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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TMNT) Pinball Gameplay w/ Dwight Sullivan, TMNT Software Engineer

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TL;DR

Stern TMNT pinball gameplay with software engineer Dwight Sullivan showcases beta code and design insights.

Summary

Flip n Out Pinball hosts gameplay and discussion of Stern's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pinball machine with Dwight Sullivan, the game's software engineer. Sullivan demonstrates new beta code (v1.044) featuring scoring balance changes and a new 10% per-level score multiplier mechanic. The stream includes rules overview, gameplay with 2v1 challenges, and behind-the-scenes discussion of TMNT's design process, voice acting (8 actors, 17 voices), and development timeline (started ~February 2018, coding began September 2019).

Key Claims

  • New beta code 1.044 adds 10% score multiplier per level up (max 30% at level 4)

    high confidence · Dwight Sullivan explaining new code features during gameplay demonstration

  • TMNT development started roughly two Februaries ago (c. February 2018), with coding beginning in September 2019

    high confidence · Dwight Sullivan discussing development timeline

  • Eight voice actors performed 17 total voices in TMNT

    high confidence · Dwight Sullivan confirming voice actor count during gameplay

  • Limited Editions (LEs) are nearly or completely finished production, Pros may run another small batch

    medium confidence · Steve Eadie and Dwight discussing production status; Dwight non-committal on LE completion

  • TMNT had a left-ramp toy that was removed because it couldn't be made to work reliably

    high confidence · Dwight Sullivan explaining design changes from concept to final product

  • New experimental rule allows stacking 1-2-3 with episode modes without shutting out either

    high confidence · Dwight Sullivan demonstrating beta code changes during gameplay

  • Premiums have not yet been manufactured; production order was LEs first, then Pros

    medium confidence · Steve Eadie and Dwight discussing production sequence

  • Josh Clay is the lead animator for TMNT, responsible for art consistency across the game

    high confidence · Steve Eadie and Dwight discussing Josh Clay's role in the project

Notable Quotes

  • “I brought code that's newer than anyone has seen. Literally, we just swapped the flash card like 15 minutes ago.”

    Dwight Sullivan @ ~5:00 — Emphasizes exclusivity of beta code being shown; signal of active development and rapid iteration

  • “Each level is going to add 10% score to every score across the board... That's huge. That layer is really key to building on.”

    Dwight Sullivan @ ~12:00 — Key gameplay mechanic change in new code; addresses community feedback about training motivation

  • “I have the whole game in my head when I'm working on it... The game speaks to you.”

    Dwight Sullivan @ ~45:00 — Designer philosophy on maintaining code complexity and pacing intuition

  • “This game had a toy on the left ramp that we could never make work... all of the rules associated with that toy went out the window.”

    Dwight Sullivan @ ~50:00 — Design constraint leading to rule cuts; illustrates prototype-to-production divergence

  • “I've written out the rules in Google Docs maybe a hundred times over the last seven months because I write them, and then I massage them, and then I change them, and I update them.”

    Dwight Sullivan @ ~43:00 — Reveals iterative design process and documentation methodology for rule complexity management

Entities

Dwight SullivanpersonSteve EadiepersonBill WebbpersonJosh ClaypersonZach SharpepersonNicolepersonMark StilespersonGary SternpersonStern PinballcompanyFlip n Out PinballcompanyTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TMNT) Pinball

Signals

  • ?

    code_update: Dwight Sullivan demonstrates new beta code v1.044 featuring scoring balance changes and 10% per-level multiplier mechanic

    high · Dwight: 'I brought code that's newer than anyone has seen. Literally, we just swapped the flash card like 15 minutes ago.' and 'we're going to play like so what's released to the world is 1.04 and tonight we're playing 1.044'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Dwight describes maintaining game complexity through mental model, Google Docs rule documentation (rewritten ~100 times over 7 months), whiteboard planning, and playtesting feedback

    high · Dwight: 'I have the whole game in my head... I've written out the rules in Google Docs maybe a hundred times over the last seven months... writing them out is a good exercise because it tells you where you might have problems'

  • ?

    design_innovation: New experimental rule allowing 1-2-3 modes to stack with episode modes without mutual exclusion

    high · Dwight: 'You can stack 1, 2, 3 with, you know, with going for episodes... So starting 1, 2, 3 doesn't shut you out of starting an episode. That's experimental on this code.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Left ramp toy was removed entirely due to reliability/manufacturability issues; associated rules were cut from final game

    high · Dwight: 'This game had a toy on the left ramp that we could never make work... all of the rules associated with that toy went out the window and are almost not in the game at all now'

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: TMNT production order: Limited Editions running/nearly complete, followed by Pros (possible second batch), Premiums not yet in production

Transcript

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0:00
you Thank you. What is up, pinballing? What up, everybody? Happy Monday. Happy Monday night, pinball. I am your host, Steve Eadie. Along with me, we have Bill Webb and our special guest of the evening, Dwight Sullivan from Stern Pinball.
9:32
How's it going, boys? Hey, how's it going? Hey, Dwight's our first guest. Dwight is our first guest. And you know what? Let me go do a little camera adjustment to get Dwight a little bit more of the picture here. I don't know. Give me a quick second. I don't need to be in the picture. In fact, I need like three more face masks. We got like a Unabomber in here. This might not even be Dwight. Yeah, well, you know, you probably got flagged on some... I paid a guy. Yeah. I paid a guy to come sit for me. There we go. Monday night pinball That's better Thank you for making it out tonight man I appreciate it I'm already having fun It's going to be a good time Well we're not having fun We ain't doing it right man Let's do it twice We can do it twice What is up Lord Helmet What is up Mrs. Lord Helmet What's up Calbasa Lord Helmet is Mrs. Lord Helmet Austin? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, there's a Lord Helmet and a Ms. Lord Helmet. You think they're married? Yes. All right. There's a good chance. Yeah, they live north of Florida or something. Yes. They're on the northeast coast. I learned, like, you made all kinds of plans to go down there or something. We thought about it. We were chatting last week. Yeah, we were all chatting. Yep, yep, yep. What's up, Courtney? Power Captain Redditor! Courtney. North Florida.
10:53
So, yeah, Dwight, thanks again for coming out, man. Dwight's here to kind of show off the new Turtles game Yeah, I did and I brought new code I brought code that's newer than anyone has seen Literally, we just swapped the flash card like 15 minutes ago So, did we flip a game? Did you flip a game just to make sure everything was up and good? It's fine We're good with the flash card, it's fine I flipped it at home and then I brought the card with me Gotcha Nice Gotcha, gotcha So your USB update that's just updating that flash card, correct? Yeah Okay That's another way we could have done it, but it was easier just to make the card and then swap them out. Yep. No, I like that. Thank you, Zach and Nicole, for allowing us to do this. And thank you, Zach, for giving me the code earlier to update, and then we just wiped it out.
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medium · Steve: 'It's impossible to get because you're running LEs and pros first.' Dwight: 'I might run another small round of pros.' Steve to Zach: 'when are you sending your LE?'

  • ?

    product_strategy: LE and Pro editions prioritized; Premium production delayed, creating scarcity and FOMO among collectors seeking full-featured version

    medium · Steve: 'the premiums, I think, are hard to get still. Well, not hard to get. It's impossible to get because you're running LEs and pros first.' Zach acknowledges LEs are 'close to dying' production-wise

  • ?

    content_signal: Flip n Out Pinball securing exclusive streaming access to unreleased beta code v1.044, positioning content as early-access and differentiated

    high · Dwight: 'I brought code that's newer than anyone has seen.' Stream hosted as exclusive gameplay reveal of beta mechanics

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Josh Clay identified as lead animator for TMNT; responsible for art direction and consistency across team of multiple artists

    high · Steve: 'Josh Clay, lead. He's a rising star... he's very, very talented... The main thing there is, you know, like he looks at every piece of art that goes in the game, and he tries to make it consistent.'

  • ?

    historical_signal: TMNT began conceptual phase ~February 2018, coding started September 2019, representing ~18-month pre-code design phase before software engineering commenced

    high · Dwight: 'we started thinking about the game maybe two February's ago... and then last, maybe just over, about a year ago or so, maybe... About August or so is when I had, I actually started writing code in September'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: TMNT features 8 voice actors performing 17 distinct character voices, indicating significant investment in voice-driven narrative and character branding

    high · Dwight: 'There were eight actors doing the sevens and eights' / Steve: 'There are 17 voices in the game... For the drink!'

