looking for the golden ticket email us if you're interested in ordering the next title and then there's a golden ticket button and uh it's just funny to me that we all know what's going on here but contractually he cannot actually say the words willy walk up so nba's are yes oh yeah so good job greg it's just awesome i think it's just it's cool marketing that he decided to do that and you click on the golden ticket and then it just says i'm interested in jjp number five is what they're calling it well that's what they're saying yeah Yeah, yeah. She was. She was cute that way. She was hilarious. That was awesome. She said, I'm taking it seriously. I signed an MDA. What did you do? And Chris was like, Willy Wonka's fucking amazing.
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    He's like, I love Willy and my wealth. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Man, there's a lot of blowjob dick jokes today, huh? It's episode four, baby.
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    You want to be a part of this. Thank you, Eric. We need you, Eric. We love it. All right. That is that time for Love Letters. So, so sexy. It's the greatest time. That's one of my favorite three seconds of this podcast, just to dip into the mic and say, Love Letters. You do a very good job. Drew was like, I don't understand this shit.
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    But you know what? I still don't fucking understand this shit. He's the fucking MVP, man. This shit's steamy. It gets me going. I don't know. Am I starting to off this week? You always do. You start the mood. Should we let our guests go first this week? Oh, man. Absolutely. Okay. So we told Eric all about this. He's our number one fan. And much like me, when Ian told it, he goes, I don't fucking understand what you want me to do. So anyways, he puts the words on paper, much like I do, and the words kind of come together, and we just read them. It's my thing, guys. Yeah. Just humor me. Ian jerks off every time we're doing this. I don't get it. Anyways, I don't jerk off. It's just me. Okay.
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    So anyways, without further ado, Eric's going to give us the first letter of the day. Go for it. Do your opinion.
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    What's more appealing than your clay area? Is it the way you flap up and down? or the way your drop target always seems to drop my pants.
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    I want you to back up on my black light and use that spinner over and over. I'm going to launch my ball to the target and shoot all over your lane.
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    I guess what I'm trying to say because I have a crush on you and I can see it's getting worse. Hungrily yours, Eric.
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    That's one of the best love letters ever. That was, oh man. My earlobes are sweating. I'm crying right now. That was so good. Oh my God. Eric, fantastic. No, seriously, that was fantastic. That was probably the best one so far. Here we go. Dear Chris Franchi. That's right, Chris. I know you're a number one fan. Thank you for being my friend on Facebook.
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    Even though I know Drew is behind the whole damn thing. Chris. I feel like I can call you Chris since we're best friends now. But I feel like I would put any bit of artwork you have on my body because your artwork is so damn sexy. I hope you make it to the Midwest Gaming Classic A place we can hold and embrace one another My love for your talent goes well beyond that of pinball And I will always treasure our friendship If you ever need help with anything Don't hesitate to call me XOXO Love you miss I'm going to put you on my body permanently Alright, go ahead If that doesn't get him to Midwest Gaming Classic, I don't know what will. Dear Jersey Jet, I love how all your games are packed tight like my hands.
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    Great mechs, smooth shots, and a great night show. I love the art packages that make your games stand out. I love your huge, big, beautiful, black LCD screen.
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    I want to make a Jack Drew hat sandwich. Your animations are pants-raising, and themes are so hot. I think I'm really, really, really going to love your willy.
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    Forever yours, Drew. Oh, that was fabulous, Drew. Fabulous. All right. Oh, my God. I am crying. Oh, my God. I had to piss. I was dying. It was too fucking funny. And that was episode four. How are we feeling about that? So that bullshit that you just heard was love letters. Part of episode four. Episode four. Eric, what a guest. Thank you, Eric. You belong here, man. I want you here every week. So if you can do it on Mondays, we would love to have you back next Monday. That was a lot of fun. Thank you so much. That was a great time. Oh my god. I'm crying. I can't.
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    Every fucking week they get dumber and dumber and stupider. Can you use another word? I have no idea. I get dumber listening to them, but they're hilarious.
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    Give us your feedback on love letters. Poormanspinball at gmail.com And we always feel the need to do that twice, which is great. If he says it, I say it. 4manspinball at gmail.com. 4manspinball. Gmail.com. But yeah, no. Great. Send us an email. We need some more mailbag. Mailbag. Yes. So anyone out there who's listening, send us an email. Tell us what you think. Seriously. Good, bad, otherwise. Tell us we suck. Tell us we're great. We don't care. We're going to have fun with this. You're going on the air anyway, motherfucker. Yes. So come on down. We're going to read them on the air. if you want to send us a voice note we don't know how to do that so try it we can play it on the air somehow why are you always going to make things hard for me I don't know what I'm doing here well I don't do the tech stuff you do so anyways thanks for listening guys episode 4 Eric did you have fun? I had a great time we did it episode 4 alright we'll see you next week episode 5 our MGC recap. Oh, there you go.
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    We'll see you then. Love you. ...