Hello. Hey, welcome back. Episode 10. Can you believe it? Do we get like a special prize for making 10 of these? Probably. What should the prize be? Between me and you? Are we giving ourselves a prize? Yeah, we're giving ourselves a prize. Let's get a pinball machine. Okay, we need more money. um well what are we going to talk about today mike what's on the list today we're going to talk about music pinball machines a few avenues of music pinball machines this was suggested by our friend chad yep he's in the punk rock pinball facebook group you should join. It's growing quickly. I think we're up to 650 some members now. Yeah, we had a big boost this week. But Chad, he asked, like, talk about music pins, what makes a good one, what makes a bad one. We're going to go a little different there, but he also wants there to be like a Black Sabbath and an Aussie pin. Maybe it fits into this. We'll see. Kind of. It fits into part of it like where do you want to start do we want to rank them we're going to rank them we're going to rank the modern music pins yeah we're going to do talk about other stuff well i think we should talk about what we did this week too oh yeah i mean i guess yesterday we did yesterday well friday too we had like a big pinball today's sunday what did we even do friday are you kidding me oh i remember this is what happens when you get old like you don't sleep well yeah get to be 50 can't sleep well can't poop can't remember stuff what are you gonna do so on friday we really took our nerddom to a new level yeah and we had we took the live um streaming rig and went live for an hour and 40 minutes on a um best of five best of seven best of seven Jaws. Pinball. I won. Yeah. Four to two. I got to say, it was a little stressful knowing that there were three people watching at one time. Hey, at one time there were like ten people watching. Thank you. Mike MXV was watching. Yeah, I know. It stressed me out. Vince Griff was watching. I did his move. I did the Vince Griff behind the back flippers when you have a multiball. I did that. When I was playing and we had those friends watching, I was thinking, wouldn't it be cool if there was some kind of, like, I want Mike Vinikour to do a summer camp like pro athletes do for little kids. I want a pinball summer camp for me to learn how to play better, to amp up my skills. So, Mike, I don't know. It's harder to play under the bright lights. Yeah. Get the lights on you. There's like seven people watching. The pressure. Uh-huh. But we're going to do it again. Maybe we'll invite some friends over to play along too. And then Dustin left a nice comment there. Like he watched it after the fact and said he'd like to see us enjoying our Jaws 50th. So thank you, Dustin. Yes. He listens. We have a new friend, Seth, who joined and he was on for a really long time. Seth from Montana. That was cool. Yeah. We don't have our timer going. Oh, shit. We're just going to wing this on the time, I guess. We usually do about 30 minutes. This one could go longer. I don't know. Where do you want to start on this topic? Okay. So, well, one other thing we did this week that Mike is so excited about this. I just want to get in the music pins. We're going to get there. We did something yesterday. So on our drive yesterday, we took a little field trip out to Attica, Indiana, and we went to Pinball on Perry, which is pretty awesome. Cool collection of games and like all the best games, all the best versions of everything. All the Sterns are LEs. All the Jersey Jacks are CEs. And we decided to go out there yesterday because they have not only the Evil Dead, which we went and played there a few months ago, but they also have the new Dune and the sexy Alice in Wonderland. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland with the sexy ladies. Sexy Alice. That one seemed pretty cool, but it rebooted on us midway through the... Yeah, I think they... You said there's a code update. There's a code update that they just haven't applied yet, so there's a few weird things happening. But I've got to say, the game is gorgeous. Really, really pretty. It's a super pretty game. So that was really fun. So we had a great time there. We spent a couple hours. We saw our friend Tom Eaton. Yeah, Tom Eaton. I think he listens sometimes. Tom played in our tournament here. We weren't expecting to see him. And I was flipping and stuff. I was like, isn't that Tom? I'm like, yeah, it is. So that was cool. Yeah. I crushed their leaderboards on some games. Mike wasn't playing any of the games that we don't have at home, basically. He just needed to get on their juicy leaderboard. I played Evil Dead twice. I played Dune twice. I played Alice the one time, and it rebooted. I'm like, it's enough