    • 11:40
    Right. That's okay. Sorry, Zach. It's updated for next week. We're good. Yeah, we're good. We're in the latest code, so we're looking forward to it. This code has some scoring balances and a couple other things. Okay. It's kind of neat. Excelente.
    11:56
    Excelente. So, I know last week we were talking about tacos. We've got to go straight to the... That's important. Tacos. Very important. Bill and I always start the night out talking about tacos or burritos. Well, on Thursday, though, we are doing tacos. You've got to figure out how to miss Banders. Exactly. Get out of Banders. So, we move tacos to Thursday. I mean, you start this at dinnertime, so no wonder you're talking about food. I'm always hungry.
    12:18
    I'm always hungry. I eat all day long. Alright, so we're doing tacos next week No, I thought it was this Thursday If you're coming in No, right, right, right, this Thursday This Thursday Because I got a plan for that Let me shuffle some things around We got a plan for that Alright, what's the plan? The plan is to get the pastor tacos I was talking about And get the steak tacos Which means I'm going to meet you guys there Two different places Wait, wait, you're going to pick up tacos and bring them? I thought we were just getting burritos We are getting burritos from El Paraiso They're too big to eat more than just the burrito and the taco. Then you bring it home.
    12:54
    It's fine. Either you're right or whatever. Trust me. All right. Let's either that or we drive a long way. We should talk about pinball. Yeah, we should talk about pinball. Sorry for getting off track there. So anyways, I don't know. Dwight, you want to go over just a quick overset of rules? Because I could have used that last week when Bill and I were kind of... We were experiencing things out. Yeah. Have you played since last week? Because you didn't know much last week. I have not played a game since last week. All right. So we were just picking it apart last week, and I figured maybe you can go over some things tonight. So there's a lot to talk about then. Sure. You push start and you choose a turtle. Each turtle has a different path. You start off at level one, and you work your way up through the levels by training. But training is kind of difficult because you have to shoot into the lair, and people are learning that that's a difficult shot. I'm probably going to fail on it like every single time tonight, But my secret is you shoot the underside of the flipper up by the axle. So you flip the left flipper, you trap up on the right flipper, right? And then you aim for the upper left flipper but near the top. Okay. And then as soon as you hit it, you let go of the upper left flipper and catches the ball. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, I didn't make that shot a lot last week. I didn't notice that. Right. But if you succeed at training up, I've added in the new code. So what we're playing tonight is beta code. we're going to play like so what's released to the world is 1.04 and tonight we're playing 1.044 awesome like you know it's beta code that like may or may not it may crash it may catch your whole garage on fire yeah we'll throw it out real quick if that happens right you know we got a fire extinguisher standing by actually we have a lot of water bottles we'll be good yeah we'll be open the garage and reel it out and continue the stream that's good Right. So then, but one of the new things I added was if you, as you level up, you're going to gain, like in addition to the other perks that you're going to get, each level is going to add 10% score to every score across the board. So if you're, you know, so if you go to level two, you're going to get 10% more. If you go to level three, you're going to get 20% more. That's huge. Okay. And level four would put you up to 30% more. So that layer is really key to building on. If you want to play it for fun. Right, right, exactly. It adds a little bit more, like, a little bit more reason to go for training. Okay.
    15:21
    There are more reasons in my mind, but, like, I think it was a little bit too esoteric for some. This is much cleaner. I mean, like, so everything that I had is still there, all that esoteric crap.
    15:33
    But can we say crap on... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we say F the F-bomb? You could drop the F here and there.
    15:40
    I don't think it's that great. I'm not going to try. I'm not going to do it on purpose. Yeah, no, the accident might come out. All right, all right.
    15:46
    So you pick a turtle, and each turtle has a different skill set. And, like, Leonardo's is the hardest because he's the lair. Raphael, going clockwise, Raphael is the left ramp. Okay. And then Michelangelo is the parlor, the pizza parlor, you know, just to the right of the left ramp. And then Donatello is the center ramp. so like Raphael is the easiest skill shot to hit and Michelangelo is maybe the second easiest but that under the that pizza parlor shot isn't that hard I mean isn't that easy sometimes and then the center ramp is you know is you know can is very satisfying but you know and that center ramp is that upper kind of I would call it like the upper right yeah so I call it the center ramp but I think I'm in the minority there yeah what do you guys call it the side ramp what yeah The left upper flipper to the right upper ramp is kind of what I was at last week. That's too many words. Yeah. No, I mean, I guess it is the center most ramp. It's just the right. We have a left ramp and we have a right ramp, and this is the one in the middle. Yep. There you go. But a lot of people call it the side ramp. The side ramp. Okay. So we can call it side ramp or center ramp. Whatever flows. I call it side ramp. Whatever flows. Hey, Chad, what's better?
    17:07
    Nobody cares. No, they do. Do they? All right. But you've got to give a second to catch up once you start asking questions. Oh, all right. Because of the time delay. All right. But I did see one question from GT Pike. Are weapons just for score, or do they do anything else? So most things in the game lead toward cowabunga. Like you need one, two, three to get to cowabunga. You need the weapon hurry-up to get to cowabunga. Okay. But weapon hurry-up is also where a lot of points are, especially in co-op, which maybe we can try out tonight. Oh, we definitely need to do that, for sure. All right. So was that the question? That was one question. So we're going with side ramp. Side ramp better than center. Center, in my opinion, says Vex.
    17:49
    Mid-right center ramp, Lord Helmet. Mid-right center ramp. Mid-right center. MRCR. Oh, we could just be a Mr. Kister.
    17:58
    Side ramp. Okay. Center ramp is best. When you were saying center ramp last week, when you were in chat, which, by the way, thank you for chatting it up last week. But I was like, center ramp. Yeah. What are you talking about? You mean the upper right ramp? But you're not the only person to say it. A few other people have been like, I prefer side ramp. You know, that's just far from slow. It's center ramp now. Now it's center ramp. We win. I win.
    18:23
    You always win, Dwight. Speaking of winning, do we want to start a three-player game and watch Dwight kick her butts? We just start a regular game or a 2v1? and we can save 2v1 for later or co-op? 2v1? I was what? No, that's what I challenged you guys to 2v1. Oh, right. Okay. I can take on both of you. That's a team. Here, I'll show you.
    18:47
    You want both of our scores combined to beat your one score? Yeah. All right, let's get a couple of regular games in just for regular play, and then I am totally up for 2v1. I think his best odds are if you start off not knowing or not warmed up. Well, we've got to get warmed up. Dwight, surprise us, man. You're the guest. Are we going to start? Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. And, Chad, let us know how volume is here. Regular game? Regular game. Let's do it, Dwight.
    19:21
    It's actually a ramp. Slappy waste. Yeah, what would that be called in Star Trek? Switch to the game. Thank you, Lord Helmet.
    19:35
    Bazinga! Thanks, y'all. See, the problem is we get so caught up with talking with white about this. You know.
    19:49
    We'll get that every week, though. That's good. I don't know if that's ever going to change, my buddy.
    19:55
    You're here for the entertainment. We're having fun. Hopefully everybody else is having fun with the game. All right, who's player two? Bill! Let's go in order.
    20:08
    Chat, how is the game volume coming in over there? Alright, what are we doing? Alright, what am I supposed to do when I'm back here? Read chat? You can read chat, you can talk chat. You don't necessarily need the headphones. That's just kind of for my...
    20:24
    Hey, is that Josh? Josh or Scott Watson? Where are you at? Who's the kid? Yeah? What's up? Yeah, I know this, uh... My loser kid hat? Yeah? I feel like I'm somebody. What's up, Josh? Only cool people have loser kid hats.
    20:45
    And by the way, we do have Penn Stadiums on here. I haven't turned down a little bit, and I... Let me flip them off in the... Ah! I kinda have them smashed against the glass. I'm not that host.
    20:56
    So the game volume is pretty low in Echoey? Choose your levels. Evermania sounds fine. The game is lower than Voices, but solid mixed levels. Okay, if anything needs to go up or down, just let us know. Emily and Dr. John, what's going on? What are you doing? Hello. I'll see if this looks better on that.
    21:16
    That looks pretty good. Better? I think so. Alright. Yeah, so I was able to actually get that mid-right center shot. You know, that was a little bit of a struggle last week for me, but I didn't have the best approach of hitting it either. You know what I mean? We're still trying to figure this out. Yeah, I failed at the center ramp just now.
    21:53
    So what was the duration for code? How long, you know, did you start to where it's at now? So, we're still working on it. I'm still working on it. And we started maybe, we started thinking about the game maybe two February's ago. Okay. Yeah. So, long before COVID. Oh, yeah. Very before COVID. And then last, maybe just over, about a year ago or so, maybe. Oh, ramp the medicine. Oh, the medicine. Oh.
    22:23
    About August or so is when I had, I actually started writing code in September. Okay. Yeah. All right, so you've got a good amount of time into this, then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it takes a while to make a game. Well, yeah, I mean, look what's in this. Between the voices and animations and the code set, I mean, this isn't a weekend project. No. You know, if it was, that'd be a different story. Is it my turn? Yep, your turn. All right.
    22:52
    Bill, we should have taken that 2v1. I don't know, man. We're going to see. Yeah, I know. I'm Lord Homan. I'll pick it up. I'll pick it up eventually.
    23:05
    Hey, IllusionCat, thanks for the biddies. IllusionCat, thank you so much, man. Appreciate it. Nice. Oh, this is a pro.
    23:15
    This is a pro. Yeah, the premiums, I think, are hard to get still. Well, not hard to get. It's impossible to get because you're running LEs and pros first. That'll do it. So, I think the LEs are almost done from what I was hearing this morning.
    23:36
    Yeah, it sounds like I might run another small round of pros. Yeah. LEs are already outranked? I think all the LEs are done.
    23:48
    I don't even know if Dwight would know that question. Are the LEs done now or do you not? I know they chain you to your desk and you write software. They made me, yeah, they came to a desk in my basement and made me write songs. That's bad. You can't even get that car ride out. Right. You know? They don't even want you in a car anymore. Right, right. It's cut severely into my podcast listening time. Like, I don't, I used to listen to podcasts, you know, for like 80 minutes a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and now I listen to podcasts zero minutes a day, you know, and it's just, you know, once a week or so when I go to the grocery store for like five minutes. So what are you doing with that spare 80 minutes a day you have? I'm working on turtles. You have more time going on turtles. Yeah. My hours went up quite a bit, like, you know, working in the basement. They went from just like bad to worse. Yeah. I know. I get it. Same here. But at least you're home and the wife can scream at you if she needs you. I guess. I mean, that's a good thing. Right. You know.
    24:44
    Where the wife goes right now. You guys can't see facial expressions. You know what's behind these masks. Yeah, that's a good thing. What's up, K. Caruso?
    24:55
    Hey, there's Josh. Oh, Josh Clay. Hey, so Josh Clay. Josh is here, yeah. Yeah, Josh Clay is in the house. Josh! I invited him to come out here, Steve. Um, but he lives, like, in Chicago. Ah, that's not bad. Josh, anytime, man. Lord, help us! Please give us a baby! Woo! Woo! Right. Happy Monday, guys. So, Loser Kid, guys, I'm gonna... When they get their games, they're gonna babysit for me. Awesome. What's, uh... Seriously, these guys are welcome anytime. If you want to come back out and these guys want to come out, please do. That's cool. That's cool with us.
    25:30
    Emily and Dr. John say Turtles not due in Australia until September, sadly. Yeah, it's a month, what's that, a month and a half away. So is that Emily or Dr. John? Or is that, you know, are they connected at the hip? Is that Emily and Dr. John? Right. They're like, you know. Who's the one typing? Who's the one in chat? Dr. John here. All right, he's Dr. John.
    25:55
    Am I winning yet? Two balls and I got both stunner shots. I'll buy it. Cool. Lord Helmet, thank you.
    26:09
    So you're talking about Sister Clay. Josh Clay, lead. He's a rising star. He's a lead animator. Yes. So he's very, very talented, but he leads the group of guys that are very talented. And the main thing there is, you know, like he looks at every piece of art that goes in the game, and he tries to make it consistent. And that's the beauty of having one guy be in charge of all the art. Yeah, so it's all cohesive and everything matches. Yeah, yeah. He's like, well this doesn't really match, because five people are all making artwork, they're all making the turtles and stuff, and sometimes, you know, it has to all look the same. It has to look like it all came from the same artist. Yeah, well, I mean, between that and, I mean, you showed us the, you know, maybe between next game we can pull the list up of all the people that had contributed and worked on this game. Sure. Because that was, I haven't seen it on here, and that was pretty impressive. Yeah, the code is 123 if you know how to do codes. I could do that. Steve, man, your ball's no less for a long. Oh, my gosh. Can you at least get your fair shot? No. No? I didn't either, though, on my last go. Okay, I'm two for two. Are you wrapped? Yeah, I'm wrapped. I'm the center shot, the center ramp shot. Donatello. Yeah, all right. That's the harder one, right? But you get a multi-ball in the right ramp. I like Donnie, yeah. You get a multi-ball in the right ramp with one ball. Quick multi-ball. Okay. All right. I'm going to go play. All right. Let's do this. Boom, boom, boom. I love the tunes.
    27:37
    Oh, but you guys are winning. Like, we were playing teams. Yeah. You guys would be winning. Thanks to Bill.
    27:42
    All right. Dude, those are the two center shots, man. I'd imagine it was. And everybody that's in chat, if you've never heard Mark talk, he can flip it on. He can go from a normal sounding guy to... To anybody.
    28:02
    Without, you know, he's not pausing for anything. He just jumps right in. All right, so getting caught up on chat. Toledo Pinball, 400 games on our pro. Hopefully going to our location this weekend. Great game, Dwight. Yeah, it is a great game. The music is fantastic. The voice is good.
    28:21
    It is definitely very iconic at the time. Let me turn the settings up a bit. Yeah, Mr. Lord Helmet, you want to follow a guy named Mark Silk. He's a great dude.
    28:32
    Lord Helmet is a lot of fun. There we go. Music is good. Boom. You know what, Lord Helmet? between the next game, we're going to run the credits so people can see who did what.
    28:47
    Shut up! Ms. Lord Helmet, you know what? I'd have to say that I'm on board. I would love for him to do my voicemails.
    28:56
    You have reached due. This is out of the office right now. But can it take your voice, though? And do, like, your voicemail and your voice would be pretty great. See, so the craziest thing, Habermania, yeah, I'm not even sure how many there are, but it is crazy. Johnny D21, thanks for the call. Thank you very much. Literally, we were sitting at this table last year for our Epic Tailgate stream for the Pinball Expo, and Mark was literally sitting right next to me. And I said something being a smart aleck, and he goes, this is Casey Kasem. And Bill is being kind of a pain in the butt or whatever, however he said it, but he literally did Casey Kasem on point. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. I literally had chills. Seriously. Chills. I felt like Casey Kasem was in the building. Or possessing Mark at the time, one of the two. So, yeah, very talented guy. If you guys both have outfalls, I'll be out. I'll be focused. Can you guys see the screen very well? The display?
    30:01
    Since I flipped those Penn Stadiums up a little bit, We're getting some players. I want to make sure people can read these scores.
    30:15
    Looks fine. All right. Appreciate it, Dr. John. Yeah, it did do. That's what I noticed. I thought it washed out a little bit. Fortunately, not a whole lot we can do. I can turn the brightness down a little bit.
    30:28
    There are 17 voices in the game. 17 voices. Yeah. All right. I'm going to do it this way. We'll put your video. Turn it down a little bit.
    30:57
    There were six voice actors. Oh. Well, counting the kids in that balloon. There were six, seven, eight.
    31:05
    I think there were eight actors doing the sevens and eights. For the drink! Hey, Birdo. Thanks for the bed, buddy.
    31:15
    Woo! Thanks for the Birdo drinks, Birdo drinks. Ah! It sounds like you're cheering some rewards. Not a health care. Woo! Woo-hoo! Teddy Moat's chair. That's awesome. We still need to build a moat with sunglasses.
    31:37
    All right, turn the brightness down on the screen. I want to look at the little ducks now. All right. I think we got you, Dwight. Yeah, you got me. All right. Maybe 2v1 does not make sense. Because just me versus you, often I lose.
    31:51
    No, not when we play getaway? I've beaten you. Yeah, I know. I have beaten you, but I think we're almost tied. I'll buy that. I mean, we're trying to close. Yeah. So when you plus Steve, I'm never going to beat you. You never... I have a decent ball. Well, try it. Here's what really was the difference this game. I nailed down two of the three skill shots right off the bat and then that multiple. Yeah, I got zero skill shots. I got one skill shot. Yeah, so you have two. I haven't had a skill shot yet.
    32:19
    You need a new teammate, man. You need, like... Hey, you know what? If you don't have people kicking you to help you get better at stuff... Wow. Wow, why would you ever get better? So if kicking is what it takes, I should be great at things.
    32:35
    Listen, if you can't count on your friends to kick you when you're down, then you'd have no reason to get back up.
    32:42
    Okay. But first you need friends. This is true. Or somebody with an extreme disdain. So step one for Dwight, go out and buy friends. You have friends. Oh, all right. You're good on that front. All right, you're right. I have some great friends. Yeah. I do. Ah! Oh, B.D.'s doing great! Look at that! Oh, he's getting... He's killing the... the Ninja Multiball! He started Frenzy because he had a... Oh, Frenzy! So a squid will give you the Frenzy. Okay. Guys, thank you for the mid! Frenzy Ball! Come on! What do you get, 1.7? That's not bad. Uh, he is a little... Oh, he's a little... He's a little... Ah, he is at... No, he got 1.7 in multiball. Oh, okay. He's going to win. He's already winning. Did he beat us both? Yeah. Oh!
    33:37
    I see what you're talking about. Hit that upper part of that upper left. Yeah, I got the... All right, so me and Steve versus you. That's what I think we should do. No, Steve's at like 2.5 million. Right?
    33:49
    You and Steve... Oh, no, but you're going to do better. That's a mark, though. Hey, you know what? I'm down for whatever, man. I am down for whatever. Alright, we'll play co-op. We can do that too. Alright.
    34:00
    We can play our co-op. Oh! Oh! You got it. Training. That was accidental. Shoot right around. New levels add 10%. You guys see that? That's new. I saw that.
    34:13
    So that's a new rule, guys. There's another new rule I'm trying out here that the world might like. You can stack 1, 2, 3 with, you know, with going for episodes. Okay. So starting 1, 2, 3 doesn't shut you out of starting an episode. Okay. Yeah. That's experimental on this code. Well, yeah, because the 1, 2, 3 is on the left in lane. Correct. Okay. Hit layer.
    34:43
    Hit layer to start the cover. So I just hit layer there again? Yeah, layer adds your time. Adds time? Okay. I was fixated on that left ram for sure. Yeah, but if he starts talking to you, hit the lair. Okay.
    34:59
    Just any of those targets. Yep. Any one of those targets. Gotcha. Not get it into the lair. We were talking crap about Steve's playing ability, and here he is smashing us. This happens every week, dude, with him. Him and I can be kind of close, dude, and then he pulls it out on the last one. Yeah. You know, Lord Helmet asked a question, right? How do you keep all of this stuff straight when programming it? That's a great question. I mean... So, I live for it, right? So I love it. So it's easy to keep straight, right? I have the whole thing, like I have the whole game in my head when I'm working on it. And I'm like, oh yeah, this needs to go up a little bit, or this needs to go down a little bit, or these need to stack, or I need the pacing to be bigger. You start putting stuff in the game, and then you play it, and you're like, well, then it starts telling you what to do. The game speaks to you. See, I would have like whiteboards across like, you know, everywhere. Oh. It would look like Yahoo Maps. You know. All right. Here's what I want to do here. No, we have lots of whiteboards. And, you know, every once in a while we fill the whiteboard with stuff. And then I go, and then I take notes. And now you don't have to take notes. You just take your phone and take a snapshot of the whiteboard. And then erase it and start over. And then you can put it in Google Docs. You know, you can paste the picture right into Google Docs and start, you know, start writing out Google Docs. Okay. That's a big part of the process, too, is right from the beginning, I start writing out all the rules. And that's the best answer to a question is, how do I keep it all straight? Because I've written out the rules in Google Docs maybe a hundred times over the last seven months. Because I write them, and then I massage them, and then I change them, and I update them. I'm constantly changing them. And so when I read something that's wrong in the Google Docs, I'm like, oh, yeah. And then writing them out is a good exercise because it tells you where you might have problems. It tells you where, well, first you have to do this, then you have to do that. And then especially before you get a whitewood, before you get a whitewood and you're just sort of guessing at what you might want to do. Like after you get a whitewood, everything changes. Yeah. But before you get a whitewood, you start making plans. And then it's always good to have plans in the beginning that you can then throw out and write the real rules later. Well, yeah, I mean, you never know how a game's going to play or, you know, how you want to implement stuff. But, I mean, you know, that's kind of a great question. Did he get extra ball that fast? I got extra ball.
    37:26
    He's killing it. Sorry. Me and you versus Steve. Yes. That's what I think. Yeah. 2v1. Bill and Dwight versus Steve. I'm down. So, you kind of bring up an interesting question in my head. How drastic, normally, when you go from concept, before you get a white wood to implementation of a final product, how vastly does that change normally? So the broad strokes don't change a whole lot, but sometimes we throw out whole chunks of stuff. Because this game had a toy on the left ramp that we could never make work. We couldn't make it work, so all of the rules associated with that toy went out the window and are almost not in the game at all now. Okay. So, you know, like, you know, that's nothing you can do about it. Well, yeah, I mean, things are going to change in, you know, from prototype to production. Right. You know.
    38:21
    Right. All right. So, you know what? Let's catch up on Chad here because we don't want to ignore him. But, Chris, the pin turn. What's going on, brother? What's up, Chris? Adam's 40. It is a fast-playing pin. Does this play differently than the one at your house or no? So, I have a pro and I think you guys got it a little bit shallower than I have my hand. Okay. So it could be a little steeper. Yeah, a little bit. Interesting. But I don't think it's bad. Okay.
    38:47
    I was just curious because, you know, you've got to ask the guy that... But I mostly play on a premium. Okay.
    38:55
    All right. We'll have to get that. All right. So back to Chet. When's Zach going to get you guys a premium? You guys need a premium. Zach. We're sitting here waiting. Zach, are you listening? Where are you at? Where are you, Zach? We need a premium. You know, we will get a premium. It's just, you know, right now, from what I know, they ran the pros first. Then they were running the LEs. and I think we're close to running the LEs. We're getting close to dying. Right. We haven't even made previews yet. Yeah. So it'll be a little while before we get previews. Zach, when are you sending your LE? I know he's been playing an LE at his place. You know, that's a great point, dude. I'm going to call him up tomorrow and be like, you know what, I don't know if we can stream anymore for Flippin' Out because we don't have the LE to stream. Yeah, yeah. Hey-o! You know, we should just crash this house. We should just drive down there. Let's go! Frank, Mark! Hey, dead car. Woo! We're back, buddy. These hands really like green powder coat. That's how I want to play, on some green powder coat. I'm going to tell them that. These hands like green powder coat. Yeah, you can't play on black powder coat. You've got to be the green. That's very turtle-esque, you know? Oh, man. Oh, you know what? So going back, you said it's 1, 2, 3 for the code, right? It's so dark. Yeah, for the team code. Yes. All right. So guys, if you guys want to pay attention to the screen, can we focus just on that? Yeah, doesn't he seem actually dark to you? Look at that. I can go do it. I can do it. I'm going to give this a shot, Dwight. Do your 4-4-6. We can do 4-4-6. Oh, it flows.
    40:19
    All right, so can we zoom in on just that screen or no? I do not have that capability, Bill. All right, guys, so what I want you to do is I'm going to go up there and hit a couple of flipper codes. Watch the center screen because that will show you who did what on the game. And how many times Mark Stilt goes by. Anyone that's just kind of joining in, Mark Stokes is a lot of the voices in here. Very talented voice actor. Good friend of ours.
    40:47
    Great guy overall. He lives in England, so that poses a problem, but it was no problem at all. He would just call him or talk to him or text him, whatever. I don't think he sleeps. I think you're right. He was instantly back with what we needed. I don't think he sleeps. We put the guy through a lot of hoops. Like we said, no, no, no, that needs to be more like this or that needs to be more like that. We went back and forth with him, and no matter what we said, he just did it. And he's like, no problem, I'll do that. Oh, no problem, I'll do that. So good. One of the nicest guys, and I know his dream was always to do something for pinball, so I'm so happy that it worked out all the ways around.
    41:26
    Just, you know, what a great matchup that was. So I'm going to go ahead and hit these codes real quick, so pay attention to the center screen. Secret flipper code. It's not. It's 1, 2, 3. Dwight, you want to tell them how to do a flipper code? Do a flipper code. Just in case. So he's doing one, two, three. And to do a code in our games, you hold in both flippers. And then you hit the first number with the left flipper. And then you hit enter with the right flipper. And then you hit the second number with your left hand. And then you hit enter with your right hand. One hit. And then you hit the third number with the same again. And then you hit the right one once to enter. And then one more time to say you're done. So right, right at the end. At the end. Yep.
    42:06
    Where we at? Did we get to Mark Stilff yet? Uh, no, not yet. Director of Art, Chuck... ...Nin-nin-di-to-ter. Chuck Merkley. Alex Boer. Voice talent! Here we go! Alright, so here are the turtles. The turtles are... there's three guys that did the four turtles. And then we have Mark Stilff. Jewel did the two girls' voices. And then the Kizzavat Brothers did like three or four voices each. Wow! ...Nin-nin-di-to-ter. Julia? Okay. He did Kayla. The Netuino girl is Kayla. She only has like five lines in the game.
    42:52
    I'm gonna reach out to Mike and see if he wants to come out here and throw down. Now that would be a good game. Which Mike? Vinnie Kors. Cool, yeah. Like me and him versus you two. No, like us three versus him. I've seen him play. Yeah, right. There you go. Maybe he's back to deck and he has deck sharp. He's going to jump on our team. But that's awesome. All right, so we're going to do one more flip code, and then we'll jump back into the gameplay. So Jobbridge is asking if it's Jewel the Stinger.
    43:24
    It's not. I was hoping it was Jewel from Firefly. Oh, yeah. But it's not her either. I don't know if their original jewel would have, you know, uh, there have been interesting. I'll leave it at that.
    43:40
    So a little bit interesting. You know, we'll do two. Dwight, can I show them your, uh, hello world? If you want to.
    43:51
    I put that in almost every game. I love seeing that. Yeah. Okay. whoa what's that so that's the st charles crew from like four years ago three years yeah three four years ago yeah well we're never started some of us have even moved out moved away right it's not it's not the crew anymore we're a little bit different but like some of those guys haven't seen in forever yeah yeah yeah like i haven't seen chris i was kind of hoping to catch all these guys at a show come up here. It'd be cool if we had a pinball show. We're going to get back together. We are. Eventually. So, Expo is still on, but it's probably going to be off. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know how they're going to implement it. That's my guess. Well, they can turn every other game off, right? Or, you know, space them out, and then everyone wears masks, and there's lots of fluid everywhere to clean your hands.
    44:46
    But then, are people going to come? I mean, I don't know. Yeah, is it worth it at that point? What's the turnout? You know, I mean... Right, I mean, the turnout would be half or less. Money needs to be made for it to be worthwhile. Right, right. Right, at least to break even. And this is the last year. Isn't this the last year that Expo's at that location? Oh, that's a good question. It's moving to, I believe, Schaumburg. The years were clicking off. Yeah. It might be the last or one more. I wonder if that, if it's canceled, if it carries over, you know, that contract carries over. Schaumburg would be great, though. It's even closer for it. Schaumburg would be nice for it. I would love Schaumburg. Yeah. you know that'd be nice yeah so you know people going on the Stern tour it's right there right everything's just easier and now they can do the Jersey Jack tour which is just right around the corner there you go you know we might have to move now because they're kind of ruining the neighborhood you know those Jersey Jack the Jersey boys came in like the last time I was at work Ben I was like wow you could smell them oh man I'm kidding look at that probably just Ken going to Portillo's well you guys take out Like a block apart or something like that. You guys are kind of close, though. We are. They're not next door. They're just around the corner. But you know what? Here. If you ran into them, tell me you wouldn't sit down and have lunch. I know you would. No, in a heartbeat. Yeah. I know how you guys feel. Because of how you said that, it would make people think, oh, maybe there really is this animosity, dark versus good versus bad. That's really not the case. No, I worked for years with Keith Johnson and Ted Estes and those guys. And now in Ken. Ken is a member. I have Ken in my game. Yeah, I know. Is the next iteration of that going to be Ken photoshopped out? Yeah, like just a big red X to his face. Like the ex-girlfriend. Right. It just rips down the middle there and cut out with scissors.
    46:38
    You're close. First, if you want to be on the St. Charles pinball picture in this game, we will be cutting out a blank space there. Who to put in the end for Ken. Yeah. Who can be Ken? No, Ken was the heart of that group. So he can't ever be removed. Yeah, he pulled everybody together. He did. He can't ever be removed. This is so awesome. No, no. We do have to get all together. We've got a lot of Portillo's chat here. A lot of people are reading chat now. Well, no. I mean, I haven't been reading. Schomburg. But we have a Portillo's. So what's cool is we have a Portillo's that we walk to, and now Jersey Jack is even closer to it than we are. You guys walk to Portillo's? All the time. It's a blog. I just didn't, I wouldn't feed you guys from walking.
    47:23
    What? No, we weren't. Fuck you. No, I didn't mean it like that. Pro numbers don't walk. Pro numbers don't walk? I don't know. Mike Vinacore on Facebook, and that crazy dude does like eight miles every other day. Yeah, he's walking quite a bit lately. Yeah, I mean, good for him. Yeah. So I'm not talking to you. But no, the Portillo's is like, for us, it's about three blocks. It's down two and up one. It's just like a half mile. It's not even that. No, no, it's not even that. And then for Jersey Jack now, they're only like maybe one and a half blocks. Okay. Those fuckers.
    47:58
    So they're north of you guys then. I'm just trying to... You guys are staying in shape, though. They're one block north of us. Okay. Gotcha. Hey, but you're staying in shape at that walk. I mean, they're big blocks because you want to do the walk. Because they're factories. Yeah.
    48:10
    All right. So going back to... And I can't really smell them. I'd walk there and I'd Uber home. I'd Uber's that door. Yeah. Three minutes. You're like my friend Jerry. Jerry Thompson, who did the sounds. I've been working with him since Ghostbusters. Oh, I love Jerry, yeah. And he, it's almost impossible to get him to walk to Portillo's. Like, hey, Jerry, we're all going to Portillo's. You know, you want to come? No, it's all right. Yeah, no. Well, what time of the year? I mean, Chicago, sweltering, summertime. Doesn't matter. Everything cold winter. It could be Seattle, you know. Yeah.
    48:38
    He just doesn't like walking. Yeah, but you know what? I would be that kind of guy to drive. I would drive. I would drive it. I've been walking a lot more lately, okay? the park is a half mile from my house. Realize I'm going to go walk for three to five miles. But I literally drive to that park so I don't have to run into anybody.
    48:56
    Because otherwise in my neighborhood, you run into people. What are you afraid of? Are they going to shoot you or something? No, it's not. We don't live in that kind of a neighborhood. But you stop and you talk to one person and then you talk to another and then suddenly beers are coming out and you're walking. You come home and you smell like beer. It's a great walk you had at the bar. You can't have that either. I just saw a video about that. Oh, hey, Ben. Come on in the garage. Just quick beer. Yeah, no. So, you know, let's get caught up on chat, and then we'll do two verse one, Dwight, myself versus Steve. Oh, just because I had one fluke good game, doesn't, and I don't even know if I call that a good game. I'm being yelled at by Mrs. Lord Helmet. I did not make it. For my F-bomb on the board. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mrs. Lord Helmet. We throw some praise around for the F-bombs. Yeah. They told me it was okay. Yeah, we're good. They said programmers don't walk. Like, how am I supposed to react to that?
    49:52
    Because you're chained to a desk. Well, I bring the desk with me. Oh, okay. I'm the great... So yeah in our neighborhood you see Dwight walking with a two dolly in his desk behind him to Portillo So when you get to Portillo are you ordering through the drive menu
    50:10
    Are they open now? With the desk? No, yeah, they are. They're open now. They're open. Okay. With your desk, that's like a car, so they let that one fly. You got to fill in the desk.
    50:19
    All this walking to Portillo's was before COVID. Okay, so you haven't done much walking to Portillo's. I haven't been to work in four months. That's a good point. I've been, I mean, like for an hour here and there. Sure. Every, you know, like every third week I go to work for about an hour. Makes sense. Okay. For whatever reason, but I haven't been to work, like at my desk at work. I mean, I don't, my desk is like empty at work. It's all at home. It's all in my bag. But you know what? Here, slowly but surely, I mean, it's still, I mean, it's starting to come back around though, right? I mean, I think there's always going to be a new normal now because of this, but, you know, that's okay. I think slowly it seems like, you know, up here. You have the necessary people in there. that yeah anytime i'm needed anytime i'm needed at work i go to work yeah but but that's hardly ever yeah and so but everybody doesn't and so we're going to continue to work from home for the next few months you know like no matter what you know what saves some money and wear and tear on the car it's not a bad thing it's been great yeah no almost no mileage almost no gas you know some money savings yeah some cops i i do miss the office though i'm not i'm not gonna lie there I do miss... Steve, I don't know what you do. I'm a... You're a singer. As far as I know, you're a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm a web developer. Okay. And I sing in my off time. You can't... I sing and play pinball. You can't develop webs here at home? No, I do. But I'm saying I miss the social interaction of going into the office. And I was only going in two or three days a week because I'm working from home. I knew that you were a web developer. I just forgot. No, that's all good. Let's go play a game. Well, you know what? Hold on. We're going to... If you don't mind, can we catch up on share real quick? Yeah. Mrs. Lord Helmet, her six-year-old was reprimanding you, so you got yelled at by a six-year-old. That's a good day right there.
    52:00
    Emily and Dr. John, yeah, you know, I've heard the infamous stories of driving with Steve Ritchie, so, yeah, not going to do it. I think Steve Ritchie and myself would be good going down the highway watching TV. Yeah, you and Ken and myself would have not had a good time if Steve Ritchie was your co-pilot or the pilot on the way to Pimbo. Puts the pinball. And then JohnnyG21, can I ask a Stern Factory question? What besides TMT are currently in production at the factory? I've been waiting on a JP Premium. Thanks, guys. You don't have to answer that, Dwight, if you don't want to. Well, I can't because I'm never there. Yeah. And whenever I am there, it's something different every time. Sure. And sometimes it is just Turtles, and sometimes it's not Turtles at all, and it's three other games. So it changes every day, and I have no knowledge because I'm almost never at work. It's not something you'd be really interested in caring about either way, right? Yeah. Things are moving. Yeah. What matters is what's on the line. Right. From my seat, it's just always different. Yeah. Sure. Well, and honestly, I know my Elvira was built like June 13th or 14th. So I know at some point Elvira was on the line. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, it's constantly ever-changing. That's the nice thing of going there and seeing it. So we realize Dwight's absolutely useless tonight because he's not in the office and doesn't know anything, but hey, Dwight, thanks for coming.
    53:20
    I'll leave. No, no, no, no. We're just talking smack. I brought you brand new code. I actually didn't even realize that when these questions would come up with chat that you really don't know because you're not in the office. I mean, you're working on your stuff. Yeah. You don't know what everybody else is doing at a certain factory. Yeah, and even if I was at work, I didn't memorize what the factory was doing at any given day. I knew what my games were doing and when my premiums were going to come out or scheduled to come out or whatever. But just tonight I can't really talk about, I really shouldn't talk about anything in the future. No, for sure. No, we're not trying to get that kind of info. This is about hanging out and having a good time. I like having a good time. Yeah. But you know what? For that good time, we have to thank our partners in crime here, Flippin' Out Pinball, Zach and Nicole Menny. You guys are looking for a new pin. It's 812. Wow, I can't even read that. Bill, we got a little...
    54:21
    812-457-9711 I do know the next nine games, but I just can't talk about them. The next nine games? No, we're not looking for that. No, somebody's asking you to chat. Oh, okay.
    54:35
    That's funny. Yeah, so we've done our thing here. So 2 verse 1. Dwight, how do we start that off? Who's the 2 and who's the 1? You and me versus Steve.
    54:46
    That's what the game is about. It's about who is the 2v1. Okay, okay. We'll just keep switching out. Let me... Well, you go third. You go right around the yard real quick. Do your stretches.
    54:58
    By the way... Let me show you. All right, go. No, go ahead. All right, here we go. All right, do it. And we all know each other pretty well, so we can give each other a hard time. That's why we're kind of a little more loose in talking. We very much are. You have to flip the screen. So you do it like that, right?
    55:16
    You hold in both levers. Right? And then standard is always first. And then competition and co-op. And then co-op plus competition. And then 2v2, 2v1, and 3v1. Right? And then it goes back to standard. Oh, ridiculous. Right? I love it. So there's 2v1. Here we go. Then you've got three players. Yes. Chosen.
    55:38
    So it's 2v1, but which player is the one? They're third. Okay. It's in red. Yep. Woo! Will Patilla, Chicago Hot Dogs on the line. There we go. I'll take three. There you go. Who'd you steal, Raphael? Oh, that's my guy. Hey, if it's 2 v 1, I should have at least been able to pick the turtle. I guess you can still pick the guy, right? No, I still think you can pick the guy. I think we're good there. He just picked Raphael. I don't think... Can we both be the same turtle? That I do not know. Slappy White? Maybe. Slappy White, actually, yes. We do have some inner boys. I wasn't going to talk about that until we got closer, though. No, we'll be giving away. We're waiting for Zach to join up and come talk a little bit about that. All my secrets. You know what? We stick around for that. For certain situations we have to have the masks on. Either we have the masks on or we kill the stream. That would have to be the choice here. So, believe me, we didn't wish we had to stream with masks. But you know what? We're going to do what we got to do. Right? I'm cool with the masks. Hey, you know. It's all good. Looking out for everybody.
    57:01
    Let's get a... Yeah. No, no Oh, good, yes Alright Wow Yeah, Mr. Lord, how about that? It's serious Yeah, this is nothing to joke about.
    57:46
    I blocked the messages. Are you guys seeing that? Yeah. You know what? We're not going to have certain content. If you want to complain about something, sure. If there's a right way and a wrong way, we're not going to tolerate certain content. So, yeah, that's just how it goes. So, you know, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and that's fine. But there we go. There we go. Sorry, guys.
    58:14