of that. And then the leaderboard scores are so juicy. I'm like, I'm just playing these games I have at home. I got the number one score on their Uncanny X-Men. I got number one on their Mandalorian. Don't have that yet, but maybe soon. Got number one score on Rush. We don't have that one. And I got the number one on The Black Knight, Sword of Rage. Yeah, Mike was really busy. Meanwhile, I was playing everything we don't have, and that was really super fun. And I have to say, my expectations on Dune were pretty low. I'm not a gigantic fan of The Labyrinth, although I love the movie, and maybe my expectations were too high for that one, but I just didn't really dig it. I didn't even play that one yesterday, but he has that. But for Dune, my expectations were very low. I don't really like the theme, but I really enjoyed that game. It was pretty fun. Yeah, it shoots way better than Labyrinth, in my opinion. Yeah. Like, it's just better than Labyrinth. I just wanted to keep putting in more quarters and hitting the start button. Dune's better than Labyrinth. You heard it here. Hot. Like, a lot better. But I don't know, because we watched the Electric Bat podcast, and they had a Dune at the Electric Bat in Arizona. and they had some issues with it. They had to send it back. So I don't know what's the deal there, but the one we played yesterday worked real good. It was nice. Yeah. It was really, really nice. So we had about an almost two-hour drive out to Attica, Indiana, and during that time we were brainstorming topics that we could do on this here podcast. And one of them was really, like you said, sparked by Chad's comment, and it's all about music. pins and we kind of took things in a few different directions and mike i haven't even given you this but this is the list okay these are like the modern ones right well this is all of all music pins this is what all of them because i don't really care about the 70s and 80s ones i don't want to rank those no we're not going to rank them but we're gonna we're still gonna we're i'm gonna read this list anyways i mean they started in the 70s with the music pins yeah this is your list okay because if you want to scribble some notes you can but in the 70s according to AI. Four pinball... They didn't list a couple. I had to edit this list myself. AI is not always right. Not always right. Often wrong. But the Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy, the Elton John one, came out. Ted Nugent, Kiss, Dolly Parton. In the 80s, the Rolling Stones. 90s, the Data East, Guns N' Roses, the Who's Tommy Ball... Tommy Pinball Wizard. In the 2000s, Elvis, 2010's A New Rolling Stones, ACDC, Metallica, Kiss, Aerosmith, The Beatles, Iron Maiden. And then in the 2020s, we got Led Zeppelin, Jersey Jack's Guns N' Roses, Rush, Jersey Jack, Elton John, Foo Fighters, and the reissue of Metallica. Do you think there's anything missing from this list? There's probably something missing from this list. So don't like get up in our business. Don't get all squawky. Yeah, don't get all squawky if we missed one. Just let us know. But looking at this list and then Chad's comment, and I know he wants a Black Sabbath pin. Which would be cool. Would be great, but, and this list kind of confirms, it would be great to have a Black Sabbath pin, but do we need another boomer band music pin? They're all boomer bands aside from a couple. and then we kind of debated like is iron maiden a boomer band i say no i think kind of yes i think no i think older gen x old gen x but also boomers it's kind of boomer adjacent it's a boomer adjacent band they're boomer adjacent maybe but if we if we start in the modern era like let's just say in the 2000s. Elvis, Boomer. Boomer. Rolling Stones. Boomer. Boomer. ACDC. Boomer. Metallica, X. Gen X, I guess. Metallica. Kiss. But Metallica started in the 80s. Yeah, I know. I was in high school in the 80s. Yeah. Okay. I give you Gen X on that Kiss is Boomer I feel like it a little both Kiss is boomers I think it a little both I mean I was a Kiss fan I guess as a little kid I say that a mixed bag there It's a mix. But still, like, it's for people, like... Older. 50. Like, we'd be on the young side of the Kiss fans. True. The majority. True. So if it's like, if you're older than me, if you're like an old Gen X, you're like a boomer to me. So I'm calling that a boomer. Rude. Well. It's not true. I don't think that. Oh, I do. I don't. Ageism. Oh, my God, Mike. All right, Aerosmith, I'm going to say Boomer. Aerosmith, Boomer. Beatles, Boomer. All the way, Boomer. Iron Maiden, I'm going to say X. Okay. Zeppelin. Boomer. Guns N' Roses. X. Yes. Rush. Boomer. Yeah, Rush is kind of a mix, but. Is it? I mean, Rush is just Rush. I love that pinball machine. I do not like Rush at all. but we'll give we'll we'll give rush to the boomers you keep them okay elton john boomer foo fighters x maybe even millennial maybe maybe millennials uh you might be right about that fans probably there's probably some like the millennials were like in the in high school in like the late 90s yeah so all right and then metallica again x but it's the same thing so So on this list, from the 2000s on, we've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 X. Six Gen X-Pins and how many Boomers? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Eight Boomers. So it's like actually more even than I thought it was. But the thing is, it's just like a lot of old bands. and then it got me thinking at least for rock music past the 90s because of the way music is ingested now like it used to be radio in radio you had MTV so there could be these bands that are massive across millions of people all different kinds of people because you hear the radio there's the band Now it's like there's YouTube, there's TikTok, all kinds of streaming services. You don't need to have a record label to put music out there. And for rock especially, since the 90s, there has not been a rock band big enough to have a pinball machine. I mean, Foo Fighters got one. And you could say Foo Fighters is that big because of Nirvana, I think, which was a 90s band. I would disagree with you on this because maybe I'm wrong. There is a gal that works for me who is a huge, huge fan of Nirvana, but obviously not that big. Yeah. And Foo Fighters and had no idea that Dave Grohl was in Nirvana and like consumes a lot of music, which is mind blowing to me that she didn't know that. Well, let's say they wouldn't have had the opportunity to be that big without Nirvana. Probably true. Because they're not that great. I love the pinball machine, but like Foo Fighters is not that good to be that big. I'm sorry. Like they're just not that good. The truth comes out. Nirvana was very good. Much better than the Foo Fighters. had Dave Grohl not come from like the biggest rock band in the world he is not given the opportunity to take the Foo Fighters to where they went okay my opinion okay yeah well anyways the pinball machine very good great fighters that's all right it's a great pinball machine yeah but I would also say that I'm not saying I'm buying it but Green Day also huge. Running around selling... It started in the 90s. That's what I'm saying. Since the 90s. Oh, since the 90s. So there's not like a 2010s rock band that's big enough for a pin. What about like the Killers, not big enough? Nobody's buying a Killers pinball. Okay. I like the early Killers stuff, but like that's what, that sells 500 maybe? Yeah. Well, I mean, rock is kind of not cool. So do we need a music pin that's not rock? I think so. Do we need a non-rock? Does there need to be like a Taylor Swift music pin? I mean, that would be crazy. Probably very expensive. I'm not really a Taylor Swift. I'm not a Swifty. Me neither. I'm not against her. I just don't. It doesn't. I'm not in that target demographic, I don't think. Yeah. I like what she's doing. And I think that a Taylor Swift pinball machine would probably do really well. Probably. If you want to get people into pinball that weren't previously, Taylor Swift would probably be the deal. Yeah. Dads will buy them for their daughters. Yeah. So if you make it like a kick-ass machine and you've got the dads that want to have a pinball machine, maybe they haven't been allowed to yet. But now the wife and the daughters all want the Taylor Swift pinball machine. There you go. That's a way to bring them into the fold. like I'm probably not a buyer but if it's great I mean I have a lot of themes we've got a lot of themes we don't care about but we like the game if the game was great who do you think would design it I feel like Taylor Swift would be a Jersey Jack yeah maybe our guy Sidon could do that one that'd be super cool I think that could be we didn't mention that in the card no that's just kind of off the cuff here But, yeah, they're just – every band that somebody says there needs to be a pinball for this band, that band, it's like old bands. And I'm going to present another – a new idea for a music theme that is also old bands. Are you going to wait until your dream theme? Maybe. Should we wait until the dream theme? Is it a dream theme for you? I think it would be pretty cool. I think it would be really cool. I think it would be pretty badass. But it's going to be 90s bands versus 80s bands. It could be anything. I feel like the 90s are really underrepresented here. Of these bands, they all pretty much started in the 80s, except for the Foo Fighters and maybe Guns N' Roses. When was the first? They were in the 80s. They were when I was in high school. Were they late 80s? Yeah, late 80s. So there's one 90s band, Pinball Machine, and it's the Foo Fighters. It's not even one of the best 90s bands. It's like a mid. I mean, they were huge. They are huge. I guess. They're one of the biggest rock bands in the world today, but that doesn't mean they're any good. Sorry if you love the Foo Fighters. I don't hate the Foo Fighters. Like, they're pretty good. I was talking about, I was saying that Guns N' Roses was huge. Guns N' Roses, but didn't they start in the 80s? Yeah. So that's an 80s band. Okay. Yes. And Metallica started in the 80s, yeah? I think in the early 80s, maybe. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, we don't have any really modern folks, but did I mention Green Day? Like, would you buy a Green Day pin? No. And here's, that's the problem, is even those 90s bands that got huge, there's no one band, like, big enough. There's no one band big enough. Like, who was huge? Green Day. I don't think that sells. Blink-182. Nah. Smashing Pumpkins. I don't think that's on. but there's something you can do I'm going to say it later in my dream theme I think there's something you could do here to make it sell and it's not just one band so should we just do the dream theme early? maybe let's do that now so Mike tell me what is your dream theme then so you do the theme it's not a band there's like two ways you could do this one would be you do like a 100 Remember MTV's 120 Minutes? I loved it, yes. Where they played all alternative rock. There was alternative rock and punk. There was some hip-hop in there once in a while, but they had MTV raps for that. But Run-D.M.C. was in there. The Beastie Boys were in there. Yeah, it was like a place where you discovered new music. So you do MTV's 120 Minutes pinball, and you have all those bands, because they're all big, but none of them are big enough for a pinball. So you have like the Pixies are in there. Whoa. Dinosaur Junior is in there. New Order is in there. The Smiths, The Cure, a band I'm about to recommend their music. The Replacements are in there. You could put Smoking Pokes in there. We were on 120 Minutes in 1995. And I was thinking last night you could even do for the modes or the songs you pick, you could pick which year. I meant to look up what year's 120 Minutes ran through. It ran a long time. It ran a long time. So maybe you pick like a year or like 91 to 93 And I probably picking 91 because 91 had like a great Pixies album and had a good replacement had a good Dinosaur Junior And so every year you pick has like five songs. So how does the game work? I haven't gotten that far. Okay. Who makes this? This has to be Stern. Has to be. I think music pins have to be Stern, even though Elton John's really good. Well, you just gave Taylor Swift a Jersey Jack. Okay, rock music pins. Okay. Because Swift is like flashy. Yeah, she's got sparkles. She's got sparkles. Like Jersey Jack with their lighting, I feel like gives you the Swift experience. But if I think rock music pin, it's like stern. And like 120 minutes is like moody. Moody and gritty. Yeah, this is a stern one. I didn't think about who would design it. You could get those cool expression lights, though. Expression lights would be badass. Uh-huh. Yeah. Maybe, and 120 Minutes had a few different hosts. Mm-hmm. So maybe it's, you start, like, Evil Dead, you can pick which movie you're going to pick. Maybe with 120 Minutes, you can pick the host. That's kind of fun. And I don't remember how many hosts they had, at least two. and you can pick the host and then the song selections are songs that got played when that guy was the host of the show yeah get some audio clips of that guy or a gal audio and video for your lcd i don't think they ever had a woman host we'll have to look that up i don't think they ever did i know like matt pinfield was the host for a bit right maybe and then there was the other guy before him. Pinfield wasn't the first guy. If you know... Let us know. Let us know. I didn't really research this enough, but I just thought, 120 minutes, this is how we can get a lot of these bands. You could put Superdrag in there. That'd be cool. Yeah, Superchunk. Superchunk. So many options, and a lot of these bands would not be crazy expensive to license the music. Especially some of them that were just kind of one-hit wonders. You could put Buffalo Tom in there. you know it'd be fun yeah i mean you could put nine inch nails in there another thing you could do i i hate to present this as an option because it kind of ruined video gaming but what you could do with the pin like that or with the pin like the beatles because the beatles has like five or six songs my one