    I blocked him. I guess I didn't do the necessary. Burn! No. Hey, you get them every so often. I think that's the first time we've banned someone. I didn't know how to ban. Hey, figured it out. What's Dwight getting higher than my last score? No. I don't get two mils. Yeah, you got two mils. I got like... Oh, that's the next two balls. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. Sorry about that, guys. We can't control who comes next. No, you guys, no. We don't do it. Yeah. Wait, did I swear again? No, it was not you. Lord Helmet. Oh, baby. What, man?
    58:53
    Woo. Nah, Lord Helmet, you're good. You like talking about food. It's all good. We don't need that. Oop. You have to yell. We need to get some mod applications going out.
    59:14
    Sorry about that. I thought I picked them. What's up, Dalton? Why would we ever ban Mrs. Lord Helmet? She brings class to the chat.
    59:27
    She does bring the class to the chat. All right, teammate, you got this. I would trust anybody in chat right now to be a mod.
    59:37
    I freaking love you guys. Boy, things are rad. Boy, oh, but wait. She brings what? Yeah. We got her. Her husband asking what? Wait, what?
    59:53
    Yeah, you know what, Kai? They build names while he plays for me. That sounds pretty bad. You said his name.
    60:01
    Right, Bill? Absolutely. Hey, Bill. He hurt. Bill, you're doing great. Good call, guys. That's my idea. I'm trying. It's getting a win here.
    60:10
    All right. There you go. That's it. You. That's all right. We got the high fives going on over here. Here. We got teams. It's PB1, man. All right. Yeah, Kaz, the Flip It Out masks are still in production. They're going to be limited. They're on the line. They are on the line. All right, so what's our total score? What do you got to beat this, Steve? I think it's going to be 2.922. All right, to zero. To zero.
    60:56
    Well, okay, so did you actually say my name, Bill, just for Chris the Pinter? Well, I don't know. Oh, okay. I asked Steve why does he want me to say Bill's name? Chris and I are good friends. Oh, all right. Yeah, yeah. Is that Chris I know? Chris the Pinter? He dressed up like Wonka at the... Oh, all right. So not Chris from... No, not Chris St. Charles. Chris. No. Hey, it looks like we're kicking butt. Well, that's not working. Well, we can't count nothing yet until Ball 3.
    61:31
    I get fixated on these. I get fixated on the frickin' skill stack. Dude, that's almost evil. I'm not going for it. Because my one good game I had, I just got done here. No.
    61:45
    Dalton, thank you for following. I appreciate it. It's Chris the Fencer. Yeah, I think they could sell out.
    61:52
    Slappy White. Maybe we'll have to ask him to design a cool face mask we can get him to wear. I do a flip it out right now. I throw a stern mask on right now. That'd be cool. We're going to get him some cool ones. I've been rocking this since COVID day one. You know what, Cos? I'm sorry. If we had masks for $4.99, you'd definitely be on the list for one.
    62:18
    All right. I'm sorry, partner. Your bonus was more than my entire story. You guys are good. I'll get you.
    62:30
    Chris just dropped the diaper to his face. So, Tanya, so Dave Peterson, like, the owner of, one of the owners of our company, and, like, the partner with Gary Stern, and my boss's boss, he's in the list, right? The credit list? Yeah. And Tanya just texted me and said my spell was name wrong. Maybe we should fill that up again. No. I won't have a job tomorrow.
    62:58
    We can go back and edit that. We'll Photoshop that with pen. Oh, classic. Oh, he started the homie ball. Cool. No, not cool. Yeah? Way to go, teammate. Ah, he got it. Cute.
    63:19
    Tilt warning. Not a very good multi ball. All right. That's not for me, though. But that multi ball was more than his whole score.
    63:30
    And I didn't do anything. Nothing like a good old, you know, banter. All right. So let me get caught up on chat here, guys. What's going on, everybody? Thank you for joining us. We were just tuning in. We got Dwight Sullivan here, the coder for, the coder for Turtles.
    63:50
    So any questions or anything, please feel free to jump in and ask Guys, I missed a lot already, but we can always try and catch you up
    64:01
    No, I was I kept losing one after one that's kind of still folks on the one Just somebody said his name
    64:10
    It's like Beetlejuice man you say my name three times and you know that you do no good Excellent work, you two. Orby, what's going on, man? Slappy White, best light show in the game is when Team Up is lit. Slappy, try that. Oh, Team Up, right. Team Up, plus the music. Orby! That's the second best moment in the game. The best is the beginning of Ninja Pizza Multiball when it's going Oh, yeah. You know. It's really good. We'll have to get to that, Dwight. Let's check it out. Wait, let me handle that on my turn. On my turn. Bill.
    64:52
    So I think the scores are 4,154,470. To like 300-something? To 144,000. Oh, 144? Oh, I thought I had at least 300. My bad. Ball three, so I don't count nothing out. All right, this is ball three. This is the last ball. I'm going for multi-ball. What did we get on that last game, though, Bill? What I've gotten, I think it was like 3.5 mil. You would have been close. Yeah.
    65:18
    All right, so getting caught up on Chad here. Oh, Chris the Pinturn. So, you know, sidebar if you guys want to hear some pinball drama for a minute. Chris the Pinturn and I had a bet for $20 for a burrito, and we were down in Louisville. Oh, I remember this. We found a B2 snot getaway, and we played, and I lost. I don't think I lost terribly, but I lost. So I owed Chris this many dollars. Chris can play. Chris got a tournament. Oh, my God. He's a good player. If Chris comes up here, we're playing my getaway. And I'll match him 5-1, all right?
    65:55
    5-1. Do you want to do a code update for getaway? I would love. So that we can do team play? Yeah. I would love a code update for getaway. If you're taking requests, that and Terminator 2. But do they need code updates? Are you unhappy with them? No. Listen, I have the latest code version, I think version 5, on Getaway. That's the one without the, like, every 10 game multi-ball where you can just keep spitting balls out or whatever.
    66:23
    I love that game. Dwight, I'm getting ready to start building the next one after I finish my latest project. All right, all right. If I could do a code update for you, Bill, I would. I would love it, but listen, just being friends is good enough, brother. No hugging. No, no, no, no. So sentimental. No hugging. All right, so we're going to jump on this. But Chris the Pintern, besides you, is the only other person I bet on getaway playing pinball. Oh, I see. Yeah. And Chris beat me just like you did.
    66:55
    Hey, where we at? Chris the Pintern looking to look forward to it! What's your favorite Dwight game at Flappy White 2001? Um, Champion's Pub is the best game by the way. It's basically universally agreed. Is it? No, so. I like Champion Pub. Yeah. But only recently, like in the last year, did I learn it's not that popular. Yeah. And I don't know why. I mean, I think it's a good game. And Zach Minney's freaking, Zach Minney called it a novelty game. What game? Champion Pub. Yeah. It's not a novelty game. You know, take that, Zach. I've never played one. I have not either. Maybe that's why it's. It has two flippers and multi-balls and pinballs. It's not novelty. Doesn't it have pop-bumpers? Yeah. So it's pinball. Doesn't it have pop-bumpers? Yeah. Well, novelty. It has swings. The guy that's around, right? Yeah. I mean, that's not novelty. That's a bass toy. I don't know what to mean, but it would be more like Safecracker or like Super Mario World, but smaller. Right, but they're still not novelty. They're still pinball. They're pinball, but that's more on the novelty side of it. Maybe. Because it's not the standard pinball play field in Safecracker. Zach's crazy, man. Zach is crazy. He loves Popeye.
    68:07
    Zach's crazy, man. He loves Popeye. That's all I'm going to say. All right, so we've got like five more minutes to talk. The score to me is... You can say anything about Zach you want. I'll be on here to defend. There's someone coming here and he's going to be like, Bill's talking crap about Popeye. So get it out now and then you can go re-watch it. Wait, wait, what? All right, so the score to me for you is five million and change. Yeah. Okay. So how do I get to that high score? Size, million, and change.
    68:35
    I'll tell you when I leave tonight. Okay. All right, so. On the way out. You shut up, Don. Orby, thank you for the bits, man. Appreciate it. Orby! The Skipping Skipping Rope is the best toy in pinball. So is that on Champion Pub? Yeah, that's on Champion Pub. And it is one of the best toys in pinball. I agree. I have to find one of these. I've never had the opportunity to play Champion Pub. I've never seen one anywhere. I'm upset. Right, right. So why was this person making fun of him? Who? I was making fun of that for Popeye. That's it.
    69:07
    Lord Helmuth probably just saying, probably agrees with me on the Popeye one. Kaz, you know what? Those stuff happens, man. I want some Pop-Tarts.
    69:21
    You didn't make it to Louisville, though, right? That was the last pinball show that we attended. No, I did not. I've been to Louisville once. Last year. Yeah. And that's where you did the Family Feud. So, Corey now owns that show. He's my wingman. Corey is one of the software guys on Turtles. Okay. Yeah. Corey and I did lots of games together. So, Louisville, do you think that'll expand more into the pinball stuff, too, or no? No, I... Or do you think he likes the platform now? I think he likes the platform now. I mean, I don't know. I don't talk to him about it that much, but I think it's perfect the way it is. Like, it's got... A little bit of everything. A little bit of everything, right. Yeah. Right. Like you could walk by and watch people playing Commodore 64 and sit like that, right? That was a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. You know what? Honestly, the problem, I don't know if you run into this, but when you go to pinball shows, as much as you'd like to stop and play pinball, by the time you get towards the end of the show, all you've done is talk to all of your friends and, you know. I mean, you get in our stores. You guys get me. Yeah. Oh, that's me. I've got to get my... All right. That's a false tip, Bill.
    70:26
    Yeah. That's the ball step. Miss Lord Helmet, we don't have a Ken the Cat yet. We got the bull. Listen, I'll... We'll go on Amazon, and I'll order something for next week. I was thinking about that. We'll have to come up with something good, though. We might just have to go silently at night and jump in Ken's backyard and borrow something off the lawn. Borrow something off the lawn.
    70:52
    Champions! All right. The teams don't get to be on normal high scores. They have their own. Okay. That makes sense.
    71:03
    So now how does this work? Who got the higher score of you two? No, we're both in the box. I know, but I'm saying, are we going to do another 2v1? Oh, I see.
    71:15
    Yeah, you're right. Like whoever... So it would be Bill and I against you then. We're going to be the one now. Or we can play co-op or we can play normal. What's up, T-Chat? If we made you be on your own, it's fair for one of us to be on our own, too, if you want. It doesn't matter. I'm cool with whatever. Here, I think it should be Steve and I now versus you. I just took a bad beat. All right. That's, you know, here. Dwight got $4 million. I got $1 million and some change. And Steve will be the handicap this round. No. Yeah.
    71:43
    I beat you last game. Right. If it was 2v1 and I was the one, I would have won. Yeah. You still would have beat us. All right. By double. I'll be saying Dwight versus everybody. All right, let's do it. That would have taken us down. But I'm never going to do that again, but we'll see. So let's try it. So you guys go. One of you two go, and then I'll be third. Well, before we do that, we're going to pay some bills. Pay some bills! And then maybe a couple minutes of catching up on chat, because I see we're running through. That's cool. I'm cool with that. I don't want to, you know, here, people are in here trying to talk to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's pay some bills. Because in ten seconds. Zach gave Poonie Factory. What is Poonie Factory?
    72:24
    Poonie Minus. You can't trust him. Hey, Kaz. How's it going, man? Literally played 10 games of it at pinball. The best part was just hanging out. That's what I'm talking about.
    72:38
    Ms. Lord, I also... Well, the night of, we were talking about it. I hopped on Costco. So, the family feud. I would love to do it again. and I was kind of disappointed that it was up against Elvira. Like, Elvira was like a people's fink and took all the people. I need, like, so it's much better if I have a full room, because I work the crowd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the lower the crowd is, the lower I am. It was still a good time, Dwight. I don't know. All right. Well, trust me, it would be much better if I had three times the people there. I'd love to see the full room.
    73:15
    Ten second. Ten second flipping out break. All right. That might have been less than 10 seconds. Well, it's still going on.
    73:34
    Anyhow, everybody, thanks again for joining us. Thanks again for sticking around. Thanks, Dwight, for showing up tonight and hanging out. Always good to hang out, man. I haven't seen you in a while, Steve. It's been a while. Last year, for sure. It was here in this room. Yeah. Toward the end of last year, I'd say. Like Eric Mignier was here and Keith Johnson was here. Oh, that was that long ago? Yeah. Oh, that was last Expo. Expo, yeah. Yeah, so that was October last year. Yeah. Okay. The TNT guys were here. Yep. Tim and Tom. We had Todd Tuckey in the house. Yep. Eric Mignier. Oh, my gosh. Mark Stolk was here. Right. And Jeff. Jeff Teal. Or not Teal. Jeff Pinball. Oh my gosh. Sorry, Jeff. This weekend pinball. No, he wasn't here. Yeah. Well, he wasn't. I didn't. I'm pretty sure he was here that night. Oh, you're right. You're right, he was. I'm pretty sure he was here that night. Yeah. No, we had a lot of Jason and Matt. Right. Jason Fowler. Oh my God. I haven't seen Jason Fowler in a while. Again, there were so many people. I have to go through the video. Jason. Some videos. I wonder how he's doing. He's doing good, man. I turned him on to board games. and he stopped doing podcasts. I think it's my fault.
    74:50
    You heard it here first, people. Like, look how cool board games are and then all of a sudden he's not doing podcasts anymore. I don't even need a pinball podcast. I don't have time for pinball podcasts. I want to play board games every night. Play board games. Mallort? No. Jeff Parsons. There we go.
    75:07
    Patterson, that's it. Yeah. I killed Slapsave. Oh, we're so bad. I know Jeff. So lately we're playing a new version of Gloomhaven. It just came out a few days ago, like just a week, you know, two weeks ago. And it's called Gloomhaven Jaws of the Lion. And it's really good. It's really fun. My sons and I are playing it every Friday for the last two Fridays. Very cool. Yeah. So how long does a Gloomhaven game typically take? So it's a campaign. So, you know, you're going to play. Two big pieces. You're going to play across several weeks. The last time we played Gloomhaven, we spent maybe 20 months playing every Friday. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Right. So this one won't be nearly as long because this is a much smaller package. It's streamlined, and it was sold in Target. It's made for the everyday guy. Wow. Okay. And it nicely walks you through the rules and brings you up to speed with how to play and how to get into the game. but it takes about 90 minutes to 2.5 hours to play that's doable 20 months? probably count me out it's a game where you wouldn't have to play every week no I get it it's like D&D you can turn it on you can go in and out it's like D&D you have characters holy crap I only played Monopoly with my family and not much with a nerd I guess risk is long So I would call you a muggle.
    76:40
    You're a board game muggle. You know, there's one game that I would love to play. Maybe we'll have to do that. I don't know. We'll have to probably do that on a special. I don't know if Zach would like us doing this, but play a board game on stream of Monopoly and just talk crap. I love Monopoly. I love Monopoly, too. So I bet you don't play it correctly. I'm sure I don't. Most people don't play it correctly, and that's why they hate it, and it takes forever. If you play Monopoly correctly and the right rules, you know, three people can easily play in 90 minutes. And it's ruthless, especially if you're playing with me. So you're going to go home crying, you're going to go home sobbing. Sounds like an entertaining stream. It sounds like a Friday night at my house anyway. And it's half the amount of time we normally stream. Right, right. It's best when everybody around the table knows the game really, really well, and as soon as the dice come to a stop, it's come to a stop when everybody at the table knows what's happening, and then the next person's reaching for those dice and rolling them and we're all just sort of playing the last three turns all at the same time.
    77:43
    And then at some point somebody will go, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'll buy that for that and I'll give you $1,700.
    77:50
    You know what? I think on the list of things to do besides stream on the boat, the Monopoly game is definitely one that we've got to put on a bucket list. Alright, bucket list. I'm in. Monopoly game played correctly. With Dwight Sullivan. I would just be entertained. You're so mellow as a person. I would love to get you in that competitive element. Get him into a board game. I bet he's ruthless in the Napoli. But you know what I'm saying? You've got those people that are so competitive about certain things that, you know, once you find what that is, I mean, they're just brutal. And I would love to see Dwight get that brutal because you're normally a pretty mellow guy. You don't get too riled up about a whole lot. We need to hang out more. That last game was pretty brutal. This is true. COVID has not helped that, but that's okay. All right, so let's get caught up on chat, And then we'll do Stephen Ivers' Dwight. To be loathed. Right.
    78:38
    All right. Monopoly is too violent. We can no longer play at the house. Yeah. We'll see how that goes with Dwight here.
    78:46
    All right. So, Backgammon. I've never played Backgammon. Backgammon is an all-gambling game. Backgammon is made for gambling. It has one of the coolest gambling mechanics in it ever. It's the doubling cube. And the way the doubling cube works is, like, you sit down and you go, it's a two-player game, right? Yeah, you obviously, yeah. So you sit down and you go, hey, let's play for $10, right? And then I'll get to where I think I'm going to win, and I'll take the doubling cube, and I'll go, wait, wait, wait.
    79:12
    This game is now worth $20, or you give up now and give me $10. Oh. Right? And you can just keep, and then I can't touch the doubling cube anymore, but later you might be winning. You can be like, the game's now worth $40, or I'll just give you the $20, and we're done. Oh, wow. Okay.
    79:28
    That gets fun. Yeah. That sounds like it gets fun. Yeah, the doubling cube. Yeah, we're sending dinner, it sounds like. Bill and I are like, yeah, we're in the back. You sold it to us just there. You can double it. How about throwing a little doubling cube into code? You want to take this? Some pinball? I guess that's kind of like choosing your jackpot or your extra ball, kind of. Right. I'm picking my wallet out here. I'm getting serious now. We're going to play this. That's correct right there. Uh-oh. That's correct. All right, so it's on? It's on. Backhand pinball from Stern confirmed. That game at the hotel Yeah it makes sense We'll have to do some fun things But yeah I think definitely A game with Monopoly Even if it's not on this channel Because it's not pinball We'll have to do that I think that could be it Well but we could play Monopoly And pinball at the same time It would be easy I mean it would slow the Monopoly down Quite a bit Yeah But Monopoly really fast Isn't going to happen Until everybody really knows Monopoly Like what needs to happen Is like when you You can just sort of stare at the board Yeah You know like a nine rolls and you know where that next piece is going to go. So if you're sitting there, I go, oh, you just rolled a nine. You're here on Connecticut. You're now going to be on Tennessee. And I know if I have Tennessee and I go, hey, pay me, right, or else not. That's the only thing I have to worry about. Then it's my turn and I grab the dice. You're still moving your piece. I'm grabbing the dice. I'm rolling. You know, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And until your next roll, you can still buy the property, right? Once you roll your next roll, then you're out. Well, no. We go, it's Tennessee. Because instantly, like it lands on a nine, everybody knows you're going to land on Tennessee. Okay. Right? And then we know if it's taken or not. And you go, okay, I'll buy it. And that's another rule in Monopoly that most people don't know is if a property is not taken and you don't want to buy it, it instantly goes up to auction. It automatically goes up to auction. Yeah. And then everyone can buy it. Ooh. That part I know. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you don't have to wait. So basically all the property is going to get sold. Yeah. Sure. You just have to make sure you have enough money to get boardwalk, park place. And that's part of the master plan of the game is to manage your money. Make sure you have enough money for the property you want. And when you land on something, you don't get jack-rolled out. Yeah, later on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The game has a beginning and then a middle and then an end. You have to be in good shape when you get to the end. I like it. All right. I think we've talked enough about Monopoly. So, all right, two versus one. All right. So... You know how to start it? No, I'm gonna let you... You know what, I'm gonna give this a shot. Give it a shot. Let me do this. You hold it in front of flippers. And then it's not hard enough for that. Hold on, both flippers, 2v1. You're third player now. Correct. And you guys can go, either one of you can go first or second. Left middle rack, player one. Did he do it right? Yeah, three players, three players. There you go. All right. Sweet. Oh, he's taking down a tello. He's taking down a tello. Sweet! Oh, he's taking Donatello. He's going for the one-shot multi-ball. I've only hit that upper right center right ramp once tonight. So I will not be going for Donatello. Oh! My bad. Thanks Josh. Alright, you can drain any time now. Drain the ball. Still. There you go. Thank you for voting for me. You guys didn't miss much.
    82:55
    Motivation. Oh, no. All right. I can't talk smack when I'm playing 2v1? I'm going to talk smack. Oh, that's all right. I didn't want people seeing that. But Steve's going to probably kill it.
    83:08
    Steve's going to kill it here. I'm nervous. Donatello. So when we play co-op, we each have to be a different turtle? Yeah. And it's important who goes first, second, and third.
    83:23
    Because we have to figure out... We need to figure that out. Oh, it doesn't go around? Well, I'll tell you what. If you hold in the flipper button, the left flipper button, the ball will go around.
    83:35
    I thought it didn't go around for me, for Donnie. Did you hold in the ball? Yeah, hold in the left flipper? Yeah. Oh, well, maybe it rattled. Maybe it rattled. I think it might have got stuck on something. That's too bad there, Steve. Here we go. Ball one, rock, ah! Tries and misses. Loser Kid, we're waiting for a little while to go by, and then we'll update on the giveaway.
    83:58
    So we didn't forget about it. So which Loser Kid is that? So Loser Kid is always Josh, right? Josh is... So there's Josh and Scott Larson? Josh, Brock, and Scott Larson? No, that's... Or Bill Albert.
    84:13
    Oh, I thought Loser Kid was... Loser Kid Pinball Podcast was... No, maybe I'm wrong. Correct me, guys.
    84:22
    That's a good setup. That'll be good enough. That'll be a good setup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, here, Mike, let's put something together here.
    84:30
    See, sorry, I think you're right. It's the two-verse-one, three-verse-one is definitely cool. It's only ball one, though, right?
    84:37
    Oh, ball one. Okay, all right. Orby. That's, all right. Sorry, guys, it's been a long day. Literally, I was up until about 1 in the morning because I got some stuff going on at the house. So I had to get the basement ready for painters, and then I was up at 4.30. Three and a half hours of sleep. Three and a half hours of sleep, and not because of my son. Help me out.
    85:05
    Bill, I got some coffee. I had a coffee on the way over here just to make it through tonight. And I haven't had coffee in, I don't know, a month or so.
    85:13
    Or caffeine, for that matter. No, not because of Baby Billy Jr. Which, surprisingly, update, he does still not have teeth.
    85:21
    So, nine months old, he can crawl, trying to walk, but doesn't have teeth yet. Turtle power. Oh, yeah, he is crawling with his Lord Helmet. So, we have our new challenges of making sure that he doesn't make it into the basement. That would not be too graceful. No. Now, we've got another door, pal. What? You got a basement door? Yeah, but before he was crawling, our daughter's old enough that we didn't need to worry about, you know, keeping her, keeping it closed now. We got 17 steps to get down to the basement. I mean, that's a... Oh, I'm aware. I counted every last one of them helping with demo man. Yes, you are. Good thing it was a light game, though. A shot, Kyler. All right, I'm losing. Oh, all right. Brutal.
    86:09
    It's like the pressure's on when you're the one. Okay, thank you for letting me know because my wife and I were getting a little concerned about that because he still doesn't have teeth. Oh, shot collar. You know, I think DCFS is frowning upon shot collars. Baller, shot collar.
    86:27
    One of your slaves on the end. Baller. All right, Steve, we have a chance here. You're telling me we have a chance. I can go up for some pizza right now.
    86:51
    We can get hungry on the street. You're right. Dinner time. Yeah, pizza. Pizza turtles. Should I call... Take an order. Oh, you've got to be kidding me. Should I say Bill's name? Hey, Bill. No, no, no, no, no, no.
    87:10
    Uh-oh. Hey, I'm still losing, though, so that's not good. No, but it's making it fair so far. All right. So far. I need to get two more locks, and I think that's what's really needed. You know, I'm not so... I got to... Oh! I'm focusing on the wrong thing.
    87:35
    Yeah, you know what? It does go fast. We have a four-year-old daughter. She'll be five in August. And, you know, we turn around and now she's yelling at me. So, you know, it went from holding her to getting yelled at.
    87:51
    No, Slappy White, just two. Two is plenty. I have two kids. Yeah. Two is crazy. Yeah. And that's a three is bad. Just, you know, I'm older. I'm going to be 40 this year, so I don't think I can do a third. Maybe. I don't know that anymore. What's going on, brother man?
    88:16
    Miss Lord Helmet, thank you for joining us tonight. We shall see you soon. Maybe Friday? Come on!
    88:26
    Steve is invested. Did he drink? He did drink. Looks like he drank. I was quick. Most of us were. It's not cool. Oh my gosh Hearing wolf reminds me of that 90's song Who let the dogs out Brutal You and me both brother Not good I just blew the multi-ball So who do you pick? Are you Raphael? Donatello Oh, you got to go for that center ramp. Yeah, Tony scoots yet to I You know our last one was brutal. So good in the hose. What is up?
    89:19
    Back to it is it's definitely fun game it is insanely fun Yeah, I was talking to them earlier before
    89:32
    It was short-lived, though, because we had to get ready for the stream. This is Lord Helmet. Guys, it was fun as always. Dwight, congrats on a great game. Everyone have a safe and wonderful week. Good night, Mrs. Lord Helmet. We shall chat again.
    89:48
    All right. Here's my chance to shine. One of us. Oh, I know. I must be more zen. Oh, Dwight, Dwight, you're coming up strong, though. I'm not. I'm fixated on my shots. You're not that far off. I'm losing my game, boy. I'm losing. Not by much.
    90:14
    Power drain. That was me. Yes, you also had a power drain. Baxter says, you guys had a chance to compare between the Pro and the LE Premium. I'm sure Dwight has. I have not. Yeah.
    90:32
    I actually... Wait, what are the differences between... Just to say the Pro and the Premium. The glider is one of the main things. But also, there's that point, there's some bits. Tony Scouts with the bits!
    90:48
    Thanks, buddy. So there's three main ones. There's the glider, which you can control on the buttons. The disc spins both ways, which if you can see it... Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, the thing is, see it, it's much, much cooler than the Vistus. Okay. And then the crane, you know, there's a crane toy that bobbs up and down and talks to you. Correct. Yeah. And then the ball is big. No, no, I guess the biggest one is the balls come out of the van. Yeah. There's eight balls in the game. So, multi-ball. Yeah, multi-ball comes out of the van.
    91:19
    Eight balls on the Pro 2? Was it eight balls on the Pro? No, no, no, we're talking about the Pro versus the Premium. Oh, yeah, because this one has one less. It's seven, right? It's six. Six, okay. Alright, Steve, man, you're up. And then it's my last chance to win. Tony Scrooge! Spooky Sour, how is it to work with Zombie Yeti? Actually, this is your second time working with Zombie Yeti, because you guys did Ghostbusters together. Correct. Correct, yeah. It's great working with Zombie Yeti. You know, I haven't had any problems with any artists. Artists are all pretty great.
    91:53
    Except for Chris Francie, of course. I'm kidding. I know, I know. if you were to see my facial expression.
    92:02
    No, but you know what? Munsters is a beautiful game as well, too. It doesn't suck. No, I like Munsters. No, I know, I know. Munsters is awesome. Munster artwork, I think, is really, really great. I'm trying to be funny here, and it's hard to be funny with my mask on. It's almost like we're texting, because you can't tell expressions. Right. You know? But that's okay.
    92:22
    You know, honestly, Munsters and Ghostbusters, dude, I love the artwork on them, and I'd love to just hang those in the garage. I mean, they're so pretty. So this game, I think, so which game is better looking, Turtles or Ghostbusters?
    92:35
    You know, I'm going to, and this might not be the popular vote, okay, and I'm willing to accept the hate on this one. I really love the ghostly image of Ecto-1 on the side of Ghostbusters. Oh, I don't think people are going to hate you. I think, I actually think most people, between those two, most people are going to pick, I mean, it's subjective to what they're going to like better. Artwork? Yeah, artwork-wise. Side art? No, the whole package. The whole package.
    93:02
    Turtles vs. Ghostbusters. Oh, which one would probably be more of a fan favorite? No, which one do you like more? Steve, which one do you like more? I think Ghostbusters is one of the most beautiful art packages ever made. That might be true. All right, let's go play. All right. Yeah. I'm not thinking about that. When you come back, we'll talk. I think it's close to us. Yeah, it is. It's not to say anything bad about this game. I'm a bigger Ghostbusters fan myself. and I just think the way it was done was just you can get that I need two locks if I can get two locks I'll probably win yeah yeah we weren't mean about it we were we tried to leave you an out here okay so I'm thinking play field ghostbusters the cabinet artwork on this was awesome they're both awesome I don't know I'd almost go play field ghostbusters cabinet turtle so play field for Ghostbusters? Oh, yeah. Like, I'm sorry, layout on Ghostbusters? No, I'm talking about art still. Oh, art? Yeah. You know...
    94:07
    And you know I'm a big Ghostbusters fan. Champion, man! I'm a big Ghostbusters fan, and you know that. But I think, you know, Playfield for Playfield, and I think they're both gorgeous. I would have to go probably the TMNT there you go. Is that up there?
    94:28
    I think I'd have to go this playfield for playfield art, in all honesty. I'd go opposite. I'd go Ghostbusters playfield cabinet turrets.
    94:41
    But again, it's something that either one, I don't like all my games are smashed in my lineup. I'd like to have either one of these out on their own to be appreciated. You haven't seen the L.E. Turtle's Cabinet. No. The L.E. Turtle's Cabinet is, in my opinion, better than the Ghostbusters. Okay. Woo! All right, so when we get off the stream then I'll call Zach and ask him where our L.E. is so we can play. Right, right. Tell him to get his butt up here with that L.E. But I mean, you've been fortunate because you've been able to work with a lot of great artists on your games. I have been very fortunate. Yes. You know.
    95:15
    Here, one of my favorite games too to look at was definitely Monsters because that was on the end of my row. Right. So, you know, was you could see the whole game. Right. And just walking by that thing, it was like, you know, this thing is... As great as Jeremy is and Chris, my favorite artist to work with ever has been Chris Ferris. Okay, Ferris. On Star Trek Next Generation. You have one here? He did. The old school. You stole my Star Trek? I sold yours. That was one of the four or five. I posted a bunch of stuff. I was like, after four are gone, I'm taking everything back off the market and yeah that's all the good stuff so that was a great game to work with to work on because the whole team was into Star Trek yeah and everybody contributed to it yeah yeah yeah it's still one of the top games on the pin side top 100 okay I mean here that's a 20 some year old title and it's still it's still up there cool you know that's tells a lot about a game so uh sorry I lost huge I would do I owe you guys pizza no no just burritos so Well, now I need to make Thursday happen. All right, there you go. All right, so we've got to scroll up just a second so we can caught up on chat. Sorry, guys, you know, when we get engaged in conversation, it's not that we don't want to answer these questions, it's that we get caught up. Bill, I don't know if you noticed, I enhanced the chat size a little bit, so we're skipping through a little quicker here now. You know, if I read with just my right eye, I can see pretty far. All right, here we go. Character grouping is just killer looking. All right. You know what? Okay, so that's the one where I cut. Steve, Bill, and Dwight, what are your favorite personal favorite machines? And I asked that and completely screwed up. Steve, Bill, and Dwight, what are your personal favorite pins? I love it. My personal favorite pins? Yes. Dwight, you go first. There's so many. I know. It's like, well, who's your favorite band? What's your favorite song? I'm at that point in my life where I just appreciate so many things that I don't necessarily have a favorite. But what are you playing the most of nowadays? I guess even Turtles included because I'm sure that's... That's the highest up right now. It's not testing code and stuff. It's not what you're playing the most of because we're not getting out. It's not like we're going to the bar and playing a game. No, I mean, yeah.
    97:24
    You know what I'm saying? Because you're coding it and testing things. I think my favorite combo of designers and programmers is Lyman and George.
    97:32
    And so therefore, like Monster Bash is one of my favorite games. Monster Bash. All right. Here's the problem with that. So for me, I have a few games that are going to be bolted in my row. If that game leaves, it's because I'm building a nicer example. Like T2, I'm going to rebuild and build a beautiful example of a T2 and a getaway. Because those two are bolted. Do you own a Monster Mansion? You know what, that's one of the games on my list that I would like to have. I literally went through the Pennside Top 400 yesterday. I was like, okay, what on this list have I not had in this basement? And I've been very fortunate. I have a lot of things in the basement, and there's not a whole lot that I really want at the moment because I've been fortunate I had a lot of pins.
    98:18
    But, yeah, I mean, when you say, what's your favorite pin? Well, Getaway T2, Baywatch is one, Ghostbusters is one. What's in your lineup, right? Like, I'm content with my lineup. I have no plans to sell anything. Some people don't have lineups. Yeah, sure. I don't have a lineup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for them, it's a little easier to say. Like, Star Wars is my lineup. up. Great game. Yeah. You sold your Star Wars too. Star Wars, I posted Star Wars and Star Trek, whichever one sold first, and unfortunately that left. You know what I really want to do though? You don't have any good games here at all. I want to get the Star Wars Premium Comic Edition. I want the Comic Edition now. Now that I saw the Comic Edition. The Comic Edition is awesome. I have to have that now. Randy killed it. By the way, Zach is in the house. Another great one. Zach Mini, where the hell is my chocolate bar? Zach's probably You're looking flying sharp. I believe Zach got a little hair trimmage tonight. A little trimmy trim trim. Trimmy trim trim. All right, so I'm getting caught up on Jay. Hey, Zach. Zach has a TNG. Let's go to his house. Yes, Zach has a TNG.
    99:21
    Batman is definitely one of the coolest, but it's hard to pick. It is hard to pick, man. Batman is a child you like to watch. I know, exactly. So like Funhouse is a great game. That's one game I've never owned. Right. I owned it three times, and it took me the third time to get into it and be like, this is a cool game. It took me that long. I just wasn't a fan of the theme and the rooty. And spirit. Like, if you go back across the decade, there's lots of great games that are old. I mean, you almost want to go through decades. High speed is a great game. Yeah.
    99:53
    It's really, you know, it's hard to say because everyone has their own taste and stuff. Who's coach? Thanks for the bits. Tony's coach.
    100:01
    But you know anything here You know what Dwight I don know if you You probably didn see this stream and that fine But we were streaming Cactus Jacks like three weeks ago Oh I didn see it I sorry No that fine But you know here Cactus Jacks is not a very deep game It's very simple. I mean, you were at Williams at the time. And Cactus Jacks was competing with Terminator, so they didn't sell any. Terminator was a blockbuster game back in the day. Yeah. You know, followed up by Getaway, which was another blockbuster. You know, and then throw Adam's Family on top of that. I mean, it's the heyday of pinball right in that genre there with Twilight Zone. But, you know, did I enjoy playing it? Yeah, I did. But I think I had the most fun playing that game when Steve and I were streaming it. Yeah, that was a hell of a good time. Because we had a good banter back and forth, and, you know, we're trying to throw fruit. I'm jealous that it left now just so we could stream it again. But, you know, I think any game is what you make of it. You know, if you don't want to make anything of it, you won't.
    100:55
    Right. You know. Right. So it takes understanding a game, too, to have fun. It does. If you don't understand a game, you're like, I don't care about this game. Yeah.
    101:06
    Yeah, no, I totally get it. I totally agree. Or at least you have to understand at least enough to go, okay, I understand. I've got to do this and I've got to do that. Like, you walk up to Jurassic Park and you're like, whoa, I've got to spell chaos. Yep, yep. You know, that's instantly, like, I get it. Yeah. You have to feel like that. You have to feel like you're progressing towards something. So. All right. So, back to the game.
    101:30
    Are we doing co-op next? Do you want to do co-op or do you want to do another two versus one? Two versus one where you're the one? I can be the one. I think it's only fair if we finish the two V1s and Bill needs to fend for himself. All right. Let's do that.
    101:46
    Bill doesn't have a chance. Bill. Can we just say his name? Bill, can we just go Bill? Yeah. That's fine. Do what you want.
    101:55
    Bill. All right. So we're going to do this. Uh, Suki Sauer, you might have missed the Cactus Jack stream, but it is on our channel and you can still watch that.
    102:03
    That will be archived for life. Archived for life. I don't know if there will be any DMC take-downs.
    102:12
    Oh, that was Metalhead. Initializing that. I remember these figurines from my childhood. You know. All right, so I go third. Yep. All right, I can go first. Yeah, that works. Thanks, Dwight.
    102:31
    All right, Zach, what's going on, brother? How are we doing, man? A lot of people are asking about the anticipated giveaway. The anticipated giveaway we've been talking about.
    102:42
    Dakota Mike, thanks for the subscription for five months, buddy. He's been in here every time. It's last.
    102:51
    And once again, thanks everybody for joining Monday Night Pinball on the Flippin' Out channel. and thank you Zach and Nicole for allowing us to do what we do anybody in the markets for a new or even a used machine I know he's got an Oktoberfest he's got an Oktoberfest what else did Zach take in on the used market I know he took in a couple this week I know he sold a Metallica refinery the reason why the Oktoberfest sticks out is because I was so tempted to be like hey man when you come to Chicago it's a fun one it is a fun one I do like that one but nonetheless you can reach Zach and Nicole at flipping out pinball at 812-457-9711 And then we will switch frames back so we can see everyone's progress. What are we doing? You guys didn't watch me play? Alright, cool. Alright, teammate, teammate, you got this, man. Up, your turn. Slappy White. Let's see, Ghostbusters redeemed after the Saturday morning cartoon. You know what, Slappy White, that's one game where I think I love it the way that it is, and I'd be too scared to change anything. Bye bye bye! Tutorial, yeah that makes sense. You know, that just happens sometimes. A modern game that I would happily own that is not absurd. Ooh, that's a good question. So this game, this game right over here, this Pirates of the Caribbean looks pretty great. I think I might want to try that. Insert goat yelling. Thank you for the fits.
    104:26
    Orby. Thanks, Orby. I'm just getting bullied anyway. All right, the golden mic, man. You have a good night, too, brother.
    104:37
    Take care of the golden mic. And, John, you know what? That is a tough one. Oh, I'm just hanging, guys. Guys, it's hard for turtles.
    104:48
    That is a hard one. I'm biased, so you can't ask me. Did we give him anything to think about? Yes. What's the score? I got like $600,000. I don't know if it's that big.
    105:04
    Not enough to get Bill. Well, Bill hasn't even gone yet. Alright, we're just under a million. You guys are just over $900,000.
    105:18
    What are you saying, Bill? You saying we suck? Y'all only live once, just not both! Alright, what I meant. Get boots!
    105:34
    Oh, he gets a skill shot. He likes weapons. Oh, look at that, nice. Hey, I'm skipping!
    105:49
    Gotta shoot that left orbit. Got a mic at the checkout for Twitter, man. Aw, you gotta be kidding me! Ooh, he flubs the weapon. Hurry up. That's alright! I think he got a lock in there, though, so he's on his way to multi-ball. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, we're gonna bring it. How about it?
    106:11
    So no one has... no single person has won the battle. No. All right. I got a goal in my mind. Got a goal in my mind. Goals in your mind. No goals. Cute, though.
    106:28
    The Van Nuys guys. How are we doing? Finally. Oh. Woo. All right. So, sorry, guys. Getting caught up on Chad here.
    106:39
    I was nailing skill talks all last week. I can't do crap tonight. Van Nuysguys, how we doing? First time tuning in, stream looks great. Hey, Van Nuysguys.
    106:50
    Thanks for joining in, man. We appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, Van Nuysguys. The Van Nuysguys? Van Nuysguys. Old Mac Orby. Van Nuysguys.
    107:01
    Yeah, that's perfect. That's all right. It doesn't matter how fast or slow you type. We're here. You know what? People talk crap about goats. I like goats, man. If I could have a goat, I would. Do all goats scream? I've had like a certain breed of goats.
    107:25