knock on the beatles like not enough songs if stern wanted to go that this route you could have like expansion packs for the game that we could buy. That'd be cool. It kind of ruined video gaming. Having to pay for expansion packs? Having to pay for if you do shooters, like get these map packs. Because I feel like it leads to the developer releasing a game that's like not done. And then you have to pay more to get the done game. Right. But I still think it's probably a really good business model. Do you want to stay in business? Well, it probably just covers like a fraction of the – it depends on how many pins you sell and who actually – like what percentage of owners would get the expansion. And I feel like the licensing – I know the licensing of that music, even single songs, is not cheap. These bands would be cheap. define cheap? I don't even know. I mean, you could license a smoking Pope song real cheap. Or give Stern Need You Around for like $1,000. You want Need You Around? I'd have to talk to Josh about this, but you want to put Need You Around on the 120 Minutes pinball, $1,500. That would get it done. That's awesome. And you can make those pins in perpetuity. Oh, my gosh. Okay. But I think a lot of these bands would be not very expensive for like a song. Well, I think it's super fun. And I think, you know, I know Stern, it seems like they're always looking for ways to bring new folks into the hobby. And this last year for Record Store Day, they did the album for the Black Knight Sword of Rage music, which I can't remember who the guy is that did that music. I think it's a guy from Anthrax. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. But this would be cool to have an album as part of your licensing deal that you release the album on Record Store Day and get in front of a whole new group of people, I think would be really cool. Yeah. I mean, and for, you know, this is a punk show, like on your 120 Minutes pin, you can have Bad Religion on there. They were in there. I think NoFX was on 120 Minutes at one point. Lots of epitaph stuff. So it's like total underground punk and indie. Now, counter to that, you could also do a Headbanger's Ball. You could do a Headbanger's Ball pin. Get some Lita Ford in there? Get some Lita Ford. A lot of people like Megadeth. They're not big enough to have a machine. You could even get some of the Cockrock-like poison could be on there. Were they in Headbanger's Ball? I think they were in Headbanger's Ball, yeah. Really? Yeah. And like Rat. Oh, my God. Yeah, Rat was definitely on there. rat was on there what slayer scorpions slayer that'd be cool yeah so like for the metal heads if you're a metal head there's a headbangers ball pin and for like the alt rock people you got your 120 minutes pin and that's like not dependent on like people being fans of this one band it's like fans of a genre and it's kind of cool because if to package it into that mtv property is kind of cool so it isn't just a um you know a what do you call an unlicensed theme yeah it's still licensed it has some credibility it has nostalgia that way too that's kind of fun yeah because i would think the type of music they played 120 minutes is often referred to as college rock before alternative rock had the name alternative rock it was called college rock so i would assume a lot of those people, since they were going to college, have money now because they had college degrees because they were rocking in college. Lemonheads, you put them in there. REM. REM. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, let's get that going. Let's get that MTV's 120 Minutes pinball machine. Let's get that going. And a Headbangers ball one for the metalheads out there. Let's do both of those. Let's do both of those. Do a combo deal with the licensing. Stern, make this happen because I think this is actually a great idea. I think so, too. I'd get it. Who would design it, though? I didn't really think that far. I mean, my go-to is just John Borg. He could just design everything and that would be cool. Oh, my God. You have a crush on John Borg. Love John Borg. Love John Borg. Who's going to make a better college rock pin? I might give Keith Elwin one of these. I feel like he's the right age. I do like Keith Elwin. I like Keith Elwin, but I like shooting John Borg pins better than I like shooting Keith Elwin pins. It's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. Keith Elwin gave us Jaws. He did, and we love him for that. I love that. And his pins are really good. I think if you got like peak Brian Eddy, he could do okay. That'd be cool. Brian Eddy I think is a little more up and down but I do like I like Venom, I like Stranger Things I mean Steph once maybe here's what we do John Borg does the Headbangers Ball one yeah and then Elwyn does the 120 Minutes one okay I love it thoughts on art? You know who I would love to see do art for the 120 Minutes one? I mean, you have all these assets from MTV. Yeah. But I was thinking about it because I couldn't sleep last night, so I was thinking about a lot of this stuff. Because I thought, like, how cool would a Dinosaur Jr. pinball machine look? Super cool. Because Jay Maskus does all that art. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. so why don't we get Jay Maskus from Dinosaur Junior to do like the the play field maybe he works with like a Franchi somebody that's done pinball because I don't know if Jay Maskus is a pinballer but have Jay Maskus at least kind of like concept it out and like come up with the colors and some he draws his weird stuff that'd be a really I think it could look really cool uh-huh but you might want somebody like a Franchi with like a little more pop that could like polish it up Yeah that knows what he doing He knows his way around a pinball play field Yeah That a fun idea And then for the Headbangers ball one who did the art for the new Metallica I don even know I don know but I like it Whoever did that. Headbangers Ball. Does Headbangers Ball. Whoever did the Metallica remake. I think these could be two pretty big sellers. Yeah. I think. I mean, I don't see the data that I'm sure Stern looks at, like IRI data of people who like pinball also like these other things. They have to like either Headbangers Ball or 120 Minutes. Yeah, it was. They have to be one of those two. Like 90% of them have to like one of those two things. I know there's our tech friend, Ryan White, like wants there to be a Jimmy Buffett machine, which I would hate, but I think it would probably do pretty good. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because his fans are crazy and they have a lot, his fans have a lot of money. in the 90s I used to sling them $20 pizzas this is in like 1994 a $20 pizza what would that be today? $50? maybe and they'd be buying those from noon till midnight just eating Pizza Hut pizza thousands and thousands of dollars worth of Pizza Hut pizza at Poplar Creek Music Theater sold by me and then sometimes they'd forget they're changing I would keep that which was fun as a 16 year old okay the drunken uh parrot heads so i'm thinking pinball people are probably either headbangers ball 120 minutes or in that kind of parrot head and maybe some of those folks also like elton john yeah like that kind of stuff but to me that's boomer it's real boomery and we're hit we're not hitting boomers here we're hitting like gen x we're trying to get gen xers to buy the pin And I know that there's lots of parrot heads that are Gen Xers and probably millennials and greatest generation, but I feel like the bulk of their fans have got to be boomers. So we're just going to put that one. On the buffet? Yeah. Yeah. The buffet goes on the back burner. Yeah, because we're trying to get away from boomer. We're trying to graduate from boomer music pins because I think there's been enough. Enough's enough. Enough's enough. But, I mean, a Sabbath pin would be great. A Sabbath pin would be great, and yesterday we were talking about, like, I mean, we would be excited about a Fleetwood Mac pin. Fleetwood Mac pin, I'd be into it. Thin Lizzy. Yeah, I mean, there's still plenty of great music. Yeah. But... But let's do something, like, this is not young, but, like, let's target, like, the people in their late 40s. I also feel like there is, I mean, most, well, all of these are some kind of rock. I mean, Dolly Parton is country. but it would be really interesting and i am not really super familiar with the the genre just didn't hit for me but there is no hip-hop and i i wonder if that's based in data yeah i don't know like would like a wu-tang pin do good it seems like it would my son thinks a dead mouse pin would be pretty cool could be and that's like a whole different that's like i don't know what you call that genre just like electronic i think so i feel like the dead mouse pin could look really cool super because his whole aesthetic and like you have crazy lights that'd be another one i think would be a jersey jack dead mouse really yeah with the lights and like the bigger screen do like because he does crazy stuff yeah i mean super visual and he is gigantic like he's huge i mean i would i would want to play it but i just want this headbangers ball in the 120 minutes pin to get done first yeah and then we can grow it we got to do that yeah i dig it so with that i've got a music recommendation for everybody and this ties into my 120 minutes theme the band is called the replacements the album is called don't