    And what time do they start screaming? Do they ever stop screaming? I love goats. Dude, you know what's funny? Do they scream all day? Do they scream at like 5 a.m.? No, we might have a problem. How about at 5? Don't bother me, John. But, alright, so this is a little, a lot off topic for pinball, but not really considering, you know, what we're talking about. The person behind my house on the other side of the street has a chicken. And at 5 o'clock, did you hear that?
    107:52
    Got a rooster. Yeah. Yeah, can you back up to some farmage? I do, I do. Dwight, Dwight's putting in your spot here, Bill. listen whenever it's Dwight and you play pinball he always says that it's for a burrito that's when like the real Dwight comes out the shine he's gonna have his best score playing and if you haven't and you had it for a burrito you just completely fail I just don't care enough man we're going for food so I'm happy it doesn't matter if I win let's go get the food I've already won we're going to get food that is Creso what's up buddy hope you're feeling bad Yeah, man. Uh, 50 on the pinball stone. Yeah, Dennis, our good friend Dennis was under the weather, man. It was, uh, you know, it was weird to, uh, not hear the creasel. I could feel. It's me, I'm in the blue hat. Zach's lonesomeness. You know why Zach doesn't, uh, Zach, Dennis doesn't recognize me? Very nice light. It's because I don't have my glasses on my forehead. Alright Bill. No, he doesn't. Oh yeah, you're right. Bill's chocolate. Goats are like cats. I don't trust them. They may be evil, but I'm intrigued to give them a pet. Absolutely. You know one of the, I'm sorry? Is Creasle in chat? Yeah, Dennis is here. He is. Dennis is in the house? Yeah. He was just, you know. Which one is Dennis? Uh, Zommer. Hey Dennis, how's it going man?
    109:33
    You missed the board game discussion. No, you didn't like it. The Van Nygut guys, yes, they used a bonfire round in the background. So, Dennis, we're gonna play Ruthless Monopoly on Twitch. And you need to come and play with us. Yeah, I don't know if we can do that on 4th of November, but we'll try and get permission. If we're gonna... You're not gonna let us do it. Yeah, maybe. As long as we're also streaming pinball. Yeah, we'll turn a couple of pinball machines off. So, so, Dennis, we're gonna play some Monopoly, and you gotta come. I don't know if you drove up from, uh, Kansas, I would love to. Gotta get to the lair, huh? Yeah. We'll have to, we'll have to set something up, man. Uh, Monopoly is always ruthless. Am I carrying us? Am I carrying the team here? Yeah, you do. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you do.
    110:23
    The Crisp Flow. Who are you asking about Wonka? I own one song by him. I still didn't get that multiple. All right.
    110:33
    Absolutely. So that's permission to stream Monopoly on like a Thursday, Friday with Dwight at some point.
    110:40
    That's a bad flipper passage there. Oh, I'm just down 2.7. No big deal. You got it, Bill. Yeah. Bill? Bill! There you go, Josh. How about Monopoly the board game while playing Monopoly the pin? There we go, yeah, that makes sense, right? Nice, nice, nice. Have a good game. So Dwight, when we do the boat pinball stream, what is your pin that you would like to bring in the boat? Is it going to be one of these? No, we can grab anything. I think fishtails or whitewater. Those both work. Do you have a fishtail? I don't see one. I had one. Hold the fishtails. Yes, a lot of guineas.
    111:35
    Jedi McMuffin, yes, we are in St. Charles. I'm going to go play my last ball. All right. Destroy the last balls. You guys are making it impossible. Like 2.4 million, dude. I would have to be on fire and put a rubber band between the flippers. You guys had like five mil when it was... I had a better game. I don't even think I broke a mil that... Alright, so get caught up in chat, too.
    112:00
    Chat round, hey. Only if BD drinks. I must have missed something there. I missed something, too. Yeah, if we do an offlay, I don't know if that would be a drinking game. That might be one where I need to Uber over here or something.
    112:16
    You should Uber. $10 Uber. Yeah, dude, it's not about that. It's just about getting here. That's it. Well, you could drive here. Uber home. Yeah, yeah, I could do that, too. I think we've done one before. Yeah. I think we've done. We've all done.
    112:29
    One more. Oh, dude, this is where Dwight lights the game up. There we go. That shot to me, I'm not hitting that shot. I'm having trouble with that shot right there. The inner loop or the ramp? The center ramp is what I like to call it. I call it the upper right ramp. Dude, off the right flipper, up the in lane. it stopped because there was a ball diverter there.
    112:50
    Ball drops down and that hit the ramp. Yeah, I noticed. I was like, what's it get hung up on up there? Yeah, yeah. It's a gate. Sorry, not a diverter, a ball gate.
    113:02
    Makes sense to me. Yeah, I don't even want to look at this part. Mmm, jalapeno grill. Jalapeno business.
    113:11
    Uber pins. Oh, we're doing it. We're doing the boat stream. Oh, we got a plan. We're going to stream something from the boat. We just got to figure out the hot spot. We're just sitting in the driveway. Whatever. Yes.
    113:31
    The issue when it's in the driveway is you need to lift the pin so high to get it into that boat. That thing sits so high off the ground. Dude, if we didn't, we'd be like a little crane. No, why, dude? You know how it is. Four guys. Four guys. No, dude, you and I can get, if we do, we could stream Elvira on the boat.
    113:49
    Because you know I could get that pin on that machine by myself if I wanted to. The pin on that machine? Wait, the pin on the boat without help. Oh, yeah, yeah, you got your ways. I got my ways. I get you now. Hey, listen, for everybody in chat, I brought this Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles here in a Jeep Patriot. And it doesn't fit in a Jeep Patriot, so ask me how it's done. Bill's good at taking things apart and putting them back together. Yes, I am.
    114:18
    Oh, the Escalera forklift. Zach, unless you've got the 10-foot high model, I don't know if it'd drop one in. Hey, all we need is some stairs. But all your Escalera needs. Contact Zach and Nicole. Watch this, watch this. Go, look.
    114:39
    Oh, that's... There we go. It's twice. Yeah, baby. Five million. Oh! This is hell. All right. I guess I'll... Wow. Okay. It looks like I'm in trouble. Finish this off here.
    114:55
    No. All right. So, just getting caught back up. Yeah, play field on a gimbal. I like it. No, guys. We're doing a real pinball machine. I love a mill. flipping out pinballs, Escalera. So I actually had to move four pinball machines and a golden tee out of my basement about two to three weeks ago. And that literally, we did it in an hour and saved my back. It was beautiful. So any type of concerns with that, they're definitely worth the investment.
    115:27
    So how early on in design did you know you were going to do multicolored GI? So multicolored GI is something we try to do really, really early. and then we hang on to it tightly as the people with the purse strings come by and go, this game costs too much. They go, no, no, no, but we would have these three out anyway, and we're just making them multicolor because it's going to be fun.
    115:50
    So we know it's pretty early, and sometimes they get cut out because of cost, and sometimes we have to hang on to them. Zyde, yeah, he's getting up there.
    116:10
    CNK-Y, no, I actually took the... I take the heads out. So the modern sterns are really easy to move. There's like six connectors inside of the head. You take those off. You have your two 5-inch bolts on the inside of the cabinet. Zip those out with an impact head that's pretty clear to come off. So then I slide the cabinet in, and then I slide the head on the side. Nice. Very nice. Yeah. Beautiful.
    116:34
    We've never really talked about this, but the modern sterns are so easy to move, like for tight spaces and stuff like that. So if you've got a 90-degree turn, the head comes off in, like, six connectors. The bottom of the playfield comes out in, I think, three connections. There's three. Yep. So you can yank the playfield out. You know, you can tear your side blades in when you want. Yep. you know, a viral one, I brought it into my house. I took the playfield out, brought it all, you know, at 5.30 in the morning, you know, I'm not asking anyone for help, yanked the head off real quick, pulled the playfield and brought them all down separately, done in about 25 minutes. Yeah. In my house, I'm often changing between the pro and the premium. Yeah. Because I've got to do some work on the premium, I've got to do some work on the pro, so I'm swapping them back and forth. It's three plugs, you take out the balls, lift it up, three plugs, lift the game out, set it down, put the other game in, three plugs, six balls in your rack. Yeah. So anyone with, if you're watching and you've got a real situation with either, you know, like your stairs or getting it up someplace that's inconvenient, an apartment building or whatever, they're really nice to move, especially when you take them apart. I mean, awesome. I know that's not a selling feature, but for me it is when I'm, you know, going through games in all honesty.
    117:50
    Bill's going to get lost. We're finally having a good game. You guys are, I'm still like 300,000 points. Is he beating me? I don't know. No, I have like 11 million. Yeah, he's behind with 17 million. Like, you know, some secret coding or something in here. There we go. Hit the button, hit the button, hit the button, hit the button. If we're teammates, can I hit the button for you? No. Yeah? No, you can't. You can't? No, I can't. I can't? I can't. Yeah? No.
    118:26
    Because the guy played by himself. So this code reduced that score. That score used to be higher. And now a PC behind us isn't quite worth as much. That's alright. No, no, it was right. I think 6 million was good.
    118:39
    Go, go. Slappy White is a huge feature when you can move a game by yourself. High five to Malky Ball.
    118:47
    Look at this. 6 million? I mean, 6x? Steve and Dwight, you guys have had a wonderful game. Alright, you're starting to beat us. Yeah. I'd be happy with you beating any one of us. Either of us. I'm down like a lot.
    119:10
    So usually it's six balls in a game, but this time, you know, this time John really wanted the stage balls, so then I'm like, well if we're gonna do stage balls, we can put in eight balls. And then we just put some air.
    119:24
    So it was John that wanted to stage the ball. He was big on having a multi-ball that everybody would get the same number of balls. Sure. And then once he decided that, then I'm like, well, let's just put eight balls in the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we make it special. Yep.
    119:43
    I love that. Uh-oh, he's got Ninja Multi-Ball. Ninja Multi-Ball, which friend is he going? He's got a chance. It's mathematically possible.
    119:54
    Zach asked, why does pizza actually button stop at 40? That was another John decision. I was going to, like, instead of, like, the tie-dye, it goes up forever. This is how many, this is more like seconds. Like, you're like, how fast can you eat 40 slices of pizza? Oh, there you go. So the cool thing is how, you know, like your time. Yep. I was lucky enough to be trapped up when you're like, hey, Bob, I was just going to hit it for you, He went villain on me.
    120:27
    It probably would have screwed my ball up more than anything. Correct. There are eight balls on the premium and early model. And six on the pro. Yep. Oh, he's got a hurry-up going and a frenzy multi-ball.
    120:42
    Shoot the right order, Bill. Wait, you're on my team. I think he can hit a lot of stuff. He's too concerned. Oh, he lets the hurry up time out on him. A cool fun fact that I think some people know now is the TV is showing scenes from Elvira. Elvira the pinball machine. Wow. I didn't catch that. Yeah, so what? Very cool. What? Oh, he's the last one, so we're done. You know what? It's better than the 300,000 I went into with, so I will settle for it. Yeah, that's freaking cool. You did good. You entertained them like that. Oh, look at that. Player two. Oh, my God. Hey!
    121:41
    Oh, I forgot my hand. You need to enter in the digital. I have the sound, the little sound thing that we have. We have a board that goes in the front of the cabinet that lets you plug in your headphones. And it has a little knob there. I have one of those. I have mirror blades on my Star Wars. And I have the HP glass. You've got to call it a VAT, right? No. Thank you. You've got to get it. Oh, this is... Yeah, player one. Player one, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, buddy.
    122:24
    All right. Sorry, guys. Had to check up on the phone. Winnie Miller doesn't count. Almost 8 o'clock.
    122:31
    I think at about 8 o'clock we'll run another Pay Some Bills, run another commercial, and maybe another couple of games, and then we'll go into chat. Yep, get with it. And then give our good friend Zach a call. Zach from Flippin' Out Pinball.
    122:47
    8-1-2. You are now the Donatello Champion. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It doesn't count, though.
    122:54
    You are now the Raphael Champion. Woo! 20 mil or doesn't count, BD. High school won. Oh, look at that.
    123:10
    Hey, what's wrong with Hart? And I like the music selections today on the podcast. My wife was like, what the hell are you listening to again?
    123:24
    Listen to your heart. Oh, poor Zach. He had to fly so low. All right, I'll tell you what. You want to run the commercial? Why are we saying poor Jeff?
    123:38
    Poor Tealus? I don't know. I missed it. I didn't follow. We can scroll back up. All right, fuck. I always get the 40 because he has a strong clipper. Or strong finger.
    123:57
    He's got a strong forearm. Finger is strong. He's got a forearm, man. It's 8 o'clock. We've got one more hour. Yeah. Yeah, so I think in a minute we're going to run our commercial. I'm going to get in contact with Zach, and then him and I are going to discuss some things because we'll get him on the phone here at some point. Let me call and set up a time with him. and I think we are all good. Is that the end of the chat? So yeah, if you want to go ahead and run that, Steve, I will get in contact and we'll move on from there. See you guys in 10 seconds.
    124:39
    And welcome back to Monday Night Pinball. Bill just had to step out and pretend he's making a phone call and... What? Good to have you again, man.
    124:51
    God, thanks for the bits. Woo! Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Gotta love it, right? I do. That's good. Bum, bum, bum, bum. I like this part.
    125:05
    Do, do, do, do, do, do. It's like a spy coming through. This is like... Like Funky Town. Funkytown Spa Time. Tutor. Ass. Oh, not ass. Yes. You heard correct.
    125:25
    Zach, if you're looking to stream in October, let me know. I'm going to ride one more time. Actually, we need to, where's Bill music?
    125:41
    Guess it was that one. What's that? 10 DMCA. Oh, thanks, Dennis. That's awesome. Yeah. Zach, we're going to need to talk about this. So Dennis gave us 10 bits. Toward the DMCA takedown. I don't know how bits work.
    126:08
    I'm afraid to give them my credit card number. Yeah. Yeah, they basically take your real money, turn it into fake money, and keep like 20% of it. Oh, you know, I don't want to do that. Yeah. That's how bets work. Can't I just come over here and give you a dollar?
    126:28
    You can. We can play for dollars. And you can take all of our dollars. Which is the same thing. It's just the same thing. So, yeah, you might as well just give me the cash now. All right, so what are we going to do when Bill gets back? We're going to play co-op?
    126:41
    I'm down for some co-op. Or normal. Let's see. I think Bill's on the phone with Zach now. Let's see what they're conspiring here. And, yeah, I would like to do co-op. All right. Let's do that.
    126:56
    We'll play three-player co-op, and I can yell at you guys for not making your skill shots. Yes. Hey, two-tort!
    127:05
    Thanks, buddy. Can you guys hear our emotes? I'd buy that for a dollar. I heard it. I know you heard it. I know we can hear it on our end.
    127:18
    Tony scoots 100 bits to Dwight. So now you... Do I have money? I think we need to give those to you. We'll have to figure that out.
    127:28
    Not hearing it here. Okay, so they don't hear it. I don't know. Do other streaming channels, can you hear the subscriptions and stuff? Yeah. So when I listen to Zach,
    127:39
    I can hear his stuff. Sure, okay. I don't know how to do that. Hang on, let me try something. You have enough bits to buy four salsas. Let me try this here.
    127:48
    It's important to have enough salsa. Okay, I like salsa. All right. Let me test the widget. You're tort. Thank you much, man. I appreciate the bits. Tony's foods. Wow, man, I leave for a minute and you guys are like bit rich over here, man. Let me know if you guys hear this. Ready? Does that mean I need to leave? More often.
    128:03
    Yeah. I can see you leave, so just come back and then leave. Then come back and then leave. All right. Let me know if you hear a little wee. No, no taking. Every ten minutes I'll step away for a minute. Chad, let me know if that's coming through. It's pretty quiet, but... I need to get this figured out. I just got a new mixing board. It's a lot of stuff here. Not coming through. All right, how about this one? Oh, yes. I know we can hear that.
    128:29
    That's my desktop audio. It's set up for... Oh, yeah. That's a monitor and output. See, I don't get it. Oh, okay. You guys can hear them then. We'll keep that on. All right. Rock on. All right, so I think the next thing we have to do is co-op mode, Dwight, right? Yeah, so let's do co-op. Sweet. All right. So we have to decide who's going to be what turtle and in what order are we going to play because whoever bats cleanup has got the biggest responsibility. All right, so I'm going to say let's reverse the order since you're a little more familiar. All right, so like Steve, then you, then me. Yeah, you're the anchor on this. So what turtle do you want?
    129:05
    Well, then, so none of us have to be Leo. Leo's the hardest. I don't care. Nor do I. Just stop adding clean up and give me Raph. Okay, Raph for you. Okay, I'll start it up and we'll see what happens. Who do you want?
    129:20
    Anybody besides Raph or Leo. I don't care. I'll go Donnie. I need to get that freaking skill shot. Right. All right, so I'm going Michelangelo. And then hold the left flipper button in and the ball will come all the way around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can beat it. Yeah. For sure. And then we're playing co-op, so we can hit each other's buttons. Are we all set up here or do I need to set up co-op? No, you set it up. Well, you have to, you have to, no, push the two-plugger button. Oh, yeah.
    129:46
    Do you want me to show you another way? Let me show you another way. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Here's another way that you guys haven't seen.
    129:54
    So, so. Dennis, I love the Popeye fail. Zach, we need to talk a little bit about Popeye and our love-hate of Popeye. No, wrong one.
    130:06
    So, here you can change your default. Gotcha. Right? You can, you can. no. From standard to competition to cooperative, co-opless. And then so you can just fit it like that and be like that forever. So every time you want to come play hey I know I want to play co-op. Right. And then so if you set it to co-op like we all do it automatically starts co-op. Now if you start a game we're in co-op and if you don't know that it tells you that right there. Right. This game is set to co-op. Right. And then if you hold in the two-plevers you can still play standard. Cool. Right. You can still play all three of them. But right now we're playing co-op. I like you. Three player co-op. If you have to hit the button three times, if you want to play three players, you have to hit the button once per player just like normal. Yeah, definitely a new code feature. What Leo wants, what Leo gets. Oh my gosh! Later you're doing better, Dennis. Alright, he picked Donatello, so then just cut with Michael. Alright. Yeah. You said that the fellow with the hardest stuff, didn't you?
    131:09
    Fellow what? Who's the hardest? Did you make a skill shot? Oh, I was... I get sent in a skill shot and then I blow my whole...
    131:18
    Blow my balls. Okay, okay, okay. ...Turtle, we have to save the city. I think we've lost her. But we're out of time.
    131:29
    So, Dennis, who's the pot light fan? Marlon, what's up, buddy? into the pizza parlor for your skills.
    131:40
    Did he make a skill shot? Marlon comes in, says goodnight, and then bounces. But there's no pressure on me if my teammates don't make their skill shots. See you next time.
    131:49
    We don't, you know, we're kind people like that. We don't want to put our guests under a lot of pressure. You guys have the exact same score. How'd you do that? Whoa! Cowabunga, dude!
    132:01
    You know, it's always When you get a certain group of people in here, we always somehow manage to find the Popeye comment. It's always Popeye. Now I'm hungry again because I need the Popeye chicken. Dude, I had their spicy chicken the other day. Man, that was pretty good. I made some chicken and waffles two nights ago. Popeye's here for you, Dennis. Get it. My stomach is still destroyed from my chicken and waffles. Oh my gosh. Natural chicken? I might have some bad oil going on. So Dwight's doing good. That shot's tough. You're just finding your way. I don't know. I can hit that inner loop. The inner loop? The inner ramp is just a little... Now you're calling it the inner ramp. You got center ramp, inner ramp, upper right ramp, right ramp. Okay, center ramp. We'll call it center ramp.
    133:05
    What? We're not three people that people should watch for a good play. They're here for the entertainment. Yeah, nobody tunes in to flipping out pinball for a good pinball play. Unless they're watching Zach. Zach can throw down. Yeah, Zach can throw down. Hey, but if you have questions on taking something apart, I think I can direct most people on that deal. All right. Well, I'm glad that I came to the right show. Absolutely. We've talked about Monopoly. Hi Tiger Blood! Alright guys, coming up about 8.30 we're going to get Zach on the line and you guys might want to pay attention for that. Yeah, Popeye's pinball machine is great for certain things. So how valuable is going for April? Is it something that I want to do? If I have like two lights left to go. Well, she probably got like two million on that last game. Okay. And so she can be valuable, but you have to stack her with something else. Okay, so you want to stack. And if you're a good player, you need five Aprils to get to Cowabunga. You have to fill at least five in the morning, right? Right. Bill's Corner, yeah. We haven't done a Bill's Corner in a while. That's good to know, though. I still need my Dwight hugs. Everyone needs hugs from Dwight.
    134:31
    Popeye is the worst super pin. You know what, Dennis? But it's a great game if you need parts to wrap them.
    134:39
    Tigerfly gives great hugs. I'm sorry? Tigerfly gives great hugs. Does he? He does. I don't know who that is. I do. Okay. Yeah, Dennis, when you want to build a virtual pin, I think Popeye's a great game to build a virtual pin.
    134:59
    And all the Popeye owners that do love the pinball machine, they should be happy that we have this opinion because it force appreciates Popeye's when someone decommissions their Popeye's for parts.
    135:13
    You know, it makes the value of the other ones go up. And I agree with Dennis Friesel, man. The Demoman is a great slow pin. You know, I sold two of them, and the other day I was like, You know if a devil man came up at a good price I wouldn't mind owning it again But I would definitely want a pin sound that game
    135:32
    Yeah Dennis, I know you built the virtual pin man You know we're giving crap, I don't think Popeye is a bad game There's other games that I like a little more
    135:46
    In all fairness There's not a lot of games that I'd say literally buy this game to part it out you know, because if you can save a game, you always save a game. You never part a game out if you can avoid it. You know. Slappy White 2000? Um, doesn't want, sorry. Um, little Doesn't want, sorry A little while We'll be doing that here soon
    136:19
    Yeah Zach, I agree there, man Star Wars Premium or LE does flow Rick Shiland, he You have a message I think you should read it.
    136:36
    Hey, thanks, man. Thanks. I'd love to hear what you thought about it once you played it. Yeah, so make sure you reach out to Dwight and let him know. I know, Dwight, you like when people let you know their feelings.
    136:52
    Well, not everyone does. Yeah, you know. Just another pinball stream. That's actually an interesting thought there. No, so... Well, no, it does that now. That's another John one. Every time you push start, it randomly picks a turtle. Whenever you just push start and plunge, you're going to get a random turtle every time. Okay.
    137:17
    I always feel like it defaults to Donatello. It does not. No. Or maybe I'm just... You know, when Steve and I are talking, I'm not paying attention. That could be very possible, too. All right, so I go next. I have a lead, right?
    137:29
    So player two. Don't this hold. Is it player two? Yeah, player two's up. Didn't I go first? I thought you went third. I went third. I went first. I'm black and clean up. So my progress doesn't carry over to you, because I had to get layer right now.
    137:50
    So the progress that carries over is your episodes that you've completed. Okay, not your actual shots. And then all the progress that we all make for Cowabunga combines it all for all of us. Cool.
    138:02
    Skill shot. Love it. Ooh, I got my heart going. Scott of Pitt Stadium, what's up, man? Thanks for the bit. It's cool. So now if I make my skill shot, I'll have four hurry-ups waiting for me. Not like I've made two all night. Oh, Bill almost got it in the lair, too.
    138:20
    Yeah, I think I've made one tonight. The right orbit, Bill. I'm trying. Just not hard enough. There you go. Nice, buddy. Now to center. Not the side ramp, but the center ramp. Well done. Quick train.
    138:36
    Good try, good try. Good try. But I need to make mine. If I make mine, I'll have four hurry-ups in a row sitting there waiting for me, which doesn't mean much because I've only made two once tonight. That's all right. Two once tonight. Hey, listen, everybody's just having a good time. Hopefully we're having a good time. Four million, that's cool. Penn State, oh, Scott's in the house. Got him. We got Scott. Scottish. Roboty Scotty. Yeah.
    139:04
    Personal thing. Dude, I got my stuff on my Elvira. Got it on Baywatch, man. We're good to go. I'm going to be like another Penn Stadium. Here we go. Now it's flashing red and orange.
    139:22
    There's one. Oh man, get up there! So close. I think the shredder mode would be pretty cool. Not mode, but having me be able to reverse one. This music gets you pumped up. Oh, my God.
    139:56
    Woo! It gets you pumped, though, right? Ah, now I saw it. It was awesome. I had four lit, but I only had one. I only got one. Better than what I got.
    140:08
    All right, ball three. Hey, this is our... What's a good co-op score? Because I feel like... Well, good for who? Good for us? I feel like I had single ball, way better scores than our three combined. Right. Yeah. Hey. Are you having fun? I'm having fun. That's all that matters.
    140:27
    All right. Slappy White. I do want to know, what's a respectable co-op for? For three players. Three very good players. Take three good players and add their score together. Right. 45 million. Like, take Zach times three. So, like, we should have had, when we had our 2v1, we'd have, like, 25 million. Yeah. And we still each have a ball, we're good. Yep. How was your score? You know, the score isn't any different or? So Slappy White had an interesting idea, I don't know if you've thought about it. What was his idea? In the Shredder mode, Shredder doesn't earn points, he just takes them away from the turtles and tries to get down to zero. Well, there's a spreader hurry up in team up that's sort of like that.
    141:18
    All right, your last one. Show us how it's done. All right, Bill. Show you how it's done. Show us how it's done. I can lose. Show me what you've got. Oh.
    141:34
    Painful realization. You want a player to be Shredder in team mode. Subtract points maybe. That would be kind of cool. Yeah. Right, 2v1. 1v1. Cancel your score. All of my points as the 1 subtract your guys' score. Yeah, that'd be... I always got ideas flowing over here. Or 3v1.
    142:34
    Your score's been shredded. Oh, Bill got in the lair. You got training lit. Stacky, you chromed a Popeye. Are we back on Popeye? Yeah, Dennis always brings us back. Alright, last chance for any points. Did you get the skill shot? No, I didn't. I hit none of mine. I got one or two. I got one. Donatello's hard. I don't know.
    143:08
    I'll do Donatello next time. Alright, so getting caught up on you here guys, give me a second. Zach, dude, Dennis goes as Popeye and you go as Olive. Dude, I would go to that Halloween party, I don't care where it's at. Oh my goodness. Oh, I totally missed that. You would road trip for that, right? Oh my gosh, I would! Hey, we could all meet in St. Louis. Oh, I don't know if I could handle it. I don't know if I could sit there at like a dinner table. I don't know if I could handle it. Oh, I don't know if I can handle it. I don't know if I can sit there at like a dinner table or at a table at a restaurant and Zach is olive oil and Dennis is Popeye. Oh, my God. I think Zach is taller than Dennis, if I'm not mistaken. So it might look a little unproportionate, but it would still be cool. I don't know if I want this thought in my head right now. Part of the problem is... Tony is such a bludo. I was going to say this earlier.
    144:11
    You're never really getting into the groove standing at the game and continue playing. You're taking breaks every time you walk back.
    144:21
    The one neg of this format, I'd say, is you don't... You're not constantly playing. You don't get that. Yeah, you don't get that.
    144:31
    So it is harder to get a more consistent game because it's up, down, up, down. You never really, you know, have that consistency of playing game after game after game and getting your shots down. In this format.
    144:44
    Or we all just... But don't hit... Like I say when I play Call of Duty, or we all just pull our heads out of our asses and put some shit together right now. All right. Woo! Hey, you know... It only takes one ball.
    145:01
    Four-inch crease will come. Yeah, Zach, what is that coming out? The four-inch crease will come. I can see Zach just getting the four-inch cleaser.
    145:08
    No, no, no, for Halloween. Sorry. It's getting very warm in the mask. Yeah, if there's no pinball expo, man, maybe we'll have to meet in St. Louis for a Halloween shindig.
    145:20
    That'd be fun. That'd be cool. St. Louis and then... I doubt Dennis will go as olive oil, but you know do you really want that? the price is an admission Dennis would be Popeye are you thinking Dennis is olive oil? oh no no I'm sorry Zach was supposed to go with olive oil now that I can see I can understand yeah he would be animated and play the part well yeah he doesn't care man he's not about being you know no right a joke at a certain point not like Dennis would care I just don't speak Dennis no no no you were right sorry I had a brain flop I'm reading and focusing on two different things so it's hard but alright so getting caught back up here on chat and then in a few minutes we'll probably give him a call or do we want to do one more game? let's do one more co-op same order same everything alright so we're going I start don't go as Donatello you can go Michelangelo and you wanted Raphael alright so let's get set up is that Bluto right there? yes it is sorry guys you guys can't see Leo is... Steve has the pin to DMD clock, a giant one. And it plays these animations. And every time there's an animation that Dwight recognizes, or even we recognize, we try to call it out. Is Leo the lair shot, or can I hit either orbit? Leo is the lair shot. Yeah, you don't have to be Leo.
    146:43
    He's above our pay grade. There it is. Finally. Excellent. My turn. Oh, you did the video skill check.
    146:59
    Wow. Kill a butt. Now he's got one million points maybe on the ramp. Nice. On the center ramp. Upper right center ramp.
    147:12
    All right, so Dwight, there was a question that came in. Dwight, please tell me that you and everyone in Spurrin refers to your light shows as Dwight shows. I know you've heard that reference before called Dwight shows. Nobody calls them that. Okay.
    147:25
    You know what we're talking about. No, I didn't know what you were talking about. Okay, yeah. I mean, you do some incredible light shows in pinball. Thank you. Well, it's just the honest truth. I mean, that's why people are saying it that way. All right, all right, cool. All right, all right. All right, so we're going to catch back up here a little bit.
    147:42
    Slappy White 2001, you'll have to be on the line here a little bit. Zach will call, and then he sets the rules, and we just follow. All right, you make your skill shot, and then I'll make mine, and then I can do six hurry-ups in a row. Two? Two? I like the size. Yeah, I can't... Market Trends is definitely one of the favorites. Yeah.
    148:03
    But you have an opportunity now to do four in a row. If you make your skill shot, you can do four hurry-ups in a row. He just got one out of two. Two in a row.
    148:16
    Yeah, the shot I couldn't make all night, the layer shot. You made it just now. Yeah, as soon as I go to...
    148:24
    I need you. We have more time, guys. Yes, uh, Zach, we are in co-op mode. Is there anybody else tuning in?
    148:42
    Oh! I vote for more singing. Longer market trends. and more bad shit. So Dennis, you guys could make the episode like three hours long, and then it won't be 25% anymore.
    149:03
    That's one way to get about it. Ooh! Can I call in on the stinking segment? I sing pretty well. Zach, we need to talk. I need to get the call-in set up here.
    149:33
    There's a chance we could do $50 million. Extra ball. Look at that. Boom. We're well on our way to that extra ball. That's a Dwight show.
    149:46
    With the pie fighter multi-ball. 50 million we're going to go for 50 million I think we can do it yeah we can do it there some layer some layer action we have to do better than we have to do twice as good as our best game tonight Yeah we done all night We got it I had the pep talk We good We good All right
    150:18
    It's been fun. All right, I got this. You guys need to think of a long topic to talk about because I'm going to be over there. We got it. I'll be over there for a few minutes.
    150:34
    It's the next topic. Oh, he's still playing. All right. Oh, yeah, he got the extra ball. That's right.
    150:40
    Sweet. So what were we talking about? Which one? Piggy Star says, Zach and Dennis, why don't you guys ever do interviews?
    150:50
    I enjoy the show format, or as it is. I get it. There are other podcasts that do interviews. You guys do them all. You guys do them. Stick well.
    151:05
    Marlon. Someone that can sing and code would be a great addition to the CPS. I can code. And you can sing. And I can sing. That's your gig, man. I'm the singing coder. The singing coder. That's why they put your office all the way. In your own basement. Fly me to the moon. I still remember someone doing Riverboat Gambler on a podcast a long time ago. I want to fire away the poison. Grab on that lucky riverboat. Take a chance. Make it happen. Maybe you'll get lucky. Grab on that lucky riverboat.
    151:44
    I know where I'm going to be. You guys took raft with me? I did? Oh, no, no, no, no. Wait. Did you take raft? You took raft. Come on, man.
    151:55
    I'm sorry. You know what? It selected it for me and I wasn't paying attention. That'll do it. I don't know if we're going to hit that 50 mil. We don't know if we're going to hit that 50. All right, maybe let's go down anyway. All right, we're getting caught up here in the set. Nice. Enjoy the retro music.
    152:49
    This is what I do all day at work. It's a hard knock life for Joy. I love the enthusiasm. That's some rockin' music right here.
    153:14
    Yeah, Zach, you know what? Reading your response there, you know, every time we talk, I try and keep the phone calls within a certain amount of minutes so I don't regress back to my childhood too far.
    153:25
    You know, because then I'm going to be getting a bill not only for the machine you drop off, but then for the session. You know? We're always going to get two bills from flipping out pinballs. We go good. That makes sense.
    153:37
    There we go. Zach does interviews for a living. This is true. And they usually probably regret back to childhood.
    153:46
    I don't have enough. And the other problem is I don't have a comfortable enough couch to lay on. I love this session.
    153:54
    Hey, Dwight, would you want to be on my next session? I mean, interview? Thanks. Put your head down on this couch. Yeah, right? Let's talk.
    154:05
    Okay, Dwight is lighting it up. So, Zach, we've been getting questions about when we're getting an LE to flip.
    154:26
    Yeah, we were getting questions. Yeah. between ourselves. No, we have to know. No, we have people on chat asking if we're getting off. I don't want you to play. No! Nice ball, Dwight. Woo! 50 million gets two sets of Art Blades. Oh, so these people got a pure score up here. If we get 50 million, we'll give away two sets of art blades. Oh, there's one of those 50 million. That's five of them. Oh. So three balls, we got five of them. We're on ball two though, right? Well, we've played three balls. Yeah. Out of the nine balls, we've played three. So in nine balls of the three, we've gotten one tenth of the way there. Ten percent.
    155:22
    Ten percent of the time it works. A hundred percent of the time. Sorry, that's a quote from Anchorman where he goes, you know, 60% of the time it works. A hundred percent of the time. You ever saw Anchorman? I hate wheel throw. Good to know. No way. So I know which pin you'll never be doing.
    155:44
    Dude, dude, You owe us two art blades. I was a painful duck. Alright. Hey Xbox, record that.
    155:58
    There was no saving that. You were a bunch of... ...fishes. Come on, you got it. This is teamwork. I'm counting on my team to pull this weight. Who's doing that? Those dead weights?
    156:17
    Nah, that was a... I bet they're up to no good. What is this? Fall to love. Love the 80s. 80s tunes. Baby, it's so hot right now. Hello!
    156:58
    There we go. Oh! Boy, you should do some voiceover work. No. Yeah, I talked to Mark Silk. Here's what he gave back today. You know if you bump that game, it won't drain the book. I know how much love goes into these cabinets that get built, so I don't like dancing with them and disturbing their integrity. Alright, here we go. This is ball six for us out of nine. That's right, right Kyland? That's right. Yep, that's what it was. 60% of the time it works, 100% of the time. Oh, that shot is still hard. Use the central ramp for your skill shot. Which shot? The mark still calls it the center ramp. He does, that's what we're going to call it center ramp.
    158:10
    So if we only get to 20% of our goal of $50 million at $10 million, can we give 20% of our play-up to the Art Place?
    158:21
    No. So I can't talk. You can't talk. I have pizza contest lit when I get back. But two balls are ready for lock for me. All right. We're not terribly far off on the bag.
    158:37
    All right. I think we can do it. Sweet. Oh, my gosh. I think we can do it. We only need $45 million still.
    158:48
    18th hole of Augusta. Cinderella story. You're an Adam Sandler fan, right? A little bit. I was just doing Bill Murray from Candy Can, though. You know, where he's killing the flowers with the... whatever it is. Smashing them. I haven't seen it. Okay, all right. So hold the phone. I am ready to turn the game off. So you give me crap about not seeing Star Wars, right? One of the best movies ever. And then you have Caddyshack. I've never seen it. You've never seen Caddyshack? I'm sorry.
    159:25
    Wow. We could do a double feature one night. Star Wars and Caddyshack. I'm speechless. I can't believe you've never seen alright so that's Billy like you don't know me very well but it's Bill Murray is great and Chevy Chase is great it's a great movie I believe you uh Rodney Dangerfield I just I normally don't go in for that kind of movie though I normally don't go in for I'm a Wild and Crazy Guy or Will Ferrell movies or you know that kind of crap you know eh The one that I thought was so stupid it was good was Holmes and Watson.
    160:10
    It's so dumb it's funny. Like I haven't seen, you know, Dumb and Dumber. You know, I haven't seen all the Mel Brooks movies. So you've never seen Blazing Saddles? I think it's like that. Spaceballs? Correct, I've not seen it. So you're a Star Wars fan, but you've never seen Spaceballs. Because they make fun of Spaceballs.
    160:29
    What? Because they make fun of Star Wars. Okay. All right, I'll leave it alone. Something made fun of that. No, I agree. No, I mean, that's not why. I'm not a fan of that type of movie. I get it.
    160:43
    I have a hard time with some of the sci-fi stuff. Like Young Frankenstein, even though Gene Wilder is a genius, right? And Gilda Recker? Yeah. They're comedy geniuses, right? But I haven't seen Young Frankenstein. That one I haven't seen either, so that's why. Well, I think it's pretty good. I mean, I hear it's really good, but it's just not my kind of music.
    161:05
    Can he say it? I can't. Or, or, or Stripes. I haven't seen Stripes. Oh, my God. Stripes is like, what is this? Right, see?
    161:16
    All right, so let's go back. All right, all right, all right. I'll settle. Yeah, no dumb and dumber.
    161:26
    Tigerfly, you've never seen. Wow. Did Steve have a good ball there? Alright, you doubled our score. It was okay. Okay, so now we only have $40 million to go. Alright, did you see Wet Hot American Summer?
    161:42
    Bill, we only need $40 million. Get your head in the game now. Never seen it. Get your head in the game. Who has ever seen Candy Shackers baseballs? Or stripes? Oh, that's actually... Or Blazing Saddles. Have you seen those? Or Blazing Saddles. Have you ever seen any of those? I've seen all of them besides stripes.
    161:59
    That's a backjack! So 40 million, leave me a few points to get Bill. All right. I want to get you right there. Get me to the edge. Let me take it over to the front. I want you to be the hero. I want to be the hero too. I want to hear Zach singing Hero by Ricky's Lace. Talking about Dwight.
    162:21
    Hey. I can be your hero, baby. All right. You've got pizza eating kids. You've got Pizza Contest lit as well. That should be like 5 million. So you need to hit either of the two targets or drain. You know, drain's an option.
    162:42
    See, Dumb and Dumber was more my thing. The thing about gravity is that it works well. Not my speed. More my time, I mean. Jim Carrey in the 90s, come on.
    162:52
    Looks like The Mask, dude. The Mask is another awesome one that he did. I mean, never Jim Carrey movie in the 90s. I kind of assumed everybody saw that.
    163:01
    There's a hundred thousand. Like, it was on, like when you filed your taxes, did you see this movie? It was like, you know. A deduction if you got to.
    163:12
    Alright, that does never seem to hang over. Okay. Alright, so I gotta catch up on you. Okay, we're good. Dude, one and two. I probably can. Tony Scoots, I'm literally gonna, I'm gonna let him borrow KTK. That's it? I have it on DVD. That's it?
    163:28
    I got one. Dennis! I'm going to go with the ball. And then I drain down the middle. How could you... Batting clean up. Oh, but we got... We got inter-international hangover. Oh, okay. Player one. That's all of us. Well, all three of us will get inter-international. Oh. We really want to take care of this guy. Just put Bill in for me. Put Zachary in for me. I want my name in there. Airplane movies are awesome. I haven't... Yeah, see, they're not from me. I haven't seen any of them. Airplane movies were awesome. I haven't, yeah, see, they're not for me.
    164:01
    Did you ever see Airplane or no? Probably not the whole thing. Okay. Like, I know a lot of the quotes, right, because a lot of them are in Pump Cult. Yeah, good luck, we're all counting on you. Well, or, you know, you ever seen Nick and Man's Shower? Yeah. No, you ever seen The Grown Man Naked? The Grown Man Naked, right, that's it. Uh-huh. Yeah.