tell a soul it's my favorite replacements album this album was really pissed off a lot of the uh hardcore replacements fans of the day it's kind of like a sellout album controversial pick there's a remixed version out there don't listen that sucks compared to this this one is mixed perfectly in my opinion i think it's mixed by chris lord One of the best music mixers to ever live. Sounds phenomenal. But this is like their sellout record, and I love it. Because I usually love a band's sellout record. Because their earlier replacement stuff was much more kind of raw, and especially the very early stuff. They were a punk band at one time. And this is like college rock right here. Yeah, this was on 120 Minutes. This was on 120 Minutes. The song I'll Be You, right? That was the big hit off of this. Yep. But give that one a shot. It's a great album. Probably a song or two from this on the 120 Minutes pinball machine. Should be. Should be. You've got to have the replacements on there. Like, if you can't get the replacements, just don't even do it. The only band I think would pose an issue making this machine is probably the Smiths. Oh, God, it would never happen. Because Morrissey is a jackass. That would never happen. He probably won a million dollars or something. Or more. Like, he used to be kind of sort of cool, and now he's just like a dumbass. Yeah, he's the worst. I still love the Smiths. I can't not love the Smiths. Me too, and I do like that first Morrissey album. And the first Morrissey album's great. Maybe the first two. First few. And we toured with him in 1997, and it was like one of the most impactful tours for my band. Like, we still have people that come to see us, but like, man, he turned... into a real... Yeah, it's just not cool. He's not cool anymore, but I like his old music. And that was a different guy. It's the same like... People change. Like John Lydon, Johnny Rotten is kind of like a tool now, but he was a different guy. When they were kids, they were different guys. People change. People can change. He didn't used to be a piece of shit, but now he is. It's kind of the reverse. He used to be a piece of shit, not anymore. but they flipped it yeah those guys but I still like the Smiths yeah me too but I just think Morrissey would be a total tool over trying to license a Smiths song yeah don't even bother $500,000 a million dollars don't even bother probably don't bother send them an offer of what you can afford and they'll say no and then keep on moving they can check the list get New Order in there and that'll be fine yeah New Order would be great Robert Smith is super cool in The Cure. I bet he'd deal. You get a couple of cool Cure songs. Yeah. Because he's super cool. I'd want some Depeche Mode. Depeche Mode would be great. Like Robert Smith, The Cure still has pretty cheap concert tickets. Really? Yes, by comparison. Huh. Yeah, he's like real cool. Let's do it. I'd buy a Cure pinball machine. I just don't know if they're big enough. So we need 120 minutes to get The Cure. and think of the light show, Mike Vinikour, like think of your expression lights for some of those songs, like the Fascination Street. You got Fascination Street by the Cure in there. Think of the lights on there you could do. Yeah. Awesome. Well, that one's free. Next one we'll talk nickels and dimes. First one's always free. That one's free. First one's always free. Then we talk nickels and dimes. Okay, Stern, I'm keeping along. this total inside humor uh yes yes it is um i feel like our friend chad was like the predecessor to i think you should leave yeah i think he was too maybe those guys found chad's twitter and like we need to make show out of this it is entirely possible this is he did uh some pretty hilarious stuff pre-covid on twitter and i think he's friends with some of those guys like i think some of them were following him so it might be true that might be funny man from milwaukee so Do we want to rank some of these? Should we rank some music pins? We're getting long here. Well, should we maybe like make it – Should that be next episode? Should we make it as a part two? Let's do it as a part two. Music part two. Because we also – you know what else we didn't do? What didn't we do? The U-Choose. We didn't do a U-Choose, but we're at 35 minutes, and we care about your time. So let's cut this. We'll cut this one? Yeah. We'll wrap it up? Wrap it up. And then maybe we'll do two episodes this week? Okay. Maybe this one comes out Monday, tomorrow. I mean, it's early enough right now on a Sunday that I can edit these and have them ready before I leave. So this one's going to be a Monday show. For Thursday, look for part two. Okay. See you Thursday. See you. Mike, cut it. Okay, so just stop that.