    164:23
    Such an inappropriate movie. so many lines that are not good. That's why it's pop culture, but it's not my kind of movie. What about Hangover? No. I haven't seen it, but... Okay. I bet it's a good movie. It's all right. It's, you know... What, Hangover 2 or... Hangover 2 is okay.
    164:43
    Police Academy? All right, it's Police Academy. I've seen Police Academy. All right. The best part of Police Academy was the guy that could make any sound with his mouth. Yeah, not Goldberg. Yeah, Jones. I forget his real name, though. Yeah.
    165:06
    Turtle Power. Michael Winslow. Yeah, hey, you know what? We learned a lot tonight. So in a few minutes when Steve comes back, we're going to give our favorite flipping out pinball guy a call here. And, uh, see if we can work out some stuff for people. Crawl.
    165:29
    Uh, you know what? That is on Zach. So whatever rules he sets in place for this will be, uh, what's followed.
    165:45
    Why didn't you surprise me with the candy shake thing, dude? Now I know how you felt with Star Wars. I get it. No.
    165:53
    I know it wasn't delivered. Star Wars is a religion for me. Candy Shake is a religion for me. All right. You're one of the founders of the Star Wars. I am? I know. You were at the groundbreaking. I get it. Is that a Diaposki over there?
    166:08
    It looks like a Coke is going to be there. All right. Or a Coke is going to be there. What's the... Let me see that. Oh, it's a Coke Zero? Coke Zero. Oh, I'm Coke Zero. Can I have a Coke Zero? Yeah. Thanks. You're sure? Dwight, I screwed up. I forgot to get your code zero today. No. It's right here. A Pepsi. A Pepsi one. Like, talk on those because they're just better for you. You guys want to be pure L? You know what? Yeah. We did a game, so we'll do some of this. Yeah. We'll do a pure L-E-10. All right, guys. So, the time is 840. I think we're going to give our favorite pinball personality a call.
    166:45
    I'm right here. Oh! Our second favorite pinball personality. Can you pinball? Let's do a little quick promo here. Oh, oh, oh.
    167:01
    All right. All right, so we're going to wait for Dwight to come back. What are we doing? JT Audio, what's going on? Zach, I knew you were going to call that out. I meant to mute that desktop audio. What are we doing? We are going to call Zach Minney. Zach Minney? I love that guy.
    167:24
    Flippin' out pinball, this is Zach. I love you, Dwight! Do you still love him even though he hasn't seen Caddyshack, though?
    167:35
    Yeah, but look... Think about that. That was close. I'm not saying Caddyshack is nothing to you. I'm not saying Star Wars. Let's be real. Oh, that's a good point. Oh.
    167:44
    I mean, no. I'm not going to cry. It's our response. As long as I still have a job streaming next week, We're good.
    167:51
    You know what? I've got a handkerchief or something. Are you ready? I can be your hero, Snowy.
    168:01
    All right. I'm going to multiply all your pain. You know what's crazy? We're going to have to get Mark Silk to actually do a nice version of that, record it, and do that as our pinball opening.
    168:15
    We're going to need something with all this AML and MLP stuff going on. Yeah, right? Absolutely. So, everyone's going to be... You guys are enjoying The Turtles tonight. Okay. It was a lot of fun. I wish it was there. So, Tigerfly talks about The Jerk. Now, I have seen The Jerk, which goes against, you know, my normal thing. Like, I don't like Steve in that normal way, but The Jerk is a great movie. But Zach called me out. I haven't seen Star Wars, so I'm down. I get it. I'll watch some Star Wars. I will not agree that Steve Martin is a better banjo player than he is a fucking comedian. Come on. But The Jerk is really funny. Yeah, yeah. I'll agree with that. And like, what was the movie where he was the guy with the big nose? Oh, the fireman, you know.
    169:00
    That was a good movie, but I can't even think of it. That's like the one, well, besides the three Amigos.
    169:05
    It's like Roxanne. No, what about Transplanes and Automobiles? That was a good movie. Oh, too old. I like my 90s comedy.
    169:15
    Oh, come on, dude. Too old. Come on, three Amigos. That's fascinating. Oh, yeah. Three and a go, man. The only person I care about from that genre or from that time period is Chevy Chase, and that's it. Bill Murray. Or Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy before.
    169:31
    Back in the day. Back in the day, Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so. 48 hours. Yeah. I was going to tell you guys. If Chad can hear me, can Chad hear me right now, baby? Yeah, they should be able to hear you. All right, Chad. I need your help. We've got enough people in this chat right now. I need you guys to go. There's a heart somewhere on that screen. We are so close to 1,000 followers here on Twitch for flipping out pinball. It doesn't cost anything. This isn't a sub. This is just a follow. It's free. Hit that heart button and get us closer to 1,000. I would appreciate that. Appreciate it.
    170:10
    Doodur13. See? Back to stock with a follow. PokerSchool27 with a foul Greater Fraction with a foul Not a foul, a follow You want to help the boys out there being billed but just following We appreciate it guys Oh yeah, then you get notified when we come on too, right? Yeah, the follow I wanted to personally thank Dwight for hanging out at Studio B tonight Thank you so much, Dwight Thanks, Dwight Hey, it was my pleasure Dwight, awesome having you man it's always the best having Dwight it is are we going to next week or the following or something maybe we do another pinball show segment what do you want to do kind of what you were talking about what were you talking about before yeah call me we'll talk you booked it with somebody else I have not. I have not. I would only do that with you. And he's not holding out for a minute. No, no, no. He's talking about an idea that I had, like a half-baked, partially stupid idea. And I called him up and I said, hey, I got this idea. And then we never followed up. So let's talk about it whenever you want to. It's a phenomenal idea. It'll take some planning. People will love it. It'll take some planning.
    171:40
    Yeah. I'm your man. All right, whatever you want. You get it, Gavin. All right, Chad. Here's my paid endorsement in the advertisement. Hashtag chill mini.
    171:50
    We've got brand new, beautiful, in the box. I promise they're beautiful. Stern pinball machines right now. I still have one more Elvira left. I don't know how in the world it's still here. Those things have been scoured across the planet, and we can't keep them in stock, but we have one more Elvira. Jump in on that, as well as shooter rods. for Stranger Things that interact with beautiful colored lit ones, and Elvira. I mean, web, come on. How nice is that Elvira shooter, Rod? Listen, I'll have to get some pictures and post it online, dude, now that it's in the basement. But, yeah, you know, that was a... I loaded that game up, dude, before I started playing it with a bunch of stuff, and that shooter rod really completes it, man. It really does. It is sick. We also have a lot of Jurassic Park on order. Cold pre-order, one of those. Those are hard to keep in stock right now. Deadpools are getting ready to come out in the next month or so. Pro and premiums, those have been really tough to keep in stock. So pre-ordering is probably the way to go. That way we've got it ready for you when it jumps off that line. It's still going to be fresh and hot. You can feel it. It's going to be nice and hot. It'll probably get to your house like literally two days after it gets off the line. So call flipping out pinball for that. I'm trying to think. Turtles? Of course turtles. Jeez. Turtles are the runaway hitters. not only 2000 to 20, but the 2000s. Man, what a hell of a game, Dwight. Thanks, thanks. It's doing really, really well for us.
    173:19
    Yeah, it's doing really well for myself, and it's doing really well for locations, even in the current circumstances. It's doing really good on locations, and people love this game in their basements too. That is awesome. I know Bill and I are loving it as well, so we're sad this one's got to go. I know you were like, Yeah, I want to bring up the LE. I'm not bringing my damn LE up here. Oh, we're getting another LE. Listen, we're going to take care of it. We're going to come to you. And if we sell it, it'll be at a much higher price. Unlike Siggy Sauer. Dude, I want the ball! I joke you not. This is like an impromptu pinball market training segment. But the LEs on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I don't know if you've seen this. On the secondary market, these things are selling for more than MSRP.
    174:05
    I kid you not. I did not know that. Very cool. Congrats, Mike. It's a symbol of training out. Yeah, hey. I do.
    174:16
    I'm behind, though. I'm like two weeks behind on podcasting. Thanks. I'll send you your monthly deposit. Are you guys ready to give away a set of zombie Yeti hand-drawn beautiful side art for teenage people? Oh, they're killer. They're absolutely killer.
    174:35
    I'm ready. Wow. Wish I'd got a... I've already got some on my LED. I want these too. I don't know how to do it. So they had some pictures for this little giveaway here. Wish I'd do it. Here's what we're going to do. Can everybody hear me? We can hear.
    174:51
    Jack can hear. Now this is a set of hard plays, y'all. So I'm going to make you work a little bit. So if you all need... I'm going to give you guys ten seconds. Might even get a little writing you take them. Just maybe. There's people rushing around right now. They're like, I want to see you, Art Blades.
    175:08
    Get your notepad out on your phone. This is a four-parter. That's right. A four-parter. You have to submit four parts of this answer to win this free-throw stern pinball. Art Blades for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Here is how it's going to work. Four seconds. Each answer has to have all four parts in it to win. The first person that's able to do it will win this. As a reminder, free shipping within the continental United States. If it is outside of the U.S., I'll be happy to ship these to you if you cover the shipping.
    175:48
    And hell, you know what? If it's in Canada, I love my Canadian buddies. Hell, it's free if it goes to Canada. I don't care.
    175:55
    All right. So here's how we're going to do it. The first part of your answer has to be bye-bye-bye. You've got to type it out. First part. Second part of your answer has to be your favorite Dwight Sullivan code. You have to put that game in there, your favorite Dwight Sullivan code. So, part one, bye-bye-bye. Part two, Dwight Sullivan code. Part three. T and Z is going to be the type.
    176:21
    Part three and four, I'm going to say fast because I'm going to see how you guys can get this. You ready? Part one, bye-bye-bye. Part two, your favorite Dwight Coates. Part three, I want to know, at least on the LE, I want to know, do you want a turtle that drives the physical turtle van in the game, the ball-walking van, and also slides that hang glider on the backboard art? Ooh.
    176:47
    Driving the physical turtle van in the game and the backboard art of the hang glider. There's one turtle that does it both. And number four, the name of the song that I sung on the podcast today by heart for Dennis Creasel. Go! Got to go! All four in the same...
    177:06
    Part number one is Bye Bye Bye. Part number two is Your Favorite Dwight Sullivan Code. Part three is The One Turtle That Drives the Physical Turtle Van and Flies the Hang Glider on the Backboard Arc. And part four is the name of the song I sung by heart on the podcast. Let's see what we got here. All right. I'm not seeing it. Hey, I see you guys. You guys thought you were in here. No, I'm not seeing it.
    177:32
    Nope. We were singing it earlier on the stream, so. I'm not seeing it. Dwight, do you know the tricky part of this one? Because I'm not seeing the answer. I, this song?
    177:48
    I thought they got it once. Who do you think got it? Durr 13L Let's go up here No, that was the song that he sung on stream And we were singing Oh, I see, alright Oh His hunger said I was out the moment I'm scrolling through these Keeps them in me Hey, these are beautiful art blades You know, you gotta put some work in to get some free stuff, right? I like it, I like the effort people are putting in here Hey, you've got to do some work. All right. Hold up. I think we may have a winner.
    178:32
    So. Yeah. I think we've got a winner. I think the winner, you guys have to check. Dwight, you have to check this out. I think the winner is just another pinball stream. He did part one, bye-bye-bye. Part two, his favorite Dwight Cota's TMNT. Part three is Donatello. is Don's alone by heart. Yep. So you're talking about the flyer on the back panel, not the flyer on the LE.
    179:01
    I'm talking about, let's see here, I've got the LE right in front of me. On the physical van, Donatello is driving. On the artwork on the back board, he is also flying the hang glider, Donatello. Correct.
    179:16
    All right. Nicely done. Just another pinball. Woo! Congrats! Congrats, guys. Everybody thought Raphael, but Raphael was on the physical hang glider. I was looking at that, too. Why is that, Dwight? Why is Donatello flying the thing on the backboard, or ain't he driving the baby? Well, Donatello built the glider.
    179:39
    Oh, he is a tech guy. Yeah. I mean, if Dennis Creasle was a Ninja Turtle, he'd definitely be Donatello.
    179:47
    All right, guys. I'm going to leave you guys alone. Just another pinball stream. You know what's cool about just another pinball? He has a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on order from Flippin' Out Pinball, so these are going to go great on his pros. Oh, that's awesome.
    180:03
    Nice. In the meantime, look, here's what happened. Full transparency here. Just another pinball stream was supposed to have one of these next pros, but there's another smaller run, and he was just on the outside of that. He's got to wait until August run. But here at Flippin' Out Pinball, we don't leave anybody stranded. Actually, we do. We can't keep doing that. But we are giving Just Another Pinball stream the ability to have for free one month a Stranger Things pro for him to stream in the meantime until we can get him that damn Turtles pro. Oh, man. How cool is that? That's pretty cool. That's freaking awesome. Congratulations, Just Another Stream. We try to do everything we can. And that's why I appreciate you all supporting. Thank you, Chet, for hanging out with us tonight. Bill and Beatty, you guys are the best damn hosts in pinball streaming. Thanks again. And Dwight. I can be your hero, sonny. Woo!
    181:00
    Please stop. Oh, I love it. Oh, that's Dennis. Please stop. Just please stop. Oh, that was cool. Hey, congrats again. It's just another pinball stream. Woo! You put the work in, you got to get it. How cool is that, too?
    181:19
    Little delay. Not even a delay. You missed your shipment just a little bit, and Zach from Flippin' Out offers you a month for free to flip another game until you're waiting for your TMNT. That's awesome. That's commendable. I love it. He was only offered an El Toro for that, too.
    181:37
    I mean, that's not only a distributor. That's a friend. You know? No, that's a good call. I would have driven it all the way to you there. Yeah. It doesn't sound like we're going to get the L.E. though, guys. Maybe. We'll see. No, but he didn't flinch when I said we're all coming to you. Oh, yeah. No, I don't know. Road trip. We could road trip. Road trip. Let's bring the boat and we, you know, we play the boat on the boat. He's got the, actually he's got an above ground pool that Dennis likes to comment on. All right. Could the boat fit in the pool? The Escalera can get it into the pool. Bring the boat. Good times Alright guys So one other thing That I was hoping to do tonight On stream is So Dwight I don't know If you knew this or not But this particular Turtles machine Has already been sold Awesome So we're not going to be able To have it for too much longer We've got another couple weeks Left with it But the owner Was hoping to have you Sign this machine So As long as you're good with that We can sign the back glass And we'll do that off the air But Very cool Probably back glass You know Alright Yeah, I always like doing the backlash just because in case... I can sign, like, under a ramp so then you can't, you know, see it.
    182:46
    Right. I mean, they were hoping you would sign it. I can do whatever they want. All right. Yeah, we'll sign the backlash just in case he ever gets rid of it and wants to keep the Translight. You know, it's a beautiful thing. Very cool. All right. So, all right, guys. Congrats to the new Turtle Gunner. We've got to take it apart. We've got to take it... We don't want to take the backlash apart. Why not? I'll take the game apart. Okay.
    183:06
    We'll do this after the stream. Yeah, we're not going to do it. We're not going to do it. You know, this way the owner gets to know that it was Dwight and not Steve or myself getting, you know, using our fine arts degree. Yeah, right.
    183:19
    Not that I think anyone would think that. Do you make any money from forging my name? I want some. No problem. I'll put that work in. You know. 20%. Because I'm not worth any money. Oh, come on. That's not. Listen, I got Terminator 2 play field signed by you. I got two getaway play fields. One signed by you. No, no, no. Oh, I meant, yeah, I meant if you forward my name like on a check or something. Oh. It's going to bounce. Yeah. There's nothing there. But if your house is like my house, your wife's got all the money. That's true. That's how my house works. Yep. Yeah. You know, she's like, these pinball machines keep showing up and I don't know how. You know, whatever. It's fine. You know. So. All right. Are we about done for the night? Yeah, I think so. Anybody in chat got any last questions before we sign off for the night? Any last questions? Any last comments? We appreciate you all for sticking around. Wait, here's a question. Is Monster's Code what it is, or is there an update coming down the road? There currently is no update coming down the road, but I really can't talk about the future. You never know what might happen. Sure. I'm going to quote one of your old answers. Consider it done. Yeah, you should. Yes. When you buy it, consider it done. Okay. Especially if it's at 1.0 or higher. Yes. Yes, I do like taking the heads off of pinball machines.
    184:38
    Bill Pring-Mantis-Webb. I don't know why I'm Pring-Mantis-Dennis. We're going to have to talk about that one. I like that one.
    184:47
    Oh, okay, taking the heads off. Yeah, okay, I get that one. I like that. Hey, it's easier to move. So you're saying there's a chance.
    184:59
    Nice. Yeah, that's how you do it, man. You always add more room. I added a new room for pins. That's how you do it. Now someone's get me a Star Wars LE. Do I have a Star Wars LE? I do have a Star Wars LE. It's my first Stern pin that I've ever owned and my first Nudebox game. Nice. Is it set up? Yeah. Nice. Set up in my basement and I have a Star Wars banner behind it. Signed by yours truly. Signed by Steve. But no.
    185:31
    You have to sign the banner too. I didn't sign any of it. So you would go to the Star Wars conventions? I had been to one Star Wars convention. You've been to one, okay. The celebration was here in Chicago. Yeah, and that was recent, right? Yeah, a couple. So you had your game out by then. You had the banner. Did you bring the banner? You didn't bring the banner? You didn't sign by then? No.
    185:53
    I think that would have been, actually, that's an opportunity to be like, hey, I coded your game. Yeah, when we went to the Star Wars celebration, Stern had a relatively tiny booth. Yeah. And it was never manned. It was just three games there. People could come and play it whenever they wanted. Cool. Nice. Take a flyer with them. Curious how many games got thrown on those in the course of that convention. That's a good question. I should have gotten some audits. I'm sure it was packed. I say this just because I watched Tilt the Battle of the Safe Pinball again. And I have it on my download so I can watch it whenever. but Star Wars the pin 2k that went to the Star Wars convention it was interesting to hear that story on that documentary how you guys brought Star Wars to the Star Wars convention and no one in the pinball community heard about it at the time right that was this convention too there's thousands of people there and people were interested but it's not like a pinball convention where everybody knew about it Yeah. Oh, look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much do those things cost? Are they like a few hundred bucks? No.
    187:02
    No. It's all memorabilia. Yeah, for a topper. Right, right. But again, at a Star Wars convention, everything costs money. Yeah. Who's that? Tony Scoot! Tony Scoot. Woo! Thank you, Mark. Thanks, everybody.
    187:17
    Zach's trying to get some info here. Dwight, how far along are you on your next pin? it's well underway and I'm very excited about it alright I'm looking forward to that we're not going to ask you any more questions because we don't talk about the future because it doesn't pay if you talk about the future it changes you change your mind or the time table changes or you get busy with something else we're just happy you made it out me too You know, that's about it, man. Looking forward to some burritos this week. Yep. And we'll go from there. Thursday at 7.30. All right. Everybody be there. You know, we're going to get messages, you know, about people in Chicago saying, hey, we want to meet with Dwight and have a burrito too. Oh, all right. Yeah, we'll figure that out. Maybe we'll have to make that. No gap. It's all good. Yeah, no problem. You know, we sit in the parking lot with chairs and tables. Social distancing. Yeah. So bring your table and your chair and come out and have a burrito with us. Absolutely. I like it. All right. Well, hey, thanks again, everybody. Thank you for tuning in. Monday Night Pinball. Myself, Steve Beattie, Bill Webb, and Dwight Sullivan. Thank you so much again for joining us. Thank you all in chat for sticking around. We had a blast tonight. So we will see you all next Monday. All right. Thanks, guys. Have a good one. Take it easy.
    188:50
    Thank you.